[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[vocal latch]

So weird

Especially when Traitor Magolor already foreshadows it

with the little claw on his back

[thin forge]

bruh

whats holding those on him then

[tawdry mulch]

magic

[spark lotus]

ma-

[tawdry mulch]

theyre being STABBED through is body

[leaden terrace]

weve been betrayed by the designers themselves

crying crying

sniffle sniffle

[spark lotus]

I think them going all the way down it's back would make the design too cluttered, even for something you never really see (in the super beam attack or the portal attack)

[vocal latch]

Obviously the crown just grew it like Dark Matter's bullets/fins

[leaden terrace]

this is actually sad too

because

it wouldve actually been so cool if it really was like stretched out like that

[spark lotus]

4 stripes that go all the way down + the wings being there, it kinda contrasts with the way the other claws coil around instead of being in a straight line

[faint galleon]

I mean maybe that's still the intent and they just didn't model it through?

[leaden terrace]

make it looks like magolor's totally caged up

[faint galleon]

Yeah!

Firmly grasp the egg

[leaden terrace]

i mean that makes sense u dont see its back anyway but also why do it for traitor then

you dont see it either

[faint galleon]

How does it look like on traitor idt I've seen it

[leaden terrace]

its just a single little claw poking out at the back of the collar

[vocal latch]

Hyped for the issue

[blissful yoke]

Yea

[novel fog]

lol wow see lot of people talking about this

I mean, it is cool they finally just said it

[tawdry mulch]

is also does this on Magolor soul

[faint galleon]

I mean it makes sense

[tawdry mulch]

its just the bottom claws that arent connected

[spark lotus]

the claws on the back are missing in concept art as well

[tawdry mulch]

magolor went to college I KNEW IT

[novel fog]

though it was definitely hinted at before a bit
but obviously the magic stuff was technically more prominent

since name and moveset and all

[floral mantle]

should we based our expectation on future 2d games on RTDL Deluxe?

[tawdry mulch]

yes they will all be remakes

[floral mantle]

I mean, like the graphics

not are they all gonna be remake

[novel fog]

lol and yes supposedly they say RTDL DX was a 30th Anniversary game
if that wasn't already obvious

wh-
is it true there will be second part of the interview in next issue? huh? or is that about something else?

[tawdry mulch]

lmao splitting up the interview

sorry kirby fans gotta wait

[novel fog]

I mean, Star Allies had multiple ones too, so it wouldn't be most surprising

though FL didn't for some reason

[vocal latch]

Epilogue stuff maybe in next one??? 👁️

Or nah too early

far too early

[floral mantle]

Should I make a Bingo for Interviews?

[novel fog]

I mean, they don't even really talk about betraying stuff in it so

[covert jasper]

it was really weird that FL never got a second interview since kumazaki specifically didn't want to spoil the game in the first and it sounded like he wanted to talk more about spoiler stuff

[novel fog]

maybe it will be after the anniversary if they do another one?

[fathom cradle]

let him talk about cooking up elfilis

[covert jasper]

who knows to my pile of endless interviews to translate it will go

[novel fog]

true
still need to find those 25th anniversary and the Dream Friend-focused Star Allies ones lol

and all the other older ones and the merch ones

[tawdry mulch]

interview curse

[novel fog]

honestly really curious about the merch stuff

[covert jasper]

I'm already procrastinating the remaining interviews from the 25th orchestra pamphlet

[novel fog]

well, there is a Canvas Curse one lol

[covert jasper]

LOL

[tawdry mulch]

IMPOSSIBLE

[vocal latch]

Man

Did anyone ever do something like Hyrule Interviews where all known interviews are stored in one place?

with a source and transcript and all lol

[novel fog]

https://twitter.com/unagi_730/status/1582356862216724480 the

うなぎ (@unagi_730)

古い雑誌とはいえ全部載せるのはアレかな〜って(全部見たい方いたらリプ貰えればDMに送りに行く)
「魔法の絵筆」のサブタイトルがついてるロゴ見つけたのが嬉しい収穫

Twitter · Oct 18, 2022, 1:04 PM

[odd rover]

Oh wait how long ago was the first one

[floral mantle]

so... should we have an interview bingo?

[novel fog]

and the first pages (from https://www.ebay.com/itm/394358213047)

still find it funny how they listed Kirby there lol

[odd rover]

Good heavens they’re interviewing Kirby

[novel fog]

like almost a year ago I think?

[covert jasper]

yeah I think I finished my translation in like july last year or something

[odd rover]

Aw hell nah we ain’t ever getting a second FL interview

[floral mantle]

So Kirby, what's your thoughts on Bandana Dee?

Kirby: He's a friend

[odd rover]

I can only imagine the utmost secrety secrets of all secrets lying within the untranslated interviews

[novel fog]

well, I heard the Star Allies one had some 'important' stuff at least

[vocal latch]

Didn't someone want to get DL2 guidebook once

like the official one

not the kirby encyclopedia

[novel fog]

which one

I can think of like 5

I'm guessing you mean the 'Nintendo Official' one?

[vocal latch]

yep

[covert jasper]

I have one but I never dug much deeper into it

does it have an interview too

I think it's the nintendo official one but I forgot

[austere willow]

Magolor Ass

[novel fog]

idk, but iirc there's illustrations by one of the manga artists

[covert jasper]

I just checked and it doesn't unless the manga has lore

yeah

[novel fog]

lmao

would still be nice to see

[covert jasper]

also I think the end of it advertises the drama CD funnily enough

[novel fog]

Gooey's name is mentioned in there right

[covert jasper]

I can try to scan it eventually

[covert jasper]

hmmm let me see

[novel fog]

and is there any other interesting name things

[covert jasper]

yes gooey is named

[novel fog]

yeah, remember seeing it but didn't remember if it was that guide

[vocal latch]

I just wonder if it has anything interesting in-general

For Dark Matter and stuff

[novel fog]

I mean, names of stuff can be interesting

[vocal latch]

yeah like the Gooey thing

that was cool to me

[austere willow]

what is the gooey thing

[covert jasper]

basically gooey here really is gooey since he isn't named in game iirc

omg I found a funny

[novel fog]

just the name has been a thing since DL2 days

[novel fog]

brocks

[covert jasper]

brocks

[novel fog]

love how they mispell stuff like this all the time

Crush moment

[austere willow]

🅱️rocks

[vocal latch]

Do they say anything interesting on Dark Matter or Dark Castle in this one?

[covert jasper]

no, just how to beat them lol

[vocal latch]

Ik the Kirby Encyclopedia had some wacky lore on Dark Castle LOL

Ah a shame

I hoped this might've mentioned the friend thing too

[novel fog]

nah, it was just encyclopedia

[vocal latch]

a shame

[novel fog]

do they give any special name to the bag Animal Friends are in? guessing not

[thin prairie]

bag

[brave crag]

I can never figure out which of these is which.

[austere willow]

Ice Block is Fire, Dice Blokc is Needle, Circuit Block is spark, Bubble Block is Ice, Burger Block is Cutter, Cloud Block is Parasol

iirc

[novel fog]

burger block lol

[jolly valve]

Middle finger crown

[austere willow]

wikirby why

i forgot the cracked block lol

but i was right 'w'

[vapid kestrel]

Thats why I mentioned the art

https://cdn.wikirby.com/3/3e/Art_%26_Style_Magolor_Phase_2_Boss_Art.jpg

You can see in the top left side view

Even in the art it doesn’t wrap around his back

[fathom cradle]

i thought the point was supposed to be he was being grasped by the crown

[austere willow]

guys

Magolor is the master of trickery

[fathom cradle]

did they just think it would look too ugly to have the talons wrapping around the whole backside

bc i kind of get that

[austere willow]

his cool Grasped By Crown aesthetic is a facade

[vapid kestrel]

I like the idea that its stabbed through him never thought about that

But yea either way its just

More gold growing out of his bottom

[leaden terrace]

but like whyyy

theres such an amazing symbolism opportunity there and ALSO a perfect way to fill out the huge empty space at the back

this design is forever ruined to me /s

[lofty condor]

The Noises

[novel fog]

he's master of whole bunch of stuff feels like

master of science and magic
and can make cool theme parks
feels like man can do anything lol

[pliant socket]

Me after seeing the design:

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-the-noise-rank-d-gif-27650957

[leaden terrace]

me whenever i get a minor nitpick with a character design

[smoky adder]

||re shareing this here because this article was from 11 months ago||

[odd rover]

