Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

[tardy mortar]

but it always seemed like technology (whether it's gears or magic) in Kirby just kinda always goes to shit doesn't it lol

[ripe bane]

Could be the case if they went to Halcandra, which is implied to have been devastated by wars that involved the Master Crown.

[vagrant hound]

Because it’s Kumazaki

He’s gonna die unless he makes RTDL and Magolor reference

[tardy mortar]

I can just randomly believe that Neichel just happened to be the one person who's just like "actually I don't wanna follow the destiny set out to myself I wanna fucking make bangers and go wild in space"

and might randomly out of that, be one of those people who's, maybe, still around "now"

now that's a theory that's like

extremely long term and I might not get any kind of proof until 5 mainline games from now lol

unless SCW is showing a new Kirby direction where the lore is quite a bit more direct

and honestly

I really seriously do not rule out freaking Neichel again singing more music in Kirby

even despite that Last Song

[ripe bane]

I doubt that, since Kirby has always been supposed to ve very mysterious.

[tardy mortar]

no

Kirby himself is mysterious

and we will NEVER get answers about Kirby himself

however, everything else, there's no restrictions

Also by direct I don't mean "all answers, no more room for theories"

I just think SCW is oddly very direct

because I just think we got all answers about what actually happened about the Forgotten Land

[twin fog]

I feel like that was true for base FL too

[tardy mortar]

well original FL did not quite explain clearly why the people quit

[vagrant hound]

SCW was very direct and also answered the questions for FL, brutally honest, scary, Kuma, what are you doing

[tardy mortar]

there was something about being cramped

which we interpreted as overpopulation

but now we actually know what that actually means

I don't remember any hints about entire continents sinking into the ocean before SCW

and especially that it was done by M/Elfilis

[twin fog]

I mean it wasn't really a mystery to begin with though until SCW made it into one imo
It's like saying Return to Dream Land didn't explain why the Master Crown was evil until DX explained it had the hatred and obsession of prior rulers or why Landia wasn't corrupted by the crown until DX explained it was b/c Landia is resistant to the corrupting power of the crown

[tardy mortar]

I think that's different

because when it's about objects, we always just assume it's just how it works

[ripe bane]

Both the field art and the lore are always made with some mystery to them that we sometimes get answers to later, though.

[tardy mortar]

but you don't randomly quit an entire world imo

though overpopulation could have sufficed

but the fact of it is that it was still kind of removed outside of the japanese version

so just that felt wrong to kind of ignore

[twin fog]

Yea I just feel like the original story wasn't meant for that to be some 'there's something deeper to this'
It was just 'they got the power to leave and they left this place that was too cramped'
And then SCW was like 'but wait! It wasn't too cramped for why you'd think its too cramped, it was b/c there's literally no other landmasses on this planet b/c they were sunk into the ocean in the ancient past!!'

[tardy mortar]

what is new about SCW though is that they totally diverted the attention to Neichel

and that is completely out of nowhere

they absolutely didn't need to do that

the last thing we could have heard was just Neichel stayed

and that was it

but turns out most of the additional lore puts the attention on her

and honestly, all the people who stayed too

because now we don't know what happened to them lol

but then somehow Neichel is the reason why Elfilis went to the world?

[ripe bane]

It's so funny to me how it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[tardy mortar]

and then she sings a song that suspiciously not only contains Lor sounds but also sings about... what it basically can do and looks like to some extent?

I'd like not to put it towards random references

[vagrant hound]

Lor on their way becoming more important and loved each game

[tardy mortar]

this is kind of the first time even that there's a reference like that that isn't about the freaking crown and all bad ancient item stuff

and especially that doesn't necessarily give additional context to lore we know about

this is just new information

all we had about Lor was that it was made by the ancients, and it lives

and as much as the New World spaceship suspiciously looks like it

[arctic gale]

Its very cool that it seems like they're actually trying to like tie things together in a satisfying way

[tardy mortar]

there's not really much we can do with that information yet

this is just additional lore and we can do nothing with it

[vagrant hound]

Magolor’s treatment towards Lor in TLBIAD becomes funnier each day

[arctic gale]

Poor poor neichel

[tardy mortar]

there's the theory of Neichel = Lor

Which I don't necessarily entirely rule out

[arctic gale]

Imagine getting your last wish and then some egg starts hurling your body parts at some guy

[tardy mortar]

but there's a chance that she can also just be the first passenger of the Lor Starcutter.

or

through complete paradox

she's both.

lol

[vagrant hound]

I still screw with Wondari dogs being the first passenger theory because it’s so sad I need it to be not real but also real at same time

[tardy mortar]

well they could just be only in New World spaceships

[vagrant hound]

In next game, we will find Neichel’s corpse

[tardy mortar]

Well there's one thing I don't necessarily rule out HAL to do

they could make more songs, and it's all technically sung by Neichel, but on every game, she'll get a different alias

[oak olive]

i beat game

well, DLC

[tardy mortar]

and probably always an alias related to nature or greenery

[oak olive]

actually i only saw credits i still have to do the arena (evil)

[arctic gale]

New mysterious singer Lehcien

[tardy mortar]

it would be funny however if they use the 35th anniversary concert to infer it more directly

like... a glitchy Neichel name that shows the Neichel name in New World language for a second lel

[arctic gale]

I can totally see that

[tepid burrow]

👀

[tardy mortar]

it's just that it's the kind of funny Kumazaki moment lol

wouldn't that be funny

[oak olive]

the final boss was so bad i hated it.

actually, it was good but what do you mean there's a third neon rat in the game and it has THREE long phases

it took me 7 tries to beat it

[tardy mortar]

heh

[vagrant hound]

Mefilis is probably my favorite rodent of the species

[tardy mortar]

anyway

maybe i'm insane

[vagrant hound]

Aside from him summoning Galactal, screw them. Screw them.

[arctic gale]

🗨️

[oak olive]

oh fr. peak design
if i was an alien rat i would also want a giant eye between my antlers

[tepid burrow]

Besides, what would Lehcien be like?

[vagrant hound]

It makes Fecto AND Chaos Elfilis like a wimp

[tepid burrow]

Cause I’m drawing her

[tardy mortar]

anyway if I'm right with my insane theories... it's entirely possible I'll forget about it when it's time to "confirm" so feel free to quote me once it's time

[vagrant hound]

I need to draw Mefilis but my brainrot went “I’m drawing Magolor as Mefilis” first

[arctic gale]

Your words will be remembered

[tardy mortar]

Melfilor

[vagrant hound]

The art looks hot garbage since I made it in middle of lecture

[oak olive]

melfilis in magolor colors would probably go hard

yellow and white and blue. probably some green as well

[tardy mortar]

anyway if Neichel is Magolor then I want Synth V Magolor and no more UTAU

[arctic gale]

Now that I got some time i should draw genwel....

[vagrant hound]

Neichel is Magolor’s mom theory is something I wanna believe in because it’s so funny

[tepid burrow]

Lehcien would be a Mirror World copy of Neichel

[tepid burrow]

stop

[tardy mortar]

egg mom

with a dapper hat

[vagrant hound]

Coolest mom of the year

[tardy mortar]

look at how stylish she looks

you are not allowed to dislike

[tepid burrow]

The Neichel council will decide your fate if you dislike her

[arctic gale]

Imagine Neichel as one of those fancy french ladies with a poodle from the early 1900s but instead of a poodle she has a pet magolor

[shut pendant]

do you think neichel had a movie/documentary made about her

[tepid burrow]

Yes

[oak olive]

ngl i was excepting them to just show neichel in some form in the credits

[tepid burrow]

I believe everything about Neichel

She’s my life

[oak olive]

when are they going to reveal her

[turbid nexus]

I love how impactful Neichel is as a character despite not showing up in-person outside of the concert

[turbid nexus]

Probably never

[tepid burrow]

During the 35th Anniversary Concert

[arctic gale]

She already revealed in music fest 🙄

Eyeroll looks mean i meant that to be funny but i had no jokes

[turbid nexus]

Don’t worry the emoji is actually looking at Neichel’s current location 👼

[tepid burrow]

R.I.P Neichel, you were my life

[shut pendant]

well now she's your death

[oak olive]

realizing I haven't finished forgor dreams in the file i used to play SCW

☠️

[arctic gale]

Evil neichel

[oak olive]

evil neichel would sing "Welcome to the Old World"

[tepid burrow]

Guys guys

Imagine Neichels Epilogue

[oak olive]

magolor epilogue. but every song is by neichel

[shut pendant]

https://wikirby.com/wiki/WiKirby:April_Fools/2023/Olde_World

[turbid nexus]

Carol looking at Kirby and Bandee bringing Starries back and wasting money on Astronomer Dee’s figures instead of finding her husband

[shut pendant]

i keep thinking of carol deltarune

[oak olive]

Carol fl and Carol deltarune would NOT get along

[shut pendant]

true

[turbid nexus]

Rolls worst crackship ever?????

