[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[junior fiber]

i think thats how the mirror worked

[celest grove]

oh

[odd rover]

That sure sounds like something

[celest grove]

nvm then

I totally forgot this detail

[junior fiber]

mirror dimension lore be good challenge

[faint galleon]

||Added the magolor epilogue bosses and made magolor soul way harder at the end||

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah patch Land isn't effected by the sock, you can even see popstar from its horizon

[novel fog]

unless Dream Land was secretly in a sock all along

[broken rune]

what if popstar was taken through the sock 😳

[vague pumice]

||no secret final boss that wasn't in magolor epilouge then?||

[odd rover]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-angry-door-fall-gif-11404358

[junior fiber]

i try my best to like the dimension mirror stuff but its so weird for no reason lol

[odd rover]

Fry rn

[craggy sable]

Isn't that just a projection from the funny wizard

[celest grove]

||By harder Magolor Soul there are also visual changes||

[severe igloo]

The sock is basically just a pocket wormhole, Patch Land is not literally inside it

[faint galleon]

||That's the role of the harder Magolor Soul battle||

[craggy sable]

Dammit I can't read... again

[tulip hamlet]

2 planets approach the roche limit

[junior fiber]

fit the entirety of popstar in a sock

[vapid kestrel]

Popstar when it crashes into the biggest bundle of yarn ever seen:

[vague pumice]

||What happened to galacta knight, is he just removed from the game?||Thanks for the answers

[craggy sable]

Nope

[junior fiber]

a bunch of build up but it just lands softly

[odd rover]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-hamster-joji-gif-15938274

[craggy sable]

Still there

[severe igloo]

Remember when Prince Fluff says to Kirby "We did it, we found the Epic Yarn!"

[craggy sable]

Still no explanation but it's there

[novel fog]

||he is in True Arena, same as before||

[vapid kestrel]

||I think it's interesting they put Galacta Knight after Traitor Magolor instead of before||

[junior fiber]

almost as cool as haltmann saying i've turned popstar into a planet robobot

[vague pumice]

||So True arena has like True arena from the OG game, + Magolor epilouge bosses. That is a lot of boss fights ||

[vapid kestrel]

||I'm not a fan of power scaling usually but Arena boss order is the one form of power scaling I accept
So I will now believe that GK is stronger than Magolor with the Master Crown ||

[tulip hamlet]

I think patch land is a pretty small planet, my guess is it would just explode while popstar is still relatively okay lol

[junior fiber]

some consider it the hardest one now

[severe igloo]

||Galacta is still there, now as 3rd to last boss, he's basically the same but he nows has the ability to create a wall of flames after shooting his revolution beam, like in Super Kirby Clash||

I wouldn't call Patch Land small

[odd rover]

||Y’all wonder why the track that plays before the GK battle is now called “Where the True Enemy Lies” and now only plays before him||

[junior fiber]

||he's the enemy||

[severe igloo]

Patch Land has around the same level quantity as Popstar in RtDL Deluxe if not more

[novel fog]

||also has more energy swords||

[severe igloo]

||Doesn't it plays before Magolor EX too?||

[odd rover]

||It used to be the old final five theme now it’s just GK||

[severe igloo]

||Yeah, he's been steadily increasing enegry swords since the original RtDL||

[tulip hamlet]

Tbf it's hard to say, astral object sizes are madly inconsistent in this series lol, I just keep to the idea that popstar is relatively earth sized

[broken rune]

||it’s maybe supposed to be interpreted in the context of where it played originally? dl3’s iceberg, which was dark matter’s hideout||

[novel fog]

||idk why English name is that, JP name is different iirc||

[odd rover]

Oh I see

[broken rune]

[severe igloo]

||I think that's the case plus it also being played as the original "final five" theme of the true arena||

[odd rover]

I wonder what it’s called then

[novel fog]

||it's 真の敵の極地 (more like 'Furthest Lands of the True Enemy' (could also be 'enemies'))||

[junior fiber]

NOA was feeling quirky

[odd rover]

I am now informed

[broken rune]

||and they didnt even go through the effort to canonize the arenas like fl………sigh……..||

[novel fog]

||真 (true) is probably like of True Arena's name of course||

[severe igloo]

Someone has to remake that image of Magolor depicted as the "misinformation emoji" while Limitless Power plays, but with the high quality version of this game.

[tulip hamlet]

Love how all pre release speculation of the epilogue boiled down to this

[vapid kestrel]

|| 真の敵の極地 I guess I would translate this as "The True Enemy at the Farthest Reaches" or something ||

[quartz skiff]

||master crown is just whispy woods as a final boss||

[junior fiber]

||im fine with it not being canon since there weren't many things like, that substantial, but it would've been appreciated||

[novel fog]

||think WiKirby has it as 'The Furthest Reaches of the True Enemy' lol||

[gleaming nexus]

||First boss: Giant tree||
||Final boss: Giant tree with god powers||

[lost briar]

what a dream battle!

[vapid kestrel]

h

[quartz skiff]

He not like yggy woods whispy great grandpa or his cousin from the new world tropic woods

[vapid kestrel]

Actually isn't this also a pun with the fact that it's a remix of Iceberg
Since this term normally refers to the poles

[novel fog]

||also 極地 can mean like 'the farthest land' or 'polar regions (like the Antarctic and Artic regions on Earth)'||

yeah

[tulip hamlet]

||VS Whispy Soul||

[lost briar]

so basically they could have called it "The Last True Enemies"

on that note wow do I hate the name "The Last Iceberg"

[vapid kestrel]

I call it a pun ig because like
In general it can refer to GK being at the 'furthest reaches' of the arena
But the term also refers to the poles b/c it's an iceberg remix
But also b/c maybe 極 is the funny term associated with Morpho b/c of 極楽 Gokuraku/Sukhavati

[novel fog]

could also partially refer to role in original RTDL, not just with GK

(hell who knows if they came up with this name beforehand)

[vapid kestrel]

Its weird b/c the title does seem to feel more appropriate for when the song applied to all the last enemies why is it just used for GK now that's so weird lol

[novel fog]

yeah lol

maybe they intended it for more but decided to go with more variety?

[severe igloo]

Unrelated, but does anyone find odd how despite Hal can be really good at giving playable characters reference heavy moves, Meta Knight's Mach Tornado is just not accurate at all and is just a renamed sword spin?

[lost briar]

they seem to have named most of the tracks in regards to how they would have been in the Wii game

[novel fog]

oh yeah

since the Scope Shot tracks

[vapid kestrel]

DDD and MK suffer heavily for being built in RtDL era instead of SA era like other playable characters

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah I got excited when I saw Mach Tornado in the move list then it was just literally not at all Mach Torndado

I thought he had a new move like Dedede & Bandan

[severe igloo]

Couldn't they just give Meta Knight a tornado attack with sword/cutter properties that is shorter than regular Tornado?

[vapid kestrel]

His new move would be Galactic Counter

[tulip hamlet]

returning move even

[clever hull]

I

[lost briar]

there's also the returning tracks getting new names that make no sense in the context of RtDL

[severe igloo]

He does, he has a Smash Bros-like counter

[clever hull]

I completely forgot ||hr-d3 existed||

Actual jumpscare

[tulip hamlet]

True, but it's kinda underwhelming in comparison

[severe igloo]

Does HR-D3 even count as a spoiler that has to be hidden?

[lost briar]

like "A Dangerous, High-Flying Finale" being mistranslated because they didn't realize the context was for KF2

[vapid kestrel]

Eh I think Galactic Counter is the most interesting of all their new moves tbh

[faint glen]

It does not

[tulip hamlet]

I was stuck on that so hard as a kid lol

[severe igloo]

I like Galactic Counter fine, but I just dont use Meta Knight that much anyways

[novel fog]

idk if I like 'Climactic Clash! Robo Dedede' the most either
but I guess original material was never translated here I guess

[severe igloo]

Spamming Super Dedede Jump is so much fun

Just waiting for the day they give Dedede Gordo throw and a close grab move that involves sucking and then spitting foes or stars.

[novel fog]

JP name is クライマックス！デデデロボ ('Climax! Dedede Robo') , after his EXクライマックスモード ('EX Climax Mode') where the theme originally plays
note the point where the other Scope Shot bosses's weakpoint is exposed is also called 'Climax' internally iirc?

[novel fog]

I think there's a few songs with new names specifically made to work in context but yeah

like 'Hidden Magolor Found'

[tulip hamlet]

"Let's hit the Climax" aggressively plays a piano

[junior fiber]

oh i just realized i havent found any hidden magolors

[lofty condor]

You monster

[junior fiber]

😭

[novel fog]

I found one (that's the only thing I have done in Magoland lol)

[celest grove]

there's one per day so

[tulip hamlet]

I swear there's 3

[novel fog]

oh is it just one?

