[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[leaden terrace]

maybe waddle dees would be like important NPCs in the game

[celest grove]

because Forgotten Land literally was that way to differenciate itself

"you're not in Dream Land, you're in a new 3D world"

[granite cedar]

after much thinking i honestly think forgotten land was in literally different land not just to differentiate itself

[lost briar]

we only had to save waddle dees to begin with because they felt like they could make the basic enemy themed around the new world
and if they got rid of waddle dees entirely that wouldn't be good for the series

[granite cedar]

but also because they wanted to save dream land for when they have more experience with making 3d action games

[leaden terrace]

omg

i cant imagine what itd look like if they had already mastered the new formula

[granite cedar]

also to avoid using any established cast outside of literally just main cast

[leaden terrace]

itd prob be too good for our eyes

[granite cedar]

i mean in all honesty

they can literally just make up new enemy every time

[celest grove]

you'll see Kirby Air Ride 2 and it'll be the most beautiful thing

[leaden terrace]

waaaaaaa

[granite cedar]

even if next game is set in dream land, it will still have some sort of secondary underlying theme

[leaden terrace]

HD DRAGOON...

[granite cedar]

if anything

making new main enemy every game is actually brilliant

...because they can sell plushies of them

[leaden terrace]

it seems like they were already on set with that

considering halcandees.

babies

[granite cedar]

they already did this every game before FL anyway

its just new variants usually debuted in late game

[leaden terrace]

If we just keep getting more and more dee variants every game

that would be so appreciated

[granite cedar]

that said

[leaden terrace]

wed have a full roster of the dees

[granite cedar]

if waddle dees go back to being enemies next 3d game

expect some sort of justification for this, this time around

[plain hound]

so the "boss" described in epilogue

[granite cedar]

rtdl dx got away with it because its literally just a remake of an older game

[plain hound]

it was talking about the crowned doomer right?

[granite cedar]

yeah

fat doomer

[plain hound]

knew it thx

[leaden terrace]

mafioso doomer...

[granite cedar]

i like how pause descriptions in epilogue build up to the climax like this

[plain hound]

cant believe he talked to fiery puffer no way

[granite cedar]

setting up a mystery of who that boss is

[leaden terrace]

was it supposed to like

[plain hound]

WAIT THAT MEANS HE CAN SPEAK??

[leaden terrace]

||let you down when you find out that boss is just... oh its crowned doomer...||

[plain hound]

[granite cedar]

and then rampaging doomers' description is actually brilliant

it goes "oh those doomers need to bring fruit slices to the boss... but wait, haven't we already met doomers' boss???"

and it all clicks lol

[leaden terrace]

BWAHAHAH YEA I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[plain hound]

my god grand doomer can speak

[leaden terrace]

i completely forgot about that LOL

[plain hound]

i do wonder how the master crown attaches and gets summonded

was it because grand doomer was tainted with pieces of the crown?

[late root]

Hello guys, watcha talkin today?

[vocal latch]

||Thank fuck they fixed "This one's huge!"||

[granite cedar]

yeah they fixed all weird descriptions

[leaden terrace]

He is quite huge tho 😌

[granite cedar]

now ssu remake please so they can fix

he likes shiny things!!!

[vocal latch]

Isn't that in JP too tho

[plain hound]

but yeah can someone explain HOW the master crown just shows up out of nowhere

[lost briar]

||honestly it confused me because i have no clue where the doomer even comes from or why it even wants the fruit||

||like the shards appear to take over the apple but then it says the doomer was being powered by the crown||

||and then the doomer is completely ilrelevant because it goes away and the crown takes over the fruit when it disappears||

[granite cedar]

nope

[leaden terrace]

||it followed magolor||

[granite cedar]

in jp there was some sort of lore

[vocal latch]

Well I guess we can get more interesting lore now

[granite cedar]

but i forgor

because who cares about wham bam jewel

[plain hound]

OHHH

[granite cedar]

not this guy

[plain hound]

I GET IT

[vocal latch]

Oh yeah KSSU also had really bad translation on some parts

Main Cannon #2

[plain hound]

the grand doomer took the apple as the master crown attempted to control it

[leaden terrace]

||master crown really seems to like apples huh||

[queen rune]

I was almost certain that HAL was going to implement Magolor's beta design into Deluxe somehow like they did Morpho knight.

[lost briar]

like i can figure out is that ||the apple is life energy and stuff and the doomer is attracted to it but its like
is the Crowned Doomer supposed to be always there, just powered up by the crown or is the crown taking the form of the Doomer||

[plain hound]

watch that be in the next 3D game as a wizard attempting to release GK

[lost briar]

||oh well i bet there'll be a nintendo dream interview in 3 months that explains what is going on in more depth||

[celest grove]

||Guys, the yellow thing at the intro where Magolor is transported, that's the Master Crown's remains||

[leaden terrace]

and dying immediately never to be seen again

[vocal latch]

Yeah I noticed that when the trailer came out and went

[leaden terrace]

||i never even realized they were the crown's remains so when i saw people talk about it i was like "waot what???"||

[leaden terrace]

||like how did yall notice it. the crown literally faded out. i thought it was a GONER||

[vocal latch]

I made a gif for Magologue intro when trailer came out ||then noticed the gold shards ||

[queen rune]

I kind of wish ||True Magolor Soul DID have like a different color scheme, at least in his second phase. But then again that might have ruined the surprise a bit. it losing Magolor's eyes and only having the Dark matter eye is raw though.||

