Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

[sand patrol]

no galacta knight

i rememberm ago epilogue was locked in to have galacta knight

[random tendon]

elfilin soul

[ocean ingot]

The energy within the crystals cause the reformed powers of elfilis within elfilin to act up, causing a violent personality to burst forth, eventually causing elfilin to go absolutely insane and fight you to the literal death

more cries of the good part of elfilin trying to call out, drowned out by the elfilis personality unleashing itself

[sterile quartz]

maybe? idk

[robust tundra]

crystal matter (?

[warm briar]

Beautiful 😍

[shadow kindle]

Assuming it's gonna be a similar situation to astral birth void in soul melter ex but canon, then I guess they can come up with an excuse like: the crystals have somehow scanned and copied the dna of Elfilis that is within Elfilin and created a copy of Elfilis that is made by the crystals and it has starry powers or something

Or they can go a different route and have a completely new and original final boss for the hypothetical new arena

It could go either way tbh

[signal garnet]

they definitely like crystals

dang i hot misled about far up i was again

up the contrast maybe

ok yeah it's definitely moving in an opposite direction
sorry gigi

[toxic delta]

also depends on what they do for the cup in the first place
but tbh with how FL is I doubt it'll be Elfilis again

[vital lodge]

It's going to be Elfilis again

[toxic delta]

now a Crystal Elfilin I could see

[vital lodge]

Somehow, through space and time, a parallel Elfilis appears, powered up by the Crystal Jamba Heart

[toxic delta]

if it is Elfilis though....tbh I think it'd just be a different Chaos Elfilis fight similar to how RtDL DX was

though I'm not entirely sure what more there is to do with that lmao

[signal garnet]

fair point, but the arena has a more straightforward narrative so peronally don't think they're going to bring elfilis unless it turns out the crystals have copying powers

which hey

another dimension, connections to ancients are the oblihatory lorebuilding points notice how they've already done both of which with galacta knight already

but copying is common too so

would'nt be too surprising

[toxic delta]

btw people forgetting Void isn't explicitly parallel, that one could happen in-universe just fine (I mean, end result is mostly the same no matter what and there is more than one Void there, they didn't need to do much to fit it in)

[signal garnet]

yeah but they're vague af esp when compared to fl sooo

[toxic delta]

meanwhile without altering story stuff, Chaos Elfilis is...well, basically gone (and you could very easily start SCW after all that happens)
hence I see Crystal Elfilin as more viable if anything like that happens (without pulling space-time shenanigans)

[signal garnet]

it's fair game imo

[toxic delta]

not really

only vague thing is when it happens (if it happens) and some specifics on its birth
but like, the basics of the fight are the same (Hyness summons them, they all die at the end) with Void stuff being something they left much more open-ended to do stuff with

anyway I also think bit of people forget that no matter what they have to find ways to not mess with main story too much since save files will likely transfer over

and is technically an expansion
(and again, FL has very different structure from all the other games)

it isn't like other games where most things were separated and bit of relevant story stuff was left more open-ended, or like a seperate release

[signal garnet]

(even if not the contrast still allows my own point to stand at least)
i mean even that's (when, if, specifics of birth) still vague compared to FL, where it was just a heavily forshadowed simple chronological continuation with the narrative, and it's basically impossible for people to walk away from the game thinking it's a parallel, where even if you could construct an argument it doesn't heavily contrast void, that's still enough for the point that it'd be harder to give elfilis the void treatment

also true

(also on an unrelated note, i wonder if anyone could even tell what me the difference between void termina, void soul, and astral birth is)

[toxic delta]

also keep in mind with SA, they built up stuff over time with the updates

[toxic delta]

probably just what he's made of? but they never give specifics
(either way it definitely isn't too much lmao)

[signal garnet]

lmao

but ye i bring it up to highlight chaos elfilis just telling you straight up explicitly telling you "they're forgo + souls + morpho's power" and showing it in the onscreen story lol

but anyways good discussion 🤝

[shut pendant]

i just remembered i had a dream that i had access to the star-crossed world demo and found like 5 new figures

[fading tartan]

you mind sharing what those figures were? incase you turn out to be a prophet...

[signal garnet]

how did you feel

[shut pendant]

excited

[shut pendant]

uhhhhh i forgor

but i think one of them had big lore

[violet gorge]

Maybe if we yell key words it’ll come back to you uhhhhhhhh….
ancients knight fecto forgo another dimension Halcandra

….nova?

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-watterson-think-remember-i-rember-i-forgor-gif-22847457

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-i-forgot-i-forgor-gif-22449575

[violet gorge]

Damm
He fecto forgor

[signal garnet]

so rhv the lore keeper was the one who forgot the land

[violet gorge]

Its elfilis’ psychic powers keeping us from rhv’s vision

[shut pendant]

i don't keep the lore, i give it

but my dream keeps it from me

[violet gorge]

Good thing I was able to remember my dream of toothpick mouthful mode

[toxic delta]

you mean Forgo Dreams

[shut pendant]

how... how does that work

[violet gorge]

He eats a giant toothpick and for some inexplicable reason it looks more like ring mouth but with a giant wooden toothpick in the middle instead of yk a ring

And the power was that kirby could roll and jump. So basically needle’s movement with ring mouths design and spring mouths jump. But yk not as interesting lmao

😭

[shut pendant]

peak game design

[signal garnet]

the more i think about the more i hate that you're totally right

[signal garnet]

if kirby mouthfulled a toothpick

...id feel very bad for him

[violet gorge]

He swallowed cactuses before he’ll be fine

[signal garnet]

i feel like it'd be even worse to spit it out too eugh

true

[sterile quartz]

Maybe it'll be a different chaos elfilis

you know

like with magolor in rtdldx

where true arena just has another seperate magolor soul

[acoustic sage]

The Arenas aren't really canon though

The Ultima Cup Z on the other hand is

Like you physically access it and everything, it's not a menu

And I've said it before, but the Ultimate Cup Z's ending felt pretty final when it came to all the Fecto Forgo shenanigans

[sterile quartz]

oh ok

yeah then idk what it will do because part of me expects a super elfilis but lore wise that's impossible

parallel elfilis?

[acoustic sage]

The True Arena's Magolor Soul being altered can just be chalked-up to a gameplay thing (Though the ending of the fight being changed too is interesting...)

When you think about it, most True Arenas have different final bosses

It's just that since Extra Mode already had Magolor Soul, they decided to change him a bit in the remake

[vagrant hound]

MAGOLOR SOUL

[acoustic sage]

But where's the soul?

[sterile quartz]

i get that i really do
but i'm not sure what the final enemy is

either it will be the final boss of scw and there is no secret boss (this is kirby, no)

the final boss gets an ex form that replaces their normal form or a new 4th cup phase (maybe)
or it's a third version of fecto-elfilis (somehow)

[acoustic sage]

Also I just think ANOTHER set of refights would be lame

I know there's Void, but like tbf what else would you do?

Galacta Knight was eaten, and Void is probably one of the most significant and powerful beings in all of Kirby lore up to that point

Of course they would make a third version for Soul Melter EX

[sterile quartz]

yeah void was kind of implied to be the greater scope villain for the dark matters, the (up to that point) main antagonistic species of the series
tbf elfilis is arguably even MORE influential to the lore than void is

but still

[acoustic sage]

But with a whole new story, there's way more things you could do for a new final boss

[sterile quartz]

i do think that if there are more refights it'd be like return to dreamland dx where the second set of refights were distinct from the first set rather than an even harder variation

[acoustic sage]

Oh yeah I completely forgot about Magolor Epilogue

Not only are the bosses themselves there even further altered, but you're also using a completely different moveset as well

You can only fight them as Kirby in the True Arena

So unless we get playable Elfilin or something, it'd be pretty tricky to make us fight the Beast Pack a third time without just making it even harder

[sterile quartz]

tbf true

i do think we are getting SOME refights

we already have harder midbosses so i feel like harder main bosses will be here too

but not ALL of the main bosses will get third versions

some wont and will have new bosses in their place probably

[toxic delta]

only one I'm banking on rn is a Crystal Carol
Crystal Tropic could be nice though

[acoustic sage]

Though it is interesting that the Beast Pack are still enemies when all signs point to this taking place after the main game, at which point they were no longer hostile

[toxic delta]

I mean, there is the crystal stuff that is probably influencing them

[acoustic sage]

Like we see non-crystalised ones too so it's not just possession or whatever

At least I think we see some

[toxic delta]

if any of the Beast Council got crystalized then it would make sense
of course, some could just be being jerks (and others are probably just chilling, in some cases)

[acoustic sage]

I mean none of them seem like they'd be jerks

Maybe Gorimondo?

[twin fog]

Wait I just realized
What if after SCW content they fix the biggest mistake of FL

[acoustic sage]

Wait is Tropic Woods part of the Beast Council

[twin fog]

And they actually put some of the bosses in town besides Carol

[acoustic sage]

I still have no Idea

[toxic delta]

I meant the enemies for that

[acoustic sage]

Ohhh

[toxic delta]

no

[acoustic sage]

And some regular members as well

[toxic delta]

Beast Council is Gorimondo, Carol, Sillydillo

[acoustic sage]

We see them chilling in the credits pictures, but they're just completely absent otherwise

Bar Carol of course

[acoustic sage]

Actually assuming the town isn't even further expanded, where would they even go?

