[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[fleet prism]

REST IN ROTTEN EGG

[pulsar falcon]

No but really I'm curious what happened there

Sectonia ate 4 fruits, Star Dream booted up a new attack program, chaos elfilis is an established mixture of matters

[main fractal]

Void turns into Zero on a diet

[pulsar falcon]

But nothing different happens for the final battle to go so differently here

[leaden terrace]

||this is literally just What Would Happen if Kirby didnt BREAK the crown..||

[main fractal]

The happy ending Kumazaki always wanted

[pulsar falcon]

Yeah pretty much

[thin prairie]

i want magoland deluxe

with more games

[pulsar falcon]

I wonder how canon the true arena ending is

[thin prairie]

basically all of them

[leaden terrace]

prob not canon but ||could possibly lead to smth considering magolor was portaled away||

[thin prairie]

and a board

[fleet prism]

||gets portaled to Kirby Clash 3||

[pulsar falcon]

||Is that monstruous magolor drifting away in space, probably dead or conciousless? ||

[thin prairie]

some of the games would need to be bonus games though

like crane fever and the DL3 games

[leaden terrace]

||magolor's probably dead, so if we meet that magolor soul again, its probably just gonna be master crown||

[pulsar falcon]

Thats dark

Im very confused by kirby lore and canon right now

Becuase Kirby clash games are canon

[thin prairie]

wait how is mago dead

that doesnt make much sense

[leaden terrace]

||tags!!||

[pulsar falcon]

Did you not see the ||True arena ending||

[astral ember]

I still don't understand it

Wasn't the only difference the portal away?

[leaden terrace]

||i mean its easy to assume hes dead cus his eyes closed, he dropped an apple as a last resort, his description is him practically begging kirby to break the crown, the crown didnt break||

[pulsar falcon]

||Magolor doesnt return to his normal self and the crown doesnt break||

[astral ember]

Oh yeah, reading it he does specifically ask Kirby to break the thing on his head

[pulsar falcon]

||And Magolor soul/the master crown using magolor's body doesnt die||

[thin prairie]

kirby party is my most wanted game rn

[leaden terrace]

||hes not dead during the fight cus obviously he was crying out for help, but its likely that by the time we meet him again, the crown couldve consumed him completely like how star dream wiped out haltmann||

[fleet prism]

I don't really understand one thing
Why give a ||bad ending|| to the most challenging mode of the game? If anything this should be an extra happy ending or something like that

[leaden terrace]

kirby party!!

[thin prairie]

just put in a bunch of old subgames

[pulsar falcon]

||Is the "KIIRBYYYYYYY" scream still around when Magolor Soul dies?||

[thin prairie]

and like 2 new ones

[celest grove]

||To be honest we say bad ending but we still got rid of a danger to the universe||

[leaden terrace]

think its to rile things up

[thin prairie]

reuse code for the RTDLDX games

[novel fog]

so is stuff like Meta Knightmare Returns
they are just in 'parallels', not in main world

[astral ember]

They did such a good job with these ones I would absolutely purchase a Magolorland Standalone game with a party mode and more subgames

[leaden terrace]

||are we sure leaving the master crown intact counts as getting rid of a danger to the universe?||

[pulsar falcon]

Seeing it that way yeah, its just a bad ending for ||egg man||

[celest grove]

||it was left intact?||

[rustic trellis]

he got cracked

[pulsar falcon]

Yes

[leaden terrace]

||yep. on magolor soul no less||

[rustic trellis]

made into an omelet

[celest grove]

||did we think too much about it||

[rustic trellis]

sizzled to perfection

[vapid kestrel]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED

[leaden terrace]

im p sure kumazaki would want us to think too much about it

[celest grove]

is it lol

[novel fog]

||we don't see it get cracked, it might of, it might've not, who knows||

[vapid kestrel]

THEY LITERALLY HAVE A SWIRLING EFFECT IN THE GAME FOR ENTERING AD PORTALS

AUGH

[leaden terrace]

why would he make it in the first place lol

clearly he knows the fans would just freak out

[celest grove]

surely he sees the crazy japanese fanbase

[pulsar falcon]

||A corpse resembling magolor soul will appear as a secret boss in a couple of games and then we will know it wasnt to much thinking||

That thing is out there

[leaden terrace]

||i wish i can read japanese so i can see their reactions about the true context of true arena magolor soul.||

[celest grove]

||Suddenly it shows up in Kirby Clash 3D and we will go insane||

[pulsar falcon]

Yes

[novel fog]

||I've heard people think he'll end up becoming a 'Another Magolor'/'Parallel Magolor' or something similar||

[pulsar falcon]

And that line in the pause desc that goes ||Take his hand and save your new friend!|| is just so sad seeing what happens next

[leaden terrace]

||IMAGINE. Just randomly stumbling upon a dark husk of an unknown figure suddenly opening its singular eye and reanimating like a zombie.||

[leaden terrace]

Nguhh.. Shgnnf, hguhu

[cursive sandal]

so it seems true arena is treated as a "what if" scenario in this game

[novel fog]

||yeah, it seems like it might be a parallel||

[cursive sandal]

just a smaller one

[celest grove]

||the thing about those what ifs though... is that literally ANY OF THEM can still be canon outside of the main story||

[astral ember]

That's why I'm still not convinced, honestly. It seemed very specific

[pulsar falcon]

Thats just meaningless now

[leaden terrace]

||It's been discussed here. It would be cool if he does end up becoming a Parallel Magolor, and IF Magolor DOESNT die, he would be reverted back but in a likely less nicer state because he knew Kirby didnt save him and he didnt have to go through his redemption arc too||

[celest grove]

||and potentially interact with the story in some matter if Kumazaki has some real balls||

[novel fog]

||yeah, they are just in parallels, not main world; even Meta Knightmare Returns seems to be canon in a way||

[leaden terrace]

||So basically, a meaner Magolor.||

[pulsar falcon]

Oh boy

[celest grove]

||The problem with parallels at this point is like... nothing actually prevents interaction with each other provided you're given enough power to actually do that||

[pulsar falcon]

Canon galacta

[astral ember]

If they do a Kirby Clash 3, think it'll be F2P again?

[novel fog]

||and that was one of the two modes said to be made as an 'if' scenario (though it was also called a 'parallel story')||

[celest grove]

...I'll be honest I'd still pay lol

[astral ember]

I wouldn't mind either way. The Kirby Clash games are some of the best F2P models I've ever seen

[celest grove]

if it's the same system as the other games I'd still pay

as in $40

and then basically I'm free

[pulsar falcon]

I just wish its not the same bosses again

[novel fog]

||yeah, we already know Magolor knows about Dark Matter Clone (which was only seen in that mode before) for example||

[celest grove]

||wut||

||I need evidence||

[novel fog]

||he made a mask of it, in Magoland||

[celest grove]

oh god

[leaden terrace]

I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT

[celest grove]

Magolor FFS

[novel fog]

||and one of the Stamp Rally card arts implies he made the masks too lmao||

[leaden terrace]

Kumazaki just what are you doing with this

is...

[pulsar falcon]

THIS is the new phase of the franchise?

[leaden terrace]

||Is that why the mask selection is like, slightly weird? Missing some characters here and there||

d-

||Are the MASK SELECTION seriously going to be an asset for lore????||

[novel fog]

||but yeah it's specifically Clone||

[pulsar falcon]

||No parallel nightmare because he hadnt been to clash universe yet||

[novel fog]

||and if you haven't seen the Stamp Rally art yet||

[leaden terrace]

i love him

[novel fog]

yeah, love how this man knows so much stuff lmao

[maiden swan]

And he uses this knowledge to make taranza as miserable as possible

A proud hater

[astral ember]

They have enough material for a whole game-accurate Kirby series. I'd wonder if they'd ever do it, or if they'd try to continue the original anime

[novel fog]

oh, should also point out he knows about Galacta Knight and Marx Soul (has sticker of them in Clash and mask in Magoland), so no matter how you feel about those scenarios, they're canon in some way too

[astral ember]

We can see Taranza getting hated on in a 6 episode arc

[astral ember]

What if all of those tomes in Magolor's Tome Trackers are actually ones hes written about his explorations interdimensionally?

