[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[leaden terrace]

WHAT DA FUCKKKKK

OR

OR

THEY COULDVE!!!!! NGAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[vapid kestrel]

‘So like they fight on a rock or maybe this weird demon monster carving i dunno’

[leaden terrace]

funniest thing is that they couldve led this to the buddhist implications of morpho

just make the monster buddhist-styled

or maybe thats too on the nose LOL idk its a funn thought

[vapid kestrel]

Funny thing about that

You know how MK has this big theme around Training or Discipline

[leaden terrace]

omfg

[leaden terrace]

BWUUUGHGHH

[vapid kestrel]

This is the term they use for it for some reason

[leaden terrace]

how did they do this

[vapid kestrel]

What was kuma cooking with sacred square

[austere willow]

i mean it IS a saint square

probably part religious

[leaden terrace]

WAIT IT IS BUDDHIST STYLED I SAW THE TEETH 😭

tho i guess the red color and the whole nature of the sculpture should give it away too

[vapid kestrel]

Honestly this is the first time I’ve talked about the word for MK’s training being ‘shugyo’ having ties with buddhism bc like

I half feel like I’m just a weeb touhou fan that goes wojak at buddhism lol

[leaden terrace]

all touhou fans lose their shit at buddhism

[vapid kestrel]

But like the term really is like mostly used for ascetic training and shit

[leaden terrace]

"OMG ITS LIKE SEIGA KAKU"

[vapid kestrel]

Sectonia when I call her Sectra Nyan Nyan and she stabs me through the chest

[leaden terrace]

😭

[vast basin]

https://tenor.com/view/taranza-die-kirby-kirby-taranza-taranza-kirby-skill-issue-gif-24198974

[leaden terrace]

BWUKWHKWJHH !?!?!????

[acoustic crescent]

https://twitter.com/NinStatusBot/status/1635166610838421505?t=tzFnRK8QrgUAeohlTIvyyw&s=19
???

[ocean mauve]

maybe they made the game good...

[weak narwhal]

hey I can post spoiler here

cause I actually played the entire game Spoiler free.

HOLY. HELL. MAGO EPIL is FUN.

wait-

ok, can swear.

OOOOOOOH HELLO

ahem.

scuse me.

I got to do something now-

[unique gyro]

it's for their data collection

that and probably also Samurai Kirby 100

[young gazelle]

ok so i was stupid and spoiled magologue for myself a while ago because i was bored but I have far more questions than answers

||Is it even canon? why does magolor go to the TKC timeline at the end??? How does he get back then?? Is 25th anniversary collection even canon anymore???||

[austere willow]

simple answer

||Magolor time travels||

[young gazelle]

oh GOD

[austere willow]

also ||TKC is not a timeline||

well it is

[young gazelle]

i couldnt think of a better word for it but yeah

different continuity

[austere willow]

hes the interdimensional traveler 'w'

w'

[vocal latch]

What if HR-D3 changes how it looks depending on who rides it lmfao

Like Robobot Armor

[young gazelle]

Also since this is pretty much the kirby lore thread i might leave this here because i think its funny (made by u/CzarKhasm)

[ocean mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[leaden terrace]

Me when I'm Kirby (Kirby)

[gleaming nest]

Necrodeus made the sun stones?

[thin prairie]

I can't see bandee here

[solar harbor]

No

That's a stretch

[thin prairie]

Wait nvm
He's so tiny

[young gazelle]

higher res version (maybe (you might need to download it))

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kirby/comments/11ctuje/its_that_time_once_again/

[flat pendant]

||i love how Magolor Epilogue music sounds like if you but RTDL, Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, Star Allies and Forgotten Land into a blender. Many of the tracks just ooze combinations of various previous Kirby tracks
Green Winds Remix sounds like Faded Dreams of a Psychomeddler
Red Sands Remix sounds like Mysterious Trap and Beautiful Prison but together. (Also it straight up sounds like a lost Super Paper Mario track with how similar vibe it gives.)
Blue Blizzard Remix sounds like Planet Robobot techno chiptune tracks
Onward to Pain My Heart Knows Well sounds like Fatal Error, Your Friends Believe in You and Scattered Souls across isolate Isles but together. ||

[young gazelle]

kirby track titles, am i right

9.3 billion in anguish, my favourite kirby song

[sand frigate]

||blue blizzard remix goated||

||cant get enough of that track||

[young gazelle]

If you ever want a taste of the wild kirby music titles you should play the kirby or touhou music quiz, i got a 51

[leaden terrace]

Can we get like

a kirby lore chart that just connects everything Magolor according to the discussion we had yesterday

itd be hilarious

[weak narwhal]

||1, yes. he isn't called the Interdimensional Traveler for nothing. It takes place in the Extra story of KRTDD, which I consider to be the canonical full telling of the story, while Story is just the main parts. 2, to become a merchant. 3, Not explicitly told from my knowledge, but he does come back. 4, 25th anniversary?||

[solar harbor]

Man I sure do love ||Judgment of Malus Pumila||

[young gazelle]

||The wii game, magolor introduces himself and says that he made a theme park as an apology for kirby|| But fair point for all the other things though

[leaden terrace]

||"Yeah my favorite song is Vagrant Counting Song of Retrospection and Vagrant Keepsake of Oblivion"||

[ocean mauve]

which song is the latter

[leaden terrace]

star dream soul os

[weak narwhal]

||Yeah, that wii game actually became Magoland.||

[leaden terrace]

the heart

[ocean mauve]

ahhhh

[young gazelle]

||magoland isnt canon though, is it?||

[leaden terrace]

||he made it cus hes bored||

p sure thats literally it

[weak narwhal]

||You can actually visibly SEE Magoland in the distance in some levels.||

[young gazelle]

Fair point

ive much to learn

[leaden terrace]

||while magoland's canonicity is left vague and confusing, we can still safely assume it's from the future||

||or at least Manager Magolor is||

[weak narwhal]

||soooo, technically speaking, MAGOLOR EPILOUGE CANONISES THE TKC TIMELINE, AND THE MAIN TIMELINE BEING CANON, AND TOGETHER.||

[young gazelle]

im starting to doubt my expertise in kirby lore

[leaden terrace]

||its not like clash was ever truly decanonized in the first place||

[ocean mauve]

I interpret magoland as like A Mirage when you see it in nutty noon or the title screen

[weak narwhal]

||but we got confirmation now||

[leaden terrace]

||just now we can undoubtedly connect it to the main games||

yep

[weak narwhal]

||Canonized!||

[ocean mauve]

it's kind of a mess lmao I'm in a similar boat

[leaden terrace]

im slowly understanding it

[young gazelle]

idk maybe an obscure japanese interview will answer all these questions

[leaden terrace]

considering my 1 year absence left me rusty

[young gazelle]

stares at void being 'influenced' by kirby or whatever

[ocean mauve]

feels like you're at a disadvantage if you don't speak Japanese lol

[leaden terrace]

HAH i still need to learn japanese

[ocean mauve]

ooh btw check pins in #kirby-kingdom for a giant info dump on void

[weak narwhal]

||youtube helped me understand. Also: How the hell does True arena have the Magolouge bosses?||