[shut pendant]

caca

[oak olive]

now i could try and finish forgor dreams but I'm kind of kirbied out

actually i need confirmation

is there a third gacha EX volume?? there's space in the UI for one but idk what they would even add to it

[shut pendant]

yes but it only featured a figure of dale

[oak olive]

uhh
sure lmao

it wasn't a joke question

[shut pendant]

but it was a joke answer

[sand patrol]

the way i see it the sounds are jsut another allusion to these guys being the ancients and the ones who created the lor

thats what i mean by i think its less literal

lor sounds =/= literally is the lor

and i fee like niechel just being the lor undermines the point of the story they made for her

ive heard people say an AI based on her concious is in the lor but I think thats trying to have your cake and eat it too cause nothing really suggests that

[oak olive]

should i beat forgo dreams or catch the last starries

[vagrant hound]

tbf you do need to beat forgo dreams to do uczex, but if you're only missing one starries, might as well as get that last starry first

[tardy mortar]

To be fair I did mention the idea that the Lor sounds might not necessarily be the Lor

maybe it is also the sound of the New World spaceship

which is doing nothing but adding more ways to tie things to the Lor anyway...

I don't necessarily agree that Neichel = AI

not enough evidence for that

[sand patrol]

im just saying in general not that you really subscribe to the theory

[tardy mortar]

Tbh I did offer many more theories at this point with this lol

[sand patrol]

i think the wider kirby playerbase can get lost in the sauce

[tardy mortar]

I think Kirby will get more sung music from now on

and HAL can basically decide it's actually always the same singer

they can just do that

if the next singer also has another nickname reminiscent of nature or greenery

I'd have questions for sure lol

[sand patrol]

depends if they want to keep this as a one time thing

could do non diegetic vocal tracks

[random tendon]

I agree that neichel = lor doesn't make sense imo, I think she was maybe in the spaceship and it relates to the lor

[mossy crane]

its so strange how she chose to stay but then would have this whole song about leaving

they need to remaster return to dreamland again to provide us answers

[mellow lantern]

it'll be in the robobot remaster breifly in the meta knightmare mode

because of the galacta knight laser attack that the lor can be seen in

[sand patrol]

its not that strange

its stated she wasnt the only one

that world is their home they cant really force people to leave it

but she could come to regre ti later

[mossy crane]

well its moreso how she sings with so much passion about leaving in her final song

yeah regrets

i like the idea that the lor's soul is neichel's. like it just showed up on the lor after neichel passed away with seemingly no explanation. her staying in the forgotten land is important but her eventual freedom she desires so much in her song also feels like. yeah let this woman soar across the space she deserves

alternatively, its all very sad lol
stayed, regretted it, sang about taking off to those who left her... and died before finishing the song

the lor having a soul....... and new world tech so far having no mentions of anything soul-related.... really makes me think its some unexplained magic phenomenom and not like. springlock a live woman in a boat or make an AI or smth

[sand patrol]

idk i feel like that kinda undermines the tragic story they want to tell here

i gotta say kinda incredible they did another sad backstory without us ever seeing the character in question

[slate scarab]

i defo think the Lor's AI was just trained on Niechel's personality since some figures mention that the New Worlders blasted her music on every stinkin Space Ship New World. She sings "artificial heart official" to say that the Lor will end up taking on her persona and essentially be her lasting legacy beyond death.

ig she just saw that in her dream and casually decided that was not important enough to mention in Twinkling Star Showers lmfao

[random tendon]

to be fair the whole "artificial heart" is not specifically about her in japanese, same with stuff like white wings

I also don't think the whole lyrics of last song are meant to be taken literally, and it's just a bunch of fun nods to existing kirby stuff

(and キカイ, machine in the japanese lyrics, is mostly related to nova (or rather the whole "mechanical stars" magolor says) and like haltmann works company in general)

[vagrant hound]

Neichel is jealous Magolor has Kirby

[random tendon]

though ig キカイ specifically for magolor may be just because funny katakana speech

but キカイ is always spelt like this for haltmann/robobot stuff from what I've seen

wait nvm guys neichel is metal general EX

it all makes sense...

[vagrant hound]

Her heart is in HR-D3

[slate scarab]

is it not? the line afterwards she questions if thats really what she wants

[coarse arrow]

Niechel...is a murderer ⁉️

[vagrant hound]

Either way Neichel shows up in Merry Magoland /j

https://tenor.com/view/metal-general-kirby-waddle-dee-gif-5935773958496767098

[slate scarab]

even then i think the whole thing about the ships playing her music continuously is a pretty clean throughline for why an ship's AI would be replicating her

[coarse arrow]

The Angry dee 😭

[vagrant hound]

Saw someone theorizing Neichel is Haltmann 😭 😭 😭 😭
I prefer Magolor mom theory

[coarse arrow]

Man's fuming

[vagrant hound]

He’s been waiting for 50 years to ride on Metal General’s back

[random tendon]

it is not

original

[vagrant hound]

Neichel dreams about all the artifacts that people in Halcandra will make and its consequences

[slate scarab]

she sings "is this really my wish" so that does mean it is in reference to herself no?

[random tendon]

well yes

did I misunderstand your question

[slate scarab]

maybe lol

[random tendon]

wdym /gen

[slate scarab]

the point is she's relying on ai to continue her legacy and she's conflicted on that methinks

[random tendon]

well that's one interpretation

[slate scarab]

not that its her choice ig LMFAO

[random tendon]

I just wanted to clarify that it doesn't say any first person pronouns like in english in this line

Artificial heart official, my pulse pounds.

I think you are misunderstanding what I tried to say

[slate scarab]

mayhaps

[shut pendant]

obviously metal general is neichel

[random tendon]

RHV I made this joke minutes ago smh

[shut pendant]

that is the 1 message i did not see

obviously hr-d3 is neichel

obviously dubior is neichel

[slate scarab]

Kumazaki must resurrect Neichel to perform at the Kirby 40th anniversary dream festival so she can sing Last Song

[vagrant hound]

Kuma sings the unfinished track

Instead of Neichel

[slate scarab]

sung purely in Dedede Ra's

[vagrant hound]

Lowkey I wanna hear Ohmoto singing twinkling Star showers and unfinished track

[random tendon]

I just realized I accidentally posted the translation of european spanish 😭 why am I awake

[vagrant hound]

LOL

[random tendon]

force me to sleep

[vagrant hound]

Go to sleep like the ancients

On the ship

[coarse arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[vagrant hound]

Unrelated to Neichel but

KUMA’S STARRY IS SO CUTE

That’s all

[slate scarab]

i lowkey think the ancients just ditched Neichel cause of her prophecy connections i wouldnt put it past them

[vagrant hound]

I mean, we know Neichel just stayed

[slate scarab]

like suuure im sure some people stayed of their own volition despite... the song of oncoming death

[vagrant hound]

She had mixed feelings making music, and being used as propaganda to move away

She ended up staying

[gentle pier]

...i accept it

[slate scarab]

did i miss that was that mentioned somewhere

[vagrant hound]

Twinkling Star showers billboard

[random tendon]

nintendo dream interview

oh

wasn't that from interview

[vagrant hound]

And yeah interview

[random tendon]

ah both

[gentle pier]

so genwel is a neichel stan my drawing is canon

[slate scarab]

oh..... interview lore.....