[novel fog]

could be
or could be ancient books he put a new cover on lmao

[leaden terrace]

make a completely !! new anime!!

honestly

you wanna know what id love the most

anime shorts like how pokemon did it

i dont think theres a need to split focus on the anime since theres so much going on in the games, so itd be nice if the anime is more casual and smaller in ambition

[celest grove]

yeah so you can see Taranza depression into something graphical

[leaden terrace]

y-yeah

yeah!!

[celest grove]

that said I do want away from Cappy Village

[maiden swan]

We get to watch Sectonia’s corruption in real time

[celest grove]

I just don't like it as much

[maiden swan]

The corruption in question:

[celest grove]

I want Magolor anime

[leaden terrace]

keep me away from tiff no no

[maiden swan]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-fortnite-fortnite-default-dance-dance-dancing-gif-16356416

[leaden terrace]

i want to see taranza and magolor in 2d

[maiden swan]

This

[celest grove]

I want Bandana Waddle Dee in an anime

[astral ember]

Who looked at the cappys and thought "Yeah, that's the main residential species"

[leaden terrace]

tbh they werent bad

[maiden swan]

That was me

[leaden terrace]

but it really like

[celest grove]

even if he's just the guy who talks instead of Kirby

[maiden swan]

I’m not sorry

[leaden terrace]

limited the creative freedom in settings

[celest grove]

Also after Battle Royale and Forgotten Land

[astral ember]

I also just really didn't like Tiff and Tuff though

[celest grove]

Waddle Dees can talk

and they even requires LESS animation

[leaden terrace]

which is why i want anime shorts!! so you dont have to be stuck to a singular setting, AND you can switch protagonists each episode!

[celest grove]

and they can have character design

[maiden swan]

I still wanna know what tiff and tuff even are

They aren’t cappies so uh

What the hell are they

[leaden terrace]

one episdoes gonnab e about kirby, another about dedede, meta knight, bwd, magolor, taranza, susie, balh blah blah

[celest grove]

Look at this lad

[astral ember]

They're viewer-inserts

[leaden terrace]

he soo silly!

[celest grove]

he's not silly

he works hard

[astral ember]

From the dimension of uh, allowing kids to see themselves in the show

[celest grove]

he's an absolute lad

[maiden swan]

If someone remotely like tiff is watching a show with me I will probably choke them

[leaden terrace]

yes he is a silly hardworker !!

[astral ember]

Blacksmith Waddledee for Smash

[maiden swan]

“Your sword’s done, Kirby! Now please take it before it saps my life force completely.”

[celest grove]

anyway you can give Waddle Dees as much personality as Cappy Town did

[pulsar falcon]

Waddle dee speaking noises lift my soul

[celest grove]

because you still kinda knew every unique person in the town

[leaden terrace]

okay

so

they can make a completely original kirby anime faithful to the games nowadays...

but on one condition

Keep Escargoon.

[pulsar falcon]

Fine

[vast vapor]

waddle dee vending machine

[pulsar falcon]

He is funny

[leaden terrace]

the only good character in the anime

[maiden swan]

Escargoon and Blade Knight’s gibberish

[pulsar falcon]

But his role may need some tweaking

[maiden swan]

Mandatory

[astral ember]

Only if he's the janitor

Right Hand Man gots to go to BWD

[odd rover]

Would enemies be characters or species

[pulsar falcon]

Characters mostly

[celest grove]

you know what, agreed

Escargoon is good

[pulsar falcon]

Chef kawasaki is a character

[astral ember]

Species. Except for Scarfys

[neat path]

This boy needs a bath!!!

[astral ember]

OH minibosses characters

I misread

[pulsar falcon]

Waddle doo is a character too

[leaden terrace]

do you think escargoon and taranza would get along

actually no i dont think they would

[celest grove]

anyway you could also have a Waddle Dee who nerds out on archeology

[astral ember]

Escargoon would make Taranza cry

[maiden swan]

Escargoon would definitely make him cry

[celest grove]

a Waddle Dee who's a good barman

[leaden terrace]

theyd get offended by each other

[celest grove]

a Waddle Dee who predicts the future

[astral ember]

Hilarious slapstick japes

[leaden terrace]

and escargoon just yells at him and taranza keeps quiet about it uncomfortable

[celest grove]

Waddle Doo can be the mayor

[vast vapor]

escargoon says “Your wife is dead” and taranza immediately brings out the salt

[leaden terrace]

TARANZA NO

[celest grove]

Surely though

HAL HAS to be thinking about Kirby anime

[leaden terrace]

they gotta

[celest grove]

considering the huge success of the rerelease

[leaden terrace]

or we protest

[celest grove]

I legit don't think they expected that much success

[maiden swan]

They bring back checker knights for the ost or it’s worthless

[odd rover]

I wonder how a new Kirby anime would be released

[ocean mauve]

growing up this is how i knew of checker knights https://youtu.be/RzM_-YTnQo0

anyone else remember this

[odd rover]

Mhm

[maiden swan]

Yeah

I knew it from brawl

Very sad it didn’t make a return

[celest grove]

I do wonder if Kirby Air Ride cannot be rereleased because of rights of anime music

That's no joke a real wonder

sometimes that can be an issue

[leaden terrace]

honestly yeah i remember

[ocean mauve]

the way kirby's movements synchronize to the song is so mesmerizing

[leaden terrace]

i mean im sure ive first seen it years after it first came out meaning i already knew checker knights but its still a fun video

[ocean mauve]

i have another nostalgic thing to post but it's gonna be way off topic at that point so i'll post it in memeland lol

[main fractal]

The oirign of this wasn't the Mass Attack invincible theme?

[celest grove]

no?

Checker Knights literally reused anime music

like Kirby Air Ride sounded like they reused anime music because they needed more music quick before release

[maiden swan]

Well it had checker knights so I’d say it was an amazing decision

[celest grove]

especially for a game that only got done in 3 months after a year of dev hell

[maiden swan]

I know the anime called it something else but it’s checker knights

[ocean mauve]

i wish 4kids dub ost was archived somewhere. i can only find the original jp version uploaded

[limpid edge]

||Isn't Magoland supposed to be in the future, after he already returned?||

[fleet osprey]

not confirmed

maybe not even canon

[novel fog]

||yeah, it's probably after he was in Clash (and made his shop) and he built the other theme parks at least||

||at the very least, it is definitely the same Magolor||

[limpid edge]

||If it is canon, it's obviously after FL||

[novel fog]

||his arc would not make as much sense or be as satisfying otherwise||

[novel fog]

||yeah, for Magolor at least||

||who knows about the others, at the very least Magoland is seen in Nutty Noon||

[fleet osprey]

||thinking of it as canon is so funny, Magolor just casually has a 1:1 model reference of spider Sectonia lmao||

[celest grove]

can I have an image of Nutty Noon

I can't check

[fleet osprey]

I have a screenshot of the grand doomer door

[limpid edge]

||If he had Dark Matter Clone...||

[fleet osprey]

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[novel fog]

assuming this is what you want

[fleet osprey]

OH that

[novel fog]

||he also has masks of Galacta Knight and Marx Soul (though he had stickers of them in Super Clash before too)||

[fleet osprey]

it's weird to me how we can talk about stuff like morpho knight and chaos elfilis without tagging as spoilers

[ocean mauve]

what are your headcanons regarding magoland appearing in the background of certain levels. im going with some sort of mirage deal where the theme park's Presence can be made visible to kirby even when he's far away from it. idk why mago would do that but yeah

[fleet osprey]

it just looks cool

[novel fog]

well it's just Nutty Noon Stage 1 iirc

[ocean mauve]

is it not in cookie country somewhere?