[severe igloo]

Bayonetta moment???

[celest grove]

That's what the Merry Magoland trailer said

[novel fog]

ah, forgot

[fathom cradle]

You can only get the benefit of one

But I've seen more than one

[tulip hamlet]

I know for a fact that atleast the first time around there's 3

[celest grove]

it's like a daily bonus

really?

[severe igloo]

I love how they just added the the Wii startup theme in the game to a new context just so it doesnt get left out, like, is there any other Wii port/remaster/remake that does this?

[celest grove]

I never really noticed 3 before

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah, along with the message "you've found all the hidden magolors for today" implying there's consistently ment to be more than 1, maybe they changed something late in dev

[celest grove]

oh

I'm blind then

[tulip hamlet]

I'll check later ig

[granite cedar]

there's 3 per day in different locations

[celest grove]

oh okay

[granite cedar]

game notifies you if you found all of them or not, so far its always three per day

[fathom cradle]

I think it's just so that finding the daily one is easier ig?

[granite cedar]

its actually pretty fun to find them

[fathom cradle]

I mean it's really not that hard to begin with but whatever lol

[tulip hamlet]

That reminds me I gotta do another Samurai kirby 100

[granite cedar]

its not hard but its pleasing

magoland in nutshell except some missions i guess

[tulip hamlet]

I've gotten 15 multiple times but I've never cracked 16 when I'm actually online

[granite cedar]

i said this during pre release

but i think waddle dee town would really benefit from something like hidden magolors

just something that would force you to explore the town every day, gives it more, idk, life?

after you unlock everything it feels very stagnant

[severe igloo]

Imagine if in Magland there was a giant Magolor disguise worn by three Waddle Dees as a mascot costume?

[tulip hamlet]

ngl I went around to get the stats and 1 ups every so often, but it would be cool if they changed places

[granite cedar]

i love this idea lol

[granite cedar]

oh yeah that was a thing

[severe igloo]

I guess Im gonna draw it now

[granite cedar]

its fine but i would like something special for waddle dee town specifically

stars and one ups are everywhere

hidden magolors are just in magoland

[severe igloo]

I was able to max 99 lives in Extra Mode

[tulip hamlet]

Also personal gripe but it annoys me sm that the Lor Starcutter "comes to play" in Magololamd but not Grand Doomer

The starcutter feels like a game completion addition how come doomer was the only boss who got omitted

[severe igloo]

Grand Doomer unlike the other bosses seems to be too chaotic to just come and hang around

Meanwhile the other bosses present in Magoland are territorial

[lofty condor]

||Grand Doomer literally tried to kill Magolor again in Epilogue didn’t he lol||

[severe igloo]

yeah

[tulip hamlet]

I mean, the Metal General description straight up states that it's a soulless war robot that has been hardcoded to guard a singular spot for eternity

Then immediately he goes to hand out in a theme park so idk if they cared much about that lol

[vapid kestrel]

||Why didn't the Master Crown tree come to hang out lowkey||

[lofty condor]

||Me trying to find out where the fuck HR-D3 is||

[novel fog]

well, some of them were hypnotized by the Part Spheres or something like that

like Whispy

[ruby narwhal]

||because it’s in the dream kingdom ||

[severe igloo]

Metal General is a bit of an odd case, but even though he was built for battle and destruction, that's not his main directive, that's to defend his territory in Egg Engines, that doesn't mean that if he were to hang out in another place, he would be destructive out of nowhere

[granite cedar]

tbh i like that bosses that came to hang out actually make sense to come to hang out

also it means that metal general actually got a happy ending

after 1) being created to exterminate others

2. being forced to guard a place no one cares about

[vapid kestrel]

Metal General sitting in Magoland like:
Where the FUCK am I help

[granite cedar]

it sure beats being in egg engines though

[severe igloo]

Like, Whispy Woods constantly flip flops his aggressiveness, seemingly just for the sake of being a boss, sometimes it seems he just gonna beat Kirby's ass for taking a stroll.

[fleet osprey]

||master crown|| has come to play in merry magoland!

[lofty condor]

||Not anymore||

[severe igloo]

lmao

[novel fog]

idk if there's many games where he beats him for no reason (idk if 64 had a stated reason, but besides that (plus there's multiple ways to interpret the situation there))

[tulip hamlet]

ig, but the jump to reading the pause screen to "Metal General has come to play! :D" 5 minutes later is comically odd

[vapid kestrel]

Theory: Magoland is actually built on Halcandra in the future that's why Metal General is here
Magolor used his Trickery on him
"I'm guarding this place you CANNOT pave it over with a theme park"
"Nobody said you had to prevent this place from changing I'm making Halcandra better lol"
"..."
"I will contribute 30% of the profits to revitalizing Egg Engines"

[glossy jay]

To 100% the game do you need Gold on every Challenge in the Lor?

[lofty condor]

Let the robot find happiness it beats having to guard a place for all eternity

[severe igloo]

Nope, just beat the challenge levels

[novel fog]

no, just need to beat them iirc

[granite cedar]

in most games he's either possessed or has a motive

[severe igloo]

doesn't matter the score

[glossy jay]

Ok sweet

This game is so fun

[granite cedar]

64 is one of those cases where he doesn't seem to have any motive

unless theres some sort of secret lore on jp kirby 64 site lol

[tulip hamlet]

I'm happy for him ngl

[glossy jay]

It's been like 5 years since I touched the og RTDL

[novel fog]

though there's definitely at least one way they could explain it if they ever needed to lol

[tulip hamlet]

You murder his children on sight in 64 he 100% had a reason

[severe igloo]

I forgot, is he possesed in Dream Land 2?

[glossy jay]

Also this might be an unpopular opinion but I like Dedede's redededesign

[novel fog]

yeah

[novel fog]

implied to be at least

[granite cedar]

yeah

in dl2 and dl3

[severe igloo]

To be fair, he is sending them to attack Kirby

[granite cedar]

though dl3 makes it more clear

[brave crag]

DL2 bosses let you play minigames after beating them.

[granite cedar]

in dl2 you can even go back and play a minigame with him, showing that he's now chill

[tulip hamlet]

Oh yeah what's with that psych ward looking mask and goggles he has in DL2

I never got that

[vapid kestrel]

Because he's sus

[tulip hamlet]

Sussy woods

[brave crag]

Even Kracko lets you play a minigame for some reason.

[severe igloo]

Apparently is supposed to be some reference at Whispy Woods having pollen allergies or something

[novel fog]

he's trying to prevent himself from getting hay fever lol

[severe igloo]

yeah that

[granite cedar]

kracko wasnt as insanely vengeful yet

that comes later

[vapid kestrel]

Like half the joke is that people wear masks when they have allergies but he's a tree
And half the joke is like 'wow who is this sussy person' NO FUCKING WAY IT'S WHISPY WOODS WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED

[tulip hamlet]

omg the tree has hay fever? lolll

[granite cedar]

lmao

[vast vapor]

kracko didn’t fucking hate you yet

[severe igloo]

Kracko is probably the one living boss that hates Kirby

[granite cedar]

kracko should write a book

"i still hate kirby and get away with it"

[brave crag]

Actually, was Kracko in the minigame? I think it was just the Co-Krackos.

[severe igloo]

Like, my man hates Kirby so much that he doesn't have a corrupted parallel version, he just became a bigger hater and became parallel himself

[fleet osprey]

yeah it was co krackos

[vapid kestrel]

"I hate Kirby with all my guts but Kirby says shit like "I'm not enough of a threat to actually get rid of" god I hate his guts"

[tulip hamlet]

Actually it's pretty fucking funny that out of the entire cast everyone seems to like Kirby more as the franchise goes

except kracko, he just despises Kirby more and more

[shrewd turtle]

I love kracko bro is basically an immortal sky god yet he’s only ever an unimportant mid-game boss

Really goes to show how powerful kirby is

[vapid kestrel]

I like how Kracko is just like Dark Matter if Dark Matter was mid

[tulip hamlet]

mid matter

[severe igloo]

When are we getting Parallel Lololo & Lalala?