[ocean mauve]

it pools together all the info we know from in-game and interviews

and whatnot

[leaden terrace]

||it just does||

[young gazelle]

Pretty sure arenas arent cannon so they can just do whatever the hell they want there

[weak narwhal]

||Arena and True Arena are always what-if scenarioes.||

||EXCEPT forgo land||

[ocean mauve]

||can you imagine if ult cup z made you fight the normal bosses And the phantoms lmao. idk why rtdldx made you fight both||

[leaden terrace]

||as someone here has repeated, they only said meta knightmare ultra and robobot true arena was. thus, all arenas and true arenas are to be unaccounted but not necessarily treated as what-ifs||

[young gazelle]

theres like 16 different altenate universe versions of dedede at this point

[weak narwhal]

||oh lordy that leaves a lot to be desired.||

[leaden terrace]

hehe

more opportunities

[weak narwhal]

||OH. LORDY.||

[leaden terrace]

||just like what happened in RTDLDX true arena. theyre cooking smth||

[young gazelle]

If only we had miiverse still, we could get lore drops like we did for KPR

[ocean mauve]

||kirby rpg in the dream kingdom with dead magolor soul secret boss||

[weak narwhal]

||RTDLDX? Oh, Return to dreamland DX. I called it RTDD||

[leaden terrace]

its easier to put DX

cus thats more distinguishable

[weak narwhal]

||RTDDX?||

[young gazelle]

god id love a kirby rpg or something

[leaden terrace]

that can work too

[ocean mauve]

same

I like rtdx

it's shorter but gets the point across

[weak narwhal]

ehh...no

[leaden terrace]

||rtdx is good too but i get confused a bit so i go for rtdldx as its the most elaborate one lol||

[weak narwhal]

RTDDX.

[young gazelle]

KrtDLDX is such an absurd acronym ever lmao

[ocean mauve]

not as bad as ddddddx

[thin prairie]

I'm used to rtdx imo

[weak narwhal]

PFFFFFFFFFFF

[young gazelle]

DDDDDDX

[ocean mauve]

(that's what I call drum dash anyway lol)

[leaden terrace]

21

[young gazelle]

HAH

[leaden terrace]

21. BOSS ROUNDS.

(TABLE SLAM)

[ocean mauve]

CRIES

[weak narwhal]

AAAAAAA

[thin prairie]

What's 9 + 10?

[weak narwhal]

DETROIT REFERENCE

[young gazelle]

omg detroit

[leaden terrace]

this is where magolor really came from

This is why he's a liar and a wizard

[young gazelle]

oh my god it all makes sense now

wait that just made me realise something

[ocean mauve]

maybe he's from kitty land where all the kitty cats come from and we meet the lord of the kitties Kitty Matter who controls the 5th element of the kirby universe, Kitty

[leaden terrace]

WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT ANCIENTS ARE ALL CATS

[ocean mauve]

REAL

I like that theory a lot

explains nova being a cat for 0 reason

[young gazelle]

did magolor ever actually live on halcandra? or did he just lie about that to get to the master crown????

[leaden terrace]

he technically lived on halcandra

[ocean mauve]

he tells us he lied about being from there

[leaden terrace]

to quote him, being there all by himself for a long long time

[ocean mauve]

in extra mode if you get 120 spheres

but yeah he might have hung out there

[young gazelle]

im getting conflicting information here but what im hearing is magolor is homeless

[leaden terrace]

idk maybe lol

[ocean mauve]

he's a nomad or something lol

[leaden terrace]

he only went there for the master crown tho

idk what means he used to get there

but he went there

[ocean mauve]

lor is basically a really luxurious and advanced space travelling rv

[leaden terrace]

he didnt find lor starcutter until he did in halcandra's volcano

[young gazelle]

i just realised your icon is fecto elfilis and not a really weird looking dedede

[leaden terrace]

Fecto Elfilis

[ocean mauve]

ok I can see the defense if I squint

dedede

[leaden terrace]

it all makes sense now

[ocean mauve]

True!

[young gazelle]

theres like 16 different versions of dedede

[ocean mauve]

me when I realized today you can just walk up at the beginning and hammer flip to end phase 1

silly phantom dedede

[leaden terrace]

gwehehe

[young gazelle]

ok but what the hell even is the mirror world, and dmk

it seems that dmk is the ruler of the mirror world supposedly?? does every character have a mirror counterpart? what are the differences?? what even is the mirror world

[leaden terrace]

mirror world is a mirror world, dmk is a mirror clone created by meta knight reflecting himself (when it's already corrupted by dark mind)

[ocean mauve]

also unrelated but idk why I keep thinking your icon is this

[young gazelle]

ohhh

[leaden terrace]

as of now, the only mirror counterparts are really dmk, shadow kirby, shadow dedede and dark taranza

[young gazelle]

hm

[leaden terrace]

the rest just exist in the mirror world

[young gazelle]

Heres the full pic though, his name is chick

[leaden terrace]

fucking livid picture i love it

i feel like i remember this art style but i cant quite

grasp at it

its from a game isnt it

[young gazelle]

Its from petz 4

[ocean mauve]

aww cute

[young gazelle]

older computer game

wait no

[leaden terrace]

GET a feeling ive played petz before

it feels so nostalgic yet i have no memory

[young gazelle]

Ok enough about virtual dog back to kirby lore

i think dark matter blade is cool and i like him

[leaden terrace]

we can talk about rtdldx

cus thats what this thread is for

[young gazelle]

yeah i guess

[ocean mauve]

dark matter blade is swag

were you here when we talked about that dark matter comic I forgot

[young gazelle]

Yep

[limpid edge]

Dedede
Masked Dedede
Masked Dedede's Revenge
Shadow Dedede
Dedede Clones
King D-Mind
King D-Mind's Revenge
Parallel Dedede
Waning Masked Dedede
Forgo Dedede
Phantom Dedede
Phantom Forgo Dedede

Missed anything?

[ocean mauve]

ahh ok lol

[young gazelle]

I liked him before that though

[ocean mauve]

yeah he just looks cool

[young gazelle]

anyway back to kirbys return to epic dream land U deluxe ultra

[ocean mauve]

I wonder what the maintenance changed

probably nothing

[leaden terrace]

yeah most likely nothing

[young gazelle]

hmnnnn

its like whenever they update the switch OS and just say 'stabilisation changes'

like wow thanks it sure is a lot more stable now

[ocean mauve]

real

I think in the new update they're gonna add every missing ability that has appeared in a game prior

[young gazelle]

hah i wish

[leaden terrace]

including light and mini and steel and

[ocean mauve]

And also a brand new mode starring daroach and also a

[young gazelle]

imagine a kirby game with EVERY ability

[ocean mauve]

lmao would be funky

[leaden terrace]

"what ability are you gonna play "
Yeah im gona play MISSILE

[young gazelle]

i know kirby fans love mirror and so do i but if it comes back it really needs an updated moveset

[leaden terrace]

its moveset was already updated tho

pr

[young gazelle]

i havent used it much

but yeah i guess

what ability do you think has the most moves/most convoluted combos

[ocean mauve]

hmm

[leaden terrace]

ermm

im not good at thinking

[ocean mauve]

mecha's combo feels the weirdest to input

same

[leaden terrace]

yeah i saw mecha

[unique gyro]

I'm sure I've said this in the past, but I hate the abbreviation "RtDX" because to me, it reads simply as "Return to Deluxe"

[young gazelle]

i always like abilities with stupid combos

[ocean mauve]

Return to triple deluxe

[unique gyro]

or "Return to Dream X"

[leaden terrace]

Return to Triple Deluxe

OK DREAM X IS COOL THO

[unique gyro]

(I may also be the only one who refers to Triple Deluxe as "3DX")

[ocean mauve]

if an acronym is more than four letters it has FAILED!!!!