Didn’t someone remove the actual “Magolor” part of the model and it was just a bunch of gold noodles with a crown

[austere willow]

so like when did MK do that

he clearly lost

[worldly burrow]

got bored

[austere willow]

'_'

[spark lotus]

someone mentioned RTDX clarifies when certain events happen which im not certain about, ||so it goes like RTDL, Clash, Star Allies, SKC, FL (Magoland time travel)...?||

[vocal latch]

||That's a popular consensus yeah. All we know directly though is that Clash Deluxe is right after Epilogue, Super is after Deluxe (also has gear based on SA), and Dream Collection and Drum Dash are obviously sometime after Clash and Magoland is like his magnum opus||

[spark lotus]

I find it weird that people say RTDL DX retcon Magolor's Death
Yeah it's kinda weird tho I see where they're coming from

like ||there are a lot of implications that magolor epilogue is some kind of after life but I don't think we have any direct evidence that it really is?||

[vocal latch]

I think he just meant an (attempt) at revenge lol

[worldly burrow]

i mean since skc is canon, wouldn't that mean that magolors death was never canon

since they said the magolor there is the same one as the one in rtdl

[floral mantle]

I wonder if Magolor Timeline goes like this:

||RTDL/RTDL Deluxe => Magolor Epilogue => Team Kirby Clash => Dream Collection => Dedede Drum Dash => Star Allies => Super Kirby Clash => Magoland||

[vocal latch]

Magolor was never dead yeah

Well

there's definitely some "allegory" or whatever

You could see him as that in Epilogue ig

[floral mantle]

I mean... when they say he died in RTDL, they meant he die forever.

That's what they meant

like he never came back, he's just... dead

[spark lotus]

Allegories
||-His clothes get bleached for no explicit reason (insert picture of ghost from Kirby fighters here)
-The whole Room of Eden and apple of eden thing
-Doomers being deathlowpers
-the redemption theme and slowly getting powers back via the altar which seems to be there for that explicit reason (revival vs recovery||

[spark lotus]

i want to mention dream collection but TIL that the line where he references the fiasco with the master crown isn't there in the JP version

[floral mantle]

but in the JP version, he's been living in Dreamland for a while

that's what it's say from what I heard... so he's not dead?

[novel fog]

yeah, he wouldn't be dead either way

[vocal latch]

||The files of the songs VS Darpa-Dippa-Dupas & VS Flock of Doomers are called DEATHLOWPER, Another Domination is called GRANDEATHLOWPER. Magolor's MAX LV pause mentions「異空をかけ、ふっかつをかけ、うしなったチカラを とりもどそう！」"Soaring through another sky, betting on your resurrection, regain the powers you lost!" Also, the first Magolor Day when Team Kirby Clash Deluxe released was on Easter 2017, April 16.||

[floral mantle]

Magolor is a Christianity reference

[novel fog]

now that I think about it, ||is Epilogue first Extra-mode type thing (since MKU in SSU) that has no knight or knight-like boss?||

[floral mantle]

uhhh... there's knight like minibosses?

it doesn't count, right?

[clever hull]

||this time you’re the knight||

[novel fog]

true, I mean like big bosses

[floral mantle]

then no

we do have ||the CEO of Captialism, a Super saiyan Monkey, a evil magician, a big fish, and Doomers||

[tawdry mulch]

Ig these guys weren't around for SA where not only he was present but so was Marx

Who should be DEAD AF

[novel fog]

and DMK

but I can see those two being alive lol

[tawdry mulch]

Oh yeah he literally shattered into pieces

[novel fog]

well, so did Dark Mind
like 4 times

[clever hull]

glue:

[tawdry mulch]

Like that his SA death also has him shatter that's cute

[novel fog]

so that type of mirror shattering doesn't really seem to mean death for them

and they can just come back whenever

[tawdry mulch]

So what I'm hearing is Dark Taranza just gave the fuck up

Or true death is dying to Dark Minds lmao

[peak dagger]

I always kinda took the Kirby series as one where people could "die" as in "explode dramatically after defeat or whatever" but it doesn't stick unless it's specifically made a plot point that the character is dead

Like, Sectonia won't come back because they made it relevant to Taranza that she's dead dead. But someone like DMK or Marx can show up again

[novel fog]

to be fair, that is slightly different way
but yeah

[tawdry mulch]

Live counts are simply canon and some careless people don't keep track of them

[thin forge]

soul bosses just have that many lives left

[spark lotus]

at this point I think a character only dies when they lose the will to live

via force or otherwise

[vocal latch]

no way undertale

[tawdry mulch]

||man if Kirby was a different series the fact that they made lore to justify the existence of in game currency in a free to play game would be very different lmao||

[floral mantle]

Kumazaki:
||Makes an epilogue for a character||
||make lore about microtransaction||
||Leaves||

[tawdry mulch]

||HAL is the only company to have this almost not be a business move lmfao (depending on if a new clash comes out this year)||

literally put the lore first LMFAO

||they dont even mention clash by name outside of the past games tab||

Kumazaki WHAT ARE YOU DOING missing out on your own free advertising

[floral mantle]

Kumazaki: Lore comes first, microtransactions second

[vocal latch]

Has anyone found what the Special Magolor page is

in the ND issue

as in, did anyone mention it lol

[austere willow]

i dont think anyone has access to it currently besides people who live right next to the printing presses that make it

simplified i dont think anyone we know has it yet

[novel fog]

not yet I think

[novel fog]

too be fair, some people have posted about the interview lol

but not too much yet

[austere willow]

ya but it kinda sounds like its because they live in japan where its easily available in the first place

[tawdry mulch]

i NEED to know how Magolor likes his steak where is that interview

[leaden terrace]

i need to know if magolor puts sugar in his tea

[floral mantle]

I need to know how does Magolor decide his prices

[austere willow]

i wnat to eat magolor

[novel fog]

well, of course lol

that's where we get most interview stuff from

[austere willow]

yes

[novel fog]

or magazine stuff in general

[tawdry mulch]

japan is HOGGING our precious information

[novel fog]

this is true

[leaden terrace]

feeling evil rn

[novel fog]

give me it all already

[prisma island]

#1077968255232254092 message

[ocean condor]

Medic Robot#0042 - #[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

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Quoted by Novie-G#7739 • [242795129566527498] · Mar 9, 2023, 4:02 PM

[celest grove]

|| https://youtu.be/TlDVZH7qOoI?t=961 ||

[leaden terrace]

LOL

[tawdry mulch]

thank goodness i was getting tired of kirby videos

[floral mantle]

me when Failboat get hit by a Waddle Doo

it's Karma for the years of meme

[faint glen]

real

[novel fog]

https://note.com/mrdkkrg/n/nd0e6c3e3c1c6 oh was looking for other stuff, but think this has most of Magolor's Magoland quotes nice

in JP

[faint glen]

oo

[odd rover]

Magoland info?

[novel fog]

well it is just his quotes

posting it because I haven't really seen them written down in many places

not that most of them are too interesting of course

[odd rover]

Oh ok

[odd rover]

Epilogue spoilers ||One day Kracko will be the final boss Mistilteinn Style||

[floral mantle]

the ||Clouds that Birthed the Universe, Void Kracko||

[main fractal]

||That's just Dark Matter||

[floral mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/2219-marx-kirby-silence-shut-up-gif-22907583

[floral mantle]

me waiting for Kracko to show up in the next game:

[hexed current]

Wear his mask in this one and join the Kracko Kult

[chilly escarp]

He will show up in the Triple Deluxe remake

[lofty condor]

Implying there will be a TDX remake

[chilly escarp]

More likely Kirby 64

[ruby plaza]

His name is Poop Fartious

[ruby narwhal]

I was thinking about something earlier ||does anyone else think that it’s a possibility that metal general saw the downfall of halcandra in real time?||

[thin prairie]

||he was built to guard that place for a long time so i would assume so||

[ruby narwhal]

||I would say that seeing all that would be pretty traumatising but he doesn’t even have a heart so he just emotionlessly stood there while an apocalyptic event went down around him||

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[thin prairie]

||he does have AI programmed into him apparently so it's possible he felt something about it, dont know what, but it was something||

||maybe the destruction and everything made him guard in a more aggressive manner or something||

[ruby narwhal]

||could maybe explain his attitude in the main story, immediately throwing hands with Kirby upon booting up||