[leaden terrace]

i even looked ati t and thought ||"oh must just be random star pieces hahaha"||

[lost briar]

||i still just dunno why the elemental bosses are supposed to be underlings of the doomers either but i guess i'm not supposed to think hard about that||

[celest grove]

||I think everyone is an underling of the Master Crown||

[leaden terrace]

personally you cant get better than what we already got

magolor soul is just

too good

[queen rune]

Fair

[leaden terrace]

||just the eyes closing for the evil eye to open up is more than enough for me, that is just AGHHH||

[queen rune]

||That's another thing I was wondering. WHO exactly was the elementals' boss? part of me highly doubts it was just the grand doomer||

[queen rune]

||Yeah, it was a sick as hell moment||

[celest grove]

||I just think the Master Crown did everything, once it was on Magolor it knows who everyone is||

[queen rune]

In addition ||having Inner Struggle play in the final rest area was also a great moment of building tension. It immediately lets you know "Yeah, this ISN'T going to be like the base game's True Arena.||

[celest grove]

||it just became as sentient as Star Dream was||

[leaden terrace]

damnn

||if that is true, then master crown would be even more threatening||

[celest grove]

spoiler tag

[leaden terrace]

forgot

[elfin sapphire]

Sorry to interrupt but I’m braving the spoiler channel to say I have a problem, I literally have only had this game for 5 hours

[leaden terrace]

||this coupled with every single thing in the final boss fight... they really had a complete vibe to go with||

[elfin sapphire]

If I did accidentally press the button right away probably would have all the missions done

[lost briar]

all i can figure about the story is that

||Magolor is looking for Fruit Fragments to restore his life energy
The Crowned Doomer is also looking for them because Doomers love energy and also they're the bosses of elemental bosses for some reason
when the crowned doomer is defeated it leaves behind the apple and the master crown, and the master crown, without a being to control, uses and amplifies the power of the apple to manifest as a tree||

am i getting this right?

[celest grove]

||oh wow I didn't actually notice the buildings crumbling in the background during Master Crown fight||

[lost briar]

thinking about confusing alliances reminded me of something

how D-Mind and Parallel Susie have the same symbol on their weapons and the only thing they have in common is like, that black mirror (in Nintendo Dream exclusive lore, woo! no indication at all in-game)

and how that was never elaborated upon

not even in SKC

actually especially not even in SKC

they have no reason to be connected in that game

[late root]

you got it right all right

[unkempt moat]

Oh there

Just finished maglor prologue

And I'm kinda dissatisfied

[lost briar]

because it was short?

[granite cedar]

Hype responsibly moment

[lost briar]

it is called an epilogue so i wasn't expecting even half of what the main game offered

[granite cedar]

I lowkey think the length was just right?

[lost briar]

it is still pretty short though

[granite cedar]

Like id prefer concetrated but enjoyable piece of content than bloat

[lost briar]

the main stages themselves are really short compared to an average stage

[austere willow]

Girl

magolor faded out

HE SHOULDVE BEEN GONE

and the fandom considered him dead until Dream Collection

[leaden terrace]

not wrong not wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fleet prism]

Guys, you might want to sit down for this one,
I just solved the Magolor timeline

[austere willow]

why not the Crown

[leaden terrace]

i rly thought the master crown was a goner forever lol

[austere willow]

honestly makes me wonder what other little pieces can come back

[leaden terrace]

i dont wanna imagine

[lost briar]

we did already see the Dreamstalk being used to revive Sectonia

and also somehow also Dark Matter from.. something?

i dunno where that sample came from

[fleet prism]

From gooey maybe lol

[vocal latch]

I've seen people propose it could also be from Dedede

Because he was possessed by Dark Matter

[austere willow]

gooey isnt KDL2/3 dark matter

[leaden terrace]

he got that dawk matter in him

[lost briar]

they got the sample while kirby was sleeping because kirby is dark matter!!!

[leaden terrace]

so true!!?!?/

[granite cedar]

Twice

And specifically by swordsman variety

[austere willow]

are you people seen to propose the idea

[leaden terrace]

i still find it so interesting that they couldnt fully replicate his true form

[granite cedar]

I think like it would be the most logical explanation since they already had his dna

[granite cedar]

I'm actually not the first who came up with this

Mainly because I don't give a shit about robobot lore to think hard about it

[leaden terrace]

same tbh

im much more a magolor and taranza fan 🤭

so naturally i think about them more

[granite cedar]

Yeah like

[vocal latch]

Biggest brain: Magolor hid a sample of Dark Matter Blade DNA somewhere to make gears and masks based on it, but then Susie took that data

[granite cedar]

MK is barely used and Susie can fall into a sewer and i wouldn't care

[leaden terrace]

now whered he get THAT DNA

[nimble urchin]

Magolor: finally, I got rid of the ||Master crown!||
Kirby clash Landia: Are you sure about that

[vocal latch]

Time travel ‼️

[leaden terrace]

that implies he stole it from susie

[vocal latch]

He had a short HyperZone vacation

[leaden terrace]

who then steals it from him

then he steals it from susie

then she steals it back from him

[plain hound]

He played the Mr. Shine and Mr. Bright minigame to get the sample

[lost briar]

truly this is why we need a Susie Epilogue to make her a more popular character

just as the KirbyJP twitter intended

[leaden terrace]

i like susie the way she is tbh

maybe she should be fleshed out just a little more

[granite cedar]

thing with susie

[leaden terrace]

to maybe show an actual sympathetic side of her

[granite cedar]

is that she has a chance to be super entertaining antagonist

but as she is in robobot i care about other characters more

literally every piece of media outside of the games made susie more endearing than robobot lmao

[leaden terrace]

susie's just a girl and thats as girl as you can get

like

a NORMAL GIRL

[granite cedar]

i wouldnt call her normal

lmao

[leaden terrace]

true

but she acts like one at least

[plain hound]

dont care + zan ratio

[austere willow]

shes a girlboss? im sorry?