[vapid kestrel]

Just a
Fucking cloud with an eye that shoots lightning

[tulip hamlet]

Kracko be like "I always come back"

[novel fog]

Clash 4

[vast vapor]

“can this mf just climb a tower in desperation already”

[severe igloo]

An angry cloud that shoots lighting still goes hard

[granite cedar]

you say that but technically kracko survived better than dark matter

[tulip hamlet]

Except in this game where he got replaced by a UFO

[granite cedar]

therefore its dark matter who is mid

this hierarchy is really sad but true

[severe igloo]

Like I said before, Dubior is just dollar store Kracko

[granite cedar]

dubior is kracko if kracko was bad

really bad

[vapid kestrel]

Kracko survived because he's not enough of a problem because he's so mid 😭

[fleet osprey]

ok but tdx kracko went hard

[granite cedar]

i like sa kracko too

parallel as well

[severe igloo]

You know Klu, is funny how our pfp just shows how we each see Dedede in a nutshell

[vapid kestrel]

3DS just had the best versions of every reoccuring boss in the series

Whispy, Kracko, Dedede

Knight boss

[tulip hamlet]

Mecha Kracko is unironically the hardest Kracko fight and that isn't even Kracko

[vapid kestrel]

Galacta Knight who

Dark Meta Knight fucks

[granite cedar]

then there's meta knight

[fleet osprey]

i loved the amazing mirror connections in tdx

[granite cedar]

meta knight not getting shit

[fleet osprey]

and i dont like amazing mirror to begin with

[severe igloo]

If Dark Meta Knight fucks, does that makes Meta Knight a virgin?

[fleet osprey]

thankfully fl added the peak meta knight boss

[granite cedar]

meta knight is asexual you heard it here

he's a virgin and he likes it

[severe igloo]

Evil

[vapid kestrel]

Meta Knight tips his fedora and eats sweets, he is a liar and a wizard

[fleet osprey]

meta knight loves his sword

[tulip hamlet]

Meta Knight is 100% a

"My only love is my sword" kinda guy

[granite cedar]

lowkey fl blown me away because not only i got a genuinely fantastic meta knight boss

[fleet osprey]

me

[granite cedar]

i got two fantastic dedede bosses that play differently

forgotten land is such peak fiction mmmm

[fleet osprey]

yeah fl bosses are awesome

well

[severe igloo]

I think TDX is heavy in Amazing Mirror references and Planet Robobot is heavy in Super Star references because both released on the other game's anniversaries, 10th and 20th respectively

[fleet osprey]

after world 4 at least

this includes dedede

[granite cedar]

i like carol

tbh

tropic is kinda mid tho

[tulip hamlet]

FL has the hypest Meta Knight fight for real

The sword clash goes so hard when you time it right

[granite cedar]

but inoffensive

[vast vapor]

forgotten land made my eyes pop out of my skull

[fleet osprey]

carol is the better one of the bad fl bosses

[severe igloo]

Tropic still rocks because he's a giant palm tree

[vapid kestrel]

Tropic Mids

[vast vapor]

def in my top 5 favorite kirby games

[granite cedar]

tropic has a banger design

[fleet osprey]

FL is my favorite 3d kirby

[severe igloo]

I love that Tropic has subtle tribal tattoos

[quartz skiff]

What’s first#

[vapid kestrel]

I love that Tropic woods has no relevance and is not brought back for the final world boss rush

[tulip hamlet]

Tropical Woods is easier than the first boss because at the end of the day it's just another reskinned whispy lol

Thay being said the psychic powered form is actually quite a challenge

[vast vapor]

Blowout Blast fans rise up

[fleet osprey]

tropic woods

[severe igloo]

I also sorta love that ge has no plot connection, Kirby just happen to go across him

[granite cedar]

i WOULD say how the fuck he moved

[quartz skiff]

Whispy wood final boss

[granite cedar]

then i remembered that whispy somehow went to magoland

[vast vapor]

He’s not even the first boss either we are introduced to the beast pack beforehand he’s literally just A Guy That Shows Up

[fleet osprey]

ok do we know if tropic woods actually came from popstar

[severe igloo]

Lets be real, he can probably unroot himself and jump

[fleet osprey]

or is he a local

[granite cedar]

probably a local

[storm gazelle]

is there a list of the combo pars for getting gold medals in magolor epilogue

[vapid kestrel]

Alternate reality where Tropic Woods is in Redgar on top of a metal building mostly submerged in lava

[novel fog]

I mean Whispy is found everywhere all the time lol

[granite cedar]

the image of this is so funny

[granite cedar]

well usually we fight him in the forest at least

[vast vapor]

one of whispy’s apples was sucked through the portal

[novel fog]

Cookie Country, Grass Land, etc.

[vapid kestrel]

Tropic Woods is too fucking fat to jump like other whispys
He has been stuck here since 1852

[vast vapor]

apple embeds itself in ground

[severe igloo]

I have a pseudo headcanon that Whispy Woods can sort of travel around by transporting his sentience to different trees, which then fully transform into a regular Whispy Woods body, explaining why we tend to find him in different areas.

[vast vapor]

in sand

[novel fog]

true
but still man's everywhere

[vast vapor]

it grows

Tropic Woods

[leaden terrace]

i feel like tropic woods is a completely separate entity

[tulip hamlet]

》Gets an alolan form on another planet
》Is relevant to absolutely 0% of the plot
》Doesn't elaborate
》Gets beaten up

[leaden terrace]

and he just happens to look a lot like whispy

[floral mantle]

Dumb meme about a certain boss

[leaden terrace]

TRUE

[tulip hamlet]

I think "Woods" is just a species of sentient tree creature in the series that exists on multiple planets

Like I highly doubt "whispy woods" is the exact same one in ever game, especially considering you fight 2 at once in KSS/FP

[clever hull]

Wait a minute now that you mention it

WHAT THE HECK KRACKO

[granite cedar]

lowkey this got me to think

hes probably fat specifically because of the tropic climate being kind to him

[vast vapor]

yggy woods has been around since 1500 at least and can still jump like a champ fatass has no excuse

[severe igloo]

Well, Twin Woods could be a different one, but I think every lone "Whispy Woods" is the same one

And the idea that he can move his sentience between trees making him effectively inmortal can explain how is he even able to survive the robotization from Planet Robobot

[vapid kestrel]

He's fat because he smokes weed and has nacho nights every week
Other Whispys go on a jog every Fridays
If you go into the forest on Friday you WILL see 52 Whispies crawling the borders of the forest in a circle

[floral mantle]

I can't wait for a multiversal Whispy Woods

[severe igloo]

The Whispyverse

[tulip hamlet]

If anything yeah It would make sense for him to just be able to transfer consciousness between different apple trees

Makes more sense than him hopping around everywhere, the only reason he can jump is because Kirby Fighters slapped his face on the flowery Woods boss fight lol

They needed something ig

[vapid kestrel]

He can jump in Star Allies

[cursive sandal]

(epilogue) ||THE PART OF THE MASER CROWN BOSS FIGHT WHERE YOU USE ULTRA SWORD ON IT HAS A DIFFERENT PAUSE SCREEN DESCRIPTION||

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah but that was only after they established he can in Kirby fighters, where it was just a flowery fight with a different coat of paint

[vapid kestrel]

Yea so what's the point of pointing out why it happened if its canon regardless now

[faint glen]

WH

[leaden terrace]

its just woods

[tulip hamlet]

I'm just saying I feel like he wouldn't if they didn't re use a boss for fighters lol its not deep

[leaden terrace]

he can do anything

[junior mesa]

he jumps in KF2 as well

[rustic ether]

||What stamp card do you get the Nova Mask on?||

[tulip hamlet]

Ngl I'm surprised his root attack was saved for the ex boss in this game, when it's normally apart of his base kit

[vapid kestrel]

Funny descs (Epilogue)

[junior mesa]

it's faithful to the original

in that way

[tulip hamlet]

true, but then he tries to inhale you at half health 🤭

[cursive sandal]

||"To free the tree and bring an end to the destruction... To take responsibility for his wicked ways... With all of his magic infused into the sword, he must strike! Magolor must atone for his misdeeds!||

[fleet ocean]

i just realized

does whispy woods have his root attack in ksa

??

[leaden terrace]

||they were hellbent on saying sin so they went for the english lol||

[cursive sandal]

goes hard ngl

[junior mesa]

i don't see what you're trying to say lmao

[tulip hamlet]

Also truee

Instead he has thay really weird thing in twin woods where he swaps body parts with the other tree??????

[austere willow]

no

[tulip hamlet]

I really want to see that attack in a modern game with 3d models and stuff

[fleet ocean]

wow

[celest grove]

not using sin but honestly it's not the worst localization of it

[austere willow]

only Tropic and Flowery have it

[fathom cradle]

||"it's time to pay for one's sin"
-magolor selling gem apples after defeating the tree master crown ||

[leaden terrace]

||"I... I really want to write sin in this so bad."
"We don't have to. Really. Kumazaki already did it years ago."
"Nghhh, but I want to..."
"We've agreed to this a while now. We're NOT going to use the word 'sin'"
"... (English fans... hear me out... what if...)"
('Sin' gets removed from the english translation)||

[junior mesa]

[fathom cradle]

That apple has been skewered

[tulip hamlet]

Wtf purple whispy?

