[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[tawdry mulch]

||So are we going to talk about how the Clash World takes place in the distant past and there is a stage in it called the Decisive Battlefield that shows Castle Town's ruins in flames in AD(which is first seen against Landia EX who has the Master Crown). After we saw Halcandra's past in flames as shown by the Master Crown, and the ruins are also in AD||

[thin prairie]

forgor

[main fractal]

I never played a persona game

[coarse scaffold]

IM TELLING YOU MAN ITS WHISPY WOODS

[tawdry mulch]

cause that seems mad suspicious

[maiden swan]

||Teabag||

[coarse scaffold]

i played base persona 5 and most of persona 5 royal but never beat it unfortunately

i still have yet to challenge the final boss

[coarse scaffold]

💀

[thin prairie]

im going to mago soul with my health in the red and no healing items

shit

[maiden swan]

As God (sakurai) intended

[lost frost]

||You’d think that sets up a phase 2 or something but no, just kinda lame||

[thin prairie]

i need to be hyper defensive here

[coarse scaffold]

just use hammer

[thin prairie]

oh 2 lasers

i died already

on the first attack

[lost frost]

Live Rampaging Vlobsters reaction

[coarse scaffold]

[vocal latch]

||And True Arena Magolor Soul battlefield looks kind-of similar to concept arts to the Decisive Battlefield made for Super Kirby Clash...||

[thin prairie]

my only reaction is disappointment and really wanting ti drink the pain away

not with alcohol but coke

[floral mantle]

You know that video that says Dedede should be evil again in the next Kirby game?

[thin prairie]

coca cola not drugs

[tawdry mulch]

||Clash and Halcandra looking kinda ermmmmm similar if you ask me||

[coarse scaffold]

[lost frost]

||Oh is true arena canon now or no?||

[coarse scaffold]

drink like RC cola

[lost frost]

Nope

[thin prairie]

no

[junior fiber]

and this means??

[coarse scaffold]

its sweeter

[lost frost]

Link?

[supple linden]

i never ||thought a tree boss in a kirby game could be so difficult||

[thin prairie]

idk what that is

[coarse scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-nightmare-in-dreamland-whispy-gif-26004291

[thin prairie]

ive never seen it in stores

[vocal latch]

Kumazaki's cooking

[junior fiber]

i NEED to know what he's cooking

[coarse scaffold]

we literally have it stocked at my house 😭 its bomb tho

[junior fiber]

he's been cooking for like over 10 years

[vocal latch]

Hey Ampether did you see what I posted earlier regarding to Metal General btw

[floral mantle]

So there was someone who made a video on why Dedede should be evil again. I realized something... ||With the Kirby Multiverse, it can be the case for a game set in a different universe.|| Just a thought

[thin prairie]

maybe its just not sold in sweden

[lost frost]

||Shadow Kirby game, ship it ||

[tawdry mulch]

even more curious. the new bosses are ||Pop Star ones but with ermmm... clash's elemental twist. But ermm.... this is halcandra.... ermmm... why are pop star guys here ermmm..... unless...||

[junior fiber]

||unless what?? (i'm too lazy to connect your dots)||

[lost frost]

Are you able to link it? sounds like a interesting watch

[junior fiber]

i dont agree with the video but here you go https://youtu.be/gAOV69sVTkQ

[maiden forum]

was it actually

or was it just clickbait

[tawdry mulch]

||Clash actually takes place in Halcandras distant past 😳 ||

[floral mantle]

I mean, now with the ||Kirby Multiverse, they can make a game where he's still evil but have it take place in a different timeline/dimension?||

[junior fiber]

the title and thumbnail are probably just to bring in some viewers but the video itself is actually opinionated

[vocal latch]

HYNESS (KIRBY STAR ALLIES)
かつてともであったヤツらはわれらいちゃくのチカラにおそれたのか、いちぞくをみなことごとくふういんしぎんがのはてへとおいやった！それでもあきたらずかこのれきしからそのそんざいさえいっぺんものこさずけしさろうとしたぁ！われらのまりょくがあってこそ、ヤツらのかがくとゆうわすることでなしえたいだいなはんえい！
They who were once our friends, perhaps fearing the power of our clan, sealed the entirety of our clan and drove us off to the ends of the galaxy! But still not satisfied, they also tried to completely erase even the scraps of our existence from history! Only harmonized with our magic can their science achieve great prosperity!

Kumazaki: Hyness's tribe was already on the verge of collapse, and he worried that he couldn't continue its existence. It's likely that it had previously had various conflicts. As Hyness's own Jambandra Base, and the stronghold planets of his so-called enemies were falling into ruin, Hyness believed that a god could give him a new country of peace.
SOURCE: Nintendo DREAM, June 2018 issue

METAL GENERAL SPECIAL PAGE (KIRBY'S RETURN TO DREAM LAND DELUXE)
Long ago, the soulless battle robot
Metal General would be dispatched by
its master to visit other planets and
exterminate their foes.

[junior fiber]

and i dont think its a troll because this guy makes other pretty good videos about kirby

[vocal latch]

I think Metal General was used in the conflict against the Jambastions

[floral mantle]

Are you suggesting that Metal General was sent to wipe out Hyness's civilization?

[vocal latch]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[brave crag]

Question: Am I just late or did you guys not know this either? ||https://twitter.com/Typman2000/status/1631024340442423296|| (Epilogue secret spoilers)

[vocal latch]

Until they "fell into ruin"

👀

[junior fiber]

metal general raditz

[tawdry mulch]

time to peep

[floral mantle]

it's the ||Epilogue HAL room, right?||

[glossy jay]

Maybe the "science" ancients made Metal General

[vocal latch]

I sent the thing heheh

[glossy jay]

Like the same ones who made Forgo

[brave crag]

||It's that room, but that's not what I'm pointing out.||

[floral mantle]

What if the travelers of Forgotten Land ||went to Halcandra?||

[junior fiber]

god i NEED to know what this is

[floral mantle]

the ||860 points at the end, right?||

[brave crag]

Yes.

[tawdry mulch]

oh shit thats interesting

[junior fiber]

||shows hellstorm raining down on halcandra and doesn't elaborate further||

[vocal latch]

yep.

I'm pretty confident they're alluding to that tbh

[floral mantle]

I wonder if ||Halcandra is colonized by the Forgotten Land residence?||

[vocal latch]

||I assume the hellstorm itself is from Haldera Volcano erupting lmao||

[glossy jay]

Halacandra tech seems more primitive than Lab Discovera tho

[junior fiber]

||hope its more interesting but it could be that||

[vocal latch]

||Well at least the stuff that's falling down sure looks like a eruption lol||

[floral mantle]

I mean, ||It is in ruins for a while, isn't it? We never see it in its prime days except that one scene in Epilogue?||

[junior fiber]

looks pretty futuristic

[tawdry mulch]

||im super interested in the potential of clash now so hopefully they actually flesh out the world in the next entry. which honestly i assume to be the next game. maybe even this year given how this series has been handling releases||

[floral mantle]

Imagine the next game they add more classes, characters, and stuffs

[tawdry mulch]

||clash's only real problem now is itself lmfao. everything around it has now made it cool ||

[floral mantle]

Maybe remove the Stamina system as well?

[junior fiber]

what if they plugged something at the top of the halcandra volcano like this too

[tawdry mulch]

be in the FL engine or i will riot

at least make the classes more deep or add more lol

[vocal latch]

"halcandra volcano" ITS NAME IS HALDERA VOLCANOOOOOOOOOOOO

[junior fiber]

GAHH I DIDNT KNOW

[floral mantle]

What if they add new characters into the roster?

[junior fiber]

but yeah a new clash game (hopefully 3D) would be pretty cool ngl

remove the transactions and. make it an actual game though.

[floral mantle]

Imagine the next Clash game remove Stamina system, add more classes, weapons, and items. There's also a Story Mode and a Boss Rush Mode, with new characters that can be unlocked by progressing into the Story mode.