[granite cedar]

normal girl is adeleine. or closest thing to one

[leaden terrace]

but yeah it doesnt like

make her too special or anything

thats prob why she didnt stand out as much

[vocal latch]

I wish she was in the background of the Mecha Knight+ fight to control Meta Knight with the remote
That's give us a trilogy of "battle before final boss where the antagonist controls something you're trying to rescue"

[austere willow]

I think Susie rn is in a spot where Magolor is in before RtDL DX

a character thats basically underused but very clear like. personality

[leaden terrace]

yeah

and i think she was just simply not given the opportunities to flesh herself out more the way magolor and taranza did

[lost briar]

i never really liked how she's basically running away from the mistake she caused

somehow i feel like if they made a Susie Epilogue they would address that in some way so that she starts maturing up or something

but somehow i get the feeling they'd do a Susie prologue instead to focus on that time she was in another dimension

[austere willow]

we dont know much about her otehr than what we already got through in Robobot

[plain hound]

srs missed out on using her as friend to introduce tech

[leaden terrace]

taranzas like

more fleshed out than everyone else and he was only that somewhat important in like 1 game or 2 lol

[austere willow]

Taranza's not really fleshed out in the games

Taranza's fleshed out via the same place Magolor gets his restart

[lost briar]

and if they focus on that time she was in another dimension then they get to bring back parallel susie and they can make out or something idk clash lore

[granite cedar]

see thats the thing

unlike susie i wouldnt say magolor was underused

he was ambigious but not underused

[leaden terrace]

well hes not too nuanced a character for sure, but they really loved showing that side of him that misses sectonia

[granite cedar]

now susie is underused

[austere willow]

ok

not underused

[leaden terrace]

that they cant help but express it like

[austere willow]

unexplored

[leaden terrace]

every time he appears

[granite cedar]

fair

[leaden terrace]

so in a way, hes fleshed out really

[austere willow]

even then Taranza and Susie have been appearing like

[lost briar]

Susie is like

a hugely hyped up character

who ends up underdelivering

[austere willow]

theyve been referenced nearly every game besides FL

[unkempt moat]

Oh no it wasn't about the length

[lost briar]

oh so it was about the story

[unkempt moat]

It was about the lack of story/reason

[austere willow]

like Magolor, Taranza and Susie considering what they are as characters in the franchise

[leaden terrace]

yeah i suppose thats the case with susie

[unkempt moat]

I expected more inner dialog for maglor

[leaden terrace]

i rly wonder what they might do with her in the future

[unkempt moat]

Reflecting about his sins and stuff

[austere willow]

Magolor and Taranza have gotten enough limelight to explore what they are

epsecially now in RtDX

[plain hound]

hmmm reminds me of a certain jester

[unkempt moat]

It doesn't feel like maglor ever learned something

[austere willow]

where Magolor basically has an actual story arc

[leaden terrace]

tbh marx's not meant to be more than what he already was

[austere willow]

with views into his inner thoughts and motivations

[leaden terrace]

at least i dont think he is

[unkempt moat]

He just got his powers back and is back to dreamland

[leaden terrace]

i think hes great the way he is and delivers his role as his character well

[plain hound]

Marx and Susie fans with all the no character on the table

[lost briar]

Marx's also not really in a game that can afford to have him at the center of the story

[austere willow]

Taranza has been characterized as grieving even if the Clash one is a parallel version

[unkempt moat]

Susie has the most Character ever

[leaden terrace]

so true!

[unkempt moat]

And is backed up with external media too

[austere willow]

but otherwise Taranza's been characterized as a smarts anxious nerd

[unkempt moat]

Who still mourns about his gf

[austere willow]

like i actually still dont know what Taranza's personality is besides anxious nerd

[lost briar]

Marx is still overrated but its not for any fault of his game

[austere willow]

and yet there's more places to explore with Taranza

and partially explored

[leaden terrace]

he likes to keep himself clean? hes learning to move on? hes gullible? maybe something like that

[austere willow]

Susie... Susie just gets like 1 game rn and then Battle Royale she cameos for. some reason. and became the host of the Twitter at some point

then Star Allies appearance

she's never been like

[granite cedar]

did you even watch the credits

[unkempt moat]

He is learning to move on by trying to hit with the other girls and failing

[late root]

||So, here's the relationship with the modern kirby game trio, (a.k.a. Magolor, Taranza and Susie)||

||Magolor maybe tried to conquer Floralia for himself at some point which puts Taranza and him in a weird position if it really did happen...||

||Magolor hates Susie because she stole some gem apples (good for her, those apples were expensive) from him, then make some ice related dessert for her to enjoy...||

[austere willow]

anything

the closest thing Susie gets is that there's a parallel version of her

[lost briar]

she was the host of the twitter up until Star Allies which means she was partially presenting Clash, Blowout Blast, and Battle Royale at some point

[granite cedar]

i think my issue with susie the most is that while magolor (pre-dx) and taranza are arguably as unexplored, left hanging etc

[austere willow]

and that they become president somehow

[leaden terrace]

yeah thats the thing they didnt like do anything interesting with her character

[austere willow]

yeas

[granite cedar]

susie is LITERALLY having no resolution of any sort

she just.

leaves

in robobot

[lost briar]

she doesn't even take responsibility

[granite cedar]

magolor "died" in rtdl, taranza joins the heroes in the climax

susie leaves.