[vagrant hound]

Billboard > Her staying
Interview > Her feelings

[random tendon]

and before you ask I am translating it but yukkuri read everything

[slate scarab]

i dont think the billboard mentioned her staying but maybe i forgor

ohh oh the figure not the actual board

[random tendon]

yeah

but the feelings part is from the interview

[vagrant hound]

“On the day of departure, people remained on the planet as their destiny and the diva was one of them”

[slate scarab]

see i interpreted that as like a white lie. cause they kinda worded it like "oh someone IS gonna ask why the lady who wrote all the songs isnt coming so here's our answer"

[vagrant hound]

Whatever whatever the billboard was mentioning I’m too lazy finding English version since I only have Japanese

[slate scarab]

but ohhh woe is me interview lore. we will never truly be free

[vagrant hound]

Interview lore except it was kinda mentioned in the blog as well

[shut pendant]

i never thought about how ironic it is that the person who created all the "don't worry about the ai-powered spaceship and leaving the planet behind forever, it'll all be fine" songs stayed behind because she didn't want to rely on ai and leave the planet

[slate scarab]

yeah i thought that one line in Last Song where she mentions lies/good intentions going bad was a hint that maybe she didnt intend on staying behind. Ig she could have still been coerced based on her iffy feelings on the matter

[vagrant hound]

Kuma please just straight up say if you’re talking about Elfilis or Mefilis whenever you talk about the song attracting the meteor

[slate scarab]

i cant really be too mad that an interview gave a reason why she left since the game literally did say she chose to stay LMFAO myyy bad tried to be in the 4th dimension of speculation

[vagrant hound]

この世界に存在した歌姫の切ない本心
Mfw he mentioned this in the blog as well, and not just interview, about Neichel’s true feelings

歌によって引き寄せられた流星にまつわる切ない物語をアクションと共に楽しんでいただければと思います。
Kuma just say Elfilis or Mefilis or both because the wording sounds like both Mefilis AND Elfilis grrrrrrr

[slate scarab]

bofaaalis

Mefilis is the funniest name of all time Treehouse writing room must have been sweating trying to make that one not sound deeply unserious

all localization effort went to coming up with Meteon

unloaded my theorizing power level too early with Neichel secretly being left behind. Gotta keep Meteon being Galacta under wraps.

[gleaming stream]

Yooo Ampether

[slate scarab]

ampeethers return to kirb land thats what they call me

too obsessed with kirby need constant approval for my insanity

[gleaming stream]

Have you played scw yet 👀

[slate scarab]

yup indeed i paid my fair 20 dollars

genwel meteonelfilis at like 4 am was a harrowing experience my brain could not process what was happening

i think the last thing i was ready for was void elfilis galacta knight secret brother final boss

id like to issue a formal apology to Elfilis = Void believers i did not believe them

ig thats what makes Chaos Elfilis "Chaos" and not "Soul"

my predicitions were that big meteor was void (very shocking oh my goood), and that the Starries would be harvested for the Lor and become Doomers... which... i would love to make a theory on but there really isnt much to go off of right now

there was Lor lore so hey not too far off not too shabby. The mast definitely is supposed to be a Starry but i'm not sure if that's meant to implicate how the Space Ship New Worlds were iterated into the Lor as much as id like to say Doomers are the most imporant characters ever created

[twin fog]

Broke: Void is the most important thing that ever happened to Kirby lore
Broke: Dark Matter is the overarching villain of the Kirby series
Woke: The Legend of Meteors is the most important thing that ever happened to Kirby lore and evil meteors are the overarching villain of the Kirby series

[vagrant hound]

Magolor is the most important

[slate scarab]

its true

i wanted Doomer Starries to be the truth so bad. ig its not IMPOSSIBLE but i got nothin aside from the possibility the ancients used Starry adjacent stuff, like the Sparkling Stars, to make some of their stuff

they always shock me with the Sparkling Stars

every time i forget about them they want to make sure I know they're lore relevant somehow

like what do you mean Genwel Meteonelfilis has the Kirby's Dream Land credits song because the Starries made him really fucking big like the Sparkling Stars did for Dedede and Kirby. We have to put down Kumazaki. What on earth

[twin fog]

Dark Matter Blade? Evil meteor. Hyper Zone? Evil Meteor. Dark Rimura/Rimuro/Rimuru? Evil meteors. Magolor? Evil meteor. Access Ark? Evil meteor. Dark heart pieces? Evil meteors. Fecto Elfilis? Evil meteor. Evil Meteor? Evil meteor. Gryll? Evil meteor (She came from space trust)

[slate scarab]

evil meteor lore

[vagrant hound]

Poor confused and lost Gryll

[slate scarab]

i did think Neichel would get some cuhraaazy lore but jesus christ

shes a prophet. sure okay

its funny i did think the meteor was some void junk but i didnt think theyd reference like every Void Termina pause screen they really wanted us to know

Galacta Knights involvement in this DLC is a whole other can of worms

everyone was like HE'S LOCKED IN LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF while i sat with my nose upturned and said "no, i lived through Magolor Epilogue, its all coincidences. No dice"

then they dropped Galactal and I said "neeevermind HE'S HEEERE"

and instead, he's not there. But is referenced so many times especially when it comes to Meteonelfilis. what is happening what are you doing.

[green crater]

They wanted to give people headaches

[slate scarab]

im sure these two characters are connected sooomehow but im not too super duper confident

ts is bonkers. my headache cannot be soothed

rn im thinking that Meteonelfilis literally just is Galacta Knight, and that Meteon will be reborn due to the positive influence of the Starries and just become Mr. Time Travel hero. Which is truly insane. But i do think its got some weight since Elfilin references the possibility of Meteon becoming a good guy with the Starries' help.

either that or Meteon will just plort out Galacta and he just goes on his own funny time travel adventure.

is this "Galacta Knight is Kirby from the Future" but with a different guy... yes.... but the evidence is REAL AND TRUE its not insane i promise

[ocean ingot]

ooh fuel for my random fangame idea where characters fight evil versions of themselves canonically (specficially for elfilin and magolor >:D)

oops didn't mean to ping

[vagrant hound]

Look how stupid he is <333

He looks like me during eye testing exams

Me too buddy me too

[sterile quartz]

Or that the noises are in the song in universe and neichel sampled them out of a sign of desire

[sterile quartz]

I mean a lot of that is general halcandran shit

[ripe bane]

I think this is very likely why the theme of machines not being able to fulfill a wish showed up again.

[fringe mist]

NEICHEL being the Lor, I don't buy personally

[fringe mist]

I deadass already had the crackpot theory in my head that NEICHEL left her last song unfinished and played it one last time before attempting to leave, and perished doing so

Why are there so many New World prototypes left behind in the Star-Crossed World?

Aside from disrepair and neglect over time... There is a curious question as to why so many units were still there in the world

[ripe bane]

Maybe they only used the final versions and left the prototypes behind?

[fringe mist]

The final version is implied to be the Lor Starcutter itself, no?

The prototypes are essentially just the cockpit instead of being the full starship

[sand patrol]

i mean

if you are transporting an entire planets population offworld you better come prepared

[fringe mist]

That is indeed true, but there are so many spares left behind

Though maybe that's from the sheer amount of testing they needed to do?

[high widget]

if ther ewasnt any spares left we wouldnt get any information let the fiction be slightly unrealistic and unideal

[night zealot]

Are there any tech/ exploits like fire and ice for the other abilities?

