[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[severe igloo]

Avalnche came out in 1994, Super Star Stacker was from 1998

[thin prairie]

ok but the stage intro music for the last few stages is so good

[severe igloo]

The most likely reason we didnt got Super Star Stacker might have been coming out way too late in the SNES lifespan

[thin prairie]

its not even original but i love it

[severe igloo]

Honestly, HAL should just do an english localization and release it on the non Japanese NSO

[boreal heath]

To be fair Wario’s Woods

[thin prairie]

i didnt even know warios woods had an snes version until last year

[severe igloo]

Or just release the game in japanese, other games on NSO are untouched already

[thin prairie]

give us star stacker and them avalanche

as a treat

[severe igloo]

Avalanche is already on NSO

[thin prairie]

i meant japan NSO

[severe igloo]

Ah lmao

You know what? yeah, they should also be doomed to experience mid

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor pays himself in exposure
His greatest enemy is Drawcia Soul

[wise roost]

imagine if DL3 never got localized

[faint glen]

cmon reggie, give us dream land 3

[severe igloo]

My last step to 100% was doing seven Smash hits in bomb rally level 3

[boreal heath]

Fellas I am doing extra mode and challenging myself to fight each boss with an area appropriate ability (Whispy gets Leaf, Dooter gets Sand etc.) but…

What ability do I use for Nutty Noon???

[wise roost]

Wing

[severe igloo]

Doomer with Wing

[faint glen]

the Grand ability

[boreal heath]

Tornado? High-Jump? Wing

[faint glen]

wing works

[boreal heath]

Nut Kirby isn’t real

[severe igloo]

Wing and Spark are the best contenders

Beam with Magolor?

[boreal heath]

I mean Magolor has you switching abilities anyway

I’ll do Magolor with Crackler

[faint glen]

oh wait what are u gonna do for landia then

[severe igloo]

Funny thing, in True Arena I fell into Magolor's double black hole and lost Sand, so I used a copy essence and very luckily got Leaf

fire for Landia?

[faint glen]

oh . yeah

i forgot it was also a fire area lmao

[boreal heath]

Yeah

And Mecha for General/D3

[severe igloo]

I wish Circus was in this game, just because is the ability that fits Mr. Dooter the most

[faint glen]

naturally

well dooter is a magician

so technically magic would

but lol

[severe igloo]

Yeah but he is described as a performer and entertainer

[faint glen]

hes described as a magician in one of the pause descs

[severe igloo]

And both Circus and Dooter have a juggling attack

[faint glen]

dooter wishes so badly he could be as cool as squashini fr

they need to break canon for one time just to let us fight squashini again

[maiden swan]

Dooter EX is better sadly

[severe igloo]

Let two legends coexist

[thin prairie]

im playing extra mode right now

and its landia time

[severe igloo]

On my Extra Mode run, I beat each boss with the previous boss mask

[floral mantle]

But does Squashini know who's Barry?

Dooter knows who's Barry

[maiden swan]

I used the Metal General mask for my true arena run

[boreal heath]

Gori is def ice also

[maiden swan]

‘Cause I went Mecha only

[severe igloo]

So I beat Whispy with Traitor Magolor, then uses Whispy Ex mask for Mr. Dooter Ex until beating Magolor with Landia Ex mask

Goriath would be fighter

[boreal heath]

I said abilities themed to the area, not the boss specifically

In that case Dooter would’ve been fire

[severe igloo]

Ah gotcha

[faint glen]

if its themed to the area then i guess doomer could also be hi jump
but wing is also fine

[severe igloo]

Im that case, yeah I can see Hi-Jump or Wing be the perfect abilities against Doomer fitting Nooty Noon

[boreal heath]

Yeah, Hi-Jump Wing and Tornado were the ones I was looking at as maybes

[faint glen]

still no cloud kirby

if he spins he creates a cloud platform that he can stand o-

[severe igloo]

I just realized something

[boreal heath]

Tornado because all of the fuCKING WIND

[severe igloo]

Dubior is just dollar store Kracko

[faint glen]

in terms of being annoying to fight yes

[severe igloo]

He even has some Kracko attacks

[faint glen]

i mean so does like

||electricky dooter||

[vapid kestrel]

Fun fact, ||the third time he uses it where he has two horizontal dragons instead of one, if he starts the move while you're on the ground, the bottom dragon is actually below the stage and can't touch you||

[faint glen]

and one of the doomers

[boreal heath]

I hate the white wafers candle area

I hate the white wafers candle area so much

[severe igloo]

As much as I dreaded the key puzzle from Dangerous Dinner 3, I managed to do it first try in both modes

[thin prairie]

i beat landia EX

[fleet ocean]

👋

[thin prairie]

literally one of the easiest EX bosses

whispy was easier

maybe dooter was too

but everything else was harder

i felt the same for normal landia

way too easy

[floral mantle]

Imagine Goriath fusing with ||Hydriath||

[maiden swan]

Everything is easier if you kill everything that looks at you the wrong way first (red Scarfies)

[vapid kestrel]

This is so fucking funny
||Why do we have a monster design that's a bunch of golden tendrils wrapping around a being made of golden tendrils||
||Although I think the big tendrils are actually the crown's and the smaller ones wrapping around it are the tree's tbh||

[boreal heath]

I wish Rick mask let you not skid on ice

[thin prairie]

man i love shooter segment

[severe igloo]

Would be interesting if some masks had special properties

[glossy jay]

To 100, do I need to Platinum the challenges?

[boreal heath]

Kine mask wants to speak yo you

[maiden swan]

No

[glossy jay]

Good

[boreal heath]

Just finishing each once should be enough

I got silver rank on some

[maiden swan]

If I had to plat challenges I would be crying in pain

[floral mantle]

It's good, still hate Onion Ocean

[thin prairie]

wait a minute

[severe igloo]

Is weird, as much as I like that we have ability challenges, I kinda hate playing them

[thin prairie]

i think i just saw the dreamstalk in the background of another dimension

[boreal heath]

People wanted the Dream Collection ones on top of that too

[boreal heath]

It is simply just that big

[severe igloo]

Granted, Smash challenge would've meant Smash ability in this game

[boreal heath]

Ok but people always want Smash ability

Rightfully so

Because it’s awesome

And breaks most puzzles

That don’t involve water

[severe igloo]

then again, we can't use Magolor on the Arenas, so maybe having the Smash challenge in could've meant nothing.

[novel fog]

Level 8? sure you're not mistaking it for Cookie Country

[severe igloo]

Saaaame

[thin prairie]

maybe it was cookie country

[severe igloo]

I saw a big ass vine and some clouds

[thin prairie]

but it wasnt the windmill tree

[vapid kestrel]

God this sure is the design of all time (Epilogue)

[novel fog]

could also be Nutty Noon

[severe igloo]

But I think it might have been Nutty Noon

[thin prairie]

yeah thats what i saw

[ocean mauve]

raw as FUCK!

I'm so glad I got to see the final bloss blind

[ocean mauve]

I had a feeling it would be ||master crown but I WASN'T expecting it to be crowned whispy lmfao||

[floral mantle]

oh lord, it's T-posing!

[ocean mauve]

||people made the joke about whispy final boss but I didn't expect it to actually happen lmao||

[boreal heath]

Heck yeah got Goriath with Ice

[faint glen]

||i mean it technically didnt||

[boreal heath]

Freezing his projectiles is

Satisfying

[faint glen]

||but yeah it being tree is funny||

[boreal heath]

I mean

||Did you see an elemental whispy elsewhere?||

Checkmate

[ocean mauve]

||I mean yeah I suppose there's no indication this guy is even related to whispy at all. but the fact the design basis is Evil Fucked Up Whispy is just incredible||

[faint glen]

||it wasnt there because there was a tree boss||

||but yeah||

[boreal heath]

Ergo

[severe igloo]

||Then again, we did not see Landia in Magolor Epilogue, nor Metal General||

[boreal heath]

||Whispy Woods is the true form of evil||

[thin prairie]

THE LOR JUST DID THE THING

THE ZERO THING

[vapid kestrel]

||And yea as you can see here the thick inner tendril comes directly out of the crown||
||There isn't actually a modeled connection for the smaller gold tendrils wrapping around the bigger one||

[ocean mauve]

think it's just meant to be the ||popstar 5||

[thin prairie]

HOLY SHIT

[faint glen]

||i was terrified for a second because i thought the boss's name was just going to be "crowned whispy"
knowing it is just the personification of the crown just latching onto something is way cooler||

[floral mantle]

I'm just thinking, ||It's not based on Halcandran bosses||

[faint glen]

the zero thing?