Doesn't help that Sillydillo and especially Gorimondo are, well...mondo

[tacit saffron]

have Awoofies be able to react to you

imagine they become new friends with some of the Dees

btw will they fit one more gatcha machine into the town?

or will the EXs be found in the regular 4 after playing through the star crossed content?

(guessing )

[sterile quartz]

I think the main one that wouldnt be crystalized is Dedede (because he's in waddle dee town at all times)

i forgor if clawroline was there too

[twin fog]

Yea it's a good thing waddle dee town has the Anti SuperMeteor Barrier built and everyone in there is protected

[acoustic sage]

She's there during Forgo Dreams at least

I don't remember if she stays there afterwards though

[twin fog]

she does

[sterile quartz]

ik this is probably meant to be sarcastic but

i feel like the meteorite stuff would be for fallen star volcano

that is all

[acoustic sage]

Wait

[sterile quartz]

ok so clawroline could get crystalized

[signal garnet]

he had touhou syndrome and the second boss of the game was completely unrelated to the plot

[sterile quartz]

i only think that waddle dee town will be safe because of plot convience

[acoustic sage]

I wouldn't have my hopes up

[signal garnet]

PEAK

[acoustic sage]

She's still there at the start at least, and assuming Star-Crossed World happens right after the main game then they couldn't just lock Forgo Dreams until you've freed her

Unless they make a version of the cutscene where she's not present, or this is just a doppelganger for some reason

[twin fog]

Are you two still talking as if like
Being in waddle dee town somehow prevents her from being crystalized
And as if she's not in waddle dee town after forgo dreams

[acoustic sage]

No I mean the beginning cutscene when you unlock Forgo Dreams

[tacit saffron]

waddle dee town can be affected

[sterile quartz]

the point isnt that it cant be

it's that it might not be due to it not having relevance to the plot

[tacit saffron]

it had no plot armor before Kirby came to the New World

[sterile quartz]

it also was relevant to the plot of the main game

[twin fog]

Clawroline being important to the plot of Forgo Dreams could affect her getting crystalized if our theory that SCW is parallel to Forgo Dreams and you can do either at any point after the story

[acoustic sage]

My point is that she couldn't be taken away unless they made a unique cutscene for if you start Forgo Dreams before Star-Crossed World (or at least before the point that she get crystallized)

Yeah that basically

Though now that I think about it the chances might be even lower

Because think about the final cutscene for Forgo Dreams

[signal garnet]

ye

[acoustic sage]

Even if she wasn't the only member present to give him a soul piece and could theoretically be replaced by anyone in the event of her absence, they still made a figure of that specific moment

[signal garnet]

oh true

like

damn thats actually a really good point

[acoustic sage]

The only way I could possibly see there still being a Crystal Carol or whatever while still keeping the stories parallel, is if maybe there's a certain point where you have to have beaten both the rest of Star-Crossed World AND Forgo Dreams

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[tulip coral]

adamthechao#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

So you know The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero DLC for Scarlet & Violet

Quoted by adamthechao#0 • [1250120786996494397] · Apr 14, 2025, 11:04 PM

[signal garnet]

im guessing the best they can do is make one simple canonically happen after the other

but

[sterile quartz]

i dont think crystal clawroline is happening

[signal garnet]

FL's menu is pretty diagetic so idk it'd be haed for it not to be weird

[acoustic sage]

Yeah in a perfect world this would take place after like the Ultimate Cup Z for maximum story potential, but you have to think about the average, non-lore-savvy player

Though to be fair, I feel like most people interested in Star-Crossed-World will have already beaten the game

[twin fog]

I think they should give us Crystal Battamon

[acoustic sage]

Going back to the Pokémon thing again, while you can go to Kitakami and Blueberry Academy basically as soon as you've started all three stories, anyone who's getting the DLC will likely have already beaten the main game anyhow

[twin fog]

i'm still hung up on the possibility that SCW content unlocks per world

[acoustic sage]

I mean I guess this is a slightly different situation since basically the game as a whole is being repackaged as well, but I don't think anyone who wasn't interested in the first place will really change their minds at the fancy new 14000p resultion or whatever

The game's run its course, it's already the best-selling Kirby game

[acoustic sage]

That is an interesting idea

[tacit saffron]

think of them as like the ex levels from other games

[acoustic sage]

Though I doubt it'll be that they unlock ALONGSIDE the worlds

[tacit saffron]

except they have a story purpose to them

[wise flame]

SCW's gotta be treated a little differently than something like Epilogue

[acoustic sage]

It could possibly be that you need to beat each stage in a world for the next batch to unlock

That way there can also be some further progression in difficulty

[acoustic sage]

I mean compared to the EX levels, these alterations are FAR more signifigant

[wise flame]

As logical as it sounds to have SCW be a postgame expansion, just the mere fact it's on the front cover of the game (and part of the title) just makes it seem like they're going to try introducing this thing as early as possible

[acoustic sage]

It's not just "Bigger enemies and less food"

I'd barely even consider them remixes, they're practically their own levels that just start the same as other ones

[wise flame]

SCW's gonna be in a weird spot where canonically it's happened after Story Mode (and more?) but it can be accessed way earlier...

...Assuming they're going to make it accessible early-game

[acoustic sage]

The inclusion of Elfilin in the starting cutscene makes me think otherwise

Imagine the admittedly pretty unlikely situation of someone getting the upgrade midway through their playthrough, when Elfilin is kidnapped

[wise flame]

So either this will be a postgame thing, or they'll figure something weird out

But you know, this is quite literally DLC for a 3 year old game, so more than likely it's gonna be a postgame thing

[tacit saffron]

well either way

more spoilers for everyone!

[acoustic sage]

And plus what I've said a billion times about the market for this thing

[wise flame]

Oh to buy FL+SCW at full price and be a new r/Kirby member

[acoustic sage]

It's mostly gonna be Kirby fans, and of that it'll mostly be people who have already beaten Forgotten Land

[toxic delta]

it could just happen near the end

doesn't need to be from the start
technically speaking, Leon doesn't actually get possessed until end of Forgo Dreams either lol

[signal garnet]

wdym

[wise flame]

I assume they mean specifically during the Isolated Isles plotline

Leon's not really possessed there... more like spiritually atomized

(But if you're referring to story mode, IDK I'm pretty sure Leon's possessed just because he's under intense delusions by Forgo)

[toxic delta]

I'm talking about during Forgo Dreams yeah
(though even for story, he is more just under his influence for lot of it)

so they could pull similar thing with Carol, just stuff not being apparent from the start

so she can still be in town for most of it

[signal garnet]

ohhhh

i see what you mean

[tacit saffron]

what if Leon had to save Carol as like an opposite to Forgo Dreams if it were after that

that'd be cute

she saved him so he gets to save her in return

assuming she's involved in Star Crossed plot

[twin fog]

They actually both died immediately after Forgo Dreams

[toxic delta]

finally, Leon Soul and Carol Soul....

[signal garnet]

BAHAHA

[tacit saffron]

from age?

wait how old would they be?

[acoustic sage]

I mean neither of them look particularly old

[signal garnet]

leon when he gets old:

[acoustic sage]

Is the whole time-dilation thing actually canon, or is it just an assumption based on stuff like Waddle Dee Town already being built and destroyed, or Carol nursing Elfilin back to health?

Like has it been explicitly stated that time moves faster in the New World?

[signal garnet]

speaking as if we don't heavily rely off of assumptions in the first place

[acoustic sage]

Okay but has it?

[shut pendant]

i swear there was something that said that like dedede spent months in the new world before kirby arrived

[signal garnet]

Forgo dreams

[shut pendant]

but i can't find it

oh i found it

[acoustic sage]

I never thought of him as a triangle...

[shut pendant]

so yeah, unless that giant dimension rift was above dream land wihtout anyone noticing for literal months, or dedede was just somehow sucked into it way before anyone else, it's most likely just that there's some kind of time dilation

[toxic delta]

yeah, also made obvious it's a thing with what happens with Elfilin

[shut pendant]

yeah they pointed that out

actually somehow i never thought that the weird time stuff might literally just be because the dimensional tunnel takes them to a different point in time, since that's what another dimension can do

[acoustic sage]

I try not to think about that too much, because it just brings up some questions

Like HOW big is the dilation?

[shut pendant]

i personally think that, just to get rid of the complications, the dilation ONLY existed when the rift was open in both occassions

[signal garnet]

i like how they clarify that dedede did not peel off anyone's fur but didn't say anything like "by the way no one took it from anyone living or anything"

[acoustic sage]

What would happen if Kirby Returns To Dream Land for an extended period of time and then came back

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[acoustic sage]

I guess aging has never really been brought up as a topic in Kirby, so maybe they're all immortal

[shut pendant]

i think they're like cartoon characters who don't really age unless it's plot relevant

like elfilin

[acoustic sage]

The only characters to have aged on-screen that I know of are...Dyna Blade's chicks

[signal garnet]

yeah
but at the same time im not sure how i feel about we have to assume the most charitible possible assumption

with that said yeah that provides me some clarity

[acoustic sage]

I guess Susie also got lost in Another Dimension as a child

[shut pendant]

true

[acoustic sage]

That's a fair compromise(?)