[shut pendant]

[ripe bane]

Realizing that Neichel caused a butterfly effect that caused half of the events in Kirby lore is funny.

[shut pendant]

ultra super deluxe woke: kirby is the most important kirby character cause he's the reason every single game exists

[high widget]

btw

"Song of Starfall Children" is so Sun and Moon coded imo tbh

[oak olive]

my boy he is fishing

i caught my last starry, now i just need to beat the rest of the main game, but I don't really feel like it

[somber temple]

been watching Ironmouse play Bloodborne and it feels like I'm watching Kaizo Kirby and the Forgotten Land bosses

I know people have compared bosses like Fecto Elfilis to fucking Elden Ring (even I say the same too), but this is on a whole new level

Bloodborne DLC final boss spoilers but ||Orphan of Kos makes even fucking Lord of Chaos (ZEX) Chaos Elfilis more tame in comparison||

[vagrant hound]

I was gambling which figure I’ll get 9 of from both EX volume 1 and 2, and told myself “I hope it’s not Galactal” and this happened

it was galactal

[gleaming stream]

Yay Galactal

[fading tartan]

the cap is. 9 instead of. 3 .? now?

well i guess that makes sense, there are less figurines now

[lean grove]

its always been 9

both in the base game and for collectibles across the series

[fading tartan]

OH BWUH

geez

[tepid burrow]

Which copy ability should I try ZEX with?

[fringe mist]

Cutter

Be the Ultraseven

[tepid burrow]

Which Evolution tho?

[fringe mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ultraseven-ultraseven-x-eye-slugger-kaiju-gif-6078623484322476065

[fringe mist]

OG Cutter

[tepid burrow]

K

[gleaming stream]

Saturation

[ripe bane]

Why is the background in a very different frame and why is the ground's lighting different too?

[vagrant hound]

Mefilis in UCZEX is mid because bro didn’t exploded or had more special animation like Mistilteinn’s death in TA RTDLDX smh

[tepid burrow]

Holy shit

sorry for the bad recording

[fringe mist]

Woo! Close call, eh?

[arctic gale]

(Guy sits down and listens to scw soundtrack for the first time) Crystal Beast Pack Volcano Battle is legitimately making me bawl Might be in top 10 favorite kirby tracks, its causing me psychic damage in the most positive sense ever

[tepid burrow]

ITS ELFILIS’S CRAZY BEOTTHER

HOW DO YOU EVEN AVOID THE FUCKING DARK NEBULA AHH LASER ATTACK?!

I GET HIT EVERYTIME

[high widget]

jump

[tepid burrow]

Big Boy

[shut pendant]

oh way it's just outright confirmed that neichel's singing caused fecto elfilis to target the new world in japanese LMAO

it's a lot more vague in english with elfilin saying "a while ago" instead of "in the distant past", and just completely removing the part of elfilis specifically targeting the planet because of it lol

[tepid burrow]

Help me

[shut pendant]

you have a full health bar left you'll be fine

unless you get hit like 20 times

so... don't do that

[urban yoke]

Regular cutter...

[shut pendant]

• star

[tepid burrow]

ITS MR BRIGHT

[urban yoke]

MR SHINE

[urban yoke]

Didn't see that, my bad
Still regular cutter tho.. which is neat

[tepid burrow]

GOT HIM!

BEAT ZEX WITH OG CUTTER

And I could’ve died too I was one hit away from death

[slate scarab]

Peak gaming

I'm ngl while I usually do think there are some blatant things that are pretty safe to say are true.... I'm a little miffed that the "Starrie sealed Galacta" thing is so widespread cause I feel like with our current information there's quite a few issues

[high widget]

i mean it is the exact title used for Galacta

in japanese

[random shoal]

yeah

[slate scarab]

I mean maybe it will turn out to be true later but the fact the Starries don't even make pink crystals (Meteon does however), seal things with their bodies not just by creating crystals, and the starries you save to get the figure being obviously preoccupied with Meteon makes it pretty iffy

[lean grove]

also i'd say giving them time travel abilities in the flavor
but not having any indication during the actual story
is kinda making it blatant nudges

there's very few characters associated with time travel like that

[random shoal]

meteon makes crystals at all because he absorbed starries

[lean grove]

and in GK's case its typically characterized as out of his control

[random shoal]

its not his natural power

[slate scarab]

Me personally I think it's a double meaning. Referring to Meteon using a vague enough title to associate with Galacta as well since there's other Meteon related things that reference him

[random shoal]

"strongest warrior" is not really a vague term

[slate scarab]

Like the pink crystals are Meteon using the Starry power, not the crystals the actual starries make

[random shoal]

anytime its used in kirby's context its always to refer to either galacta or meta knight

[slate scarab]

They say strongest enemy not strongest warrior

[random shoal]

whatever, my point stands

[lean grove]

like i think his flavor in SA was literally wanting to break the cycle he was stuck in

which indicates the time travel part of the way he was sealed

[random shoal]

meteon is not even the strongest enemy in this game specifically

[high widget]

Meteonelfilis has no actual ties with being the strongest enemy either

[random shoal]

yeah lol

[slate scarab]

I mean a lot of other starry descriptions mention the sealing of Meteon it'd be strange for another to be referencing a different guy Meteon also references methinks

[high widget]

you can say "GK isnt actually confirmed" but you can't justify that with [other theory that doesn't have much evidence either]

[lean grove]

personally i'm still just hung up over the whole time travel thing

[high widget]

i dont think the Starries description is like

[lean grove]

like there was no need to mention it

[high widget]

"Oh they sealed a meteor" <- very clear that its an evil meteor

"Oh they also sealed a strongest enemy" <- very clearly not a meteor

[lean grove]

so the fact they felt the need tells me they wanted to hint towards something

[random shoal]

personally i think this is precisely why it means they are referencing something else. why would be the big figure that you get only if you 100%ed everything just recount the same information you basically knew since the start of this side-story.

like no shit we knew they sealed away genwel. thats the whole premise of this

[slate scarab]

See that's why I think it's a double meaning

It's using a title that's been used for Galacta but vague enough to be for another guy to create an association between Galacta and Meteon

[random shoal]

i mean what else could it really mean. the big mystery was how galacta knight was sealed in the first place. we learn of entities whose job is to literally do this, seal away powerful beings who are a bit insane

[high widget]

thats just making another theory to like

[slate scarab]

Like keep in mind Strongest Enemy is for galacta knight before you even know who he is

[high widget]

whats the original point

[random shoal]

and your argue what

like what does this connection create

what does it accomplish

[slate scarab]

I mean if you want MY two cents

I think Meteon either will create Galacta with the starries help or just straight up will become him

Also... with the starries help

[random shoal]

ehhhh idk

not a bad theory as a whole but im not sure if this is the direction

i dont think genwel has THAT many connections with galacta if im being honest

and i know time travel fuckery been a huge part of GK's identity, but im pretty sure FL takes place in kirby's version of the present

[high widget]

my theory is just GK is a weapon and has no real purpose other than to battle or destroy

that's why its the strongest warrior not just because pwoer is too great but it can only be stopped by being fought

[slate scarab]

Motif, enemy sharing the name, and pink crystals of doom are pretty strong methinks

[high widget]

its also why he was sealed but easily unsealed

[slate scarab]

The motif is the crazy one

[high widget]

he's a tool, a thing, he's supposed to break out of the crystal and get resealed right after

[random shoal]

pink crystal is like the biggest connective tissue and like i said, i don't think it comes from genwel but from starries anyway

also people debated if his theme even has a gk motif

i never noticed it myself when i listened to it

[high widget]

i think it definitely is

it plays twice and while the first one resembles Overlord, the 2nd instance is like

undeniably GK

[random shoal]

fair enough

[slate scarab]

But ultimately the main reason I think this is cause Elfilin alludes to the possibility to Meteon becoming a good guy if his heart connects with the starries

[random shoal]

i mean yeah but galacta knight is not a good guy

[high widget]

If only he was kind enough

[slate scarab]

Idk if he's EVIL persay

[random shoal]

and like i said, time travel fuckery is part of GK's identity sure, but im not sure how would he end up in the past, got known as Aeon Hero and then got sealed away again

like this just feels like overly complicated for no reason

[slate scarab]

The people who labeled him as a threat are the ancients who are definitely more evil and needed a beat down LOL

[random shoal]

much simpler explanation to me would just be starries sealing him away a long time ago

[slate scarab]

If only he were just kind enough...