[severe igloo]

I LOVE THE ZERO THING, I LOVE WHEN FINAL BOSSES REFERENCE OTHERS WITH A SECRET MOVE

[thin prairie]

it shot from the background while going right

[novel fog]

shooting from the background

[faint glen]

ah

[thin prairie]

its just like zero

[faint glen]

yeah it does that

[boreal heath]

I’ll be honest

[faint glen]

also i like how instantly they were like

||yep. lor is sentient. its been thinking this whole time||

[boreal heath]

||Master Crown|| has nothing on ||Parallel Woods||

[vapid kestrel]

||But like considering how tree-branch-like the crown's wings look I don't think it really matters, the gold parts from the crown and the tree are pretty merged with each other||

[faint glen]

||like ik they lampshaded that in the original a tad but it was very sudden||

[severe igloo]

Unrelated, but speaking of bosses referencing others, is funny that Ridley in Super Smash Bros Brawl has some Dyna Blade attacks

[thin prairie]

fuck

[boreal heath]

Ridley Void Termina too confirmed???

[thin prairie]

wait you cant game over here???

weird

[severe igloo]

where?

[thin prairie]

the lor fight

maybe the entirety of another dimension

[severe igloo]

Wait, you ran outta lives, how??

[thin prairie]

bad at bideogame

[novel fog]

huh really? remember you could in original at least

does it just like give you back lives

[thin prairie]

it just let me try again and pretended nothing happened

[unique gyro]

I feel like that's standard Kirby practice at this point

[thin prairie]

like as if i was at 1 life but i lost nothing

[unique gyro]

Think about how many Soul bosses use the exact same cutter attack as Marx

[boreal heath]

Just realized you can see Magoland from Nutty Noon intro stage

Cool

[unique gyro]

or whoever used it first

They always seem to have beeg laser, teleport spam, cutter attack, and a black hole of some sort

[boreal heath]

I keep forgetting Spider isn’t an ability that exists here

[thin prairie]

i killed it

[floral mantle]

Spider Ability in a 3d game...

[boreal heath]

I wonder how 3D Artist would play out honestly

[thin prairie]

im using ||traitor magolor mask|| while fighting magolor EX

[floral mantle]

you can paint walls, roads, and skate around?

[boreal heath]

I’m a really big Artist fan, esp in Fighters 2

How would you control the drawings?? Maybe they’d be like the remote bombs

[thin prairie]

magolor EX is kinda easy

ok phase 2 time

hes has half health

[boreal heath]

Also honestly looking at these stages I’m seeing tornado with Kracko mask as my nutty noon boss tackler

[vapid kestrel]

Lol
Unlike in the original where they were just images in this game they're like. Low poly models with these images textured on top of them

[faint glen]

Yeah wee the other worlds visible in the AD fight before? Maybe but i never noticed em before

[boreal heath]

Wait err where do these appear?

In the Landia shooting?

[novel fog]

images look similar to the original
guess they're models because there's a circle light effect too

[novel fog]

yeah

[glossy jay]

What are these

[novel fog]

the images that go by during Level 8: Another Dimension shooting sections

[thin prairie]

magolor EX is way too easy

lets hope soul is harder

ok soul phase 1 sucked

lets hpe phase 2 is better

that was very underwhelming

what the fuck

im gonna do true arena later

[vapid kestrel]

"Star Allies bosses have no HP" motherfuckers when they actually play RtDL and 3DX again

[novel fog]

how much HP do Star Allies bosses in comparison to RTDL DX actually

I know they upped the HP for bosses in RTDL DX

[glossy jay]

Was the purple sword part of Ultra Sword in the original?

I don't recall it

[novel fog]

for main mode Magolor? yeah

[maiden swan]

Well they did nerf HP for most bosses even in Soul Melter

[novel fog]

oh that

no, that was added in DX

[glossy jay]

Oh cool

Is it a reference to smth

Or just an addition

[novel fog]

based off Gigant Sword from Forgotten Land

[maiden swan]

That’s Gigant Edge’s sword

[vapid kestrel]

||RtDL GK has 540 HP, RtDL DX GK has 600 HP, Morpho has 920HP in UC, Morpho EX has 1380 in SMEX||

[glossy jay]

Oh yeaaaaa

[maiden swan]

Or specially that

[novel fog]

this one

[novel fog]

oh dang that much?

what about the Whispys

[vapid kestrel]

UC vs ReDx TA vs SMEX

[glossy jay]

TIL you can guard in mid air

[vale river]

Dude. They sauced Magolor Soul up

[novel fog]

oh damn
guess stuff does more damage in Star Allies

[vapid kestrel]

Yea no boss invul

[novel fog]

or maybe it is invinicibility frames that makes stuff take longer yeah

[glossy jay]

Yeah and also coop

[supple scaffold]

Why is Electricky Dooter more fragile than Dooter EX

[novel fog]

well RTDL is also coop

[glossy jay]

Elec has more attacks

[vapid kestrel]

||All the ME bosses have less HP than EX bosses||

[novel fog]

just there's a lot of busted stuff in Star Allies

[glossy jay]

Yeah but I mean the fact that you can just summon allies whenever in Allies

[rich slate]

Is it required to get all platinum in Magolor Epilogue or just gold?

[faint glen]

Golden

[vapid kestrel]

||Oh except Goriath ig lol||

[supple scaffold]

||Master Crown deserves at least 600 HP imo||

[faint glen]

Wh idk why it autocorrrected to golden lmao but

[supple scaffold]

||Mag Soul combining for 1500 is hilarious||

[vale river]

Why am I missing song 166 😭

Am I not gamer enough

[plain hound]

secret path

[fathom cradle]

||extra mode secret path midboss tower||

[vale river]

FOUR SONGS

😭

[novel fog]

what else do you need

[fathom cradle]

He means that level has 4 songs

[novel fog]

oh

lol

[vale river]

Yes

Insane

[thin prairie]

insane level

[fathom cradle]

When the random change!

[maiden swan]

I took ||the secret paths|| both times

And for that reason

I might be missing a couple of songs lmao

[fathom cradle]

||it would be cool if extra mode had some more music changes but ig what we got is cool too||

[plain hound]

if you take secret path it automatically gives you normal track

[maiden swan]

Oh

[faint glen]

||it would be cool if extra mode had changes||

[maiden swan]

Ok

[rich slate]

||I’m specifically missing CROWNED and the theme right before that phase in the jukebox, assuming I need to beat it on extra?||

[fathom cradle]

Yep

[novel fog]

||127? yeah||

[glossy jay]

They removed scope shot

🤬🤬

[broken rune]

something neat is that before you fight traitor magolor, you fall into the ability room as opposed to just spawning in it like you do in the base game

[glossy jay]

Could have added more levels even

[pliant socket]

SO TRUE

[thin prairie]

they should have had more masks

[ruby narwhal]

Wait ||gk has more health than the bloody master crown, WHAT???||

[thin prairie]

im disappointed with the ones we have

[pliant socket]

Finally someone who shares my hatred for the fact that they removed scope shot

[severe igloo]

Im sad over scope shot

[thin prairie]

i get they wanted to have the funny HAL number for masks but

man

[severe igloo]

Hal better be making a spinoff that's just Kirby Scope Shot Deluxe or something to make up for it

[pliant socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019293243944476672/1079853751592026122/RtDL_Dx_if_it_wasnt_Mid.mp4

Fuuuck

[severe igloo]

For real, specially when we have masks like "Adeleine: Focused" and "Elfilin: Happy" as masks

[vapid kestrel]

||Master Crown has no health because you can only attack it when it attacks with its roots, even Fatty Puffer EX has more health||

[odd rover]

God I wish Forgo or Elfilis was a mask

[novel fog]

I mean, had to have an alternate for them

and I don't really mind Adeleine's reckless face

[rich slate]

I’m shocked we didn’t get one of Dark Matter, I mean sure, Dark Matter Clone, but not the og?

||Also man no masks for the epilogue bosses? Really?||

[novel fog]

true
should of had a mask of every Kirby character

(Magolor would die of age before making them all)

[severe igloo]

It should've been like this:

• Getting the Adeleine & Ribbon statue gives you Possesed Adeleine and Fairy Queen masks

• Getting the Dark Meta Knight statue gives you Dark Mind mask.

• Getting Elfilin mask gives you Fecto Eflilis mask.

