[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[vapid kestrel]

I think they’re just gone right

Oh really? Huh

[ocean mauve]

I forgor bc I beat tdx recently and didn't use spark once

[lost briar]

they made Beam Whip smaller in TD didn't they

like just shorter range

[ocean mauve]

probably tbh

[lost briar]

i mean i guess that's the only one i can think of rn honestly

[acoustic crescent]

also revolution beam is MIA after rtdl until the remake...

[ocean mauve]

they just nerfed abilities bc they HATE having FUN

[lost briar]

i'm not really well versed on any other less obv changes

[ocean mauve]

fire spin GONE, ice ball GONE, up and down spark GONE, dash needle GONE, etc...

tho some of these came back later

fun having haters...

quad shock not working in the air for some reason

[acoustic crescent]

at least it's back in the remake tho :)

[ocean mauve]

real :3

but they didn't add down needle! the rare Good ability change from tdx...

[lost briar]

i mean needle dash attack was definitely only removed because wheel was back

[ocean mauve]

probably yeah

just makes needle feel so flat to use

[lost briar]

fair enough

[vapid kestrel]

Honestly whoever decided it was a good idea to spend a bunch of effort beautifying GK’s visual effects despite him like

||Not at all being in an important position in this game being some weird 3rd last boss in true arena||

Whoever decided that

Based af

I was so angry about Aeon Hero in SKC for like

The exact same reasons as I’m talking about here

Specifically for his lightning attack

It looked like ass in SKC it was basically just ‘the effect from rtdl but hd ig’ like goriath’s spirit bomb

And it was terrible bc like
The game had SA’s hyper quality lightning on things like electric dragon

And then gk comes in with his stupid rtdl lightning

I dunno how I feel about the solid white laser for GK’s revolution beam though

Huh ig this actually kinda looks worse than in skc

Wait what the fuck

It wasnt actually solid white in the original it had those stupid ass stripes in it like magolor’s lasers

[thin forge]

kirby boss tries not to do that sweeping laser attack that burns the floor challenge (impossible)

[vapid kestrel]

Speaking of the stupid rtdl laser I think it’s hilarious how much they redid the laser for magolor and then just said ‘nah’ to HRD3

[acoustic crescent]

i mean, it looks way better in remake tho :p

[vapid kestrel]

Its the same stupid design just in HD though

Meanwhile magolor had basically the same laser and they actually put effort into his for dx

[acoustic crescent]

also didn't noticed that "line" thing on the gk beam until now... :o

for original wii one, of course

[vapid kestrel]

I love that they basically end up showing like
The difference between just a standard old improvement and passion here

[blissful yoke]

god his laser in dx looks SO MUCH better

[vapid kestrel]

Like yea HR-D3’s is better but its like

Yea

[blissful yoke]

they didn't go AS hard

[vapid kestrel]

But magolor they cared they love him I love him

[jolly valve]

If they truly loved him, they should restock his plushies here in Japan

[blissful yoke]

final boss status also helps lmao

[jolly valve]

All Magolor plushies just disappeared from the face of the Earth since RtDL DX released lmao

[vapid kestrel]

Logically my brain is telling me this is stupid but
God it justfeels like a reference

Like its not even the same pattern so whyyyy

[faint glen]

||I mean. They arent exactly new to making attacks more difficult by making them hit the whole top and bottom||

||though at least sectonia gives you a CENTER||

[vapid kestrel]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED

i was thinking like ‘oh ig they changed the dark brown laser to like dark blue bc magolor soul vaguely looks dark blue?’

But like

No its another fucking pink/blue thing

The story mode laser is pink and the extra mode laser is blue now

[unique gyro]

They aren't new to referencing old bosses, though

see: the traditional Cutter shared by so many bosses over the years

That was a Nightmare move originally, right? But I always associated it with Marx because that was my personal first encounter with many of the boss tropes shared in common with Soul bosses

[lost briar]

i think in general RtDL probably has a ridiculous amount of move references

also no Nightmare didn't have a cutter

Marx was the first one

[unique gyro]

Huh. Then what was it that I was thinking of for an element from the Nightma-AH

THE TELEPORT SPAM

Now I remember

[lost briar]

that would be it

[unique gyro]

the important thing with attacks which bear resemblance to another is that, at least in my experience, they tend to have ever so slightly different blind spots, or mixups in attack pattern, just to throw off those who recognise what's coming

or at least, that is how it feels for me and Kumazaki-era modern Kirby

[lost briar]

anyway its like

RtDL bosses just straight up have blatant copies of previous boss moves

Lor & Magolor is like, nearly every shoot-em-up boss combined lol (Galactic Nova for the scrolling section before the fight, Nightmare's Power Orb's 4 straight and homing projectiles are directly used in the fight, EX has a move where it shoots at the screen like Zero)

[unique gyro]

Magolor Cannon is basically just like Marx's own laser

except magical circle instead of mouth beam

[viral wagon]

Quick question: Does true 100% in Kirby RTDL DX include getting all the Platinum Medals where you can achieve medals?

[austere willow]

i mean whats true 100%

[viral wagon]

||Getting the golden jukebox as well||

[austere willow]

no not really

[viral wagon]

OK

[lime acorn]

"{}"
Ah yes, the true colors of Kirby Lore

(seriously is there any way to fix this shit)

Ok so the link worked and

[prime belfry]

Already said but the idea of ||Magolor Soul being a bad end fight it's really tragic, the way the post itself mentions it is even more sad https://www.tumblr.com/desultory-novice/711107791743533056/heres-a-really-disturbing-thought-for-everyone?source=share||

[austere willow]

Crack theory the reason why Marx has so much connections with ||Master Crown is because he ate a Red Fruit and thats why he has golden wings||

crack theory supplemental: ||this is why if you give him food he becomes your ally, because it all comes back to food||

[celest grove]

this was kept in my brain rent free so I listened to Eternal Dream again and it makes too much sense

now I do actually want this

[vocal latch]

Heheheh

[celest grove]

The credits just needs translated lyrics as subtitles

just to reinforce the sad

[vocal latch]

And it'd be a fun tease to SoS

Well

"fun"

[celest grove]

Taranza will just literally kill a flower in his own mode

as a final boss

[pliant socket]

||on the not so bright side, at least he can join the 3ds games bosses as people who died in the true arena!||

[celest grove]

as his attempt to maybe revive Sectonia will just... fail disastrously

Honestly if you do a Taranza Epilogue

...frankly I cannot see him find pure happiness ever

[vocal latch]

When you see four Miracle Fruits fly away in the ending

[vocal latch]

I think him coping with it would be good enough of a finale

Bittersweet

[celest grove]

yes

that's the only way to end it

(and further reinforces Soul of Sectonia pause text in the process)

[vocal latch]

Yeah

[celest grove]

Taranza called, Sectonia can't hear it

[vocal latch]

YES

[celest grove]

and Taranza Epilogue ends with

[vocal latch]

In the ending you see four Miracle Fruits going to the sky

[celest grove]

...Taranza holding a flower

[vocal latch]

Like

The credits

[celest grove]

yeah

[vocal latch]

And BOOM Soul of Sectonia canon baby!!