[high widget]

it originally said "If we were" because its ralsei's line but it got revealed the english is a mistranslation and i think this is funnier

[random shoal]

(also personally i feel like itd be a cop-out that a kirby-like puffball character was just some guy who didn't look like it initially)

[slate scarab]

Narratively how I think it could work is that Meteon might just want to do some good for the world when he becomes Galacta. And while he IS a hero, people like the ancients who threaten the cosmos need to be taken down at any cost

Like these mfs made the Master Crown out of something Galacta helped seal away (likely)

[random shoal]

my main issue is time travel fuckery

again

galacta knight needs to co-exist with the ancients

what would be the purpose of him being sent to the past when he turns good

[high widget]

we dont know anything about Meteonelfilis other than bitch is petty and world domination is the goal or something

[random shoal]

i think these connections between gk and meteon exist primarily to reinforce the parallel that starries sealed both of them off

i think you can argue that GK somehow managed to absorb their power and this is why his crystal is pink and he is not changing and remains stagnant

[high widget]

btw the fact that this is canon is so fuckass

[slate scarab]

That's a gray area cause we don't know shit sbout galacta cause kumazaki hates him

[high widget]

correction

Kumazaki says nothing about GK because GK, Kirby, and Void are the "kumazaki says nothing" zone

[slate scarab]

Truly cruel

[toxic delta]

Kuma definitely doesn't hate him with how often he gets referenced or straight-up appears
plus you know, debuting in game he directed

[slate scarab]

Not that there's really much more needed for Kirby than what star allies offered

[random shoal]

if you wanna see a guy kumazaki hates, its taranza

[high widget]

honestly its interesting with who he chooses not to answer questions of

my man clearly has headcanons but he can't say them

[random shoal]

i mean, with GK i think its moreso no one asks him questions other than fans themselves

was gk ever brought up in any of the interviews? dont think so

[high widget]

that doesnt feel right

[random shoal]

it doesnt but its true

[slate scarab]

I'm sure someday will get Kirby Star Knights and I'll finally be freed

[high widget]

is it

[high widget]

what even was that leak waffling about again

[toxic delta]

nothing direct (like originally in the question) I think? either way not often

[random shoal]

well maybe it isnt but from interviews that gigi translated and we have access to, galacta knight wasnt mentioned

[gleaming stream]

Oh god Kirby Star Knights

[high widget]

sure because like the game doesn't have GK

[gleaming stream]

I remember that obviously fake title screen

[slate scarab]

Good times

[random shoal]

star allies had gk

did him little good though

[gleaming stream]

Damn

[high widget]

Morpho Knight is honestly like really interesting because I genuinely don't know what his deal is

[random shoal]

the point is that he is never relevant enough for his questions to be answered

he is not even like morpho knight who is "canon" now and clearly has some kind of ongoing agenda

[high widget]

because the Novel implies all it needs is a Knight, not really Galacta which like okay. thats the novels. not canon

but its still like

How the fuck did Elfilis escape

and turn into Chaos Elfilis

but not GK?

like.

What is going on here

[slate scarab]

The horrors of having to fight against "Morpho killed Galacta permanently" when bro appears it the immediate next game and died in his first ever game

[toxic delta]

okay no, SA artbook interview lol
but Gigi hasn't posted her translation of this one yet I think

[random shoal]

SOLO GALACTA KNIGHT MENTION

im so prepared for this to have nothing interesting or relevant

[high widget]

we dont know anything about Morpho Knight other than its got ties with the afterlife and that in of itself is like

What the fuck is afterlife in Kirbly

[random shoal]

yomi

[gleaming stream]

“Who’s this loser.”

[high widget]

Magolor literally died but instead of going to the afterlife he just lands into another dimension . again

[ripe bane]

Wasn't the Super Kirby Clash one a version of him from the time when he was a hero and, therefore, before that red butterfly killed him?

[random shoal]

he never died

like

[high widget]

you know what i mean

[random shoal]

the whole point is that magolor Did Not Die

kumazaki stressed that

[high widget]

Elfilis 'dies' and boom he's actually in his psychic dimension zone

[slate scarab]

I still tinfoil hat that they changed the AD levels in rtdx from being monochrome cause Yomi in the Morpho novel is stated to be colorless

[high widget]

like what actually is the afterlife

in Kirby

what is "Yomi"

we dont fucking know

[random shoal]

this was never intended to be yomi i dont think

like kumazaki literally stressed in the interviews that he changed how energy spheres unlockables in rtdl worked so players wouldnt think magolor died

[ripe bane]

It literally appears in one of the novels though.

[random shoal]

people still thought that magolor died

so good job on that kuma

[slate scarab]

That was so funny

[high widget]

we dont know if the novels will work as is until it happens

[toxic delta]

I mean there's also 極楽 (Sukhavati) at least
unknown if 冥界 is separate too

[high widget]

exactly like the whole idea is the afterlife

and like genuinely what the fuck does that mean

the only other beings that could potentially relate to the afterlife are the soul bosses and some of them aren't even undead 😭

[slate scarab]

Yeah I think it's funny they might have changed the coloration to not have it associated with the novel depiction LMAO

Well maybe

Sounds a little crazy

[high widget]

like kumazaki what the fuck is Morpho Knight

[slate scarab]

But everything else about Morpho from the novel is still true

So.. I mean maybe it's also true for the depiction of the after life who knows

[high widget]

no yeah like my theory GK is a weapon also hinges on that novel saying Morpho Knight doesnt have emotions because I could construe that as being a GK thing especially since GK has only ever shown the motivation to destroy or fight

But like. still a theory and also. genuinely dont know what Yomi is

[shut pendant]

why are there only like 8 star-crossed world gifs on tenor
we need to fix this

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-bandana-waddle-dee-bandee-star-crossed-world-forgotten-land-gif-12175945883412945617

[high widget]

add some

[tepid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-bandana-dee-star-crossed-world-switch-2-bandana-waddle-dee-gif-11625975310295377661

[shut pendant]

ANYWAY I FINISHED MY PROPER STAR-CROSSED WORLD BACKSTORY SUMMARY IN MY KIRBY LORE SUMMARY DOCUMENT WAHOO https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sec9cj5xtaJLkDdp6eRwVNDs7OBTy4uTxq60Ts-0TfI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.m5lfouqozfmw

[toxic delta]

add million Meteonelfilis gifs

[shut pendant]

there's like 35 image sources now lol

i had to split all the forgotten land + star-crossed world stuff into 4 sections because there's just so much

but i genuinely LOVE how detailed all the information is

like i did not expect a direct confirmation that neichel's singing caused elfilis to target the planet lol

[high widget]

rhv

i cant tell but

did you send a version of this editable.

[slate scarab]

I long await the day the Knights get some tangible personality

[high widget]

oh its suggest-mode

[shut pendant]

oh yeah don't let the powerscalers see this

[slate scarab]

Suggest voidby

[shut pendant]

yeah

[slate scarab]

They can't leave me hanging why do we got two freaks who fight like one of the main characters

[shut pendant]

oh right i should note the lor starcutter - spaceship new world similarities

[slate scarab]

My FAVORITR main character

[high widget]

I mean Meta Knight's handsome and secretly a sweet tooth

and swears????????