[rich slate]

I’m happy with the deep cuts we got though, although I still wish there were more

[novel fog]

probably didn't want to do Elfilis because too recent

[rich slate]

Star Dream mask when

[ruby narwhal]

Oh yeah, I guess that’s right

[severe igloo]

Also yeah, no Star Dream mask

[novel fog]

and Dark Mind is too far from original

[thin prairie]

adeleine statue should have given you ado mask

[novel fog]

Possessed one I guess they didn't go for because maybe it was too scary?

[rich slate]

Shocked there were no masks based off of enemies or abilities

[severe igloo]

I bet a lot of gem apples that Ado in 3D would just look like Adeleine

[rich slate]

Was expecting an Ultra Sword mask for beating the main game or something

[severe igloo]

Waddle Doo and Bonkers are the only ones

[keen echo]

For ||gold Kirby mask|| do you have to 100% every game mode?

[severe igloo]

how many masks are in total, 86 because Hal number right?

[novel fog]

think Lor Starcutter one would have been funny

[novel fog]

Kawasaki

[pliant socket]

Yep

[severe igloo]

Kawasaki is not a miniboss in this game

[novel fog]

thought you meant enemy characters?

[severe igloo]

Im gonna think up of 14 more masks to round up 100.

[keen echo]

Guys, how to unlock???

[severe igloo]

Op might meant that, but I was specifically thinking of enemies in RtDL.

[novel fog]

that aren't bosses

[rich slate]

a Miracle Matter mask would have been sick

[supple scaffold]

||100% everything not in Merry Magoland.||

[keen echo]

Ok thx

[fleet ocean]

||I DIDNT HAVE TO DO THE MERRY MAGOLAND MISSIONS??||

all my pain and agony. Wasted :waa:

[keen echo]

Why tf does ||Queen Sectonia mask sound so weird, also magolor masks sound like crows or somethin lmao||

[fleet ocean]

its because all the voicelines dont have effects applied

so susie and haltmann sound weird

[keen echo]

Oh xD

[severe igloo]

Here's 14 more masks to have a total of 100:

• Star Dream
• Dark Mind
• Master Crown
• Magolor Soul
• Dyna Blade
• Wham Bam Rock
• Prince Fluff
• Eline
• Shoppekeeper Magolor
• Dark Matter
• Fecto Elfilis
• Ultra Sword
• Void Termina
• Necrodeus

[faint glen]

Ah yes

Ultra sword mask

Bonk

[vapid kestrel]

WAIT ARE THE SUSIE VOICELINES UNFILTERED IN THIS GAME???????

[severe igloo]

I almost added Pyribbit as a joke, but honestly, it would've been cool

[fleet ocean]

yep!

and so are haltmanns

[severe igloo]

Basically the mask is Kirby with the Ultra Sword hat

[vapid kestrel]

SUSIE BUT SHE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE SHE WAS RECORDED ON A POTATO?????

[keen echo]

I’m playing EX mode with ||Marx Soul mask||

[ruby narwhal]

No wonder sectonia sounded so weird lol

[fleet ocean]

susie but she sounds like kirby

[faint glen]

Idk id that really works in 2D

[novel fog]

makes sense, same voice actor

[faint glen]

The last 14 masks shouldve been. Uh
Whatever i had in my mask predictions that didnt get in

[vapid kestrel]

We had Sectonia's voicelines without filter in the files before but Susie and Haltmann's had the 'filter' (Read: Made to sound like they were recorded and put online in the 90s)

[severe igloo]

That's fair, then swap that with Pyribbit so this fanbase may never find peace

[faint glen]

So mostly spinoff characters, i think

I realize itd have been a lot harder to make than most but gryll mask was robbed smh

[severe igloo]

I only added 3 spinoff characters

[faint glen]

I know

[severe igloo]

Not counting Shoppekeeper Magolor since he straight up appears in this game

[faint glen]

Gryll is best non main universe canon character
Sorry galacta

[ruby narwhal]

On the topic of masks, all of the base super star reps where from milky way wishes

[faint glen]

Also i really gotta say this now lmao

Magolor over here making life complicated, as he does

[severe igloo]

I was about to have a seizure because I was expecting the secret Susie mask to be just her with her visor on, I'm relieved it was her with drip instead.

[faint glen]

Susie def got the best treatment

Also i find it interesting dark daroach doesnt squeak
Says something abt how that possession was
Maybe he was perfectly silent throughout

[severe igloo]

They do some weird decisions when it comes to voice clips

I think the most egregious one is Nightmare having bitcrushed sound effects, they could have given him sound clips from Parallel Nightmare instead.

[ruby narwhal]

Oh yeah that, I expected to hear parallel nightmare voice clips so when I heard the 8-bit sounds it genuinely caught me off guard

[fleet prism]

currently in the process of digitalising the magolore

[fleet ocean]

please send when ur done! im interested

also

this is. some nice information!

[fleet prism]

yo so this is a pretty hard confirmation that he actually says Kirby

Poggers

Had no idea the file was named like that

[faint glen]

Yeah it kinda is lol
Even if i still cannot hear it at all whoops

[fleet prism]

Me neither lol

[severe igloo]

I was already since yesterday thinking of a timeline, looking forward to see yours complete!

[novel fog]

it's not the file, it is the official song name

[severe igloo]

I used to have this half joke headcanon that the events of the Kirby Clash games are the result of Kirby and friends taking their Medieval Fair LARPing a bit too seriously when actual threats began appearing out of nowhere.

[novel fog]

just to show

||wait I just realized does the furigana use katakana in this song name too, neat||

[vapid kestrel]

ReDx with nearly 80 garbage masks:
ReDx with a perfect Zero mask:
ReDx with banger Susie Holiday and Ribbon Friend's Hairstyle masks:

[fleet osprey]

where is the ||magolor soul|| mask

[clever hull]

Do any of the masks besides Kine and Mine have abilities?

[fleet osprey]

no

sadly

[clever hull]

Not even Fatty Puffer inherits the bubble skill

what a tease!!!

[fleet osprey]

it sucks but i cant get too mad at them

since it wasn't even teased

we found about the kine mask ourselves

[clever hull]

Also I’m actually pretty happy with the mask lineup

[fleet osprey]

yeah mask lineup is pretty nice

some questionable choices here and there (looking at ||smiling elfilin||) but im happy

[clever hull]

A bit bummed at the ||lack of fairy Queen and the squeaks|| but a lot of them are really cool

[tulip hamlet]

Recently realised but ain't it funny how
||"The player goes through a portal and fights a bunch of harder versions of the normal bosses in a dark parallel dimension to save/redeem one of the main antagonists while gathering a buch of glowing energy collectibles"|| perfectly describes the post game of all 3 mainline titles of switch

[odd rover]

Probably to avoid Fecto Forgo/Elfilis spoilers

[pliant socket]

Ok but

[fleet osprey]

they've shown Elfilis on Twitter before rtdx release

[pliant socket]

FL released almost a YEAR ago

[fleet osprey]

and yeah that

[pliant socket]

Thats some bs reasoning

[odd rover]

Hmm

[clever hull]

They don’t show void termina either

[odd rover]

IDK then

[pliant socket]

Like if you get spoiled at this point then like

Thats on you

[clever hull]

So maybe they don’t want to spoil the final bosses specifically

[vapid kestrel]

I think posting about them on twitter and showing them off in another mainline game are two different things but

[clever hull]

Because we still have leon and hyness unhooded

[fleet osprey]

yeah maybe

[clever hull]

They refused to show elfilis in the concert too

[fleet osprey]

it was still kinda kinda new at that point

[vapid kestrel]

They only just updated the Kirby Portal with Big Rig Mouth as a Last Battle ability like
A week ago I think

[clever hull]

Despite showing off FL morpho

[severe igloo]

We also dont have Star Dream

[tulip hamlet]

I think they realise that people who bought RTDLD are more likely to buy Forgotten Land if they haven't already, hence the lack of mask spoilers

[fleet osprey]

the "no final bosses" theory sounds very likely

since we dont even have magolor soul

[severe igloo]

And Sectonia is technically not a spoiler since they are not showing her final form as a mask

[vapid kestrel]

Honestly think it's whack they don't have a Magolor Soul mask as a reward for beating TA

[fleet osprey]

my probably biggest complain is about the sfx

[odd rover]

I agree

[fleet osprey]

some of them sound very very off and missing the iconic clips from their respective games, + each mask only has like two sound clips

where is the funny haltmann laugh

[tulip hamlet]

Ngl I was dissapointed when I realised Ribbon/Adelines "voice" was just sparkly sfx

[odd rover]

Where Marx Soul scream

[fleet osprey]

marx soul sfx roster is one of the better ones

[tulip hamlet]

Should've had that play when you die lol

[fleet osprey]

YES

[clever hull]

I really like haltmann, marx soul and galactic nova voice

[fleet osprey]

im maining nova

[severe igloo]

Which one you think is the worst mask?