[novel fog]

was looking at stuff, ||technically doubt I need to tag but just in case; realized when you buy all Gem Apples (and make tree grow to its largest size) in the Clash games, he says he is one step closer to his secret plan (he says something similar in JP version, but it just seems to be his ambition, not specifically secret plan), is it like talking about his ambition like as in dream to make a theme park? interesting||

[thin prairie]

||it's his secret plan to get his clothes back||

[novel fog]

||line in JP is コレで ボクのヤボウも いっぽ ジツゲンに… (basically "Now my ambition(s) is one step closer to becoming a reality....") if anyone was wondering||

[odd rover]

||They cooked Magoland for 4 years||

[novel fog]

||well, more like since Dream Collection and Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe technically||

||they really using aspects of almost everything||

[tawdry mulch]

The realization that Kumazaki probably has entire essays about other characters ambitions like Magolor and we are none the wiser

[novel fog]

I do wonder like how much he has planned

and what backstories he's given stuff

[tawdry mulch]

This Magolor stuff kinda blew my mind lmfao

This stuff runs DEEP

[novel fog]

I like how they really referenced/used almost everything (game-wise of course)

though I can't really think much they used/referenced for Fighters 2 with Magolor

but that's like about it

[tawdry mulch]

I know people usually say that they dont plan that hard for the worldbuiling and lore and what not but after this ermmmmmmm

Feel like we are not giving them enough credit lmao

[vocal latch]

YEAH

[novel fog]

even if they did not plan it all in advance, they definitely looked back and referenced stuff

[tawdry mulch]

They definitely are showing some dedication and care which I really like

[peak dagger]

I imagine there's probably a mix. Some planning ahead and some looking back and just building on things they already established. That they don't forget the stuff that came prior is one of the best things about this franchise

Also it's funny to me that it's gonna be nearly impossible to tell which things are planned and which are just "yes and"ing the previous stuff, unless they choose to tell us

[prisma island]

I'd have even more respect if a sizeable chunk of it was just the writers flying by the seat of their pants given how cohesive it's been

[tawdry mulch]

Based on how they've talked before I assume the general plot is planned out but they flesh out the kinks when they make the games

[peak dagger]

I imagine having one person sorta in charge of the franchise direction helps with cohesiveness

[tawdry mulch]

from that one FL interview i kinda got the idea that they make the concept of the game first, decide how it fits into the wider narrative after

of course we have absolutely no idea but thats just my thoughts

||in other news im a big fan of how they used religous symbolism to show the ancients downfall||

[main fractal]

||Let's say Ancient Rome came across an evil tree||

[tawdry mulch]

||would have been easy to just say "erm crown killed them ermmmm Void ate them for lunch" but by having the Crown represent something bigger than its self through the religious connotations of funny apple tree, the silly snake, and the sin of temptation, they paint a cool picture that the ancients downfall was because of their lust for power and temptation to abuse it.||

||as the Crown is literally the snake and is their own creation||

[queen rune]

Can I just say how cool the blue Dark Meta Knight mask looks? Especially on Bandee

[tawdry mulch]

TRUE

[queen rune]

the blue mask goes really well with Bandee's bandanna, and his orange fur?

[novel fog]

||I can see the Master Crown as both like the snake and the forbidden fruit in a way lol||

||it's got serpentine or dragon-like appearance, but it is also like the forbidden temptation itself that someone like Magolor would want||

[queen rune]

|| I can agree. In the sense that it both tempts people and IS the object of temptation||

||I'm for the idea that the reason the crown ended up this way is because the Ancients used Void's power to make it, similar to how they studied Elfilis to create warp technology||

[tawdry mulch]

yeah thats exactly how i see it

two for one deal

[novel fog]

||then it was perhaps dyed by the supreme rulers' hatred and obsessions||

[novel fog]

yeah, it is like how Magolor himself can be seen as sort of like multiple different Christian figures

[tawdry mulch]

||maybe the crown was overfilled with all that hate and thats how it ended up getting its own ambition to destroy||

||it was just a malicious artifact before but being worn by so many assholes made it go too far 😳 ||

[novel fog]

||yeah, though I doubt it was originally malicious, doubt they would have made it to be that||

[vapid kestrel]

||Personally I feel like it was originally malicious, just that it wasn't their intention||

[novel fog]

||maybe it was a bit of both||

[tawdry mulch]

||malicious intent lead to malicious creation||

||surely if we made a crown out of the evil darkness of the devil with the intent of ruling the universe nothing bad would happen||

[novel fog]

||though still will note how Magolor was specifically enslaved by the hatred and obsession of past supreme rulers||

anyway, ||mentioning that part about supreme rulers (or 覇王) can I just say I love how they sort of gave a new meaning/feeling to OVERLORD's song name? idk how to explain it the best, but like I wonder if like 覇王戴冠 ('Supreme Ruler's Coronation') is sort of talking about Magolor becoming like one of those past supreme rulers, or if there was any specific reason they decided to use 覇王 in the normal Magolor Soul description||

||either way, I like how they reused the term 覇王||

[vapid kestrel]

||It's crazy how the term originates from like the English localization of his rant||

[novel fog]

||you mean the OVERLORD part? yeah||

[vapid kestrel]

||Yes, OVERLORD being one way to translate 覇王||

[novel fog]

||I like how English version decided to translate it as Supreme Ruler in the song name, it sounds cool||

||wish they had kept it in description though||

[vapid kestrel]

Yea 'coronation of the supreme ruler' was how most people translated it

Way cooler sounding than Crowned Overlord tbh

[signal elm]

What one am I missing

[celest grove]

Do all of Magoland, as in literally everything

[novel fog]

I mean it would be moreso like crowning anyway right lol

[novel fog]

all 120 Magoland missions iirc

[vapid kestrel]

Ultrby you just said the same word in a different tense

[signal elm]

Oh

God

[novel fog]

I mean yeah lol

[celest grove]

Jukebox has become the true 100% factor

(honestly I'm kinda happy about that)

[vapid kestrel]

That's a fun way to handle it

Does getting platinum on the challenge stages give you a song though

[celest grove]

no

lol

[vapid kestrel]

f

[vast vapor]

has a list of 100% requirements been put together

[celest grove]

Basically everything but medals

Honestly that's a good way to sum it up

Like I think it's anything that feels incomplete like Magoland Missions and modes

• HAL Rooms

• all variants of Boss Towers

and I really summed it up

Completing the jukebox is really just proof you're a Kirby fan

I haven't yet because I left the game to my mom

[novel fog]

I still haven't even done Epilogue or Extra Mode yet lol

or Arena

[celest grove]

she's having a hard time at Dangerous Dinner

[ruby plaza]

Spoiler: ||Plankton steals the Krabby Patty formula in the first Spongebob movie||

[novel fog]

or Magoland lol
you can tell I'm lazy

[molten vapor]

skill

/j

[odd rover]

Bruh

[novel fog]

hey, I did beat main story at least

just need to do some of the Challenge Stages to 100% it

though tbh I've spent like half my playtime just goofing off lol

and testing stuff

[burnt slate]

Huh, mag still has his single charged magic sphere even when fully upgraded

[celest grove]

Here's the song that sums up anyone who only finished Story Mode in a Kirby game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcLsiXZJXA

[novel fog]

lmao

true

well most of them anyway

[burnt slate]

Plus the 3rd magic sphere shot has a different travel distance from the charged version

https://twitter.com/Mecha_nove/status/1637606252577710082?s=19

nova explosion funny moments #54 (@Mecha_nove)

magic sphere travel distance #Kirby #KirbysReturntoDreamLandDeluxe #NintendoSwitch

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Twitter · Mar 20, 2023, 12:05 AM

[molten vapor]

what song would sum up completionists?

[celest grove]

Deluxe Master!

[main fractal]

Special Reward Music

[vast vapor]

Required for 100%:

• Completing Main and Extra modes with all 120 energy spheres in both difficulties
• Completing every challenge stage on both difficulties
• Completing the Arena and True Arena
• Completing all normal missions and stamp rallies, and getting all masks in Merry Magoland
• ||Completing all stages in Magolor Epilogue, including the extra stage||

Not required for 100%:

• Getting all platinums in the challenge stages
• Completing the Jukebox
• Completing the 20 True Extra missions in Magoland
• ||Getting all platinums in Epilogue (though getting all golds is required to unlock the extra stage)||
• ||Maxing out Magolor’s stats in Epilogue||

[vast vapor]

just so we have it

[celest grove]

oh you meant the fake 100%

[main fractal]

The 20 extra missions aren't essential to 100?

