#[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

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austere willow
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its like if you let SPM be the standard of Mario games

celest grove
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and then he works with people who developed Kirby games longer than he ever did

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like, even outside of the composers

austere willow
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except Kirby did it like game 2, 3... 4... etc

celest grove
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there are still a few people who worked on the original Kirby

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or sometimes even games further back

austere willow
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god

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he's such a fuckin beacon of inspiration to me

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Yakumono, tell me

celest grove
austere willow
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does he do programming

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like he's definitely dabbled with it with RPG Maker and the ShootEmUp one

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does he still doit nowadays

celest grove
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I... have no idea

austere willow
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Hmm

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especially now that he's Series Director, its unlikely

celest grove
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he pursued more of a design course

austere willow
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fair

leaden terrace
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i feel like what kirby does best here is BALANCING what kind of "horror" youd see at the end of the game, its not always eldritch horror or whatever it gets really boring quickly, but they know they can just do whatever and decide whatever they think is best for the game and definitely had a lot of fun with whatever final bosses they thought up. sometimes it doesnt even just have to be scary, just threatening

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(and i think fecto elfilis is easily the best example of that hehe)

celest grove
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but in one of his early games

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maybe he did program

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i cannot seem to recognize any software here

leaden terrace
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it doesnt just show a great understanding of the audience but kirby itself as well

austere willow
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r-racing game???????

leaden terrace
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lmfaoooo

celest grove
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he definitely used software of some kind

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but I don't know what

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With this kind of graphics I think of like

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Network RPG Maker 2000

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but clearly that's not it

austere willow
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this is ... such a cast of characters

celest grove
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(also yes Network RPG Maker 2000 is a real thing and it's completely different from RPG Maker 2000)

austere willow
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theres just an old dude who runs on his feet

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a HORSE man riding a horse

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and hten he drew em like hteyre not the most funniest fucking concepts ever

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i think thats another hting i like about his work

harsh dragon
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Nothing in the world could’ve emotionally prepared me for Magolor Epilogue’s final boss

austere willow
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he believes that his concepts should get the respect they deserve

austere willow
celest grove
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btw for each game he does mention the size of the team

leaden terrace
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im most amazed at how consistent his style is. you can tell they changed drastically over the years but at the same time theres always this surreal dreamy style of his shading and lining

celest grove
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and for this one it's 2 people + 1 for music

leaden terrace
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wow

celest grove
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it's not impossible that Kuma focused entirely on design

harsh dragon
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How do they keep 1up-ing themselves with these final bosses every single time?

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I love it

celest grove
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while the other does programming

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that said when you do RPG Maker games anyway, the event system is still the closest thing to programming

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he most likely dabbled on that

austere willow
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Easy programming!

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sjsdjdskjsd

celest grove
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that's how I started programming in some way anyway

austere willow
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:O

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same

celest grove
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then I went bonkers on obscure Nintendo and needed to learn for real

celest grove
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now I feel like I'm proficient in C, C++ and C#

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...and assembly language to some extent

austere willow
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fucked up

celest grove
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because ROM hacking does kinda require that kind of knowledge lol

austere willow
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i guess i can just get by with just design like Kuma but i do want to code fr

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in any case mfer is just SOmething Else

celest grove
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I mean it has never been any easier to make games than now

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RPG Maker was one thing but I also used what was the predecessor to Clickteam Fusion

pliant socket
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I eventually want to learn mips code

celest grove
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for N64?

pliant socket
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Yeahhh

celest grove
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PS1?

pliant socket
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N64 mostly

celest grove
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To be honest the CPU is not even the hardest part

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it's the rest lol

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also once you learn assembly language usually you learn the basics of a CPU alongside it

harsh dragon
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||You have no idea the emotions I felt upon seeing an eldritch tree god with the text “Master Crown” below the health bar. F-ing CHILLS||

celest grove
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and you can apply that knowledge elsewhere

leaden terrace
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||tag pls||

celest grove
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I knew how to N64 assembly language because of SNES

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though the CPU is still wildly different in syntax and stuff

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but the same concepts still apply

austere willow
pliant socket
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It definitely seems

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Really complex

celest grove
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believe me

pliant socket
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But im determined to learn it one day

celest grove
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it's not as complex until you learn x86 CPU stuff

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it's fucking shit

harsh dragon
celest grove
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I don't know how can anyone like assembly language for today's x86 CPUs

ocean mauve
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86???!!!

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the funny number

celest grove
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lol

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x86 actually means like

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x86 series

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8086

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and so on

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current CPUs for PCs are based on... a CPU from the late 70s.

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except they kept adding stuff to it

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...and it sounds just as bad as it sounds like

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it's a freaking patchwork

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all for the benefit of backward compatibility

leaden terrace
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goddamn

celest grove
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your computer... provided you slow it down massively

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can in theory run software from the late 70s

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lol

austere willow
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wow

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i can launch the NASA rockets

celest grove
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the Game Boy runs using a custom CPU based from the Zilog Z80... itself based from the Intel 8080.

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Well I say based from Intel 8080 but technically still different

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but you could run Intel 8080 programs on the Z80 and it would work perfectly lol

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in fact Intel used to have such terrible development programs that most devs went to Zilog's dev kit to make programs for the Intel 8080 (and Z80)

austere willow
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so youre saying theres a chance that HAL chose its name not just for the IBM thing but also for the 86 thing

celest grove
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nah

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lol

austere willow
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f

celest grove
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also at the time computers weren't standard

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The IBM PC wasn't a standard yet

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just look at the amount of computers that existed in the 70s, 80s and even some of the 90s

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many of them weren't even compatible with each other

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HAL had to make games for many computers that weren't compatible back then

austere willow
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oh so the IBM thing wasnt true

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?

celest grove
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They probably had IBM in mind

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because IBM was still huge in the industry

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but they weren't a standard

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just one of the big ones

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you had like

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Sharp, IBM, Atari, Commodore, NEC, Fujitsu

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all fighting in the computer space

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There was at least one standard back then though

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it's called MSX

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and many manufacturers made MSX computers

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...mostly in Japan

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though it did exist in the entire world