[celest grove]

lol

That said I almost sort of regret that they didn't call RTDX with a subtitle like they were thinking about it

because Kirby Triple Deluxe remake would be like

oof

[vocal latch]

Triple Deluxe Z

Or Ultra Triple Deluxe

[celest grove]

Kirby Triple Deluxe Ultra

[vocal latch]

I'd like Triple Deluxe Z if they add the Deluxe/Z versions of its respective subgames

But Ultra is a nice SSU (Ultra Super Deluxe) reference

[celest grove]

I do unironically want to play the 3DS games on a big screen tho

but at the same time I want new games too

lol

[vocal latch]

Yeah lol

I'd be fine if Vanpool made the remasters or someone else

[celest grove]

But Vanpool clearly helps doing spinoffs so I'm like

[vocal latch]

Oh true

[celest grove]

in a huge dilemma

[vocal latch]

The duality of Kirby fans

[celest grove]

They can't really just port the 3DS games to Switch

[vocal latch]

Kirby: Triple Deluxe Ultra & Kirby Re: Planet Robobot vs original Spin-Offs

[celest grove]

it would look terrible

[pliant socket]

Robobot Rebooted

[celest grove]

but I do wanna see like

Taranza Epilogue

(and then actually to keep his spider trampoline move, they make him manage a second character: a living flower)

(and it's the final boss at the end)

i dunno what i am thinking

[vocal latch]

Flowered Dark Mind

[celest grove]

And then to make Taranza Epilogue more worthwhile they actually pull an Amazing Mirror in it

they make it open

[vocal latch]

Yeah!

[celest grove]

(because I dunno how you can pull the magic points stuff there)

[vocal latch]

Well

Taranza's Species leeches energy too, remember?

[celest grove]

yeah but for what

[vocal latch]

Fair lol

[celest grove]

at best maybe for a charged gauge

but Taranza would not lose any power after the events of Triple Deluxe

he's made it out fine

I almost said unscathed

but I doubt his mind was actually fine after helping Kirby killing Sectonia lol

but if Taranza Epilogue had some gimmick to it

I think an open ended world is probably the way to do it

to finally like, give an even more obvious tie to the freaking mirror

[austere willow]

I still think the ideal goal ofr a Taranza-logue is to save Peoples of the Sky

because thats easy reusable code you can put somewhere else!

[vocal latch]

Very true

Beautiful Prison already is kinda open lol

[austere willow]

and also Taranza's like legitimate redemption to the KINGDOM he PARTIALLY RULED OVER for like

idk how long

[vocal latch]

They say "for many years" iirc

[austere willow]

ya

[vocal latch]

Lmao imagine

If they made a Sectonia Epilogue instead

Well

Prologue

Typo lol

To not "spoil" her as boss, they market it like it's a new character called Joronia 😭

Imagine the ending of a Joronia Prologue showing her getting the Dimension Mirror and then transform to many hosts before being Sectonia LOL

[celest grove]

Oh yeah I guess Taranza has some redemption to do

No joke but sorta because he was just the big dum dum of Sectonia I just

consider him as nicer than Magolor by default

lol

[vocal latch]

LOL

Yeah he did do some terrible stuff probably

Good to redeem yourself

[celest grove]

I mean yeah it would make sense

but I still consider Taranza should probably also aim for his true goal in his mode

HAL clearly loves to play around with it

so, there isn't really anything better than to give it a proper conclusion

redeemed

but still bittersweet in the process

lol

[covert jasper]

Old Friend Prologue

[celest grove]

that said I'm still like

[vocal latch]

Yeah exactly

[celest grove]

Mirror World when

clearly some big shit happened

[vocal latch]

Flowered Mind

[celest grove]

and Shadow Kirby is useless

[vocal latch]

Have it be a mix of Flowered Sectonia & Dark Mind (it's Sectonia's dark thoughts) and have the flower petals be a quirky Dark Matter reference

[pliant socket]

Joronia is still a horrible name

[vocal latch]

Also make Dark Mind moon-colored instead of a sun

[celest grove]

Joronia really just reminds us that Sectonia is inspired by essentially a spider who was a hooker

[pliant socket]

"Joronia" bro think she jojora.... https://www.mariowiki.com/Jojora

[austere willow]

YES YES YES YES LET HIM GRIEVE

[vocal latch]

How about Trichonephilaclavatania

[pliant socket]

True

[vocal latch]

That's her full name

[celest grove]

I can't see Taranza's goal to ever be a success

Sectonia is dead and he has to move on

[austere willow]

its part of his character

[vocal latch]

Yeah

[austere willow]

like how Magolor's character is that hes a trickster

Taranza Must Grieve.

[celest grove]

I only expect Taranza's attempts to revive or something

to be a complete fail

[austere willow]

Imagine if it wasnt a complete fail

and its how he uses the Queen's Phantom move

but thats like

[celest grove]

Well, that's the point of his Epilogue

[austere willow]

the extent

[celest grove]

he will not completely fail at one point

[austere willow]

God imagine if we actually

finally see Taranza and Sectonia supposedly like

[celest grove]

...but it's basically Soul of Sectonia

[austere willow]

actually romantically look at each other

and then Sectonia fades away like the anime dead wife trope she is

[celest grove]

a Sectonia who has no recollection of anything

and I guess

no

worse

it's just gonna be

one picture

in the credits

[austere willow]

in any case. I love the angst

Magolor Epilogue was so

[celest grove]

the very last picture in the credits

Taranza and <Old Friend>

[austere willow]

it was so emotionally charged with something else than just adventure

[celest grove]

with a sepia tone

[vocal latch]

Kirby fans when the first cutscene starts with a fucking flashback to Team Kirby Clash Deluxe Taranza

[austere willow]

it was emotionally charged like Robobot emotionally charged with memories and melancholic minor key music

and i want more

[celest grove]

it's Ando who decided that we didn't have enough Robobot music

but yeah Taranza has to grieve

he will just receive a consolation prize

a flower

[austere willow]

i am ready for more angst in the Kirb y series!!!!!!!!!! WOOOO MORE EMOTIONAL MOMENTS OUTSIDE OF FINALE MOMENTS

[celest grove]

if anything

out of all Epilogues

I can't come up with anything about Susie

like

there's nothing about her motivations

[austere willow]

honestly my idea for her epilogue needs to be about the past

[celest grove]

While Taranza gets absolutely bullied by HAL in Star Allies

[austere willow]

her main motivation outside of being a girlboss business woman "cool beauty" is "waking him up"

[vocal latch]

And the credits show her getting to the company

[austere willow]

And i think Susie isthe perfect character to explore the past, in contrast to her futuristic endeavours

[vocal latch]

Plus it fits with Robobot's theme of Memories

[celest grove]

so like, out of all the characters, Susie is the one where they have to make up a lot of stuff

[austere willow]

She'd be the first person to actually like

have common sense

like Magolor has it sure but like

[celest grove]

While Taranza is like, we absolutely know what he wants after the events of Triple Deluxe

[vocal latch]

Mfw all the bosses are just Holo Defense API holograms back as full bosses

[austere willow]

Susie is actually like smart in a sarcastic way that just shows how much shes been through as a person "in the industry"

like "You probably don't even know what im talking about"

"I guess the Mother Computer isn't perfect after all..."

[celest grove]

We don't even know what she even thinks of her father

aside from wanting to get him to his senses

[austere willow]

thats exactly what her new mode should be

[celest grove]

but after that...?

[austere willow]

To actually find out what she was thinking, why she made this plan, and possibly how the rest of the more... capitalistic/business-minded civilziations of the Kirby universe work

cuz like

Taranza and Magolor? theyre fantasy, they have kingdoms to call home

[celest grove]

and then her mode is actually a full business mode

[vocal latch]

Imagine the mode is called "Susie's Memories" LOL

[austere willow]

Susie is from a future where people wouldve supposedly lived like how we do

I think that in of itself is interesting enough to be a mode I think

[celest grove]

and then we get a random New World glimpse and we will all lose our minds

[vocal latch]

Kirby fans when they see Susie enter the New World at the end of Susielogue and then they announce a FL sequel

[austere willow]

I need to get the robobot translation thingo but like

"A startup company will pay top dollar for this!"

is such a fucking statement

THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES???