[novel fog]

no

[celest grove]

for the actual % in game, no

[main fractal]

That's weird

[novel fog]

it's just for the jukebox song

[celest grove]

to be honest though if you played Kirby since Triple Deluxe

you know how much percentages stopped having a sense

[main fractal]

I never did 100 tdx or pr

[celest grove]

in Star Allies it makes even less sense

since HiAD DOES NOT COUNT.

[tawdry mulch]

LMFAO WHAT

[novel fog]

to be fair, that came out in updates

[celest grove]

since it was added post release

it does not count

[tawdry mulch]

guess they couldnt like dump down your percent lmao

[novel fog]

only non-update stuff counts for 100% yeah

[vast vapor]

erm??? hiad is essential for getting the crown which is true 100% 🤓

[celest grove]

in the end your only proof of true 100%

is

[novel fog]

instead, they gave a crown to your savefile for doing certain stuff

[celest grove]

https://twitter.com/JamesPopStar/status/1637202555548864512

James Montagna (@JamesPopStar)

Retro Kirby carrying his bindle stick

I’ve never been so wholly satisfied with a purchase. Look at him. He loves life

Likes

166

Twitter · Mar 18, 2023, 9:21 PM

[novel fog]

well, the only thing you need to do to get the Classic Kirby skin is beat Soul Melter EX if you mean that

so not really

[celest grove]

which requires finishing HiAD

[novel fog]

yeah, but not getting any certain amount of hearts

[celest grove]

ah fuck

[novel fog]

I did not have Three Mage Sisters before getting Classic Kirby

[celest grove]

fuck %

in any case though I DO wish % actually had a meaning

[vast vapor]

You can beat hiad with less than 120 hearts and still unlock smex

[celest grove]

I don't care if it's only 101% for the true completion

[vast vapor]

Crown% is 100%ing hiad, beating smex, and I think completing all the extra pictures

[celest grove]

but I kinda wish from the file select that I can see the proof lol

Crown% is I guess the only time HAL did something

lol

[novel fog]

don't need any of the complete Celebration Pictures

[celest grove]

oh

even worse

[vast vapor]

still did it don’t care

[novel fog]

to be fair if the percentage was completely accurate I think 100% would be hellish depending on what you count lol

[vast vapor]

True

Platinuming everything? Fuck that

[novel fog]

well talking about Star Allies, all Celebration Pictures, all Guest Stars, all Ultimate Choice difficulties done at least once (yes the game tracks the high score for each of those), and Soul Melter EX done with every character in both single and multiplayer + everything already required to get the crown on your save file
plus maybe getting 999 lives in every mode (though I doubt anyone's sane enough to get those in stuff other than story mode)
and whatever the game tracks for the title screen skits

[vast vapor]

Take the Crowned Challenge! Complete the Ultimate Choice 342 times in a row

[novel fog]

lmao is that actually how many times you would have to do it
thought it would be under 100

[vocal latch]

Is it even possible to get 999 lives in Guest Star?

[novel fog]

yes

in every single one

I think I remember seeing someone post video(s) of it

[vast vapor]

on every difficulty with every character yes

[novel fog]

well it wouldn't have to be every difficulty with every character because I don't think game tracks that (though you could do screenshots)
just every difficulty once and Soul Melter EX with every character

though if it did track it I can imagine people doing that lmao

[vast vapor]

Fake gamer! You will never receive the Master Crown on your profile

[novel fog]

oh yeah and max high score on the small subgames

[celest grove]

If Star Allies ever gets a 60 FPS patch

I'll finish Guest Star

all of it

[thin prairie]

wishing my modded switch did not die so i could star allies at 60 fps

[prisma island]

I've seen it translated as "Crowning of the Supreme King"
I thought it was a bit over-the-top but in endearing way lol

[signal elm]

I hate this game so much

28 eggs

Is so hard

[prisma island]

I didn't read the mission statements beforehand
I forced myself to get all 30 eggs on Level 3 only to find out it wasn't necessary

[covert jasper]

I eventually got it after getting frustrated for days and one day I got after trying like one hour in a row. don't give up

[stray arch]

How the fuck do you do a level 3 tour without losing once

[prisma island]

It was the 800 points on Kirby on the Draw that was my arch nemesis

[thin forge]

reroll until you get the games ur good at

[stray arch]

That's the problem

I'm only good at 2

[thin forge]

oh

good luck then

[stray arch]

Booming blasters and Kirby on the Draw is iffy and sometimes the cpus get really good at the end for no reason

[spiral bobcat]

Anyone trying to improve their true arena runs?

Gotten to 19:26.13 with Dedede now

[celest grove]

you know what was difficult to get Egg Catcher right for me

when you were actually sick lol

[thin forge]

realizing its the same pattern every time helped a ton

[celest grove]

Literally the night after I got Kirby, I was agonizing and dealing with my body deciding to just be ill massively lol

I spent afternoons on my bed playing Kirby just because I had only that to do

I was supposed to take longer to play the game

my body said otherwise

however it made Magoland way more difficult because I couldn't concentrate lol

(btw I'm totally fine now, as if nothing happened)

[stray arch]

Why I don't want these games on a tour:
Egg Catcher: Egg Catcher
Samurai Kirby: Cpu gives a consistent 16
Tome Trackers: I swear the cpus know what it is before it appears
Checkerboard Chase: Sometimes it's a 3v1
Bomb Rally: Bad timings and sudden smash hits from cpus
Ninja Dojo: Bullseye bullseye bullseye
Kirby on the Draw: Cpus hog the points
Booming Blasters: Cpu aimbot
Smash Ride: Sometimes a 3v1 or they steal points
Crackity Hack: The marker at the end

[spiral bobcat]

Checkerboard Chase is ez for me

Literally camp the end of the map and spam attacks on a row or column

Tome Trackers can also be easy if you mostly stay in the middle and pay attention to colors first

[prisma island]

The AIs 100% cheat on Tome Trackers and Kirby on the Draw

[stray arch]

What

[peak dagger]

Tome Trackers is just hard for me. Pretty sure even if I replaced all the CPUs with personless controllers I'd still struggle. I do not find symbols that quickly lol Something like Egg Catcher is tricky because reaction time, but I only have to focus on one thing

[stray arch]

I once almost had it by one minigame

At the minigame was one I was good at

But I forgot to equip the mask

Now we're here, struggling to make it to even the 3rd minigame

[tawdry mulch]

Bomb rally is so free in tours smhhh

The CPUs die so fast

[peak dagger]

Bomb Rally is so much fun

[spiral bobcat]

Bomb rally do be free

[tawdry mulch]

I like it with real people

The CPUs die in like 20 seconds L

[peak dagger]

I don't have real people lol

[stray arch]

I never said they were all hard but I have reasons for all of them

[prisma island]

Bomb Rally really is super fun

[stone sphinx]

Fighting the true arena magolor rn

What the heck is this boss description

[stray arch]

I just had a round where a cpu on Kirby on the Draw hit the magolor target that was BEHIND a yellow one

Didn't even shoot the yellow one first

[prisma island]

YHEP

[prisma island]

i swear hal labs is cooking up a kirby horror game

[stray arch]

I'm pissed off because it's my last mission I need to do

[peak dagger]

This is what happens when you put Kuma in charge and give him enough time to prove he can be trusted to do what he wants

[prisma island]

[stray arch]

Yeah screw this i'm not doing it

[harsh dragon]

YAAAAAAS I JUST BEAT RtDLDX TRUE ARENA WITH HAMMER NO MAGOLAND ITEMS!!!