[fleet osprey]

smiling elfilin

i also made fun of it when the title was datamined

bro has no mouth to begin with

[vagrant cave]

YO I GOT 3RD IN SAMURAI KIRBY 100

[fleet osprey]

ado alt is a close second for the unoriginality

[severe igloo]

It is probably the worst one considering he's basically the reward for completing the first 100 missions

[fleet osprey]

yes

susie and ribbon can get alt hairstyles

yet ado only has an alt facial expression

[severe igloo]

I think player 2, 3 and 4 Kirby masks are kinda bad too

[tulip hamlet]

I main the generic Waddle Dee mask it's too cute

[severe igloo]

Of all Ado's faces, why not the possesed ones

[fleet osprey]

i meeeean they're unoriginal for sure but they were harmless for me

[vagrant cave]

I main shadow kirby mask

[fleet osprey]

since they're playable characters

[odd rover]

Could’ve we had Big-Rig Kirby as the 100 mission mask

[severe igloo]

That's fair

[fleet osprey]

DMK alt was weird but you cant really replace it with anything else

and it looks cool

[tulip hamlet]

I find it funny that out of all the FL transformation they picked the cone mouth

[fleet osprey]

mfw no carby

ig cone mouth fits better as a mask

[tulip hamlet]

At least we have stone transformation carby

[severe igloo]

I would've made Leongar being the reward for 100 missions, remove cone mouth and with those two free spaces add Gorimondo and Sillydillo masks.

To have all the beast pack

[vast vapor]

should’ve been O

but cone is funny as well

[junior mesa]

bruh I just
first tried TA
I thought it was gonna be way worse lol

[severe igloo]

Or leave Conemouth but take out Awoofie

[pliant socket]

Its not as hard as people say it is

[tulip hamlet]

Which completes funks with the lore btw as it doesn't get the "from another timeline" scapegoat

[fleet osprey]

||hard missions|| should've had their own masks

[pliant socket]

What ability btw

[junior mesa]

i used ninja lol

[fleet osprey]

#TornadoSweep

[junior mesa]

& didn't use any of the magoland healing items

(i didn't want to feel like i was cheating)

[pliant socket]

Based ‼️

[fleet osprey]

i did true arena the worst way possible

tornado

coop

[pliant socket]

We don't condone cheaters....

[severe igloo]

Kirby already had a stone transformation with Galacta Knight in the original Return to Dream Land, that already breaks timeline

[tulip hamlet]

Hardest true arena has always been the OG Super Star Ultra imo

[fleet osprey]

maxim tomato support item

[fleet osprey]

that one was always super easy for me

[pliant socket]

That's easy

Wtf

[fleet osprey]

meanwhile TDX one took me around a year to beat

[pliant socket]

The hardest one is like

Easily TDX

or TUC

[odd rover]

Kirby and his friends seeing the Carby stone transformation: Huh I wonder what that means

[fleet osprey]

every game except TDX have at least one busted ability that makes you invincible

[tulip hamlet]

Naaah that game has such cheesable abilities its insane

[fleet osprey]

RtDL Tornado, Robobot ESP, Star Allies Magolor, FL Morpho Blade

[junior mesa]

okay but tbh I had more attempts on SSU because I'm not as used to the physics engine there
where you get hit and then "haha lmao you are stunned every time"

[tulip hamlet]

Presses down with the archer ability

[junior mesa]

SSU iirc took me like 4(?) attempts ish

[fleet osprey]

TDX also has archer but uhh

[severe igloo]

Isn't archer the broken one in TDX?

[pliant socket]

Archer doesn't count

If you use it you didn't beat TA.

[fleet osprey]

yeah I was stupid lmao

[clever hull]

I was expecting her alt to be her DL3 appearance

[fleet osprey]

i was gonna make a point about TDX not having a busted ability thus true arena is harder but it does have one

[clever hull]

With the smaller eyes and they less visible forehead

[tulip hamlet]

I'd say there's worse ones tbh, stone is way easier to abuse from Adventure Wii onwards

[fleet osprey]

same honestly

[odd rover]

You mean the completely separate character Ado?

[fleet osprey]

stone needs waiting

[junior mesa]

the new TA is still like, hard
||I'm sure if I didn't know that unfair magolor existed I would've died to the black holes or smthn lmao||
but you still have to be careful

[severe igloo]

How different could a 3D Ado mask be from Adeleine???

[fleet osprey]

it's still pretty different

[clever hull]

I joked about having the incidental fairies from the 64 cutscenes as masks but I didn’t think they’d actually do it

[tulip hamlet]

My biggest gripe with the masks is that we where robbed of the DL3 animal friends counterparts

Like we got Pick, grey coo, mine, but where are the other 3?

[severe igloo]

Is odd that Nago of all animal friends has sound clips

[fleet osprey]

they should keep these nostalgia customization options in future games

[junior mesa]

where is that|| last track in the jukebox used?
"Distant, shining, yellow star"
or is it just a neat remix hidden there||

[fleet osprey]

Kirby Clash does something similar

KF2 too kinda

[clever hull]

I’m guessing they reused the samples that star dream uses?

[severe igloo]

Did they just used recordings of Kumazaki's cat for Nago?

[fleet osprey]

i think so yeah

[severe igloo]

based honestly

[tulip hamlet]

Wait so nago just uses star dream clips lmaoo

[lost briar]

the default credits in the theater

[severe igloo]

I hope someone makes a Return to Dream Land Deluxe mask tier list template soon.

[lost briar]

the one you can look at before the one you get for beating the game

[junior mesa]

o really?
i never watched them lol
it sounds really nice tho

[lost briar]

yeah they've been consistently making exclusive remixes for those credits since Triple Deluxe

[junior mesa]

i never check the pre-end credits

[lost briar]

well, with SA it's technically also used in Guest Star's end of checkpoints but

still exclusive otherwise

[junior mesa]

still can't get over how good ||Mistilteinn w/out a Ruler|| is
typical kirby ost win

[tulip hamlet]

Kirby final boss OSTs literally never take Ls

[lost briar]

Triple Deluxe had a medley of Green Greens and Peanut Plains
Robobot had a remix of Grape Gardens
Star Allies had a remix of Yearning for Yellow
Forgotten Land had a medley of Alivel Mall, Running through the New World, and Welcome to the New World

[odd rover]

True

[tulip hamlet]

Ig Hyper Zone 2 was kinda wacky but its not bad

[celest grove]

||and it's just a big remix of CROWNED and Ordeal theme from Kirby Clash||

[fleet osprey]

alivel mall is peak kirby music

[tulip hamlet]

YES

Literally one of my fave tracks in the series

And from the looks of things it's becoming one of those tracks that they just reuse and remix a bunch (kinda like gourmet race) which makes me so happy

[junior mesa]

||Blue Blizzard ||

[vapid kestrel]

Nago had a voice in SA

[fleet osprey]

alivel mall is the main theme of Modern-Modern Kirby

[vapid kestrel]

And yes it was Kumazaki's cat again, can't rermember if it was the same clips as for Star Dream tho

[lost briar]

yeah that was funny

[fleet osprey]

the thing they have going on after FL

honestly one of the best additions of Modern-Modern Kirby is how much they've improved music titles

[tulip hamlet]

My fave final boss theme prob still Roche Limit though
The amount of detail they went through just to make sure part 1 can transition into part 2 and any point is bloody insane

[fleet osprey]

peak limit

[celest grove]

it's mostly that they include them now so they think seriously about it

[tulip hamlet]

fr tho

[lost briar]

Kumazaki has had at least two different cats right?

[fleet osprey]

vs star dream

[severe igloo]

Two treasure chests approach the Daroach Limit when?