[celest grove]

To be honest Robobot Deluxe would probably get better text

better reflecting what Kuma was saying on Miiverse

So far since FL they definitely tried to translate better

[austere willow]

LIKE .

OTHGER COMPANIES????

WHAT D O YOU MEAN BY OTHER COMPANIES

[vocal latch]

Susie Prologue when they show Susie hired by another company to serve as a spy

[celest grove]

and one of them is freaking Alivel

[vocal latch]

Lightron Works Company

[austere willow]

kaialone's also says Other Company

[celest grove]

it's certainly easier if translators will actually have full fucking context for text

[vocal latch]

「他の カンパニー」(hoka no kanpanī)

yeah it's 100% that

Just don't know if it's singular or plural

I think

[covert jasper]

funny japanese with no clear difference between singular and plural

it could be either

[celest grove]

The localized sentence isn't totally wrong here when you don't have the full context to it

they just added some zazz to it

[austere willow]

honestly cosnidering that the English RtDL DX kept the Magolor habbit of saying

Dude! and such i think they'll keep the sass

just word it closer

they'll finally make Susie say "Kirby," can you imagine

[vocal latch]

And hopefully have the "Please...Stop him" or whatever

MKR have the Nova reference now localized pls

Also add "interdimensional tunnel" instead of "extra dimension road" or whatever PR had

[vocal latch]

I meant localization

I know in JP it's ADR lol

In English they has extra dimensional something

[austere willow]

extra dimensional Road

[vocal latch]

Yea

Just keep it consistent in-localization at least and call it interdimensional tunnel there too

[austere willow]

Hmm

thinking about precipice of another dimension from HiAD

does anyone have the jp dialogue of that

huh

i cant find a doc about it

[vocal latch]

Where is it mentioned

[austere willow]

the mage sisters say it after finding hyness

in HiAD

after defeating Hyness

[vocal latch]

ハイネス様つ!!
こ、これは...
次元の穴へ 飲みこまれたという
ハイネス様を 探して、
異界の 果てまで
来たのだが...
ずんぐりピンク!
まさか、お前かつ!
キッス、ルージュ！
ここへ!
Hyness-sama!!
Th-This is…
Looking for Hyness who was swallowed into a dimensional hole, we came to the end of another world...
Stubby pink!
Unbelievable, you as well!
Kiss, Rouge!
Come here!

異界の 果て

[austere willow]

end of another world i guess?

[vocal latch]

VS三魔官シスターズ
力を合わせ 強大な三叉となり 最終決戦をいどむ三廃官!
主をおって 彼女らは、様々な次元へ通じる 異界の果て
へと たどり着く。
VS The Three Mage-General Sisters
Three abandoned generals who joined forces to become a powerful trident and engage in the final battle! Following their Lord, they reached the end of another world, which leads to a variety of dimensions. 

also used here

[austere willow]

力を合わせ 強大な三叉となり 最終決戦をいどむ三魔官！
主をおって 彼女らは、様々な次元へ通じる 異界の果て
へと たどり着く。闇の神にもすがるほどの 思いは一つ。
あのころの 主に また 会いたい と、かなわぬ きせきを 
願っている。信じるんだ…ひとすじの希望を、大団円を!!

Repenting Survivors Take Revenge
Three Mage-Generals: Sisters
The Three Mage-Generals join forces into a mighty trident and engage in the final, decisive battle! Pursuing their master, they find their way to the depths of Another World leading to a variety of dimensions. Their one desire is enough to implore even the god of darkness. They’re praying for an impossible miracle, to see their master of those days again. Have faith… in a lone ray of hope, the grand finale!! 

from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g8v6ynH3B2lFtoXPnNC5jWxBEYl45fFPuwqERk1oXAE/edit#

[vocal latch]

異界 Ikai is also the funny word which means spirit world; underworld; the next world

[austere willow]

huh

there are both the "VS 3 Mage Sisters descs"

did they have 2 descs

oh no yours is just the first half

nevermind

what strikes me is depths of Another World

[vocal latch]

Yea lol

[austere willow]

異空のドンゾコ - RtDL DX

[vocal latch]

The Three Mages hit the「異界の果て」(ikai no hate)
Magolor hit the「異空のどん底」(ikū no donzoko)

[austere willow]

RtDL DX uses

while this is what kSA uses

[idle cedar]

Is there a full translation of the interview anywhere

[austere willow]

interesting but probably not the same

Not yet :D

we await bandee's mom Gigi for it

[idle cedar]

Is there a machine translated one anywhere at least

[austere willow]

KSA makes it sound like they reached the horizon of AD

while RtDL DX implies like. the depths/deepest pits of AD

[vocal latch]

yeah

[austere willow]

considering the concept of universe is infinite both irl and in-universe thats quite the contrasting descriptors

[covert jasper]

there is no universe where a full translation would happen so fast. I am working on it, please be patient

there is a tumblr post somewhere with a rough summary and I've been commenting on it (on the non spoilers thread, the interview has no spoilers)

if you are wondering there is no new "lore" it's mostly dev stuff they talk about

[vocal latch]

@austere willow got bored and made this lol

[tawdry mulch]

lore chart

[vocal latch]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Waddle Doos

[austere willow]

WAIT

I JUST REALIZED

AD JUST HAS A GIANT ASS FLOOR?

[vocal latch]

yea

cool disc

[faint galleon]

That is literally an accretion disk how are we standing on it

[odd rover]

Reasons

[ocean mauve]

kirby just built different

side note I love the little circle that orbits kirby's feet when standing in that arena

[pseudo wasp]

Magolor is responsible for Microtransactions, evil man

How many hours have yall put into this game?

[pliant socket]

No idea

[prisma island]

over 30 already

[pastel axle]

around 10 hours

[floral mantle]

not enough

[thin prairie]

||Why does the background of the master crown fight looks like it takes place in world 6||

[lofty condor]

It kinda does cause
||It’s implied to be the destruction of Halcandra.||

[prisma island]

well
i mean
#1077968255232254092 message

[lofty condor]

||The destroyed buildings are similar to the ones seen in some of Egg Engines’ background||

[tawdry mulch]

||i like that the egg engines buildings look like recreations of the original buildings||

||since theyre made of scrap metal||

[vocal latch]

||YEAH same, gives a whole new context!||

[tawdry mulch]

||egg engines is such a banger world it was already one of my favorites but the little details like the Halcandra Dee treadmills paralleling the Waddle Dee wheels in New World and the scrappy buildings that look like the old city is cool||

[austere willow]

..................................MAGOLOR MADE EGG ENGINES.

THATS WHY ITS NAMED EGG ENGINES

WAIIITTTT

Roller............ Coaster...........

[solar harbor]

Friendship ended with Funky Area

Now I am best friends with Rush on the Railway Coaster

[quartz skiff]

Is this a krtdl channel or a Kirby games channel

I saw footage of K64

[austere willow]

Crack fucking theory that i may actually believe in

the scrappy buildings of Egg Engines are recreations made by Magolor in his attempt to learn about them

[unique gyro]

Did the footage happen to be relevant?