[junior fiber]

yeah this

sounds pretty perfect

[glossy jay]

A Kirby fighters game but it's like smash and has a story mode too

[tawdry mulch]

they can keep the transactions if the game is good enough for me to want to support it

[vocal latch]

I still like Klu's idea of Magologue's combo & Magic Point system being utilized for new Clash

[junior fiber]

i'd have fun just running around a 3D world and finding bosses to fight with friends though

[tawdry mulch]

with more than just excess gold points like skc

[glossy jay]

I'd love this

[tawdry mulch]

3d clash is the dream

[vocal latch]

My main dream for next Clash is INTERACT WITH MORE CHARACTERS

[tawdry mulch]

never MUAAHAHAHAHA

[vocal latch]

I'd be fine if Castle Village became a 3D Hub tbh

[floral mantle]

I want playable Bandana Dee in clash

[tawdry mulch]

cameos for all eternity

[junior fiber]

finding characters in the big 3D world too

[glossy jay]

Tbh I want a game set in Dreamland in 3d where we get to explore the setpieces of the world, like the Halberd, Dedede Castle, Dreamstalk, Kirby's house, etc

[vocal latch]

OH one thing I really want for new Clash

[junior fiber]

some could give missions and go to the hub town after you complete them

[cold pawn]

What would his armors be like??

[vocal latch]

and I know it's stupid

[floral mantle]

Different Bandanas, or better hat

Imagine Bandana Dee with Golden Bandana

[tawdry mulch]

i think something very interesting ||is that they mentioned the Crown having previous wearers, implied HR-D3 is some Dedede's robot through the usage of Roar of Dedede, and Dedede (despite clearly being the king of the dream kingdom) is never mentioned in game and never seen.||

||perhaps theyre saving him for a new clash as a follow up to this game||

[junior fiber]

yeah the ||multiple wearers|| thing was really cool

i wanna see some of them 👉 👈

[cold pawn]

A clash 3 would have even higher weapon/armor tiers compared to 15 SDX

[floral mantle]

so... ||Clash Dedede is corrupted by the crown?||

[vocal latch]

bring the Nova password concept back

[floral mantle]

Even better, other weapons as well

[tawdry mulch]

||Perhaps he takes it from Landia maybe||

[cold pawn]

Other classes, huh

[tawdry mulch]

||since Landia still has it||

[junior fiber]

oh what i just remembered regular dedede isnt in clash

[tawdry mulch]

HR-D3 looking mad sus now ermmmm

[lilac arch]

||not sure about the chances of us seeing a new clash game, for all we know they just wanted to have the epilogue connect to it somehow and that's it||

[tawdry mulch]

yeah hes just not there despite it being the dream KINGDOM

[cold pawn]

That was always so weird

[tawdry mulch]

very sussy ermmm

[vocal latch]

||HR-D3 does travel "dimensions and parallels" in JP lore, Clash is a parallel world||

[cold pawn]

I expected Dedede to cameo at least in SKC

Yes there's King D Mind, but what about the actual Dedede

[floral mantle]

Imagine Archer Class, Spear user class, and maybe a Magic Class that isn't Beam?

[vocal latch]

SERIOUSLY THIS IS PERFECT PASSWORD SYSTEM

||If they do make that, Ampether's theory has more evidence lmao||

[tawdry mulch]

||my crazy out of nowhere prediction is, new clash comes out, one of the last stages is Metropolis or something that is Egg Engine's functional city, Dedede uses HR-D3 in the Ordeal battle, returns crowned in a different arena||

[cold pawn]

What about Cutter, its weapons could be even more creative!

[floral mantle]

Cutter class? That'll be cool. You can use it as a range attack, but you can have it stay in place for more damage.

And it can also be a melee weapon in addition to that

[cold pawn]

Do you guys expect anything Kirby related other than RTDX in 2023? Like a smaller e-shop title

[tawdry mulch]

clash tbh

[junior fiber]

something in november

[cold pawn]

2 clash titles in switch would be weird though

[tawdry mulch]

rtdx is so early in the year, cant imagine they have nothing else

[junior fiber]

perhaps a more ambitious spin off

[floral mantle]

If anything, probably a Clash 3

Or Merry Magoparty lol

[junior fiber]

prime time for kirby RPG ngl

[tawdry mulch]

splatoon

[floral mantle]

Imagine Merry Magoland Deluxe

Or Merry Mago Party lol

[thin prairie]

Would not mind Dedede's Drum Dash Ultra Deluxe

[cold pawn]

Well Forgotten Land only had 1 e-Shop game (Dream Buffet), it's time for the second one to come out (and no, RTDX doesn't count since it's a full game)

[tawdry mulch]

could be anything since noone and their mother would have guessed Dream Buffet

[junior fiber]

kirby party game that has every sub game sounds like a great idea

[cold pawn]

This I could expect! How much insane would it be??

[junior fiber]

Dedede's Drum Dash Maker

[tawdry mulch]

clash deluxe wont even be purchasable after this month lmao

[junior fiber]

import your own songs and make your own levels

[vocal latch]

||Crownededede||

[junior fiber]

wont go wrong

[tawdry mulch]

perfect timing to release new one later this year

[floral mantle]

like Geo-Dash?

[tawdry mulch]

REAL

[junior fiber]

sure yeah

[floral mantle]

explains why Dedede in the anime is so evil /j

[vocal latch]

||if you think about it King D-Mind's Revenge is kinda like Magolor Soul in the sense that their color swap has gold replaced with silver ||

[junior fiber]

what if they started a whole side series about dedede with music gimmicks

[floral mantle]

Dedede Rhythm Heaven?

[vocal latch]

me when they announce "Magolor's Crazy Theme Park Adventures" and it's literally just porting all 3DS eShop games & New Challenge Stages lmfao

[junior fiber]

money printer

[floral mantle]

and make it like Mario Party as well?

[vocal latch]

what if New Challenge Stages or Drum Dash remaster retcons Manager Magolor into them

[floral mantle]

what if the next Kirby Spin off is a Kirby Hack n' Slash

[junior fiber]

magolor meeting manager magolor would be strange

[maiden swan]

I’ve been wanting Kirby Warriors for the longest

[vocal latch]

Whatever they do I just want Password Nova

[junior fiber]

ready

[ruby plaza]

I just know Magolor didn't hit me with the Lor Starcutter

[coarse scaffold]

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A CAPSULE MACHINE

[coarse scaffold]

💀

[glossy jay]

[ruby plaza]

[coarse scaffold]

marx

[coarse scaffold]

[junior fiber]

where's magolor keeping his mini Lor collectible figure though

[coarse scaffold]

pocket dimension

[thin prairie]

i dont want to try true arena again

im gonna play DL1 on NSO instead

[floral mantle]

you beat it?

[thin prairie]

no

i died on mago soul first attack

[floral mantle]

oh

[craggy sable]

Gotta be honest I'm super glad I can cheat in the true arena

[floral mantle]

Apparently it's kinda similar to Unfair Magolor Soul...

[floral mantle]

you mean Souvenir Items?

[craggy sable]

Yeah

The only time I was able to complete this mode without using a souvenir at all was with Dedede

Of course that was my 4th run but still

[floral mantle]

That's because Dedede is a super star warrior.

[craggy sable]

Also because his high jump attack is broken

Magolor Soul's Portal Dash Attack seems intimidating at first,

But with this one move, if timed just right you can constantly hit him every time he does this attack

[ruby plaza]

At the end of each level how are you supposed to get to the 1 level, i've never been able to

[craggy sable]

Elaborate

[floral mantle]

you mean Goal Game?

[ruby plaza]

Yes

[craggy sable]

Just as the sling-pad is about to hit the bottom, you press A

You know you'll get first place if it flashes purple/pink

[floral mantle]

Does the 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 work?

[ruby plaza]

I've been timing it poorly then 💀

[ruby plaza]

?

[floral mantle]

Basically the 30 one ups

[craggy sable]

Previous Kirby games have a hidden 1-UP bonus

[ruby plaza]

[craggy sable]

Context: You need to land on level 7 to 1 in that order in every goal game to get the funny easter egg and bonus lives

[ruby plaza]

Oooo

[craggy sable]

But lemme see if that's still there... (I'm not doing that myself that's nuts)

[ruby plaza]

Is it difficult?

[craggy sable]

Probably

[floral mantle]

I saw someone did it in the demo...

maybe it's still there

[ruby plaza]

There's no videos on it that i can find

[craggy sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXeh2i7CtE&ab_channel=avengah

If it's in the original then it's in the remake

Oh wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnwlIsf9r4M&ab_channel=SaCkBoYjR07

[ruby plaza]

It's so green

[craggy sable]

However, previous kirby games would've also changed the jingle to celebrate this achievement...

[lofty viper]

did they remove the graphic effect where the whole screen distorts when mago soul does its black hole?