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just that the occident cared more about computers like ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 and the likes

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fun fact the MSX3 standard is about to exist

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like, now

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one of the original designers worked on it iirc

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the MSX was huge in Japan as it had many game makers on it

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HAL was one of them

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but also Konami made a lot of games for it

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...such as Metal Gear

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where the superior versions are on MSX

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that said japanese computers have such aesthetics lol

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hi MSX from Sony

austere willow
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PCs will be built off of that(?)

celest grove
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Back then PCs actually exclusively meant the brand from IBM

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hence why I do mention IBM PC specifically

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and when software came out once IBM PCs started to be cloned

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you had the mention of "IBM PC and compatibles"

novel fog
austere willow
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:O

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i see

celest grove
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oh yeah that did exist in 1968

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but HAL did also say HAL to be one step above IBM

novel fog
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did they?

celest grove
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they did

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...but they also mentioned 2001: A Space Odyssey

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maybe it was both

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who knows

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HAL still cares about computer history at least

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considering they made literally 2 PC minis

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which is called PasocomMini

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(Pasocom aka shortened japanese for Personal Computer)

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the PasocomMini MZ-80C

austere willow
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when was that

celest grove
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(originally from Sharp)

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2018 I think?

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it's actually a Raspberry Pi in it

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but it comes with emulation of the MZ-80C with included software

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including some from HAL and other publishers

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and then it also comes with SmileBasic

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as computers back then used to have a Basic programming language interpreter

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and SmileBasic pretty much represents that kind of thing pretty well while still being modern enough

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you could have SmileBasic on 3DS and Wii U

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but now there's SmileBasic 4 on Switch

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where you can do 3D graphics now

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it also works with a USB keyboard and mouse

austere willow
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thats fun to develop

celest grove
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if you want a taste of how old computers were like SmileBasic 4 is pretty good at conveying that

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later on HAL made the PasocomMini PC-8001

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also a Raspberry Pi, with NEC PC-8001 emulation + included software

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and of course SmileBasic as well

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and yes this computer is like one of the predecessors of the PC-88 and PC-98

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the last one where Touhou was born

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(and RPG Maker, as well)

austere willow
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they really love game making huh

celest grove
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PasocomMini is like a reminder of what HAL was back then

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they used to sell computers as well

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but also made software

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and then made hardware at times

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and since HAL was familiar with like, most computers

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they were also familiar with the Commodore 64

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that's the reason why they went to Nintendo

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because the Famicom CPU was pretty much derived from the C64's 6502 CPU

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most programmers in Japan were familiar with the Zilog Z80

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except that Nintendo's attempt to make a cheap console meant they had to go with alternate choices

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and the 6502 CPU was not quite a popular CPU in Japan

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but HAL was familiar with it

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...hence why their first job was to fix Pinball on NES.

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for Nintendo, that is

austere willow
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oh is

celest grove
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as back then, Nintendo didn't have internal developers

austere willow
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that why HAL's been a support team in terms of code after that

celest grove
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Nintendo had a design team, but they always relied on outside devs to actually program

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SRD Co. Ltd was the common one they relied with

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Then they got HAL Laboratory as well

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it's only around the SNES days when Nintendo started to actually have some actual devs

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and even then, during the SNES days, they still had SRD and HAL to help with

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SRD never actually stopped to help Nintendo

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to the point even though they weren't owned by Nintendo, they were located inside Nintendo's building

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though eventually they did buy them a few years ago

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but yeah in every single first party Nintendo game, you still had SRD staff working

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to this day

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the president of SRD is the freaking programmer of Super Mario Bros. and Zelda

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and he is still helping around

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that said back then SRD felt a bit... unskilled

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compared to HAL

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During programming of Balloon Fight

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SRD was doing the arcade version, HAL was doing the Famicom version

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SRD was like "wait Iwata how did you program such good physics"

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And I think that indirectly helped development of Super Mario Bros's physics

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once SRD had good knowledge of physics programming

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HAL just had very good programmers lol

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and seemingly ready to share knowledge with SRD

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I think there isn't enough interviews of programmers lol

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I would defo want to hear from Toshihiko Nakago, the original programmer of SMB1 and Zelda lol

celest grove
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(BTW I bought like... 6 of the Maker series on PS1 yesterday)

jolly valve
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||Fandom Wiki finally counts GK canon through SKC lmao||

leaden terrace
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Hell yeah

ruby narwhal
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||that technically means that gk made a canonical appearance before morpho||

rustic trellis
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||GK when he becomes canon both before and after morpho||

junior fiber
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canon this canon that how about you canon these nuts

proper spindle
ruby narwhal
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||he made the appearance itself before but it was full on confirmed after so make of that what you will||

lofty condor
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Cannonball jumpscare

heady relic
vocal latch
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@granite cedar remember the land of dreams = Halcandra thing I found,
IMAGINE THE BEAST PACK SUCCEEDING WITH COMPLETING ELFILIS, AND BEING EXCITED TO GO TO THE LAND OF DREAMS, ONLY TO GET TO HALCANDRA

vapid kestrel
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Wtf who recorded this

vast basin
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idk

junior fiber
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who even made that

smoky adder
celest grove
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well he looks like what Kirby games looks like at the end

smoky adder
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what a man

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i love shinya kumazakis wild ride

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kirby loving his dad headpats

celest grove
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I still will never forgive them for not recording this moment with Sakurai

smoky adder
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same

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MAKIKO SAYING PAPA

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as kirby to sakurai

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🥺

lofty condor
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YEUEIEIOSODPEPPW

junior fiber
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😭😭😭😭

granite cedar
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leon when he was literally manipulated into wanting something that is a complete hell

junior fiber
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“Ermmm awkward” -Sillydillo

tawdry mulch
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This is more like the land of nightmares 🤣

granite cedar
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you know what is a scary thought

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the reality where magolor incident never happened, forgo actually succeeded at going to "land of dreams"

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and he discovers master crown there.