[signal elm]

Friends

I don’t care if it’s cheating

It works

[prisma island]

I just rerolled until I got my two best games (Bomb Rally and Crackity Hack) and didn't get the minigames I knew the AIs would cheat on (Samurai Kirby, Kirby on the Draw and Tome Trackers)

I think the lineup I got that won me the mission was Smash Ride, Bomb Rally, Ninja Dojo and Crackity Hack

Luckily I got a set of AIs that missed a few targets on Ninja Dojo instead of having aimbot

[stray arch]

I was using 2 disconnected controllers

[faint glen]

I did the first time i played tours 😭 but of course u need to wear the mask

So it took like 10 attempts after to get it

[vapid kestrel]

Sometimes I feel like completion% is an outdated system that should be done away with like lives

[lost briar]

i suppose it does feel like a "devs are telling you to drop this game" sorta thing

[vapid kestrel]

It leads to stupid arguments like ‘I wish 100% actually meant something’ vs ‘I wish they’d put less content in the game so I didn’t feel obligated to do things I don’t want to do’

I think it’s a shame it has to go but Ive seen too many people care too much about how a game handles completion percentage relative to things you can do in the game that I think it gets in the way for more people than it helps

[novel fog]

true

think game would be fine off without it

[peak dagger]

Sometimes 100% completion stuff is really weird too. Like keychain and sticker collecting in the 3ds games. It's fun to collect them, but always felt odd they counted towards the percentage

[solar harbor]

For me my optimal line up was Magolor's Tome Trackers, Samurai Kirby, Bomb Rally, and the last minigame is Checkerboard Chase

[faint glen]

||so regarding the lor
Its possible it was always kinda just sitting there, maybe someone used to be using it and had it 'parked' or whatever
Anyways RANDOM APOCALYPSE EVENT (maybe its just a bad eruption idk) and basically everyone either dies or gtfos and the whole place gets buried in volcanic ash and such
So the lor just kinda. Got hailed in and eventually got buried like that||

[austere willow]

random thought but the fact that Magolor Cannon just like

has his Boss-Fight yell is so funny to me

Magolor can go deep voiced whenever he wants but he prefers to be Elmo

[leaden terrace]

@odd rover ||idk man maybe Epilogue gave a vague clue||

[odd rover]

Oh right

Still you can see normal stars in normal space in the background

of the Halcandra map

So it’s a normal universe

[harsh dragon]

AND ||I BEAT THE NEW MAGOLOR SOUL FIGHT FIRST TRY!!!||

[leaden terrace]

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[harsh dragon]

I surprise myself sometimes

Now to do it abilityless

[cold pawn]

No way, I like completion% because it makes me feel satisfied and, indeed, complete. If it wasn't there, I would be still be worrying about what was left to do in the game. That would have been frustating.

[harsh dragon]

Manager Magolor: “The most popular character for the True Arena is Sand Kirby!”

Me: Cowards

[austere willow]

...

........so does Magolor know about it then

The Arena and True Arena........................

[leaden terrace]

i... i dont know

i dont think he knows

[fleet osprey]

#TornadoSweep

[vapid kestrel]

Are you sure that's not the sound of the laser

[austere willow]

his laser sounds like a yell???

[vapid kestrel]

I mean I don't remember the boss magolor yelling when he uses his laser I dunno

[leaden terrace]

it did sound like there was a voice yelling

but i always thought its just the style choice for the laser and not magolor himself

now that i listen to it again in HD thanks to deluxe

its really just some whirring

almost sounds like a lawnmower actually, the one i kept hearing in front of my old house

[brazen badge]

magolor

music

is great

[leaden terrace]

so true

[brazen badge]

it feels like all of his themes (and the entire epilogue ost) have such a diffirent feel

but in every good way

[celest grove]

||> Kumazaki says, noting the inclusion of Magolor’s theme park in this game technically makes RtDL DX an alternate universe to the original RtDL.
KUMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA||

[thin prairie]

So the clash games really are still not canon lol

[celest grove]

Who said they are not canon

[thin prairie]

Rip Galacta knight

[waxen kiln]

WHY NOT!!!!

GRRR!!!

[celest grove]

Just saying

Kuma has not said it's not canon

lol

||I just hope you love the idea of a multiverse||

[royal oxide]

Wdym?

[celest grove]

That said more seriously Kuma still says there's no real timeline

[thin prairie]

||I already have with Bayonetta 3 ||

[celest grove]

They just do stories with some convenient truths already taken by default

[novel fog]

||if anyone is wondering, they specifically used the word 世界線 (worldline) lol (and it is specifically asking about something like 'from the historical view of the story')||

||oh wait they talked about it more later, he just straight up says it is a 'parallel' (same term used for Clash) LMAO||

[jolly valve]

It's Pokemon all over again with the Mega and Non-Mega timeline lmao

[austere willow]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w39UjBDbMKg||

[jolly valve]

Fandom Wiki on their way to make everything non-canon again

[austere willow]

HOW IS THERE ALREADY THIS?????

[novel fog]

how would anything be noncanon lol

if anything, he basically said everything is canon in a way

[novel fog]

well, it's just abilities

[waxen kiln]

someone made meta knight playable in extra mode

[novel fog]

isn't too hard to give yourself those compared to most other things lol

[austere willow]

can they show magolor in reg levels next

[novel fog]

he's weak if you put him into like main mode and stuff

[waxen kiln]

closest thing was replacing kirby’s model with magolor’s

[slender compass]

Wait do the Magolor Epilogue songs reference other games in the series?

[austere willow]

THE EYES CHANGING REQUIRING THE 2ND PHASE TO HAPPEN IS STILL A THING LOL

[novel fog]

nah people have got him and the other characters in there

[austere willow]

very possibly

Green Winds -> Floral Fields/TDX motif

Red Sands -> Song of Supplication

[slender compass]

I got Forgotten Land from that one

[novel fog]

I mean, why wouldn't it lol

[austere willow]

Blue Blizzard -> Robobot/Vagrant Counting Song

[slender compass]

Green Winds

[austere willow]

the way Snow Bowl just stands there

[blissful yoke]

i mean some people have modded him into his own boss LMAO

[austere willow]

Thank you this is what i'm trying to see!

[vast vapor]

this is illegal

[austere willow]

This is legal

[jolly valve]

Well I guess that's true. ||RtDL DX being technically an alternate universe kinda bugs me tho lmao||

[waxen kiln]

fat fire

[novel fog]

||not even just alternate universe, straight up 'parallel' like Clash||

[tawdry mulch]

I'm just not going to interpret it this was cause that's stupid lmfao

[jolly valve]

||I blame Nutty Noon for everthing lmao||

[waxen kiln]

should we kill nutty noon

[austere willow]

why do you all blame nutty noon for everything

????

[novel fog]

I mean he did say ||実は今回のSwitch版の世界は、 マホロアのテーマパークが存在する点 を考えると、 Wii版のパラレルと言えま す。 (basically 'In fact, the Switch version of the world is a parallel to the Wii version, given the existence of Magolor's theme park.') lmao||

[novel fog]

idk

[austere willow]

honestly a lot of the whole well its a Parallel Universe is because some people will prefer the original anyway

[novel fog]

since that is clearly not the reason it is being said lol
else they would have mentioned Nutty Noon

but Nutty Noon isn't mentioned at all

[austere willow]

they wanna make sure everyone's "valid" in their own ways of seeing the franchise

so we get this

👍🏽

[jolly valve]

Poking fun of the theme park being there lol

[novel fog]

I guess, just find it funny how they just straight up said it was a parallel lmao

[tawdry mulch]

And I choose no because that's duuuummmmmmmmbbbb so annoyingly over complicated over a mini game mode

[waxen kiln]

would y’all go to six flags or merry magoland

[jolly valve]

Those being the Scope Shot fans /s

[novel fog]

Magoland because I don't even know what a six flags is

[waxen kiln]

six flags is shitty amusement park

[novel fog]

ah lmao

[waxen kiln]

MAGOLAND HAS GUNS!!!

[novel fog]

and explosions

[waxen kiln]

TRUE AMERICAN SPIRIT!!!

[prisma island]

am i tone deaf or something because I heard the robobot theme in Green Winds

[novel fog]

same lmao

[vapid kestrel]

Oh man I loved this account when they were doing PR stuff

[austere willow]

guys simply headcanon that there's 1 timeline and it iwll be valid

[novel fog]

I mean it doesn't matter much either way

just gives more funny possibilities

since it means two Magolors could be out there

[austere willow]

yeas

[novel fog]

it would be funny to see them meet

[jolly valve]

Or four when you pick up three more controllers

[late root]

Hello guys, what's going o- oh... damnit kumazaki...

[vapid kestrel]

I literally don't understand the problem like
Nothing significant changes in RtDL DX so why does it matter that either RtDL or RtDL Dx could be 'canon'

[austere willow]

all of this is for the sake of "your view of the original and your view before we expanded on the world building is valid because uhm. you can say its a headcanon" like how we have Ado and Adeleine debate

[novel fog]

ah, so that's where the other Magolors came from

[vapid kestrel]

Like we already basically had this same thing with SSU

[austere willow]

and honestly i think thats the vibe when it comes to canonicity

[vapid kestrel]

Where you can't say SSU retcons SS as the 'canon version of SS'

[novel fog]

and NiDL I guess

[vapid kestrel]

Yea but what I mean is

When you have two versions of the same game

[vocal latch]

Did someone get the interview?