this is not satisfying

[leaden terrace]

thats what im saying you guys, shes not like a girl who feels bad for her father or what she did

or anything

shes just a girl

and she probably doesnt care about your feelings

[austere willow]

She's a girlboss

[unkempt moat]

Well she wasn't expecting anything back

[lost briar]

"this is your problem now pinky! do it for everyone, so i don't have to"

[leaden terrace]

gaslight gatekeep girlboss!!

i mean

it only makes sense

shes working in the company

[unkempt moat]

But later she would return because she can't not stop loving the desserts from pop star

[leaden terrace]

shes a very busy woman who clearly has no time for games

[late root]

literally a girlboss lmao

[leaden terrace]

so she casually just travels through universes just to get some gem apples

[plain hound]

okay but like does susie know about the gem apples seeing that she eats them in SA

[late root]

deceptive egg's very annoyed of her for doing that lmao

[lost briar]

Another Dimension when it becomes the connection between literally everything in the series

[leaden terrace]

considering she specifically goes to dream kingdom to eat them yeah

most likely

[plain hound]

a fucking demon became the apple and you eat it girl what

[leaden terrace]

i do wonder if they do have some plans for her in the future?

[lost briar]

which i mean i guess was implied with Galacta Knight already

[austere willow]

the demon possessed the apple not became

[vocal latch]

MAGOLOR (https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/jlkj/special/index.html)
中に入っタラ、ピンクのオンナノコが、売り物のジェムリンゴを勝手にシャーベットにシテ食べてるシ、ボクもうビックリしチャッタ。
I was so surprised when I went inside and saw a pink girl eating Gem Apples that were for sale, turning them into sherbet.

FRANCISCA (https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1090082144091688961)
秘書スージーはジェムリンゴシャーベット！
Secretary Susie is a Gem Apple Sherbet!

[austere willow]

Anyway

[granite cedar]

yeah but it doesnt make for good storytelling

[austere willow]

yeah Susie kinda just fucks off

no like real arc for her in her own game

[lost briar]

||from what i can tell the Master Crown became the tree because the Crowned Doomer it was controlling disappeared, leaving only the apple so it just takes over that||

[austere willow]

but like. I think that what makes her different from the rest

[plain hound]

seeing that Magolor and Mages got their ending and Kumazaki doesnt care for any other dream friends outside of his own and Popstar Gang i could possibly see something for 3DS duo

[late root]

||idk how plant growth spurt works, how could an apple be a tree in a matter of seconds just because a crown possessed it||

[granite cedar]

i mean im OK with susie not learning anything and staying a bitch

[leaden terrace]

i feel that is the point, and idk if its for better or for worse

[granite cedar]

my issue is that i dont like how it was executed

[unkempt moat]

Fighting a fucking tree in magolor epilogue surely has some sort of message

[granite cedar]

i think susie is a good example that some people are just not good. and thats fine. kirby cant change everyone by simply being himself

[unkempt moat]

Like how kirby mostly starts fighting a tree

[plain hound]

Robobot's Ending is a cliffhanger that never got resolved there's the issie

[granite cedar]

but like. take advantage of this then?

[leaden terrace]

if they like showed more of her already established traits like her interest in meta knight/mecha knight or being just, a girl doing girl things

[granite cedar]

make her a villain again

[unkempt moat]

Magolor ends his journey by fighting one

[leaden terrace]

itd be so much better

LOL itd be so hilarious if susie actually becomes a villain in mainline

again

[austere willow]

I think Magolor is an example of character going through an arc and literally just staying the same

[late root]

robobot 2 😳

[granite cedar]

it would be fitting

[plain hound]

Kumazaki doesnt really LIKE recurring things i noticed??

[unkempt moat]

More like a team rocket kind of villain, she just mischievously turns things into mecha which kirby undoes after defeating

[austere willow]

i think thats more of a product of how they make games

[granite cedar]

he likes them more than sakurai

[lost briar]

so you could call it a circle more than an arc

[austere willow]

they make games with gameplay first in mind

[austere willow]

its like a wave that gets smaller

[unkempt moat]

Plus, the waddle dees were very grateful with the modernize cities suzie built, they even learned how to drive

[leaden terrace]

Magolor: Wow! What an adventure! I learnt nothing
Taranza: Welp, my girlfriend is dead and I am to live my entire life with this knowledge now sinking deep in my brain as I ever so slowly fall into a deep dark depression where my webs can only hold me from for so long
Susie: Wow! What an adventure! I learnt nothing

[unkempt moat]

Susie learnt everything but decided to keep her ways

[plain hound]

uhh actually the first game got remade every goddamn time with his games

[unkempt moat]

And spare pop star

[granite cedar]

thats not recurring things its being nintendo

[lost briar]

i meet someone -> i'm friends with them -> i explain everything -> the bodies are never found -> i meet someone

[leaden terrace]

tbh she didnt choose to attack pop star lol

[late root]

hahaha, mischievous little being
goofy little egg

[leaden terrace]

shes just doing her job

[granite cedar]

we dont know that

shes particularly passionate about robbing popstar of its resources

[plain hound]

Popstar was just another target pretty much

[leaden terrace]

i was thinking more like uhh

[unkempt moat]

Until she learned that no resources means no dessert

[leaden terrace]

she just quickly went along with it as soon as she realizes the benefits of it

[austere willow]

I think my ideas of a new Susie story revolves the fact that she's a secretary

[granite cedar]

tbh i think its the issue with 10s games specifically. if robobot was made currently susie would def be more fleshed out by the end.

