#[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe
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and then he works with people who developed Kirby games longer than he ever did
like, even outside of the composers
except Kirby did it like game 2, 3... 4... etc
there are still a few people who worked on the original Kirby
or sometimes even games further back
does he do programming
like he's definitely dabbled with it with RPG Maker and the ShootEmUp one
does he still doit nowadays
I... have no idea
he pursued more of a design course
fair
i feel like what kirby does best here is BALANCING what kind of "horror" youd see at the end of the game, its not always eldritch horror or whatever it gets really boring quickly, but they know they can just do whatever and decide whatever they think is best for the game and definitely had a lot of fun with whatever final bosses they thought up. sometimes it doesnt even just have to be scary, just threatening
(and i think fecto elfilis is easily the best example of that hehe)
but in one of his early games
maybe he did program
i cannot seem to recognize any software here
it doesnt just show a great understanding of the audience but kirby itself as well
r-racing game???????
lmfaoooo
he definitely used software of some kind
but I don't know what
With this kind of graphics I think of like
Network RPG Maker 2000
but clearly that's not it
(also yes Network RPG Maker 2000 is a real thing and it's completely different from RPG Maker 2000)
theres just an old dude who runs on his feet
a HORSE man riding a horse
and hten he drew em like hteyre not the most funniest fucking concepts ever
i think thats another hting i like about his work
Nothing in the world could’ve emotionally prepared me for Magolor Epilogue’s final boss
he believes that his concepts should get the respect they deserve
me when the ||Crossing the Parallel with You|| hits
btw for each game he does mention the size of the team
im most amazed at how consistent his style is. you can tell they changed drastically over the years but at the same time theres always this surreal dreamy style of his shading and lining
and for this one it's 2 people + 1 for music
wow
it's not impossible that Kuma focused entirely on design
How do they keep 1up-ing themselves with these final bosses every single time?
I love it
while the other does programming
that said when you do RPG Maker games anyway, the event system is still the closest thing to programming
he most likely dabbled on that
that's how I started programming in some way anyway
then I went bonkers on obscure Nintendo and needed to learn for real
So true
now I feel like I'm proficient in C, C++ and C#
...and assembly language to some extent
fucked up
because ROM hacking does kinda require that kind of knowledge lol
i guess i can just get by with just design like Kuma but i do want to code fr
in any case mfer is just SOmething Else
I mean it has never been any easier to make games than now
RPG Maker was one thing but I also used what was the predecessor to Clickteam Fusion
I'm definitely going to learn C# when I have the time
I eventually want to learn mips code
for N64?
Yeahhh
PS1?
N64 mostly
To be honest the CPU is not even the hardest part
it's the rest lol
also once you learn assembly language usually you learn the basics of a CPU alongside it
||You have no idea the emotions I felt upon seeing an eldritch tree god with the text “Master Crown” below the health bar. F-ing CHILLS||
and you can apply that knowledge elsewhere
||tag pls||
I knew how to N64 assembly language because of SNES
though the CPU is still wildly different in syntax and stuff
but the same concepts still apply
||The determination in Magolor's actions when he pulls out the sword...||
believe me
But im determined to learn it one day
||And they retroactively made Galacta Knight canon because of Super Kirby Clash being canon||
I don't know how can anyone like assembly language for today's x86 CPUs
lol
x86 actually means like
x86 series
8086
and so on
current CPUs for PCs are based on... a CPU from the late 70s.
except they kept adding stuff to it
...and it sounds just as bad as it sounds like
it's a freaking patchwork
all for the benefit of backward compatibility
goddamn
your computer... provided you slow it down massively
can in theory run software from the late 70s
lol
the Game Boy runs using a custom CPU based from the Zilog Z80... itself based from the Intel 8080.
Well I say based from Intel 8080 but technically still different
but you could run Intel 8080 programs on the Z80 and it would work perfectly lol
in fact Intel used to have such terrible development programs that most devs went to Zilog's dev kit to make programs for the Intel 8080 (and Z80)
so youre saying theres a chance that HAL chose its name not just for the IBM thing but also for the 86 thing
f
also at the time computers weren't standard
The IBM PC wasn't a standard yet
just look at the amount of computers that existed in the 70s, 80s and even some of the 90s
many of them weren't even compatible with each other
HAL had to make games for many computers that weren't compatible back then
They probably had IBM in mind
because IBM was still huge in the industry
but they weren't a standard
just one of the big ones
you had like
Sharp, IBM, Atari, Commodore, NEC, Fujitsu
all fighting in the computer space
There was at least one standard back then though
it's called MSX
and many manufacturers made MSX computers
...mostly in Japan
though it did exist in the entire world
just that the occident cared more about computers like ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 and the likes
fun fact the MSX3 standard is about to exist
like, now
one of the original designers worked on it iirc
the MSX was huge in Japan as it had many game makers on it
HAL was one of them
but also Konami made a lot of games for it
...such as Metal Gear
where the superior versions are on MSX
that said japanese computers have such aesthetics lol
hi MSX from Sony
PCs will be built off of that(?)