[fleet ocean]

i just realized

||what if the elemental bosses in skc are the same as the elemental bosses in magolor epilogue??||

[thin prairie]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/marx-2219-kirby-meme-hello-gif-22915208

[lost briar]

https://tenor.com/view/king-dedede-king-d-mind-taranza-shut-the-fuck-up-team-kirby-clash-gif-25401415

[junior fiber]

cant post this anywhere but here for now lmao

[maiden swan]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-morpho-knight-kirby-star-allies-kirby-butterfly-gif-24592453

[fleet prism]

a fine addition to the epilogue gif collection

[queen rune]

What if in a new kirby game, the big "final attack" sequence is just him boxing the final boss with his stubby hands

[lost briar]

it probably means they made a gimmick for that game around Kirby beating up enemies with his stubby hands

[junior fiber]

would like to see that

[vale river]

did dragonkitty predict ||crowned doomer||

#canvas-curse message

[thin prairie]

DragonKitty#9484 - #canvas-curse

Guys no way

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Quoted by LeoUnlimited#8491 • [413817362664652831] · Nov 15, 2022, 3:44 PM

[junior fiber]

wtf real

[floral mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-magolor-epilogue-kirby-adventure-wii-gif-27554404

Remember all the Epilogue Gifs?

[junior fiber]

this when the insanity peaked

i'll never forget february 12th

[vocal latch]

Nothing happened on r/Kirby February 12th

[rustic trellis]

Specifically in #1019293243944476672

[odd rover]

BLAZING! BOSS BATTLE ‼️

Hey do we know where the elemental bosses came from?

[regal elm]

feb 12th = pain, but the good kind

[glossy jay]

Is that when the game leaked

[floral mantle]

Too bad they remove that sticker

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-hydroath-happy-valentines-day-valentines-day-dooter-gif-27558136

[floral mantle]

the game actually never leaked...

[dreamy canyon]

haha woo embed failure

[glossy jay]

What's Feb 12 then

[junior fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920498813150593034/1074457603947630633/caption.gif

[dreamy canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-magolor-epilogue-kirby-adventure-wii-gif-27555129

[floral mantle]

basically, a certain sticker happen

[thin forge]

https://tenor.com/view/void-termina-kirby-ohio-final-boss-darkness-death-gif-27439965

hello chat

[floral mantle]

There was a sticker... that was remove, but I got a gif that shows it

[glossy jay]

Based

[ruby narwhal]

Here’s a repost of a meme made from the “February 12th incident”

[main fractal]

Something I only just appreciated now about Magolor

Despite the whole Master Crown funny incident I appreciate how ||truly his real aim which he gets eventually is something fairly humble like an amusement park, a grand one but certainly more humble than universal domination||

[clever hull]

||If I had a nickel for every video game character I knew whose ambitions fluctuate between theme park and world domination||

[main fractal]

There's a key difference between them

||Eggman used slavery because he's a loser, Magolor used his sheer power and intelligence and the real super power of teamwork||

[thin forge]

||bro literally just let us do the hard work||

[main fractal]

Suffice to say this is my favourite Kirby

[floral mantle]

Not if you turn on Helper Magolor...

[clever hull]

What game is ||"Stage of Partners who Shook the Heavens"|| from?

I'm assuming ||KF2||

[fleet prism]

Kirby Fighters 2

Yes

[clever hull]

Ah

[cursive sandal]

the epilogue, basically

[thin forge]

purgatory tbh

unless some of the stages are actual torture, i havent played the whole thing yet

[lost briar]

its not very hard

i had to try to actually die

[junior fiber]

i have a skill issue

[main fractal]

The real challenge is trying for platinum

Mostly only a challenge for bosses but still

[solar harbor]

Magolor is Jesus Christ, fighting against his elemental sins

[junior fiber]

funny how kirby is jesus according to that one theory

i dont even know if you can call it a theory

[main fractal]

Yeah it's fact

||The sin of drinking water, lighting a fire and electricity||

[cursive sandal]

the third boss

[fleet prism]

it's a fact

[hasty yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6U0PxMaBkA Dedede true arena Speedrun.

[junior fiber]

11 minutes

[main fractal]

There is something this remake stole from us

||Magolor isn't referred to as a liar and a wizard anymore||

😔

Also they really stole the uselessness of guarding from us! Truly saddening that It's put to an actual convenient button this time around

[solar harbor]

Also it removed mentions of ||The Lor Starcutter being guarded by Landia||

[main fractal]

Really?

[solar harbor]

So make of that you will

[main fractal]

Sad

[solar harbor]

But, Magolor did ||learn about the Lor's existence from a mysterious tome, assuming it's some sick legend|| so that's new lore in exchange of old lore

[supple scaffold]

No upgrade Magologue makes me appreciate it a lot more

[faint galleon]

Dedede is so broken it's hilarious

[vocal latch]

||feel like that book is where he also got the other legendary items' lore (Star Rods, Nova, Master Crown) from ofc||

[vocal latch]

||He still excavated it from the Volcano where Landia dwells so||

[main fractal]

||How is the lor not a char grilled starcutter?||

[covert oriole]

||AAAAAAAAAA-||

[solar harbor]

|| ||

[junior fiber]

||magolor immediately rushing to make a sectonia mask after taranza tells him about his sad backstory ||

[main fractal]

||She's alive wdym||

[solar harbor]

||"Great idea! Here's a mask I made of her to celebrate the occasion" ||

[main fractal]

||So sorry about your dad my friend, here's a mask in his memory||

[solar harbor]

||MAGOLOR, COME ON||

[leaden terrace]

||why are you guys upset I even made a mask of me when I was at the lowest point possible where it felt like I could collapse every time||

||you should feel PROUD of yourself for pulling through these ordeals

"You called her 'old friend'..."||

[maiden swan]

||“Yeah, and?”||

[odd rover]

What theory

[cursive sandal]

magolor but he befriends a doomer during the events of the epilogue

[maiden swan]

Pet bird

[maiden crane]

it was a discussion here a few days ago

something like ||If magolor is judas, then Kirby is jesus, and the dream friends would be his disciples||

[vale river]

Just saw the name of the penultimate final boss theme of ME

||Another Domination being like a stretched out pronunciation of Another Dimension is pure lyrical genius||

[leaden terrace]

Yeah

SUCH A GOOD SONG BTW

I'm not usually the biggest fan of like techno music at least not nowadays but this... GodDAMN

[vale river]

Me vibing to a song and going to check the composer

Dangit I can't like this anymore it's by Shimooka

[leaden terrace]

Actually what am I saying I still listen to thefatrat

[vale river]

So true

Unity gang

Also to be clear I'm just a snob for humor Shimooka is great

[lost briar]

its... not?

unless its a different song than ||another domination||

[vale river]

Huh. It's an outside of HAL composition

I was checking this chart earlier and thought I saw shimooka

[faint glen]

i think its one of the ones they got for skc

because it really sounds like it

[vale river]

Agreed

Based Ando doing all four area themes AND final boss theme

Ishikawa did relatively little this time around which is strange

I hope he shows up more soon

[lost briar]

its incredible how there are very little non-remixes among the new tracks

[vale river]

I'm sure Ando was thrilled to remix RtDL songs outright

[leaden terrace]

WHAT it's Non Hal????

[faint glen]

||also another domination, not only referring to AD obviously but also again, like welcome your new overlord, relating to conquering because doomer is now the crowned one (even though theres no crown on it i never got that)||

[leaden terrace]

It's WAY too good man

Omg

Ike

[faint glen]

||and "another" domination because magolor did first and we know now as well as many before him lol||

[leaden terrace]

I can't stop loving Grand doomers theme in the first place

||SO THIS DORSNT HELP||

[vale river]

Bars bars bars

[lost briar]

personally i was disappointed with how in typical Kazemoto style it spends most of the track doing this thing where it puts weird beat filler in between the arrangement parts

[leaden terrace]

Idk I never rly see that

[vale river]

I usually dislike that and thought I didn't like it at all but then Pizza Tower showed me that if you put something interesting in the middle it's actually really nice as playing AND listening music

[lost briar]

well in this case the filler is at the beginning of the song

[vale river]

But I don't really like this one 🤷‍♂️ depends on how it's done

[leaden terrace]

WHAT that's my fave part 😭

[vale river]

I have high standards for Kirby music and usually only Ando meets them so I'm not fun to converse with lol

[leaden terrace]