[prisma island]

Biggest thing I wanna know is just how long was the mans there

[tawdry mulch]

My personal interpretation is that Metal General is keeping Engines running with the Halcandra dees and had them do the construction work

[prisma island]

We know ||Halcandra isn't his homeworld|| but he clearly has ||0 intention of going home given how he now lives in Dream Land||

[vocal latch]

||He also clearly suffered from loneliness in some form lol||

[floral mantle]

Doesn't stop him from stealing my money for Dumb Apples

[prisma island]

Thing is, ||is he choosing to not go back or does he not have a choice||

[floral mantle]

he wants to be friends with Kirby, but for real

[vocal latch]

||I feel like he may have never had a home||

[floral mantle]

we know nothing about Magolor's past

do we?

[vocal latch]

||Just a person traveling place to place, then stumbling upon the myths and legends of the legendary items||

[prisma island]

Literally all we know is that ||he's not from Halcandra but stayed there for a long time||

[vocal latch]

||We know he read a book with which he learned about the legendary items, and that he moved to Halcandra a long time ago.||

||Also implied he was lonely lol||

[floral mantle]

what if his ||end goal to build an amusement park is so everyone that everyone would have a place to have fun, a place to relax, a place to call home?||

[tawdry mulch]

||I don't see Magolor as lonely necessarily since he does mention having some wide connections. I personally like the see him as someone who is pretty goal focused and wants to gather information through making acquaintances over deep friends (before he settles in Dreamland) ||

[floral mantle]

I dunno, I like my Egg tricky and funny

[vocal latch]

||Well, "Onwards to a Pain my Heart Knows Well" on the Egg Engines-based levels &「１人で ハルカンドラに長～く いたのは ホントナンダ。」"It’s true that I was alone on Halcandra for a lo~ng time."||

||Make me think he felt lonely specifically tbh||

[prisma island]

Magolor comes off to me as the kind of person who doesn't show vulnerability unless it gets to the point where it's so overwhelming he can barely hide it anymore

[faint galleon]

True

[floral mantle]

why we giving Magolor a sob story?

[prisma island]

like an actual cat

[tawdry mulch]

He's a sad scrunglo

[vocal latch]

Yeah

[floral mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-give-me-money-kirbys-return-to-dream-land-kirby-clash-microtransagolor-gif-26860135

[tawdry mulch]

Magolor really just strikes me as a headstrong lower 20s guy whose a real social butterfly but uses his social skills to be a shithead

[floral mantle]

that's why I like him

he's a liar and a wizard

[prisma island]

I wouldn't necessarily say we're giving him a sob story, but the very few glimpses we have on his past does bring up the question of why he was a hermit on Halcandra for so long

[floral mantle]

I thought he's a Halcandra weeb

[prisma island]

Especially since once he makes a friend in Kirby he clings onto that pretty hard post RtDL

[maiden crane]

he doesn't come from there originally

but he could've lived there for ages

[floral mantle]

I mean he's obsessed with Halcandra

[maiden crane]

before the whole, lor thing

[floral mantle]

Doesn't mean he have to be from there, he's just obsessed with Halcandra

[maiden crane]

yeah but its like

when you're such a fucking weeb for japan you decide to live there

but replace japan with halcandra

[faint glen]

I really dont think he chose to live in halcandra

To come there sure, but

He doesnt really like the place

[prisma island]

I think the hardest part about trying to glean any information from this guy is figuring out where he's being honest and where he's lying to Kirby

He's probably being honest about not being from there and being there alone for a long time given how he brought it up unprompted, but him being enamored with the place despite calling it a dump is up in the air given how he's vying for the crown at that point

[tawdry mulch]

||I wonder how much of a coincidence it would be that ME ended with a Clash tie in and a new Clash comes out this year timed just right with the eShop dying and killing off Clash Deluxe||

[jolly valve]

||And with Clash Deluxe gone, they can bring back Dark Taranza this time lmao||

[leaden terrace]

||To me, he chose to come to Halcandra but due to unexpected circumstances, was practically stuck there||

[jolly valve]

||I want Clash 3 to introduce another Dream Friend variant. We got Dark Taranza, Parallel Susie. Now give us Shadow Marx so that they can finally make use of the enemy AI they used in HiAD's credits lmao||

[leaden terrace]

||and since he had no friends at that point (he already betrayed the last of them lol) he had absolutely no way of getting out||

[tawdry mulch]

Marx soul chaos 🤯

||Slightly tangential but I was thinking about how people have been talking about Greater Doomer in reference to the original Doomer form. But I thought of something a little more potentially interesting, the fact that it was drawn to the Clash world cause of its energy at all||

||Erm..... Hot Ancients spotted in your area??? ||

[vocal latch]

||how about Shadow Marx & Parallel Magolor? ||

[floral mantle]

what if ||There's only 1 Magolor? Just him from different time period?||

[leaden terrace]

||It was relating to that whole Parallel Magolor coming from True Arena thing||

[vocal latch]

||Yeah I just love that idea too much lol||

[leaden terrace]

...did i unintentionally refer to you as an it

[floral mantle]

nevermind then

[leaden terrace]

im so sorry

lollll

[vocal latch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/TtQMc4T8rWmSBCjPcp/giphy.gif

[floral mantle]

What if ||The final boss of Clash 3 is True Arena Magolor Soul?||

[leaden terrace]

WAIT NO NOOOO-

id love that honestly

because we dont know wtf kumazakis cooking

[pliant socket]

Unidentifiable Flying Baro

[prisma island]

That would simultaneously be awesome and make me cry

[leaden terrace]

FJHASDKHASDW

[vocal latch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FOW1b5Y3AOO0kX3KEh/giphy.gif

[floral mantle]

Kumazaki is cooking something alright

[pliant socket]

Me using my awesome wings to fly

LMAO

[leaden terrace]

So graceful evenfor a squid!

[vocal latch]

Hi.

[floral mantle]

why is Meta Knight flying like that?

[leaden terrace]

[floral mantle]

fudge

my brain stop

[leaden terrace]

he can glide

[floral mantle]

lol

[leaden terrace]

hes always been able to do that

[pliant socket]

The Shuttle Loop in question:

[leaden terrace]

so true!

[floral mantle]

no, I mean, why is Meta Knight putting his hand ahead of him?

like Superman?

[vocal latch]

Yes.

[leaden terrace]

omg

[tawdry mulch]

||I wonder if Magolor would even be in a new clash ||

||he seems like he's finished what he set out to do there||

[leaden terrace]

||i rly wonder if well get a different shopkeeper||

||itll just be susie honestly||

[floral mantle]

Magolor returns to Clash 3 to continue Captialism

my headcanon- Magolor returns to Clash Verse to get funding for Magoland

He just keep returning to Clashverse everytime he's short of cash

[vocal latch]

||I can see it if it's a reimagining of both games honestly.||

||Make the story cohesive for once LOL||

[tawdry mulch]

I do hope it's a true sequel that actually puts the story in the game lol

[floral mantle]

imagine Clash 3 have Dedede show up in HR-D3 to fight you

[tawdry mulch]

That's my prediction

[floral mantle]

and it ends with HR-D3 being destoryed and goes through a portal

[tawdry mulch]

The original hr-d3 before he got lost in space time

[leaden terrace]

oh right we never saw

the real ddd

in clash did we

[floral mantle]

nope

but apparently he's the ruler of the place

[prime belfry]

Clash 3 but the Sword Kirby is just galacta

[tawdry mulch]

Yeah hes not even mentioned in the games lmao

[prime belfry]

(The 4 heroes of yore being the clash kirbys is a good theory)

[floral mantle]

Aeon Hero:

[craggy sable]

Dedede canonically died/dissapeared in Kirby Clash

[tawdry mulch]

But cause of D-Mind we know he exists (and also cause its a Kingdom)

[leaden terrace]

we get to see dedede's graphic death

explodes into gibs tf2 style

[tawdry mulch]

[vocal latch]

I'm sad that this little notice says Pupupu Land and not Pupupu Kingdom

[tawdry mulch]

||The Magolor shopkeeper thing is probably the one thing keeping me from being 100% certain of a new clash soon but that's pretty minor||

[vocal latch]

I still headcanon that's the Dream Kingdom king even with that error

[floral mantle]

what does the whole notice translates to?

wait, is that-

Magolor doing Stocks?