[lost briar]

and yet people still use the word laser

[ocean mauve]

speak for yourself, I say LSR

[young gazelle]

lazier

[leaden terrace]

i say l

[ocean mauve]

_ _

[leaden terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mr-l-gif-12414190

[ocean mauve]

imagine if this character were made in the modern day

reaction images captioned "Take this Mr. L!!!!"

[leaden terrace]

i thought u were going to say hed be more popular within tumblr

[unique gyro]

RIP every LoZ game ever

[ocean mauve]

ok true

[ocean mauve]

just don't say the LoZ part easy

[unique gyro]

Mr. Ratio

[young gazelle]

Never in my life would i thought id be consdering if mr L is a tumblr sexyman

[limpid edge]

A game with every ability, but anything that would grant an ability grants Mix instead so you can't choose which one you'll get

[lost briar]

I still just prefer saying RtDLD just for consistency with other acronyms

[leaden terrace]

he already kinda was just not fully fledged tumblr sexyman

[lost briar]

I hate it when people render Dream Land as one word

[ocean mauve]

magolor is pseudo sexy man

[unique gyro]

The only reason that makes no sense to me, personally, is because you often see Deluxe abbreviated as "DX", so I'm used to that

likewise, I always say "TDX/3DX" instead of "TD"

[ocean mauve]

I say 'em as separate words but can'T be arsed to write giant acronyms lol

[young gazelle]

Meta knight is technichally a sexyman but its hard to take him seriously

[ocean mauve]

if daroach got more screentime he'd climb to the top of the sexyman rankings

[young gazelle]

oh yeah definitely

[unique gyro]

seriously, though, if Triple Deluxe gets a remake and it's actually called Hyper Deluxe I'm gonna fucking lose it

[thin prairie]

Triple Deluxe Ultra

[unique gyro]

(for those that didn't see the last time I mentioned that possibility... the pun is "HD")

[lost briar]

I never see people say TKCDX though tbh

[leaden terrace]

sweating

[ocean mauve]

would be based

[thin prairie]

Oh wait yeah

[leaden terrace]

i thought of that before

itd be insane

[ocean mauve]

hdx ftw

I do miss the foreground background mechanic

would be nice to see again

[young gazelle]

he got pretty far in the infamous tumblr tournament

[ocean mauve]

oh whoa

[thin prairie]

Not this

[ocean mauve]

go roach...

lmfao chilly

[thin prairie]

I can't decide between my two cringefails

[young gazelle]

meta knight won btw, the finale was him against dedede and everyone went insane over it

[ocean mauve]

mk truly is the sexy

https://tenor.com/view/parallel-meta-knight-kirby-star-allies-kirby-fries-morbius-sweep-gif-25394318

[thin prairie]

Well that's anticlimactic

[young gazelle]

its funny because hes the biggest loser ever also

[ocean mauve]

he's MY loser

[young gazelle]

hes OUR loser

[ocean mauve]

ok true but did you see the new patent i filed for him yesterday

[young gazelle]

oh right this is for RTDLDX

uhh deceptive egg

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-kirby-kirbys-return-to-dreamland-kirby-star-allies-kirby-fighters-gif-25566276

[leaden terrace]

is this real...? wh... why is... maolor

[young gazelle]

very real, was pretty big in the tumblr kirby fandom

[thin prairie]

I always thought Tumblr liked magolor more

[ocean mauve]

I need to sleep gn

[leaden terrace]

HOW DAR KTARANZA DEFEATED IMMEDIATELY

gn

i thought you tumblr people liked sexy wasp spider man more

[young gazelle]

oh yeah tumblr people love magolor but not as a sexyman

i can verify, i am one of the tumblr people who love magolor

[thin prairie]

Wait why are females here then lol

[leaden terrace]

that surprises me

magolor comes off as lke a clear candidate for tumblr sexyman

[young gazelle]

Because sexyman is a TITLE that anyone can acheive

[leaden terrace]

like he always came off as such

[thin prairie]

Also daroach kinda robbed imo....

[young gazelle]

magolors more of a silly guy than a tumblr sexyman, meta knight is definitely the best fit for that role

[waxen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-kirby-kirby-meme-gif-24950913

[leaden terrace]

i thought tumblr sexymen consisted of silly men

[waxen kiln]

nah they’re different

[leaden terrace]

fuckin, bill cipher, onceler, all the tophat dudes

and we aint even stopping at that

THEY HAD SANS

[young gazelle]

sans is so funny because he doesnt fit any of the tumblr sexyman archetypes and yet hes undeniably the strongest tumblr sexyman on the internet

how do we keep getting so off track

[thin prairie]

Asides being from a semi obscure spinoff I wonder why dark taranza didn't win over regular taranza

[young gazelle]

do you think we should move this to #kirby-kingdom

[thin prairie]

Sure why not

[weak narwhal]

Sans.

[vocal latch]

I plan on doing that

[young gazelle]

Magolor is the centre of everything

[vocal latch]

||https://desultory-novice.tumblr.com/post/690261098040082432/magolors-apology-theme-park/amp||

[leaden terrace]

Thank you blessed Baro

[young gazelle]

elfilin is the other half of fecto elfilis, fecto elfilis invaded the new world which caused the original inhabitants to flee to another land (hinted to be kirbys universe) therefore we can infer that the ancients used to live in the new world which magolor is decended from, bam

[vocal latch]

I had an older outdated version actually

[young gazelle]

soon we can connect every peice of kirby lore to magolor

[vocal latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/182899928140480512/1034151991380824074/Magolor_chart.jpg

OG outdated version

[leaden terrace]

wh

[pliant socket]

PEAK??????

[leaden terrace]

why is it so big

baro

what were you doing

also holy shit 😭

[vocal latch]

I was cooking.

But it was outdated and incomplete.

[leaden terrace]

YOU WERE COOKING TOO MUCH DOG

[vocal latch]

This was way before we found the interview from 2017 or the Merry Magoland Trailer

[leaden terrace]

THIS WHY THEY TELL YOU KIDS TO DO THE COOKING BY THE BOOK!!

[pliant socket]

OH YEAH

BARO

[leaden terrace]

but yeah i can tell

[pliant socket]

did you see my funny portal doc

[vocal latch]

Yea it's epic

I could list more but

[pliant socket]

List.

[vocal latch]

It'd be too powerful

[pliant socket]

More.