[fleet osprey]

trust me HAL doesn't overthink about lore as much as we do lmao

[ocean mauve]

lmao provb

[pulsar falcon]

magoland exists in popstar and no one can convince me otherwise

[novel fog]

probably has something to do with Mast or something similar causing distortions (like of the sky in Grand Doomer fight)

[fleet osprey]

Void Termina has come to play in Merry Magoland!

[ocean mauve]

keep his size the same scale it's at in SA

[fleet osprey]

of course

imo magoland in nutty noon has the same implications as Kirby wearing an Elfilin mask in Cookie Country

[novel fog]

eh, it's definitely intentional to only have it there

and would make sense with the other Nutty Noon distortions

there's other things that make much less sense in this game lmao

[ocean mauve]

i'll just chalk it up to magolor doing time travelly bs because he thinks fucking with the timeline in innocuous ways is funny

[sand frigate]

|| https://youtu.be/ZDDaN0v_ULg ||

love this song

||the a stroll on the ocean floor segment is soo good 🥹 ||

[celest grove]

Ando do be still crazy

[main fractal]

||More of a freezing temple man but it's a banger none the less||

[thin forge]

what two masks do you get for 100 missions, i know ||manager magolor is one||

[novel fog]

||the gold statue of Elfilin which gives you Elfilin (Smiling) mask||

[thin forge]

||mid as hell||

||bro cant even smile||

[rustic trellis]

||Elfilin Statue shoudlve given us one of the FL Waddle Dee Town Waddle Dee's||

[thin forge]

or just ||elfilis lmao||

[rustic trellis]

you see i would agree, but some people would be mad because FL has only been out for a year

[novel fog]

well, less than

[pulsar falcon]

INTERNAL STRUGGLE

Not to confuse with Inner Struggle

[ruby narwhal]

Speaking of which

[main fractal]

At least they are slightly different

[ruby narwhal]

WISH ME LUCK LADS

[main fractal]

Funny Woods Wayfarer moment

I'm not calling the rtdl song that btw

It is Through the Forest

[sand frigate]

good luck

[pliant socket]

SO TRUEEEEEE

[floral mantle]

what's the Japanese title?

[tawdry mulch]

||Still not entirely certain about all the extra modes being canon now in different timelines. I think its possible and there's probably a good chance it's a thing buuuut for me personally I think there is way more stuff that needs to be parsed about the nature of this multiverse before I can comfortably say extra modes are things that happened in the greater multiverse||

[novel fog]

I wish they didn't rename it that in English
it already had an English name that was less confusing lol

like I know JP name is similar to the Mass Attack song too (though still different)
but still

[floral mantle]

||eh... if the situation calls for it, then we'll consider it relevant.||

[novel fog]

||I mean, Magolor knows about them at least, and Meta Knightmare Returns is a 'parallel story', so I'd assume they are parallels at least (assuming they all did not happen in main world)||

[ruby narwhal]

…

I was halfway through the final phase too…

[floral mantle]

ooh... the mask fell off

[tawdry mulch]

||Tbf all we have for that are the masks which could just be like keychains and stickers and are here for fun||

[worldly burrow]

taranza epilogue where each level represents the 5 stages of greif

[floral mantle]

Makes me wonder ||did Magolor stalk Susie during holiday seasons||

[main fractal]

She harrassed his shop in that outfit probably

[vocal latch]

But we see Magolor design the masks

[thin forge]

old friend mask lmao

[novel fog]

||I mean, they implied Magolor made them which should mean something||

||and in Clash he knows stuff like the names of the gear at least (would not be surprised if he knew name of stickers as well)||

[vocal latch]

||Wait, does he not say that he made the gear in Clash?||

[floral mantle]

so... where did Magolor ||saw Drawcia?||

[novel fog]

||no, he probably did, I'm just saying at least he knows names and stuff if he somehow didn't||

||because he knows like Morpho Knight and stuff for sure||

[novel fog]

||idk, maybe he found the painting?||

[floral mantle]

I see.

||Does Magolor making clash gear make him a fan of Magical Girls?|| Hmm...

[pliant socket]

||lol imagine if mags knows about all of this because of the keychains

Cause like he clearly has access to them as seen in drum dash deluxe||

[vocal latch]

||He's had some connection to Floralia (if you want to call it a connection), and her painting is implied to have come from there.||

[floral mantle]

is Magolor ||a fan of magical girls?|| I mean... one of the clash gears

[maiden forum]

|| https://vxtwitter.com/Lowly_RiDEL/status/1633255293789560832?s=20 ||
I wish i had waited longer to press the record button but this transition was way too perfectly timed with the music

[pliant socket]

Put a space between the tags and the link so it can embed

[vocal latch]

||Did you forget his EX transformation? Of course he is!||

[floral mantle]

oh lord, someone made a mod of Magical Girl Kirby over Flare Beam

[pliant socket]

||THATS AMAZING LOL||

[maiden forum]

i hate that it cuts off so soon

[sand frigate]

still in awe in how that arena looks

love it

[maiden forum]

also dedede is broken during the flare beam segment

just super dedede jump spam lol

[sand frigate]

also them using ||the guest star remix from star allies is a massive W||

||love that song||

[maiden forum]

is is the same one or a new mix of that?

[sand frigate]

same one

||there is another version tho||

||with a choir and magolor crying for help||

[celest grove]

or he is just a businessman who knows what to do to satisfy us Kirby fans

(for money)

[floral mantle]

imagine Magolor watching Sailor Moon to study Magical Girls so he can design the gear

[celest grove]

I mean

he does it for research

[maiden forum]

also i swear in that fight if you are playing dedede || he actually calls out dedede instead of kirby but idk i dont wear headphones||

[celest grove]

lol

[celest grove]

nah that can't really be

||there's only one alternate track||

[maiden forum]

so im hearing things

oh its an alternate track i thought it might just be a sfx

is there a version on youtube with ||magolors cries||

[celest grove]

yes

but it's also on the sound test

they made a special file just for the sound test

[maiden forum]

whats the name?

[celest grove]

Song 197

||Supreme Ruler's Coronation - OVERLORD||

[novel fog]

||yeah, though you have to wait a bit to hear it||

||since it has both versions of the song||

[celest grove]

yeah

[novel fog]

||(and is probably the longest ingame song in the series now lmao)||

[celest grove]

you have to wait 3:40

[sand frigate]

||how long is it? 7 minutes?||

[tawdry mulch]

Iddkkkk I feel like if the masks really were meant for something this important Magolor should have had some dialogue about it

[celest grove]

||Void theme is 6:13
Overlord in RTDX soundtest is 7:10||

(RAW times, no loops)

[sand frigate]

lol damn

[tawdry mulch]

Kumazami when he has dialogue about it in some interview:
(I will be irrationally upset)

For all we know extra modes are Magolor fan fiction LMAO

[celest grove]

That song is the longest song in the series, technically.