I can't think of a better word

[shut pendant]

the word compromise is a good compromise

[acoustic sage]

Also SUSIE PROLOGUE WHEN

[shut pendant]

in the triple deluxe + planet robobot remake collection for nintendo switch 2 for 100 dollars that will never happen

[signal garnet]

when hal runs out of better ideas than a remake

[acoustic sage]

Actually I just checked her page and it doesn't seem to specify that she was a kid, just that it happened years ago

[shut pendant]

it was

[acoustic sage]

Oh

[shut pendant]

also in japanese

[twin fog]

Also funny title of Deus Ex

What'd they translate it as again

A Deus Ex Machina from Childhood

[vagrant hound]

35th anniversary dream collection

[pastel jungle]

galacta knight

[reef patrol]

yes

[shut pendant]

i disagree

[vagrant hound]

And I am Magolor

[winter widget]

[sand patrol]

with the added content it might make coin grinding for gatcha a little less annoying

[lean grove]

i'm half betting that you will also be able to convert starry coins or whatever collectable into rare stones as well

[ocean ingot]

Can't wait to defeat Crystal Galacta Knight, and the credits start rolling, but then they do the Star Allies thing and roll back, and we hear "Bravo Kirby,..."

🫲🥚🫱

[shadow kindle]

Tbh I feel like a workaround would be to have the crystals somehow create copies of the main story bosses just like with the phantom bosses in Forgo dreams

[twin fog]

That wouldn't match up with what they've shown so far but who knows

[shadow kindle]

I mean it's HAL we're talking about

They'll probably come up with a good solution

[lean grove]

i feel like creating rehashed bosses wouldn't really work again for a new story

they have to make at least a few of them relevant

at most saving the rehashed bosses for an Ultimate Cup EX or whatever

[twin fog]

they could definitely do more than theyve done with any past postgame mode and bring in some original bosses even outside the finale

[shadow kindle]

I mean Magolor epilogue kinda did the same thing

[obtuse berry]

5 bosses that are variations of tropic woods but crystal

[shadow kindle]

lmao

[lean grove]

magolor epilogue is like
another another dimension and that's the justification

[shadow kindle]

Well if HAL wants to do rehashed bosses, then wouldn't the crystals be a decent justification for the rehashed bosses?

I guess the only problems I could see with the rehashed bosses would be with dedede

[lean grove]

the thing is that the crystals basically do nothing to change them

[shadow kindle]

Since his second boss fight involve him wearing a mask that clouds his mind or something among those lines

[lean grove]

it just makes them bigger and more damaging

so crystals would be super unimpressive and non impactful

[obtuse berry]

idk, I can see bosses tossing out damaging crystals after attacking

[shadow kindle]

I guess they could come up with new crystal attacks for the bosses

I can see a potential crystal gorimondo slamming the ground with his fists and making crystal spikes protrude from the ground

Well at the end of the day, it's up to HAL's decision whether or not they want to do rehashed bosses

[green crater]

Honestly it just comes down to what/how much flavor text they want to do

[sterile quartz]

forgo eyes

[signal garnet]

Yeah
This is the only one of then that has introduced a new room guarder

[acoustic sage]

It would be really cool to see the Beast Pack having a more active supporting role in Star-Crossed World

Like "We JUST went through an alien invasion and mind-control, we are NOT letting another one happen!"

Leon could be partially motivated out of guilt for what happened before, and is taking it upon himself to deal with the problem as well

[sand patrol]

Assuming it's post game

[high widget]

you know what

4 point stars are annoying to draw and get right

[twin fog]

if you're ok with strats for 5 pointed stars that give you a pentagon in the middle then just draw a + then draw a square then connect the dots

Like this or something

[tacit saffron]

4 point stars when they appear in the tileset: so Galacta...

[twin fog]

post this to instantly scare a GK fan

Is this what his shield looks like

[obtuse berry]

there's a circle around the rims, but ya

[coarse arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wega-wegabros-scream-yelling-luigi-gif-26917290

[signal garnet]

what
they're the literally the easiest and quickest type of star to draw

[toxic delta]

assume he means like at an angle?

or ones with more curves in them

[acoustic sage]

Yeah I STILL can't do 5-point stars...

[signal garnet]

i cannot personally even think of a non complicated way to tell someone to draw a 5 point star

[acoustic sage]

First you draw a circle

[high widget]

perfectones

like

symmetric

[signal garnet]

my argurment...

still applies to all the other stars

[high widget]

i dont find it relevant to what i said

[signal garnet]

if anything 4 side stars have less steps and are easier to mirror from more angles than 5 side stars which, again, i cannot personally even think of a non complicated way to tell someone how to draw
i think that's just your opinion bro

[twin fog]

I feel like everyday I read more 'I'm an alien from outerspace' takes on this server
Like yea maybe a 4 pointed star is easier to a young child who's never been taught how to draw a 5 pointed star but like
everyone ever's been taught how to draw a 5 pointed star why are you talking like there isn't a common knowledge one-stroke 5 point star

[acoustic sage]

https://tenor.com/view/mikitaka-hazekura-jjba-mikitaka-diamond-is-unbreakable-alien-anime-gif-26725781

[signal garnet]

like, regardless of your opinion, what is objective though is it's still a factor in drawing
if i drew a five sided star by stacking a paper airplane on top of an upside down triangle, there exists a looooooot of factors and ways that could make me stack them in a way that isn't 100% symmetical

if that's what you mean

[high widget]

god forbid i say doing something right is annoying

[signal garnet]

im just confused tbh

[high widget]

also yeah curved ones

[toxic delta]

ah yeah I'm not the best at those either

[signal garnet]

like, if what you mean is drawing it symmetrically is harder, it feels very subjective and weird if you're implying that drawing something symmetrically couldn't make drawing basically everything harder; bc like a large amount of people don't have that experience. like i don't know how to phrase it but
hence my confusion on just, where you're going with this

ohhh wait i think i get it now, im guessing you're drawing some 4 point stars, and because people talk about 4 point stars a lot in the scw thread, you just kinda, like, dropped a little art vent in the thread? im guessing

[signal garnet]

eyes that stare into your soul

[wise flame]

Ok guys what if

No elaboration

[shut pendant]

i genuinely think some kind of undertale x kirby crossover is not completely impossible
even if it's "just" toby fox composing a piece of kirby music

wait we already have an undertale x kirby crossover, it's called super smash bros ultimate

[tacit saffron]

hahahahaha

the old cloud clovers

was here the whole time

[muted hawk]

True

[wise flame]

Coulda gotten an Ado-Like character to fight against but noooooo

Dude just casually namedrops her in the concept art section without elaboration

[high widget]

the four sphere clouds is always gonna be a Kirby thing to me

[shut pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyCgXrPBaXk no idea where they found this BUT IT'S SO GOOD

(the northeast frost-streed star-crossed world remix)

it's in 4/4 this time

[tacit saffron]

official?

[shut pendant]

actually yeah maybe it is an unofficial remix?

i have no clue

maybe it is

[tacit saffron]

wait a sec

this has familiar instruments

[shut pendant]

i've just been searching through any star-crossed world related videos on youtube to find ANY new info

[high widget]

i dont think the desc or title is like

i think its trying to say its legit

or that "i'd like to hear more of these"

[tacit saffron]

like from the...

[shut pendant]

it does sound official

[high widget]

like i dont think its a remix by this guy

[shut pendant]

maybe it's just very accurate

who knows

[tacit saffron]

rest area remix from...

TDX?

[shut pendant]

kinda yeah

[high widget]

there's even someone whos asking where they found the bgm

i wonder if its in some Nintendo Today video we just havent seen

because it has sfx in it

[sand patrol]

i dont think this is real

it really doesnt fit the musical themes the rest of the areas have had

this seems too peppy

[random tendon]

this sounds fan made

[sand patrol]

not mysterious

[high widget]

maybe its someone who thought it was official and they reposted it?

[random tendon]

news are posted at the same time for everyone

[random tendon]

could be lol

[sand patrol]

also the new themes are a bit more "intense" to fit the harder difficulty

this just is not in the same ball park at all

[high widget]

oh im realizing its titled like that and the desc is like that for the bit

[tacit saffron]

no way did somebody somehow found it out of nowhere

[shut pendant]

april 25-27 there'll be another switch 2 experience in dallas so i hope we get more kirby footage (of figures) then

[tacit saffron]

out of the star shaped cross blue

[vagrant hound]

This user also makes a fun remix

[tacit saffron]

yeah uhm it's the exact same

[vagrant hound]

I’ve heard of their other fan remix and it’s good

[tacit saffron]

misleading!

very Magolor of them

but they're not the only ones who make these kinds of "prediction" music

[vagrant hound]

@broken void this last one

Wanya Wanya max warp Star

Is this reference

[broken void]

Ahh that makes sense actually

I'm glad the scene is funny in both languages lmao I remember enjoying the English scene too

[vagrant hound]

I wonder what the English looks like tbh

If they kept the references

(Prob moth

MOTH

Not

[tacit saffron]

moth

moth doo

[vagrant hound]

Moth

Bug

[tacit saffron]

THE ANIMAL VIRUS IS STILL REAL

[vagrant hound]

MORPHO KNIGHT

I’ve been seeing some Morpho Knight predictions again

[tacit saffron]

Wild Morpho

for the totally new cup

[acoustic sage]

Animal virus?