I will add it later

But it will be added

[young gazelle]

hold on reading it nw

im interested

[pliant socket]

Portal tier list coming soon guys

[young gazelle]

i love how portals are always star shaped in kirby

[solar harbor]

Star Dream with the heart-shaped portals:

[young gazelle]

oh well

most of them at least

[young gazelle]

also i love this image

[ocean mauve]

star dream heart matter real

[vocal latch]

The portal Galactic Nova creates to summon Galacta Knight in Super Star Ultra

Hmmm, if you think about it, Planet Robobot is kind-of the odd-one-out.

Every other time Galacta Knight came from a portal, it was a circle

(Star Allies & Super Kirby Clash)

[solar harbor]

Wait what the fuck

[young gazelle]

wait why didnt he come out of the ring pop

[vocal latch]

@pliant socket also Star Dream's heart-shaped portals are called「インベードアーマー」"Output"

[pliant socket]

Noted ‼️

[leaden terrace]

dasa portal????????????

[vocal latch]

Or well technically Output is when he summons enemies

[leaden terrace]

i rly thought its like some aura forming

to reveal gk

[vocal latch]

But I think it fits the most for his portal's name

[vocal latch]

I always interpreted it as one 😭

I thought the circle portal from Guest Star & Super Kirby Clash was inspired by it LOL

[leaden terrace]

i always thought it looked like nova literally manifested him there lol

PFFFT

[pliant socket]

I'mma be real I only focused on the modern games cause it was 12 in the morning and I needed to sleep for school tomorrow

[novel fog]

I wonder if I should make a neater list of portals and portal-like stuff myself at some point (with where they are seen, how they open/close, etc.)
though maybe it'd be for myself

[young gazelle]

novas a pretty funny character, just giant cat clock god that grants wishes regardless of what the wish is

nova didnt deserve to be exploded

[pliant socket]

I could probably include animations of them in the doc

again, I was tired

[vocal latch]

Yeah fair

[pliant socket]

so I wasn't able to be as thorough as I wanted

[vocal latch]

I'd have made my attempt a comparison doc and listed which games that kind-of portal appears but that's just my style

Like a table

[slender compass]

it may have survived if Meta Knightmare is canon

since it shows up again and is not blown up

[leaden terrace]

wouldnt it be easier if you enable suggestions or does that not extend to images

[young gazelle]

does this one galacta knight does as an attack count as a portal?

[leaden terrace]

i honestly do not remember

[pliant socket]

I mean it has the ad stars

[novel fog]

yeah I was thinking some sort of table

[pliant socket]

and he does literally rip a hole in the battlefield

So uh

[slender compass]

then again its possible GN got captured by Haltman and turned into access ark

[pliant socket]

Yeah in my books

[novel fog]

yes

[slender compass]

and it would die in Kirby's hands

[leaden terrace]

they prob

OHHHHH ok

[novel fog]

you can see Lor and Jamba Hearts through it at least

[leaden terrace]

so they used that nova as access ark

becuase they dont know how to literally use the nova, likely becuase they dont know about the stars

[young gazelle]

so is star dream and the nova star dream pilots one and the same or what

[leaden terrace]

thats the main reason why star dream was made

[young gazelle]

or did kirby just kill that poor nova for no reason

[slender compass]

its unknown

[pliant socket]

That would have been a LOT more organized looking back lmao

[slender compass]

its unknown if Star Dream and Access Ark were two parts of the same whole or if they were separate things

[young gazelle]

i really like the novas, design and lore wise

[leaden terrace]

ik its no tconfirmed

but it seemed most likely

and most reasonable

[slender compass]

yeah seems likely too

[young gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/marx-2219-kirby-meme-generator-gif-22915205

[leaden terrace]

errors in controlling nova sent susie to AD

[slender compass]

those it does make you wonder if star dream is an incomplete nova

since it seems to resemble the top screw element of one

[young gazelle]

i mean its modeled after a pocket watch

[leaden terrace]

i think galactic nova and access ark are completely functional novas

[vocal latch]

I once read the idea that Haltmann designed Star Dream (the Mother Computer) and Star Dream casually made the Access Ark LOL

[leaden terrace]

star dream acting as a screw may allude to the whole controlling nova thing

[slender compass]

and it was completed by taking the remains of GN and making it a full body

[young gazelle]

yeah so star dream just took control of the access ark, poor kitty

[leaden terrace]

😭 !?!?!?!

[vocal latch]

I mean, Star Dream can already make huge as hell stuff

So why not an entire ship

[young gazelle]

i thought it was pretty clear that they found the blueprints for the access ark though

[vocal latch]

They only mention the blueprints of Star Dream.

[leaden terrace]

yep

[young gazelle]

ohh

weird because the nova is the wish granting thing in kirby super star

[vocal latch]

They never talk about the origin of the Access Ark.

[young gazelle]

so youd assume the wish granting thing is the access ark right? but no its star dream...

[leaden terrace]

honestly i rly like the idea of haltmann just casually hijacking an innocent nova

[vocal latch]

Star Dream also grants wishes without being fused with the Access Ark, we see that in Meta Knightmare Returns. (but the localization fucked the context of it up)

[leaden terrace]

no you see what i was going at is access ark IS nova

[young gazelle]

yeah why do the novas always have to die horrifically

[leaden terrace]

but its usually not accessible without the stars summoning them

[vocal latch]

I like the idea that it's rebuilt from Nova's parts too

[leaden terrace]

so they had to hijack into its system with star dream

[vocal latch]

Giving it a (literal) new coat of paint

[leaden terrace]

i love that

[young gazelle]

how the hell did marx soul absorb GN, its a pocket watch??? is he made out of mercury-

[leaden terrace]

he just does it

hes marx

he can do anything

[young gazelle]

fair

[leaden terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/jevil-gif-13119312

[vocal latch]

I wish someone, or if I ever get into art, I, make an artwork where you shoot at the Access Ark, and its color drops, revealing the original Nova's color underneath the metallic paint

[young gazelle]

PFFF I WAS literally about to send a gif of jevil

[leaden terrace]

omg

LIKE

LIKE ONE OF THOSE FUNNY CLEANING VIDEOS

[young gazelle]

although i wouldnt be supprised if marx was made out of mercury

[leaden terrace]

U CLEAN THE GREASE FROM NOVA

wait no

i got it backwards

[vocal latch]

And maybe have the objects it summons be positioned in space to be in the same as on OG Nova LOL

[young gazelle]

no the gold nova is the original and they painted it silver

like those art restoration videos and that weird looking lamb with the persons head

[leaden terrace]

i think they just happened to look different tbh

[young gazelle]

yeah\

[leaden terrace]

me

[vocal latch]

Wait so, do you think it's the same Nova or not?