[slate scarab]

I love meta knight

[high widget]

i would assume DMK is just

an even more extreme version of that

[slate scarab]

I always forget him

[random tendon]

funnily enough DMK doesn't talk in the novels either lol

[high widget]

DMK is if MK if vivziepop wrote him or wahtever the joke is

[random tendon]

but neither does shadow kirby

[gleaming stream]

He’s shy

[random tendon]

but... shadow vul talks so?????

idk what is up

[gleaming stream]

They’re both shy

[slate scarab]

No mind to think. No voice to cry suffering

[random tendon]

shadow kirby laughs at least

[high widget]

no yeah GK is definitely Hollow Knight

this is why he's the strongest warrior.

he's a truly Hollow Knight

do you get me.

[slate scarab]

Is he also a fake idgafer

[high widget]

this is why i have this theory

[random shoal]

Mie L sadly

[random tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[shut pendant]

the

(ignore the figure image being mirrored lol)

[high widget]

If the Starries can imbue Elfilis with an Elfilin and Elfilin implies the same can happen for Melfilis then like

if Starries truly DID seal GK

[random shoal]

That's not canon to be clear

[high widget]

GK kinda stone cold

[slate scarab]

Must be a coincidence ...

[random shoal]

This whole thing about MK needing to stay clean during the match is english script invention

[shut pendant]

i can't get over this fucking thumbnail

1 star galacta knight 😭

[random tendon]

WHAT

[high widget]

yeah that means DMK actually swears. thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[random tendon]

😭

[gleaming stream]

It’s some kind of Amazing Mirror in a Forgotten Land. If only we had Kirby Star Allies.

[slate scarab]

And the English script is the best one

[random shoal]

I don't think it's in character for MK to swear anyway

[random tendon]

is that the smash bros pose

[random shoal]

If anyone swears out of the main cast it's Dedede

[random tendon]

for MK

[random shoal]

Yeah

[slate scarab]

That guy has multiple thumbnails of GK in scw LMFAO

[gleaming stream]

They’re both swearing

[high widget]

Yeah they swore...

with each other...

[random shoal]

MK is a chivalrous cultured knight

[slate scarab]

Stolen fan render probably

[random shoal]

He doesn't swear

[shut pendant]

oh my god it is lmao

[random tendon]

now DMK def swears

[random shoal]

Absolutely

[high widget]

no MK swears. he swears...

partners

Anyway

grabbing kumazaki by the collar

WHAT TEH FUCK IS MORPHO KNIGHT????????

[random tendon]

"I will leave a little room for imagination :)"

[high widget]

Lord of Chaos, Chaos Elfilis is right like dude has like what

Starries (Crystals)

[slate scarab]

Bubberfly demon

[high widget]

a bunch of animals

a bit of Morpho Knight or like. was transformed by Morpho Knight

the fact that like

Chaos Elfilis even in base game, got chagned by Morpho because he was eaten by it

is like.

Okay. What teh fuck happens when you get eaten then.

[shut pendant]

okay NOW i'm done adding star-crossed world backstory

[high widget]

what the shit is this butterfly mannnnnnnnn

[gleaming stream]

Only Kumazaki knows atp

[high widget]

its clearly a catalyst

[high widget]

its clearly something related to dreams because its fucking EATING THEM

like

What the shit is this stupid ass bnutterfly 😭

[slate scarab]

I think Elfilis wasn't fully digested. Cause in Kirby Star Allies Morpho EX basically exists cause Galacta was in Morpho longer

[high widget]

yeah but that digestion process sounds insane considering Elfilis left with MORE power, even more power than what he needed from the stupid lion he split the soul of into

forgot how many collectibles

[tepid burrow]

It’s the dreaded Kumazaki

[random shoal]

Kumazaki has us under his thumb

It's his world and we are living in it

[high widget]

250 FUCKING PIECES

[slate scarab]

Elfilis is parasitic so it makes sense it gobbled up some yummy morpho energy when it left

[shut pendant]

i will probably start adding planet robobot's plot to the kirby lore document soon

maybe

[high widget]

like it wasn't even a full proof plan i feel like Soul Forgo was not just waiting for Leon to like succumb but also i feel like it wouldn't be as whole as grabbing Elfilin is

AND THEN HE GETS EATEN BY MORPHO

AND BECOMES COMPLETE

like this is some like adventure time "its turning us into our original essence" golb digestion type of shit

[slate scarab]

Soul Forgo read to me like "i gotta do SOMETHING" out of desperation

[shut pendant]

i vaguely remember seeing an image of this with fecto elfilis eating elfilin, the beast pack, and morpho knight a while ago

[high widget]

can you add starries next time

[slate scarab]

Meteon gobbles the starries to become matured so it seems like if they eat strong enough creatures they can mature without aging/needing their full power

[arctic gale]

family dinner between the filises

[toxic delta]

him yapping is his darkest trait, clearly

[arctic gale]

should i make my first genwel fanartwork be a redraw of this image

[random tendon]

YES

[shut pendant]

yes

[high widget]

i mean the whole spaer things explain it

[slate scarab]

True lmfao

[high widget]

Elfilis grabbed a bunch of random animals

alongside Elfilin

so he gets an Elfilin spear thats very like

DNA

Fleshy

Melfilis grabs a bunch of Starries and gets a Crystal Spear

and Chaos Elfilis spear is golden and red and shit

so like

What the fucking shit is Morpho Knight man

most enigmatic thing ive ever seen

[slate scarab]

I was just making sure we were all on the same page

[tepid burrow]

DO IT

[slate scarab]

Since having an encylopedic knowledge of all this is scary (I have that)

[shut pendant]

when i'm fighting Parastella Termina in Ultra Super Kirby Clash in 2029 and i hear glimpses of Last Song in its boss music

[high widget]

Actually

is Chaos Eilfils spear still antares

like

i dont actually know

i know Fecto Elfilis's spear is Antares

[lean grove]

probably

[slate scarab]

I think so. Just a different version cause of Morphos added yummies

[shut pendant]

it looks a bit different and their weapons are directly based on the things they absorbed so it's probably at the very least a variation of it

[lean grove]

i assume the guidebook gives them the same name for the attacks so

[high widget]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/8/8e/KatFL_Chaos_Elfilis_4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220826030449&path-prefix=en

[slate scarab]

Like normal Meteon who gets to become big and strong without Starries would still be Ares methinks

[shut pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuooBjbjnA oh hey the looping version of last song from the secret credits sounds a bit different than the regular version

and also the fact that we have a looping version of this is awesome so i can listen to it for 8.6 hours straight

[slate scarab]

So real

[fading tartan]

OH thats official??

[shut pendant]

yeah

[slate scarab]

I do kinda wonder if Meteon being so Voidcore while Elfilis is only Voidcore when their organs are rearranged is cause Meteon wasnt allowed to take form. Since despite him being older he is still naturally a larvae. Sooo perhaps he still has Voidness cause he hasn't gotten the opportunity to settle into his true form

[shut pendant]

if you hold the Y button while selecting the star-crossed world credits (the ones you unlock at the start) it plays last song instead

even before you actually unlock the song i think

[high widget]

idk man

[shut pendant]

yeah

[high widget]

Melfilis and Void relations are so

[toxic delta]

probably, since Antares is still in its move names iirc

[high widget]

idk

at this point I'll only believe something is Void when they call it Void again

and assume that the whole chaos orb thing is a "every thing can achieve it with enough power" sort of thing

[shut pendant]

i've spent the last 2 and a half years learning about and convincing people that not every single damn thing in this series has to deal with void

and then the next game has the most obviously intentional void allusions yet

[high widget]

EXACTLY

LIKE.

ITS INSANE

[shut pendant]

it's really funny

[high widget]

even the whole fgucking

Elfilin name thing

Dude

"Nil Life"

WHAT TEH FUCK DOES THAT MEAN KUMA

[shut pendant]

oh yeah

[high widget]

WHAT TEH FUCK DOES THAT MEAN/.

LIKE

BRO???