[tacit saffron]

[broken void]

Trying to remember it off the top of my head - paraphrasing it it's like
"I need a count of how many waddle dees you got - on the double!"
"Uhh, there's lots of them?"
"Well how many exactly?"
"Hmm, I'd hafta say..... I dunno!"

[tacit saffron]

meowtactic if you can explain to adam & eve what was the animal virus theory?

please

thank you

-# I'm taking away your coupons!

[broken void]

#kirby-kingdom message This does a good job of it

[tulip coral]

gigi9714#0 - #kirby-kingdom

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Quoted by meowtactic#0 • [241151177197092866] · Apr 13, 2025, 11:23 PM

[broken void]

Thanks toilet bowl

[wise flame]

Whether it's real or fake, it's a banger nonetheless

[hushed root]

bro i was NOT cooking

fun times

[shut pendant]

the elfilin juice

[hushed root]

the cope lives on

[shut pendant]

what if crystal galacta knight

just like aeon hero light and dark

[grave fractal]

The crystal the butterfly brought to Galacta Knight

[spiral void]

all the galacta knight theorizing makes me giggle

[turbid nexus]

This fucking image

[arctic gale]

Beast virus passes on the torch

[ocean ingot]

Gorbdo

[signal garnet]

Yukkuri the yellow

[signal garnet]

All the very little theorizing of anything else makes me giggle but ironically

[shut pendant]

WHAT IF WADDLE DEE TOWN GETS HIT BY A CRYSTAL METEOR

[twin fog]

Crystal Wise Waddle Dee

[shut pendant]

the real final boss

[twin fog]

Casually fully explains GK lore

[shut pendant]

he'll use all the lore he learned to finally kill kirby

he knows about the multiverse of people playing this game and getting stats

magolor knows too but that is to be expected from him

[twin fog]

"Statistically across copies of the game I've killed you more than you've ever killed me Kirby"
"Wow people really suck at games"

[turbid nexus]

Watch one of those things fall into the Colosseum
(It will open up a portal to explain why the new Crystal Cup is canon)

[shut pendant]

hell yeah

[ocean ingot]

Rhv is Galacta Knight

[shut pendant]

how did you know

[fading tartan]

im pretty sure this is unofficial! this person is able to make their own music

[shut pendant]

yeah

[turbid nexus]

Not anymore, once I absorb their music making powers for myself

[broken void]

🗨️

I guess it's also kinda like speech bubble kirby which reminds me that fecto forgo is another one of those "dark parallels of kirby's abilities" which is really cool

[shut pendant]

omg kirby is a reincarnation of fecto elfilis confirmed

[turbid nexus]

When the main antagonist’s abilities mirrors that of the protagonist

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-photoshop-flowey-gif-19133748

so peak

[broken void]

Oh I didn't even think of him in that context lol real

I love that they've done this as far back as like. Marx's black hole

Technically earlier if you really wanna go back. Like the ball-shaped nightmare
(Did dedede inhale in dl1? i can never remember)

((I'm getting off topic lmao I'll go back to kirby-kingdom))

[shut pendant]

he did

[twin fog]

he didn't inhale, he sucked
hard

[toxic delta]

yes Dedede inhaled, also was the only boss to drop Drop Stars in DL1
and is a glutton (and associated with food and stars in general)
only real major thing he lacked was the hover (which he had to train to get afterwards), though his Super Dedede Jumps can be considered loosely like that too

even back then, he had star on his Hammer too
and original concept art sketch also had them on his obi

[green crater]

Dedede, the og Kirby parallel 🥰

I love that concept art, he so goober

[toxic delta]

oh yeah and even back then, he spits you out after inhaling you
as a Star Bullet even

[green crater]

Dummy /affectionate

[toxic delta]

think Block Ball was first game to have him spit you out as not a star bullet (and DL3 main series-wise)

[ocean ingot]

Now see, if i were Dedede, i just wouldn't have done the attacks that drop Drop Stars

[dusky steppe]

So, I saw people saying “the meteor looks like the Jamba Heart” and I was like yes but it’s blue and all meteor like I didn’t get what they meant

But I slowed down the trailer after all the blue stuff had broken off

[green crater]

They mean it's heart shaped

[dusky steppe]

No but like if you slow down the trailer and look at it after the blue stuff breaks off it’s literally the Jamba Heart purple and all

Where can I post a picture

[vagrant hound]

#important-information

[dusky steppe]

Thanks!

[dusky steppe]

See?

When all the blue breaks off that’s straight up a JambaHeart

IF WE GET THE JAMBASTION

[signal garnet]

Same wow

[twin fog]

This looks nothing like the jamba heart outside of having a purple glow though
Like you can clearly see its the same heart design in the render and map which looks nothing like a Jamba Heart

The actual interesting thing is that when the blue crystals shatter off of the heart you can actually see purple crystal heart pieces stuck to the blue crystals that do in fact look like the Jamba Heart

Here, the actual heart looks nothing like the Jamba Heart but you can see a broken purple crystal heart attached to the blue crystal on the left

Its like a weird ass matryoshka doll of the new black-tendrils-around-glowing-red-core heart that was stuck inside the purple crystal Jamba Heart-looking heart that was turned blue from these blue star-crystals attached to it

[acoustic sage]

It's interesting that it was heart-shaped to begin with

You'd figure it'd either be star-shaped or not look like anything in particular

[shrewd oracle]

It's the next hero of yore

Rolling turtle

[fading tartan]

need new star crossed world news... its been one week... /J

IM HONESTLY ALREADY SATISFIED- THIS IS BETTER THAN THE WAIT BETWEEN RTDL DX AND ITS RELEASE

do you know how grueling it was to have the only footage be its reveal trailer for 3 AND A HALF MONTHS!!!

[green crater]

May heaven have mercy on our souls

[signal garnet]

really is the strat
i really respect that in dream land 1, if you're too high dedede will jump up to hit you with his hammer, but unlike every later game pulls his hammer back so it doesn't create a drop star when he lands

a strat dedede has only ever recreated in later games...when he's playable lmao

[signal garnet]

i love how people talk about the jambastion like it has something to do with the jamba hearts directly and not a really annoying fanclub void didn't ask for

[wise flame]

Very Jamba adjacent nonetheless... A heart in the middle of overarching spikes, with some crystal elements-

...Overarching spikes... with... crystal elements...

[signal garnet]

they do have a point, it looks more like star dream lol im still calling it a jamba heart though

[wise flame]

https://tenor.com/view/galacta-knight-appearance-hello-chat-gif-14181704075921672318

[acoustic sage]

Given all the theories and supposed evidence towards stuff like Galacta Knight, The Jamba Heart and Another Dimension, it makes me wonder if this could possibly be centred around Another Dimension in general

Giving us some more insight into it

[signal garnet]

everything, in the series, being tied to another dimension:

that is to say

yes

[acoustic sage]

After all, Kirby did go through a star-shaped portal and went through what definitely looks like Another Dimension

[wise flame]

also the crystals and the new enemy follow a strict colorscheme of...

Cyan, Magenta, Blue, Teal

The exact same colors used in Galacta's arena in Ultra

[signal garnet]

i just realized that saying galacta knight has something to do with crystls would literally be like saying han solo has something to do with carbonite

[acoustic sage]

Perhaps this meteor appearing was a consequence of one of the portals Forgo/Elfilis opened

[signal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/carbonite-freezing-sleepy-wild-k9-gif-10944159511707933243

[wise flame]

Disclaimer: We have yet to see teal in use

[obtuse berry]

sectonia is the one coming back actually since she fits the hearts and crystals theme

[toxic delta]

I mean this has no real crystal elements other than GK himself having been in one

(no the hexagons do not count, they don't look crystally (are more like rocks) and only really fit their own motif; and we do see real crystals in Super Star (Ultra) so it can't be style thing either)

[toxic delta]

also tbf this goes for most crystals in the series (also the Star-Crossed World crystals do have more to them, rainbowy stuff too)

even the basic ones show (greenish) yellow, while breakable ones are blue-green and Starryflowers are Rare Stone-esque (which is to say, warm) rainbowy colors

green also appears in the midboss-like enemy's flower-ish crystal move

anyway, even if it was blue and pink, that's sort of a common color combination in the series even beyond with other crystals (hell, even Kirby himself has both even if the blue is eyes-only!), so it doesn't really point towards anything specifically

Sectonia also has pink gem (with yellow shine) in Gold Rod and (blue-)green gem (similar to breakable crystals in particular) in Silver Rod
clearly this means that Sectonia wil-

(oh also the gem platforms in Royal Road Stage 5 are blue, green, purple (with pinkish glow), and magenta (all with yellow parts on the bottom) btw lol)

[high widget]

green is jsut a good color

[toxic delta]

all colors are good :)

[toxic delta]

oh yeah, it's also just sort of associated with Another Dimension a bit in general (including in the portion (of what seems to be it) that we see in Star-Crossed)
though stuff usually leans more towards purple than magenta there usually

you know I forgot even the title card/logo used the four-pointed star symbol (along with some of another dimension-associated ones)

got Dimension Meteor-like stuff too

[arctic gale]

True!!