[fleet osprey]

yeah the old one (star dream) sadly passed away

he has a new cat now

[odd rover]

Hey (Epilogue final boss theme) is it true that ||the word for “Canopy” in Kanji uses the characters for Tree and Crown and that’s why it’s in the English title?||

[celest grove]

||honestly that wouldn't surprise me from Kuma||

[junior mesa]

Roche Limit is amazing, but I've listened to it quite a bit and I think ||Mistilteinn|| might take its place over it for me tbh

[celest grove]

I still prefer Roche Limit

[vapid kestrel]

||It's also called a crown in english
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(botany) ||

[junior mesa]

personal preference

[celest grove]

ffs nature

[fleet osprey]

https://youtu.be/Paw4n5xmqxQ?t=280 they cooked with this part

[lost briar]

"hey Peter which is better, CROWNED or Roche Limit"

"doesn't matter Uncle Ben, Fatal Blooms is better than both of them "

[odd rover]

Also ||they’re not localizing out mythology references|| W

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah ||Mistilteinn|| is obs really good but I'd be mad surprised if anything beats Roche Limit for me personally any time soon

[odd rover]

Ah

[ocean mauve]

someone pointed this out in the comment section

|| The name "Mistilteinn" is both used for a sword from the Nordic mythology and a kind of tree. What is Mistilteinn: Magolor's ultra sword or Master Crown's final host? ||

[burnt marsh]

star dream still has the best final boss music imo

[fleet osprey]

i think they relied a bit too much on the ||Kirby Clash|| leitmotif, though its still an alright track

[burnt marsh]

i still think void termina is the best final boss overall

[tulip hamlet]

They're gonna make another "is it Kirby or Touhou quiz" soon and it'll be even harder lol

[junior mesa]

tbh the start of second phase / halfpoint has always felt like the weakest part of Roche Limit to me
but once it builds up to 5:03 it becomes peak

[burnt marsh]

but star dream's theme was godly

[vapid kestrel]

Roche Limit is my favorite final boss theme for sure
If you asked me during PR era I would've said I like VS Star Dream more than CROWNED but after SA I would've been unsure, and tbh nowadays I think I like CROWNED more
VS Star Dream is so good but like
The quality of the synths is so bad compared to CROWNED, really holds it back

[burnt marsh]

honestly my music standards arent very high

[fleet osprey]

they should go back to RtDL samples/soundfont

[ocean mauve]

vagrant counting song is one of my favorites

[lost briar]

Roche Limit is actually kinda jank to listen to in the actual boss battle with Fecto Elfilis

[burnt marsh]

sound quality doesnt really matter to me as long as the tune is good

[celest grove]

now I don't agree lol

[faint glen]

Weird way to spell moonstruck blossom

[fleet osprey]

roche limit is best experienced ingame

since it adapts to the fight

[burnt marsh]

roche limit is probably third best final boss theme

[ocean mauve]

i've still yet to listen to roche limit. waiting to surprise myself with it when i play the game lol

[burnt marsh]

crowned is #2 for me

[fleet osprey]

crowned is still god tier but i may be a bit burnt out from it

[vapid kestrel]

Hot take: Moonstruck Blossom and The World to Win are kind of mid
Midnight Moonlight is fucking banger but the actual in-game versions are eh

[fleet osprey]

we've been hearing it in every game lmao

[burnt marsh]

oh yeah moonstruck blossom

thats my actual 2nd favorite

forgot about that one

[faint glen]

Well i think vs star dream is kinda mid

[ocean mauve]

i thought moonstruck blossom was kinda lame when i was younger. i like it a bit more now

[fleet osprey]

i like moonstruck blossom

[lost briar]

the transition specifically just goes on loop for as long as the meteors until they stop

[burnt marsh]

understandable

[faint glen]

I like the phase 2 theme the most

[odd rover]

I’m lovin this Crowned Remaster the opening is clear as a window fr

[burnt marsh]

honestly as much as i love robobot i think it is quite possibly the most overrated kirby game in existence

[fleet osprey]

void termina theme is awesome (titan forms)

[vapid kestrel]

https://youtu.be/-Gqi7y_r444
This album remix is godly
But The actual songs as they are in game Im just ok with

[celest grove]

Honestly at this point, before I do the OST tags

[burnt marsh]

robobot being the best kirby game of all time in many peoples eyes never made sense to me

[celest grove]

I'm waiting for Yuki Shimooka's HAL blog post as Lead Music

[tulip hamlet]

https://youtu.be/Aa4GGPtHnfI

also shoutouts to this clip at 5:20 lmao

[broken rune]

hal be like “we can’t add scope shot because of gyro”
hal 5 minutes later: hanging with the besties!

[odd rover]

I like Moonstruck Blossom but I didn’t know those were supposed to be vocals until someone told me and I listened again

[faint glen]

I mean robobot is really cool i think still
What it did as a game is pretty brilliant
I do have some criticism that make me prefer tdx tho

[junior fiber]

love this clip

[fleet osprey]

my favorite modern kirby leitmotif ever is the Magolor Epilogue one

[tulip hamlet]

The timing is so gold lol

[junior mesa]

I also miss scope shot lol
it was such a fun mode & it has such potential for more bosses

[fleet osprey]

booming blasters is much more fun in coop imo

[junior mesa]

why not both

[fleet osprey]

yeah

[burnt marsh]

gonna be honest

[junior fiber]

is this song in itself a motif of something or is it entirely new because its hard to tell sometimes

[fleet osprey]

both is the ideal choice

[junior mesa]

they're different games they just have the same looking blaster

[burnt marsh]

never liked ninja dojo or scope shot

[junior mesa]

tbh

[celest grove]

||I love how they talk about a hard Whispy Woods fight in #kirby-kingdom ||

[fleet osprey]

that part in the beginning is new

it's been used in various epilogue tracks

lemme get another one

[burnt marsh]

though tbf i may have just ruined ninja dojo for myself because of my thousands of attempts at trying to perfect it

[ocean mauve]

||does squezzepig actually not know lol||

[tulip hamlet]

yeah ngl I also think robobot is kinda overrated

Its a brilliant game don't het me wrong but like, it really is just if triple deluxe had robots, I don't think the robobot suits where that bug of an upgrade, as cool as they where

[burnt marsh]

epic trollface

i dont like the robobot armor

like

at all

[fleet osprey]

||https://youtu.be/yKr-AKw-_aE?t=79|| timestamped

[burnt marsh]

robobot has higher highs than tdx

but tdx is more consistently fun for me

which is why they're tied for me

[fleet osprey]

its also in ||magolor's final blow|| track

[junior mesa]

but if they were to change one thing abt RtDX I'd probably want either a lower limit on the lives counter or just having it not save you lives count like in the original
Since the OG game was kinda under the assumption "oh yeah you'd need lives 'cause it resets when you close the game," but in DX you just accumulate 99 on normal & EX lol

[burnt marsh]

honestly i have so much i have to say about nearly every kirby game

[fleet osprey]

you do need lives on EX Mode

[junior mesa]

its not too big a problem, but it's just a minor thing I'd prefer

[fleet osprey]

especially in coop

[celest grove]

(Magolor Epilogue ending) ||I have a complaint about the ending, Magolor's Ultra Sword moment should have been longer||

[tulip hamlet]

Robobot armour is probably at the halfway point for me in terms of "single game gimmicks"

[junior mesa]

yes you do, but not 99 of them lol

takes the pressure off

[burnt marsh]

ik this is the rtdl dx chat but im so bored rn so yall mind if i just blab about why i love all the modern kirbies

[ocean mauve]

tdx i love but i just don't like hypernova im sorry. my least favorite super gimmick. i find robobot armor pretty fun to use, and rtdl's super abilities aren't amazingly fun but they feel better to control at least, and you get rewarded with an abilityless challenge after it which makes it feel worth it

[vapid kestrel]

I mean like
I'm not losing more lives than I'm gaining EX mode or not so I can't really care about lives becoming even more of a non-factor personally

[fleet osprey]

wait

is there anyone who likes hypernova?

genuinely asking

[burnt marsh]

mouthful mode still peak kirby gimmick

[vapid kestrel]

Im convinced anyone who says Hypernova is fun is a bot

[burnt marsh]

hypernova is the second worst gimmick in modern kirby imo

[celest grove]

Hypernova was a thing bound to happen in Kirby

[burnt marsh]

idk why i hate the armor so much

[fleet osprey]

mouthful mode is hypernova done right

[burnt marsh]

it has great moments for sure

[junior mesa]

hypernova had some interesting segments but they were just fine
not terrible, not amazingly innovative

[tulip hamlet]

My complaint is how they damn spoiled it in the final trailer like a day before the game came out

Like because of that 3 second clip I played the whole epilogue knowing exactly what the big conclusion was gonna be and I'm still kinda peeved

[junior fiber]

not sure why someone would hate the armour

[vapid kestrel]

Robobot > Mouthful > Super Abilities > Friend Actions > Hypernova fight me

[ocean mauve]

tbh yeah i'd just about agree

[junior mesa]

some people dislike that it appears so much
as opposed to just the standard kirby gameplay

[fleet osprey]

based

[junior fiber]

thats fair ig

[burnt marsh]

Mouthful > Super Abilities > Friend Actions > Hypernova > Robobot imo

[ocean mauve]

||oh my god they keep talking about the hypothetical hard whispy fight lmfao||

[pliant socket]

Hi.