I might get it today lol

[vapid kestrel]

You can either say 'the newer version is the canon version'

[novel fog]

yeah it is pinned in other channel

[vocal latch]

Oh nice

[vapid kestrel]

Or you can say 'either version is canon it doesn't matter'

And Kirby has just been confirmed the latter

But we already basically have that idea with SSU

[novel fog]

btw Baro did you see they called Switch version a 'parallel' yet lmao

[vapid kestrel]

Because like the modern games like to reference SS descriptions while ignoring SSU descriptions

[tawdry mulch]

Me when the two versions of spring breeze are parallel to Dreamland

[novel fog]

why do they not reference the SSU ones much anyway

[vapid kestrel]

Who knows lol

[novel fog]

do they think they suck lmao

[jolly valve]

Marx in SA when he has his og SS laugh instead of the SSU one

[novel fog]

or is Super Star's just that good

[tawdry mulch]

SS is the canon one 🤯 🤯

[austere willow]

Marx Mask in RtDL when he does both :))

[vapid kestrel]

Kuma probably thinks it's cooler referencing like the fourth game in the series than his remake

[novel fog]

I mean the JP Mike description was nice

[austere willow]

its probably just a legacy thing yeah

legacy legacy legacy!

[slender compass]

||Huh as high of a damage output as I thought||

[tawdry mulch]

Magolor theoretically making a new timeline because he travelled back to advertise his future park

[austere willow]

yes

[slender compass]

||For an op character, kind thought the battle would have lasted only for a minute||

[austere willow]

NiDL when its also its own timeline where the level design literally became worse

[tawdry mulch]

NOOO THEY REMOVED THE BACKDROP OF THOSE PLATFORMS ON THE BEACH LEVEL

[austere willow]

im talking about butter building girl

[jolly valve]

Let's just end it with everything is canon. Timeline splits or is parallel with every remake. Some extra modes happen, some are also parallel universes. Something, something, EVERYTHING IS CANON! Let's all go home now!

[novel fog]

well he didn't even travel back from what we can tell
like the theme park is just in a different world
it was the Waddle Dee rather lmao

[tawdry mulch]

NO I will break you into different timelines

[austere willow]

Everything's canon, baby!

[novel fog]

hell yeah

[tawdry mulch]

The sonic thing happened to us for real

[vocal latch]

WHAT

Oh hell nah

[tawdry mulch]

BASED

[vocal latch]

Oh hell nah

[jolly valve]

Me using FL's way of making The Ultimate Cup Z canon to older True Arena modes

[novel fog]

yeah lmao
実は今回のSwitch版の世界は、 マホロアのテーマパークが存在する点 を考えると、 Wii版のパラレルと言えま す。

just straight up used the term

[tawdry mulch]

Kumazaki: Yes we took some extra steps in FL to make this fit within the story

Also Kumazaki: PARALLEL PARALLEL PARALLEL PARALLEL AHAHAHAHHAH

[vapid kestrel]

I mean that's basically what he said lol

[faint galleon]

:TraitorWah:

[vapid kestrel]

"There's no timeline of events things just slightly connect with each other"

[vapid kestrel]

ALSO WHY DOES WHISPY LIKE
QUICKLY GROW TO FULL SIZE NOW INSTEAD OF JUST SNAPPING TO HIS LARGE SIZE

[faint galleon]

Accelerated growth

[tawdry mulch]

Guess I'll just have to sit here and wait for some explanation on how the multi verse works and how the ancients can come from one dimension and have their travel to a different one be reflected in other parallel dimensions 🧘‍♂️

[jolly valve]

With everything being canon, poor Galacta Knight getting summoned every other Tuesday just to get his ass beat every time. And also gets Morpho'd around 37 times

[vapid kestrel]

Like didn't whispy just like
Immediately switch to his big size if you killed him in phase 1 in the original

[novel fog]

well, you can just travel to them through the Another Dimension Road

[acoustic crescent]

also didn't expect epilogue doomers somehow survived one shot 😅

[tawdry mulch]

that's the confusing part lmao so did the ancients just go to every parallel and do the exact same thing LMFAO

[vapid kestrel]

Oh wtf the epilogue bosses can't be one shot?

[jolly valve]

Also Kuma: "You can't really consider everything to be connected." he's such a funny guy lmao

[novel fog]

probably just like technically different ones doing similar things

[vapid kestrel]

Or I guess it's just ||rampaging doomers||

[tawdry mulch]

Urghhhhh kumazaki revealing these things before we understand their ramifications in developer interviews urghhhh

[acoustic crescent]

||Crowned|| too

[royal oxide]

||Roar of Dedede|| didn't even play LMAO

[austere willow]

when does he say these

[tawdry mulch]

But this is even worse cause the ancients left for A DIFFERENT dimension

[novel fog]

well yeah just a different dimension/world, not a parallel lol

[jolly valve]

One of the Miiverse Q&A regarding Meta Knightmare Returns

[austere willow]

whats the context

[tawdry mulch]

Every parallel ancient traveling to different versions of the same planet

[solar harbor]

I'm gonna need health insurance for Merry Magoland tbh

[tawdry mulch]

At this rate why aren't the parallels just actual parallels lmfao

Parallel bosses

[novel fog]

I think there he's just saying not everything is connected in that way

like as in, not in exact same world

[waxen kiln]

dont worry you can respawn

[rustic trellis]

Simply dont lose at bomb rally or egg catcher

[novel fog]

since they asked if there was any connection between the stories of the two modes

[austere willow]

context was removed got it

[tawdry mulch]

Yeah for now I'm just going to ignore this cause he presented it as a possible viewpoint anyways and im not really into its implications

[tawdry mulch]

Keep this one Japan only we simply aren't ready for this one

[rustic trellis]

Miiverse jumpscare

[austere willow]

sorry ampether but this is how you can finally say Kirby is a Void

[jolly valve]

Yeah my bad, haven't read the review in a while

[novel fog]

well I guess they do talk about it in context of Galacta, but they didn't specifically say if that part was connected or not

[tawdry mulch]

TRUE KIRBY IS VOID NVM THIS IS AWESOME

[novel fog]

just that not everything was

[austere willow]

In any case this reminds em of how franchises just end up having to like

[tawdry mulch]

perhaps a treated you too harshly

[austere willow]

"oh shit better make everyone's views of the series valid"

FE has Engage

[rustic trellis]

I think we should start basing the canonicity of alternate universes by if sectionia lives or not

[austere willow]

Bayonetta has 3

[tawdry mulch]

bayonetta 3 is evil

designed for confusion and anger

[austere willow]

Kirby has entered the ring but supposedly they did it a few years ago with how they talk about things

[covert jasper]

"so kumazaki is everything canon"
"well yes but actually no but yes"

[jolly valve]

Nah she dies in all universes cus Taranza getting fucked over is a multiversal constant

[novel fog]

yeah, with Meta Knightmare Returns and Clash

[floral mantle]

Everything is canon in your head...

Hence why it's call Headcanon

[tawdry mulch]

wish theyd actually explain how parallels even work. at this rate im inclined to believe they encompass dimensions that make up a universe but the fact AD encompasses all of that is still a liiittlee weird wrap my head around so icky

[austere willow]

im pretty sure every little detail is like

grounds for an alternate dimension

[rustic trellis]

Why are the ||elementals|| different from normal parallels if they both from AD?

[austere willow]

so like if this enemy wasnt there but Mecha is

[jolly valve]

Y'know how AD is called the dimension between dimensions? Think of it as a gateway to other universes too lol

[tawdry mulch]

yeah im just going to blank this out maybe we should travel to a parallel dimension where interviews were never invented

[solar harbor]

Parallel Kumazaki:

[austere willow]

i think thats kind of what AD is meant to be anyway

its Warp Space

[jolly valve]

I'd take the Elemental Bosses over the Parallel versions when it comes to AD variants

[austere willow]

its the Pokemon Ultra Space Wormhole shit

even POKEMON does it

[tawdry mulch]

if AD is beyond space time then why do Doomer's have a "wah we lost our powers in the past" problem WTF THE PAST DOESNT MATTER YOU LIVE IN TIMELESS HELL

[covert jasper]

proof that kirby has a continuity actually checkmate kumazaki

[jolly valve]

You know when it's an Interdimensional Wormhole when it got them rings

[harsh dragon]

I still can’t believe I first tried ||True Arena Magolor Soul||

[novel fog]

yeah I think it is larger than just a dimension
but either way they seem to have parallel versions of characters and places and stuff, hence the name

[covert jasper]

kumazaki when he reveals that actually kracko transcends time

[novel fog]

also Another Dimension Road is moreso just how you get there

[tawdry mulch]

me when Kumazaki reveals the multiplayer Magolors are other Magolors going through the same stuff

[novel fog]

that would be funny as hell

[austere willow]

thats a possible reality!