[ocean ingot]

Maybe it isn't Another Dimesion but wherever the Treasure Roads are (if those don't take place in AD)

[toxic delta]

also I said this forgetting that even the villain of base FL, Forgo/Elfilis is already associated with (greenish) blue, pink/purple and yellow lmao

[toxic delta]

Treasure Roads are almost certainly related yeah

[ocean ingot]

I'm seeing people talking about hexagons, where are the hexagons?

[toxic delta]

and Forgo Dreams has implications to be related to Another Dimension as well (but we don't know exactly in what way it is)

[toxic delta]

for GK talk earlier? literally just

[ocean ingot]

Ohhh

I was gonna say, the logo for Treasure Roads have a lot of hexagons, plus the whole floor is hexagon shapes

Plus, the Forbidden Island Treasure Roads have a black, gray, and red color scheme, not too dissimilar to the heart in the key art

[toxic delta]

hexagons are really just common motif in general, yeah
Star-Crossed World already has them with stage icon stuff
Another Dimension stuff has had them more before too, like there's Magolor Soul (and Magolor EX) magic circle one, and the floor of the bottom of Another Dimension breaking into them after the Magolor fights (though those are sort of loose, wouldn't be surprised if there's something I'm forgetting)

[shut pendant]

they should make a boss like miracle matter but it's hexagons instead of triangles

...actually i don't think that's possible

damn

[green crater]

If you allow some pentagons, I think you get a soccer ball shape

[arctic gale]

hmmmmm

[arctic gale]

shape jumpscare hehe

[green crater]

Lol

[toxic delta]

already hexagon-shaped from the side, what more could you need

[sudden oracle]

The final boss of Face Raiders

[twin fog]

I love when you can just hear composer moments that weren't intended as references like how they accidentally made Welcome Your New Overlord sound like The World to Win in Settling a Score

[random tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/182899928140480512/581510386868682752/shithumb.png?ex=6807bbc0&is=68066a40&hm=03a6f2b24fb04688c6bd71331a624ac923c4861af4252cfe7b9ddb795a3e0005&

[sudden oracle]

Kirby hexagon compilation

[random tendon]

evolution of hexagon floors in kirby games

[toxic delta]

we need a post-FL and RtDL DX update....

[sudden oracle]

Banger video

[twin fog]

Funny accidental leitmotifs
https://youtu.be/825nZJ0sPj0?t=57
https://youtu.be/2e9_NN3x_eM?t=124

[sudden oracle]

I just realized…

T-POSING STARRY IN THE THUMBNAIL

[toxic delta]

extend it to every hexagon
we must document Marx's wings, Zero-Two's wings, Magolor Soul magic rings, Sectonia's Hypernova phase's shield, Void Termina's Angel Form wings-

[toxic delta]

lmao

[sudden oracle]

Wait a minute double realization

What if we get a new form of Galacta Knight called…

STARRY KNIGHT

OMG I PREDICTED IT

🤯

[toxic delta]

Star-Crossed World music also has lot of vocal/chorus stuff
the (probably accidental) Sectonia connections keep piling up lmao

[sudden oracle]

This would be perfect tho seriously

Perfect name

[acoustic sage]

Going from galaxies to stars

What a downgrade...

[sudden oracle]

Lolll

[toxic delta]

and I said Morphlora would be perfect name for Epilogue Morpho
(it didn't happen, at all)

[sudden oracle]

Starry Knight, starry night

[toxic delta]

really in general people speculating about Galacta again reminds me so much of the Morpho-Galacta RtDL DX prerelease copium lmao

[green crater]

It's just tradition at this point

[ocean ingot]

I remember there was a point in the Abandoned Beach SCW video that i kept almost hearing Four Adventurers: Cookie Country lol

[signal garnet]

wait yeah there's absolutely no crystal elements their lmao

also
the SSU planet has nothing to do with galacta knight himself
even if the reference was intention it could just be a reference to the motif of the area and not galacta knight

[toxic delta]

yeah true, that too

at least no direct relation that we know of

[lean grove]

i too can watch youtube on the switch

[tacit saffron]

there's hexagons in the challenge stages

for the platforms

and in the background for Mecha's

but that's to do with aesthetic

[wise flame]

-# nevermind I'll bring up game card implications when I'm not doing this near midnight

[tacit saffron]

oh don't forget in the Heart of Star Dream section there are hexagons in the background and they appear on the heart itself!

[signal garnet]

Starries arr always tposing

[fading tartan]

sneers at you... grr

[shut pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX--SIQ4kTw watching this vod right now, basically failboat's theory is that we're not gonna be fighting galacta knight, but instead one of the other heroes who sealed void termina

[acoustic sage]

Interesting...

Still not used to him having a full beard

[toxic delta]

this assumes there will be time-travel shenanigans or they're still alive
but tbh hard to really tell if villain here is really even the plotting/super sentient-type so far

[shut pendant]

and also pointed out how the divine terminus also has similar curved spikes to galacta knight's kssu arena and the fallen-star volcano

[arctic gale]

that'd be a pretty interesting outcome!

[toxic delta]

also tbh while I think fight could start here similar to Ethereal Altar, I doubt it will actually be here anyway

[shut pendant]

https://youtu.be/SX--SIQ4kTw?si=SItRInH3upWKA6Mo&t=2938 wait he's kinda cooking

[arctic gale]

wait i need to watch this what is that crazy theory corkboard

[toxic delta]

really in general I think there might be light connections to GK and the like but will mostly be its own thing
think people are forgetting what kind of game FL is

(people are also forgetting this exact cycle happened for Epilogue lmao)

[arctic gale]

when in fan theory doubt its always a knight

Wheres my D-mind theorists at...

[shut pendant]

what's left to theorize about king d-mind

[toxic delta]

hell, down to the crystal stuff
pink crystal = GK right...?

[signal garnet]

honestly you could do more with that than you could do with galacta knight
galacta knight doesn't have much room for now bombshells anymore without pulling something completely out of left field unless you really stretch your brain cells
another one of the heroes of yore, assuming they actually want to expand on who they are, is much more fitting, and fits more of "FL doesn't really reuse old content, but it does give you more of a perspective on existing stuff eg. soul bosses)

but even then

[arctic gale]

He'll become real

[toxic delta]

anyway will always point out how there's way more connections to Sectonia than GK
does it likely mean anything? no
is it funny? yeah

[signal garnet]

still seems way to unconnected to FL

and makes you wonder where the crystals fit in

[toxic delta]

oh yeah people also forget crystals are basically a motif at this point and lot of them are associated with another dimension anyway

hell FL already had crystals
it's called Rare Stones

[signal garnet]

because again let me remind you
galacta knight has never once used an attack that is even arguably CLOSE to a crystal attack, just that he's sealed in one (because that's just the coolest transparent tthing to seal a character in)

[toxic delta]

though here the crystals are usually blue instead of the Rare Stone's warm colors (but there is already instances of that being used, too)

[signal garnet]

the ideal final boss for SCW would be something that ties into why the crystals are appearing everywhere, and ties into FL so it makes sense why this has literally anything to do with FL

gala's cool but i wish i saw more people spending energy theorizing about that, but it's mostly on one theory (regardless of what that one theory is)

[toxic delta]

yeah there's Jamba Heart appearing in SKC Time-Border Great Slash Flash, but that's it
and he's not making or even really summoning it or anything obviously, it's just similar to how Lor appears in RBP version

[toxic delta]

yeah, also not many theories on what penultimate boss stuff will be
still betting on Crystal Carol

or really about other bosses in general

[toxic delta]

#1357065850951041247 message anyway
there's also bit of four-pointed star effects in her first fight too, especially starting with 2nd phase
and there's vocal stuff in her music (mainly Moonstruck Blossom and of course Eternal Dream), with vocal stuff seeming prominent in Star-Crossed

[tulip coral]

ultrby7457#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

crystals like gems (and could be reflective like mirrors too)
flower motifs
hearts
four-point things (Sectonia Flowereds)
infective(?)
constellations (Royal Road Stage 5 background moment), and of course stars
(also TDX is like stuff like Snow Queen fairy tale so you could use that too for very loose ice connection, but lol)

Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Apr 7, 2025, 3:14 AM

[toxic delta]

oh, and can't forget about portals connection, that too
(Warp Holes moment)

(and slight Another Dimension stuff in TDX, but that barely counts)

would be funny to make an actual list of everything

[shut pendant]

omg the four pointed star was on the ferris wheeL!!!!