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he puts it on

junior fiber
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Immediately killed by Morpho

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Dw

smoky adder
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there like wow this sucks let's go back home

novel fog
junior fiber
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  • eyeball
tawdry mulch
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This is the most next level plot twist in the world if ||Halcandra is the Land of Dreams after FL and it's novel alluded to Pop Star cause Halcandra actually IS a Pop Star cause funny Clash||

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Kumazakis barbeque

junior fiber
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the stove is on fire

spark lotus
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after you defeat Morpho in FL Fecto starts to take over their fusion, so Crowned Fecto would be crazy..

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imagine the eye floats between their horns like some kind of eye of sauron

tawdry mulch
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Third eye because psychic!!

vapid kestrel
vocal latch
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DARK MIND

tawdry mulch
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Why did Lab Discovera even have hamster wheels

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That's weird

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And concerning

floral mantle
tawdry mulch
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Guess Forgo didn't think they were good enough for the job

junior fiber
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yeah i always thought that was strange

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how LD had hamster wheels ALREADY built

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like coolwth

tawdry mulch
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Morally reprehensible studies

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Those things were on display too LMFAO

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You see them as part of the tour hello

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Surely that is offputting

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I wonder if they already had Waddle Dees working those initially lmfao

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So Forgo was like "yeah I need these fucking things back"

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Workaholic tangerines

junior fiber
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they had unpaid interns running on those wheels before

tawdry mulch
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Fun labor practices

thin prairie
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Kirby's dream buffet 2, sounds legit

vapid kestrel
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I was so confused when I saw that lol

tawdry mulch
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Kirby's dream buffet 2 omg

leaden terrace
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wow cant believe they released kirby's dream buffet 2 already

junior fiber
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HAL has been making so many kirby games we're eating good

tawdry mulch
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Until Kirby clash 3 20 fps Kirby is the wrong shade of pink and evil dedede

floral mantle
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I think I know what's up with Hamster Wheels in Lab Discovera...

Awoofies were used to power them, but once the Beast Pack is formed, Leongar refused to force his minions as manual labor so they use the Waddle Dees instead

floral mantle
vapid kestrel
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Why would the awoofies be powering the hamster wheels before the beast pack formed

tawdry mulch
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Rick was used in the hamster wheels because he isha mster

floral mantle
lost briar
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Rick found dead in Miami

junior fiber
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mutated sunfish found dead in florida beaches

floral mantle
tawdry mulch
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New World people stealing Waddle Dees for menial labor is fun and also cruel

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Forgo had to get the idea from somewhere though LMAO

floral mantle
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They kidnap Awoofies back then, why else are they so agressive?

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Actually nvm

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They use Primal Awoofies, not normal Awoofies

vapid kestrel
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Imagine being cringe and needing more energy

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Imagine not having infinite power

junior fiber
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imagine not having infinite potential

floral mantle
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Imagine losing even after getting a bunch of power ups

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who will win? A being fused with a literal Grim Reaper, and is in his perfect form, or a Pink Puffball who took some muscle milk?

neat path
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Kirby always wins everything, no matter what.

tawdry mulch
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Local gumball saves the world from destruction yet again

floral mantle
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Who beat Chaos Elfilis with no power up?

neat path
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Meeeeee!

vapid kestrel
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Star Dream: I need to conquer planets for their resources! Susie tell them how they're squandering their planet!!!!
Forgo: To survive outside my capsule I need to gather more energy!!!!!! I need the beast pack to gather food for me and the waddle dees to run on treadmills!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sectonia: I will turn into a plant and leech off of the power of this planet for all eternity!!!!!!!!!
Magolor: Infinite power go brrrrrrrrrrrt

tawdry mulch
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Everyone who is awesome (me)

neat path
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Kirby: SUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCC

junior fiber
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how does a crown store infinite power that goes against physics i think

floral mantle
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Imagine making a wish upon a Clockwork star to become stronger...

odd rover
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Me when I use the master crown as a battery

vapid kestrel
junior fiber
floral mantle
neat path
floral mantle
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How does hitting the ground with a toy hammer sent you flying?

junior fiber
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charging your phone with the master crown would no doubt turn it evil

leaden terrace
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Phone Soul

neat path
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As if phones aren’t already evil, with all the government tracking.

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And tracking from companies

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Etc

floral mantle
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Let's charge a Nokia with Master Crown

odd rover
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Crowned starts playing when I power my house with the Master Crown

cursive sandal
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That's a nice cat

pliant socket
neat path
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He’s right behind me, isn’t he?

novel fog
rustic trellis
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hey guys just got here, also wanna know who put this cute yellow crown accessory on the top of my phone

neat path
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GET OUT OF THERE

rustic trellis
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Huh, my phones fully charged despite me being like 90% sure i forgor to charge it last night

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neat

floral mantle
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Is CROWNED playing?

rustic trellis
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yeah in my headphones why?

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also why do you know what im listening too thats kinda creepy

leaden terrace
pliant socket
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So true

rustic trellis
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sectonia

neat path
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Taranza complicit in murdering his ex.

quartz skiff
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||the quadruple doomers||

cursive sandal
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Yes continue posting gifs of them

ruby narwhal
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“Your PC Has viruses”

cursive sandal
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Peak fiction

cursive sandal
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Exactly

stray arch
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What do the banners in Merry Magoland say?

fleet prism
fleet prism
main fractal
limpid edge
leaden terrace
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you see

rustic trellis
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I would love too but you have to see for yourself. Just go back to Feburary 12 in #1019293243944476672

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Ask any of us and we will just tell you nothing happened

leaden terrace
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:)

leaden terrace
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i was looking for this video ty

fleet prism
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:snowmisery:

stray arch
rustic trellis
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If i had to compare it to something

leaden terrace
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It was dededeclothedDX

rustic trellis
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its like a cult taking over a country at a breakneck pace

stray arch
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Oh

limpid edge
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Was going to say I don't see anything wrong, then realised because of timezone shenanigans it's the 13th for me and... Yeah

rustic trellis
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literally 1984

stray arch
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Ok

fleet prism
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and everyone in that cult is clinically insane

stray arch
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Average day on discord tbh

leaden terrace
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when ||a hydriath and a electricky dooter loves each other very much|| that is what hapepned

rustic trellis
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some people were extremely corrupted

stray arch
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Why does everyone like hydriath so much

rustic trellis
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i still dont know if faye ever fully recovered tbh

spark lotus
fleet prism
spark lotus
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Well maybe I'm a bit too new here but I would imagine he's everywhere because his design is bad

leaden terrace
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WHAT

spark lotus
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Yellow water.