[novel fog]

4 Magolors had their plans fail doing the same stuff lmao

[tawdry mulch]

im not letting Kumazaki get away with handwaving Clash as a parallel after my theorizing get over here and GIVE IT WORLDBUILDING

[austere willow]

a headcanon that people would draw fanart of

and therefore be viewed by the devs as something to respect

[harsh dragon]

I’m a loyal hammer purist. I don’t need any bonus healing items to beat the true arena, nor do I think they’re even worth considering

[novel fog]

to be fair, he said it like less than a year after release lol
just most people didn't know

[jolly valve]

RtDL DX is the better parallel because Sand and Sandran exist

[novel fog]

this is true

[pliant socket]

It's actually the worst parallel because it's the timeline where hammer flip got nerfed

Checkmate sandheads

[floral mantle]

But isn't Dedede very OP?

[pliant socket]

I said hammer.

[jolly valve]

I blame Smash Bros for that influence

[floral mantle]

We sacrifice Hammer for Dedede

[harsh dragon]

I feel like using Magoland items or Amiibos to heal in the true arena takes away a lot of what makes the true arena special. That may be just me tho

[pliant socket]

don't worry! We all do

[floral mantle]

You get a mark of shame with your score

[harsh dragon]

Deserved

I’m glad they do

[jolly valve]

Oh no, I get you. Like using them is okay, but I prefer winning without the mark like I always do lmao

[floral mantle]

Honestly, it's for more casual players who would struggle with True Arena

But wants a 100%

[pliant socket]

I mean yeah thats fair

[jolly valve]

Me looking at the many times I used inventory heals in Extra Mode

[pliant socket]

I don't blame you

Cause you literally never use them otherwise

I mean

I used them for my ex mode playthrough

Cause like

Why not

[jolly valve]

Extra Mode made me realize that I'm extremely reckless lmao

[thin forge]

the mark for using souvenirs is a present box which means its a gift for me

[pliant socket]

Not like i was gonna use them anywhere else lmao

[harsh dragon]

Also, I’m sorry if this sounds elitist, but using copy abilities with completely invincible guards like sand, leaf, or stone for the true arena is the world’s lamest way to beat these challenges

[pliant socket]

I mean

Most people would agree with you I think

[jolly valve]

Also man ME went by too fast. I felt like it could've used 3 more worlds because that shit's good

[harsh dragon]

Any time I see people using one of those abilities while watching an arena, I immediately leave to watch a different one

[jolly valve]

I'd usually use Hammer, til they nerfed it

[thin forge]

im a proud sand user, mock me all you wish

[prisma island]

beating true arena with bandee was rough

[thin forge]

ill still put sand in peoples eyes

[harsh dragon]

Nahhhhh I just see the nerf as an additional challenge

[thin forge]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[jolly valve]

You'd think Mech would have a higher damage output with all its lethal looking moves but nope, Sand is stronger lmao

[pliant socket]

Erm sand main? Laugh at this user....

(For legal reasons this is a joke)

[harsh dragon]

Sand has an invincible guard AND insane DPS

[jolly valve]

That's fair. I just missed how satisfying it was in TD and PR lol

[thin forge]

"cheaters never prosper" yeah they do im an invincible pile of sand

[harsh dragon]

That’s fair. I kinda wanna try it with a more long range ability

[pliant socket]

Same

I swear

If they bring it back

Then the remakes of pr and td will be mid

#UnnerfHammer

[jolly valve]

FL is the closest we got to Hammer Flip damage again lmao. The dodge roll really helps

[waxen kiln]

[prisma island]

toy hammer goes brrrrrr

[pliant socket]

The dodge roll AND the fact that you can upgrade it really helps

[harsh dragon]

I think instead of nerfing powerful copy abilities, they should just make the post game bosses batshit insane

[pliant socket]

So true...

[prisma island]

kaizo kirby

[jolly valve]

Me tryna keep track of what's happening during the Three Mage Sisters fight (I fear it may also possibly crash my game in the middle of a SMEX run)

[harsh dragon]

These last couple games have done a good job with hard Kirby bosses, but I want Unfair Magolor Soul levels of difficulty lol

[thin forge]

using 4 sets of mage sisters during the 3 mage sisters fight

[harsh dragon]

If you know you know

[jolly valve]

They have potential. Come on HAL! Put Morpho Knight EX and Aeon Hero Dark in the same fight!

[thin forge]

tbf kirby as a whole is meant to be accessible to everyone, of all skill levels

[harsh dragon]

Imagine them working as a tag team 💀

[jolly valve]

Reposting the image of what I thought was gonna happen at the end of ME lmao

[harsh dragon]

Honestly, Dark Meta Knight from TD is WAY harder than it has any right to be, and I LOVE IT

[jolly valve]

I still want them to make a Dark Meta Knight EX or something. He's now the only knight among the three that doesn't have a cool powered up recolor lmao

[harsh dragon]

Oh god that would be hell

[jolly valve]

He does his little projectile reflect attack this time

[harsh dragon]

I think DMK from TD is harder than Galacta Knight from PR and RtDL

[jolly valve]

Lol same. That asshole is responsible for destroying most of my HP in the TA

[harsh dragon]

Harder than Soul of Sectonia. There, I said it

[granite cedar]

Why fans are freaking out over that parallel comment so much
I think it's just failsafe for people who wouldn't like the original version of the game to get completely retconned

I apologize if discussion moved on from that i just didn't feel like scrolling through Everything

[jolly valve]

I've just accepted that everything's canon at this point lol

[harsh dragon]

Idk I like the idea of a multiverse

They’re handling it way better than Marvel lol

[pliant socket]

I think I would be ready for an all new arena

[granite cedar]

Kirby had idea of multiverse for a while

[faint glen]

Sectonia soul is def harder imo cuz phase 1 has pits

[granite cedar]

And really main campaign of rtdl dx has No Changes except magoland being in the background of nutty noon

So literally who cares

[jolly valve]

Me who fell into one that one time

[harsh dragon]

I love how TD was the only one you didn’t 1st try

[granite cedar]

Why ppl are so quick to freak out and misinterpret what Kuma says sobbing

[pliant socket]

I did it 1st try on other files

[harsh dragon]

Ah ok

[jolly valve]

Looks like it was DMK that fucked em up lmao

[pliant socket]

This is just the one I found first in my photos

[tawdry mulch]

yeah im preferring to see it this way

[harsh dragon]

I think TD true arena is harder than PR true arena

[tawdry mulch]

really my only problem with it is it has the potential to overcomplicate things but luckily its up for interpretation anyways lmao

[granite cedar]

Same shit with "no timeline"
If there is continuity then there is timeline, you just don't want to elaborate exactly on order and dates

[jolly valve]

Not to mention the Pyribbit stall lmao

[harsh dragon]

PR has easier health management

[tawdry mulch]

like i just dont think we have enough info to even comprehend parallels LMFAO

[pliant socket]

It took me years to beat it

Like

I didn't beat it until I was like 13

[granite cedar]

Definitely

[pliant socket]

I first got tdx when I was 8 or 7

[jolly valve]

Pyribbit when he hops into the background: Fuck this frog!
Magolor Soul when he teleports into the background:

[granite cedar]

I think more exciting thing ppl overlook is Kuma essentially saying that Magolor graduated into main cast territory

By far more exciting prospect

[pliant socket]

It was like the last thing I needed to do for 100% so getting that 100% for the first time felt so fucking liberating

[tawdry mulch]

BASED

i hope other characters get that too

[jolly valve]

Cool now give me a full Magolor game because ME was too short but so good

[pliant socket]

erm based kumazaki.....

[harsh dragon]

It’s way cooler when he does it, because you’re actually dodging interesting attacks

[cursive sandal]

The difference is that magolor soul is good

[faint glen]

Magosoul is honestly worse cuz most of the time he is in the foreground hes doing an attack
At least pyribbit just sits there sometimes
Also. Isnt in the air

[pliant socket]

Erm Pyribbit is good though???