[tawdry mulch]

||honestly it'd be pretty awful if they didn't make a new Clash after cementing it's canonicity LMAO||

[prisma island]

[austere willow]

i mean clash already exists on the system

[tawdry mulch]

||Like now more than ever we need to know whats going on and 90% of the info is language locked and even still it's not much ||

[prisma island]

new bosses introduced behind magolor's adventure pass deluxe

[craggy sable]

Honestly how can you expand further on a... free to play game

[tawdry mulch]

Surely Kumazaki didn't waste all this backstory for two games to just not have it

[vocal latch]

PERMISSION

Authorization of business
in Pupupu Land (Dream Land).

Name   Magolor

Surroundings   Shoppe

Great King Dedede ✌

[prime belfry]

Clash games but without microtransactions and actual good in game progression

[craggy sable]

Make it 3D

[floral mantle]

AKA remove the vigor system

[prime belfry]

Add new bosses

[craggy sable]

(It costs $40)

[prime belfry]

and story

expand more on the rpg system and there you go

[vocal latch]

||Magolor when he causes rifts to appear in two PARALLEL versions of the same country||

[vocal latch]

Magolor Epilogue combo system for more EXP

[prime belfry]

Clash didn't have that much story to being with, now that is even more confirmed to be canon it would be nice to see more crazy ideas developed

[leaden terrace]

||"ah oopsie daisy :3c"||

[floral mantle]

How to make Clash good:

• Remove Stamina/Vigor System
• Couple of new bosses
• More Class
• Make some class less suck

[prime belfry]

add new characters

Dream Kingdom Elfilis 2D Battle when

[craggy sable]

Can't wait for Parallel Susie to have a better character development than Regular Susie

[floral mantle]

inb4 Clash 3 have a Fecto Forgo Fight

[prime belfry]

ayooo?

[vocal latch]

Ampether when

Ampether when

[prime belfry]

[tawdry mulch]

Vigor is fine tbh it fills up with like 2 gem apples anyways mostly just needs to be less grindy and have functional online

[floral mantle]

Regular Susie still kill 'savages' everyday

[tawdry mulch]

Ampeher when

[craggy sable]

Amphibian when

[vocal latch]

Ampether when new Clash has techno cities and the credits show everyone leaving it with the Lor Magolor brought

[tawdry mulch]

Parallel Elfilis would be wild af

[floral mantle]

Susie is still exterminating Savages

[prime belfry]

Super Clash is more forgiving for sure

[austere willow]

i mean clash already exists on the system

[floral mantle]

inb4 we get Forgo instead of Elfilis

[prime belfry]

You can actually somewhat progress, but is still tiring

[tawdry mulch]

TRUE TRUE RRUE THE THEORY IS REAAAAL

[prime belfry]

unless you pay a little bit

[leaden terrace]

Parallel Elfilis would be really colorful I bet

(nudge nudge wink wink)

[faint glen]

Ill be honest i dont really think they intend for clash to have much story impact or anything on the actual franchise

They just wanted to do a funny with magolor specifically

[craggy sable]

Also they secretly were in debt

Source: Made up

[faint glen]

🏳️‍🌈 ❔

[vocal latch]

Parallel Elfilis
The thoughts of an
Invasive Species have
born a new lifeform!

[prime belfry]

parallel dark nebula which his fight is just use the kirbys abilities

[faint glen]

Ha

[craggy sable]

Kirby Fighters 2 was the result of all the surplus funding from Clash

[faint glen]

Implying they would ever put sq bosses in clash

[prime belfry]

[floral mantle]

Parallel Dark Nebula being a tougher boss than Dark Nebula

[leaden terrace]

(if nobody caught the hint yet, its a reference to a fanfic lol)

[prisma island]

implying they'll never not make dark nebula the butt of a joke

[tawdry mulch]

Oh my god lmfao Elfilis being so fucking pissed the ancients left him could have him accidentally contribute to the creation of a Parallel to seek revenge on them in Clash

[faint glen]

An existing one or?

[floral mantle]

what about Parallel Dark Matter?

[leaden terrace]

yea

[faint glen]

Ah

[craggy sable]

Dark Mind

[prime belfry]

Dark Mind already did that

Unless you want a

[leaden terrace]

I LOVE THAT

Like

[prime belfry]

Dark Matter Blade Parallel

[leaden terrace]

Parallel Elfilis isnt just Elfilis from another timeline

its literally just another fabrication of Elfilis' mind

ELFILIS LITERALLY LIVES ON RAGE

[vocal latch]

Yeah plus it'd fit with SA lore on Parallels being born from thoughts

[craggy sable]

Although technically Dark Mind is the manifestation of the Mirror's corruption and is in no way a parallel or reflection of prior Kirby antagonists

[prime belfry]

What would Parallel Elfilis color scheme be like

[leaden terrace]

this is true

[prime belfry]

Green?

[vocal latch]

I have a headcanon that Parallel Susie is actually a manifestation of the thoughts of Susie's hairclip with the letter H LOL

[leaden terrace]

uhhh lemme think

[faint glen]

Parallelfilis

[leaden terrace]

do parallels not have a set color palette

i know a good number use black

and red

[prime belfry]

Clash 3 but Elfilin is in the town with dialogue

[faint glen]

Tbh ive never really done a study or anything on the diff "au" forms

[prime belfry]

mostly purple and black i think?

[craggy sable]

Gotta be honest I think Susie should be retconned, be replaced with Parallel Susie

[vocal latch]

SUSIE 2.0 SPECIAL PAGE (PLANET ROBOBOT)
時がたち、何を思い、ふたたびカンパニーに もぐりこんだので あろうか。
One wonders, as time has passed, what she is thinking, infiltrating the company again.

HALTONIUM HELM DESCRIPTION (TEAM KIRBY CLASH DELUXE)
きらめく かみかざり にはある人の 思いがこめられている。
The glittering gold-plated hair ornament contains the thoughts of a certain person.

よく見ると、大切な髪かざりがありませんわね。
If you look closely, you will notice that my precious hair clip is missing.
SOURCE: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/jlkj/special/vol8.html

[faint glen]

The ones in hiad are just basically the ugliest possible combos im sorry cncbc

[leaden terrace]

fair

[faint glen]

Tho i think theres a lot of black and yellow

[leaden terrace]

i think a cool color palette would be a primary black elfilis with purple and yellow accents

[vocal latch]

what else uses 思い?

[prime belfry]

Baro were do you find all these things lol

Like is super awesome, do you have a doc or something for all these descriptions?