Back then PCs actually exclusively meant the brand from IBM
hence why I do mention IBM PC specifically
and when software came out once IBM PCs started to be cloned
you had the mention of "IBM PC and compatibles"
you talking HAL Laboratory? no supposedly they just took the name from HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey lol
did they?
they did
...but they also mentioned 2001: A Space Odyssey
maybe it was both
who knows
HAL still cares about computer history at least
considering they made literally 2 PC minis
which is called PasocomMini
(Pasocom aka shortened japanese for Personal Computer)
the PasocomMini MZ-80C
when was that
(originally from Sharp)
2018 I think?
it's actually a Raspberry Pi in it
but it comes with emulation of the MZ-80C with included software
including some from HAL and other publishers
and then it also comes with SmileBasic
as computers back then used to have a Basic programming language interpreter
and SmileBasic pretty much represents that kind of thing pretty well while still being modern enough
you could have SmileBasic on 3DS and Wii U
but now there's SmileBasic 4 on Switch
where you can do 3D graphics now
it also works with a USB keyboard and mouse
thats fun to develop
if you want a taste of how old computers were like SmileBasic 4 is pretty good at conveying that
later on HAL made the PasocomMini PC-8001
also a Raspberry Pi, with NEC PC-8001 emulation + included software
and of course SmileBasic as well
and yes this computer is like one of the predecessors of the PC-88 and PC-98
the last one where Touhou was born
(and RPG Maker, as well)
they really love game making huh
PasocomMini is like a reminder of what HAL was back then
they used to sell computers as well
but also made software
and then made hardware at times
and since HAL was familiar with like, most computers
they were also familiar with the Commodore 64
that's the reason why they went to Nintendo
because the Famicom CPU was pretty much derived from the C64's 6502 CPU
most programmers in Japan were familiar with the Zilog Z80
except that Nintendo's attempt to make a cheap console meant they had to go with alternate choices
and the 6502 CPU was not quite a popular CPU in Japan
but HAL was familiar with it
...hence why their first job was to fix Pinball on NES.
for Nintendo, that is
oh is
as back then, Nintendo didn't have internal developers
that why HAL's been a support team in terms of code after that
Nintendo had a design team, but they always relied on outside devs to actually program
SRD Co. Ltd was the common one they relied with
Then they got HAL Laboratory as well
it's only around the SNES days when Nintendo started to actually have some actual devs
and even then, during the SNES days, they still had SRD and HAL to help with
SRD never actually stopped to help Nintendo
to the point even though they weren't owned by Nintendo, they were located inside Nintendo's building
though eventually they did buy them a few years ago
but yeah in every single first party Nintendo game, you still had SRD staff working
to this day
the president of SRD is the freaking programmer of Super Mario Bros. and Zelda
and he is still helping around
that said back then SRD felt a bit... unskilled
compared to HAL
During programming of Balloon Fight
SRD was doing the arcade version, HAL was doing the Famicom version
SRD was like "wait Iwata how did you program such good physics"
And I think that indirectly helped development of Super Mario Bros's physics
once SRD had good knowledge of physics programming
HAL just had very good programmers lol
and seemingly ready to share knowledge with SRD
I think there isn't enough interviews of programmers lol
I would defo want to hear from Toshihiko Nakago, the original programmer of SMB1 and Zelda lol
(BTW I bought like... 6 of the Maker series on PS1 yesterday)
||Fandom Wiki finally counts GK canon through SKC lmao||
Hell yeah
||that technically means that gk made a canonical appearance before morpho||
||GK when he becomes canon both before and after morpho||
canon this canon that how about you canon these nuts
||Schroedinger’s Galacta Knight canonization||
||he made the appearance itself before but it was full on confirmed after so make of that what you will||
Cannonball jumpscare
Tornado True Arena 17:48
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzI6Negco0||
とりあえず18分切れたんで投稿
17分切りはできるポテンシャルはありそうだけど普通にムズイ
@granite cedar remember the land of dreams = Halcandra thing I found,
IMAGINE THE BEAST PACK SUCCEEDING WITH COMPLETING ELFILIS, AND BEING EXCITED TO GO TO THE LAND OF DREAMS, ONLY TO GET TO HALCANDRA
Wtf who recorded this
Welcome to this place
idk
who even made that
he looks like hes having a breakdown
well he looks like what Kirby games looks like at the end
I still will never forgive them for not recording this moment with Sakurai
YEUEIEIOSODPEPPW
😭😭😭😭
leon when he was literally manipulated into wanting something that is a complete hell
“Ermmm awkward” -Sillydillo
This is more like the land of nightmares 🤣
you know what is a scary thought
the reality where magolor incident never happened, forgo actually succeeded at going to "land of dreams"
and he discovers master crown there.