[novel fog]

I mean, considering whatever that is going on with Galacta too I doubt it lol

[tawdry mulch]

All Magolor fan fiction

[main fractal]

You're magolor fanfiction

[molten vapor]

deep down, were all magolor fanfiction

[maiden forum]

okay now that i can listen with earbuds ||what in the mother of fuck ||

[novel fog]

and the fact they specifically used 'parallel story' for Meta Knightmare Returns in general of course

[tawdry mulch]

Parallel story because Meta knights eyes are two parallel ovals 🤔

[novel fog]

well so are Kirby's lmao

[tawdry mulch]

Makes you think

[pliant socket]

fake, if this was true then where is the magolor x kumazaki chapter

[tawdry mulch]

This is why Magolor Epilogue ended up being punishment for Magolor

He went too far

You know what since we are alresdy here Magolor moving his park to the past should make rtdx an alternate timeline because rtdl didn't have a park

[novel fog]

well nothing says if it is/was originally actually there or if it is a distortion caused by Mast or something like that

[tawdry mulch]

The only distortion here is the fact that no one is ready to accept two rtdl timelines that are exactly the same except one has an uglier dedede

And one has disney

[pliant socket]

so the remake?

haha im gonna get burned to the stakes for this

[astral ember]

I wonder if we'll ever get to see those New Ability Challenge rooms again

Also salty for ||No playable Magolor in main game or arena||

[tawdry mulch]

The steak in question: 🥩

[pliant socket]

NOOO I HATE STAKE

I love how as soon as I said that discord crashed

[tawdry mulch]

Ok you are getting burned at the stake for that one

Larma

[tawdry mulch]

Yeah this is unfortunate

[pliant socket]

I think that discord is out for me because I said that I prefer rtdl dedede

[pliant socket]

Fair tbh

[thin forge]

||magolor surge would have shredded the true arena||

[astral ember]

The fully upgraded moveset was probably the problem

[valid comet]

Nearing the end of world 3 in epilogue
It’s been pretty fun

I love his dialogue for every upgrade, even in a time like this he’s still a snarky/funny fuck

[thin forge]

"hee hee hee im so evil but also lonely :("

[valid comet]

Bro is like Bill Cypher in that Piemations vid

Having fun talking to himself until he’s like

“I’m incredibly lonely!”

[hasty yoke]

I do want to see Magolor modded into true arena

[molten vapor]

ah yes, meat grinder simulatior

[covert jasper]

now that you say it missed opportunity to not have magolor in the true arena, even if it was like the other 3 chars that you need to beat it once to unlock

[molten vapor]

yeah, already beating it as a prerequisite would absolutely be needed for balancing

[covert jasper]

hmm although they would need to rework some stuff

anyway, it would had been cool

[novel fog]

eh it's pretty balanced anyway probably
Magolor is pretty weak, isn't he?

like Epilogue bosses are weaker than normal ones at least right

[molten vapor]

not sure if your being sarcastic, hard to tell that kinda stuff on the internet

[novel fog]

no I mean they have less HP and stuff don't they

[molten vapor]

i forgor

[maiden swan]

At the very least in the true arena

They have less hp than their EX mode counterparts

Aside from ||Hydriath||

They have the same amount

[novel fog]

||well those are just all 75% of their actual HP either way||

[maiden swan]

I see

[acoustic crescent]

||does true arena mago soul actually affect by this too? (even it's not the same ex version unlike original one) :o||

[maiden swan]

||Maybe just for the first phase||

[molten vapor]

i mean, still higher net health

[novel fog]

||idk, but Extra Mode one just has 1200 HP I believe||

||while Magolor in True Arena has 1500 in total, 600 for phase 1 and 900 for phase 2, not sure how it is internally for them||

[maiden swan]

If that’s the case, ||he’s technically the only true arena battle with more HP than the version you fight before||

From what I’m seeing

[molten vapor]

hey, entirely off topic here, but what stage does the first Hal room appear in? i believe that it's in stage 4, but i dont remember well

[novel fog]

||2000 might be value for True Arena one's actual base HP if I had to guess||

||so guess they just use different values from each other||

[maiden swan]

Stage 1-4, yeah

[north scaffold]

||ill never see green magolor the same way ever again||

[novel fog]

yeah

[molten vapor]

thanks

[maiden swan]

Either way, that will not help me get over how hard I got mixed by that fight

I miraculously beat EX mode’s first try only to get bodybagged in true arena

[neat path]

Fucking god damn cheating AI in Kirby on the draw, holy fucking shit, what the FUCK!!!!

[maiden swan]

Yeah

[lofty viper]

i tried for a better time 😳

[astral ember]

He's so proud

and we're so proud of you

[maiden swan]

The D in his name stands for Damage

[lofty viper]

smug

[vast vapor]

good job that is indeed a better time

[solar harbor]

Use touch controls

[astral ember]

That was one of those subgames I cheesed

Had 3 friends over when it launched and I just sort of left the controllers out so

[molten vapor]

King DamageeDamageeDamagee

[lofty viper]

are magoland tours as fun as i figure they are

with 4 players

[molten vapor]

yes

[astral ember]

...we figured out it existed right before they left

[lofty viper]

[astral ember]

So we didn't try more than level 1 😦

But it was fun!

I really want a Kirby Party board where you get like. Snacks or whatever

[molten vapor]

Hey, does anyone know which songs play in the normal path and hard path of mid-boss tower in ex mode? im working on something and need to know them

[lofty viper]

that actually varies between story and extra, let me check

[molten vapor]

thank you

[lofty viper]

here's the four tracks that can play in that stage

https://wikirby.com/wiki/Jukebox/Kirby's_Return_to_Dream_Land#:~:text=Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe Jukebox track list

[molten vapor]

thank you very much

[lofty viper]

np

[thin prairie]

hello

[molten vapor]

greetings

[thin prairie]

hi

i forgot what i wanted to say

[molten vapor]

happens to the best of us

[thin forge]

dammit hardmode meta knight why are you the only person i cant beat in samurai kirby

how do i cheese this

we consistently tie

[proper spindle]

Just press the button early and hope you did it at the right time to correctly predict the sound

[jagged dirge]

Are energy spheres in different spaces in Extra Mode at any point? I think the second one was different in 1-2 but maybe I'm just crazy

[proper spindle]

It's how I got first place in a 100 Samurai Kirby tournament

Just press the button early and pray the prompt appears as the hit registers

[fathom cradle]

Nope not at all

[jagged dirge]

I'm crazy then, cool

[fathom cradle]

The differences are challenge stage layouts, bosses, enemy placements and less food

[jagged dirge]

The enemies are also bigger and have more health

It feels like artificial difficulty, nothing actually substantially difficult

I'm only on stage 3 though, maybe it gets better

[pliant socket]

*worse

[jagged dirge]

It could also get worse yeah

I need to do this for 100% though so

Even if it's horrible though, at least I have a cute little puffball on my screen

That's enough for me

[solar harbor]

I just realized ||why Magolor isn't playable in both Arenas. This would be so fucking awkward to see Magolor fighting against... himself!?||

Meanwhile in the comments section for ||CROWNED Medley (on Star Allies)||

(See video: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJRP3PcMkU ||)
Warning: The comments section and context for why I posted this has spoilers

[molten vapor]

no

[paper herald]

magolor’s epilogue little animation
i’m actually ruined over this he cries i :(

i know ||he cries in the ending|| but this broke me,,

[ocean mauve]

||wait he does? i swear i don't remember it||

[paper herald]

||he shakes and wipes his face when he sees the portal||

ALSO WILD PAUSE SCREEN LORE
spoilered for final boss in magolor epilogue
||i didnt even think there would be paused lore here its during the giant sword fight||

[vocal latch]

Check JP version

||Pay For One's Sin!||

[paper herald]

catboy judas striking again

THATS SO COOL??

[vocal latch]

LOL

[paper herald]

NO BECAUSE SAME OMG

[ocean mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920498813150593034/1082517574010548305/watermark.gif

[paper herald]

THAT DAMNED PUZZLE I’M RUINED.

i actually lost like 100% of my intelligence dying to that it was a terrible shameful experien

[pliant socket]

I can't wait for this gif to go viral so I can say

"omg i made that"

[paper herald]

Also i love the?? Maxxed out dialogue for magolor’s abilities

||also the mid-way ones because he makes the dumbest puns||

He’s actually so stupid i love hi-

||i’m totally replaying the game just to see every midway-maxxed bit of dialogue because its actually the cutest thing ever of him just violently making puns||

[molten vapor]

relatable

[paper herald]

the maxxed out ones are either violently sad or violently cute.

or
cheeky

can we post art here??

[solar harbor]

That one sounded a bit odd to me

||"Atoning for his misdeeds" sounds way better imo||

[ocean mauve]

so long as you credit it (if it's not yours) then yeah go for it (assuming you mean art that's specifically epilogue related; art that's unrelated to rtdldx would go in #canvas-curse)

[paper herald]

TY!!

i’ve obsessed too close to the sun guys

[ocean mauve]

omg

[paper herald]

maxxed out dialogue for floating

[ocean mauve]

||that dialogue was the first maxed dialogue i got and it made me :( - im glad you drew it||

[paper herald]

IT HURTY.