[fleet osprey]

robobot armor is perfect

great puzzle potential,

[ocean mauve]

||I WANT to say something. I can't. but I want to||

[burnt marsh]

to each their own i guess

[fleet osprey]

robot-only setpieces on stages,

[clever hull]

I prefer hypernova to the friend abilities

[burnt marsh]

idk why i dislike it

[fleet osprey]

utilizes Kirby's main gimmick, being copy abilities, etc etc

[junior mesa]

I think I mostly agree w/ this -- Super Abilites are in a tough spot tho since it's more for the sake of being flashy before the AD section instead of "use in clever way" (for the most part)

[fleet osprey]

yeah it's fair to dislike it, everyone has their own taste

[ocean mauve]

snow bowl is easily the most fun super ability tbh

[clever hull]

The friend abilities just didn’t feel dynamic enough

[burnt marsh]

i think its just because it feels kind of clunky to me

[clever hull]

Outside of friend star

[burnt marsh]

and slow

[fleet osprey]

can we all agree on that grand hammer is the most boring super ability in gameplay

[tulip hamlet]

Also when I said halfway point I was including old games too like the animal friends and 64 ability mixing

If we just mean the modern games it's quickly my second favourite after star allies

[burnt marsh]

maybe if it wasnt used so constantly i would like it more

i get that that's the point

[faint glen]

this name is so peak

[burnt marsh]

its to keep the gameplay from feeling samey

[ocean mauve]

jump over thing, shake the controller, repeat

[burnt marsh]

but i love the main kirby gameplay loop way more

[faint glen]

unironically most characterization of magolor in the game lmao

[burnt marsh]

that i wouldnt have minded if it was situational like the others

[junior fiber]

had more fun with snow bowl than i expected

[vapid kestrel]

I don't care about being creative for the sake of being creative, Friend Actions and Hypernova actively annoy me for the sake of existing

[faint glen]

grand hammer does have the only legit puzzle fwiw

[tulip hamlet]

Monster Flame:

[junior fiber]

monster flame goes hard

[burnt marsh]

friend actions were... tolerable

[fleet osprey]

at least monster flame doesnt take 10 seconds to execute

[thin prairie]

I did not like the friend actions
They were just tedious

[faint glen]

yeah the issue with grand hammer is its too slow

[burnt marsh]

star allies still goated imo but friend actions were pretty mid

[junior fiber]

rizz actions

[junior mesa]

yeah, that's not to say that super abilities should've been lower
it's just interesting how the gimmicks have been handled differently

[burnt marsh]

also

am i the only one who gets peeved when people call the super abilities a kill button

like

[fleet osprey]

I love star allies but it has MAJOR issues with it's level design, I think the friend actions suffer from that actually

[burnt marsh]

it has tons of puzzles tied to it

[junior mesa]

grand hammer is fine if you don't max charge it each time tbh

[faint glen]

i think probably mouthful?>robobot>hypernova>super abilities>friend actions

[fleet osprey]

on their own they're uhh, tolerable

[junior mesa]

because you dont always need max charge

[faint glen]

mind you i did play single player

[tulip hamlet]

Monster Flame visually is awesome af

Gameplay wise it's a 2 second cutscene every time you want to attack something, atleast you can like, shake the remote with grand hammer and go down pits really quick

[burnt marsh]

i never understood the big difference between KSA's level design to the games prior

they all feel similar to me

[ocean mauve]

yeah super abilities aren't meant to be "Wow easy mode ability am i right!" they're just made to do puzzles

[faint glen]

to be fair

[ocean mauve]

snow bowl is the best though they didn't top it

[faint glen]

theres only like 2 actual puzzles lmao

[ocean mauve]

real lol

[faint glen]

with the super abilities

[vapid kestrel]

Where is there a vertical segment long enough that makes using grand hammer to go down it worth the time

[fleet osprey]

snow bowl would be peak if it worked on slopes properly

[ocean mauve]

the flare beam puzzles gave me trouble as a kid. im older now and they are really not that hard lol

ah fair point

[junior mesa]

lack of puzzles
lack of unique ideas
lack of innovating on ideas it does present
nothing to really make levels stand out much
etc.

[fleet osprey]

I think my favorite is Ultra Sword, just quick and simple

[tulip hamlet]

Still curious as to what the scrapped spark and cutter supers wouldve been like

I mean Cutter was probably just a massive cutter but spark could've been anything

[fleet osprey]

I think super spark is literally flare beam lmfao

[vapid kestrel]

Ultra Sword > Snow Bowl > Monster Flame > Grand Hammer > Flare Beam I think

[craggy sable]

I must say that this true arena do kinda be long

[junior mesa]

In terms of how fun they are for me it's probably
Snow Bowl > Flare Beam > Grand Hammer > Ultra Sword > Monster Flame
tbh

[fleet osprey]

im very happy with the current true arena

[tulip hamlet]

It's fun to think spark got reworked into flare beam, maybe kirby flew around himself instead of controlling a projectile

[fleet osprey]

was kind of blueballed by ||Master Crown||'s easy difficulty, but Magolor Soul makes up for it

[craggy sable]

But hey, at least I don't spend 6 minutes on a shooting segment because they designed a whole final boss around that

[thin prairie]

Snow Bowl > Flare Beam > Ultra Sword > Grand Hammer > Monster Flame
To be clear I don't hate any of them

[junior fiber]

||died to the master crown 4 times i think im bad at the game||

[fleet osprey]

i also think the function was the same

he just threw an energy ball

but they probably thought beam fits more to that

[junior mesa]

tbh i didn't find it as long as some of the others
my first attempt was only ~25 mins

[faint glen]

||im not a huge fan of it all ngl
like how rtdx true arena works in general||

[tulip hamlet]

I don't see that as much tbh

[faint glen]

||id rather have more drawn out fights with the harder bosses than shorter ones where u can only take damage like twice to keep going||

[junior fiber]

wish they pulled a hollow knight god home moment and let you practice against bosses individually

[ocean mauve]

i won't lie i knew i sucked at video games so i just used sand for true arena

[fleet osprey]

||if the epilogue had new minibosses I'd prefer there to be a third arena with a new master crown phase at the end||

[pliant socket]

Hypernova is peak imo, i love the puzzles (totally not bias)

[fleet osprey]

but as of now True Arena is pretty good

[faint glen]

||i still think they shouldve just made a 3rd arena even if it wouldve been ab it weird||

[craggy sable]

This truly is a boss endurance

[junior mesa]

true... ||if they beefed up the Epilogue boss HP values and then maybe dropped in an extra food item or two it'd have been more fun||

[tulip hamlet]

Hypernova was satisfying to press, but pretty repetitive

[clever hull]

I thought we’d get like, a true-r arena with all the epilogue bosses

[ocean mauve]

||goriath ex is harder than hydriath ngl||

[severe igloo]

I feel that Spark would've had different charging stages, the final one being a giant energy ball that travels to one direction, but for certain puzzles you are required to charge lesser charges to activate certain things.

[craggy sable]

It became less of beating the clock than it is a fight for survival

[glossy jay]

I kind of wish we fought the ||Master Crown|| not fused with anything, just whatever it's true form is

[fleet osprey]

we still tag epilogue bosses

[ocean mauve]

oh sry one sec

[fleet osprey]

you should tag this as well

[severe igloo]

As for Super Cutter, it might've been a giant cutter that its main gimmick is its ability to bounce between walls

[tulip hamlet]

||same ngl, it's weird how 5 of the bosses basically have two ex forms now||

[fleet osprey]

but yeah big agree

[junior fiber]

||wanna fight the green gem||

[craggy sable]

Kinda wish there was a legitimate rematch

[fleet osprey]

you know that move where ||the tree jumps at you||

[ocean mauve]

if you're hiding in the middle of the arena against goriath ex you have 0 time to react to that nuke attack. it's basically a punishment for abusing hide lmao. ||which makes it odd that NONE of the other bosses punish you for this||

[fleet osprey]

||then gets buried to show his eye||

I wish that was the final phase

and had actual attacks

[tulip hamlet]

||Isn't its true form literally just the crown? It can't do much on its own without a host I think that's the point||

[odd rover]

||Epilogue bosses really be kinda easy except the last three||

[junior mesa]

||if they spread out the arena more then sure
but I'd rather not have 99% of my screen covered by tree man lol||

[junior fiber]

||that was a whispy moment ||

[tulip hamlet]

A part of me wishes it possed whispy woods lol

[fleet osprey]

yeye of course

[ocean mauve]

||i like the symbolic meaning behind this. evil exists in the world but it can't do anything if you don't give it the power||

[vapid kestrel]

|| Honestly would've been cool to fight the crown directly without it wrapped around anything ||

[junior mesa]

was literally about to say it sounds like Whispy Soul lol

[coarse scaffold]

hang on i just came back, what do you mean three outfits???