Spoilers???!?!!?!!

[austere willow]

me when i assumed that the persnon i was talking to knows that Whispy in RtDL has the roots attack

[junior mesa]

omg spoiler!!! 😱

[austere willow]

and i was answering a question

[vapid kestrel]

Wtf whispy is in rtdl?????

[leaden terrace]

wtf apple?

[austere willow]

no thats earthly

[vapid kestrel]

NO WAY

[fathom cradle]

||if we actually had had an elemental whispy there was a nonzero chance of getting an earthly woods||

[junior mesa]

sure

[fathom cradle]

We need them to make a ground element for this purpose

[vapid kestrel]

:sand:

[tulip hamlet]

Still sad we didn't ||get an elemental whispy woods in the epilogue, Where's windy woods at?||

[fathom cradle]

Tbh

[tulip hamlet]

I get why he isn't there, but still

[fathom cradle]

Sand should have put out the fire blocks

[tulip hamlet]

sadge

Big true

[austere willow]

Sand putting out fire blocks is too much imo

[tulip hamlet]

Then again also true

[austere willow]

its already solving like 5 puzzles

[tulip hamlet]

Sand is already hammer, stone, whip...

[junior mesa]

i agree, sand is already very versatile

sand is basically a slightly lower hi-jump too

[leaden terrace]

they should make sand the most broken already

[junior mesa]

sand is fine as-is
anything more and it'd be painfully op

[tulip hamlet]

Also a big selling point of the Lava blocks is that you can run on them without taking damage

Sand doesn't have a special run type

[fathom cradle]

You say this as if it's not already much better than a decent amount of abilities

[junior mesa]

im not saying its not better

[fathom cradle]

This isn't even adding a move it's adding a property to get rid of fire blocks lol

[tulip hamlet]

thats exactly the thing i think

[limpid edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sin-kiske-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-kiske-kyske-gif-27240940

[junior mesa]

its a great ability in terms of raw dps
but its still not like

totally broken

[fathom cradle]

Exactly so it doesn't displace Ice and waters niche in running over them

[tulip hamlet]

Eventually you'd just be making the triple star rod from Mouse Attack again

idk, I can see an argument for and against

[fleet ocean]

you just spoiled the one thing i was looking forward to. i hope youre happy. /j

[storm gazelle]

which stage is the best to grind magic points on 😭

[fathom cradle]

Trickery 6

You get 1600 points in like a min

[storm gazelle]

ty

magolors pause description changes

i think

[junior mesa]

||you get a little popup like "oo look he's super strong now!!" and that's all I noticed
I can check & verify the pause desc thing||

[fathom cradle]

I just wish there was more to use him on since it's very easy to do everything in epilogue well before you max everything out

Ig the intent is just to keep chasing high scores

[cursive sandal]

yeah

[storm gazelle]

they really shouldave let you use him in the arenas after you beat magolor epilogue and have beaten the arenas once

[junior mesa]

oh, it did change

||Now that he's restored all
of his powers, Magolor is
reborn! Maybe he'll use his
powers to help others this
time! Or maybe not...||

[severe igloo]

Yeah, is a bit sad they didn't made Magolor playable in the Arenas for some reason

[floral mantle]

I mean, he's probably too OP?

[storm gazelle]

i said after youve beat them once :)

[severe igloo]

I guess, but they did made the True Arena waaay harder, so might as well gives us Magolor right?

[junior mesa]

||tbh the problem does kinda come up of like
does he just have all the upgrades you have currently from epilogue? or is he maxxed?
they could also just buff the boss HP for Magolor too, since I mean
even at max magolor the bosses are kinda easier for Kirby in TA vs Epilogue tbh||

[severe igloo]

Or at least how about a special level in Magolor Epilogue that works as a true arena for Magolor that unlocks when beaten the regular True Arena, so it has the magic system in play and the combos

[junior mesa]

||like the epilogue bosses eat damage from kirby for breakfast in TA fr||

[novel fog]

||I think they could have done it, just choose what upgrades you want and stuff; might have been too complicated though||

[junior mesa]

||maybe they just wanted to keep Magolor self-contained to his shiny new mode||

[faint glen]

||Thorns + airdodge would like a word with you||

[severe igloo]

||I guess but his bosses being integrated into the regular arena rather than its own separate arena is weird, so Magolor being playable there is not much of a stretch||

[fathom cradle]

I think the best way to have done it would be to have a standard moveset but also they could have just made him unlockable after you beat it once so you still had to do it the "hard" way anyways

Ar that point the biggest concern is magolor clogging up the best times

[junior mesa]

||I only played TA once so far tbf to Magolor ig (w/ Ninja), but I found the epilogue bosses way quicker to kill there vs full max Magolor||

[tulip hamlet]

They coulda just

Gave him a nerfed star allies moveset

[fathom cradle]

They don't have much hp

[faint glen]

||well they do die quicker possibly yeah||

[storm gazelle]

they may have

yeah

reduced their hp

[tulip hamlet]

I fact just give him his Kirby Fighters 2 kit

[storm gazelle]

they do that in the arenas usually right?

[fathom cradle]

Faye showed their hp values and most of them have lower hp than their ex equivalents

[junior mesa]

||yes I assumed so
but what I'm saying is that if Magolor is to be included just reduce his dps output or up boss hp||

i'm not saying they're equals lol

[tulip hamlet]

most? who doesn't?

[cursive sandal]

exactly my thoughts

[fathom cradle]

She said hydriath didn't have less than goriath ex, I didn't check myself though

[tulip hamlet]

huh, weird choice

[cursive sandal]

ultra sword and dimensional vanish or whatever aren't broken as crap in fighters 2

[novel fog]

they seem to be same

[fathom cradle]

Hydriath one of the easier epilogue guys tho tbf lol

[novel fog]

both 435 in True Arena

[junior mesa]

||imo they shouldn't have made the epi bosses so easy for TA||

[novel fog]

||I mean, True Arena is already harder than original||

[cursive sandal]

literally the only thing stopping me from getting a platinum medal on everything

[tulip hamlet]

wait they're easier?

[fathom cradle]

Yeah this runs into the leaderboard issue though, they'd have to do something differently if they increased boss hp

[tulip hamlet]

than in the epilogue*

[junior mesa]

||I mean, could just be split between "Magologue TA" vs "Any-Char TA"||

two categories

[fathom cradle]

I literally don't disagree with you lol

We have pretty similar thoughts on this

[novel fog]

well, technically almost all the bosses are easier than mode they came from, since they have 75% of their HP

[junior mesa]

im not trying to imply that you're disagreeing

[cursive sandal]

please, let me use magolor in something that isn't the epilogue, star allies, or fighters 2 😔

[tulip hamlet]

ah, I forgor

[junior mesa]

||but yeah, uh... i think they shouldn't have nerfed the epibosses that much for TA
they're supposed to be the cool new versions of the bosses but then they barely put up the fight to show for it||

[clever hull]

||Just got the 120 energy sphere dialogue in ex mode||

||So manager magolor is our magolor??||

[fathom cradle]

Tbh ||master crown is actually an insanely easy fight for how late it is||

[junior mesa]

in the future yes

[cursive sandal]

||even in the epilogue the bosses all have the problem of magolor surge being op||

[clever hull]

||I thought "a different time" meant another timeline at first||

[fathom cradle]

||it's mostly just really flashy but the actual patterns are really telegraphed||

[severe igloo]

||They should have just made an special arena for the epilogue bosses, sort of how the True Arena in Super Star Ultra is shorter, it could go like this:
First 7 fights (they go at random)

• Enemy Horde: Room guarder version of the small doomers plus other enemies
• Miniboss All Stars 1: King Doo & Giant Edge, Double Bonkers EX
• Miniboss All Stars 2: Dubior & Water Galboros, Giant Edge & Moundo
• Electricky Dooter
• Fiery Puffer
• Hydriath
• Rampaging Doomers

Final Three (fought in order):

• Galacta Knight
• Crowned Doomer
• Master Crown||

[thin forge]

im ngl i thought ||yall were really talkin about whispy woods being the final boss||

[fathom cradle]

||room guarder small doomer room is actually a pretty interesting idea for an arena round||

[fleet prism]

I HATE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS WITH TIME DILATION I HATE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS WITH TIME DILATION

[junior fiber]

||whispy soul||

[junior mesa]

||not all of them
I find Hydriath harder to use surge consistently on bc he likes the walls
but even in Epilogue w/ surge vs Kirby TA the latter goes by way faster
My only issue is their lower HP for TA. Depending on the upgrades you go in w/ on Magologue some of them can still be rough||

[thin forge]

kid named interstellar

[junior fiber]

||oh god are you trying to graph out the multiverse||

[fleet prism]

[odd rover]

||Is the word “sin” really too much for the American child to stomach||

[junior fiber]

or the timeline

[fathom cradle]

Even with ||hydriath it's pretty easy to do hit and run after the surge upgrade that lets you do additional ones||

And it's still really good dps bc of how surge works

[severe igloo]

||Star Allies did something slightly similar by sending strong enemies during Miniboss rooms in Ultimate Choice, so I think it can work||

[ocean mauve]

surge is jsut broken

[junior mesa]

||you have to space it a bit more but yeah
tbh I find using spikes more efficient for Hydriath specifically, especially if you're trying to keep a combo going for platinum||

[cursive sandal]

surge, guard, and midair dodge are all you need to kill everything tbh

[tulip hamlet]

Kirby 64 when fallen angel vs Kirby RTDLD when sin

[cursive sandal]

so you're saying the best way to platinum that boss is spike spam?