[shut pendant]

i would come up with a headcanon but i can't think of anything lol

[high widget]

god i wish i lived your life

[random tendon]

kumazaki when imagination

[slate scarab]

See I thought Chaos Elfilis was meant to say this but now I think they're CHAOS and not SOUL because it's specifically the Void connection that does that. Soul is something close but not exactly. I guess

[high widget]

Yeah and then Lord of Chaos references fucking Drawcia attacks

like

we can't win

[toxic delta]

nevermind, seems like guidebook just doesn't list those moves for them so we don't know

[random shoal]

Me 2 years ago: guys chill void is not that relevant it won't be brought up again most likely

[high widget]

we can't call things void we just know theyre void-related

[shut pendant]

like maybe the elfilis species was born from dream matter and that's why they're like void
or the dimension the new world is in had a void that split into the four matters and created life forms from those
but then that could also be a thing with dark matter
but then void termina would be like a different void cause a different dimension
but maybe dark matter actually came from the new world's dimension

but literally all of this is just pure speclation

[random shoal]

Funny RTDX true arena and SCW:

[high widget]

its CRAZY

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[shut pendant]

how it feels to know void has SOME relevance but having no way to prove it

[high widget]

kuma decided ok KSA is going to start an overarching theme with Void and killed us all like Master Crown (boss) (tree) to Egg Engines

teh fact that a remake was made to reinforce the themes is insane

[random tendon]

kumazaki: too bad, clash and void are relevant

[random shoal]

Well clash is only relevant via magolor

The rest of clash can be disregarded as it should be

[high widget]

dont say words you might regret

[slate scarab]

Seems like Void is meant to encompass space related life forms. Like stars and d-d-d-dark matter. And jackalope aliens

[random shoal]

Im a clash hater if its my hubris then so be it

[shut pendant]

me being dragged into kumazaki's personal hell the moment i start researching kirby clash lore more

[high widget]

no yeah i mean Chaos and Void are both space-related cocnepts like even outside of Kirby universe

[random tendon]

ok but clash -> magolor -> lor -> spaceship new world -> SCW

[shut pendant]

i'll be honest kirby clash is the main reason why i'm prioritizing finishing all the mainline games' lore summaries lol

i don't wanna think about king d-mind for longer than i have to

[fading tartan]

OH I DIDNT KNOW THAT??

[high widget]

i mean he explained King D-Mind pretty succinct didnt he

[random shoal]

its more like spaceship new world -> lor -> magolor -> clash -> SCW

[high widget]

"its Dark Taranza's idea of a true evil" or something to that effect im not being very specific

[shut pendant]

yeah lol

[random shoal]

and clash is the most irrelevant part of that chain

even magolor is like

[shut pendant]

Given that Taranza manipulated King Dedede as the hero of the lower world in "Kirby: Triple Deluxe", King D-Mind was created from the "Distorted Mirror" as what Dark Taranza considers the most savage individual. The backstory of "Kirby & The Amazing Mirror" is that "Evil minds were gathered and born within the Dimension Mirror". This time, Taranza's evil mind gathers in King D-Mind, who is not the actual King Dedede, and consequently, Dark Mind emerges from within his body. Dark Taranza produced what he considered to be the strongest warrior, but despite his efforts, in the end he'll be discarded, a development typical for Taranza.

[random shoal]

"bro idgaf about anything here. i want to go home"

lets all be like magolor

[slate scarab]

Not everyone knows the Dream Kingdom was on past Halcandra its okay

[random shoal]

ITS AN AU

ITS NOT THE PART

PAST

[slate scarab]

An AU In the PAST

[random shoal]

I REFUSE !!! I WONT ACKNOWELDGE IT AS THE PAST

I DONT CARE ITS ANOTHER UNIVERSE

ITS IRRELEANT

[shut pendant]

i wanted to add this to the wiki for a long time but when i couldn't come up with an easily understandable way to explain it without misunderstanding anything myself i just gave up and copy pasted faye's exact translation of what kumazaki said lol

[toxic delta]

Dark Taranza will be referenced one game from now >:)

[random tendon]

the true prequel of kirby is the anime

[random shoal]

kirby game with time travel comes out, kirby travels back to the past and it turns out that past dream land was the dream kingdom:

[random tendon]

average kumazaki sentence

[high widget]

i mean

[random shoal]

he will probably be referenced via alt palette in air riders

[shut pendant]

"Taranza's evil mind gathers in King D-Mind, who is not the actual King Dedede, and consequently, Dark Mind emerges from within his body"

[high widget]

its pretty definite even if we dont know what the fuck it means

[random shoal]

taranza is so gay for dedede that his ideal man is dedede if he was messed up by dark mind

[random tendon]

I swear I sometimes look at a kumazaki sentence and go like

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

like I get this gist of what he's saying but I'm like, why did you say it like this?????

[slate scarab]

I remember the days I tried so hard to deny clash canon. Good times. Gooood times

[shut pendant]

i think kumazaki speaks in four dimensions

[random shoal]

i mean clash IS canon

it doesnt mean that it is relevant however

[high widget]

dude i dont know what theyre going to plan for next game

theyve literally like

[high widget]

tied ties with each game consecutively

[slate scarab]

At least there's some good stuff to theorize with like Decisive Battlefield and uhhhh

[high widget]

what could they possibly tie in next

[slate scarab]

Landia

That's it

[high widget]

sobs on the floor

[random shoal]

3ds games dangling in the corner not being tied to anything:

[shut pendant]

kumazaki has secretly planned literally everything for the past 14 years

17 actually

ever since he created galacta knight he planned to reveal that he sealed void termina and was sealed away by starries

[high widget]

If Robobot leak is actually real we are absolutely getting Holine Alivel Lightron lore

[slate scarab]

"Robobot leak" and "real" in the same sentence

[high widget]

yeah well who fucking knows

they remade RtDL for some reason

the only other game that has more connections to Halcandra is the company that literally recreated Halcandra's metal generals

[slate scarab]

To create the best kirby game that's why

Which they would also do with robobot remake... actually

[high widget]

so fucked up that Security Force didnt even have pause description

[slate scarab]

So by that logic it's real

[random shoal]

the game was about as old as super star when they remade super star

[slate scarab]

They can fiiiiinnaaallly confirm Haltmann is Metal Generals dead master HIP HIP HORRAY!!

(Joke)

[shut pendant]

the funny

[random shoal]

and rtdl was the only modern kirby game to get into that popular japanese videogame top list decided by votes

and it was the HIGHEST Kirby game at that

(i blame magolor)

[high widget]

planet with strong connections to it

im going to puke

[slate scarab]

I sometimes still see the theory that haltmann mechanized Egg Engines which is so interesting cause that planet is dead as hell and has nothing of worth on it

[random shoal]

how that theory still exists after magologue

[high widget]

also

between like

[random shoal]

we literally saw what happened to halcandra

[high widget]

Magolor Epilogue imply Magolor being in like multiple timelines/dimensions to gather info or some shit for his magical theme park

[slate scarab]

Like ig with RTDX you could say that SOMEONE must have recreated the buildings that appear in Magolor Epilogue, since the Egg Engine versions are clearly made of hastily put together scrap metal

[high widget]

i feel like "Susie traveling another dimension for Holo Defense API data" is like

a similar situation

[slate scarab]

But I feel like that was just Metal General since he runs the place

[high widget]

I can imagine like Susie in the BG of like Kracko and Kracko's Revenge from KSSU time travelling and grabbing data

[coarse arrow]

Me when the game has it so that the main chorus of Twinkling Star showers comes on timed to Void using crown of great evil

[random shoal]

magologue is awesome but my little pet theory got disproven because of it and it makes me a little sad whenever i remembered it

[slate scarab]

Ain't no way Haltmann would make Egg Engines and make it THAT ugly with no big ass "H" anywhere

[high widget]

was your old theory related to Magolor being Halcandran or something

[random shoal]

no

magolor meeting susie when she was still trapped at AD

[high widget]

oh

[shut pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymAtaFM7W-I OH MY GOD LAST SONG REMIX

[random shoal]

and unintentionally telling her about popstar

[high widget]

i mean Magolor can still do that

[random shoal]

i mean

i doubt it

[high widget]

i guesse

But like

Magolor is felt every game

so who knowse.