he puts it on
there like wow this sucks let's go back home
what kind of form do you think he'd turn into
- eyeball
This is the most next level plot twist in the world if ||Halcandra is the Land of Dreams after FL and it's novel alluded to Pop Star cause Halcandra actually IS a Pop Star cause funny Clash||
Kumazakis barbeque
the stove is on fire
there'd probably be some fusion fighting cuz Fecto is all about consuming
after you defeat Morpho in FL Fecto starts to take over their fusion, so Crowned Fecto would be crazy..
imagine the eye floats between their horns like some kind of eye of sauron
Third eye because psychic!!
How would magolor not happening lead to forgo succeeding
Eye of Sauron
DARK MIND
they use Awoofies as labor
Guess Forgo didn't think they were good enough for the job
yeah i always thought that was strange
how LD had hamster wheels ALREADY built
like 
Morally reprehensible studies
Those things were on display too LMFAO
You see them as part of the tour hello
Surely that is offputting
I wonder if they already had Waddle Dees working those initially lmfao
So Forgo was like "yeah I need these fucking things back"
Workaholic tangerines
they had unpaid interns running on those wheels before
Fun labor practices
Kirby's dream buffet 2, sounds legit
I was so confused when I saw that lol
Kirby's dream buffet 2 omg
wow cant believe they released kirby's dream buffet 2 already
HAL has been making so many kirby games we're eating good
Until Kirby clash 3 20 fps Kirby is the wrong shade of pink and evil dedede
I think I know what's up with Hamster Wheels in Lab Discovera...
Awoofies were used to power them, but once the Beast Pack is formed, Leongar refused to force his minions as manual labor so they use the Waddle Dees instead
Also, instead of charcoal mouth, we get Charcoal everything.
Why would the awoofies be powering the hamster wheels before the beast pack formed
Rick was used in the hamster wheels because he isha mster
idk, the Forgotten Land Residents are a**holes
Rick found dead in Miami
mutated sunfish found dead in florida beaches
Kine?
New World people stealing Waddle Dees for menial labor is fun and also cruel
Forgo had to get the idea from somewhere though LMAO
They kidnap Awoofies back then, why else are they so agressive?
Actually nvm
They use Primal Awoofies, not normal Awoofies
imagine not having infinite potential
Imagine losing even after getting a bunch of power ups
who will win? A being fused with a literal Grim Reaper, and is in his perfect form, or a Pink Puffball who took some muscle milk?
Kirby always wins everything, no matter what.
Local gumball saves the world from destruction yet again
Who beat Chaos Elfilis with no power up?
Meeeeee!
Star Dream: I need to conquer planets for their resources! Susie tell them how they're squandering their planet!!!!
Forgo: To survive outside my capsule I need to gather more energy!!!!!! I need the beast pack to gather food for me and the waddle dees to run on treadmills!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sectonia: I will turn into a plant and leech off of the power of this planet for all eternity!!!!!!!!!
Magolor: Infinite power go brrrrrrrrrrrt
Everyone who is awesome (me)
Kirby: SUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCC
This is why Magolor is based
how does a crown store infinite power that goes against physics i think
Imagine making a wish upon a Clockwork star to become stronger...
Me when I use the master crown as a battery
"Magic" -Magolor
"What the FUCK does that MEAN MAGOLOR" -Taranza
dont let him cook
How does slamming a hammer against the ground let you fly into the air?
Charge they phone, eat hot chip and lie.
How does hitting the ground with a toy hammer sent you flying?
charging your phone with the master crown would no doubt turn it evil
Phone Soul
As if phones aren’t already evil, with all the government tracking.
And tracking from companies
Etc
Let's charge a Nokia with Master Crown
Crowned starts playing when I power my house with the Master Crown
That's a nice cat
Well, THAT just happened!
He’s right behind me, isn’t he?
no they mean if the Master Crown was there (therefore Magolor stuff did not happen) and Forgo afterwards succeeded
hey guys just got here, also wanna know who put this cute yellow crown accessory on the top of my phone
GET OUT OF THERE
Huh, my phones fully charged despite me being like 90% sure i forgor to charge it last night
neat
Is CROWNED playing?
yeah in my headphones why?
also why do you know what im listening too thats kinda creepy
Magolor: I'm gonna go conquer the universe!
Master Crown: Not looking like that you aren't, silly egg!
Magolor Soul: Better?
Master Crown: Yas bitch slay!