[toxic delta]

there's four-pointed star decal stuff in Wondaria in general
and some other areas have it too iirc

[signal garnet]

putting your eggs in one basket is the word im looking for

[toxic delta]

moments

(well latter is Crossing Wondaria but it's the same things)

[ocean ingot]

He will escape your tv with ✨ 3D Effects! ✨ (Dark Magic)

[signal garnet]

pfft
i saw someone say electric guitars in ost = gk, which 1 they arent even the guitars used in the same way
but the fact the moonstruck blossom also has the vocals, making it point to sectonia yet again is hilarious lol

[shut pendant]

https://youtu.be/SX--SIQ4kTw?si=-VpEmxgDh0o-_db2&t=3906 okay this is just hilarious

[ocean ingot]

I thought you just kept putting the same link over and over 😭

[signal garnet]

same lmao

rhv use the clip feature

[ocean ingot]

Only now do i realize it's timestamped 😭

[signal garnet]

heck if you really wanted to to squint your eyes, it would be more incharacter for sectonia to trap tiny creatures than gk

[toxic delta]

guitars aren't even in bit of the songs so far (or aren't the main instruments)
but either way, wanna know who else is associated with guitars? Sectoni-
(Dirty & Beauty/Faded & Flower moment)

[ocean ingot]

Ooh wait Fail makes a good point, there's obviously gonna be new Treasure Roads for the new Mouthful Modes

[toxic delta]

yes, and if there's any new ability stuff, that too
real question is just, how will they handle it

will they use base game visuals and music, or new ones? hoping for the latter

[signal garnet]

if the main ones seem to have have us go deeper and deeper into forgo's dream dimensio AD thing, i wonder what a crystal treasure road would be, assuming the necessary premise is true at least

[lean grove]

HAL give me a proper in-game remix of Fly Kirby in the DLC and my life is yours

[sterile quartz]

the reason galacta is more likely is because GK was teased to come back someday while sectonia's story is like

over

ik the sectonia talk is probably a joke but still...

not trying to be mean or anything

[toxic delta]

I'm basically just saying, it's all just common motifs and it's hard to really say it is straight-up GK based on what we have

(and no matter what, it's definitely not like, GK as a villain or anything, else we would definitely know with how he acts)

like the few things we have are just very loose things that are motifs very common in modern games especially (no matter if its in relation with something else) or with another dimension in general
(and very similar discussions happened during Epilogue, and we see how that turned out; hell I'd argue there was more going for it or Morpho there)
+FL is supposed to be more of its own thing overall

[acoustic sage]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-horst-she-died-gif-17363124641954351289

[wise flame]

I wonder how SCW would perform on the Switch 1 if its game card even manages to work on it...

[toxic delta]

it will just boot Switch 1 version instead, SCW is Switch 2 Edition-only

[wise flame]

lovely

-# Wait why would you spend $80 if you already got the darn game?!

[toxic delta]

that's for people who don't have it

you just buy the Upgrade Pass if you already have it

[wise flame]

I do wonder how the Upgrade Pass would work, especially with FL+SCW apparently being smaller in filesize than OG FL

Like is the update just gonna un-download upload some file space??

[toxic delta]

it's not

it seems to be twice as large

that filesize is on upgrade pass page, not on anything on its own

and bit of the other upgrade pass pages for other games seem to suggest that too

mind you, it's not the confirmed 'final' filesize anyway, so it could end up smaller

[wise flame]

Very confusing ngl

(Confusing as in the fact that the information is not super accessible rn)

https://store-jp.nintendo.com/item/software/D70050000056655

oh god

God there's so much misinformation and omission with the Switch 2 stuff like-
what do you mean that's the file size for the EXPANSION?!

[toxic delta]

it is the Upgrade Pass page

アップグレードパス

[wise flame]

Yes

[twin fog]

Oh have they finally explicitly confirmed the 5.7gb is just the size of the expansion

[wise flame]

(this has been a thing since april 4th or ealier)

Oh wait what

[toxic delta]

no but there's no reason to think it's the opposite rn (and everything points to it being separate)
it's definitely not less than base FL at least

[wise flame]

Ok let's see what FL+SCW filesize is

[twin fog]

Still doesn't really indicate that

[lean grove]

finally they've confirmed the switch 2 data is so unoptimized that they accidentally just doubled the original game's filesize without adding the downloadable content

[vagrant hound]

必要な容量(予定) (そうなるとは言ってない)

[wise flame]

OK so the whole game plus SCW doesn't have file size yet

Yeah it's still subject to change but like

If it stays roughly around that size then oh god

[lean grove]

I assume the main reason for file size matching the main game's could be including upscaled textures to replace the main game's textures as well

after all it is a full upgrade pack

[wise flame]

yes

[lean grove]

textures are the main reason for large file sizes after all

data on its own is very small in comparison

[random tendon]

oh you do have a point

I was wondering why it would be so big but that does make sense

[toxic delta]

unless you think TotK Switch 2 Edition not on its own is also 3.6GB

[wise flame]

Well shit that means like 25% of this scary single digit number is just refurbishing already existing assets...

[toxic delta]

they are also adding a lot it seems

[twin fog]

Oh did they finally release sizes for the BotW and TotK upgrades
nice

[toxic delta]

always been there yeah

[twin fog]

Wow sure is convenient they've always been there yet no one's ever brought them up then

[toxic delta]

I did

it's just https://store-jp.nintendo.com/item/software/D70050000056483

#1357065850951041247 message moment

[tulip coral]

ultrby7457#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

https://store-jp.nintendo.com/item/software/D70050000056483

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Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Apr 11, 2025, 1:31 PM

[wise flame]

Why are they region locking file sizes?!

[twin fog]

Alright nice

[toxic delta]

I mean US eShop/sites straight up just does not have a page yet (for SCW anyway)

[lean grove]

because NoA only has the initiative to reveal information if they do it accidentally

[toxic delta]

idk why Australian one doesn't list anything though at least

[twin fog]

I mean the JP FL page doesn't even have the size for the Switch 1 version

[toxic delta]

it's right here
https://store-jp.nintendo.com/item/software/D70010000046404

[twin fog]

bro what the fuck I literally checked this page like a minute ago and it was not there 😭

[toxic delta]

you probably looked at physical version one lol

[twin fog]

I can't even click on the physical version its grayed out for me

[toxic delta]

oh right, I'm thinking of physical Switch 2 one
why is the site like this

why does Switch 2 physical have a page but not Switch 1 lmao

[twin fog]

I don't know but anyway I need them to make Elfilis's skybox higher quality that shit is so low quality

[toxic delta]

oh is it not just background blur

[twin fog]

Blurry ass texture

[toxic delta]

oh wack

looks like someone just smeared the top half 😭

[twin fog]

Do you think they'll straight up replace any models

[lean grove]

probably not tbh

you get a lot more visible gains in improving textures than improving model quality

[toxic delta]

if they did, it wouldn't be for just making it higher quality reasons yeah

but I think they want to keep most things intact, most I could see changing is some Forgo Dreams stuff (to line more up with how SCW is being treated)

but likely wouldn't be full model replacement if they do it at all

personally I'm just hoping they put a few new remixes in it (like for Kirby Dance and results theme)

[signal garnet]

1. sectonia having something of note in every modern game and being arguably the most fleshed out medern antagonist other than magolor who's debatably a main character at this point:
2. everyone always points to that line, which is funny since i always just took it as it alluding to the other times we fight him and this happens first, i mean, he's dressed in much older looking clothing, we seem him get sealed away, the entire game is set during medieval times. heck, wouldn't that imply that the people in the clash universe will see him again rather than anything else?

i always say

"but sectonia died"
galacta died
"just use time travel"
couldn't you justify anyone that way???

inb4 fecto forgo came back because time dilation /j

[toxic delta]

I mean for the latter it's moreso just, we knew he would come back eventually anyway, his whole thing is time-space shenanigans lmao
just, that could also be whenever

even for characters that are very much treated as dead though they always leave the possibly of them coming back (though for Sectonia, they said it was too early to bring her back in SA (but that ignores Sectonia Clone beforehand in RBP too lmao))

[sterile quartz]

Sectonia didn’t have anything of note in forgotten land, and not any more than say, nightmare in RTDLDX.

Something something GK animations always flow into themselves except SSU, meaning SKC has to be after them.

Galacta is implied to be immortal, sectonia distinctly isn’t.

[toxic delta]

either way, again, I think they're gonna do something more original for SCW, just like how base FL was

[sterile quartz]

Yeah fair, I also just think 4th cup GK fight is more reasonable than 4th cup sectonia

[signal garnet]

Sectonia didn’t have anything of note in forgotten land, and not any more than say, nightmare in RTDLDX.
exactly, which is proof there will be something of note for galacta knight sectonia in the dlc!!!

[toxic delta]

oh yeah I do think there's very good chance of him appearing in Cup (RtDL (DX)-style), but I doubt he will be SCW specifically villain or final boss

[signal garnet]

ignore the crossed out part

[sterile quartz]

Doubt

[toxic delta]

(also I never said Sectonia was actually more likely, just its funny how many motifs stuff shares)

[signal garnet]

yeah lol

[signal garnet]

(the joke is people say the same thing for galacta knight lol)

[signal garnet]

also i mean
on the last point, just even im immortal if a guy teleports me to the afterlife, doing so possibly because im immortal, i'd still be in the afterlife, otherwise it wouldn't work at all at least

[toxic delta]

also GK has never really been said to be immortal, just space-time shenanigans are always going on anyway so it barely matters lmao

[signal garnet]

yeah lol

[toxic delta]

but I bet he could still be summoned in afterlife, whether it be in Yomi or somewhere else

though more likely is just them summoning him from some other point in time before

[signal garnet]

oh yeah that's fair

also because there's space time shenanigans you can't really point to him being in the state he was in ultra to say clash didn't happen before (or after), especially since he explodes and his wings fall off in ultra lol

[toxic delta]

he'll be fine, he'll just respawn

or he'll float in space forever, that'd work too lol

imagine he just gets summoned with no weapons or wings or anything
fist fight

[signal garnet]

absolute cinema

[signal garnet]

omg yes we could get a new results theme please

[acoustic sage]

He's just as, if not somehow even more, strong

[ocean ingot]

So there's the whole time dilation with the Forgotten Land right? Imagine being left on Popstar only for a giant rift to appear seconds or minutes after the first one

Burning Leo, in the corner, hyperventilating after the horrid scene, only for another to appear out of nowhere

[signal garnet]

Forgo: EWWWW YOU'RE NOT HOTHEAD, AWAY, I HAVE NO USE FOR YOU

[toxic delta]

that one basically already happens in base game lol
hard to tell when exactly SCW will be though (if there's chance of anything happening there)

[toxic delta]

in base game it's funny though since like, the second one is with Elfilis trying to make Pop Star collide with New World

I doubt they'll top that lmao

[ocean ingot]

They'll make Pop Star and the New World collide with Halcandra!!!