[faint glen]

That would look probably cool ye

[leaden terrace]

maybe sprinkle in ome of that red

[craggy sable]

I do think "parallel" has been thrown around a bit much

[leaden terrace]

i think i can

draw it

hold on

[vocal latch]

I memorize my resources 👁️

[craggy sable]

Sure in the context of clash, it works

[faint glen]

Eyes

[vocal latch]

Translations are mainly from Faye tho! Here's the Tumblr https://syzekrom.tumblr.com/

[faint glen]

Ok yeah theyre actually decently consistent

[hexed current]

I think Parallel Woods goes hard but I agree about the rest

[tawdry mulch]

Hal we are writing this for you @formal minnowzaki#5585 DO IT

[vocal latch]

Corrupt Hyness jumpscare

[tawdry mulch]

WHAT WHY SUS HAT ACTUALLY PING SKMEONE

[faint glen]

Parallel woods is actually kinda cool ye

[vocal latch]

Kuma jumpscare

SUS HAT

[craggy sable]

AMP WHY DID YOU PING A PERSON

[tawdry mulch]

SUS hat

I DIDN'T MEAN TO

DISCORRRRDDD

[hexed current]

Please please please I want to wear a sus hat

[leaden terrace]

YOU'VE DISTURBED A KUMA.

ITS OVER.

[tawdry mulch]

AAAAA

Okay I can never do that joke again noted

[vocal latch]

Kuma#5347 chilling but https://media.giphy.com/media/7IalPLXPQZIvO8RQku/giphy.gif

[faint glen]

Yeah a lot of the parallel ones seem to be

[rustic trellis]

I can hear kuma cooking your demise as we speak

[tawdry mulch]

Come on I even did the 5586

[faint glen]

• make more monochrome
• add red and or yellow somewhere

[leaden terrace]

btw delete that message, they got a sus pfp

[hexed current]

Yeah I do not like that one bit

[tawdry mulch]

TRUE but it's too late lol

[vocal latch]

[tawdry mulch]

I'm not going to ask what that's supposed to be

[vocal latch]

what the hell

[craggy sable]

Well, it happens I guess

Moving on

[vocal latch]

anyway Magolor

[hexed current]

Anyway Baro would you eat the UFO Character Treat

[tawdry mulch]

Anyways we are writinf Kumazakis story for him

[rustic trellis]

Magolor would never betray kirby and co.

[leaden terrace]

theyre kinda uninspired but thats how it be

[tawdry mulch]

Parallels made from evil thoughts it's right there

[craggy sable]

I still need to know how the heck Parallel Susie is here

[tawdry mulch]

Clash 3 dream kingdom on Halcandra it's all here

[faint glen]

By monochrome i meant grayscale oops

[vocal latch]

Yea

[tawdry mulch]

All the pieces of the peak fiction clash game

[rustic trellis]

me when parallel susie shouldnt exist if it just negative emotions because susie herself is just negative emotions

[hexed current]

Well long ago she was delivered by the Parallel Stork,

[faint glen]

Id say we need more recolors like tdx dx bosses but
I think magologue ones top those now prolly

[spark lotus]

me actually kinda liking Parallel Meta Knight's design:

only because someone made a joke about there being a yellow meta knight and me not remembering Parallel Meta Knight's existence immediately

[tawdry mulch]

I didn't even realize that was the character treat I thought it was a goofy drawing lmao

[hexed current]

Yesss more reskins with new hats

[vocal latch]

Wait I just realized
I guess the mirror making Parallels in TKCD makes sense because it's linked to mind/thoughts????

Eh whatever still weird lore

[hexed current]

Forest fire themed tree boss (Crispy Woods)

[faint glen]

CRISPY NFFBFB

[vocal latch]

I'd prefer if they retcon Parallel Landia ||to be the thoughts of Landia carried by the Master Crown as it was traveling the rock bottom of Another Dimension in Epilogue||

[tawdry mulch]

At this rate im guessing its tied to Void related stuff. Jamba Heart made parallels, Black Mirror made Parallels (related to Void cause of D-Mind)

[spark lotus]

all of your trauma are belong to Another Dimension

[tawdry mulch]

So those weird objects tied with Void carry the thoughts of others or something lmao

[vocal latch]

Parallel Nightmare is made up of the thoughts of Nightmare or whatever

[jolly valve]

Parallel Bosses should be retired since Elemental bosses are the better AD variants

[vocal latch]

Parallel Susie of the thoughts of Susie or smth

[spark lotus]

they are, aren't they?

[rustic trellis]

if void is a blank canvas, parallel void cant exist

[tawdry mulch]

Ermmm elementals are CLASHES thing smhhhh

[rustic trellis]

cause thats just void

[faint glen]

I mean, really
We should just have more diff versions of bosses that arent just basically recolors

Doesnt have to all be fire water whatever just add a concept to them

[spark lotus]

elemental bosses are also another thing that's just "born," theyre way better than recolors cuz they each have themes

[tawdry mulch]

I think Parallels are interesting and they do have enough lore to explain them but half of it is in an interview for a spin off game which sucks

[rustic trellis]

kf2 ignite edge

[jolly valve]

Or at the very least, put effort in the recolors with subtle design modifications like the Revenge, EX, DX, and 2.0 bosses lmao

[tawdry mulch]

Kf2 is clash oh em cheese

[jolly valve]

Clash 3 will give us a new Dyna Blade boss so that they can have finally a model to use for a returning stage Kirby Fighters 3

[faint glen]

Nah next game is going to be tilt and roll deluxe

[rustic trellis]

nah thats in FL, were getting block ball next

[faint glen]

There will be new lore in it, of course

[vocal latch]

||Plus their Dimensions fit the theme of Sphere Doomers: Spark, Fire, Ice, "Dark"?||

[tawdry mulch]

The four matters 🤯

[jolly valve]

Me hearing the White Wafers map theme and then getting PTSD from Tilt and Roll Extra Hard

[vocal latch]

wait why

[jolly valve]

Kracko is Spark Matter confirmed

[vocal latch]

Was Tilt n Roll Extra Hard's theme an arrangement of that???

OH MY GOD https://youtu.be/ZJ786Utfhng

[jolly valve]

The jingle at the beginning is a lil similar lmao

[vocal latch]

IT IS SIMILAR

I NEVER REALIZED

[tawdry mulch]

🤯

[pliant socket]

So real....

[vocal latch]

when they played Tilt and Roll in Music Fest i had ptsd man

also I'm still sad it's not spelled "Tilt'n'Roll" specifically

[rustic trellis]

I wonder what are the most PTSD inducing themes from each game

TDX its probably Bouncing Boss Battle because frog, thought it might be Moonstruck Blossom for stone users (they just used stone over a pit)

[leaden terrace]

aight sorry for a very clumsy elfilis drawing ive been feeling a bit dizzy sine i woke up but

i also cant choose between these 2 wing colors so

[pliant socket]

The heartbeat from soul os

[rustic trellis]

True

[pliant socket]

Cause erm......90% damage laser!!!!

[rustic trellis]

Some people have trouble hovering at a level altitude

[pliant socket]

I died to the laser once

Never.

Again.

[jolly valve]

RtDL Arena theme because it reminds everyone of GCN

[vocal latch]

https://youtu.be/G3YdXNLcHF4 https://youtu.be/8pzDSGyK56c https://youtu.be/vy8JuHfFi0o https://youtu.be/i4HhPbK9ivI

[rustic trellis]

the double embed fail

it worked for a second

[vocal latch]

Nah I intentionally removed them.

[rustic trellis]

ah

[vocal latch]

It's not a fail lol

Too many embs which cloud the chat

[faint glen]

Aaa this is cool

[spark lotus]

I think I'd go with red, maybe the edges tinged green or yellow if anything

[faint glen]

I like how it sorta has the more neon vibe of the phantom bosses too

[tawdry mulch]

Parallel Elfilis?!?!

[faint glen]

WOA

[leaden terrace]

wo!!!