[austere willow]

imagine

she gets a new boss?

[leaden terrace]

omg

[late root]

maybe it's HER idea to attack popstar... idk maybe a mage told her about it???

[granite cedar]

meanwhile if star allies was made on 3ds then mages' story would end literally on them being thrown out of void termina

[plain hound]

thats why she left the planet because she would endanger the treats

[granite cedar]

[unkempt moat]

Anime segue

[leaden terrace]

"so theres this like a star shaped planet"
"holy fuck TAKE ME THERE"

[austere willow]

also regarding the whole "she didnt decide on popstar"

isnt she the secretary

[plain hound]

its still baffling that that was like... the intended ending for them??

[granite cedar]

i think it would be more interesting if she attempted to be a boss herself but realized she doesn't have the leadership skills and that becomes her undoing

[austere willow]

Haltmann seems handsoff until he gets confronted

even in the 3DS theme thing where susie gets artwork

[leaden terrace]

ill be honest

[austere willow]

all the work's on her

[leaden terrace]

i never knew what the secretary meant :)

[vocal latch]

Finally

Bandana Run became real

[austere willow]

Secretary is basically like

[leaden terrace]

wooo business lesson!!!

im going to fail business again this finals maybe

[austere willow]

a job that's like simultenaously an assistant and the job of the person ur a secretary of

[granite cedar]

i THINK there was always intended for them to be some sort of resolution on final extra planet they would've added in the final dlc

[austere willow]

like

[granite cedar]

but it would probably feel lamer since its just one level and not wholeass mode

[austere willow]

youer the secretary of the CEO of Shoe Making?

you better KNOW how to run a Shoe Making business

[late root]

your the assistant, yet you do the job of the guy you're working on

[leaden terrace]

oh wow i knew the whole assistant thing but the second part?

[austere willow]

as well as being an assistant that always gets the bosses orders

[leaden terrace]

thats cool

[austere willow]

Cuz like

a good secretary isnt just like an assistant

[leaden terrace]

...oh so technically

susie being the secretary for haltmann

[austere willow]

a good secretary is like, "the second head"

so to speak

[leaden terrace]

is like, the closest they can get to their relation being acknowledged at that point

[austere willow]

She either does equal work at least, if not more, especially in the Company lifestyle they establish in Robobot

[granite cedar]

actually this brings up an interesting question

if susie spent basically nearly all her life in AD

how did she learn to be a good secretary lol

[late root]

like a vice president but you do most the job of your boss lmao

[austere willow]

@vocal latch do you have data/interviews about the Haltmann Works Company

[maiden forum]

the sphere doomers taught her

[leaden terrace]

starts bossing around doomers

I MEAN YOU KNOW YEAH

[lost briar]

well she returned back to haltmann

[vocal latch]

Like, the website data?

[austere willow]

us calling on Baro like a loremaster

LMAO

[leaden terrace]

||THE GRAND DOOMER WAS IMPLIED TO BEING CALLED THE BOSS HERE||

[austere willow]

like anything about Haltmann Works Company

[lost briar]

she became a secretary after he didn't recognize her as his daughter

[austere willow]

like was it founded to find Susie or was it always exisitng when SUsie was born

or what?

[leaden terrace]

thats still like

a super high spot

[vocal latch]

Oh I remember, her JP website profile mentions mysterious training

Holdon, lemme go on PC

[austere willow]

KSJDKSJJKSD

[leaden terrace]

and thats assuming haltmann didnt know her for long at that point

[late root]

learned from the best business dad

[austere willow]

If ur busy feel free to decline lma

lmao

[lost briar]

i blame haltmann subconsciously commiting nepotism

[leaden terrace]

<LMAMFAOFOAO

[austere willow]

youre just a really good reliable source of info

Also i feel like Susie may have gotten out of AD before she grew up cuz

[odd comet]

Anyone got ||True Soul Magolor|| images that go hard?

[austere willow]

like

[odd comet]

I need em for a thing

[austere willow]

its never been said When she got out right?

[lost briar]

basically

[plain hound]

she just "escaped"

[marble jungle]

Technically you can see this as ||soul form||. It's ||monstrous to the extreme, uber difficult, and uses trickery such that you can't expect to just hit it all the time. What the Soul form means can be kinda flexible, you know.||

[lost briar]

and she still needed to become Haltmann's secretary because before that she was just his daughter

[late root]

Everything ||True Magosoul|| go hard

[lost briar]

i think the lore is that Haltmann hired Susie because she reminded him of someone?

[vocal latch]

(both are from https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/at3a/special/report3.html)

[lost briar]

i don't recall at all the specifics

[leaden terrace]

SHE PLAYS PIANO????

[lost briar]

it was all on Miiverse wasn't it

[leaden terrace]

MAGOLOR

[odd comet]

Yes but I need good looking pics

[leaden terrace]

MAGOLOR COME HERE

[late root]

YOOOOOOOOO

[austere willow]

Mysterious Circumstances.........................

[vocal latch]

Why do you think Star Dream summons a grand piano in the Memories attack?

[lost briar]

so yeah, subconscious nepotism

[odd comet]

And he teleports around way too much

[late root]

sorry to interrupt but, why is his mii looks so sad lmao

[lime acorn]

Johnny Johnny, yes papa?

Eating money?
Yes papa

[leaden terrace]

(Mid-Star Dream battle)
Susie: Yawn... I'm so bored... I wish I had the piano to play on right now.

NOVA: OK. ->

[austere willow]

Mysterious Circumstances is what i like to call Kumazaki Has Ideas For Her Story but Isn't Putting it Out

ngl

[vocal latch]

Q: Please tell me what kind of company the Haltmann Works Company is.