I mean I like SKC music so I think you get my standards here

[worldly burrow]

what the fuck

[lost briar]

idk it was something that really bothered me in his arrangements of Castle Lololo and Dyna Blade's Nest in KF2 so maybe i'm probably just not a fan of how it is as an arrangement moreso

[leaden terrace]

Now that I think of it mu standards in general are just extremely fucking low I only have like high standards when it comes to character writing and design

[vale river]

More remixes are more remixes

[leaden terrace]

Fortunately Kirby has that safe

[vale river]

When I'm done with a game the thing I do most is listen to the music

So like, having Ando remix one of my favorite RtDL songs of all time out of nowhere???? I'm gonna hold that as the golden standard

(A Stroll On The Ocean Floor)

[lost briar]

i do think its funny how like

Ishikawa did only like, two new songs and they're both ambience tracks

[vale river]

Oh I was wondering if I had somehow just missed that song before

It's horrifying

Hunted By The Beast if it hadn't spotted you yet:

[lost briar]

||INTERNAL STRUGGLE at least kinda has some music in it though its still mostly just instruments drifting in and out of ambience||

[leaden terrace]

being hunted by a starving beast looking for its daily feast

[vale river]

Of real life money

[lost briar]

the only other non-remixes are like

the magoland tour themes

[vale river]

Which are kind of generic sounding tracks that could have been from Dream Buffet

[lost briar]

kinda random but ok

[lean grotto]

fair enough

lmao

[leaden terrace]

Wow

Look at all of those heads

[vale river]

Also I absolutely love the chord progression in OTAPMHKW

[ruby narwhal]

me when I encounter Fecto forgo:

[leaden terrace]

You sure you didn't mash your keys

[vale river]

I definitely did not

Nope

That is an intentional set of letters yes

[lost briar]

OnwatoaPaiMyHeKnoWell

[leaden terrace]

I agree though

It's such a good song

[lost briar]

i was disappointed there was no True Arena remix of Road to Victory but this is the closest thing i've got

[vale river]

OUT OF ALL THE LANGUAGES🇰🇭🇦🇺🇦🇫🇨🇻🇬🇩🇬🇭🇮🇹🇮🇩🇲🇼🇲🇶🇲🇿 BRO CHOSE TO SPEAK NONSENSE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[leaden terrace]

HSDHRBDNBDNDD

[maiden swan]

Is this Halcandrese

[vale river]

BRO KNOWS SOMETHING WE DON'T 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 KEEP IT THAT WAY

But fr it's good

Then again, Ando

I do have to wonder why Ishikawa is making less and less

Besides just getting old

I hope it's not a burden for him

[lost briar]

Sakai is retiring soon, so

i mean i would say the reason we have Yuki Shimooka and Yuuta Ogawasara is basically to be their successors as well so hey

[vale river]

Don't leave us Ishikawa

Not until you give us a proper goodbye

[smoky adder]

i made that 😄

capcut moment

[ruby narwhal]

Nice, I have it saved because it’s just too good lmao

[maiden swan]

Another reason why Kirby fans are terrifying

[raven solstice]

||out of all the masks, i think my favorite is the Marx Soul one, the SFX are cool and the mask itself looks really great (i haven't goten every mask i just wanted tto put it here in case it counted as a spoiler)||

[odd rover]

Ain’t no way

[leaden terrace]

||I love the fact that you can wear a dark/meta knight mask as meta knight and it'd look like he's wearing 2 at the same time||

It's especially funnier when u look from the side

[lost briar]

oh yeah speaking of music ||Settling a Score|| reminds me a lot of The World to Win

[maiden swan]

||It looks like he’s wearing two at the same time because he is wearing two at the same time||

[lost briar]

like i hum some of the excerpts and it just sounds like world to win to me

[maiden swan]

||Which is what makes it funnier||

[junior fiber]

missed the music talk

[faint glen]

||Yeah it def has some of the world to win parts in it||

[leaden terrace]

Exactly and I love it

[odd rover]

I think that’s because ||part of the beginning of Welcome Your New Overlord sounds like that||

[leaden terrace]

Yeah that's how I see it

[maiden swan]

Bandana Waddle Dee wearing the ||Waddle Doo|| mask and being like “this feels familiar somehow”

[mint pumice]

Is there a reward or any kind of notification for ||getting all platinum on the epilogue||?

[glossy mortar]

hello spoilers chat

[leaden terrace]

Bello

[lost briar]

no

[mint pumice]

Yay

Then I won't do it lol

[mint pumice]

What about for upgrading all of Magolor's skills to the max?

[lost briar]

nope

you do get ||a special pause description|| but nothing else

[mint pumice]

What's it say?

[late root]

oh no

[maiden swan]

Do you think dedede has a panic attack seeing the ||forgo dedede mask||

[mint pumice]

What happened to the ||100% music that plays|| on the mode selection screen :(

[novel fog]

||did you complete the Jukebox?||

[broken rune]

very interesting implications of this title
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyFOkuj5F-k||

[junior fiber]

where's this play again

sounds like a puzzle room

[broken rune]

cave theme for raisin ruins

[junior fiber]

[novel fog]

||JP name is also 古代の人々のあとかた ('Trace of Ancient People')||

[broken rune]

||the ancients built their society off of spheres that infinitely float on sand geysers||

[junior fiber]

true innovation

[novel fog]

well it's more specifically in the pyramid https://youtu.be/_--1EFcdkQY?t=2958

[smoky adder]

||this artwork is so funny after epilouge||

[junior fiber]

||after ME everything clash related involving magolor is funny||

||after escaping purgatory he immediately begins making money||

[smoky adder]

||well i almost died anyway its time for capitalism||

[leaden terrace]

He's used to it

||I think he'd have more of a panic attack seeing nightmare mask.||

[smoky adder]

Taranza seeing the ||old friend|| mask

[leaden terrace]

Cus that seems to be the one he's most afraid of

[junior fiber]

||i'd like to see his in depth thoughts on his possessions||

[smoky adder]

i say more of that for the ||dark matters||

[leaden terrace]

He'd kinda freak out too for sure

But I feel like ||nightmare|| is the one that would make him go GAHH AHH AHHHH

Cus he thought he was alive

||Like you saw his face when he tried to stop Kirby from putting in the star rod back in adventure?|| He does NOT want it

[broken rune]

love this artstyle, still wondering who's behind it

[vapid kestrel]

Its fuhrmann

[shrewd turtle]

what the fuck

What the fuck???

[leaden terrace]

Oh yeah

We were all freaking out

Because everything connected for no reason

[shrewd turtle]

I…

I’m not even touching that

[leaden terrace]

Honestly it's better that way. You don't wanna know the extent of this

[junior fiber]

it gets complicated i havent looked into it all yet

[cursive sandal]

magolor is catboy judas

[leaden terrace]

Catboy Judas.

[pliant socket]

that was me btw ✋

hi

[junior fiber]

idk if this was intentional but i would not at all be surprised if it was

[cursive sandal]

blame tumblr

[junior fiber]

knowing kumazaki

[pliant socket]

I'll make that last supper dream friend art when im not BORED

[junior fiber]

lmao

[ocean mauve]

that is the most bizarre theory i've heard but i dig it

[pliant socket]

now that im done with pizza tower....i can do it 😈

[junior fiber]

be bored NOW

[pliant socket]

maybe tomorrow frytoes.......

maybe tomorrow....

[ocean mauve]

listening to pizza tower music right now.. what a cowinkydink

[cursive sandal]

wow how very rtdldx

[ocean mauve]

i mean did you not know that peppino appears as a gold statue in this game? gotta get 130 missions done though

[cursive sandal]

no way that's so cool how nintendo referenced a popular recent indie game like that

[pliant socket]

wow.....thats so retro

[faint glen]

this is what pizza tower would look like on the game boy color!

[leaden terrace]

Retro? Like retro studios, the developer of Metroid prime? Wow

[pliant socket]

so true

[junior fiber]

pizza tower in 2023

[crimson lodge]

ahem ahem... ||20 MORE!?||

(True Arena Spoilers)

[vapid kestrel]

A massive amount of trolling

[crimson lodge]

He's an evil goddamn genius.

Man... Kumazaki dropping arguably the hardest kirby challenge yet in what looked to be an innocent little remake was NOT something that was on my bucket list of 2023.

I am afraid of that guy's mind and power.

By the next 2 games, we'll probably have our first Kirby bullet hell!