[cursive sandal]

Deserved, I love him and he fought super hard to be there

[prisma island]

Oh I'm HELLA hyped
He's been my favorite for a long time but this game drove it into obsession levels so I super want to see more of him

[harsh dragon]

Pyribbit is just boring. I don’t think he’s hard, just annoying

[granite cedar]

Now i wonder if Kuma can do the same to Taranza and Elfilin

[pliant socket]

TARANZA MAIN CATS

[faint glen]

The Susie hate

[pliant socket]

YESSSSSS

[prisma island]

I can 100% see Elfilin as a reoccurring character

[granite cedar]

Elfllin might've gotten get out of jail free card because his debut game selling insanely well

[pliant socket]

I WANT HIM TO HAVE A HEALTHY FRIEND GROUP AND BE HAPPYYYYYYY

[cursive sandal]

||Magolor can't cut in half my brainrot for him, it's too powerful||

[granite cedar]

Susie is an alien so it would be harder to make it work

[floral mantle]

Me when Taranza get 3 taunts dedicated to Sectonia

[granite cedar]

If they manage i wont mind tho

[floral mantle]

Imagine, Taranza's taunts are all him being depressed over Sectonia

[jolly valve]

https://tenor.com/view/2219-marx-kirby-caption-meme-gif-22907616

[granite cedar]

So true... Give me triple deluxe gang reunion

[pliant socket]

true....

[tawdry mulch]

yeah i always thought this was weird cause even after ME release order still makes the most sense

Taranza MUST get over it

Taranzalogue

[pliant socket]

Top 2 images give me life

[cursive sandal]

"Kirby is for kids" mfs when I dump the canon trauma of every single character in the series on them

[faint glen]

Yoo? What are these from

[pliant socket]

KSA artbook I think (the soundtrack maybe)

[granite cedar]

Yeah its artbook

[pliant socket]

It was probably the ost

[tawdry mulch]

como more like who

[pliant socket]

Ah ok

[granite cedar]

I think final piece is the best one but original idea with the gang warms my heart

Hal stop being cowards and show them hanging out

[faint glen]

Como n and slam
And welcome to th

[tawdry mulch]

stamp rally wasnt enough i need dedicated sections for art in every kirby game

[faint glen]

The joronia hat looks like its in agony

[jolly valve]

I love Taranza but Magolor is still my number one

[floral mantle]

Me when Taranza starts to simp for a female Como

[novel fog]

who's misinterpretting it? he's basically just saying everything is canon in a way lol

[jolly valve]

Fuck it, Drawcia epilogue when?

[novel fog]

which we already sort of knew, but good to have emphasis on it

[tawdry mulch]

sonic twitter real

[granite cedar]

I remember when first time he talked about how thete is "no timeline" some ppl immediately jumped to "there is no canon"

[faint glen]

Kirby Art Academy

[novel fog]

oh that part lol

[jolly valve]

Of course everything is canon! See that Marx Soul mask?

[floral mantle]

Everything is canon, but not everything is relevant to the Main Story being told

[novel fog]

yeah

btw Klu did you see the part where he said Switch version was a 'parallel' lmao
guessing you did

[tawdry mulch]

that is a perfectly acceptable interpretation

[floral mantle]

What? RTDL Deluxe?

[tawdry mulch]

me personally thats too messy for me lmao

[prisma island]

Taranza is the resident fandom/HAL punching bag so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon

[jolly valve]

Vs. Otherworldy Game: Parallel Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe

[novel fog]

yeah, he basically says 'As a matter of fact, the world of the Switch version is a parallel to the Wii version, considering the existence of Magolor's theme park. '

[floral mantle]

So... RTDL Deluxe is a parallel as in its an Parallel Universe or same events happen, just one have Magoland?

[novel fog]

parallel universe basically yeah
like how Clash is a parallel

[floral mantle]

So... basically. MAGOLOR master dimension hopping

[novel fog]

well, technically it means there's at least two Magolors now lol

since Wii version's and Switch version's

[tawdry mulch]

me when overcomplicated LMFAO

[novel fog]

I wonder when they will meet

[covert jasper]

kirby multiverse

[floral mantle]

But Clash is stated to be from RTDL (Wii version)

And RTDL Deluxe also went to Clash...

[novel fog]

eh, there are some parts that are iffy, but it is mostly fine

[tawdry mulch]

not to me lol

[floral mantle]

Screw it, Magolor Epilogue is when all the Magolor meet and fused into one

[granite cedar]

Yeah
I mean that makes sense to me
Magoland is clearly from the future, so it appearing in the Dream Land of the past makes it a "parallel" in a sense

Fit with my headcanon

[novel fog]

yeah

[floral mantle]

Wait, I understand now

There's a singular Magolor this whole time, it's just time travel shenanigans

[jolly valve]

The only thing non-canon now is if ENG translation mentions something that doesn't exist in the og JP version

[granite cedar]

Yup

[tawdry mulch]

ermmmm actually english AU is valid tbhh

[novel fog]

this whole section basically says
'Is the relationship between the Wii story and the Switch version a parallel?
Kumazaki: As a matter of fact, the world of the Switch version is a parallel to the Wii version, considering the existence of Magolor's theme park. However, there are some elements that are revealed after the game is completed that challenge the continuity of time in the story. In particular, there is the "Another Dimension Road" that transcends time and space, and since there is more than one passage of time, the player is free to imagine how things have changed. Also, Merry Magoland is a place that can be accessed at any time from the main story and put on masks, and Kirby and his friends can be interpreted as traveling at warp speed to another world somewhere far away where Magoland is located.'
if you hadn't saw it yet lol

[floral mantle]

The Manager Magolor is the Magolor from the Future, and Magolor from RTDL Deluxe is the same as the RTDL Magolor, but in the past

[jolly valve]

Does the whole "Marx is good as long as you feed him" exist in Japanese

[novel fog]

I still like how the interviewer's reaction to this is basically 'huh?!' lmao

[tawdry mulch]

so weird how they dont say Magoland is just in the future Kumazaki being as weird as possible

[floral mantle]

I think this confirms Time Travel Magolor imo

Magoland Magolor =/= RTDL Deluxe Magolor, because Deluxe is the still past Magolor

Manager Magolor is from the Future

We do have 2 Magolors, but one is in the past and one is from the Future

[tawdry mulch]

well its still the same Magolor just from different times

[faint glen]

I think the implication is something like

[floral mantle]

By traveling back time, Manager Magolor create a parallel tineline.

[austere willow]

ya but there's 2 of them in the same time

u just dont see them at the same time

[floral mantle]

Me when RTDL Deluxe Magolor meets Manager Magolor and explodes

[austere willow]

imagine if like a kid's interpretation is that Manager Magolor is Magolor's Dad or something

[faint glen]

The manager magolor is from later on in the timeline, you "go through AD" or something of the sort when you go between magoland and the mainstory ingame
And you are travelling through time then

[austere willow]

honestly im on the headcanon that Manager Magolor is the reason its a parallel instead of the original

like its legitimately the original world but since Manager Magolor built his theme park here it became a parallel

[faint glen]

AD has become much of a deus ex machina i feel lol but eh they seem to be like "dont think too hard about it" and im kinda ok with that

[floral mantle]

Other series when Time Travel- To fix the past mistake
Kirby series when Time Travel- to go to a theme park

[tawdry mulch]

im just interpreting that Magolor slightly altered the past as opposed to created a whole ass new timeline lmfao

[austere willow]

ya

thats kind of how it goes

but i will have to think of it as a parallel in case some people like to prefer the og game :P

[floral mantle]

Me when Future Remake have Manager Magolor:

[austere willow]

honestly this just means Kirby Clash is the most nonsensical story

with the amount of AD Portals it has

[leaden terrace]

magolors smart. he time travels just to make sure this is the future he has lol

[floral mantle]

In other words, this is what happen?

[austere willow]

the timeline is true

[tawdry mulch]

Kirby Clash is a whole other can of worms with this LMFAO

[floral mantle]

So the interview confirms the Timeline

[tawdry mulch]

we dont even understand what it is and there are hints the ancients have been there themselves, and it might have connections with Halcandra

we really cant parse anything until they decide to explain what Clash's deal is LMFAO

[austere willow]

Clash is the mishmash dimension

[tawdry mulch]

cause its the one concrete alternate dimension we have

[austere willow]

personally

[leaden terrace]

my theory is that kirby clash is a game

[tawdry mulch]

i dont agree with that theory

[floral mantle]

Magolor is a chad for time traveling to the past to build an Amusement Park

Rather than stopping himself