A: The general business matter is to mechanize a planet, develop its economy, and plunder its energy resources. After using up the energy of a planet, they move on to the next planet and keep on thriving. Chief employees are responsible for fighting in Invader Armor. Huge laboratory towers are built in various places and there are laboratories which conduct new weapon research, but all leaders apart from Susie are robots that the company president has selected himself.

Q: What kind of person is the company president Haltmann?

A: He has his livelihood in making inventions and building a company in his lifetime in a far away planet. He has been an ambitious person since a young age, and before he knew he would do anything for the prosperity of the company. He is a cool-headed man. He doesn’t trust people, and there are things about his ambition for prosperity that he doesn’t tell even to Susie. By the way, his favorite food is high class chicken. His hobby is observing celestial bodies and climate. His specialty is numerals and inventions. His treasured item is a golden pocket watch that has stopped running at one point.
SOURCE: https://nintendoeverything.com/kirby-planet-robobot-director-on-the-story-characters-robobot-armor-and-abilities/

[austere willow]

So like

the entire company is Robots

except for Susie and Haltmann?

[vocal latch]

I guess so

[austere willow]

Like

[leaden terrace]

we talking wall-e?

[austere willow]

Considering how Kumazaki talks about Magolor

[austere willow]

Kumazaki has an internal headcanon for these two

like 100%

but will we get to see em...

[late root]

i never realized this... where did susie's mom go?

[leaden terrace]

prob divorced lol

[austere willow]

idk

[leaden terrace]

considering the kind of man haltmann is

[austere willow]

what if it worked like Cosmo Fairly Odd Parents

[leaden terrace]

i doubt his wife would stay for long

[vocal latch]

oh wow these towers are called HWC lab towers ig lmao

[leaden terrace]

especially not when susie fucking presumably died

[austere willow]

He doesn’t trust people, and there are things about his ambition for prosperity that he doesn’t tell even to Susie.

what does he mean by this

[late root]

rip old man

idk if he derserved this

[austere willow]

ngl

[vocal latch]

But yeah, it already existed when Susie was born, then the Warp-Susie Incident happened and rip

[austere willow]

Haltmann has a more interesting backstory rn than just Susie

[leaden terrace]

true

[austere willow]

I think i would like a story that doesnt just tackle Susie

[leaden terrace]

i mean he was kind of the focus there

[austere willow]

but the whole company's history, and "family" so to speak

because if Magolor Epilogue is a symbolism for Halcandra's fall....

then a Susie Story would have to focus on something else...

[odd comet]

Well, when Susie steals the Star Dream headset, she says she wants to sell it.

But that’s not what Haltmann wanted to do with it

[austere willow]

Perhaps the company?

[vocal latch]

Can't be about his daughter, at least, because we know he doesn't even remember her in the JP version of his memory

[austere willow]

God imagine if like

[vocal latch]

Maybe you go through Susie's "memories"

[austere willow]

KPR remake and the first level isn't like her after the ending

but instead

[lost briar]

Susie meets Parallel Susie and it becomes a reflection upon self-hatred and finally acceptance

[austere willow]

the first level of Susie Story mode is Right after she sees Kirby flying off with the Halberd

and Susie has to go through data files and papers

like imagine...

what she could learn

[odd comet]

Every time someone says that Elfilin should have explained his predicament to Kirby, I just imagine every single Kirby antagonist traumadumping to the pink ball

[vocal latch]

before she the Access Ark gets used by Star Dream lol

[austere willow]

i dont think Elfilin even knows that he was Forgo's other half

[vocal latch]

In the novel, he doesn't remember either, right?

[austere willow]

Elfilin as far as we know literally only really knew a broken lost abandoned world and found waddle dees and they made a town together

[plain hound]

he has a pocket watch in the novel

[vocal latch]

He also does in the game, we just never see it.

[plain hound]

i remember that

[vocal latch]

Well, we see it in Star Allies

[plain hound]

we do?

[odd comet]

Susie: “…He has to be still in there, somewhere, right? He can’t just… be gone. Even if he forgot about me, even if I forgot about me… I woke up this morning and got into the robot. I wondered for a minute whether or not to just… hit him. Get it over with. It’s not my father anymore, but I cant end it and I don’t know why.”

Kirby: “HAIIIIII”

[vocal latch]

Yeah, the watch floating in space is implied to be his

[plain hound]

ohhh

[vocal latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v5aSZC0o1szGh-LXAEEY4vPRrwrvUPv20Kn9JPMkVms/

the doc ever

[leaden terrace]

i do wish they did a lil more with elfilin though

at least hint that he like, didnt know this world very much or thta he's still learning

i think itd make for a cute little character arc for him

and helps pair him up with kirby too in the whole new world exploring thing

[austere willow]

“……The needle seems to be stopped.”

“Right. I did try to have it repaired before, but I stopped once hearing that all the machines inside needed to be replaced. I do not wish to change a single thing about this watch……although even I don’t know why.”
- Haltmann

“I knew it……he just can’t remember it, huh……?”
- Susie

[odd comet]

Taranza: “I don’t understand! It’s like I fell in love with a different person! She constantly mistreats me, mistreats EVERYONE around her… I can’t even stand up to her. I am pathetic. I am starting to think it’s that mirror. Every time I look at it I am so sure that something else inside it is looking back. I am too scared to break it and it knows it. I don’t know what to do anymore!”

Kirby: “Poyo!”