leaden terrace
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ITS GOLDEN WATER

leaden terrace
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ITS SHIMMERING GLISTENING GOLDEN WATER

faint galleon
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Piss

spark lotus
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A golden shower hmmm

faint galleon
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It's piss

spark lotus
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I guess the fact he's a sea monkey is funny?

stray arch
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He goes super saiyan so hard he turns water into piss

limpid edge
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||Golden Shower Requiem||

leaden terrace
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okay but hes an ATLANTIC SEA MONKEY

rustic trellis
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as opposed to a pacific sea monkey?

spark lotus
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Put scales on an orb it looks kinda weird

limpid edge
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I'm just saying, you DON'T want to mess with a Mediterranean Sea Monkey

fleet prism
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I love how there's one (1) normal magolor epilogue gif on tenor
And then all of the 20 other gifs are complete nonsense

leaden terrace
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this magolor is LOST

rustic trellis
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we did this

fleet prism
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This is by far the worst one

leaden terrace
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id love a hydriath tatto

stray arch
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All this time I thought it was Magolor**'s** epilogue

leaden terrace
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ah nahhh at this point he doesnt own shit leepertroll

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not even his powers

fleet prism
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Notice how the book is empty

leaden terrace
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thats because WE are the fiction

fleet prism
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That's because words simply cannot describe Hydriath

rustic trellis
stray arch
leaden terrace
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WE are Hydriath's fiction

rustic trellis
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this is Hydriath's world and we're just living in it

leaden terrace
fleet prism
cursive sandal
rustic trellis
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i feel like every time i listen to it the song gets faster

stray arch
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Soon Hydriath and Electricky Dooter are gonna spread so much that whatever you search on tenor gifs, that pops up

rustic trellis
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We have already corrputed the search results for magolor epilogue

leaden terrace
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imagine if we add the kirby tags

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that would cause sooo much chaos

rustic trellis
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this is the only gif from kirby in the "epilogue" results

fleet prism
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It's spreading

leaden terrace
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omg

burnt marsh
rustic trellis
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if its still in the results now imagine how it was on feburary 12th

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iirc people chain posted it

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then again could be wrong, February 12th feels like a fever dream

leaden terrace
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We constantly posted the same sticker that doesnt exist rn

rustic trellis
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rip the sticker

leaden terrace
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but once the spoiler embargo is lifted, i ASSURE you

main fractal
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Why was it deleted

rustic trellis
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spoilers

main fractal
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Villainy

leaden terrace
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censorship

fleet prism
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Literally 1989

rustic trellis
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the elemental bosses classify as spoilers

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Literally the bite of '87

fleet prism
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1981 has never felt this close

rustic trellis
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i cant believe this is just like the hit book 1985

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kinda weird how its about 1983 tho

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4/10 title

fleet prism
rustic trellis
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you see this is how they get us

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Were in a time loop, the embargo will never actually end

fleet prism
# fleet prism

I'd try to upload this to the tenor epilogue gif pile but I think that tenor either shadowbanned me or there's something wrong with my account

junior fiber
fleet prism
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LITERALLY

neat path
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Electricy Dooter, Fiery Puffer, and Hydriath are all gay and in a poly relationship.

pliant socket
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As they should

rustic trellis
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Rampaging doomers is to busy putting viruses in our computers to be gay

main fractal
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They're gay for each other

rustic trellis
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I never thought id ask this question in a kirby server of all things

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but

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would that be selfcest?

neat path
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No

pliant socket
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no

neat path
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But it would be incest, as they’re all Crowned Doomer’s children

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Crowned Doomer is also the fourth member of the polycule, lol.

pliant socket
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We should probably stop

lost briar
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yes..

rustic trellis
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we shouldve stopped earlier

pliant socket
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Yeah! Better to stop now though

leaden terrace
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okay so egg

main fractal
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Me

rustic trellis
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We're not time travelers so no point dwelling on it

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||Get the egg to fix our mistakes||

main fractal
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I killed him

rustic trellis
#

you fool

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who else is gonna time travel now?

main fractal
#

Me

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But only for a price!

rustic trellis
#

what if i ate butterfly wings for dinner tho?

main fractal
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||30000 gem apples and I'll time travel!||

pliant socket
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||Opinions on this portal.||

leaden terrace
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HISSSSSSSSSSSSS

main fractal
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Drink

leaden terrace
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HACK PTOO

rustic trellis
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its a portal to another dimension

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i wanna know why it formed tbh

spark lotus
rustic trellis
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what decided it to form there

spark lotus
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sorry im bad with names

pliant socket
spark lotus
main fractal
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Pine

junior fiber
spark lotus
neat path
prisma island
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what did I walk into

neat path
#

Alright, sorry.

stray arch
#

At this point I can't tell if it's a joke or not anymore

pliant socket
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I was joking

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idk about everyone else tho

main fractal
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Why do I walk into cursed shit

pliant socket
#

Anyhoo

main fractal
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MP3

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Wait thats an S fuck

pliant socket
#

This still gives me chills

pliant socket
main fractal
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Mp2

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||True Arena Magolor is so upsetting||

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||The team really said "we've had too many good endings lately, let's kill Magolor!"||

hexed current
prisma island
prisma island
main fractal
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||Sopping wet meow meow||

neat path
#

He was too busy with an alternate Sectonia.

prisma island
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day 86: they've noticed my pink skin but I still don't think they suspect anything

main fractal
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Beats blue

celest grove
#

da ba dee da ba da

neat path
#

Day 87: One of the robot Waddle Dees ate the frontal lobe of one of the child Dees. I am horrified.

stray arch
neat path
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Sus

stray arch
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you can eat the rockets in Metal General's fight!?