[faint glen]

The staff is so cool

[austere willow]

honestly you attribute it too much to Void
what if the parallel thing is what it says on the tin

[tawdry mulch]

This is old but sure I'll bring be into this discussion lol

[rustic trellis]

I wonder which people consider harder, TDX Distant Traveler or Drum Dash Deluxe CROWNED Reprise

[austere willow]

a little variation creates an AU and thats it

[vocal latch]

Fits too because it'd theoretically be born from Elfilis' thoughts, similar to the Phantom bosses

[leaden terrace]

i wish i could match the genius color choices that HAL did for elfilis

[austere willow]

bigger variations, etc

[leaden terrace]

like in comparison my choices were

really really amateurish LOL

[austere willow]

like imagine the Dark Mirror going "ok i see your thoughts about how you couldve done something evil instead, i will make that real"

[jolly valve]

If we sendin fan-parallels, im repostin me Parallel Drawcia lmao

[tawdry mulch]

both times have been with stuff related to Void so idk lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere willow]

Jamba Hearts wouldve also done that because its evil energy

[leaden terrace]

YEAH ur colors r so cool

[austere willow]

when is Dark Mirror related to void

[tawdry mulch]

Parallel DRAwcia

Dark Mind 🤯

[vocal latch]

||THIS LOOKS DOPE
If she was in Clash I'd add D-Mind eye for funny LOL||

[spark lotus]

my thought is AD is just the emotional sewers of the multiverse

[austere willow]

and Dark Mind is void related because

[jolly valve]

Thanks. I used Pres. Parallel Susie and Nightmare for reference lol

[tawdry mulch]

Dark M

[jolly valve]

||She'd really fit as a Clash villain cus witch in a medieval fantasy-like setting lmao||

[vocal latch]

YEAH EXACTLY, IT'D BE SO COOL

[spark lotus]

this makes me want to test my coloring skills.. I watched a few color theory videos but i practically never color my drawings

[tawdry mulch]

kumazaki could never resist Drawcia

[faint glen]

Ive watched so many color theory videos now and most say very little more than "complimentary colours!!"

[jolly valve]

Is FL the only modern game without a Drawcia cameo of any kind lmao

[tawdry mulch]

It still has one

It's very secret lmfao

[faint glen]

The more saturated colours for more prominent points to make em stick out does help
But i still dont rlly know how to make a. Palette aside from just winging it

[jolly valve]

Only Kumazaki knows

[leaden terrace]

tbh a lot of color palettes are just made from winging it

just that it was also adjusted like bajillion times

[faint glen]

Fair enough cbcbx

[leaden terrace]

until they find a perfect one

[jolly valve]

||Giving her a Dark Mind eye would stir up more AD and Mirror World confusion like Parallel Susie's logo lmfaooooo||

[faint glen]

I just love colours so most colour palettes i end up liking, at least at first

[vocal latch]

I wanna cause chaos

[faint glen]

Though having a limit to how many colours u use for a character is a very good idea generally

[jolly valve]

Okay what if Parallel Elfilis with Parallel Dedede's colors lol

[leaden terrace]

maybe i should make it an exercise to 'recolor' kirby chars...

[faint glen]

Looks at some mega man games

[tawdry mulch]

Basically during the 30th fest the revealed some of the fake words they made for Welcome to the New World and their meanings. One of them was Adoroshia or something along those lines that meant "canvas." And it's a combination of Ados japanese name and Drawcia's

[spark lotus]

I see this thing where they grayscale a character design to help see if the color values are al good

[faint glen]

Yeah that is cool

[jolly valve]

Bravo Kumazaki. Just bring her back fully. Nobody would mind

[spark lotus]

and this other thing where you choose some colors and tint all of them? augh i dont remember the process i gotta go find that again

[austere willow]

the secret to color schemes is use Kirby as a reference

[celest grove]

You'll have Drawcia's sister first in Triple Deluxe Ultra

[austere willow]

Kirby is literally like

best design bible

[leaden terrace]

THIS IS TRUE

THEYRE SO GOOD W COLORS ITS INSANE

[faint glen]

Kirby uses the bible for design so it works

[jolly valve]

What's og RtDL's Drawcia reference that isn't a boss move

[faint glen]

Stone iirc?

[leaden terrace]

yeessss let us pick the best combinations of colors pleaseee

[tawdry mulch]

I think that was in the 3ds titles where she had a stone formation

[leaden terrace]

LIKE HOW DO THEY DO THIS

[prime belfry]

Red blends better with his... neck?

idk the thing bellow his head lol

[celest grove]

it's fur

you know how rich people loves those

[leaden terrace]

fur collar

[prime belfry]

oh, i see

[celest grove]

(I was trying to find the right word and it just couldn't get out of my brain)

[spark lotus]

its kind of like a mane

i love when animals have fluffy chests

(I am thinking of my cat(s))

[leaden terrace]

they also turned what couldve been the most generic color palette into a genuinely beautiful design

HOW

[celest grove]

that's because they're good at presentation

[spark lotus]

there's also some color layering theory

[prime belfry]

I'm a big fan of red/white/black color schemes but geez they popped off with Chaos Elfilis

[leaden terrace]

They just KNOW how to make a design good

[celest grove]

The thing with Kirby is like

all designs are to the point

[tawdry mulch]

The gold caduceus goes hard

[celest grove]

they know what to emphasize of the character

[leaden terrace]

exaaactly theres little to no trickery in telling you whats what

the designs show you exactly where to look

[celest grove]

also the point is like

...designs are meant to be looked at but also being interpreted fast

[leaden terrace]

they also dont provoke a lot of thought YEHA that

[celest grove]

you're supposed to tell when a boss is supposed to prep for something

[leaden terrace]

theres a lot of detail but at the same time they can be easily digested due to HOW said detail are presented

[celest grove]

and every part of the design are not meant to confuse you

the detail is more of a tool

than the point of the design

you can pretty much draw every single Kirby character without detail and you can still get it

[leaden terrace]

oh yeah thats true lol

[austere willow]

its all about silhouette darling!

and motion

[leaden terrace]

i am more about the detail myself

[austere willow]

but MOSTLY silhouette!

[leaden terrace]

YEAH silhouette is my fave thing

they go all out on silhouettes for all those designs

[celest grove]

and the reason why they design like this

is back to the core idea of Kirby

Kirby is meant to be for newcomers

[prime belfry]

Exactly

[celest grove]

Kirby is not here to confuse you

Kirby is here to make you understand gaming

[prime belfry]

Even in designs they are both complex but simple, a good balance

[celest grove]

And while it's at it, try to be a game that's simple, but deep

[prime belfry]

ye

[celest grove]

all designs are simple

the details is the deep stuff

the details are for when you look into it

[leaden terrace]

It's honestly amazing really how consistently good they keep these designs, it doesnt take just the philosophy of keeping it simple AND unique enough for ur brain to digest but it must've taken so, SO much thinking to get a result like these

[prime belfry]

indeed, could have worded it better lol

[leaden terrace]

star dream and ||tree crown|| must've taken a whole lot of rounds of design changes, meanwhile we've already known the process of magolor phase 2's design

[jolly valve]

So mainline Drawcia references:
SSU: Drawcia card and Magic Paintbrush treasure
RtDL: Paintbrush Stone transformation
TD: Paintra, keychain, and Stone transformation
PR: Rare sticker
SA: Vividria, Bad Boss Brothers Puzzle and Soul theme used for SMEX
FL: Apparently in the "Welcome to the New World" gibberish lyrics
RtDL DX: Mask and Magic Paintbrush Stone transformation

[celest grove]

And the simple but deep stuff is applied to literally every single aspect of Kirby games

[leaden terrace]

where they had to mix 2 previous designs into one big mama

[celest grove]

Gameplay, Graphics, Music, Story

[prime belfry]

And most important the designs are iconic and unique, you can easily tell who's who even if just a single part of it it's shown

[celest grove]

Gameplay because Kirby has a ton of ways to play

[leaden terrace]

elfilis must've had a similar process too because i feel like this is the one design that feels perfected to me

[celest grove]

Graphics because everything is conveyed without confusion, but it's still detailed enough if you take the time to look

[faint glen]

Technically soul of sectonia too i think?