[shut pendant]

this is literally the first one i've seen (not counting vocaloid dubs or whatever)

[random shoal]

it mainly stemmed from a weird beef magolor seemed to have with susie according to those semi obscure clash posts

where susie from OUR universe came to clash universe

so we know that OUR magolor and susie have interacted

actually... wait...

wait the fucking second

[shut pendant]

i thought about this a while ago, and realized i have no idea if this was actually confirmed

[random shoal]

im pretty sure it was but i dont feel like looking for them right now

[shut pendant]

but also unfortunately susie is not from our universe as she does not exist in real life 😔

[random shoal]

thank god

/joke

[random shoal]

but like, this fucks with my perception of timeline of events so much now that i think about it

[slate scarab]

Im pretty sure it's true since Parallel Susie appears and Susie's Gem Apple Sorbet is in Star Allies

[random shoal]

if its our magolor. and our susie. this susie surely came after the events of robobot, right

why the fuck

why the fuck magolor is still here

[shut pendant]

shit i don't have the kirby clash magolor interview things bookmarked

[random shoal]

did he just

[gleaming stream]

He’s Kuma’s son

[shut pendant]

i think the gem apple sorbet is minor enough to possibly just be a reference

[random shoal]

come to dream kingdom for the sake of it??? or he was still trapped there???

is dream collection canon.

[high widget]

wait

[random shoal]

i need to stop thinking about this

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is actual Susie in the Dream Kingdom

[random shoal]

i hate clash

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?

[random shoal]

screw clash

[shut pendant]

you mean like new challenge stages?

[random shoal]

yeah

[slate scarab]

I also hate clash

[shut pendant]

those were just made by magolor in a theme park

[random shoal]

no its like

[shut pendant]

and he also made the challenge stages in the lor in rtdl

so no reason for it not to be canon

[random shoal]

there were posts i think on the official website of clash or something like that

[slate scarab]

But I think Magolor can just freely go back to clash. He must have done that for Super right. Cause he had apples in Star Allies

[random shoal]

about susie from our universe coming to clash universe

but

the susie in the actual game is not the same one as in those posts

i hate clash

screw clash

[high widget]

?

why is susie a problem

[random shoal]

yeah but why

[slate scarab]

Money

[high widget]

im not really understanding the frustration

[slate scarab]

He needs funding for Merry Magoland

[random shoal]

because i reasoned that magolor was stuck in dream kingdom because he had no way to get back to popstar

[slate scarab]

The Dream collection stages weren't his primary goal

[random shoal]

but if dream collection is canon

[slate scarab]

Magoland was

[random shoal]

it means that he could

and susie proves that further

[high widget]

i mean

[random shoal]

this egg mfer is breaking my brain

[high widget]

he could literally dimensional vanish

[shut pendant]

it does seem to implying that this is our susie but it's technically not confirmed and could just be referring to ANOTHER haltmann works company specifically from the dream kingdom dimension

(ignore the bad google translation)

[gleaming stream]

[random shoal]

i dont think this quite allows him to travel between worlds

[random shoal]

oh so she is still secretary here

interesting

so maybe it was before the events of robobot

[gleaming stream]

Parallel Haltmann…

[shut pendant]

well it wouldn't be the dream kingdom's dimension since she did come there specifically from somewhere else\

[random shoal]

maybe my interpretation istn entirely wrecked

[shut pendant]

so yeah i think it's most likely planet robobot susie

[shut pendant]

yeah i also originally put it after planet robobot lol

[slate scarab]

Methinks it's after cause the games just seem to follow release date order for their timeline

[shut pendant]

now i have both kirby clash games neatly between triple deluxe and planet robobot

[gleaming stream]

When I’m in a missed potential challenge and my opponent is the clash games

[random shoal]

yeah but why would she refer to herself as the secretary

[high widget]

Yeah she's like very specific

[random shoal]

she never once referred to herself as secretary post robobot did she.

[high widget]

"secretary to the president"

[random shoal]

i think this is pre-robobot

[high widget]

the president would have died

[random shoal]

haltmann is still alive

[slate scarab]

Maybe to just not spoil it LOL

[random shoal]

i mean they could have just not write it

like in her appearances post robobot

[high widget]

I feel like she'd introduce herself differently

[random shoal]

yeah

[shut pendant]

oh my god i forgot about this detail
susie's parallel susie alt color in air riders having the hair thing is actually perfect since it lets you distinguish her from the actual parallel susie

[random shoal]

this is a very specific detail imo

like its not there just because

[random shoal]

HA

...yknow this is crazy attention to detail actually

[high widget]

the stupid ass hairclip

[shut pendant]

there's a chance this is intentional and they actually did extremely in-depth lore research while making air riders

...or it's just a coincidence from recoloring susie's model lol

[random shoal]

i mean

[high widget]

I think its a coincidence

[random shoal]

kumazaki is the general director

[high widget]

the hairclip is supposed to be holden

iirc?

[random shoal]

i dont think its a coincidence

its supposed to be golden but isnt

[shut pendant]

of kirby air riders?

[random shoal]

in that alt

[random shoal]

of the franchise

why wouldnt he be general director of air riders

he's the head honcho of kirby

it doesnt mean he contributes game direction

[shut pendant]

cause air riders is being developed by sora and bandai namco and directed by sakurai

[random shoal]

its still a part of kirby franchise

its kirby spin-off

i mean its unconfirmed still but like

[shut pendant]

i don't know if there's any evidence that he's been involved with air riders

[random shoal]

even battle royale, a game where kumazaki likely had no real involvement with

credited him as general director

so like

yknow

[shut pendant]

yeah it's possible

[high widget]

pomni voice

[random shoal]

he is credited as general director in every game even if he didnt direct the actual game

he's a franchise director

[ripe bane]

I honestly wish she didn't have her hairclip in that recolor and, when picking it, the name changed to Paralell Susie. Same thing with Dark Meta Knight, Galacta Knight and Shadow Kirby (I hope Kirby doesn't have just 7 skins).

[slate scarab]

Wait doesn't star allies also call susie a secretary at one point or am I crazy

[shut pendant]

🫵

[high widget]

Oh yeah

that reminds me

[random shoal]

i want YOU for the haltmann works company

[slate scarab]

She's called like... the dazzling secretary or something... I think

Maybe that was air riders

[random shoal]

i don't remember that to be honest but i also last played star allies like 3 years ago

[shut pendant]

her title is just "Secretary Susie" in japan, like in general

[random shoal]

yeah figures

[slate scarab]

Ah

So there problem solved

[high widget]

not really

because she mentions shes a secretary to a PRESIDENT

[slate scarab]

Secretary in spirit

[high widget]

the president woudl have died

if she was just secretary she would only need to mention "i am a secretary"

[random shoal]

president susie is gonna be so real in a few years

[slate scarab]

God dammit

[high widget]

anyway

[shut pendant]

yeah lol

[slate scarab]

Ignoring clash I hate clash

[high widget]

actuially ill popst this in the general kirby game chanel

[shut pendant]

seriously what is this thing

is this like parallel susie from the future after her dad also died and she became her own president

[slate scarab]

Ig it's possible this could be Susie from any time period and not specifically directly correlated to her present situation by the time of the game. Since it IS time travel

[shut pendant]

my head hurts i'm gonna stop thinking about kirby clash now

[slate scarab]

Yeah

[ripe bane]

Does Paralell Susie even have a dad or a company at all? Going by Star Allies's lore, it seems unlikely.

[slate scarab]

I don't thiiiink sooooo

Parallels seem to be pocket dimension freaks

And exist in a vacuum

Cause like you have Parallel Landia with the God damn Parallel Master Crown which introduces 6 thousand questions