As in, the Access Ark used parts of it

[young gazelle]

no different novas

[leaden terrace]

dude galactic nova fucking exploded

[vocal latch]

Oh I misread your idea sorry

[leaden terrace]

anyways idk

i cant tell

[vocal latch]

I thought you meant that Access Ark used Nova's broken parts lol

[leaden terrace]

lmfao no

[young gazelle]

again this convo has absolutely nothing to do with RTDLDX- i mean i love it and i love talking about novas but how do we keep doing this

[leaden terrace]

sounds cool tho

it always goes down like this

its normal

basically most lore discussion derails

[young gazelle]

do we want to move it to #kirby-kingdom or nah

[vocal latch]

I think Access Ark & Star Dream are like, the body & mind separated or whatever lol

Oh yeah actually

[leaden terrace]

yeah because they literally like

hacked into its mind and put it into star dream or smth

i forgot how those hacking devices work

[vocal latch]

What'd be cool for a PR remake is if you had something in a new mode called Memories or whatever

And they show you glimpses of Haltmann's past

[leaden terrace]

Haltmann's pocket watch still moving !!!!!!!!!

[vocal latch]

As in, pics

Like celebration pictures kinda

[pliant socket]

HALTMANN LORE

WOOOOOOOOOO

[young gazelle]

why do all the novas have to die in this series, they did nothing

[leaden terrace]

tbh they were pretty dangerose

[young gazelle]

they were innocent kitties

[vocal latch]

I mean, you can restore the original Nova

By getting the stars again

[leaden terrace]

yeah thats true

[pliant socket]

they are simply too dangerous and most people use them as tools for destruction

[young gazelle]

not tHEIR fault they were used for nefarious purposes

[leaden terrace]

yeah but they also dont question it

so like

whose fault is it really

[vocal latch]

They can't judge good and evil

[leaden terrace]

AND BEFORE YOU ASK

[young gazelle]

i know they probably dont have emotions but the kitty face 🥺

[leaden terrace]

GALACTIC NOVA CLEARLY KNEW GK'S GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM

and it just did it anyways. shamelessly

like it opened its eyes like "oh shit"

but just went with it

[vocal latch]

That's also true (I like to think that the damage on the right which it had even before MWW was from Galacta Knight lmfao)

[young gazelle]

i like them though, they dont care what happens with a wish, they just grant it and move on

[young gazelle]

ooo i like that idea

[leaden terrace]

i like to think galactic nova always had that

just in the very unlikely chance that someone will get thrown into it

(marx)

like its SO CONVENIENT for marx to fall into

[young gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/marx-2219-kirby-meme-generator-gif-22915205

[pliant socket]

[vocal latch]

The funny

[young gazelle]

this emote has so much power

novas design is literally so cool though no you dont get it its SO COOL

[leaden terrace]

IT IS THO

its even cooler in 2d

its amazing that a sprite like this exists in the SNES

[young gazelle]

the piano, and the kitty face and the furby eyes and all the other stuff on it

[leaden terrace]

(i mean im sure theres even cooler psrites form other games but uknow)

like this is rly cool

[ocean mauve]

I wonder if sakurai designed nova

[pliant socket]

So much depth

[ocean mauve]

or if it was someone else on the team

[leaden terrace]

i know he worked on marx

[young gazelle]

https://twitter.com/The_M0thman/status/1063452594838929408 also i think this design from someone on twitter is really cool

Mothmandraws (1 slots open) (@The_M0thman)

Galactic Nova from Kirby fanart

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[ocean mauve]

I love the Marx tidbit he told us

[leaden terrace]

"i wanted to make him scarier haha" doesnt show us

BITCH

jk i love u sakurai

pls dont hurt me

[maiden swan]

I think we saw what was going on in his head in world of light

[young gazelle]

i have mixed feelings about him, esp because hes so obviously biased towards the games he directed

[ocean mauve]

do you remember the like. castle based subgame he mentioned for kss too?

[pliant socket]

Kagero Mansion?

It sounds mid

[leaden terrace]

i completely forgot about that

its been so long

[young gazelle]

theres like 6 references to modern kirby in the entirety of smash ultimate, not counting spirits or non remixed music

[leaden terrace]

yeah thats the one really troubling part for kirby fans but i think hes honestly

such a great person outside of that

[young gazelle]

eh anyway

[ocean mauve]

yeah he's a cool game dev even with that

[leaden terrace]

he has a whole youtube channel explaining things in game development to an audience who may not be in the industry

[ocean mauve]

I love his recent transparency it's fascinating

[young gazelle]

i just want my boy bandanna dee in the game please sakurai

[leaden terrace]

and its very fun and helpful

[young gazelle]

so anyway i love nova and its so cool

[vocal latch]

Nova Mask in RTDX is beautiful

[young gazelle]

i havent gotten many masks yet but you bet ill be wearing that one when i do

i dont really wear masks because i like to see kirbys cute face but im definitely wearing novas when i do get it

[pliant socket]

Yeah thats why I don't wear masks at all unless its required for a mission

Kirby's face is BETTER

[leaden terrace]

just wear the kirby mask then

ez

[young gazelle]

no emotion though

[vocal latch]

The ones I used the most in my playthrough are the Galactic Nova, Dark Matter Clone & Zero masks

[leaden terrace]

dark matter clone has such an awesome design

cris

[young gazelle]

also i dont have any siblings or whatever so i cant try out the masks on other characters :(

[main fractal]

What makes it different than normal darkmatter

[young gazelle]

return to dreamland has been really fun so far imo but its a little empty in single player

[leaden terrace]

the eye

[celest grove]

he was so scary that it would have affected the game's rating

[leaden terrace]

the eye is cooler

I WONDER WHATS UP WIT HTHAT SAKURAI

[main fractal]

Oh

[celest grove]

no joke Sakurai said that

[main fractal]

Hard to tell when his only other game has no colour

[leaden terrace]

YOU COULDVE ELABORATED IT FURTHERRRR

[leaden terrace]

i mean u can just look at the one artwork he has

[main fractal]

Yeah Sakurai how scary we talking

[young gazelle]

wait i was looking up pictures of dark matter clone and wHAT IS THIS

oh its fake lol

[main fractal]

Leave me alone I didn't even realise Coo ever had a colour change until Rtdx

[celest grove]

it's funny how Sakurai didn't actually do the whole Kirby scary thing that much

[pliant socket]

I would play with you but no online unfortunately

[leaden terrace]

i will NOT leave you alone.

[celest grove]

but he's absolutely fine with it

[main fractal]

Oh I was feeling lonely

Thanks

[leaden terrace]

[main fractal]

[leaden terrace]

its funny yeah

[young gazelle]

and yet people still give him all the credit

[main fractal]

Society

[celest grove]

People give him all the credit because they haven't registered that he stopped making Kirby games for decades lol

[pliant socket]

Imagine if we get a kirby party game....I mean Magolor is already a mario party host

[young gazelle]

i like how game dedede is exclusively voiced by developers

[celest grove]

almost?