[solar harbor]

||He dreams of it one day, and we finally gave it to him||

[paper herald]

this was my first and its also so violently cute and

[paper herald]

HE MIGHT NOT DESERVE IT BUT MAN DO I WANT HIM TO BE HAPPY.

[ocean mauve]

dialogue like this makes me think he genuinely grew fond of kirby and friends when he didn't anticipate it

poor little egg

[paper herald]

No omg because like

I THINK HE’S GENUINE HERE.
i mean its directly stated he sees them as friends in the epilogue so

Poor guyyy

I’ve been like

Violently consuming every bit of content of magolor hating that he loves the little goobers

i’m :((((

AND THEN HE BETRAYS THEM AND GOES TO SUPERHELL AND REGRETS IT AND

Also dude the credit scene lore is crazy i i i literally was screaming
||i cant believe microtransactions are canon and central to the kirby lore…||

i violently took photos if anyone ever needs them before someone actually takes 10 times better ones-

[molten vapor]

magolor has the most complex character arc out of any kirby character

[paper herald]

NO FR

or dedede
they’re fighting a wild fight

[novel fog]

don't worry, we already have the credits images ripped lol

[paper herald]

OH THANK GOD

[ruby plaza]

Only a real mf rapidly takes screenshots

[paper herald]

GAHBAHA

only a real fan screams and cant get the camera out on time so he sits through the million hour credits a second time just to be 1000% prepa

this wa my first picture its so bad

[vocal latch]

It looks like a dream

[paper herald]

HAHAHA IT DOESS

[vocal latch]

time travel to a few weeks ago and say "MAGOLOR EPILOGUE LEAK" by posting this

[paper herald]

GAHBAHA

[molten vapor]

well, i created a document full of all the new stuff in the deluxe game. It is horribly unfinished, but i want to go to bed, so I'll finish it tomorrow. here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X5uvTQoozNM7OUKSyJOICpncEhdcdLFEg0fHvTQ_AC4/edit?usp=sharing

[pliant socket]

THIS LOOKS LIKE A 4CHAN LEAK BAHAHAHAHHAA

[vocal latch]

YEAH

[faint galleon]

True

Me traveling back in time to February 8th and dropping this image on 4chan

[pliant socket]

guys....you won't believe this ‼️

[novel fog]

could look at stuff like WiKirby and see what stuff they have listed
if you're going for changes in general

[pliant socket]

What the fuck do you want anon

This better not be one of those fake leaks again otherwise im leaking your address

Is adeline playable

[vocal latch]

Nonono, not that early.

You need to drop it on...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920498813150593034/1074016799357677648/caption.gif

[molten vapor]

yeah, I'll do that tomorrow

[faint galleon]

FUCK

It's so funny that this game never leaked

[solar harbor]

||Magolor scams Kirby and friends' trust before proceeding to scam your mom's credit card||

||That's how Magolor Epilogue started and ended||

[ruby plaza]

Does this mean human currency is canon to Kirby?

[solar harbor]

||Magolor be like the ||

||He knows what to do with your dollars and Philippine pesos||

[novel fog]

||Magolor gets the money, the Gem Apples, and all the fragments, man is rich||

[paper herald]

GSHSBAHA

||its a story of revenge.||

I love how… vague it is.

[solar harbor]

||It's also penance, as in the final battle||

[paper herald]

||“yknow maybe”||

[solar harbor]

||I'm gonna do it again! And again!||

[paper herald]

BDHSBAB

honestly magolor epilogue was lowkey more fun than the main game

[vocal latch]

||THE POSE||

[thin prairie]

What missing mask charies do yall want? I already got, Gryll, Elfilis, Void, and Fluff.

[paper herald]

NO FRRRR

[thin prairie]

I mean as a wishlist

[novel fog]

||lmao||

[paper herald]

not even magolor knows he’s just here for the ride

also i like the implication that

this goober

[novel fog]

||hands are in almost same position and everything||

[paper herald]

got traumatized but said “what if we capitalized on it”

[thin prairie]

Fishing for sympathy

[paper herald]

VERY BASED OF HIM

bro really said “yk why dont we sell masks of my Evil Form”

“and we’ll call that Traitor Magolor”

[thin prairie]

Even if its the in game explanation I cannot believe he would call it traitor magolor and not really cool powerful overlord magolor or something

[paper herald]

HAHAHHAHAHA

HE WOULLDDD

OH MY GOD

[solar harbor]

Magolor how are you doing this to yourself

[leaden terrace]

tbh he seems to not have ANYTHING where he would draw the line lol

[maiden swan]

He owns up to his sins and rocks them in the process

[leaden terrace]

"Look guys didnt I look so cool back when I betrayed you? Haha good times"

[vapid kestrel]

The fact that they chose to recreate rtdl renders on the ability screens is so funny

[novel fog]

btw has anyone ripped the images from there yet

[thin forge]

daniel soul

[proper spindle]

“Kirby where did you get that mask”

“Kirby this isn’t a joke how did you get that-“

[errant rapids]

Hey quick question- how long is the Magilor Epilogue?

[thin forge]

2 hours roughly

[leaden terrace]

only 20 levels

[errant rapids]

This looks way more substantial than Dededetour and Meta Knightmare

Ah okay so not too long

[thin forge]

i had to actively try to die

so yeah

[errant rapids]

Fair enough Ig

[junior mesa]

depends on how dedicated you are to it
first completion could be 1 1/2 to 2 hrs ish
add some more if you want to all-platinum + get all upgrades

[proper spindle]

Im gonna imagine Kirby just found it lying on the ground in Magoland

[junior mesa]

but yeah, the levels aren't too long
definitely a side mode, but still pretty fun

[errant rapids]

Another question, since I just beat the main game. I have every Energy Sphere, but it's saying I'm only at 92%. Is the remaining 8 for the Copy Ability challenge rooms?

[lost briar]

yes

[errant rapids]

Ight thanks guys 👍

[thin forge]

"this is where i ||was at my lowest point||, kirby"

"hAiii!"

[errant rapids]

I really like how much side content there is to do. I haven't even really touched Merry Magoland

[leaden terrace]

gotta thank HAL for that

they did an amazing job

[proper spindle]

They really have made me want a Kirby party game more than ever

[brazen drift]

might I say good sir that your pfp is spectacular

[late root]

his pfp looks like marx is done with kirby's shit

[broken rune]

magoland more like mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfzXraGGOl8

[novel fog]

sort of funny theory I've seen that seems to be popular in JP community:
Magolor did not originally want the Master Crown to rule Halcandra (or the universe), he wanted it to achieve his dream of making a theme park but Master Crown started to rule over him (and distorted his thoughts and filled him with hatred and obsession) instead
thoughts?

would be funny but idk if crown could start to rule over him that fast lol
but who knows

though it would be still sort of weird if Magolor wanted it to rule Halcandra, since that place is ruined and all that

then again I guess he only says the 'ruling over' stuff near the end of his speech, doesn't he? so maybe the theory is possible

[leaden terrace]

whats he gonna need master crown for in making a theme park ??

forcing people to give him the funds and/or make the theme park?

[novel fog]

idk, it gives 'limitless power' so lol

[leaden terrace]

Destroys planets and reconstructs them and says "now its a theme park!"

[austere willow]

honestly i think Magolor's entire motive for the most part is to simply be too ambitious

[novel fog]

I don't know if he knew about the actual effects of the crown and stuff at least

[austere willow]

because it fits with the whole idea that hes humbling down to open a shop then a theme park

He "likes to aim high"

He's quite literally kind of egotistically hungry and whether or not his dream to make a theme park was it, he wanted that limitless power

[leaden terrace]

I always thought Magolor's need to get a crown is a result of his gradually more extreme ambitions, he wants to do more and more extreme things to satisfy his more extreme desires

and it eventually ended up at "damn i wanna take over the universe so bad!"