[fathom cradle]

Honestly it's a little sad lol bc a decent amount of the upgrades just aren't as helpful as surge

Like magic sphere ||has 9 levels but most of them don't help much against bosses after you get some additional range||

[junior mesa]

i never said to spam it
but using spikes in conjunction keeps the combo going and is very very helpful

[cursive sandal]

ok

[junior mesa]

||they stay up for a good amount of time so you can like
use lvl 9 charge magic sphere or magolor dash attack in combo w/ spikes||

||preferably dashing not when hydriath is on a wall||

[fathom cradle]

Thats the thing tho

You can easily just dash in and dash out when he's on a wall lol

[junior mesa]

i know you can but it becomes awkward

[fathom cradle]

Assuming you have that upgrade, anyways

[cursive sandal]

oh yeah forgot about the insane size of charged basic attack

[thin prairie]

Is EX Mode harder in Remake version?

[severe igloo]

So, HRD3 pause screen says ||he comes from a different dimension, which is weird because youd think it was built in Egg Engines, is Hal trying to imply that he comes from fucking Kirby GCN||

[fathom cradle]

Basically the same

[junior mesa]

you have to have the spacing down
because its very easy to bonk the wall before you dash the other way again and then you get hit
and then streak's dead :(** **

[fathom cradle]

As in base game

[severe igloo]

Not really

[junior mesa]

EX mode isn't the same at all

way more enemies

[tulip hamlet]

Huh, I thought it was made a bit harder

[severe igloo]

you have less health and enemies are changed around, there's also way less health items

[cursive sandal]

||how many points do you need for plat hydriath?||

[fathom cradle]

Tbh I barely noticed the added enemies outside of very specific circumstances and I literally played extra mode right after story mode

[severe igloo]

If I remember, in the og Extra Mode, you had 60% health, but here looks like is 50%

[cursive sandal]

the only added things I notice are the occasional gordo

[junior mesa]

I grew up with the game and noticed like
most levels having way more enemies than OG EX

if not all levels

[fathom cradle]

Yea I played rtdl at launch lol

[faint glen]

And enemies are like randomly resized

[fathom cradle]

That was always a thing at least

[austere willow]

why

[tulip hamlet]

I can't explain how but I feel the new EX is harder

...somehow

[severe igloo]

why what

[austere willow]

EX mode has been given more enemies iirc

idk about hazards but defnintely more enemies

[tulip hamlet]

do you take more damage from enemies too?

[severe igloo]

Yes, it does have more enemies

[cursive sandal]

I don't think so

[tulip hamlet]

huh

[faint glen]

Well the more enemies drain ur health faster cuz u have half health lol

[cursive sandal]

but the halved health makes every hit have way more impact, especially with healing items being almost nonexistent

[junior mesa]

there have been more hazards here & there (as in like gordos) but
aside from that mostly just resizing enemies + adding plenty new enemies in most rooms

[worldly burrow]

theres an unused animtion for whispy called GrowOLD and its just him doing this pose

[severe igloo]

the only places with Maxim Tomatoes are the rooms before bosses

[junior mesa]

the horror

[faint glen]

WHAT

[cursive sandal]

also minibosses and regular bosses having new attacks

[faint glen]

whispy dies of old age

[worldly burrow]

textures are kinda bugged in switch toolbox idk why

[tulip hamlet]

the leave textures lmao

[tulip hamlet]

lol I think they mean "old growing animation" as in it got replaced

[cursive sandal]

I haven't seen a single maxim tomato in a pre-boss area

[tulip hamlet]

they're there

[severe igloo]

I know this is a thing since the original, but what do you think of Whispy flat texture leave clumps?

[faint glen]

Ok but it fits nccncf

[fathom cradle]

Tbh I really do not think the enemies change much from base game extra mode

[worldly burrow]

looks like shit

[fathom cradle]

The difficulty, i mean

[cursive sandal]

the only healing items I've seen are from the doomer rifts, random drops, and me using souvenir items

[fathom cradle]

Kirby enemies are always just super fodder

[tulip hamlet]

I get why some enemies a bigger, but they also shrunk some enemies for like no reason

[severe igloo]

bruh I played the game yesterday, I have actively run into pre boss rooms just to heal up from the tomato

[cursive sandal]

I guess I'm blind?

[faint glen]

I mean i get it in the shoe sections at least
G h

[worldly burrow]

ex version of whispy gets possessed

[severe igloo]

I think they are faster when smaller and in slightly larger groups

[junior mesa]

i mean, more enemies + half health actually gave me a handful of level deaths
because of the lack of food items it becomes an endurance and its easy to not pay attention & get hit by something

[thin forge]

whyd they have to slice the health bar in half

[tulip hamlet]

ah

[thin forge]

like bro this aint soul melter-

[austere willow]

Steely Woods

[fathom cradle]

I mean I guess objectively it is harder

[faint glen]

i died a lot in stages because i simply could not be bothered to care about random hits most of the time

[fathom cradle]

Subjectively I did not experience that

[junior mesa]

not to say it makes it hardcore or anything but
it is more spiced up than OG RtDL's EX mode so

there's that

[faint glen]

i almost got a game over at one point lol but thankfully i was at said 2 lives right before the last DD level which gives you like 5

[fathom cradle]

So I was commenting on my experience bc I didn't think the changes added much lol

[faint glen]

yknow what would be cool with EX mode

they made it

[cursive sandal]

all of my deaths have been pits because I use a maxim tomato or energy drink souvenir item when almost dead and try my absolute hardest not to take damage

[faint glen]

shorter!

[junior mesa]

yeah, that's fair
I've just played the OG too much lol

[severe igloo]

Something I wish Extra Mode did was changing the main color of each world, like Cookie Country being purple instead of Green to match Whispy Woods EX.

[faint glen]

or at least not required

like even getting all the spheres is required for 100%

why

[faint glen]

that would be appreciated honestly

[junior mesa]

still a little salty that they removed the current in that one onion ocean puzzle room w/ the snail shell rolling at you

[cursive sandal]

most spheres aren't hard to get

[fathom cradle]

As soon as I reached that area I was like

[faint glen]

yes but they do take

time

[fathom cradle]

Huuuh there's supposed to be a current there

[severe igloo]

Imagine Dangerous Dinner with purplish pink lava to match Landia EX

[fathom cradle]

Bc it always stuck out to me bc there was no place to hide after

[junior mesa]

yeah!

[fathom cradle]

They did that with several things, made it easier to recover

[odd rover]

Because getting all the main collectables should not be required for 100%

[junior mesa]

like i liked the original better in that way where like
if you didn't find the way to hide before then you'd either have to give up or tank it

but without the current there's no "puzzle"

[fathom cradle]

Honestly I feel like it's prooobably fine bc a lot of ppl probably could still skip it if they just ignored the blocks

[junior mesa]

its just "oh hey energy sphere" lol

[faint glen]

not twice

they shouldnt even exist in ex mode

[worldly burrow]

more star allies leftovers?