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah it's a rlly cool message

[junior fiber]

||i remember the first time i saw the giant ass shadow i just panicked and blocked||

||got crushed||

[glossy jay]

I mean the Crown is probably like Majora's mask as it can't do anything by itself

[faint glen]

||two hardest bosses in the arena are fatty puffer ex and fiery puffer tbh||

[tulip hamlet]

Flowery Woods moment

[ocean mauve]

main outfit, microtransagolor, epilogue

[severe igloo]

Would be funny if one of his attacks is sticking a root into the stage, whoch then opens eyes and a mouth and acts as a tempoary Whispy Woods for some attacks

[vapid kestrel]

||You literally fight Majora's mask without a host as the final boss of Majora's Mask????||

[coarse scaffold]

YES

[junior fiber]

idk whats up with fatty puffer but i always get my ass kicked when fighting him

[craggy sable]

Man this talk of the final boss reminds me of something real funny...

[coarse scaffold]

oh my god im so dumb 😭

[glossy jay]

Oh lol

[severe igloo]

There's also Traitor Magolor and its EX form

[faint glen]

he moves around too much and is also invincible too much

[coarse scaffold]

you mean crowned??

[faint glen]

also he stays around the left or right sides a lot which makes him hard to hit with dash attacks

[tulip hamlet]

Pyribbit moment

[fleet osprey]

epilogue final boss is so fun to beat with max level dash

[tulip hamlet]

Damn the epilogue has alot of triple deluxe moments

[glossy jay]

Fuck Pyribbit and Fatty Puffer

[faint glen]

honestly pyribbit was more fun to fight than puffer cuz at least pyribbit moves while in the foreground less
(and also hammer was better lol)

[severe igloo]

Yes, the same in your pfp, the game refers to that form as "Traitor Magolor" for the masks.

[junior mesa]

||every epilogue boss dash is fun with except for Hydriath||

[broken rune]

||this song title is me about to spend 40 dollars on clash||

[coarse scaffold]

dude.. i've roasted goriath in pure rage and called them major insults bc their battle pissed me off so much 😭

[fleet osprey]

someone make a mod that replaces ||fiery puffer|| model with pyribbit

[coarse scaffold]

i did not know that

[craggy sable]

(Epilogue Final Boss)
||Because I unintentially predicted the idea of the crown using some special artifact or power to be its own entity to fight in my old fanfiction from last year||

[severe igloo]

Goriath almost giving me Pyribbit vibes

[junior mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/433463649609187336/1075906251571081348/82eaec12-8286-4097-992e-f37a82472a9f.gif

[ocean mauve]

god he's the worst

[faint glen]

i take too much damage from just bumping into bosses it probably happens more than their actual attacks lmao
back to kssu vibes with that

[broken rune]

every kirby game has the pyribbit curse now

[coarse scaffold]

RIGHT?!

😭

[junior fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-kirby-return-to-dreamland-adventure-wii-magolor-gif-27552775

[ocean mauve]

why does goriath ex get the hide breaker attack. why is it so fucking large. why does he do it so fast? Goddamn

[coarse scaffold]

HE'S SO HARD TO PREDICT

[broken rune]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26051005

[severe igloo]

Imagine if we got a Pyribbit mask

[tulip hamlet]

Why does this gif exist lmao

[ocean mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920498813150593034/1074458004734349394/caption.gif

[craggy sable]

Why wouldn't it?

[vapid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-kirby-return-to-dreamland-adventure-wii-magolor-gif-27552776

[faint glen]

honestly goriath got kinda easier for me to fight than in the original for me lol idk why
but ||hydriath warping makes him really annoying to fight esp with stone lmao, even if hes honestly not always super threatening||

[junior fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-magolor-epilogue-kirby-adventure-wii-gif-27554962

[junior mesa]

because i slapped an image onto a gif maker

[fleet osprey]

the sticker will be added back as the spoiler policy ends btw

[broken rune]

elfilis about to remove the “no pyribbit-likes” streak and ruin an almost perfect game

[ocean mauve]

ah nice

[faint glen]

good

[vapid kestrel]

Technically we can't post these gifs b/c they have to be spoiler tagged

[craggy sable]

Go to jail

Immediately

[faint glen]

cant u also like

[fleet osprey]

me and faye also had to change our pfps

[junior mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[coarse scaffold]

||i recently before the game release wrote the master crown as a parasite that can be communicated with, it's just that magolor never did bc it hated him for a reason i forgor||

[faint glen]

see old posts in no spoilers thread anyways

[junior fiber]

what if we played magolor epilogue in jail....

[severe igloo]

Kirby bosses when at half health

[ocean mauve]

even if it was shown in trailers we still spoiler tag it? ig it makes sense bc that One Kirby jp tweet shows something that's REALLY spoilery lmao

[faint glen]

anti piracy measures

[fleet osprey]

the whole situation is so confusing, so we just treat every epilogue content as spoilers

[ocean mauve]

that's fair

[fleet osprey]

whether they were officially revealed or not

[faint glen]

pirating games is a CRIME now YOU are in AD hell

[coarse scaffold]

in the original, even on main mode i hated him, he's the reason i never beat the arena or extra mode until a month ago

[faint glen]

omg this is cute

fucking egg

[craggy sable]

"Not done with you yet, get over here"

[ocean mauve]

like ||i don't think Eletricky Dooter's name was revealed before, but hydriath's was, but both of them were shown off. and it's weird and confusing so it's best just to put an umbrella spoiler ban over all of them lol||

[coarse scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/arrow-dynamic-seal-meme-gif-18647415

[severe igloo]

Electricky Dooter be like

[faint glen]

||i think things would be simpler if hal didnt just LOVE SPOILING THEIR OWN GAMES||

[craggy sable]

Oop

[fleet osprey]

hal showing Lab Discovera at the second trailer

[severe igloo]

For real, why did the demo showed the Sphere Doomers from Epilogue

[fleet osprey]

by the way Lab Discovera is the best looking kirby environment holy shit who designed this thing

[broken rune]

hal be like i should put the only new content in a direct that thousands of people will see

[fleet osprey]

whats that skybox

[craggy sable]

But man if I had a quarter for every time HAL ||Uses footage right before or right after the final boss...||, I'd at least get 3 dollars best

[severe igloo]

They also show Magolor on the portal opened in the ending of his mode in another trailer thing

[coarse scaffold]

yo, tell me i aint the only one who sees sphere doomers as minor cuddle material

[faint glen]

YEAH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

WE WERE ALL LIKE

[coarse scaffold]

they look so squishy

[fleet osprey]

peak visuals

[faint glen]

OMG WHAT BOSS IS GONNA COME OUT OF THE PORTAL

NOPE ITS HIM LEAVING AFTERWARDS

[ocean mauve]

SIDE note about the epilogue bosses
||does anyone feel like each one is meant to resemble a part of magolor's design? eletricky dooter's face and eyes look similar, puffer has the gear on its tummy, hydriath has the eyes again that also turn red like magolor's, doomers have the gears again, and crowned doomer is his crowned form||

[faint glen]

true

[fleet osprey]

yeah I've talked about this a lot before release, its super cool

[faint glen]

||well they all have gears. but yeah theres similarities||

[fleet osprey]

also notice how the fans are designed like magolor's ears

[coarse scaffold]

that would make sense as a subtle little detail

[fleet osprey]

my theory is that ||Epilogue Another Dimension area is where Ancients lived||

[tulip hamlet]

Fr tho don't anybod else feel this or was I like the only one unfortunate enough to see it before release ;-;

[fleet osprey]

||so they have some stuff resembling Magolor, which would be shared artifacts/attributes||

[craggy sable]

I do wonder though...
(Epilogue Lore)
||Was the Master Crown responsible for the creation of these bosses?||

[vapid kestrel]

Wait
For the Landia ability pause screen
Is it using the fucking Wii models

[celest grove]

||That said I gotta admit it is weird to play a Kirby mode where the ambience is sort of tense from start to end||