[austere willow]

Yeah thats the thing

also

[leaden terrace]

like it just came up in his mind, hes already so used to his ususal treachery

[austere willow]

both jp and english has the whole

[leaden terrace]

that he wants to make it more and more

[austere willow]

"everyone screaming" thing

so theres also a possibility

that he wanted to Not-Joy version

[leaden terrace]

magolor you silly egg!! thats not moral or, anything good at all

[austere willow]

like the core of it all is that Magolor's a trickster with or without the crown

regardless of his dream to establish a theme park as long as his Trickster Ego gets scratched i dont think he cares

[leaden terrace]

yeah !!

[novel fog]

well, in JP, it isn't necessarily screaming
but could be translated like that I guess

[ocean mauve]

magolor wanted to be Evil Trickster with the crown then realized that was going too far so he's now settled for Silly Inoffensive Trickster

[leaden terrace]

he met kirby so he has to follow this fate sadly

it's not easy to be a liar and a wizard

[novel fog]

at least assuming you mean the キャーキャー stuff
which is 'used to describe a high-pitched voice that is startled, frightened, or excitedly noisy.'

so guess it could be similar lol

[leaden terrace]

yeah i think it applies as well

[austere willow]

yes, screaming

[leaden terrace]

him using kyaa kyaa as his way of saying screaming is SO fuckign fitting for his character its funny

i know some people do that when they describe noises and its so funny every time

[opaque flare]

Quick question
Is the game worth it if you've played the Wii version before

[leaden terrace]

yes

as its been said here many times, the only reason youd want to go back to the original rtdl is scope shot and visual changes in the final boss

so id say its very worth it

[opaque flare]

Sweet

[austere willow]

omg its Hirooooo from splatoon

[novel fog]

though tbh idk if I've seen anyone freaked out from JP version of the line
but I haven't looked the most lol

[leaden terrace]

i mean, it mustve been written a little differently from the eng ver

[novel fog]

yeah it is

[leaden terrace]

cus the eng ver made it clear that its like a little trick there, youd think magolor really wanted to hear the screams but it was of joy

while in jp, i assume magolor may just be saying screams of joy and thats it

[novel fog]

yeah he just says he wants to hear everyone's キャーキャー

[leaden terrace]

hilarious how the localization changes that. i honestly like it more so i appreciate it

[novel fog]

then in line after he says he wants to make a theme park
but it isn't really set up like English line with the screaming thing

[solar harbor]

Same, really somewhat shows Magolor's tricky side at points

That's plus points for me

[novel fog]

yeah, English version makes stuff more extreme in general feels like lol

[solar harbor]

What's the Japanese version/equivalent of Magolor almost calling everyone his "easy target"

[novel fog]

which line is that again

oh you mean like in story mode?

[novel fog]

considering other lines that were retranslated, suppose that one is supposed to be closer to JP (which is same as original version)

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[novel fog]

pretty sure JP equivalent is キミみたいな　おひとよ… イヤイヤ、シンセツな人が　いるナンテネ。

[leaden terrace]

also, this line feels more self-contained, so it has to be the same

what was he going to say i wonder?

[solar harbor]

Yeah, what's the translation gonna look like btw?

[novel fog]

from what I can tell, he cuts off on saying おひとよし in JP version at least
which means like a person who takes everything in good faith and is easily taken advantage of from what I can tell

so English seems pretty accurate for this one

[leaden terrace]

love it lol

[granite cedar]

compiled all ancients related visual cues in one image which may or may not have relevance who knows

thanks to rtdl dx for tying it all together

[novel fog]

||did not notice Wondaria and Egg Engines shared saturn-like planet stuff||

||there's also the whole Egger(s) thing, wonder if it means anything lol||

[granite cedar]

||wait where was egger thing mentioned again? besides egger engines||

[novel fog]

||in JP version the dogs' last names are エッガーズ (Eggers)||

[granite cedar]

OH.

OH.

i mean ||with saturn planet stuff? i feel like this very might well be intentional||

what's to say that ||park's original creator didn't go to help to construct egg engines||

especially considering ||their affinity for space||

...wow this comes together so well actually

[leaden terrace]

||lol i realize this probably all ties into magolor being called an egg himself||

[granite cedar]

im not sure if this is entirely intentional on HAL's part

like they recognized fan nickname but they only started doing that in later years

[leaden terrace]

probably not but the connection is hilarious

[granite cedar]

yeah lol

[jolly valve]

Does anyone have an image of official Magolor Egg Cartons that the wiki mentioned

[novel fog]

||ワンダックス エッガーズ (左) と ワンダリィ エッガーズ (右) (something like 'Wandax Eggers (left) and Wandari Eggers (right)')||

[leaden terrace]

so cute

[granite cedar]

they really should make them an actual plushies at this point ah...

[novel fog]

idk why Faye left this out of her translation way back then lol

||but anyway I remember 'Eggers' thing was big talking point in JP community lol||

[granite cedar]

this is wild

i feel like with current amount of evidence we have, it's safe to say that new world civilization = ancients are all but directly stated

crazy!

[leaden terrace]

i can accept this

this is actually p cool

[novel fog]

yeah, with New World vocal lyrics it is pretty much confirmed lol

lot of Jambastion language-like words

and the usual roa stuff

[granite cedar]

i genuinely love it because forgotten land at a glance is super standalone but nope

here, the origin of civilization that created everything relevant in kirby universe

[novel fog]

didn't find that but I found Apple Tea
good enough

[granite cedar]

Oh my god

[leaden terrace]

i immediately assumed it was jambastion langauge when it was first revealed, got really skeptical about it looking at it more but finally concluding with confidence thats its most like jambastion with other evidence. honestly what a silly thought process lol

[novel fog]

also wonder if they'll ever do anything more with Elfilis and whatever his species is or just leave it at that

[leaden terrace]

seems unlikely they would unless it has to do with elfilin

[granite cedar]

well there is no way elfilin is disappearing from the series at this point

so we might learn more

[leaden terrace]

and idk how important elfilin is gonna be from this point on

[novel fog]

maybe I just wonder if we'll see any other members

[granite cedar]

like it or not, fl is the most popular game in the franchise now, so they would like to keep him around

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[granite cedar]

plus he is like ALL OVER THE PLACE now

he's even in samurai kirby novel

[leaden terrace]

just wonder how much he will contribute to the incoming lore lol

cus he seems v important, the fact that they introduced elfilis at all

[thin prairie]

We could get a prequel to how the new world inhabitants captured elfilis

[leaden terrace]

must be leading up to something

[granite cedar]

yknow

[solar harbor]

Or explore Elfilis' species

[granite cedar]

if there are more of those species left

[solar harbor]

Which I also somewhat did for Cyon lore

[granite cedar]

and they wander around space

....i can smell susie sticking her nonexistent nose into that

[thin prairie]

Maybe elfilis' species are extremely territorial

[leaden terrace]

i always saw elfilis as like the only one of his kind ever so itd be weird if we actually see another member

he seems WAY too unique

[granite cedar]

maybe hes like

a stand out example

an ultimate member of his species

others also have similar powers but not as powerful

[leaden terrace]

maybe!

[thin prairie]

Maybe

[novel fog]

I mean I'd assume he's not only one
would be weird if he was

[granite cedar]

plus

FL kinda sorta indirectly showed us the process of growing of such species too

so this might be relevant later

[leaden terrace]

but its weird that he specifically has warping powers, psychic powers, a spear, an angelic presence, his name being either forgo or elfilis, etc.

like, thats so much...

[granite cedar]

it is weird!

especially since there is no way ancients are related to this for once

[leaden terrace]

AND he consumes other creatures in his slime-like form so like

whats going on with this species??