#

what!

neat path
#

Oh

stray arch
#

I heard it gives you the crash ability but I also heard that the damage was nerfed

spiral bobcat
#

Of course Merry Magoland was the last thing to do

pliant socket
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I usually do it first

main fractal
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Holy shit same

spiral bobcat
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I only got the regular 100 out and the last 20 i saved after finishing main mode cause the missions were stupid hard

main fractal
#

They are

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As stupid as the guy who made them

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Uh oh think he heard me

weak narwhal
#

....

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they already made memes for this?

leaden terrace
#

Game has been out for like 2 weeks sure

lofty condor
#

The February 12th incident

craggy sable
#

This cutscene was shown prior to the release

prisma island
#

them's fighting words KirbKnife

stray arch
#

Wrong person

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I confused you with someone else

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My b

prisma island
#

Yeah I've had this for a week or so lol

pliant socket
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Me?

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No not at all

main fractal
#

I have trouble every day deciding the ultimate pfp

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I am eternally doomed to be inconsistent

peak dagger
#

I end up sticking with the same pfp for literal years sometimes because otherwise I lose the ability to tell which ones are my own posts lol

main fractal
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Feel you there for some reason

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Sometimes I find old posts and it takes me a minute to register it's mine

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If the message is from 2018 I cringe

peak dagger
#

People here tend to change pfp and nicknames a lot. And everytime someone changes both at once, it's like meeting someone new lol

floral mantle
#

Dream Gear outfits looks amazing. Imma make one my pfp

main fractal
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Not Jack horner!

thin forge
#

yes jack horner

main fractal
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The only time I was consistent was when I used Ralph Bakshi Gandalf as a pfp

prisma island
#

I generally don't have consistent pfps but I can usually stick with one for a few weeks before changing
Nicknames are pretty consistent

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I've been running Magolor pfps for the past couple of months at least lmao

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literally everything I've drawn during that time has included him too; I might be a bit obsessed

main fractal
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Recycle

maiden swan
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My pfps are either a piece of kirby art I like or something I have my friend upscale a bunch of times until it crashes his app

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Right now it’s the latter

main fractal
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My pfps are whatever is in my gallery at the time

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My last one was berryboy

neat path
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I change my pfp whenever I feel like, and right now, it's my Homestuck OC >:3

brazen drift
#

Listen I just like having a disappointed dee as a pfp

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The glitch is fun too i guess

thin forge
#

bro is disappointed he got glitched

thin forge
#

bro elfilin what the hell you doin

neat path
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That yoinky sploinky

neat path
#

Expected

fathom flicker
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I've been hammering away at the Merry Magoland missions

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only 4 left (which I can cheese with extra controllers)

neat path
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E🅱️ic

brazen drift
fathom flicker
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...no?

neat path
#

You wouldn't download a Magolor

brazen drift
#

whew close one

brazen drift
fathom flicker
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I'm not using a TAS

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these are just other controllers lol

cursive sandal
#

I love that gif so much

solar harbor
fathom flicker
odd rover
#

I am significantly better at Samurai Kirby with joy-cons than a pro controller

spark lotus
#

how many no ability true arena runs are there

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I just found one with the title claiming it has no recovery

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and "first generation style" according to google translate which would mean.. no blocking/dodging? 😳

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I havent watched through all of it yet but here ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyi2gDz0k9I||

有限実行ということで自分とっては恒例の初代式すっぴん縛りを星のカービィwiiデラックスの真・格闘王への道にて実行しました。(VOICEVOX解説実況付きで)

縛り条件(シリーズ共通)
・能力の使用禁止(どうしても必要な時以外)
・ダッシュ禁止
・スライディング禁止
・ガード/緊急回避禁止
・回復禁止(強制取得はなかったことにする)

星のカービィ初代式縛り:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDgXOn2Dx_k&list=PLBTKBOosfk105yZfsTxT1j--rsz1kIb_w

補足
がんばり吸い込みは吸い込みの延長線上にあるのでアリとする
なるべくシリーズ全体での条件を同じにするためがんばり吸い込みは自動発動のもののみ使用する
同時吸い...

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so far they don't appear to be using dash either awk at least for the first fight

burnt marsh
#

idk why but it seems like pro controllers have like

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a millisecond of input delay

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though i still prefer using mine over the joycons because drift sucks

junior mesa
#

its probably bc joycon buttons are clickier

peak dagger
#

I wish they made "pro controllers" the same size and shape as joycons in the holder. Nearly every pro controller, official or third party, is so huge. My tiny hands hate them.

junior mesa
#

less delay in the action of pressing

burnt marsh
#

pro controllers are better for me because i have giant ass fingers and i hate it

junior mesa
peak dagger
#

Yeah

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I'm just thinking, even as just a second option, it would be nice

junior mesa
#

my hands are pretty average methinks(?), and I've found both pro & normal joycon comfortable in different ways
the Lite is more comfortable than joycons for me tho

peak dagger
#

I have some "retro" style controllers where they replace the sticks with dpads. They're on the smaller side, which is nice. They don't work as well for non 2d games though

spark lotus
#

True Arena ||The scales stretch..||

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probably the same thing happens in the normal fight but its way less noticeable

neat path
#

Hydriath really do be Hydriath

prisma island
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e x t e n d

gleaming nest
#

||Was the second phase of magolor soul in the true arena in the original game or not||

maiden swan
#

No

gleaming nest
#

Also I got 100% last night :)

thin forge
#

goriath (and variants) try to stay in one area challenge (impossible)

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fatty puffer (and variants) try not to have invincibility for no reason challenge (impossible)

junior fiber
#

more like goriath let me hit you and stop jumping around ffs challenge

gleaming nest
#

||the boss I had the most trouble with was the metal general in egg engines on extra mode, there were like 4 phases||

faint galleon
#

(True Arena) I keep thinking about this

odd rover
#

Me when I eat it

faint galleon
#

Tasty

odd rover
#

Seriously what do you think it is

lofty condor
#

||Void finding a place to sleep||

faint galleon
#

||That Dimension's void clearly...||

lofty condor
#

||Also the fact that thing pulsates is kinda 🤨||

covert jasper
fair oriole
#

Just beat the true arena as dedede

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Had to use 2 maxim tomatoes

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Did it in 26:41,03 (second)
My best run is 25:41,03(tornado)