[vapid kestrel]

Also quick question guys

Does HR-D3 only have its pause description in TA like in the original, or does it also have it in extra mode now

[heady relic]

it's in the original

[novel fog]

Extra Mode too iirc

[vapid kestrel]

I assume it has it in extra mode now since bosses don't just not have pause descs anymore

Ah alright nice

[novel fog]

okay yeah it's in EX Mode ||https://www.youtube.com/live/Sv2XD7EJFig?feature=share&t=6369||

[mint pumice]

I 100%d the game so I assumed I did

[novel fog]

||do you have all songs in it and have star on its icon||

[mint pumice]

No :((( how many are there

[novel fog]

songs? ||204|| but you should have most of them

if I had to guess, you'd probably be missing ones for ||secret Mid-Boss Tower paths||, ||HAL Rooms||, and/or ||completing every Magoland mission||

[mint pumice]

Hmmm the last song I have is ||204|| so I gotta check to see which ones are skipped

[craggy sable]

Man why must I actually have to hear the music ingame to unlock it in the Jukebox?

Like bro I did everything how am I missing stuff?!

[mint pumice]

I did ||magoland|| but didn't know there were songs for ||Hal rooms|| and the ||secret paths||.... There was one tower where I ||only did the secret path||

[novel fog]

||did you do Story or Extra's? do whichever secret path you didn't do, you should already have the song for normal paths||

[craggy sable]

Let's see what songs I have greyed out so far...

[novel fog]

well, its only for some songs
lot of them you get from just beating modes

[mint pumice]

I did the ||secret path for the epilogue|| but main for extra and story

[craggy sable]

I know one of them is for 100%ing the game

However, I still have ||199, 201-203|| greyed out

[novel fog]

||oh, so you have to do both main and extra's then||
||Epilogue's doesn't have a special song I think||

[novel fog]

||199 is for every Magoland mission, and 201-203 should just be for 100%||

[craggy sable]

You son of a-

No

NO I CAN'T DO THAT FIRST ONE

AUGH

MAGOLOR YOU PIECE OF EGG

[novel fog]

lmao

[mint pumice]

I'm missing ||189, 52, and 16||

[novel fog]

||16 is for HAL Room in Cookie Country Stage 4||, ||52 is for Story Mode Mid-Boss Tower Secret Path||, and ||189 is for HAL Room in Epilogue||

[mint pumice]

You're the best omg

[subtle kestrel]

So i beat ME with only Magolor Surge and bombs for combat

Only things i upgraded besides those two were levitation just cause fuck pits and trickery for combos

[lost briar]

yeah honestly Magic Spheres / Revolution Flame aren't all that useful in combat

ironically their best upgrade is the range

[subtle kestrel]

Agreed

Maxed mago surge is busted af

[maiden swan]

I spammed the upward sphere like mad

[mint pumice]

I did it! Got the ||secret menu music||, thanks so much for your help

[subtle kestrel]

BRO ROAR OF DEDEDE DURING PHASE 3 OF METAL GENERAL?

FUCKING WHAT

[vapid kestrel]

NO

NO

FUCK

FUCK

||妖岩獣||

I WAS SO FUCKING SURE

[subtle kestrel]

Huh?

[novel fog]

what is this used for lol

[vapid kestrel]

I WAS SO FUCKING SURE THERE WEREN'T ANY PUNS IN THIS GAME

||妖岩獣 is Fiery Puffer's title||

[novel fog]

oh are they doing puns again

[vapid kestrel]

||妖岩 is a pun on lava replacing the first character with the 妖 you character||

[subtle kestrel]

How is this a pun

[leaden terrace]

omfg

[vapid kestrel]

||妖 character meaning like bewitching, like in yousei (fairy) or youkai (monster)||

[leaden terrace]

OMG

HAHAHAHA

||溶岩 from lava also reads you, same as 妖 ||

i need to learn more japanese now

[vapid kestrel]

Omg wait 0th are you aware of like
How many puns there are in Kirby in general
Was that well known when you were around back then

[leaden terrace]

I dont even remember

[novel fog]

well, in Star Allies lmao

[vapid kestrel]

Yea like
SA is filled to the brim with puns

[leaden terrace]

OH YEAH RIGHT STAR ALLIES

[vapid kestrel]

Was Konton the only pun in FL or were there more

[novel fog]

hard to avoid a boss title with either a pun or something like a mythological reference lol

[leaden terrace]

doesnt morpho have a pun too

i think i read about it

[maiden swan]

Metamorphosis

Is the only one I know of

I know of a couple in robobot

Mecha Knight and Dedede Clones’ codenames are puns

[novel fog]

well that's just in the (English) name

[maiden swan]

Because you can say them as “naito” and “osama” respectively

[leaden terrace]

or maybe i was thinking galacta ?

[maiden swan]

Oh the JP name

I think it’s supposed to sound like a combination of ”butterfly” and “valkyrie”

[leaden terrace]

OH WAIT i think it was talked about here

[novel fog]

the 黄泉返るpart of 黄泉返る極蝶 is pronounced よみがえる yomigaeru and is pun on 蘇る or resurrect

[leaden terrace]

morpho's title being like a bit of a

YEAH

[vapid kestrel]

Morpho's title is kind of a pun ig
It's more like
Taking the word resurrect too seriously
Yomigaeru being the word for resurrect, and writing it literally as "Returning from Yomi (The Underworld)"
Since he's the knight from yomi

[leaden terrace]

THAT ONE

Omg i love that so much

[maiden swan]

You think they like puns a little too much

[vapid kestrel]

Morpho EX's boss title also reuses the Sairai pun from the mage sisters

[leaden terrace]

"Holy shit, the butterfly came back from Hell!"
"You mean the butterfly came back to life...?"
"The butterfly came back from fucking Hell!!!!"

[novel fog]

極蝶 part isn't really a pun but still combination of 極楽 Gokuraku (Sukhavati) and 蝶 Chou (Butterfly)

[vapid kestrel]

Where Sairai means to come back/return, but they replace the sai kanji with the one for disaster

[leaden terrace]

amazing

[faint glen]

||in a sense it contains two now||

[maiden swan]

||technically contained two since Star Allies yeah||

[leaden terrace]

||actually i thoughtu meant something else, was this referring to galacta knight||

[broken rune]

that tree must be pretty strong

[faint glen]

||i assume it means morpho||

[maiden swan]

||I meant Kirby was already destructive and feared before Star Allies, where morpho came along||

[vapid kestrel]

Fuck me fuck me fuck me ||Electricky's title is also a pun isn't it||

[leaden terrace]

oh god

oh god

[broken rune]

tricky

[faint glen]

||elec tricky||

[broken rune]

[faint glen]

||yes and i hate it lmao||

[novel fog]

maybe, idk exactly for what though

[broken rune]

||magic trick||

[novel fog]

I mean the title

[thin forge]

guys i just realized something

[broken rune]

what's the title

[vapid kestrel]

||伝道師 dendoushi where 伝導 dendou means conductivity and 道師 doushi means like. a guru or monk or priest or some shit||

[thin forge]

in the ending cutscene for beating the story mode... everyones favorite orange butterfly lands on dedede

[novel fog]

oh, nice

[vapid kestrel]

||Just reading it as 伝 den and 道師 doushi doesn't make sense b/c 伝 alone means legend||

[maiden swan]

||Morphat Knight||

[thin forge]

MORPHO WAS GON' KILL HIM

[broken rune]

technically it lands on the flower

[leaden terrace]

3 in fucking 1????