[granite cedar]

my interpretation is that elfilis might be like, what magolor was to kirby lore

introduction to new overarching element

[leaden terrace]

POSSIBLY

omg

[novel fog]

though idk if they would look the same/similar
or if they really are/become different chimeras and all

[granite cedar]

once ancients will completely run their course

[vocal latch]

Don't forget ||Mekkai||

[leaden terrace]

i think the most interesting thing is that as elfilis, he shares no traits of whatever he consumed

[thin prairie]

What if the 3rd clash game is set where a parallel elfilis tries to invade the dream kingdom?

[granite cedar]

OH YEAH TRUE

also

[leaden terrace]

His body type is entirely unique, he has wing ears, he has antlers (closest thing is that bull enemy i guess but idk), he wields a completely unique spear

[granite cedar]

i already pointed this out but

[novel fog]

well, that we can tell anyway

[granite cedar]

elfilis has a lot in common with sectonia. parasitic species, fighting style, consuming other bodies to get stronger/change shape

so i wonder if this is intentional

since triple deluxe is the only other modern game that has no real connection to ancients arc

[leaden terrace]

so, if this elfilis isnt the true form of fecto

then i would guess its the identity that fecto took on

[vocal latch]

Could even have the origin of "This otherworldly lifeform was born from the dreams of the Ultimate Lifeform which were in Another Dimension."

[thin prairie]

YESSSSS

[leaden terrace]

actually, think about it... void, void termina

weird little parallels going on i cant stop thinking about it

[leaden terrace]

id love that LOL

[granite cedar]

lately kirby lore discussions get me feeling like

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

like yesss finally pieces are coming into place i was waiting for so long 😭

[leaden terrace]

void took on the identity of void termina
following that logic, fecto (forgo) would've taken on the identity of fecto elfilis too

[novel fog]

btw found thing you were looking for (from https://pickups.jp/news/4796/)

[jolly valve]

Thank you thank you

[novel fog]

TDX weirdly feels like it doesn't have the most connections to stuff in general
like at least compared to other modern main games

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[novel fog]

like I guess there's Dimension Mirror as well as later a bit of Clash stuff (with Taranza and all), Coily Rattler in Robobot, and that's about it from top of my head

[maiden crane]

do you think food stalls at magoland sell stuff like this

[solar harbor]

Sectonia Clone as well

[novel fog]

oh yeah

[solar harbor]

Also gameplay-wise there's 3D Warp Stars and Warp Boxes

[novel fog]

yeah
though is expected for Robobot to reuse elements like that

[leaden terrace]

i think the thing about tdx is that its background is mostly self-contained

sure it, spreads like around pop-star by the end but most of the time its just taranza and sectonia

the mriror is more or less involved, but not to an extent that "WOAH DARK MIND ATTACKED HER" its just that taranza brought the mirror to her and she got corrupted by it (we dont even know how specifically, so we blamed it on dmk)

[novel fog]

well I'd assume it was mirror itself

since mirror was corrupted since like beginning of Amazing Mirror
but yeah who knows exactly how

is weird she doesn't seem to have a 'Dark'/'Shadow' variant (unless her DX form is that, but they never really say)

especially since Dedede got one in Dededetour when reflected in the mirror

[lost briar]

no fucking way

THE BONE APPLE TEA

[austere willow]

does

anyone have a screencap (not picture) of

[late root]

o h m y g o d

microtransagolor branded apple tea

[austere willow]

the Fully Restored Powers Magolor

[lost briar]

as in the pause screen text or...?

[austere willow]

not the text

the

[lost briar]

there's like no difference visually

[austere willow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fcs-vs-battle/images/0/05/Magolor_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20180729132724

the

[novel fog]

if you mean picture I don't think anyone's ripped it yet

[leaden terrace]

oh ..

[austere willow]

Can somoene PLEASE

send it to me

cuz im sure its not hte same on not-fully-restored mags

[lost briar]

oh that's what you mean

do they still use pre rendered images in this game?

[austere willow]

yes

[novel fog]

yeah it's different
here's picture of fully restored description in JP version at least

[austere willow]

PERFEC

[leaden terrace]

he looks a little smaller

[novel fog]

I don't have good picture of normal one but for comparison

[granite cedar]

yeah and i feel like this is why this game is one big chekhov's gun

and elfilis and sectonia's parallels are no coincidence

[leaden terrace]

wait what r elfilis and sectonia's parallels.

[granite cedar]

parasitic species

invasive species

leech off bodies of others to gain more power and alter their form

their graceful appearance and fighting style

[leaden terrace]

i only knew that elfilis and sectonia shared a head/face shape OHHHH

[granite cedar]

theres also this thing

where taranza was "bewitched" by sectonia

which may or may not be similar to how fecto was brainwashing leon and dedede

[leaden terrace]

i rly like the thought of that

if they literally follow up elfilis's possible connection with sectonia itd be insane

[austere willow]

ok thankyou for this image

spits these out

[leaden terrace]

LOL

[austere willow]

why is it the same fucking pose and body shape

WHY DOES BOTH THE CAPTIONS THAT GOT COVERED UP AND ON TOP FIT WITH MAGOLOR

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJeqAqCWYAcWnRK.jpg

LIKE?

[leaden terrace]

it rly is just him

[austere willow]

magolor epilogue

[urban bluff]

does he ever not tired posing his hand like that for 10000 years

[ocean mauve]

found someone who has the current world record for deluxe dedede true arena speedrun

oh wait shit it's not the full video

I was duped

[flat pendant]

Magolor tome trackers (more like Magolor toe crackers) is the worst mini game with ai players. It was made with human players in mind not cpu players that can instantly know where everything is while human brain is not fast enough to react.

[ruby narwhal]

Kirby on the draw has a similar problem but the field of view is smaller (meaning there’s less for the human to keep track of) and it has touch controls so at least that’s a silver lining for 800 point mission

[thin prairie]

Yea hard difficulty can feel unfair sometimes. But hey personally I enjoy the challenge

[austere willow]

i feel like the point of the thing is you look at the color of the tome and then wait for the symbol to be revealed and thats how you get the tomes

and like

sometimes the AI will literally be near them

but thats just... also whats gonna happen with "humans"

[flat pendant]

the colored ones is much easier then the last change that focuses on the picture alone

[thin prairie]

Last chance is really fun honestly

[austere willow]

but its not just colored ones

[solar harbor]

I found Last Chance pretty easy since there's a lot of margin for win

You could pick up a ton of Gold Tomes in one go

[austere willow]

like how it works is the color is shown first then the symbol and you just have to bet with luck which of those colored books ur gonna go near to

its annoying with AI because AI will also do this and they'll be "suddenly near" the book

its the strat

[thin prairie]

Magoland tip: when playing on the draw speak with a cartoon western accent the whole time
Trust me its funny

[austere willow]

who would i be talking to

[thin prairie]

*multiplayer magoland tip

[novel fog]

||heard someone point out that the gold stuff here is supposed to be like the Master Crown (in the large tree form of course), can sort of see it (with the gold part on 'wings' and all) lol, doesn't mean much but neat||

[covert jasper]

||iirc this design is also in the gem apple tree||

[novel fog]

||well, it has the gold part around tree itself, idk about stuff in that way though||

[leaden terrace]

||hehe that looks like marx's wings||

[novel fog]

||yeah it's not really as apparent there on Gem Apple trees||

[leaden terrace]

i dont think it means anything

[novel fog]

||of course, it just a neat little thing||

||they really liked to use gold everywhere lol||

||oh guess it is sort of like designs on the altar too||

[leaden terrace]

i mean it looks rly good, especially on the adrker colors

i love gold!