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I'll try meta knight now

lost frost
#

weird how I asked for this then buggered off and never came back, anyways thanks!

midnight kelp
fair oriole
#

I'm bad at video games

midnight kelp
#

Ok

junior fiber
maiden swan
#

It’s probably like tofu

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Takes the taste of whatever you put it with

neat path
#

Blue raspberry

maiden swan
#

I like this answer too

neat path
#

The real reason Sand is so good is because sand in the eyes hurts like a bitch.

molten vapor
#

i think it tastes like gatorade blue

neat path
#

Potentially

molten vapor
#

i would like to poke a straw into it, and then drink it all

stray arch
#

It probably tastes like window cleaner and sadness

neat path
#

I wanna do that to the actual Void.

molten vapor
#

that would either turn you into god, or send you to him

stray arch
#

Why not both?

neat path
#

It'll send me to God so I can kill him

stray arch
#

Do you think the ability stars taste good?

molten vapor
#

i assume they taste like glass mixed with plastic, but glowier

neat path
#

Sword tastes like metal, sand tastes like sand, fire tastes like fire.

stray arch
#

Just like a real sword

#

I wanna make something now.

#

One second

molten vapor
#

im scared

brazen drift
#

Stone is really crunchy. Tastes like rock candy

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Now I kinda want to make a tier list of the copy abilities on how I think they would taste

clever canyon
#

I mean, HAL has pretty much gotten rid of the "pause for lore" with Forgotten Land. They just didnt do the same for Deluxe becasue they would of had to tell the story a whole new way with it being a port with new content. But I am sure most kirby games will follow Forgotten Land's example unless its a port of a 3ds game

celest grove
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No they could have changed it

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...by at least giving pause lore into a menu

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pause lore is just text

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the story doesn't even change

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it's just text

clever canyon
#

Eh, I dont think it would of been able to work out. They would have had to find a new to place the text. Guess it wouldnt of been that hard, but for the ports, HAL dont feel the need to do it

celest grove
#

yes just literally a button in the menu

#

just unlock them as you do the bosses

clever canyon
#

you wanted all the text lore to have its own section in the menu?

celest grove
#

yes

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literally just like the figures in FL in a sense, even

#

it is just a fancy way to have text lore in a menu

clever canyon
#

well, they could of done it. I guess HAL just didnt want to change much with the port

burnt slate
#

How soulless frosty

celest grove
#

at worst they could have just

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unlock pause lore as you get spheres

#

while keeping into account the bosses or something

#

so you can't just unlock them before you see them

#

I dunno really

clever canyon
#

Forgotten Land is my favorite kirby game and I think it has the best told story in any of the games.

peak dagger
#

Set up something like the "theater" where stuff you should have already been able to read can be re-viewed whenever instead of having to fight the boss again ?

celest grove
#

yes

peak dagger
#

I can get behind that

odd rover
#

Bestiary

celest grove
#

it can even be all descriptions

#

including copy abilities and characters

peak dagger
celest grove
#

heck you could add a condition to at least try out the copy ability to unlock it

clever canyon
#

Deluxe not having a lore menu isnt that big of a deal to me since it is just a port. I dont think its that important there. As long as Hal improves with brand new kirby games.

peak dagger
#

I don't have strong feelings on this, but think it could be cool

celest grove
#

I just don't like pausing in games

#

I want the action

brazen drift
celest grove
#

I hate that I miss lore just because I don't like pausing

odd rover
#

I genuinely remember a post on r/Kirby with the drake meme but Pause screens vs figurines

clever canyon
#

I mean, you just have to pause for 1 min. Its not that long . But besides that, pause lore is the easy way out of making lore and I am glad Forgotten Land told the story much morre better.

brazen drift
#

Originally I missed the pause screen Lore when it was removed from FL but I actually prefer how it was implemented in that game

odd rover
celest grove
#

I still prefer figs so much

brazen drift
#

As do I

clever canyon
#

Forgotten Land didnt have any pause land lore and it had best story vibes

odd rover
#

Figures are so much better

celest grove
#

also it's not that the story was told better in FL because I do kinda think it's similarly structured like before

brazen drift
#

The gacha element is a tad annoying, but it helped that they split it in 4 groups

#

If it were all 1 group it would probably be way worse

celest grove
#

imo it's not better

#

it's just that the lore is better placed

#

and even allows more out of that

clever canyon
#

Forgotten Land is my favorite game and story. I think the story is one of the best in the series

celest grove
#

because there's way more opportunities to put lore

clever canyon
#

I have reasons I am not going to go intno now, cause I gotta put it into good words

#

and if I tried explaining now, it would be bad

odd rover
#

I remember arguing with someone who was saying Pause descriptions > Figurines because figurine collecting “breaks flow”

celest grove
#

I do think like, FL and RTDL have the exact same story structure to some extent

clever canyon
#

eh

celest grove
#

start with a big cutscene where something bad happens, you meet the friend who constantly talks

clever canyon
#

the friend in FL is nothing like Magolor

molten vapor
#

i like pause screens because their more iconic

celest grove
#

Elfilin is just as talkative if you try

#

it's a character you regularly see, in any case

clever canyon
#

no, they arent

#

I really gotta disagree with you

#

very different characters

celest grove
#

I didn't say the character was the same

#

I never said that

#

Just that it is a character you also see a lot

clever canyon
#

also the intro of Forgotten Land starts with way more urgency than "uh oh, someone's ship crash. Lets help them"