[vapid kestrel]

||Wait no am I stupid

||Wait it's 電導師||

[novel fog]

yeah

[vapid kestrel]

||Ok hmmm well maybe it's still a pun
But maybe not||

[thin forge]

MORPHO WAS GON' KILL THAT FLOWER

[novel fog]

||I mean, I would assume it is if Fiery Puffer's is||

[thin forge]

or maybe he pollinates or something

[vapid kestrel]

I dunno it's 1am I'll look back and decide if this is stupid or not

[broken rune]

why is he such a debbie doubter

[vapid kestrel]

Oh I also translated this earlier

When the funny description cloned between GK and HR-D3

[novel fog]

||why did you translate parallel as parallel worlds?||

[broken rune]

||HR-D3 is the second hero of yore||

[novel fog]

||and not just parallels?||

||when officially it is parallels in English too, and the original JP does not have world||

[vapid kestrel]

I just see it as one of those words like Metal General being セキュリティ 'security' which I translated as security guard

[novel fog]

||eh, still think parallel is better, world in translation of description itself gives wrong impression of what it says||

[vocal latch]

||How so?||

[vapid kestrel]

Another example would be the way PR uses リニューアル Renewal in a way that doesn't really work in English

[novel fog]

||makes it seem like it says パラレルワールド, and 'parallel' is how it has been translated elsewhere anyway||

||so I think it would be better to make it clear that the parallel in the credits song, the Clash-related interview, and here are the exact same term||

[vapid kestrel]

Yes but the problem is that's
Not English

If you say "He travelled many parallels" that's not an actual english sentence

That's just a bunch of words

[broken rune]

yeah i was wondering what that meant

[vapid kestrel]

This is why I basically always directly include the Japanese alongside the translation

Instead of like
Having to force things you can just make it actually work in English and then people can just look at what the specific Japanese term is if they want to

[novel fog]

you sure? it is pretty clear to me

||and is 'Going Beyond the Parallel with You' not English?||

||also you do not know how many people still think the specific term 'Dark Matter' (like the name) is said in Japanese in Star Allies in relation to Void even with that being included||

||like, I'd rather use 'parallels' and make a note of its uses and meanings, especially to be safe||

||because besides the other stuff, we never know if they will use 'parallel worlds' someday, and if its use and meaning will be different||

[vapid kestrel]

This works because Parallel is still being used as an adjective there

[novel fog]

no?? what do you mean???

[vapid kestrel]

I'm not like an English major so like that is definitely the wrong way to say it but like

There are times when you can use an adjective like a noun but like

You can't just do it whenever and have it work

Like you can say The Good, The Bad, The Ugly and it works

[novel fog]

wait isn't parallel literally a noun

[vapid kestrel]

But that doesn't mean you can then write a sentence "John has met many bads and always confronted them"

[broken rune]

not in the sense of a "parallel" world

if you use parallel in a sentence without something to compare it to it comes off as odd

[vapid kestrel]

In the same way Goods is also literally a noun but like that's not the definition you mean when you say The Good

[glossy jay]

Mfw Pres Haltmann's first name is Max Profitt

[austere willow]

i mean wouldnt english localizations call shit like parallel worlds anyway if they were told they ARE parallel worlds

[glossy jay]

As in Maximum Profitt

[novel fog]

nah they'll go with something dumb like alternate worlds probably because you know how they are

[austere willow]

whatever

[vapid kestrel]

Like as much as linguists like to act like language is a science and maybe it is and I just can't explain it the point is like
You can write "He just met the big bad" and that is
A completely valid sentence
But "He just met the bad" is not no one will understand what the fuck you're saying or they understand but think a person in china wrote it at midnight

Sometimes language just
Sucks ass like that and saying 'it crossed many dimensions and parallels' is imo one of those times

[novel fog]

||though really I guess they'd go with parallel dimension if we go by RTDLDX's localizations||

||so uh I guess that is best thing you could use if you really don't want to go for parallel||

[vapid kestrel]

well I'm not writing the line as 'crossing many dimensions and parallel dimensions' though so

[novel fog]

fair lol

||I don't get why they specifically went for parallel dimension instead of world there either||

[austere willow]

kirby feels too abstract when they word shit the most straightforward things in RtDX that isnt instructions is like

Magolor talking to Kirby

or Magolor's thoughts to himself

[novel fog]

anyway, should probably explain stuff about parallel (world), no matter whatever exactly you put on there, Faye
since most people probably don't know/remember its exact uses Kirby-wise

[vapid kestrel]

You see that's the fun part ultrby

I have never heard of any instance of Kuma using the word until ReDx made it relevant for you to point out here

[novel fog]

oh do you not know

[vapid kestrel]

Like the funny magolor clash interview says it and that's all I know

[novel fog]

there is also 'parallel story' in relation to Meta Knightmare Returns (on Miiverse)

in English they changed it to alternate story or some shit

[vapid kestrel]

I see

I dunno Ill think about it again another time and decide whether I wanna just write it as parallel and have a note explaining wtf the sentence is saying, wouldn't be the first time

Actually I did literally do that here

Anyway, if there's one take away regarding Kirby lore, it's this

https://twitter.com/moiwool/status/1499419133795913733?s=20

Wool (@moiwool)

been vibing with dekinai-chan memes lately

Likes

3131

Retweets

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Twitter · Mar 3, 2022, 4:19 PM

[leaden terrace]

tis true... also moiwool!!!! 😭

i love her art sm.

[austere willow]

i can fix him (give him human thoughts)

[vapid kestrel]

moiwool 😭 frr fr how is her art so good

[vapid kestrel]

Instead of the heartless thoughts of a robot designed only to subjugate its enemies, I will give it human desires

Such as the feminine human desire to murder me after I talk with it for 5 hours

[novel fog]

no I will give it the desire to sleep and eat all day

(it does not have a mouth)

[vapid kestrel]

When has that ever stopped a character in this series

[novel fog]

true lmao

[leaden terrace]

we can always give him the NME heart that's used for Escardroid in the anime

[novel fog]

even Gim can eat (how)

[austere willow]

tHE ANIME!? (tone of disgust and shock)

[leaden terrace]

It's only valid if it's related to Escargoon 😌

[austere willow]

I GUESS

[vapid kestrel]

I will train metal general to have this human reaction to the anime

[thin forge]

does magolor have a bigass hyness nose

[leaden terrace]

TRUE

[leaden terrace]

i dont think he has a nose at all, so he cant smell

[vapid kestrel]

does magolor have a bignose hyness ass

[leaden terrace]

.

[vapid kestrel]

Y'all mfs better get ready to scream when I show you Magolor's dumpy

[leaden terrace]

faye no.

[faint glen]

w a

[thin forge]

do it coward

[novel fog]

(it is just a picture of a back of an egg)

[leaden terrace]

btw ive been listening back to back rtdl music

the subtle reverb present in like all the music i listen to is gonna kill me

in rtdldx

[novel fog]

||also wait it's 'Crossing into the Parallel with You' I'm dumb lol||

||knew something was wrong, but yeah it's more used like a noun there||

[leaden terrace]

i mean i dont necessarily midn it too much, sometimes it actually adds to the song

and then you get grand doomer. wtf is the reverb in this

think ill just stick to the og for the ones that rly bother me

[craggy sable]

[ChocolateEgg.Jpg]

[subtle kestrel]

Holy fuck dude true arena popped off

[magic gate]

did ||Kirby always turn blue on the title screen randomly||

[leaden terrace]

he changes to a random player color

[thin prairie]

I think Kirby changes colors when you complete story mode

[magic gate]

ok

[odd rover]

Magolor when I take a bite out of him

[faint glen]

Its funny everyone who comments on it has it turn blue first lol

[prisma island]

i just beat the magolor epilogue for the first time
oh dear god in heaven the true arena is going to be hell incarnate

[leaden terrace]

you have true arena unlocked?

[glossy jay]

Someone double check for me smth

Someone said in the ||Magolor soul|| fight, the blue Orb in the ground in the background

Looks like Void

Like the swirly texture

[prisma island]

no
but one of the new additions slaughtered me three times in short order so now i'm afraid for my life for when I do unlock it

[leaden terrace]

horrifying

[leaden terrace]

yep

[glossy jay]

Ooo

[leaden terrace]

||texture files share the same filenames with void||

[glossy jay]

That's neat

I wonder if we'll ever get a game featuring the book of legend hyness mentioned

Such a one off thing and yet he implies that's what set him towards his goal

[leaden terrace]

its in a realm of possibility

there's also ||magolor's dusty tome||

[odd rover]

Wouldn’t it be so funny if everything from Star Allies was just never mentioned again

[leaden terrace]

considering there's no conclusion to wtf void is really supposed to be about there and they just never touch on it

it's a little more likely than youd think

[odd rover]

Yeah I wasn’t being serious but I am a little worried about all of that

Also the Kirby series makes callbacks all the time so

[novel fog]

||specifically Void Termina's final core, and it pulsates, who knows what exactly it means though||

[odd rover]

They should go back to having secret True Arena bosses like GK who’s with me

Do Morpho Knight EX and Phantom Meta Knight count?