So true
Taranza complicit in murdering his ex.
||the quadruple doomers||
Yes continue posting gifs of them
“Your PC Has viruses”
Peak fiction
Exactly
What do the banners in Merry Magoland say?
insert that one madagascar clip
As someone who wasn't there, could I get some context?
you see
I would love too but you have to see for yourself. Just go back to Feburary 12 in #1019293243944476672
Ask any of us and we will just tell you nothing happened
:)
i was looking for this video ty
:snowmisery:
Was it bad or was it really bad?
If i had to compare it to something
It was 
its like a cult taking over a country at a breakneck pace
Oh
Was going to say I don't see anything wrong, then realised because of timezone shenanigans it's the 13th for me and... Yeah
literally 1984
Ok
and everyone in that cult is clinically insane
Average day on discord tbh
when ||a hydriath and a electricky dooter loves each other very much|| that is what hapepned
some people were extremely corrupted
Why does everyone like hydriath so much
i still dont know if faye ever fully recovered tbh
On the contrary
Well maybe I'm a bit too new here but I would imagine he's everywhere because his design is bad
strimp... the one that made the propaganda...
WHAT
Yellow water.
ITS GOLDEN WATER
ITS SHIMMERING GLISTENING GOLDEN WATER
Piss
A golden shower hmmm
It's piss
I guess the fact he's a sea monkey is funny?
He goes super saiyan so hard he turns water into piss
||Golden Shower Requiem||
okay but hes an ATLANTIC SEA MONKEY
as opposed to a pacific sea monkey?
Put scales on an orb it looks kinda weird
I'm just saying, you DON'T want to mess with a Mediterranean Sea Monkey
I love how there's one (1) normal magolor epilogue gif on tenor
And then all of the 20 other gifs are complete nonsense
this magolor is LOST
we did this
This is by far the worst one
id love a hydriath tatto
All this time I thought it was Magolor**'s** epilogue
Notice how the book is empty
thats because WE are the fiction
That's because words simply cannot describe Hydriath
it is peak with only the cover
He doesn't even get his own epilogue, it's just one about him lmao
WE are Hydriath's fiction
this is Hydriath's world and we're just living in it
"You named it after me!"
"Yes, but it's not yours. It belongs to that monkey."
"What the hell!"
literally
Peak of comedy
i feel like every time i listen to it the song gets faster
Soon Hydriath and Electricky Dooter are gonna spread so much that whatever you search on tenor gifs, that pops up
We have already corrputed the search results for magolor epilogue
It's spreading
omg
time to take a p
if its still in the results now imagine how it was on feburary 12th
iirc people chain posted it
then again could be wrong, February 12th feels like a fever dream
We constantly posted the same sticker that doesnt exist rn
rip the sticker
but once the spoiler embargo is lifted, i ASSURE you
Why was it deleted
spoilers
Villainy
censorship
Literally 1989
1981 has never felt this close
i cant believe this is just like the hit book 1985
kinda weird how its about 1983 tho
4/10 title
you see this is how they get us
Were in a time loop, the embargo will never actually end
I'd try to upload this to the tenor epilogue gif pile but I think that tenor either shadowbanned me or there's something wrong with my account
literally 1984
LITERALLY
Electricy Dooter, Fiery Puffer, and Hydriath are all gay and in a poly relationship.
As they should
Rampaging doomers is to busy putting viruses in our computers to be gay
They're gay for each other
I never thought id ask this question in a kirby server of all things
but
would that be selfcest?
No
But it would be incest, as they’re all Crowned Doomer’s children
Crowned Doomer is also the fourth member of the polycule, lol.
We should probably stop
yes..
we shouldve stopped earlier
Yeah! Better to stop now though
okay so egg
Me
We're not time travelers so no point dwelling on it
||Get the egg to fix our mistakes||
I killed him
what if i ate butterfly wings for dinner tho?
||30000 gem apples and I'll time travel!||
||Opinions on this portal.||
HISSSSSSSSSSSSS
Drink
HACK PTOO
are you the guy thats compiling all of them into a document
what decided it to form there
sorry im bad with names
Yeah (its in pins)
||Room of Eden did I wager||
Pine
||is that an EX portal 🤯 ||
from memory it looks like it has some extra lines in it, it might count as different..?
No! I wanna talk more about the epilogue bosses being gay, and taking care of their four psychotic children!!!
what did I walk into
Alright, sorry.