[severe igloo]

Exactly

[odd rover]

The main collectable of the story should not be in the harder version of the story

[faint glen]

yes

do u recall dededetour

[severe igloo]

Bro think he's Super Mario

[vast vapor]

Birth

[faint glen]

or like any other better harder mode

[fathom cradle]

I agree that extra mode is a bit of a slog but tbh the mode itself would need major restructuring

[worldly burrow]

yeah thats the anim name

[fathom cradle]

If you wanted to remove energy spheres

Otherwise the ad segments have no real purpose

[faint glen]

well i think they shouldve done that if they wanted it to still be required tbh

[vast vapor]

ad segments could act as warps

[odd rover]

Dededetour and RTDL’s Extra Mode are quite different as one is an abridged version the other is the entire game again

[vast vapor]

like in dededetour

[faint glen]

yes

[junior mesa]

honestly im perfectly fine with EX mode existing
people hate on it because "ugh gotta do the game again?!" but like
as a kid when I unlocked EX it just made the game so much more replayable for me & my family
when you just come back to EX for replay value instead of grinding to TA then it's a much more enjoyable experience

[novel fog]

nah, pretty sure the unused stuff is GCN stuff iirc

[faint glen]

but im saying the other being the entire game again is not cool

[faint glen]

sure too bad you have to lol

[vast vapor]

I’m in the middle of playing extra mode right now and you know what? Even if it’s a downgrade from later games I’m still having a great time with it

[odd rover]

I was worried about having to do EX Mode at first but then I beat the main story in a single day so

[fathom cradle]

Tbh maybe it's just playing on switch but I did extra mode right after story and still thought it was fun lol

[severe igloo]

I guess in a way Extra Story is a slog because we force ourselves to finish it quickly

[faint glen]

idk maybe im in the minority

[fathom cradle]

Including getting Plat on all the ex challenges again

[faint glen]

but i found it very unenjoyable

i was just trying to get through it

[severe igloo]

Yeah I had fun too

[junior mesa]

that's the thing
if you go in to EX just like "gotta get through it for TA and 100%" then you won't enjoy it as much

[severe igloo]

but its a bit of a mix between having fun but also wanting to finish it to get the True Arena quicker

[junior mesa]

but for reruns and just as a new game+ i like it

[fathom cradle]

I mean I do get that sentiment at least bc it sucks you can't do ta stuff until after it

[vast vapor]

I’m dreading the true arena lol so I’m in no way rushing through extra mode

[fathom cradle]

Even if it makes sense bc it has extra mode bosses

[odd rover]

I kinda rushed through the main mode now I’ll get to take my time with EX

[cursive sandal]

main mode kinda allows you to just carelessly blitz through everything with the lack of a health handicap and the amount of food items, ex makes you be more careful

[junior mesa]

||it's not as bad as it looks tbh
I did it on my first run
(still fun arena though)||

[worldly burrow]

extra mode was a mistake

[junior mesa]

agree to disagree

[worldly burrow]

they shoulda just replaced it with a bandanna dee campaign

[austere willow]

Extra Mode is literally waht it says on the tin

[junior mesa]

we already have uh
magologue

[novel fog]

hey at least it isn't Squeak Squad's

[junior mesa]

as the campaign

[ocean mauve]

i appreciate they tried to add a little to make extra mode better. but you can't put lipstick on a pig etc

[faint glen]

squeak squads. isnt required

[austere willow]

yeah see i feel like this whole thing is bc its required

[worldly burrow]

squeak squads is just the same thing again but faster

[faint glen]

well and you can do it in any order

[ocean mauve]

i would have just scrapped extra mode and done some sort of time attack thing like dededetour and meta knightmare

[worldly burrow]

rtdls is just the same game but more of a slog

[faint glen]

which is kinda funny

[severe igloo]

At least is not the orignal Meta Knightmare, forcing you to do the whole thing in one sitting

[vast vapor]

squeak squad does literally nothing but give you a timer

[novel fog]

true
but like in that game it's 100% reward iirc lol

[ocean mauve]

dededetour/mknightmare are enjoyable because they cut a lot of the crap out and let you just blaze through

[junior mesa]

I think EX would've been tolerated better if it became like a "oh you can make a new save file and choose it to be New Game+ now instead of the norm," yeah...
but either way I'm glad that it at least exists

[faint glen]

did sqsq even have a 100% reward lol

[novel fog]

and all it does it give you a timer basically
which is nice but still

[faint glen]

if i was coming back to the game after like a few months or whatever id be ok with extra mode for sure but thats what i was doing for the regular game

[vast vapor]

It’s still way better than adventure’s extra mode

[odd rover]

She just said

[vast vapor]

Your health is halved and you can’t save and that’s it

[novel fog]

I mean, it's for collecting every treasure chest so basically yeah

[fathom cradle]

I think the ex bosses are cool at least

[vast vapor]

I refuse to ever go through that again just for a sound test

[faint glen]

oh u mean it is the 100% reward

[vast vapor]

Yeah the bosses are cool

[faint glen]

thought u meant it was required for it mb

[ocean mauve]

game also gives you the false impression that the enemy layout is gonna be changed substantially in the first stage. then they completely forget this in any stage after

[fathom cradle]

And magolor ex getting a cutscene

[novel fog]

I forgot about that one

[severe igloo]

The worst extra modes are Adventure's and NiDL

[fathom cradle]

Literally lmao

[ocean mauve]

i think i was mashing start to skip the cutscenes bc i assumed they were the same lmao

[fathom cradle]

I was hoping those nruffs would mean the whole mode was like that

[junior mesa]

yeah, 1-1's EX mode layout is pretty heavily altered
but then it kinda fluctuates from room to room

[severe igloo]

Magolor EX has always had its own cutscene

[novel fog]

and in NiDL, you go through Extra Mode to unlock....another Extra Mode, except now with Meta Knight and a timer

why couldn't they have both unlocked at same time lmao

[severe igloo]

wait what, you actually have to do extra mode as Kirby in NiDL??? I though they replaced it with Meta Knightmare

[faint glen]

wait is that how nidl worked ok thats even worse lmao

[vast vapor]

nope!

you can at least save in extra mode this time

[fathom cradle]

Yeah nidl extra modes are

[severe igloo]

no wait, yeah I remember now, one of my friends did beat the entire thing 100%, while I stopped after the main story

[fathom cradle]

Just bad

[novel fog]

nope, it's still in, and you need to do it to get Meta Knightmare

[ocean mauve]

meta knightmare also controls like such dookie in nidl

[vast vapor]

nidl extra modes are atrocious

[ocean mauve]

he feels like he has sandbags tied to his feet

[fathom cradle]

Play the game 3 fucking times and you can't save!!

[vast vapor]

not even worth the effort

[austere willow]

NiDL truly do be the mid remake

[novel fog]

Adventure and NiDL Extra Modes so bad I forgot about them lmao

[ocean mauve]

hrd3 is like. The best part of rtdl extra mode easily

[severe igloo]

NiDL looks gorgeous but yeah, you can tell this is their first remake of a main game.

[austere willow]

i think the spritework's gorgeous

but like 80% of the backgrounds.... ehhh

[vast vapor]

Listen it was their first shot on the GBA so you can’t be too hard on them

but still

[ocean mauve]

i still really love the fountain of dreams remix

and also establishing "fountain of dreams" as a song in the mainline games (even if it's just orchestral gourmet race lol)

[novel fog]

oh, and you specifically need to 100% it to unlock Meta Knightmare, forgot about that part

[vast vapor]

Nope

Stay locked forever

[fathom cradle]

I do think it gets a LOT of flack in here but it still is mostly good

[severe igloo]

If Nightmare in Dream Land was made after Amazing Mirror as a late GBA game or early DS I bet it would've been great

[ocean mauve]

did it take you guys a while to learn that the color of the door indicates if you got all the secrets

i didn't know for a long time lmao

thought you just had to guess which level had a secret

[vast vapor]

actually I picked up on that pretty quick lol

[severe igloo]

the what?

[ocean mauve]

i think the door turns like a pale yellow in nidl if you got everything? adventure does the same thing but probably different colors idk it's been a while

[vast vapor]

if you miss the secret switch in a level the door to it won’t turn white/yellow

it’s white in adventure

[floral mantle]

So...
On the remakes, is the current order something like:
KSSU > RTDL DX > NiDL > Extra Epic Yarn?

[severe igloo]

Extra Epic Yarn is a straight up port with some new stuff

Not really a remake

[floral mantle]

Ok

What about... SKC?

[ocean mauve]

extra ugly yarn

[vast vapor]

Sequel

[floral mantle]

ok

[severe igloo]

Super Kirby Clash is a weird sequel that also has most of the stuff from the first game

[novel fog]

yeah, it's 'Plus', not 'Deluxe' (in JP) unlike the remakes

[weak wigeon]

It's even kind of a demake, it's worse

[floral mantle]

Wait, KSSU better or RTDL DX?