[novel fog]

yeah

they really used it everywhere lmao

||though what else could they have done with Master Crown and Gem Apples and all, those already had gold lol||

[leaden terrace]

||cover them in more gold||

[novel fog]

||I mean that's what they basically did lol (for Gem Apple-related stuff at least)||

[lime acorn]

"Magolor Toe Crackers" got me lmao

Who wants some crackers of Magolor's to- wait

[novel fog]

||wait is there Lor text on the gears here too? why is the Lor text and gears with the areas and bosses never explained lol||

[tawdry mulch]

they should let you bring the cracklers and bombs to the minigames

[rose dome]

toe crackers

[lime acorn]

||Kind of disappointed there isn't multiple series of inputs on the final attack on the final boss of Magolor Epilogue. Look at Star Allies and Forgotten Land, there's several quick time event sequence when you're performing the final attack on the final boss, but Magolor Epilogue just has the single one. Totally definitely not me making this because you can only hear this epic fire af final attack music for like 1 millisecond||

[celest grove]

I do wish it was a bit longer

[faint galleon]

Funny ancients

[tawdry mulch]

||well seems pretty self explanatory. ancient structures have the same text as the ancient boat||

[novel fog]

||yeah but how do you explain for the bosses lol||

[granite cedar]

yeah

bosses probably "||mutated due to eating stuff ancients left behind lol||

would fit with fiery puffer

[novel fog]

||like if it was just area stuff like this, I could see that, bosses are where stuff gets weird||

||well they're just said to be from 'drifting elements' basically||

[granite cedar]

with electricky dooter he probably just took what was left behind instead of eating it ig

[flat pendant]

||I really hoped that magolor epilogue finisher would have had couple more button smash phases like other finishers. Like it would have been cool to slice the tree piece by piece before the final blow||

[granite cedar]

[leaden terrace]

||we going metal gear rising on that bitch||

[lime acorn]

||There's Planet Robobot too, there's a series of drilling to pierce the heavens twisting the joystick to defeat the final boss. You can listen to the epic ass music longer than Magolor Epilogue does||

[lime acorn]

||LMFAOOOOOO||

[novel fog]

||like Hydriath is said to be from ただよう 水と氷のエレメント (basically 'drifting/floating elements of water and ice'), like bruh how does that make you the cool gears and crown and stuff||

||how||

||don't even think stuff on his crown are Lor letters, wtf even is that||

[tawdry mulch]

||i theorize that the bosses being elemental is related to Clash's elemental boss gimmick since theyre Pop Star bosses that are you know elemental. As for why they have gears and shit probably cause they needed to adapt to the environment so they equipped themselves with that shit||

[novel fog]

||but how does Puffer have Lor symbols||

[leaden terrace]

wait till they turn out to be all gibberish

[tawdry mulch]

i too would equip myself with magical gears tbh

[novel fog]

||and the gear and Lor symbols on him aren't even 'equipped', they're just part of him||

[tawdry mulch]

extreme flaming tatoos

[vapid kestrel]

Wait true lol wtf

[paper herald]

||who are the bosses even like. working for. the doomers?? the master crown??? it mention’s they’re underlings but what else is trying to get the apple||

[leaden terrace]

idk if the desc is serious on that lol

||we know the grand doomer is the boss of the doomers, but as for the other bosses i think they just happen to have the pieces like in the base story||

[tawdry mulch]

||grand doomer with the crown||

[leaden terrace]

||but the boss thing does help build up to grand doomer and eventually master crown (whos not the boss lol)||

[rose dome]

aquaman

[novel fog]

||I mean the gear part still seems physical, just not 'equipped' like that lol||

[tawdry mulch]

that is not a tatoo also brass bib

[novel fog]

||well, they mention having boss too||

||or well, 主 ('master') for Puffer and Hydriath||

[granite cedar]

hmmm maybe we're looking at this the wrong way

[novel fog]

||and Dooter is 支配下にあり ('under domination') of someone||

maybe

[granite cedar]

what if ||ancients have so much prominent gear imagery because they were inspired by these creatures||

[tawdry mulch]

||Halcandra's remains having Pop Star bosses that are also elemental like SKC is sussy sussy what is Clash doing||

[novel fog]

||I wonder if they could have met stuff like this, but still seems weird||

[leaden terrace]

most likely

||it would make the gears so much more significant||

||and consequently doomers too||

[granite cedar]

yup

[leaden terrace]

and itd make sense cus, we've always based our technology based off the environment around us including animals

so like, yeah

[tawdry mulch]

||fiery puffer with lor text on it is the killer of all things cause thats what makes me think theyre based off of ancients junk and not the other way around||

[novel fog]

||yeah, like they definitely could've based stuff on that but it would be weird||

||btw is there anything the Lor text is used on besides Lor stuff itself and Epilogue?||

[tawdry mulch]

||magoland||

||kumazaki calling magolors language magolorese just makes me think that he just stole and renamed this defunct language||

[celest grove]

||my opinion is that Magolor's voice is cute af||

[main fractal]

Sad Magolor voice is cute

[flat pendant]

I feel like his laugh sounds different then what i remember from past games

[celest grove]

Ando's greatest voice

[leaden terrace]

that singular clip of ando doing the higher pitch tone

[main fractal]

Magolor Laugh is adorable

[tawdry mulch]

||idk if this means anything but the fact that Landia in clash just has the same master crown despite them making a different mirror as opposed to a parallel mirror is sussy to me. Especially cause rtdx changed Landia ex's crown to match the clash version||

||it would be so raw if theyre the same Landia||

[rose dome]

all of magolor's voicelines are adorable

[main fractal]

True

Not too keen on the mask ones

His voice doesn't have the right editing there to sound like him

[marble jungle]

What kind of boss subtitles are you gonna give the bosses in this game, since it's a remake lacking a catchy descriptor for those baddies as seen in Star Allies, Fighters 2 and Forgotten Land
I'm sure it's gonna be a delightful wacky combination like "Folia Fighter - Whispy Woods" to "Burning Snow Beast - Goriath" to ||"Parasite of Apocalypse - Master Crown" or "... - Magolor Soul"||

[flat pendant]

Crackpot theory time!
||What if Landia was the "animal buddy" for the 4 heroes? This is just my current personal theory because we now know that Landia's track is now called "Guardian Angel: Landia" which could imply some kind of connection to Galacta Knight as he also uses that same track and is "Angel" themed Knight who was a hero long time ago. So Landia could have been given the Crown by the 4 heroes after the fall of Halcandra to keep it from getting to anyone's hands as it with the 4 dragons together they could able to keep the crowns power at pay and stop the powerful artifact from causing anymore damage.

Bonus: There is also the change where the Landia track gets replaced with "Stage of the Partners Who Shook the Heavens" during Galacta Knight fight which could imply that Masks of Dark Bonds could have some sort of connection with him and could have been the original masks of other 2 heroes of Heroes of Yore. Not only are they masks based around close bonds and friendship, but also have the same space related theme as Galacta Knight with them being based on the moon compared to Galacta Knight's "galaxy" theme.||

[novel fog]

||well most of them already basically have boss subtitles in JP version (as well as Korean and Chinese) lol||

[leaden terrace]

Yesssss THIS SOUNDS SO GOOD

i can even take it as my headcanon if i want to

||I love the idea that there might be a theme of bonding within the 4 Heroes of Yore, which was why they wielded the heart spears||

||Which is why I thought maybe Galacta Knight (or just all of them really) have powers of positive energy/love/friendship, as hinted by Morpho||

[novel fog]

||like Whispy's is same as Star Allies's, Hydriath's is 異空の海獣 (basically 'Sea Mammal/Beast of Another Sky'), etc.||

[vast basin]

[leaden terrace]

OH GOD

[flat pendant]

||We still don't have any leads or theories who the 4th member of "Heroes of Yore" could be. But i really want him to be based on the Sun and Nature because if we go by the idea that the 4 Heroes basically were like the counterparts the 4 heroes today (Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight and Bandana Dee) It would be fitting for the last member being similar to Bandana Dee as he seems to have association with nature because of his love of apples and being a Waddle Dee which are like the most natural life form on Dream Land.||

||(Also it should be super funny if we finally get a real Waddle Dee fight after all these years)||

[thin forge]

||galacta dee||

[timid storm]

Who are the first 3 heroes

[feral dust]

magolor does gaming, it is a secret mode, sorry for the spoiler

[leaden terrace]

wtf

ban!!!