[leaden terrace]

taranza's the type that would traumadump

[plain hound]

so the conclusion i gathered is susie needs to come back

[leaden terrace]

omg

And yes

[vocal latch]

I think they definitely want to do something with Susie for the future.

[leaden terrace]

i mean it seems like theyre setting her up for something too

so im eager to see what it is

[vocal latch]

Pres. Parallel Susie and her Guest Star description are very suspicious.

[plain hound]

they are def doing SOMETHING with her as opposed to the others

like everyone else just seems finished now

[austere willow]

What if

[plain hound]

i fear taranza is stuck in the rot he is...

[austere willow]

the stopwatch is his memories

[odd comet]

GIGANTIC missed opportunity: ||Have Galacta toss the sword to Magolor during the Master Crown fight, Meta Knight style.||

[queen rune]

To be fair, Susie has a very good reason for holding a potential grudge against Kirby for you know..... KILLING hER Dad

[austere willow]

stupid theory but its so weird how it has this much relevance

[leaden terrace]

i mean i dont thin kshe cared

[plain hound]

but she's not mad about that lol

[leaden terrace]

taranza would be the one who would rightfully be mad regarding sectonia and he kinda did but at the same time he was corrupted so

[leaden terrace]

it could be true tbh

[plain hound]

she mentions following in her father's footsteps, but thats it

[austere willow]

like what if

[vocal latch]

SUPER KIRBY CLASH CHANNEL (05/08/20)
-Make Susie seem colder than her usual self.
We requested this because she inherited the title "Pres." from a cold villain that tried to invade Kirby's home, Pop Star. In this way, Pres. Parallel Susie evolved from Parallel Susie, so we asked to show her evolution in the design.

Many ideas were submitted based on our request for a colder Susie. You can see a few of the submitted concepts the designer came up with in the image above. Which designs do you like?

[austere willow]

Yeah like

[plain hound]

there is a STRONG emphasis on a "colder" version

[austere willow]

Susie's themes is that she's a family company (derogatory)

"We're a family!" says boss whos withholding wages

[queen rune]

Susie feels like she could be one of the most dangerous Kirby villains due to having Haltmann work's technology at her disposal

[austere willow]

thats kind of the vibe i get from her current depictions

[vocal latch]

but she was the one who caused that

[plain hound]

i feel robobot's ending being...off... is similar to what happened with Amazing Mirror and IT'S ending

[austere willow]

and i really wonder if there's more to this... family business than meets the eye

or rather meets the Pink Puffball

[plain hound]

something that FEELS done but is gonna come back to bite us in the ass

[austere willow]

rn Kirby's stories are very intrinsically tied to how Kirby reacts to it

Magolor Epilogue is like the first time we've gotten a story/character motivation during a non-Kirby venture

like even Meta Knightmare Ultra was just

"meta knight does shit and eventually meets a wish granting clock"

and i think if Susie were to get one

[odd comet]

“So, Susie, why do you want to help Kirby?”

“Half of the members of the Void cult are former Haltmann wagies that unionized. Now it is my universal responsibility to crush them with a mech.”

[austere willow]

she'd have as much care in story as Magolor's did

perhaps even more

[vocal latch]

I can 100% see Susie get her own mode, yeah.

Her dialogue would be great

[queen rune]

Most of the plots just happen because the villains just happen to mess with Kirby and his planet. Kirby is a very reactionary character in general

[plain hound]

playing as a revamped star allies susie would be pretty cool

[queen rune]

Who or what would be the final boss of a Susie mode?

[leaden terrace]

my headcanon is that its meta knight's dream and he wants to fight galacta knight cus he is the strongest warrior in the galaxy and he wants to fight the strongest warrior in the galaxy because it would be the coolest thing ever

[odd comet]

Imma be real I hope they don’t remake Robobot

[austere willow]

I think it depends on what game this Susie mode would hypothetically be in

[plain hound]

something about "putting the past behind her"

[vocal latch]

Would be cool if penultimate boss was a new HR-Robo

[plain hound]

HR-0

[austere willow]

I dont think Susie is a character that has an arc about putting hte past behind her...

[granite cedar]

i still think likeliest idea for her own mode is seeing her rebuilt the company

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[austere willow]

I feel like it'd be more personal than that

[granite cedar]

since its her current goal

[austere willow]

It can still be rebuilding the company

[leaden terrace]

i feel like itd be more about susie's views on the world? she doesnt seem to take anything too seriously

[odd comet]

Now that I think about it, in SA, everything Taranza does Magolor does better.

[vocal latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/963111221928808479/989153617074352179/STAR_DREAM_SOUL_CONCEPTpng.png?width=1049&height=676

[leaden terrace]

not even the death of her father

[odd comet]

Isn’t that funny in hindsight

[austere willow]

but you can definitely add more into it

[granite cedar]

and it can lead towards a game where shes a villain again 😳

[plain hound]

we bitch now and then kumazaki will just tell us to STFU

[leaden terrace]

maybe she learns to be nicer and/or sympathetic?

[austere willow]

nah

[granite cedar]

she has no reason to

[leaden terrace]

not that shed be a good person

[vocal latch]

Obviously the final boss of Susie mode will be Shopkeeper Magolor who you have to defeat to make the Gem Apple Sherbet

[austere willow]

I dont think Susie is a character who wants to move on, or a character who wnats to improve her morals

[leaden terrace]

but more like she'd be more open minded to things

[odd comet]

She has to kill EVERY shareholder.

[austere willow]

i think

[odd comet]

The final boss is Roach.