#

Forgotten Land starts with a villain force

celest grove
#

I said constantly talks but it is way more talkative than literally Taranza and Susie (who you meet just twice until the end of the game)

clever canyon
#

Return to Dreamland mostly have no villain known for a while

#

just you trying to help someone

maiden crane
#

i mean rtdl starting with that isnt necessarily a bad thing

celest grove
#

I said structure and you go with the specifics

clever canyon
#

I didnt say it was a bad thing

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I am just saying they are not the same

celest grove
#

also I never said it was a bad thing

rustic ether
#

||Magalor Soul has another phase kirbwah ||

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||he fucked me hard ;;||

odd rover
#

Yaku is right they do have similar structures

  • Big opening cutscene
  • Mid-story stinger before the final two levels
  • Dramatic final battle
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Only difference is that FL has a prologue stage

celest grove
#
  • Bad moment happens at the start (I dare say RTDL and FL are opposites but it's still stuff goes into another world)
  • Character that you see a lot is at the center of the story
  • After 4 or 5 worlds, a big event happens and it's kinda bad
  • Up the stakes environmentally in levels
  • The final moments of the game puts everything into light
clever canyon
#

😭

#

well, Hal needs to change it up

celest grove
#

in many ways RTDL & FL are opposites

#

but it's still the same structure

clever canyon
#

well, maybe they will change it next game. They shouldnt use the same structure.

celest grove
#

and again

#

it's not necessarily bad

#

and it only mostly happened twice.

odd rover
#

11 years apart even

celest grove
#

Triple Deluxe was kind of different

solar harbor
celest grove
#

Planet Robobot tried to intersperse story throughout

solar harbor
celest grove
#

Star Allies tried to take the story a slight bit more involved

#

but it's still mostly like RTDL in a sense

clever canyon
#

do people still like Robobot?

celest grove
#

I love Robobot

solar harbor
#

Robobot is epic

clever canyon
#

Star Allies was an let down, the main story. Wish they didnt rush it out for the switch

smoky adder
#

people love robobot

#

it is very good

celest grove
#

I just think the story told in-game VS what was told on Miiverse is a let down

#

otherwise I love Robobot

clever canyon
#

all I remember about the story is that Susie hates Haltman and Haltman dies a brutal death

solar harbor
#

You can tell because Kumazaki was screaming at the workload

celest grove
#

To be honest I don't think Haltmann died a brutal death lol

odd rover
#

Off topic but it’s funny how it the light novel adaptation, Everbay Coast is skipped meaning something like

“Hey Kirby haven’t you noticed the areas we’ve been to spell out NW WORLD? I feel like something’s missing though.”

celest grove
#

however in one aspect of it, we literally erase him from existence

maiden crane
#

0/10 this novel is trash

odd rover
#

Yeah skip straight to Wondaria

#

Not even Tropic Woods made it in

maiden crane
#

💀

odd rover
#

Or Phantom Tropic Woods

solar harbor
#

BRUUUH

#

Tropic Woods erasure

clever canyon
#

the second world was cool buti t was the least entertaining world

celest grove
#

Anyway I do wish for Kirby to take a little more ambitious route for story

maiden crane
#

novel said "i love hate trees"

celest grove
#

not necessarily filled with cutscenes

#

but maybe at the end of each world, there's something

clever canyon
#

At least Kirby is doing its story better than zelda but yeah, would be nice to see them do a bit more but I doubt honestly.

celest grove
#

Note that I never expect Kirby to be story heavy

odd rover
#

Yeah at the beginning and end of each level just a small something

celest grove
#

it's still more about the gameplay than the story

odd rover
celest grove
#

but I do think having a bit of story moment between worlds does not ruin the pace

#

or do even more work into environmental story telling

#

which FL kinda tried to do

#

but I think the whole translatable alphabet is actually not very interesting

clever canyon
#

Nintendo IPs are always scared to do more with story

celest grove
#

also Zelda BOTW does story fine.

clever canyon
#

BOTW story is horrible

#

it might as well not have a story

celest grove
#

People are just angry there's no linear story

#

even though it still has a lot to tell

#

people just hate looking for lore

clever canyon
#

no they dont

#

the story in BOTW is legit bad

celest grove
#

BOTW is filled with lore

clever canyon
#

the champions are awful

odd rover
#

Mfw no linear story in an open world game

celest grove
#

I will defend BOTW's story

clever canyon
#

be my guest. I been a zelda fan for years since OOT.

odd rover
#

Do ppl actually hate the story of BOTW?

clever canyon
#

yes

celest grove
#

yes because there's nothing in front of you

clever canyon
#

I talk in the zelda discord

rustic ether
#

I just don’t like Zelda lol

maiden crane
#

botw barely has a story and thats fine

celest grove
#

if you want a story, you gotta seek it

maiden crane
#

its just

celest grove
#

but that's too much for Zelda fans

rustic ether
#

I like some of the older ones than the new ones

maiden crane
#

"so yeah...ganon won 100 yeats ago"

rustic ether
#

Like Link to the Past

odd rover
clever canyon
#

Zelda Team cant write a good story anymore

maiden crane
#

"now go defeat him once and for all and maybe free the souls of your old friends"

clever canyon
#

they need to hire writers

maiden crane
#

also

celest grove
#

Literally every other Zelda games, the story is spoon fed

maiden crane
#

age of calamity

#

is right there

celest grove
#

BOTW is the one that doesn't

#

because the game just can't do it

clever canyon
#

age of caalmity is fan fic

smoky adder
#

is there like a archive of miiverse lore

maiden crane
#

at least the story isnt dark souls cryptic

#

cause christ

rustic ether
#

ANYWAYS Kirby right

celest grove
#

i'm sure TOTK will actually try a bit more

clever canyon
#

Nintendo dont even want to market TOTK. 😭

smoky adder
#

i wanna read the miiverse lore

celest grove
#

but when BOTW was made, I dunno how it could be better

maiden crane
#

was botw nintendo's first major like

#

open world

rustic ether
#

How do y’all deal with the ||Crowned Doomer in True Arena? He’s been giving me the most trouble during my runs.||

celest grove
#

yes

#

in fact BOTW is like, Nintendo's biggest game

maiden crane
#

cause then its understandable

celest grove
#

it had the biggest team

solar harbor
celest grove
#

but I still defend BOTW's story

odd rover
#

Difficulty gets halved imo

celest grove
#

they just went with more lore than just spoon feeding a story

clever canyon
#

I love the zelda game and I want TOTK to be amazing

#

dont get me wrong

solar harbor
#

Step 2: I use Sand or Meta Knight
Step 3: If you're still having trouble, grind Egg Catcher and get food

celest grove
#

because it made way more sense for BOTW's game design

maiden crane
#

i think botw's lack of proper story also helps in just taking in the environment

smoky adder
#

does anyone know where i can read the miiverse lore

clever canyon
#

but I just not sure how confident I am with Nintendo when they are not marketing their own game

celest grove
#

Also Nintendo does not need to market TOTK.