[leaden terrace]

i wonder if it actually means anything

[odd rover]

Magolor is Void 🤯

[solar harbor]

Morpho Knight EX appears in Guest Star Three Mage-Sisters

But Phantom Meta Knight is exclusive to Ultimate Cup Z, yes

[odd rover]

Oh ok

[novel fog]

I've seen actual theories of that lmao

[odd rover]

Phantom Meta Knight you can see coming but with GK it’s like “Sup lmao” and HAL should do that again

[odd rover]

Oh really

[leaden terrace]

how

[novel fog]

yeah, though it was before RTDL DX's release lol

[leaden terrace]

still how

||btw, do you guys think this whole voice debacle implies that void and master crown really are much more closely connected?||

[odd rover]

Speaking of weird Void theories I saw a theory that Kirby, the Knights, Fecto Elfilis, and Void display growth stages of one another and I felt like

[leaden terrace]

||i mean i dont know whats the deal with their connection, but they seem to be keen on showing them||

[leaden terrace]

i... I mean

[odd rover]

||Voice debacle?||

[glossy jay]

One day when hell has frozen over maybe they'll release a Kirby lore book

[leaden terrace]

i kind of have a little thought in my head for a while that elfilin might actually came from the same source as kirby and void and the rest

[odd rover]

Y’know the funny thing about the theory is that it ignores the fact that Fecto Forgo is the larvae state of Fecto Elfilis but ok

[leaden terrace]

with the idea that the 'ultimate lifeform' was not its real base form

[novel fog]

from what I remember it was because they're both travelers and because they're from/related to another dimension and stuff or something like that lmao
and they both have becoming friends as a theme

[leaden terrace]

ngl i never took the larvae thing seriously. how is he 'larvae' if he technically never metamorphosize? just you know, turn back

[novel fog]

he did though? when he becomes Elfilis?

[glossy jay]

It's because it's a transformation form

He was becoming whole, only missing Elfilin

[odd rover]

Void isn’t from AD, that’s treehouse fan fiction striking again

[glossy jay]

Not truly metamorphosis but

[leaden terrace]

yeah i have very conflicting thoughts about elfilin's deal trying to like understand him more than i already did lol

[odd rover]

Oh wait why did I say that

[novel fog]

well they meant the vessel

or Jamba Heart

[odd rover]

Yeah mb

Also I learned that Void wasn’t sealed in the Jamba Heart apparently and it must came from AD one day. And the Heroes’ spears are sealing it for some reason, did I misinterpret something?

[glossy jay]

Wasn't the whole point of the Jamba heart that Hyness was tryna free void from it?

[odd rover]

The Jamba Heart is like darkness that’s so dark it solidified and it’s enough to summon Void Termina

[glossy jay]

Ohh

[novel fog]

no, I mean it was moreso the darkness was sealed in the Jamba Heart, but it and the Spears of the Heart is basically sealing what could become a Void at least

[leaden terrace]

my idea was that fecto forgo must've been his base form, a giant blue slime void of a real identity and likely feeds on others to build more of itself
and fecto elfilis is the 'perfect' form, with a full solid body, a history and a name
this sounds very weird and theres def things contradicting it maybe but i thought its very interesting so i just wanted to say it

[glossy jay]

Remember when everyone was hyping up playable void

As a void-kirby

[odd rover]

Lol

[novel fog]

and it is considered a vessel for Void

[leaden terrace]

yuh

[novel fog]

yeah, Forgo seems to be what it looked like when it was young/a 'larva' at least

[odd rover]

I’m still confused. like they put the darkness from Void in the heart or something?

[novel fog]

I mean I guess? but it is still considered a vessel for him? so idk

[glossy jay]

About the ancients, which faction made the Lor and Nova? Science or magic side

[novel fog]

perhaps both

Lor was on Halcandra at least, which is said to have had both the magic and technology ones

[glossy jay]

Hal prolly has their whole shit written out on the Master Kirby lore Google Doc😮‍💨

Need access to it

[odd rover]

My current interpretation

“Man it’s a good thing we defeated Void Termina with our bond weaponized with four spears. I sure hope a comically large heart doesn’t appear out of a dimensional rift.”

“Fuck shit we gotta lock it up”

[leaden terrace]

a 'larva' that completely dissolves as soon as it breaks out of the capsule into a giant blob that absorbs others to gain their appearances for itself... 🤔 and it transforms as soon as it regained elfilin (ill still need to think about that lol)

[novel fog]

well, I'm sure it was more stable when it was that for real

instead of the weird state it was in when Elfilin split from him

[leaden terrace]

yeah thats what i figured

[novel fog]

because they do act like Forgo is a younger state, even out of the whole Larva thing

[odd rover]

I was under the impression that Fecto Elfilis was the one who originally was labeled ID-F86 but the idea of Fecto Forgo arriving first and consuming as much life as possible to gain the form of Elfilis sounds cool

[odd rover]

I need feedback

[glossy jay]

In postgame tho he's about to challenge Kirby on his own until Morpho kills Forgo

[leaden terrace]

i have the idea that fecto is extremely attached to its perfect form of elfilis

so as soon as it becomes forgo for whatever reason, lacking the identity it latched onto, it becomes furious and begins eating everything just to regain it

[odd rover]

Tbf its in his conscience

[leaden terrace]

the fact that the name changed is very interesting

[leaden terrace]

so it would basically act as if regaining its identity once more is like being reborn

[urban bluff]

gamers what's the name of miniboss song in ME

or like, not miniboss song, just enemy room in general

[leaden terrace]

to be fair his body was like. decimated at that point. thats just his soul

or rather his mind idk

[odd rover]

I just thought of Fecto Forgo bending spoons with his telekinesis

For some reason

[leaden terrace]

he would do that

[urban bluff]

abra looking ahh

[glossy jay]

Someone edit this mf into Goriath

[novel fog]

in JP it the form is also called 幼体 (basically same as 'larva', 'an organism before reaching adulthood'), and the concept art section of the guide book describes it as the 羽化する前の幼生に戻っている状態 (something like 'state of reverting to larva before turning into an adult'; note 羽化 means 'the development of an insect from a pupa or larva to an adult')
also the whole 'Neoteny' thing in JP version

[odd rover]

Some Lab Discovera tourist having their phone be torn to shreds by a giant rat fetus sludge thing

[glossy jay]

Personally, I'd tell it to please stop because that isn't nice

[odd rover]

I wonder if Forgo came from a chrysalis

[leaden terrace]

cool! i do wonder why itd turn into a literal larval stage after having the "other half" split from it. wonder what's so special about elfilin

[novel fog]

yeah, it is weird

[leaden terrace]

thats kidna why i had the whole thing going on that i rambled about

thats me trying to make sense of that lol

[novel fog]

is it saying it needs compassion, intelligence, etc. (what all Elfilin had) to turn into an adult?

[leaden terrace]

compassion to kill!!

[odd rover]

Forgo after eating enough people to become Elfilis: Finally, I have gained a new form

gets captured and warp incident occurs

“Fuck!”

[leaden terrace]

maybe elfilin is what keeps the form together, considering elfilis does start melting as soon as kirby gets him out

but just what good is he if elfilis doesnt even seem to care about anything lol

[austere willow]

oh yeah

[leaden terrace]

maybe it is the attachment for his own identity as Elfilis? ok ill stop

[austere willow]

whats Another Domination in jp

[novel fog]

Another Domination

lol

it's just written in English

[austere willow]

Inchresting

cuz i wouldve never thought the localization would do such a pun

[odd rover]

I mean maybe you could remove any part of Elfilis and it would start melting

The compassionate part just happened to be the one that got split?