At this point I can't tell if it's a joke or not anymore
Why do I walk into cursed shit
Anyhoo
This still gives me chills
At least you didn't call me MP4 🥲
Mp2
||True Arena Magolor is so upsetting||
||The team really said "we've had too many good endings lately, let's kill Magolor!"||
Once I saw a wasp eat a butterfly and leave the wings, they have little nutritional value
they really ||made him much more sympathetic just to pull the rug out from under him|| did they
so that's why morpho didn't show up until star allies
||Sopping wet meow meow||
day 86: they've noticed my pink skin but I still don't think they suspect anything
Beats blue
da ba dee da ba da
Day 87: One of the robot Waddle Dees ate the frontal lobe of one of the child Dees. I am horrified.
Sus
Oh
I heard it gives you the crash ability but I also heard that the damage was nerfed
Finally 100% Return to Dreamland Deluxe!
||https://twitter.com/gamerfan64/status/1635382256754909184?t=XvBiFFhuXepUnmn1QKfMMQ&s=19||
Of course Merry Magoland was the last thing to do
I usually do it first
Holy shit same
I only got the regular 100 out and the last 20 i saved after finishing main mode cause the missions were stupid hard
Game has been out for like 2 weeks sure
They’ve been making memes for this lol
The February 12th incident
This cutscene was shown prior to the release
them's fighting words 
You can't keep a pfp can you?
Wrong person
I confused you with someone else
My b
Yeah I've had this for a week or so lol
I have trouble every day deciding the ultimate pfp
I am eternally doomed to be inconsistent
I end up sticking with the same pfp for literal years sometimes because otherwise I lose the ability to tell which ones are my own posts lol
Feel you there for some reason
Sometimes I find old posts and it takes me a minute to register it's mine
If the message is from 2018 I cringe
People here tend to change pfp and nicknames a lot. And everytime someone changes both at once, it's like meeting someone new lol
Dream Gear outfits looks amazing. Imma make one my pfp
Not Jack horner!
yes jack horner
The only time I was consistent was when I used Ralph Bakshi Gandalf as a pfp
I generally don't have consistent pfps but I can usually stick with one for a few weeks before changing
Nicknames are pretty consistent
I've been running Magolor pfps for the past couple of months at least lmao
literally everything I've drawn during that time has included him too; I might be a bit obsessed
Recycle
My pfps are either a piece of kirby art I like or something I have my friend upscale a bunch of times until it crashes his app
Right now it’s the latter
I change my pfp whenever I feel like, and right now, it's my Homestuck OC >:3
Listen I just like having a disappointed dee as a pfp
The glitch is fun too i guess
bro is disappointed he got glitched
bro elfilin what the hell you doin
That yoinky sploinky
Expected
I've been hammering away at the Merry Magoland missions
only 4 left (which I can cheese with extra controllers)
E🅱️ic
you would never cheat right?
...no?
You wouldn't download a Magolor
whew close one
your computer has virus
I love that gif so much
presses play
Man I love to shave my hair
(you think I want to get 999 on Crackity Hack on Hard, twice, maybe thrice?)
I am significantly better at Samurai Kirby with joy-cons than a pro controller
how many no ability true arena runs are there
I just found one with the title claiming it has no recovery
and "first generation style" according to google translate which would mean.. no blocking/dodging? 😳
I havent watched through all of it yet but here ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyi2gDz0k9I||
有限実行ということで自分とっては恒例の初代式すっぴん縛りを星のカービィwiiデラックスの真・格闘王への道にて実行しました。(VOICEVOX解説実況付きで)
縛り条件(シリーズ共通)
・能力の使用禁止(どうしても必要な時以外)
・ダッシュ禁止
・スライディング禁止
・ガード/緊急回避禁止
・回復禁止(強制取得はなかったことにする)
星のカービィ初代式縛り:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDgXOn2Dx_k&list=PLBTKBOosfk105yZfsTxT1j--rsz1kIb_w
補足
がんばり吸い込みは吸い込みの延長線上にあるのでアリとする
なるべくシリーズ全体での条件を同じにするためがんばり吸い込みは自動発動のもののみ使用する
同時吸い...
so far they don't appear to be using dash either
at least for the first fight
yeah same
idk why but it seems like pro controllers have like
a millisecond of input delay
though i still prefer using mine over the joycons because drift sucks
its probably bc joycon buttons are clickier
I wish they made "pro controllers" the same size and shape as joycons in the holder. Nearly every pro controller, official or third party, is so huge. My tiny hands hate them.