#

it's not a lack of confidence

clever canyon
#

its a red flag to me

celest grove
#

Fans are really good at hyping it up themselves.

rustic ether
maiden crane
#

they just need to show more of whats actually different instead of leaving us in the dark imo

#

like we have bits and pieces

celest grove
#

Also Nintendo actually just wants to keep a lot of the game secret

clever canyon
#

I really want TOTK to be a huge improvement from BOTW. With enemy vareity and better bosse

celest grove
#

in fact BOTW was the same thing

solar harbor
clever canyon
#

comapnies shouldnt keep a game a secret as an excuse to not market, imo

solar harbor
#

Plus the guard also protects from most attacks, even those that crush you

covert jasper
#

RtDLD spoilers thread be in topic challenge

celest grove
#

lol

#

yeah

#

sorry

solar harbor
#

NOTICE: You can't dodge black holes with the Sand guard, it made me feel so horrible eye_am_at_my_limit eye_am_at_my_limit eye_am_at_my_limit eye_am_at_my_limit eye_am_at_my_limit

rustic ether
#

Yeah but it cant reach some bosses like the ||Goriaths||

maiden crane
#

kirby and the divine beast leosus

celest grove
#

tbh I don't have much to say else

clever canyon
#

I will move ot gaming channel

celest grove
#

I plan to sleep, tbh

solar harbor
celest grove
#

it's 3 AM

covert jasper
rustic ether
#

Lmao

solar harbor
#

Btw in Goriath and ||Hydriath|| you have to be patient at some points

#

You can try to strike him from behind if he's doing the long punches

maiden crane
solar harbor
#

Also another thing about Sand: you can use the guard, then press B to unleash a jump attack ala Hi-Jump

#

You can even use it to quickly get away from boss attacks if timed correctly

pliant socket
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You can't dodge ANY black hole with a guard that makes you completely invincible

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We've known that since leaf had one in the original

solar harbor
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I made two mistakes of dodging a fucking black hole in my time as a Kirby fan

pliant socket
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I should really compile all of the black hole animations actually

solar harbor
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It's just fucking painful to watch Kirby actually get sucked in to his doom tbh

odd rover
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Anyone noticed how stone runs are less popular

solar harbor
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Because 1. Insta-lose ability 2. Insta-death if you're low on HP 3. Help

And 4. Kirby sounds like he's burning up in flames

pliant socket
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I think the only games that have one are SS and SSU, RtDL, TD (maybe), PR, and FL

solar harbor
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TDX has no black holes I think

covert jasper
pliant socket
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smh smh guys I expected better /j

solar harbor
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This nearly ruined my mood honestly

pliant socket
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||Completely understandable I was fucking petrified when I got to the 2nd phase||

solar harbor
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Until I got 100% completion and received good news from Mousey

odd rover
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My tactic for the True Arena

  • Pick Mecha
  • Get all the amiibo I have
  • Item spam
  • If it doesn’t work improvise
solar harbor
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Mecha doesn't have great DPS

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That's why I went with Sand

odd rover
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It’s the ability I’m best with

solar harbor
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Tbh I might do another run with Bandee, but I wanna play Super Mario Galaxy first

solar harbor
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(Void Hyperion)

odd rover
solar harbor
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Tbh it's easy to read ||Crowned Doomer||'s attacks, same way as how I read Lor EX

odd rover
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And use the ability star as a star bullet

covert jasper
odd rover
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Oh sorry for the ping

covert jasper
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fair

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and nw

solar harbor
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Gigi did you beat True Arena btw

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I was hoping you didn't fail

vapid kestrel
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OH I SWEAR I'VE SAID THIS WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE AND NOW THEY FIXED IT

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Right side is RtDL Dx model left is SA model

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Big thing I said was wrong with the SA model's wings weren't actually that they were too small

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But that the shape of the feathers were really weird

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And the shape is so much better in RtDL!!!!!!

solar harbor
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Ah I see

covert jasper
spark lotus
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oh you got the

covert jasper
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I mean tbh GK SA appears for like seconds

spark lotus
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do you have a closeup of that nova mask render? the globe specifically

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it's for a friend /j but no really I know someone who wanted to see it and now I'm curious too

vapid kestrel
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Ok they actually like. Did this change for SKC

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So it looks like RtDL GK's model is just the SKC model but with regular GK proportions

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Instead of using the SA model

covert jasper
spark lotus
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its probably just 2d right

covert jasper
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the masks are all 3D

spark lotus
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the globe specifically isnt a full sphere tho right?

vapid kestrel
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They're like flattened 3D models

spark lotus
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i mean id love to be proven wrong

covert jasper
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oh then idk

vapid kestrel
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Its like an actual 3D mask, but it's still a mask

spark lotus
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whats even the point of the globe on nova, a spacefaring object. I mean yeah it has pianos and lightbulbs and a weathervane but still

thin prairie
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Me realizing the existence of a globe means without a doubt shiver star used to be earth or at least like earth

spark lotus
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ye thats the idea

solar harbor
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That's still a stretch though

spark lotus
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or at least that its a round planet for some reason

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which those do exist in Kirby..

solar harbor
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Because New World exists, making Earth a really questionnable topic

vapid kestrel
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Ok RtDL GK model straight up keeps SKC's longer horns on his mask and longer feet

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He uses the SKC wing model but shrunk down to regular GK size

odd rover
thin prairie
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New world doesn’t have to be earth
Plus Shiver star still has the land masses and moon of earth so Im pretty sure new world is jts own

vapid kestrel
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He also uses the SKC model for the shoulderpads but they're now closer to his body

odd rover
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New World could be a planet that’s basically Earth but not like the planet in FFVII

solar harbor
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If that was Earth then how tf did we do the New World language in real life