[vagrant hound]

Landia shows up and saves the day

[tacit saffron]

now what if we just add one more to the mix

[shut pendant]

[tepid burrow]

For some funny reason. I predicted the Spring Mouthful Mode In One Of My Drawings.

[tacit saffron]

the game itself predicted it

[tepid burrow]

At the intro, right!

[signal garnet]

THAT'S what they reminded me of

i was thinking of how NiDL's mountains look

[tacit saffron]

it all comes back

one way or another

[tacit saffron]

you know he did say that the core of the twisted fallen star heart looked like an eyeball

he just forgot which one it belonged to

[wild rune]

How is Failbiat cooking btw

[ocean ingot]

Failboat too has succumbed to the Galacta Knight fan club 😔

Although he did have the theory about Kirby Car from that one trailer for the og game, so Failboat is obviously always correct

[shut pendant]

[ocean ingot]

Also really random thing, but these two shots most definitely happen right next to each other ingame. You can even see the second shot's gabon in the first shot. Likely the very first bit of the Crystal Redgar level, I love the fact that they're using the highways that stretched throughout the background

[thorny fulcrum]

This is so beautiful what the fuck

Where is this from

[high widget]

nightmare in dream land

[ocean ingot]

Bandee

[olive coral]

it's so cool

[tacit saffron]

yummy corrupted heart

or is it really "corrupted"?

[vital lodge]

When you unlock the Ultimate Cup Z, the Colosseum reaches Three Stars.
If Star Crossed World gets a new Cup, the Colosseum would reach Four Stars. But wouldn't it be odd if they stopped at "Four" and not Five?

That's obviously not going to happen, but a part of me thinks we're getting two new Cups in Star Crossed World. The first one would simply focus on the new DLC's bosses, while the second and final one would be a mashup of all the postgame bosses in the game, Phantom and Crystal bosses included together.

and I think it makes somewhat sense if Star Crossed World can be beaten before completing Isolated Isles. So if Ultimate Cup Z was Isolated Isles' boss rush, Star Crossed World would get its own boss rush. And for those who beat both postgame boss rushes, a new ultimate boss rush would unlock.

[toxic delta]

could also do special symbols instead of the stars for the new stuff

four-pointed stars and/or a crown, maybe

[signal garnet]

Why is 4 stars any odder than 3 or 5 stars?

[acoustic sage]

Because it's an even number

Even numbers for these kinds of things just don't feel right

[signal garnet]

Huh

[shut pendant]

oh true

[turbid nexus]

On that topic of Colosseum redesigns I’m going to bet the fourth cup insignia is going to be platinum
Would fit with the ranking system lol

[acoustic sage]

Maybe the swords also change at some point

[toxic delta]

could also be Crystal
(or a mix of both)

[acoustic sage]

Crystal would be the fifth probably

[shut pendant]

yeah what if they add 2 new cups

one for just the crystal bosses and one for the forgo dreams AND crystal bosses similar to the true arena in krtdld

[vital lodge]

plus the fifth one could have the true superbosses like Morpho EX and Crystal Elfilis

[twin fog]

I can't imagine they have enough bosses for a full cup with just crystal bosses, then again ig if its not the like ultimate cup (heh) of the game then having a like ~6 boss cup like MK cup again wouldnt be too weird ig

[signal garnet]

yeah i don't think a full cup is happening

plus with how they tried to explain diagetically ucz and stuff

plus you wouldn't just be like plopping a simple master crown into the roster with minimal changes

you'd have to deal with chaos elfilis too

which feels weird

[turbid nexus]

Knowing them if they ever did this we'd probably get a completely new form for Elfilis lmao

[twin fog]

me staring at Ultimate Cup existing
But again like there's dozens of simple explanations they can use to justify a new harder elfilis variant from a boring 'its an elfilis from another dimension' to the crystal or heart or whatever possessing elfilin to become a new elfilis-like boss

[vital lodge]

I don't know why many of you guys here think that Elfilis isn't getting a new form in this DLC

Magolor 2nd phase has three versions. Void has three versions. Elfilis is totally getting a new version

Yes, he was officially defeated forever in the Ultimate Cup Z, but the Kirby multiverse is real

[toxic delta]

thing is, FL is more story-tied

again I think Crystal Elfilin is more likely than Elfilis

[obtuse berry]

It'll actually be a sparring match against elfilin who has the same moves as elfilis w/ the only difference is that elfilin has a much smaller hitbox

[twin fog]

Kirby pissing and crying as Elfilin becomes the Kirby with masamune meme but canon

[vital lodge]

Elfilin with Chaos Elfilis' powers, further powered up by the Crystals' power, now this is a powerscaler's paradise

[vagrant hound]

MAGOLOR

[shut pendant]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/371216 chaos elfilin yeahhhh

the creature

[toxic delta]

totally accurate design sketch (totally not made in like 5 seconds)

[shut pendant]

omg his ears are like butterfly wings

[shut pendant]

beautiful

[vital lodge]

this is so cool

[toxic delta]

yeah, Chaos Elfilis's ears have always been moth-like

[toxic delta]

(and yes, his tail is Antares)

[sterile quartz]

As much as I’d like this I doubt they’re making two cups

[vital lodge]

very very unlikely that it happens, of course. Still, I think there's also a non-zero chance it happens.

Perhaps instead of having 12 bosses it would only have 8, but with cherries instead of tomatoes as healing items. While the fifth cup would have Soul Melter EX's healing items in the Rest Room, and around 20 rounds.

[sterile quartz]

All of this is assuming the tier 3 relights aren’t flat upgrades

[ocean ingot]

Pls Hal labs, give us an aerial fight in space like this one music video and my life is yours 🙏🙏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=836&v=kxdUhduD3Og

Dragoon would have been so cool if it appeared in Forgotten Land

[wise flame]

Oh fuck guys ok here me out

Chaos Elfilis

...

Chaos Emerald

[heady ravine]

That remix goes insanely hard.

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-forgotten-land-mod-gif-26287755

[wise flame]

BTW banger finale, can SCW top it off?

[signal garnet]

^yeah
you can't really go the magolor route, it'd kinda be the only thing in the game that does for once
elfilis isn't that likely have much stake in this story and throwing it in basically only just because "their the final boss" is kinda...
the fact that magolor was their first modern final boss kinda...shows... you can dodge 90% of his attacks by standing in a corner so in an anniversary title dedicated to doing the first one again with modern knowledge it makes sense. also also, krtdl did not have a true final boss. magolor was more taking advantage of a really good oppertunity that was never taken and is easy to explain in story without copouts, elfilis could be bending over backwards in order to make a theoretical game structure make sense assuming they're related to this conflict in the first place
chaos elfilis is already the ultimate culmination of their themes, the proposal here is just slapping a crystal on it inorder to make it fit with the conclusion

like it's not impossible, but it's not as simple as going "what about magolor"

[toxic delta]

also, FL already technically goes beyond Soul

Fecto-Soul-Chaos
just you don't directly fight Soul

going beyond Soul is already a relatively new thing anyway

[wise flame]

-# I mean the butterfly already beat the soul for us

[toxic delta]

yeah as I said, you just don't directly fight Soul

it's basically just slightly combined with Forgo Leon and Morpho

[heady ravine]

I don't really want another Elfilis fight. I love Chaos Elfilis so much already.

[signal garnet]

same

[heady ravine]

Thematically it's the end of that arc and it does it so well, as well as just being an amazing fight.

[broken void]

I'm not wholly opposed to the idea of "crystal elfilis" that I saw proposed earlier. Aka very specifically not elfilis (so it's not retconning the closure that fight gave us on their arc)

Would be a solid option if they really do want to give us the rtdldx magolor soul/AB void equivalent at the end of this true arena

[toxic delta]

but Crystal Elfilin would be cooler

[broken void]

True?

[toxic delta]

#1357065850951041247 message moment

[tulip coral]

ultrby7457#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

totally accurate design sketch (totally not made in like 5 seconds)

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Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Apr 23, 2025, 4:03 PM

[broken void]

Oh that's pretty

What was your rationale behind elfilin being more likely out of curiosity. Like what do you see occurring in the story?