[austere willow]

I mean

What if Kriby Triple Deluxe +

and Kirby Planet Robobot +

[odd rover]

Hey do I have to do the ||20|| extra Magoland Missions to get more music in the sound test

[cursive sandal]

triple deluxe^2

[austere willow]

yes

[vast vapor]

super star ultra will always have major nostalgic attachment to me as my first kirby game

[fathom cradle]

Deluxe³

[austere willow]

Yes you do have to do thsoe missions

[novel fog]

I'd rather Ultra Triple Deluxe

[vast vapor]

but rtdx is still pretty damn good

[gilded veldt]

KSSU has the crazier extra content imo, but I quite like what they added to RTDL DX so far. I still gotta do extra mode too

[vast vapor]

Quadruple Deluxe

[odd rover]

[weak wigeon]

We need a Triple Deluxe + Robobot game with a Taranza and Susie mode

[austere willow]

s

So far

[ocean mauve]

part of me wants tdx/prb remakes but the other part of me doesn't want them spending their development time on them rather than new games

[floral mantle]

Triple Deluxe remake, will be Quadruple Deluxe

[austere willow]

anyway i think people blow up KSSU's subgames like theyre all full games

and like yeah theyre diff experiences but that games short

[floral mantle]

Gimme a Amazing Mirror Remake

[severe igloo]

Susie mode would obviously be based on her backstory of being stuck in Another Dimension, but what could Taranza be? going to therapy?

[vast vapor]

just do another amazing mirror style game honestly

[leaden terrace]

i mean they are the focus of the game thats probably why

[floral mantle]

Like, the Dimension Mirror have so much to do with the lore. Amazing Mirror Remake or Amazing Mirror 2 please?

[severe igloo]

Amazing Mirror remake with online co-op or we invade Hal Labs

[floral mantle]

They can make Taranza part of Amazing Mirror Extra Mode, now I think about it

[fathom cradle]

Taranza gets the mirror and ignores all the associated red flags with it

[gilded veldt]

oh yeah Amazing Mirror is getting added to NSO isnt it

[ocean mauve]

INDEED

oops caps lock

[gilded veldt]

that'll be cool to play online, never played its multiplayer!

[celest grove]

Kirby Triple Deluxe + Taranza's Flower

[severe igloo]

To be fair yeah, the four new modes are good and all but like, do we really care that much about Helper to Hero?

[weak wigeon]

I mean, at least it's on wii U and soon on Nso, TD and PR are not available (by legal means) outside the 3ds

[fathom cradle]

I just thought you were hype as fuck about it

[ocean mauve]

lmfao i mean i am

[leaden terrace]

"Hey dude, I heard the mirror is corrupted. I don't think you should take it"
"And leave my girl in the dark of my gift and make myself look bad? No way!"

[floral mantle]

Maybe Amazing Mirror 2?

[novel fog]

yeah
I wish they were more replayable

[floral mantle]

||Dude chill, she's just an old friend of yours, right?||

[novel fog]

Dyna Blade, Milky Way Wishes, and the Arenas/Helper to Hero is pretty good at least

[vast vapor]

and meta knightmare is replayable for better times

everything else is kinda one and done

I will never not love ssu though

[severe igloo]

Seller: "I warn ya, this Dimensional Mirror comes at a terrible price"

Taranza checks the tag - "20 dollars? Im just gonna take it when you are not looking"

Seller: "What?"

Taranza: "I said I was gonna rob ya"

[celest grove]

I think Taranza won't have an Prologue or Epilogue if he had his own mode

I think it will use a flower theme

[severe igloo]

What would the mode even be if is not before or after Triple Deluxe?

[celest grove]

The thing is like

unsure here

[lost briar]

I personally think an epilogue wouldn't work well for Triple Deluxe

[celest grove]

might be after

[severe igloo]

Though I think the mode would end with Taranza finding Dark Meta Knight and kicking his ass

[lost briar]

Amazing Mirror on the other hand...

[celest grove]

but not necessarily an epilogue

[leaden terrace]

taranza fights a bunch of giant flower monsters

[severe igloo]

I mean yeah, it doesn't have to be directly after Triple Deluxe the same way Magolor Epilogue works.

[celest grove]

can just be Taranza's whereabouts after the game

[lost briar]

but anyway I don't feel like Triple Deluxe has that many open ends like RtDL that had to be addressed in future games

[celest grove]

there's not much to address

[severe igloo]

I have said this before, but Dededtour could be canon without problems if they said that all bosses come from the Dimension Mirror

[celest grove]

you could talk about the mirror but I dunno

[leaden terrace]

other than taranza and sectonia which are talked about enough as well but idk

i just wanna see more of them

[celest grove]

To be honest there's nothing to address about Taranza

[lost briar]

I'd think a "Taranza Epilogue" would work best in an Amazing Mirror remake

[celest grove]

...the only thing to address is Sectonia herself

[leaden terrace]

truee

i was thinking about her specifically

[severe igloo]

I mean, so? I just wanna play as Taranza in wacky adventures

[fleet ocean]

i still have yet to play 3 of those so i cant say anything

[severe igloo]

I'm fine with anything as long as is not a prologue

[thin forge]

guys i have a question

[lost briar]

but for Triple Deluxe itself I'd probably say that... instead of an after story, there would be a side story instead

[thin forge]

do you need platinum on everything for 100% completion

[severe igloo]

no

[celest grove]

but in a sense, it could be great if the Triple Deluxe remake would actually mention how Taranza gave her the Dimensional Mirror that corrupted her

[severe igloo]

For challenge stages you only have to beat them with any rank and for Magolor Epilogue the minimum is Gold rank

[celest grove]

if anything at this point one random thing I have in mind is like

...our old friend being actually playable in the mirror world

[lost briar]

like, a completely unrelated story starring someone like BWD or Meta Knight

[severe igloo]

I feel that the answer is almost as straight forward as "The Kingdom of the Sky is in the sky, and so is the Dimensional Mirror"

[ruby narwhal]

Thank void for that

[lost briar]

that then happens to tie into the main story at the end probably lol

[ocean mauve]

tdx remake would be a good time for bwd to get a story since it made me realize "oh, he isn't Blue Toad" lmao

[celest grove]

I mean you could also get an alternate mode where you see Bandee's adventure to help Kirby

but then how would you end it lol

[ocean mauve]

that would be cute

maybe he fights his own thing

idk what

[lost briar]

well the main thing is that it would be a bit redundant with Dededetour to have it also in Floralia

[ocean mauve]

True!

maybe bandana dee goes on a journey to make himself stronger since he wants to get on kirby's level after his defeat in ROTK or something

[lost briar]

so I'd think it would just take place elsewhere and then at the end you find that the storyline intersects with the main story

[celest grove]

BTW I said no mirror earlier and now I'm like "actually they kinda have to use it as a major plot point"

because god, Triple Deluxe simply never mentioned the mirror until the final moments of Dedede Tour

[severe igloo]

Idk, he gets Super Cutter and cuts Flower Sectonia down which indirectly helps on beating her lmao

[ocean mauve]

when im a kirby game and im tasked with not shoving in all of the story beats at the very end

[lost briar]

what if

Shadow Kirby side story

[ocean mauve]

Yes

need

[lost briar]

he faces Mirror versions of the TDX bosses

[floral mantle]

Prank simulator /s

[celest grove]

if they are not doing Amazing Mirror remake ever, then in Triple Deluxe remake it's not unfitting

[lost briar]

we did almost get Shadow Kirby as a dream friend

[ocean mauve]

you know how in amazing mirror he doesn't wear copy ability hats but can still use copy abilities in specific areas (fire, cutter, etc)

maybe he kinda just permanently unlocks specific ability moves into his moveset

[fathom cradle]

Milky way wishes deluxe

[lost briar]

and they can explain why he looks so different in AM vs the Fighters series

[ocean mauve]

and you can swap between set moves for a specific input?

[fathom cradle]

Smash deluxe

[ocean mauve]

idk

[celest grove]

Basically Kirby Smash into a whole mode

[floral mantle]

Keeby should've been a Dream Friend.

[fathom cradle]

Now this is some big brain shit

[lost briar]

I'd think he'd use the Master sword ability

in some fashion

since he was left with it at the end of AM

[celest grove]

To be honest in the other games Shadow Kirby doesn't seem nice at all

[ocean mauve]

would be cool though you gotta explain how he has mk's sword (granted, mk doesn't appear in tdx so Y'know)

[fathom cradle]

He even has an angy face for his mask in this game lol

[lost briar]

Simple, MK has multiple swords

[ocean mauve]

Wrong! posts forgotten land easter egg

[celest grove]

I feel like Shadow Kirby since Amazing Mirror has just failed

[ocean mauve]

(ok well he Does have an extra sword but it's not the cool one!!!)

yeah idk what kumazaki's cooking with him

i feel like he wanted to make his design different than just a palette swap. but idk shadow kirby in am was just nicer looking

[celest grove]

and for me it's when Amazing Mirror 2 is more worthwhile

[novel fog]

I mean he's supposed to be mischievous and stuff

[celest grove]

because you have to explain how this mirror is truly bad at one point when you kinda already saved it

[leaden terrace]

hes not very good at socializing give him a break

[floral mantle]

isn't he a prankster?