[leaden terrace]

V true i was going to say smth like this

[celest grove]

Music is simple but then Ishikawa & Ando exists

[faint glen]

She has her fireball attack iirc thats a drawcia soul reference?

[leaden terrace]

yeah

kinda

[celest grove]

https://tenor.com/view/piano-piano-on-fire-man-playing-piano-fire-gif-18619744

And the story is simple to follow but then puts lore for the people who wants to look for it

[jolly valve]

Yeah but I didn't count moves. Only counted appearances of the paintbrush and her relatives lol

[faint glen]

Fair

[celest grove]

and then the story is always like

all good

then the mood completely changes at the end

[faint glen]

Man i went looking for the fight again and

[celest grove]

because we're here to present you good shit

[faint glen]

The actual stage before drawcia is really cool

[leaden terrace]

yeah !!!!!

[faint glen]

Its rlly short lol but it really feels like. Ethereal kinda art

[celest grove]

the final boss is pretty much always a spectacle

but it's always mechanically present

it's not a gift

you still have to play

[jolly valve]

Canvas Curse remake but it's a mainline game now

[celest grove]

but while you play you still get like the most impressive looking shit

[prime belfry]

It isn't?

Kinda surprising since Drawcia sure do gets referenced a lot

[faint glen]

Id just kinda like to see drawcia herself come back, even though that doesnt really make sense

Having chars relates to drawcia works but like

[jolly valve]

Nah. But SMEX waiting room music order really makes me think that they want to consider it as one

[faint glen]

Paintra is. Kinda pretty normal

[celest grove]

Drawcia accidentally defined the entire modern final boss patterns

lol

[faint glen]

Well you say accidentally

[celest grove]

they keep reusing from her patterns but at the same time it's like

the most simple but still hard patterns you can deal with

mechanically these patterns challenge the player fairly

no wonder they keep reusing from her

[jolly valve]

Those being:
Canvas Curse - Drawcia Soul
KSSU - Heavy Lobster
RtDL - Dangerous Dinner
TD - Revenge of the Enemy
PR - Fatal Error
SA - Heroes in Another Dimension

[celest grove]

I get reminded of the interview

where like

[prime belfry]

iirc isn't the only reused drawcia attack the bouncy one?

[celest grove]

Ishikawa goes like "you really reused a final boss song for a waiting room like wtf"

[jolly valve]

And the paint rain

[prime belfry]

wasn't that Marx Soul's?

Oh wait right Canvas Curse released in 2005

I always think Squeak Squad was the first

[celest grove]

Canvas Curse was the moment HAL started to get their shit together

...on handhelds at least

[prime belfry]

when on console?

[celest grove]

in 2011

[pliant socket]

Canvas Curse was the first game Kumazaki directed

[faint glen]

console was rtdl

oh wait

epic yarn

[celest grove]

yes

[faint glen]

though that wasnt hal

[leaden terrace]

im younger than canvas curse

[pliant socket]

No wonder it was peak...

[celest grove]

no, RTDL

Epic Yarn wasn't HAL so it doesn't count

[pliant socket]

That was GOOD FEEL

[jolly valve]

Drawcia passed down the paint rain, fiery ball, and the bouncy

[celest grove]

also Kumazaki didn't direct Canvas Curse

[pliant socket]

He was a designer for it though I think

[celest grove]

but he did design Drawcia and the boss patterns

[jolly valve]

Yes he only made the story and designed Drawcia iirc

[pliant socket]

Ah

Ok then

[leaden terrace]

if he made the story it wouldve actually been there then lol

[pliant socket]

That makes SSU his first game as a director

[celest grove]

yes

that was his first directorial role

[leaden terrace]

you know

i find it p insane that they entrust a whole remake to a new director

[jolly valve]

Which explains his love for the witch since it's basically his first child lmao

[junior fiber]

Same

[celest grove]

Because that's HAL's goal

[junior fiber]

He pulled it off though

[celest grove]

also Kumazaki was still behind the director

because well, he directed RTDL

[leaden terrace]

yeah thats true, shows how much they trust him lol

[celest grove]

Kumazaki still oversees the projects

[jolly valve]

And gave us peak in the form of an egg

[celest grove]

he didn't design Magolor actually

he actually credited the person on Miiverse

[jolly valve]

Damn. Still from a game he directed tho

[celest grove]

In any case though Kumazaki was definitely there at HAL for a long time

he definitely saw the mess

He was there

He worked on Air Ride

also as designer

[leaden terrace]

wow

[celest grove]

and he first started at HAL as a debugger for Nightmare in Dream Land

he had definitely seen both Kirby directors

and worked under them

[jolly valve]

Okay what if Canvas Curse reimagining. Similar story to CC with same villain and all that. But plays like your traditional Kirby game so no ball and it's now considered a mainline game. Gimmick is the paintbrush this time, maybe functions like Scribblenauts or Drawn to Life.

[celest grove]

Knowing HAL I doubt they will do that

[vocal latch]

Lol imagine a quote of Drawcia or her sisters being seen on her Soul pause screen

[jolly valve]

(Just an excuse for me to bring back Drawcia in full lmao)

[celest grove]

Sorry for the random "no fun allowed"

I can see them reimagine Canvas Curse

but probably not to the point of making it a mainline platformer

[jolly valve]

Fair

Was just an excuse to make her eligible for a Dream Friend lmao

[celest grove]

I'm sure they wanna probably reuse Drawcia eventually for something

but since HAL never really makes sequels

at least not anymore

We're not really getting a second Dark Matter Trilogy kind of thing, y'know

[jolly valve]

What are you talking about? Kirby Fighters 2 is right there! /s

[celest grove]

the closest thing to sequels is only in remakes

[jolly valve]

All I want from John HAL are Amazing Mirror and Canvas Curse sequels

[celest grove]

If we go again in the mirror world

...chances are they'll just kinda ignore Amazing Mirror

from a story standpoint

they won't ignore it entirely

[jolly valve]

They've been wanting to bring back the Mirror World at one moment too. From TD to TKCD

[vocal latch]

Parallel Drawcia for a new Clash 🙏

[celest grove]

The thing about TDX and TKCD is like

we don't exactly know what they have in mind

[vocal latch]

hehehehheh

mind

[celest grove]

and now just to go back about how a new director has done RTDX

Kumazaki has went on record that he wants more directors at HAL

so that's what they're doing.

and more directors also means more games

[pastel axle]

more games

[celest grove]

so I think HAL is genuinely at a point where they're trying to grow

[prime belfry]

huh

[celest grove]

They consider Kirby Star Allies as the point where they feel like "okay we can actually better ourselves now"

[prime belfry]

Hope that new directors don't change what has made these past games so good

or if it does, for the better

[celest grove]

Kumazaki is still general director of Kirby

he's the one overseeing everything

[faint glen]

Well we already had a new one on dx and. I think it was good lmao

[celest grove]

...and literally writing every Kirby lore

Super Kirby Clash is also a new director

okay nvm

that said Kirby's Dream Buffet is new

though the Director is called the Sequence Director..?