[toxic delta]

make meteor hit him >:)

[broken void]

Real

[toxic delta]

then make him run away into the Colosseum or something idk
or he gets hit while in the final round of the new cup, either one works

latter also makes new cup Elfilin torture machine

[acoustic sage]

I guess another Arena-only Elfilis fight could work if it's more of a sparring match like Meta Knight's

Since Elfilin is whole again now and all

[broken void]

Kirby turns around and looks at Elfilin.
"I want to throw down."
"Huh? Kirby, what are you saying?"
"I said I WANT TO THROW DOWN."
"YOU WANT TO THROW DOWN?
"YEAH I WANT TO THROW DOWN"
"OH I'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO THROW DOWN" extracts themselves from Elfilin's soul just to fight Kirby again

[heady ravine]

lmaoooo

[twin fog]

Chaos Elfilin figure description that matches Morpho Knight EX's SA description

[hushed root]

need more videos like this

for some reason didnt even register that this dudes healthbar is hidden i wonder what its name is

[thorny fulcrum]

Bandana Dee being there confirms that the new Dee is not Bandana Dee

[turbid nexus]

God it’s so weird cause like
For all we know he could just be a giant enemy and not have a health bar
Like you can seemingly go around him in the Abandoned Beach stage but like
His attacks drop stars too so

[hushed root]

I NEED TO KNOW

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174518608186052842/1364696951383134330/speed.gif?ex=680a9c94&is=68094b14&hm=65155760a68a9026028df3bb27b0c6af2d0094c05691bee4db17f781844881ca&

[signal garnet]

OH TRUE PROB

[green crater]

If nothing else, it looks like attacking it breaks off the outer layer of crystals. So that would serve similar to a health bar by showing progress

[lean grove]

I still think they're hiding that this is a midboss with a new copy ability

or at the very least, something they haven't revealed yet

it feels like they disabled the stuff that would normally appear to avoid revealing it too early

[turbid nexus]

Oh forgot about that

Which I shouldn’t have considering my pfp

[hushed root]

am i so crazy for thinking this looks like wings chat

[acoustic sage]

Only kind of

[green crater]

It's kinda got a vibe like when Elfilis curls up into a ball

[signal garnet]

it is interesting how it's curled in itself

[signal garnet]

honestly kinda gives me abilityless energy for some reason

[lean grove]

even if it was abilityless the fact they're hiding the name is pretty sus

[turbid nexus]

We’re gonna fight this thing aren’t we

[sand patrol]

https://vxtwitter.com/Ric_buuut/status/1914209594378698915

🧱Ric🧱 (@[email protected])

GANG!!

I HAVE A GAME THEORY https://t.co/urb9O1ABeQ

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 21, 2025, 6:48 AM

people are starting to wake up

[signal garnet]

people are starting to have literally more than 1 prediction about this game!

[sand patrol]

this is like the third time GALACTA KNIGHT REAL has been the theory

im not falling for this chicanery

[signal garnet]

mima joke here

[acoustic sage]

I somewhat doubt that all this will have a direct connection to Elfilis

Most I could see is that Elfilis and the Starries actually come from the same place, and are distantly related

[toxic delta]

moreso would be to Elfilin

perhaps younger form of him if anything

[acoustic sage]

Isn't Elfilin already a younger form?

[toxic delta]

yes

but he's a kid, not like a baby or anything

[acoustic sage]

Unless this is like LARVAL larval

[signal garnet]

plus it'd explain how this connects to FL

[toxic delta]

btw is worth noting the antlers resemble the crystal vine formations things around, whatever that means lol

[acoustic sage]

Oh yeah speaking of that

#1357065850951041247 message What the fuck

[tulip coral]

levichou#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

......

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Quoted by adamthechao#0 • [801893807423488010] · Apr 3, 2025, 8:43 PM

[signal garnet]

(even i dont think the connection is going to be thats direct personally)

[acoustic sage]

Why is this PINNED

[toxic delta]

tbf we also have portal/Another Dimension shenanigans already lmao

[signal garnet]

don't think about it

[signal garnet]

oh true!

funny forgo's treasures

[toxic delta]

nothing is really wrong with this, Magolor doesn't even have a confirmed age

[sand patrol]

maybe fecto forgo tried to summon more then one work force

and oopsied

[signal garnet]

honestly would've been smart

[toxic delta]

it's like, around the same level as food sharing (officially compared to kissing)

[acoustic sage]

I don't think anyone in the Kirby series really has a concrete age

[acoustic sage]

There's literally a pride flag and heart on the image

There's clearly romantic intent behind this, even if it is a shitpost

If any character were to be an adult, Magolor would be pretty damn likely

[green crater]

Ok and lol

[acoustic sage]

Look, this is all fucking stupid

[toxic delta]

see what I said, also this assumes every LGBT relationship is romantic or sexual

[signal garnet]

maybe they were smething lingering in ad for awhile

[acoustic sage]

????????????

[toxic delta]

what is there to be confused about, you said it was 'clearly romantic' yourself

[acoustic sage]

What

[green crater]

Why can't two funny portal creating sillies kiss a bit

[acoustic sage]

Huh

Yeah I did

This is pretty obviously a step beyond the mouth-to-mouth stuff

There's a love heart too and crap

[signal garnet]

--masahiro sakurai

[green crater]

You seem to be implying that's a bad thing

[toxic delta]

yeah
also, what is wrong with two minors being in romantic relationship (even if it was that)? like if there was a clear age gap or it being something more sexual or glorified then there would be a problem

[acoustic sage]

Because Elfilin is a child, and Magolor is pretty clearly an adult

Maybe not clearly but still

[toxic delta]

nothing says Magolor is an adult

[green crater]

Magolor is age unknown, pretty sure

[toxic delta]

he even uses boku yeah

not ore, boku

[green crater]

It's common to HC him as an adult, but he could easily be just a self assured dumb child

[broken void]

Hi there! I don't wanna completely ignore your concern here because I do understand it, but I think this would be a conversation better had in the modmail with @shadow dust. You can air out any issues you have with what is pinned here in that dm

As it stands the discussion here is likely gonna get to a standstill, so it's perhaps best we pivot from it

No one saw that typo

[acoustic sage]

He runs multiple businesses

[winter widget]

uh

[green crater]

Kirby works fast food

[signal garnet]

yeah it's unconfirmed age
also this kinda veering away from anything to have anything to do with scw

[twin fog]

I was gonna say like
"poisoned by fecto elfilis imagery" but yirgg basically mentioned it

[acoustic sage]

Okay not like he's a fast-food manager though

[green crater]

But yeah we were asked to drop it

[winter widget]

my art was clearly a shitpost, im sorry if that makes anyone uncomfortable.

mb

[wise flame]

SCW very much could use itself as an opportunity to explore Elfilis more

Species wise

Like, why did Elfilis want to invade? For what? Where are the others?

[vagrant hound]

you are okay levi

[acoustic sage]

I feel like if it were Elfilis & Magolor instead and I tried to argue that Magolor was a kid for some reason then y'all would be providing evidence that he's an adult but whatever moving on

[signal garnet]

we could explore another member of elfilis' species

[obtuse berry]

All of them died out for reckless portal hopping

[sand patrol]

they all showed up to other planets thinking they are hot shit

then got blowed up

[wise flame]

Doomers being implied to have looked different in the past brings up possibilities

[green crater]

Does make you wonder, are all of Elfilis's species like that? Or is Elfilis just uniquely an asshole

[signal garnet]

i don't think elf-

oh my god yeah doomers have wings

ironic since my sona is similar to both lol

but i think it's too early to meet another elf

imo

[toxic delta]

iirc it's ambig in JP right? either way always moreso leaned towards it more referring to Greater Doomers in Clash

[shut pendant]

i still like my idea that the ancients somehow turned into doomers which is why they like energy spheres because they made them

[signal garnet]

yeah that's pert of why im personally putting my cards in they're going to leave it fushigi

[shut pendant]

not really based on anything more though

[wise flame]

With the wing motif and especially Grand Doomer's marked wings, and the fact they're only found in interdimensional places... Are they essentially "lost souls" of the Eflili? That would explain their need for energy... spheres.

But, the starries are so cosmic and interdimensional. And they also got wings

Are they lost starry souls?

[toxic delta]

since that seems to be able to cross dimensions (make Dimension Holes) on their own and not go after Energy Spheres

[signal garnet]

a lot of characters work alright on their own but when you think about "what are the rest of their species like" you can kinda just tell that wasn't in mind

[wise flame]

Of course

[signal garnet]

like are they a planet conquering species or are is elfilis just asshole that acts like they are lol

[wise flame]

But sometimes it's fun to think beyond the intended obstacles they were made to be

[wise flame]

Maybe the latter? Who knows!

[signal garnet]

like how much is nature and how much is nurture

extends to other final bosses too

[shut pendant]

starries are actually orphaned lumas who didn't have rosalina as a mom

[wise flame]

Elfilis is such an unstable guy

Bro can't hold himself together, and is so bad at it one of his own pieces literally rebelled against him

His own vital organ noped out

[signal garnet]

truly is like a gooey to zero

[obtuse berry]

I'd be unstable too if I was trapped in a tube for thousands of years

[signal garnet]

i still love how you could say elfilis was canonically labotimized

[wise flame]

Of course it must be remembered that Elfilin has escaped while the Forgotten Land's people were still populating the planet... especially since it's been outright told to us prior to Leongar

[signal garnet]

since elfilin happens to represent a lot of functions of the frontal lobe

[wise flame]

Like we've spent the whole game with this toothpaste boy and not once has he said: "Oh yeah bob used to work here"

[toxic delta]

imagine being so evil the part of you that governs intelligence, reasoning, and conscience leaves you