[young gazelle]

true

[pliant socket]

Other than the anime

[waxen kiln]

move aside toad magolor’s running the show now

[celest grove]

Dedede is literally always voiced by the Kirby director

[leaden terrace]

Sakurai: The chill one :)
Shimomura: The middleground (somewhat story-driven but thats it)
Kumazaki: Oops (gives Kirby all the lore and eldritch imagery) Oopsie daisy, oh my (Gives long-term character development to the characters) Oh dear (References death constantly)

[main fractal]

Erm Samurai wasn't a dev in 64 so you're wrong

[pliant socket]

He fits in so well

[celest grove]

to be honest Shimomura did give the scare factor over time

Zero is still a bit disturbing to look at

[leaden terrace]

Dark Matter's relatively tame, its just spooky

0 and 02 are freaky tho yeah

[celest grove]

Zero-Two is like, between silly and still disturbing

[leaden terrace]

but Kumazaki saw it and was like

[main fractal]

Zeros badass

[leaden terrace]

"Yeahhh I wanna do it"

and then he made Drawcia.

[ocean mauve]

shimomura's stuff had a subtlety to it that made it creepy. like the bad endings he made

[leaden terrace]

YEAH I def like that

[ocean mauve]

kuma meanwhile goes all in - I respect both styles lol

[main fractal]

Dream Land 3 bad ending parting shots really cool

[celest grove]

Kuma just doesn't waste time

[leaden terrace]

Shimomura made sure the game mostly caters to children, but wouldnt be above for a bit of horror too

[celest grove]

but Sakurai is absolutely fine with it

considering how scary Marx apparently was for Smash Ultimate

clearly he doesn't mind

and heck

[leaden terrace]

i wonder how sakurai feels about marx soul

must be proud

[main fractal]

[celest grove]

I consider Marx as he is in Smash Ultimate is pretty creepy

[young gazelle]

Also I love that this is what shows up when you search shinya kumazaki on Google

[ocean mauve]

64's bad ending sound effect is distinct in my memory lol. it's so good and completely shifts the tone in a second

[leaden terrace]

oh yeha smash marx is creepy

[solar harbor]

Kirby final boss moment

[leaden terrace]

he looks a bit silly but

[celest grove]

I still think Smash Marx is creepier than in Super Star

[main fractal]

[leaden terrace]

its particularly normal marx that scares me

[celest grove]

the new sounds especially

[main fractal]

Super Star Marx wasn't very creepy

[ocean mauve]

the sa loading screens on the hexagon wings

[leaden terrace]

check out his recent art its good

wait no theres already that elden ring one lol

one of his recent pieces is a collage of miracle matter

[celest grove]

meanwhile Kuma doesn't seem to age either

[solar harbor]

Oh fuck

[main fractal]

I wonder how Shimomoura aged

[celest grove]

lol

who knows

[main fractal]

He kinda just phased out of existence

[celest grove]

we barely got to see him

in a freaking guide for Dream Course

[young gazelle]

Isn’t there like a comically shallow amount of info on shimomoura

[leaden terrace]

fellas

shimomuras not here

[celest grove]

(president of HAL on the left, btw)

[leaden terrace]

but its still cool to see sakurai and kumazaki together

[main fractal]

His days in the public eye exclusively for Dream Course

Holy fuck Kirby has 2 dads

[leaden terrace]

and 1 babysitter

[young gazelle]

I love the tiny Kirby nendoroid he’s holding

[leaden terrace]

YEAH OMG

look at how he holds it

[celest grove]

also Sakurai and Kuma did technically work together in Air Ride

[leaden terrace]

he absolutely wants everyone to see it

[main fractal]

Kumazaki and Sakurai when they combine to make the Ultimate Kirby game

[leaden terrace]

jefolAPErfhAWP{FHAWf

[ocean mauve]

both irl AND in-game - just separate dads for each

[solar harbor]

Sakurai wants to make Marx super eldritch abomination and then Kumazaki jumps in

[leaden terrace]

kirbys so lucky to have 4 dads

[solar harbor]

Time for a real Soul boss

[celest grove]

That said I do think Kuma is a real inspiration because his interviews talked about how he wanted to make games ever since he was a child

so he made games using RPG Maker and Dezaemon for consoles

[main fractal]

His Mom is the voice actress

What was her name?

[leaden terrace]

Makiko Ohmoto

[main fractal]

Nice

[young gazelle]

Didn’t kumazakis cat voice star dream OS or something

[leaden terrace]

Kumazaki inspired me to embrace my horror love and even start reading H.P. Lovecraft's works lol

[solar harbor]

Based af for singing Noble Haltmann and Welcome to the New World

[main fractal]

Kumazaki is the fanboy within all of us

[celest grove]

Heck, a few months ago I did figure out what sounded like Kumazaki's first contribution to a commercial game

before he was at HAL

[solar harbor]

LIKE FOR REAL THOUGH THOSE COME STRAIGHT FROM MY FAVE KIRBY GAMES, THANKS FOR SINGING 'EM FOR A BIT

[leaden terrace]

speaking of hp lovecarft i might read shadows over innsmouth today

its amazing

[leaden terrace]

what is it?

[celest grove]

Kumazaki made the sample RPG game in RPG Maker GB 2

[leaden terrace]

Oh WOW

[solar harbor]

Holy shit

[main fractal]

Holy fuck

[solar harbor]

What a talented man

[celest grove]

and I verified this, he actually talks about it on his website

it is actually him and someone else

[solar harbor]

NO WAY

[celest grove]

iirc it's called Monster Quest

[leaden terrace]

no fucking way LMAO

[ocean mauve]

It's all coming together now

Kirby Rpg time...

[austere willow]

why do y'all think i say Kuma's my idol

[leaden terrace]

ERM

KUMA'S MY IDOL

!!!

[celest grove]

BTW RPG Maker GB 2 was released in 2001

[austere willow]

me playing with RPGMaker2000 and having gamedev dreams

Kuma's just like me FR!!!!!!!!!!

[celest grove]

Kuma is literally like that

except he didn't have a computer

[austere willow]

🥺

🥺

[celest grove]

those were expensive

[austere willow]

fair

[celest grove]

so he had the console RPG Makers

and Dezaemon which is a shmup maker

[leaden terrace]

ive always been wanting to draw pieces that look like his for like years i wonder if ill ever get to try

[celest grove]

one of his Dezaemon games is on his website

alongside the music he made for it

he did make music btw

TBH Kuma does a lot of things

In the past he made like... what looked like an evil Kirby

[leaden terrace]

I wouldnt say talented in most cases but Kumazaki genuinely is

HWAH

Evil boy??

[celest grove]

...with blood.......? I might have misremembered

because he kinda deleted this

[young gazelle]

Tmk.exe REAL

[austere willow]

i mean Void Termina exists so it might've lived on

[celest grove]

also it was like

a crafted thing

it was not a drawing

it was like an item he crafted

[young gazelle]

tmk is so cool I wish more people knew about it

[celest grove]

or maybe his children made the evil Kirby

[leaden terrace]

im not interested in creepypastas tbh idk if ill ever get into tmk

[thin prairie]

Tmk?

[austere willow]

it stands for Tomato Meta Knight

[ocean mauve]

I remember before SA released I was really hoping the final boss would be possessed evil kirby (don't ask what I was cooking I was like 13)
guess I got kinda close

[celest grove]

btw

[pliant socket]

Too Much MID 🥱

[celest grove]

Kuma's fascination on eyes

[young gazelle]

To be fair it’s not the strongest in the horror area but the sprite work and editing is so good

[celest grove]

He made a shmup in Dezaemon called

https://kumayou.halfmoon.jp/game/dezae/eye.html

EYE

in 1995-1996

[leaden terrace]

These fucking old japanese websites man

[celest grove]

he did also put the music in recorded MP3 files

[ocean mauve]

I suppose when it comes to game design he's got a real eye for it eh?