less delay in the action of pressing
pro controllers are better for me because i have giant ass fingers and i hate it
if they had a second pro model that was smaller maybe
but hey, at least joycon themselves are relatively small
my hands are pretty average methinks(?), and I've found both pro & normal joycon comfortable in different ways
the Lite is more comfortable than joycons for me tho
I have some "retro" style controllers where they replace the sticks with dpads. They're on the smaller side, which is nice. They don't work as well for non 2d games though
True Arena ||The scales stretch..||
probably the same thing happens in the normal fight but its way less noticeable
Hydriath really do be Hydriath
e x t e n d
||Was the second phase of magolor soul in the true arena in the original game or not||
No
Also I got 100% last night :)
goriath (and variants) try to stay in one area challenge (impossible)
fatty puffer (and variants) try not to have invincibility for no reason challenge (impossible)
more like goriath let me hit you and stop jumping around ffs challenge
||the boss I had the most trouble with was the metal general in egg engines on extra mode, there were like 4 phases||
(True Arena) I keep thinking about this
Me when I eat it
Tasty
Seriously what do you think it is
||Void finding a place to sleep||
||That Dimension's void clearly...||
||Also the fact that thing pulsates is kinda 🤨||
||what is kumazaki cooking (he is cooking void
)||
Just beat the true arena as dedede
Had to use 2 maxim tomatoes
Did it in 26:41,03 (second)
My best run is 25:41,03(tornado)
I'll try meta knight now
weird how I asked for this then buggered off and never came back, anyways thanks!
No offense but uh I beat it way quicker
I'm bad at video games
Ok
I bet it tastes bitter
Blue raspberry
I like this answer too
The real reason Sand is so good is because sand in the eyes hurts like a bitch.
i think it tastes like gatorade blue
Potentially
i would like to poke a straw into it, and then drink it all
It probably tastes like window cleaner and sadness
I wanna do that to the actual Void.
that would either turn you into god, or send you to him
Why not both?
It'll send me to God so I can kill him
Do you think the ability stars taste good?
i assume they taste like glass mixed with plastic, but glowier
Sword tastes like metal, sand tastes like sand, fire tastes like fire.
Sword taste like blood
Just like a real sword
I wanna make something now.
One second
im scared
The water one has like no flavor but it’s not that bad
Stone is really crunchy. Tastes like rock candy
Now I kinda want to make a tier list of the copy abilities on how I think they would taste
I mean, HAL has pretty much gotten rid of the "pause for lore" with Forgotten Land. They just didnt do the same for Deluxe becasue they would of had to tell the story a whole new way with it being a port with new content. But I am sure most kirby games will follow Forgotten Land's example unless its a port of a 3ds game
No they could have changed it
...by at least giving pause lore into a menu
pause lore is just text
the story doesn't even change
it's just text
Eh, I dont think it would of been able to work out. They would have had to find a new to place the text. Guess it wouldnt of been that hard, but for the ports, HAL dont feel the need to do it
you wanted all the text lore to have its own section in the menu?
yes
literally just like the figures in FL in a sense, even
it is just a fancy way to have text lore in a menu
well, they could of done it. I guess HAL just didnt want to change much with the port
How soulless 
at worst they could have just
unlock pause lore as you get spheres
while keeping into account the bosses or something
so you can't just unlock them before you see them
I dunno really
Forgotten Land is my favorite kirby game and I think it has the best told story in any of the games.
Set up something like the "theater" where stuff you should have already been able to read can be re-viewed whenever instead of having to fight the boss again ?
yes
I can get behind that
Bestiary
Pokedex, every time you defeat an enemy unlock a new blurb
heck you could add a condition to at least try out the copy ability to unlock it
Deluxe not having a lore menu isnt that big of a deal to me since it is just a port. I dont think its that important there. As long as Hal improves with brand new kirby games.
I don't have strong feelings on this, but think it could be cool
okay I’ve done my list
If anyone has questions on what I think certain abilities taste like reply and I’ll answer when I can
I hate that I miss lore just because I don't like pausing
I genuinely remember a post on r/Kirby with the drake meme but Pause screens vs figurines
I mean, you just have to pause for 1 min. Its not that long . But besides that, pause lore is the easy way out of making lore and I am glad Forgotten Land told the story much morre better.