[coarse scaffold]

oh god IF I MAKE THAT A HEADCANON MY ENTIRE STRUCTURE FOR ANCIENT CHARACTERS IS GOING TO CRUMBLE

[coarse scaffold]

||would make sense||

[vapid kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587888462011564033/1080215643883851856/image.png
I don't have a better image but
These are the wii models arent they

[tulip hamlet]

I always thought the ancients lived in Egg Engines

[faint glen]

||tbh my only criticism about the epilogue itself aside from the fact that if u leave to upgrade stuff for master crown u have to fight both bosses again lol was that . they spent all of their available space in the pause descriptions hyping up this "boss" person who apparently is controlling all these guys
only to reveal its just a character already in the game with little actual character lol
i was a bit disappointed at crowned doomer
but i do agree that afterwards, master crown was the perfect way to end it||

[fleet osprey]

||Master Crown bg shares some elements with Egg Engines||

also Halcandra is in Another Dimension

[junior fiber]

||i need to know what caused that hell storm on halcandra||

[coarse scaffold]

yo hol up there's smth i needa mention

[faint glen]

another dimension or another dimension

or another dimension

[tulip hamlet]

Also Magolor himself is an egg who has connections to the ancients so

[vapid kestrel]

Wait no I guess the ReDx model just... fucking sucks ass

[fleet osprey]

yes

kirby lore

[craggy sable]

(More Magolor Epilogue Lore + Final Boss)
||But my question is, how the hell does the Master Crown know about Gem Apples?||

[fleet osprey]

spyro ps1

[clever hull]

I think that was ||the grand doomer, not the crown||

[coarse scaffold]

||yk how magolor opens a portal to popstar from halacandra||
||why does the portal lead to another dimension still?||
||ALSO HOW DOES GRAVITY WORK THERE||

[clever hull]

||The crown just so happened to be there||

[coarse scaffold]

yes

[junior fiber]

||still cant believe they did all of this just to explain gem apples||

||100% sure no one on earth was begging to know||

[vapid kestrel]

Much higher poly model that they use for the boss battle

[craggy sable]

But isn't that because ||The grand doomer is attracted to anything that's full of energy or power?||

[coarse scaffold]

||doesn't that also apply to sphere doomers?||

[broken rune]

||easy, the halcandra portal was displaying the popstar portal in the boss fight ||

[clever hull]

||Probably yeah||

||IIRC the sphere doomers alongside the epilogue bosses were sent out to find the slices||

[coarse scaffold]

||but they go into the portal to popstar, the one magolor made on halacandra right after taking the master crown, but they're lead to another dimension??||

[clever hull]

||Also wait it explains what gem apples are? I thought they were just used thematically||

[tulip hamlet]

||Tbf I feel making a whole ass extra game mode just to give lore to a pay-to-win currency in a somewhat obscure spin off is a very HAL thing to do||

[junior fiber]

it is

[vapid kestrel]

Another Dimension is a road between Popstar and Halcandra

[craggy sable]

Then again,
(MagoLore)
||These may have all been the products of the Master Crown...||

[ruby plaza]

What a kind, thoughtful fellow

[broken rune]

||yes, like looking through two magnifying glasses. AD is just the space between the two magnifying glasses||

[coarse scaffold]

i-
HOLY SHIT WHAT

[junior fiber]

i like the new dialogue they gave him

[coarse scaffold]

BUT ISNT HALACANDRA CONSIDERED TO BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION STILL??

[granite cedar]

i mean i kinda get it, you would never see them up-close in the gameplay so there is no point in making them super high poly

[clever hull]

I thought Halcandra was just another planet

[clever hull]

Not in another dimension just somewhere else

[coarse scaffold]

💀

[junior fiber]

kirby probably would've shrugged it off if he actually said they were easy targets

[severe igloo]

||I think Another Dimension simply exists as a plane between all dimensions, so if the characters from Kirby Clash were to travel to it, it'd be the same Another Dimension from the main Kirby series||

[craggy sable]

He's Another Dimension, You're Another Dimension, I'm Another Dimension!

Is there anyone else that is Another Dimension?

[coarse scaffold]

landia-

[vapid kestrel]

No

Halcandra is another world that you reach through Another Dimension

[junior fiber]

there's this one really good depiction someone made of another dimension but i cant find it

[tulip hamlet]

||I thought Magolor amassed an area in the centre of the galaxy himself to take control of the universe, hence it breaking down once he's defeated||

[coarse scaffold]

????
bro imma need a diagram to explain this bs bro this is so confusing

[broken rune]

yeah i think that’s how it works too, explains all the parallels and stuff in SA and clash

[coarse scaffold]

i-
that would make sense, but doesn't explain the popstar portal

[vapid kestrel]

Text from RtDL Wii:
Eng:
I come from a distant land…
It lies at the end of an
interdimensional tunnel
connected to your planet.
Jp:
My homeland is far away… It’s just past Another Dimension Road that connects with this star.

[clever hull]

Another dimension (referring to the place and not actually another dimension)

[severe igloo]

Is Halcandra in a different dimension or is just so far away in the universe that it might just be easier to travel to it by portals?

[craggy sable]

Another Dimension is too broad

[broken rune]

far away, think of the interdimensional tunnel as a wormhole

[vapid kestrel]

Text from RtDL Dx:

[broken rune]

similar to how ripple star is far away

[coarse scaffold]

i think i hit my brain capacity, my braincells boutta start heading out

[severe igloo]

They should really call Another Dimension something else because it makes conversations about it semantically complicated

[odd rover]

Yep another dimension

another dimension vs Another Dimension

[broken rune]

so halcandra isn’t in Another Dimension, but it is in another dimension?

[junior fiber]

but it looked like this

[odd rover]

Yes

[craggy sable]

Hey now that you brought this up...

That last sentence seems odd

[coarse scaffold]

tru

[severe igloo]

So Halcandra exists in a sort of pocket dimension, or maybe it has been intentionally sealed off to reach through normal means to more effectively protect the master crown from thieves.

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah it's weird, they word things as if something exists in another dimension, when what they mean to say is you have to go in another dimension to get there

Anything thats actually in another dimension is made obvious by the fact that the space is entirely warped but I do still think the other side is just a parallel world

Hence their being 2 earths (Shiver Star being Kirby's dimension and Forgotten Land being parallel)

Of course this is mostly all headcanon because paralel world lore is unfailingly confusing as hell in any game lol

[odd rover]

I hate the pop culture usage of dimension so I call them universes. I’m calling them dimensions for the sake of the conversation

[vapid kestrel]

Basically
Another Dimension is a dimension that just exists as a road to many other worlds, and on the very opposite ends of that road are Popstar's world and Halcandra's world,

[craggy sable]

No, they're not ||a branch of Elfilis folk|| I mean that seems too crazy in terms of evolution

[vapid kestrel]

And that's it basically

[lost briar]

||all the bosses have gears in their design||

[junior fiber]

the dimension mirror is related to AD in some way right

[odd rover]

You can see from the Halcandra map there’s stars and stuff so it’s a normal universe

[craggy sable]

But they do share some parallels... mainly the inclusion of a unique Feather pattern

[tulip hamlet]

I like to think the mirror world is blatantly the same one with the Forgotten Land but there's zero evidence to support that

[odd rover]

Fecto Elfilis aka Grander Doomer

[coarse scaffold]

only epilogue bosses?

[severe igloo]

Could Patch Land from Epic Yarn be reachable through Another Dimension then?

[celest grove]

I doubt it

[odd rover]

Oh yeah we have no idea if the Mirror World is a pocket dimension that reflects just Dream Land, Popstar, or the whole universe

[celest grove]

it's literally inside a magic sock

[clever hull]

I thought the sock was just a portal

[craggy sable]

Why use a special mirror when we can just... use the Lor?

[severe igloo]

It seems that Mirro World might just be a pocket dimension

[junior fiber]

what happens to patch land if i light the sock on fire

[celest grove]

I think the sock is literally it

[tulip hamlet]

That being said the treasure road portals in Forgotten Land and the Dimension portals in this game I'm like 99% sure are the same thing

[broken rune]

what happens if i cut a hole in the other end of the magic sock

[celest grove]

I think you would burn Patch Land

[odd rover]

Doom

[severe igloo]

But maybe every planet has their own Mirror World?

[junior fiber]

oopsie

[craggy sable]

You just broke the door

[junior fiber]

silly me

[junior fiber]

hopefully its just that

[novel fog]

isn't the sock in Patch Land too though? so it seems to just be a portal

[vague pumice]

Quick question, what changes are made to the true arena in this game?