[leaden terrace]

they give off such a unique vibe

[austere willow]

huh

how old is this website

[celest grove]

he made this website in 2000

[leaden terrace]

me when i eat sand

[vocal latch]

THOSE WHO EAT SAND

[pliant socket]

Those who eat sand

[ocean mauve]

I thought he grew up playing kirby was I misinformed

[pliant socket]

The sand eaters in question:

[leaden terrace]

im gonna put some dirt in your eye

[austere willow]

HE NAMED HIS WEBSITE AFTER HALFMOON IN 2000???????????????????????

he

He like me fr

😭

[celest grove]

no I think the domain was different in 2000

[pliant socket]

I thought you guys said Type Moon for a second....

[young gazelle]

Anyway I gtg now byeee

[leaden terrace]

bye

[pliant socket]

byeee

[leaden terrace]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpKqJaQJ3cF/?hl=en btw i didnt know he occasionally draws according to his family's requests

director_kumazaki_shinya

It's Pokémon Day. I drew Iono at the request of my family.

ポケモンの日、でしたね。

ねぇポケモン描いて、で。
ナンジャモ！
みなのもの〜
ーーーーーーーーーーーー
ーーーーーーーーーーーー

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this is cute

[celest grove]

I mean

he can definitely draw

[leaden terrace]

and also weird to see his art not heavily filtered

yeah he totally can, his art is widely varied

[pliant socket]

yeah didn't he draw the final celebration picture

In star allies

[leaden terrace]

and faye has posted his mk concept art before

like

earlier today

it was p fucking awesome

[celest grove]

btw in Dezaemon there's a music maker that is very similar to Mario Paint's

except you can actually sharp notes

and sustain a note

[solar harbor]

THE RTDL DX REFERENCE

[vocal latch]

TRUEEE

[celest grove]

also Kuma thinks his music for EYE is terrible

[ocean mauve]

I didn't know he made music

[celest grove]

he feels the cringe of his childhood days

[leaden terrace]

i feel him hard

[celest grove]

also he did make more music for indie games

[leaden terrace]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIVt4lFphOD/?hl=en man i love the way he draws kirby so much. the lil bottom lip really speaks of his style

director_kumazaki_shinya

I drew it. It was good to be able to send it. Congratulations!
無事に、お届け出来たと伺いました。
お会いできず恐縮です。
遠くからですが…
おめでとうございます！！
ーーーーーーーーーーーー
ーーーーーーーーーーーー

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thats the last one ill post lol

[ocean mauve]

the more I learn about this dude the more grateful I feel that he's the director of the series. man is passionate as hell

[leaden terrace]

SAME

even if we mostly talk about his haha funny horror art

[covert jasper]

kumazaki is just one big kirby fan

[celest grove]

also

[leaden terrace]

you can really see how much passion he has for games

[celest grove]

Kuma made an RPG during a contest

...one of the judges was Yuji Horii himself.

[covert jasper]

COPIUM
COPIUM
COPIUM

[leaden terrace]

LOL

No way

dude.

[celest grove]

(Yuji Horii, for those who don't know, he made Dragon Quest)

[leaden terrace]

what if they pull all the stops for the kirby rpg

[austere willow]

i wonder if Kuma has his own OCs/Stories he wants to tell

[leaden terrace]

kumazaki is the director AND the art director

[celest grove]

and he made music for that RPG as well

[austere willow]

outside of Kirbly

[covert jasper]

kirby: triple deluxe

[leaden terrace]

and it all goes crazy from there

[brave crag]

Kumazakis own OC:

[solar harbor]

OH MY FUCK

[leaden terrace]

THIS IS TRUE

[celest grove]

https://kumayou.halfmoon.jp/game/tengoto0.html

[solar harbor]

Magolor: Hi everyone, I'm from another dimension and I got turned into an eldritch abomination by the Kirby director

[austere willow]

is this his OCs

[celest grove]

The thing with the screenshots

is that I FEEL LIKE this is an RPG made using one of the PS1 RPG Makers

[covert jasper]

no way it's kid icarus

[austere willow]

I think so yeah

ive seen this style of graphics before

[celest grove]

RPG Makers on PS1 had a graphics editor as well

[leaden terrace]

HOLY SHIT GUYS

[celest grove]

(and yes, an s because I'm not sure if this is RPG Tsukuru 3 or 4)

(RPG Tsukuru 3 is the one that got localized as RPG Maker)

[leaden terrace]

DUDE HIS CHAR DESIGN IS SO LIVID !!???

[celest grove]

the 3rd page is the soundtrack btw

[solar harbor]

WHAT THE SHIT IS THAT LMAO

HARDCORE AF DESIGN

[austere willow]

did RPG Tsukuru even let you design your own stuff

[celest grove]

yes

on PS1, yes

[austere willow]

O? i see

[celest grove]

There was a mode called "Anime Maker"

[austere willow]

yeah ever since, most console RPG makers are kinda

[celest grove]

it's the graphics editor

[austere willow]

lame

[celest grove]

it exists on both RPG Tsukuru 3 & 4

[austere willow]

3DS Rpg Maker 🤢

[covert jasper]

void termina

man my internet is dying

[celest grove]

in fact on RPG Tsukuru 4 Anime Maker was literally its own CD

[austere willow]

in any case i feel like

Its RPG Tsukuru 3?

since the battles seem to be like. front/head-on perspective

Unless there was a FF4-6esque mode or something

[celest grove]

it might be 3 yeah

which is the one that the US got

that said you may notice you can have custom music

...that's because in Japan, there was another Maker

Ongaku Tsukuru 2

Music Maker 2

you could save the music... and import it in RPG Tsukuru 3

[austere willow]

yeah RPG Maker 4 looks more advanced than

this

[celest grove]

the wonders of the Memory Card

[austere willow]

god

this fills me with insp fr

[leaden terrace]

Genuinely

[celest grove]

BTW

[leaden terrace]

Everytime I look at my fave developer/artist/author and find out about their history I feel stronger

[celest grove]

the actual game name for his sample game for RPG Maker GB 2

is Monster School

https://kumayou.halfmoon.jp/game/ms.html

[austere willow]

do i get to go to school

my vibe fr

[sweet hedge]

i just found something out about magolor epilogue thats driving me insane

[leaden terrace]

tell

or show

show and tell

[austere willow]

oh there's 2 versions

[sweet hedge]

spoilers for the entire mode ||every boss from the original story and extra modes' worlds 1 to 5 has a parallel in magolor epilogue||

||i am so mad i didn't notice the first and last bosses of the game are fucking TREES.||

[leaden terrace]

||so rampaging doomers r landia?||

[sweet hedge]

||like i noticed whispy is a tree (fucking duh) and i noticed the master crown is a tree (fuckin. duh) but. its such a stupid connection||