Originally I missed the pause screen Lore when it was removed from FL but I actually prefer how it was implemented in that game
You ain’t gonna believe which one was on which panel
I still prefer figs so much
As do I
Forgotten Land didnt have any pause land lore and it had best story vibes
Figures are so much better
also it's not that the story was told better in FL because I do kinda think it's similarly structured like before
The gacha element is a tad annoying, but it helped that they split it in 4 groups
If it were all 1 group it would probably be way worse
imo it's not better
it's just that the lore is better placed
and even allows more out of that
Forgotten Land is my favorite game and story. I think the story is one of the best in the series
because there's way more opportunities to put lore
I have reasons I am not going to go intno now, cause I gotta put it into good words
and if I tried explaining now, it would be bad
I remember arguing with someone who was saying Pause descriptions > Figurines because figurine collecting “breaks flow”
I do think like, FL and RTDL have the exact same story structure to some extent
eh
start with a big cutscene where something bad happens, you meet the friend who constantly talks
the friend in FL is nothing like Magolor
i like pause screens because their more iconic
Elfilin is just as talkative if you try
it's a character you regularly see, in any case
I didn't say the character was the same
I never said that
Just that it is a character you also see a lot
also the intro of Forgotten Land starts with way more urgency than "uh oh, someone's ship crash. Lets help them"
Forgotten Land starts with a villain force
I said constantly talks but it is way more talkative than literally Taranza and Susie (who you meet just twice until the end of the game)
Return to Dreamland mostly have no villain known for a while
just you trying to help someone
i mean rtdl starting with that isnt necessarily a bad thing
I said structure and you go with the specifics
also I never said it was a bad thing
Yaku is right they do have similar structures
- Big opening cutscene
- Mid-story stinger before the final two levels
- Dramatic final battle
Only difference is that FL has a prologue stage
- Bad moment happens at the start (I dare say RTDL and FL are opposites but it's still stuff goes into another world)
- Character that you see a lot is at the center of the story
- After 4 or 5 worlds, a big event happens and it's kinda bad
- Up the stakes environmentally in levels
- The final moments of the game puts everything into light
well, maybe they will change it next game. They shouldnt use the same structure.
11 years apart even
Triple Deluxe was kind of different
||His first phase is even fucking worse, the enhanced attacks like the double black hole threw me off-guard first time||
Planet Robobot tried to intersperse story throughout
||I can't even fathom having to watch Kirby helplessly scream after I guarded out of sheer stupidity and couldn't escape||
Star Allies tried to take the story a slight bit more involved
but it's still mostly like RTDL in a sense
do people still like Robobot?
I love Robobot
Robobot is epic
Star Allies was an let down, the main story. Wish they didnt rush it out for the switch
I just think the story told in-game VS what was told on Miiverse is a let down
otherwise I love Robobot
Nintendo rushed them out tbh
all I remember about the story is that Susie hates Haltman and Haltman dies a brutal death
You can tell because Kumazaki was screaming at the workload
To be honest I don't think Haltmann died a brutal death lol
Off topic but it’s funny how it the light novel adaptation, Everbay Coast is skipped meaning something like
“Hey Kirby haven’t you noticed the areas we’ve been to spell out NW WORLD? I feel like something’s missing though.”
however in one aspect of it, we literally erase him from existence
HUH
the novel skipped the best looking world?
0/10 this novel is trash
💀
Or Phantom Tropic Woods
the second world was cool buti t was the least entertaining world
Anyway I do wish for Kirby to take a little more ambitious route for story
novel said "i love hate trees"
not necessarily filled with cutscenes
but maybe at the end of each world, there's something
At least Kirby is doing its story better than zelda but yeah, would be nice to see them do a bit more but I doubt honestly.
Note that I never expect Kirby to be story heavy
Yeah at the beginning and end of each level just a small something
it's still more about the gameplay than the story
True it’s an E10+ platformer
but I do think having a bit of story moment between worlds does not ruin the pace
or do even more work into environmental story telling
which FL kinda tried to do
but I think the whole translatable alphabet is actually not very interesting
Nintendo IPs are always scared to do more with story
also Zelda BOTW does story fine.
People are just angry there's no linear story
even though it still has a lot to tell
people just hate looking for lore
BOTW is filled with lore
the champions are awful
Mfw no linear story in an open world game
I will defend BOTW's story
be my guest. I been a zelda fan for years since OOT.
Do ppl actually hate the story of BOTW?
yes
yes because there's nothing in front of you
I talk in the zelda discord
I just don’t like Zelda lol
botw barely has a story and thats fine
if you want a story, you gotta seek it
its just
but that's too much for Zelda fans
I like some of the older ones than the new ones
"so yeah...ganon won 100 yeats ago"
Like Link to the Past
Mfw the story isn’t spoon-fed to the player
Zelda Team cant write a good story anymore
"now go defeat him once and for all and maybe free the souls of your old friends"
they need to hire writers
also
Literally every other Zelda games, the story is spoon fed
age of caalmity is fan fic
is there like a archive of miiverse lore
ANYWAYS Kirby right
i'm sure TOTK will actually try a bit more
Nintendo dont even want to market TOTK. 😭
i wanna read the miiverse lore
but when BOTW was made, I dunno how it could be better
How do y’all deal with the ||Crowned Doomer in True Arena? He’s been giving me the most trouble during my runs.||
cause then its understandable
it had the biggest team
Step 1: Read the attacks, stay away from the ||electric miasma||
but I still defend BOTW's story
No abilities
Difficulty gets halved imo
they just went with more lore than just spoon feeding a story
Step 2: I use Sand or Meta Knight
Step 3: If you're still having trouble, grind Egg Catcher and get food
because it made way more sense for BOTW's game design
i think botw's lack of proper story also helps in just taking in the environment
does anyone know where i can read the miiverse lore
but I just not sure how confident I am with Nintendo when they are not marketing their own game
its a red flag to me
Fans are really good at hyping it up themselves.