[leaden terrace]

okay

heres a

crack theory

[odd rover]

For me I think I’m gonna stick with “Fecto Elfilis arrived on the planet first and got reverted back to larval (Forgo) state after the incident”

[leaden terrace]

when you fight elfilis and oyu beat him, elfilin comes out in some sort of an orb and thats how you get him out. however that orb also comes out when you beat chaos elfilis and thats what he assimilates into for his final phase

(idk if its the same but im too lazy t ocheck)

[glossy jay]

Just realized Magoland breaks all kirby lore cus Landia still has the Master Crown

Defo time travel

[novel fog]

more specifically the Elfilin part of it governs 良心 (conscience), 知性 (intelligence), and 理性 (reason) it seems

[odd rover]

I mean Forgo seems to have both of those down

[novel fog]

also yeah here it is in JP version (not that you can really tell lol)

[novel fog]

both of what

[leaden terrace]

what im guessing here is... the core must've been elfilis's bodily core, perhaps his real look even. so to see elfilin like this... kind of implies a lot of things actually

[odd rover]

Conscience (Forgo Dreams) and intelligence (Planned an escape for thousands of years)

[novel fog]

what about reason

and maybe it just gained those after a long time
because they specifically emphasized the fact Elfilin governed those things

[odd rover]

Hmm alright I can see that

Kinda like uh

[novel fog]

or maybe it's just like Elfilin had most of it
and not absolutely all of it

[odd rover]

Splatoon 3 story mode ||Mr. Grizz’s cryosleep||

[odd rover]

I was thinking you were about to say “the orb is the earliest growth stage of Elfilis”

[leaden terrace]

"The Elfilin we met was born from a small, compassionate soul that hid behind greater, invasive ambitions. Without a soul to temper its power, the creature's spatial-teleportation ability ran amok, opening mysterious vortices left and right. Now that they're whole again, they're already planning their next invasion."
Assuming Elfilin is specifically the one that holds together not just Elfilis's powers, but its form, and he is located in the core that became its final form which is also likely its true form, this 'small, compassionate soul' might just be Elfilin as well before he was separated from the core and in turn Elfilis, simply stored deep inside the body of the trigger happy lifeform?
Idk what im saying lol

[odd rover]

Hmm

[leaden terrace]

The fact that it's specifically Elfilis that starts melting and Elfilin has no problem at all is also something to note

[odd rover]

I’m too tired to discuss the ontogeny of Elfilis. I wanna talk about why tf did some mfs try to make him sympathetic

[leaden terrace]

i mean i feel bad for him. nobody deserves the fate he got lol but its not like i truly think he deserves better, he brought this to himself really

[odd rover]

“Oh… he’s just scared the humans were experimenting on him 🥺🥺” HE TRIED TO CAUSE AN EXTINCTION EVENT (Cosmo yelling at Timmy)

[novel fog]

how is Elfilis (when split) and Forgo unstable but Elfilin is just fine? is Forgo like most of the power or something?

[leaden terrace]

we already got the best case scenario in that the last of elfilis fused with elfilin willingly

[leaden terrace]

I think the point was that Elfilin must have been the true core of Elfilis that decides the identity and form which is why he is so pure and nice, while Elfilis, shaped by the environment likely his entire life, is hellbent on keeping the form it wants to live with but couldn't without Elfilin and that's why it's so determined to fight back against Elfilin and Kirby

[novel fog]

maybe
just wondering if there's other reasons

[odd rover]

I sleep now I will NOT dream of Elfilis ontogeny

[leaden terrace]

dont think theres a need for any other reasons lol

...unless there is

[leaden terrace]

lol sleep well. im just babbling

[crimson lodge]

Yo... ||That Magolor Soul battle was AMAZING!||
(HARD True Arena Spoilers)

I still have goosebumps... By god...

Kumazaki is an evil goddamn genius.

[granite cedar]

i personally interpreted that forgo was unstable because elfilin is the part that gave them overall stability

which is why he's also fine on his own

[leaden terrace]

That's what I thought

[wintry turtle]

I love the theory that || the true arena magolor soul may reappear in a future game because the crown was never destroyed upon defeat and "magolor" was sent through the star portal ||

[vocal latch]

||My main hope is he'd appear in a new Clash as Parallel Magolor||

[granite cedar]

||imagine if we could tell that to actual magolor and he's like. "what in the actual fuck"||

[vocal latch]

||I REALLY hope if it's an actual battle, that after you win, instead of talking to Bandee, you talk to Magolor who's paranoid or denies his relation to the Parallel||

[maiden forum]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-metroman-my-death-was-greatly-exaggerated-gif-19307347

||master crown to magolor ||

[granite cedar]

tbh i feel like

||if we are right and third clash will be genuine full price retail game, bandee won't have the role he has right now and will be just playable instead||

so ||magolor will take the role of a "host"||

[ocean mauve]

||ngl it actually makes me sad that magolor cries out for help during the fight and that it implies he gets a Bad Ending in that fight. like I want magolor to be happy now after all of this :(. thankfully this seems to be the Alternate Not Main Timeline Canon ending||

also random idea: ||all this stuff could easily lead into a full-fledged rpg either in the clash universe or just with clash elements||

||since clash is basically an rpg already||

[maiden crane]

||magolor soul as hidden super boss? 👀 ||

[fallen gust]

I’m amazed ||there’s no Kirby rpg yet. Like a legit rpg.||

[granite cedar]

kumazaki talked about this

he said that a kirby rpg is a common request from fans but he wants HAL teams and directors to expand first so they could work on all sorts of games beforehand

basically he doesn't want game freak situation

[fallen gust]

I mean there’s not something like The Kirby Company forcing them to make annual releases

[ocean mauve]

ooo neat

I'm glad they know we want it. with that in mind I suppose it's just a matter of time before they eventually get down to it

[maiden crane]

someday.

[fallen gust]

I think they’ll do it

I would love a team based on return to dreamland’s

The light novels practically have a good foundation

[granite cedar]

yeah but also GF's issue is that they are not too big but forced to do ambitious projects

[maiden crane]

id say "hopefully this year" but since this and forgotten land came out not a whole year apart uhhh maybe lets give the team a breakkk

[granite cedar]

kuma realizes that rpg is an ambitious idea for a spin-off

so he doesn't rush into it

as we see with forgotten land, patience is a virtue

whenever we will get a kirby rpg it will be fantastic

[maiden crane]

if set in the clash verse

[fallen gust]

True I’m not necessarily saying they have to do it ASAP I just feel an rpg is a perfect vehicle for how big of a cast the kirby series has gotten

[maiden crane]

bandee can easily serve as the "old friend in town joining you on your journey"

party member

[ocean mauve]

as a Pokemon fan trust me when I say I'm very grateful for this haha

[fallen gust]

A platformer can’t afford to have too much story and dialogue but with an rpg, Kumazaki can cook a buffet

[maiden crane]

a
dream buffet you could say

[fleet prism]

hard disagree

A platformer can have as much story and dialogue as an rpg

or more, really

[ocean mauve]

it can but I think it's easier to do with an rpg tbh

[granite cedar]

it can be possible but realistically i don't see kirby ever adapting this style unfortunately

because MAIN platformers at the end of the day welcome accessibility

[fleet prism]

Meta Knight's Revenge:

[granite cedar]

this is why we want rpg spin-off, because those are inherently for more niche audience

[granite cedar]

and they made nothing like that since

except for one mode that literally made to spoof it

[fleet prism]

"they made nothing like that since" means fresh ground to cook on

Both ideas have great potential

Personally I think that a platformer with dialogue and story holds the same potential as an RPG
It is a mere difference of gameplay

[fallen gust]

I mean you’re never going to have Kirby be something like hollow knight

[fleet prism]

amazing mirror

[fallen gust]

Well I take that back they might do a kirbyvania

[fleet prism]

Even a linear platformer can have all that dialogue and story going on

[junior fiber]

i'd love a kirby metroidvania

[magic gate]

Made it to true arena's final bsos with full health. Hopefully this means I'll actually be able to beat it

[fallen gust]

I always like the idea of Kirby exploring a giant castle and unlocking abilities he can’t have from the start

[ocean mauve]

remember: hold r to win 🙏

[magic gate]

got to ||Phase 2 with full health||

[ocean mauve]

hold r even harder now

[cold pawn]

I hope a rpg spin-off would take place in the main timeline and not in the Clash one

[magic gate]

I WIIIIIIIN

[granite cedar]

i mean the thing is

i agree

id love a kirby game like that

it's just currently there's very little chance for such thing happening in my mind

[fallen gust]

I just don’t see it appealing to the wide masses

[granite cedar]

yeah that too

people complained so much that mega man x games got more dialogue for example lol

of course im sure hal would go smarter about it

theyd make it more easily skippable and whatever

but still

[magic gate]

I'd imagine they could start by testing it as a subgame like how blowout blast and forgotten land were tested via Kirby 3D Rumble in planet robobot

[vale river]

Magoworld

[ocean mauve]

clash

(kinda)

[cold pawn]

A Kirby spin off but it's just boss battles based on the Computer battles from Super Star

[vocal latch]

I feel the cutest thing would just be to have little dialogue in the world map/level select lol

Which is what Elfilin already did ig

[granite cedar]

i actually think what magolor epilogue did is brilliant

[ocean mauve]

what would the main 4's roles be
dedede: tank
meta knight: glass cannon
bandana dee: support
kirby: ???

[granite cedar]

he has lots of optional dialogue via screen that explains his abilities

this CAN work for other characters

and not just within that context

[granite cedar]

kirby is jack of all trades

the balanced character

[ocean mauve]

makes sense tbh