[austere willow]

no

theyre saying ||All of Popstar's bosses are repped||

[leaden terrace]

thats what im trynna say

[austere willow]

landia isnt exactly a popstar boss is it

[leaden terrace]

...ah

i misread

[celest grove]

anyway out of all these games from Kuma, you can only play Monster School

if you get RPG Maker GB 2

[exotic cobalt]

It just me, or does the bouncing enemies from the epilogue look a bit like void termina

[sweet hedge]

||tbh u could argue rampaging doomers and the crowned one are like Landia but backwards and in different bosses as opposed to different phases in the same boss but it basically just means the only boss that doesn't have any parallel in epilogue - as far fetched as the connection may be - is metal general but thats also bc the guy has three phases||

[leaden terrace]

they existed before void termina p sure

same game

[sweet hedge]

||but what i mean is that whispy is there it's just the final boss and very much not whispy and that messes with me||

[vocal latch]

Those also appear in Egg Engines

[celest grove]

BTW Kuma for his RPG Tsukuru 3 game did make bangers

https://kumayou.halfmoon.jp/music/ten_goto/main.mp3

[leaden terrace]

sounds p good

[exotic cobalt]

Ahh, didn't know if the bouncing enemies were some kind of inspiration for its design somewhat, there was some lore connection, or just coincidence (if they were in the original, did devs from star allies talk about their connection or lack thereof)

[leaden terrace]

from my memory i dont think the devs ever said anything about them so its prob just a coincidence?

[vocal latch]

Maybe it was the same guy designing Void Termina's mask and that bouncer

[leaden terrace]

"hee hee hee" (secretly draws a heart for void termina's mask with an intent of mischief)

looking at it now, void termina is such an unreal kirby design. who woulda thunk from a designer standpoint they would go for something like this

[austere willow]

i mean

thye literally sad

"i wonder what a demon god would look like in the kirby series"

the output:

[leaden terrace]

tbh the mages and hyness were already a bit of a farcry from usual kirby designs from what i heard

so i think they were being a little daring

[exotic cobalt]

Yeah that also makes sense, just thought that their masks were a bit to similar, so wasn't sure something like that was the case, or if it was intentional and there was some lore implications behind it.

[leaden terrace]

its a super insane character prompt so makes sense

[austere willow]

it really isnt if you stop considering Kirby as a baby game

like if there's one thing i think Kumazaki thinks

is that its a universe where every concept can be represented

technology, yarn, religion, food, etc

[leaden terrace]

i mean heres the thing, theyre weirdly unique from how the usual kirby designs are

the mages have complex patterns and humanlike appearances unlike the other humanoid chars and even ado

and hyness is just hyness

[austere willow]

Like Kumazaki doenst really go "ah its a Kirby game tho. baby game" nah i think he just goes "how would this look in the Kirby universe" and jsut does it

like how FL animals are like

[leaden terrace]

not even talking about the tone

[austere willow]

theyre actual animals no floating limbs

[leaden terrace]

its like, just the WAY they are designed

[austere willow]

Ya i still think thats the vibe

[leaden terrace]

its a new territory theyre entering and it still feels a bit weird

[austere willow]

Kuma wants to represent these cool concepts in the Kirby world regardless if it would have fit the tone of the rest of the series

[leaden terrace]

and immediately after that they went all out in FL with the animals being in all kinds of shapes and proportions unfamiliar to kirby

[austere willow]

he is not caring for sticking to a boring blueprint

[ocean mauve]

I love disgusting evil mouse fetus

[austere willow]

He is the reason Kirby isn't feeling like NSMB

[faint galleon]

Live Forgo reaction

[austere willow]

and its the simple fact that Kuma actually wants concepts to be seen in the Kirby series that make sense to be represented in a fictional universe

[celest grove]

Kirby doesn't feel like NSMB because the graphics have effort

[austere willow]

he is...

a fan

a fan, a creator,...

[leaden terrace]

id probably compare void termina to fecto elfilis as they both have super (relatively) unique designs and presence for kirby characters and shows their absolute limit in character design

i ADMIRE it you know

[austere willow]

he's me... HES ME FR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[faint galleon]

How is bingus forgo both

So uncanny and creepy but also kinda cute

[ocean mauve]

real

[celest grove]

as in like, Kirby games don't necessarily let you kinda see the nuts & bolts of level design as much as Mario does

[leaden terrace]

star dream may be close too but im not sure how to put it.

its still a very kirby design i guess

[austere willow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1555612752844029952/pu/img/DnfaXAisz0d0Sof0.jpg

[faint galleon]

THE uh
Deer Moth Rat Anthro with a halberd and yassified nails

[austere willow]

me whenever yakumono posts about Kuma

[celest grove]

It is still noticeable in Kirby how the level design is made of objects

[leaden terrace]

theres still a lot of bare components of star dream that also make up the usual kirby designs

[celest grove]

but they still tried not to let it be obvious

[ocean mauve]

it's like if they took the disgusting baby man from invincible and made it into a slightly cuter mouse
(tagging because this character im mentioning is kinda weird looking)

[austere willow]

yeah i think its kuma's philosophy i really like

Its a living breathing universe

[celest grove]

(note that what I said still works for previous Kirby games imo)

[leaden terrace]

so in a way, star dream is supposedly an alien-like structure but its really more faithful to the kirby's design traditions. meanwhile, void termina and fecto elfilis stomp and spit on them and laugh at them

[faint galleon]

What the fuck

[celest grove]

FL aka when they decided "oh actually let's do Resident Evil 2 at the end"

[leaden terrace]

they still have some things that keep them from completely looking alien in the games such as the balanced complexity, the colors and avoiding too many hard edges

[celest grove]

the only edgy character is Miracle Matter

[leaden terrace]

otherwise they are completely different and absolutely INSANE

this is true

[austere willow]

i think like as someone who started with Adventure like Kuma did

[leaden terrace]

the fact that they AGREED on making fecto forgo like this astounds me

[ocean mauve]

I wanna see miracle matter again tbh

[austere willow]

i dont think the regular mooks are Kirby character design's like..... limit like tone-wise like idk

youve seen Nightmare Wizard once, you will imagine more like him

yknow wahat i mean?

[celest grove]

Kuma played Adventure and then the ending happened and he went "oh, I got got"

[leaden terrace]

you can tell exactly all the ways they dealt iwth fecto forgo's abominable design

[austere willow]

Yeah he was like

[leaden terrace]

in design, gameplay, presentation

[austere willow]

"This game's for babies" but hten got hit with Nightmare

[celest grove]

"okay this actually surprised me"

[leaden terrace]

nightmare's so cool

[celest grove]

and now he's like

[austere willow]

the fucking realization that a simple cute character can have a living world full of mystery regardless of the cute themes

LIKE

[celest grove]

"let's actually do that every game"

[austere willow]

YGET ME?

he doesnt view the tone of the series as a guidebook but as part of the hwole

[leaden terrace]

thats honestly my favorite thing ever really

finding out that a game's world is much bigger than initially thought

breaking out of ur comfort zone