I’ve tried using Sand but it’s awkward in some fights lol, I’ve been using Hammer for it’s I-frames
they just need to show more of whats actually different instead of leaving us in the dark imo
like we have bits and pieces
Also Nintendo actually just wants to keep a lot of the game secret
I really want TOTK to be a huge improvement from BOTW. With enemy vareity and better bosse
in fact BOTW was the same thing
Some tips: Sand's Up-B has a high damage output in seconds
comapnies shouldnt keep a game a secret as an excuse to not market, imo
Plus the guard also protects from most attacks, even those that crush you
RtDLD spoilers thread be in topic challenge
NOTICE: You can't dodge black holes with the Sand guard, it made me feel so horrible

Yeah but it cant reach some bosses like the ||Goriaths||
kirby and the divine beast 
tbh I don't have much to say else
I will move ot gaming channel
I plan to sleep, tbh
You can use Up-B near them
it's 3 AM
void termina?
Lmao
Btw in Goriath and ||Hydriath|| you have to be patient at some points
You can try to strike him from behind if he's doing the long punches
you even go inside it after fighting the outside
Also another thing about Sand: you can use the guard, then press B to unleash a jump attack ala Hi-Jump
You can even use it to quickly get away from boss attacks if timed correctly
I swear I’m not a 40 year old mom
You can't dodge ANY black hole with a guard that makes you completely invincible
We've known that since leaf had one in the original
I should really compile all of the black hole animations actually
It's just fucking painful to watch Kirby actually get sucked in to his doom tbh
Anyone noticed how stone runs are less popular
Because 1. Insta-lose ability 2. Insta-death if you're low on HP 3. Help
And 4. Kirby sounds like he's burning up in flames
I think the only games that have one are SS and SSU, RtDL, TD (maybe), PR, and FL
TDX has no black holes I think
I wish my brain didn't forget that in panic at the end of the true arena 
GOD
I'm not the only one
smh smh guys I expected better /j
This nearly ruined my mood honestly
||Completely understandable I was fucking petrified when I got to the 2nd phase||
Until I got 100% completion and received good news from Mousey
My tactic for the True Arena
- Pick Mecha
- Get all the amiibo I have
- Item spam
- If it doesn’t work improvise
It’s the ability I’m best with
Tbh I might do another run with Bandee, but I wanna play Super Mario Galaxy first
The most ironic part about this is that I literally have also a form which also utilizes Black Hole as an attack, and focuses on it in many aspects
(Void Hyperion)
Oh right I forgot: Drop the ability upon reaching ||Crowned Doomer||
Tbh it's easy to read ||Crowned Doomer||'s attacks, same way as how I read Lor EX
And use the ability star as a star bullet
is amiibo better than souvenirs?
Not really it’s just cherries
I just use them to preserve souvenirs
Oh sorry for the ping
OH I SWEAR I'VE SAID THIS WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE AND NOW THEY FIXED IT
Right side is RtDL Dx model left is SA model
Big thing I said was wrong with the SA model's wings weren't actually that they were too small
But that the shape of the feathers were really weird
And the shape is so much better in RtDL!!!!!!
Ah I see
yeah the HAL spy here saw your complaints 
oh you got the
I mean tbh GK SA appears for like seconds
do you have a closeup of that nova mask render? the globe specifically
it's for a friend /j but no really I know someone who wanted to see it and now I'm curious too
Ok they actually like. Did this change for SKC
So it looks like RtDL GK's model is just the SKC model but with regular GK proportions
Instead of using the SA model
this probably isn't big enough
its probably just 2d right
the masks are all 3D
the globe specifically isnt a full sphere tho right?
They're like flattened 3D models
i mean id love to be proven wrong
oh then idk
Its like an actual 3D mask, but it's still a mask
whats even the point of the globe on nova, a spacefaring object. I mean yeah it has pianos and lightbulbs and a weathervane but still
Me realizing the existence of a globe means without a doubt shiver star used to be earth or at least like earth
ye thats the idea
That's still a stretch though
Because New World exists, making Earth a really questionnable topic
Ok RtDL GK model straight up keeps SKC's longer horns on his mask and longer feet
He uses the SKC wing model but shrunk down to regular GK size
Separate universes most likely
New world doesn’t have to be earth
Plus Shiver star still has the land masses and moon of earth so Im pretty sure new world is jts own
He also uses the SKC model for the shoulderpads but they're now closer to his body
New World could be a planet that’s basically Earth but not like the planet in FFVII
If that was Earth then how tf did we do the New World language in real life

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