[ocean mauve]

question is: is dedede breaking the mirror canon? guess that's kind of important for the idea of a sequel

[lost briar]

probably not

[leaden terrace]

sounds like a factor

[celest grove]

Dedede Tour is not canon lol

[novel fog]

even if it is, there's probably other mirrors

or ways to get there

but yeah it's possible Dededetour doesn't take place in main world

[ocean mauve]

will frustrate me that they will add really important story beats to side modes and then Oh they're not canon nevermind

like i don't disagree with the idea of it being non-canon but Kumazaki why do you do this

[celest grove]

fun game first

lore second

[leaden terrace]

makes an important long-lasting character die

"oh sorry thats not canon"

[celest grove]

that's how he's been doing things

[floral mantle]

I thought they have canon elements but the event didn't happen?

[celest grove]

that's still how HAL designs Kirby games

[novel fog]

I mean, they are technically 'canon' it seems, just in a parallel
though that probably doesn't mean as much for Dededetour as the other ones

[leaden terrace]

feel like thats the thing

parts of it is canon

but it never happened

[ocean mauve]

so the mirror is in tact still?

i have 0 idea lmao

[novel fog]

Meta Knightmare Returns and Guest Star at least has Galacta and all

[floral mantle]

maybe. I mean, it's possible there's more than 1 mirror?

How many ||Master Crowns are there?||

[leaden terrace]

most likely

[lost briar]

I thought that's how the existence of Galacta is addressed

[ocean mauve]

i mean maybe there could be. but if they're gonna say New Mirror i'd rather they just use a new macguffin lol

[leaden terrace]

and likely still up there in floralia lol

[floral mantle]

or is there only 1 ||Master Crown?||

[lost briar]

he exists but he just never appears within the story

[ocean mauve]

||never thought there were multiple but idk||

[ocean mauve]

that makes sense but it's still so odd

[novel fog]

||considering 'parallels', probably multiple, but might just be one in main world||

[floral mantle]

and ||the butterfly reaped his soul sometime before Forgotten Land?||

[novel fog]

||I mean, Clash world seems to have at least one or two at least||

[ocean mauve]

ok wait yeah idek if galacta is or isn't alive lmao

[ruby narwhal]

||The master crown from the main story but also parallel landia has it evenafter it was destroyed, twice now||

[floral mantle]

Didn't ||Void Summon a Master Crown as well?||

[ruby narwhal]

||Just a mimic, because void mimics everything it encounters||

[novel fog]

||yeah, can probably bring it back with time-space shenanigans either way||

[ocean mauve]

||i assume void can just create random shit lol. also for parallel landia i feeeel like landia just kinda has em because landia always had it? but it could just be like a fake copy or something idk||

[floral mantle]

I wonder what is Kumazaki cooking

[novel fog]

||I mean, Parallel Landia was supposedly corrupted by it, whether it is really a true Master Crown or not||

[ruby narwhal]

I assume the void can only mimic things it has previously encountered, like all those ancient weapons, the giant demon/angel form may have been what an ancient looked like (or a bigger version of them) and the master crown which was usually worn by the rulers of the ancients as stated as one of the “prior rulers” in mag soul desc

[ocean mauve]

||ah fair enough. my headcanon will be "if the master crown fucks you up, a fucked up master crown will REALLY fuck you up" lmao||

[ocean mauve]

that's a sick theory

he's just been around so long he's seen it all

[ruby narwhal]

Or maybe void had seen it all in a prior battle before it got sealed away

[ocean mauve]

reminds me of gravity falls with gideon summoning bill not knowing the demon he was about to unleash. just replace gideon with hyness and bill with void termina

[plain hound]

the ||Rampaging Doomers|| battle is amazing

[ocean mauve]

it's kinda brutal

||so many explosives||

[plain hound]

and thats why i love it

[ocean mauve]

also probably spoiler tag it

[fathom cradle]

💥 💥 💥 💥 :boom

[ruby narwhal]

Void mimicking things is just canonical what it does so I’m just going off of that

[ocean mauve]

:boom

ohhh gotcha

[plain hound]

||also i just noticed you fight 4 of them because there are 4 types of doomers you fight in game||

[ocean mauve]

my void lore knowledge is very rusty/non-existent so i apologize hehe

[novel fog]

well, in Final Core at least
don't really know the extent of it for Devil Form and Angel Form

just that it is probably based on the energy gathered and stuff at least

[fathom cradle]

You might not be interested but theres a recent pin from Faye that summarizes void lore in #kirby-kingdom

[ruby narwhal]

The final core is void, the out shell in phase1 and 3 is what it’s mimicking

[ocean mauve]

oh shit thanks

[novel fog]

I know

but you were talking about the weapons

also what do you mean by outshell and stuff

how can it mimic what it can't see lol

[ruby narwhal]

The phase 1 and 3 forms

[novel fog]

yeah but the Final Core/Void mimicing outshell thing

that was never stated or implied anywhere

[ruby narwhal]

I may have used bad wording saying “outer shell”

[novel fog]

just that it mimics and is dyed by what it first sees and stuff

[ocean mauve]

so from what i'm reading, void's appearance in his "shell" is just bc of how hyness summoned him?

[ruby plaza]

He smile

[novel fog]

yeah

[ocean mauve]

and void looks like kirby because he's just mimicking him

[novel fog]

yeah

[ocean mauve]

pretty neat

where's the dark matter eye come from again

[faint galleon]

Hyness worshipped Dark matter

[novel fog]

from hearts Hyness gathered and stuff

[faint galleon]

Or rather his clan did

[plain hound]

||omg magolor has sensitive hearing lmaoo||

[ocean mauve]

ahhh ok

from what im reading it's like hyness and kirby are tugging on two ends of a rope and void is the figurative rope

and that makes the soul of chaos form appear

[floral mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-magolor-epilogue-kirby-adventure-wii-gif-27555129

[faint galleon]

Correct!

[ocean mauve]

im glad faye consolidated it all into one place bc i did not have the patience to dig through every corner trying to find out stuff

[fleet ocean]

hi. ||mistilteinn theme goes hard still||

[floral mantle]

Like Kirby Music tend to do?

[fleet ocean]

yeah kirby music always goes hard

thats why i love kirby <33

[dreamy jay]

Hey, i finished magolor’s story, the story and the extra but i still can’t have the last mask why ? (I did the first arena and died 11th round of ultimate arena do i really have to do that arena ?)

[late root]

Music changes???
Guitar feels louder and feels more real
more echo-ier
what more???

[floral mantle]

Do the True Arena as well

[dreamy jay]

I did

[late root]

finish it

[dreamy jay]

One shot, finished

The first one

[ocean mauve]

wait i thought you said you died

[late root]

yeah

[dreamy jay]

The second one

[ocean mauve]

you gotta beat both arenas

[dreamy jay]

I failed

Ugh, well ima go make a stock of HP up at the parc i guess

[ocean mauve]

also try using sand

[lost briar]

the last mask is unlocked via ||getting 100% on the whole file||

[dreamy jay]

I personally use leaf, it’s really strong

Ye i’m at 96%

[late root]

||gold kirby mask my beloved||

[ocean mauve]

guard whenever you want (except for goriath ex's supernova attack, don't stand in the middle of the arena there), jump out when it's safe to, set up sand castles for bosses to walk into, golem fist when the boss gives you time to

[dreamy jay]

Is the true arena 4% ?

[ocean mauve]

leaf and sand are both good ye

if you have everything else done it should just be true arena

[late root]

leaf and sand invincible guard moment

[dreamy jay]

Everything else is done yup

[ocean mauve]

i think sand is a little stronger but maybe it's recency bias

leaf has nicer range with tapping b

[dreamy jay]

Idk how to use sand so, ima just keep to use leaf

[ocean mauve]

that's fair lol

my one rule of thumb i'll tell you though is don't get impatient

[lost briar]

sand has this absurd range

[dreamy jay]

Magolor’s story was so cool btw

[ocean mauve]

wait as long as you need until you can kill

[neat path]

Try Stone then.

[dreamy jay]

I really loved the bonus stage

[lost briar]

the range is so absurd that it deals more damage when you don't hit with the fist

[dreamy jay]

Only for magolor’s 2nd form

[lost briar]

because then it hits with the shockwave and the sand blast

[dreamy jay]

Stone is like a counter for magolor’s second form

[ocean mauve]

oh yeah the sand fist is crazy lol

is it really better when not making contact?

[heady relic]

yeah the shockwave does 60 damage

the punch does 48