[granite cedar]

thing with susie is that she doesn't think that she was wrong

[austere willow]

Susie is a character that wants to know

[granite cedar]

she helps kirby because she doesn't want to die

[austere willow]

Susie is a character who wants to know what happened

why

[leaden terrace]

itd still be pretty selfish in a way like how magolor's arc was done

[granite cedar]

not because she had a self-realization moment

[queen rune]

I like Susie still being an asshole a bit because I feel like that's just the kind of person she is

[austere willow]

Self realization and goodness in the heart isnt the only stories out there

and Magolor Epilogue is definitely not one of them despite the "atoning for sins" part

[vocal latch]

What I really want in a Susie mode is to have the credits show her "Memories" lol

[leaden terrace]

i know the things i said sound very simple and generic but i think theres a lot of things you can really achieve with just susie going on a personal adventure

[plain hound]

god i can imagine a scene in a susie mode where its a bunch of mirrors showing her what the hell she has done to others and has to make a choice

[granite cedar]

see with magolor he at least has a reason to re-evaluate himself a bit. he got what he deserved. but susie technically got 0 karma on anything so she has no reason to change herself at all

[odd comet]

An evil idea has struck me.

[queen rune]

Plus her still being a bit selfish and out for herself makes her more interesting

[granite cedar]

like her dad died, boo-hoo? she doesnt seem to be terribly affected by it at all

[vocal latch]

YIPPEE!!!

[granite cedar]

i dont even think she realizes it was her fault

[austere willow]

Yea

[leaden terrace]

definitely not

nuance is still a very possible thing, you can make her nicer but that doesnt mean shed be a nicer person or, anything more like she's mellowing out

[austere willow]

idk

[granite cedar]

i mean we already kinda got that

[austere willow]

i dont think making her nicer should be a goal of the story

[granite cedar]

she came to "respect" kirby

by calling him by his name

[odd comet]

Oh btw

Fun fact everyone

[granite cedar]

but thats as much niceness as you can get out of her

[austere willow]

like Magolor's is "atonement" but really he jsut stopped being overambitious

[vocal latch]

Remake BETTER fix that

[odd comet]

In the Italian version, Susie calls Kirby

[plain hound]

gosh i dont think ive seen anyone so split on a kirby character as much as SUSIE

[austere willow]

Magolor's kind of the same and stopped thinking about true power and domination

[odd comet]

“Indigenous filth”

[granite cedar]

i mean its already fixed. in european english localization

[austere willow]

ya ya we know shes racist

[granite cedar]

the fact that uk robobot has better script than america is revenge for dream collection

[vocal latch]

Wait, was it? I don't remember that

[austere willow]

my point being is like

[vocal latch]

OH IT WAS

[lofty viper]

third time's the charm :) game is fun

[vocal latch]

YEAH

[plain hound]

double joke is on them that story was retconned

[odd comet]

Magolor and Susie bond over being cold capitalists.

[austere willow]

i think if Susie gets a story she'll use it to rebuild her company and learn the past for her own gain and her own closure

[maiden forum]

man i wish you didnt need to unlock other characters in the arena

[leaden terrace]

not wrong but character development is still a good way to at least give more depth to what's alread ystablished. showing slightly few more sides of a character can do wonders, and susie seems like the person who would REALLY benefit from that
i personally see her as a brash and insensitive person, but i can see her having her own ways to express her more human side in situations she doesn't expect herself to be in

[austere willow]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[granite cedar]

was it though

[plain hound]

i mean... kinda??

[granite cedar]

you can still see dream collection as "the beginning" of magoland

[vocal latch]

I don't think New Challenge Stages are retconned at all.

[granite cedar]

and what we see in rtdx is just how it is in the present

[plain hound]

he didnt mention anything about meeting kirby again

[granite cedar]

yeah

because it would be weird lol

[leaden terrace]

thats why i love morally grey characters so much, if you know what youre doing you can like make them like actual real people and thats basically what im seeing recently

[granite cedar]

you can boot up magoland without touching story mode

[leaden terrace]

like in magolor

[granite cedar]

imagine first thing magolor saying to you

"oh long time no see old chum"

[leaden terrace]

well magolors kind of an asshole but he also has a side of him whos just happy to see people, inclined to talk to them, be more laxed and casual

[granite cedar]

magolor realized that he likes having people around, thats his arc basically

[leaden terrace]

basically

[austere willow]

MAGOLOR IS A LONER HEADCANON VALIDATION

[granite cedar]

its borderline canon

[leaden terrace]

tbh wasnt he almost always depicted by himself?

[granite cedar]

remember clay that line where he's just wondering why kirby even tries to help him

[leaden terrace]

or just with kirby

[granite cedar]

because they are complete strangers

[leaden terrace]

i think i already said that oops

[austere willow]

YES

EXACTLY

God

[leaden terrace]

but the fact that he's still considered to be pretty dubious is just as important too

[austere willow]

Magolor is inspiring my story-loving brain

PLEEEAAAASSEEEE keep this direction HAL

begging

begging at your feet

[granite cedar]

storytelling in the new era generates happy chemicals for me

[leaden terrace]

i cant stop thinking about magolor for the past few days

[granite cedar]

idk what exact direction is for kirby going forward is right now except for "its everything you loved in games from 10s but better in every way"

[leaden terrace]

solely because of the new info we have now

[odd comet]

Post character development Magolor vs CROWNED Magolor would be such an interesting interaction if Magolor’s character arc is learning that he likes having people around.

[leaden terrace]

friend happy magolor vs friend DENIAL magolor

NO Friend.

ONLY POWER

[austere willow]

look

im saying

Parallel Magolor

[leaden terrace]

LIKE!!!!

GAH

[odd comet]

“You can have all the power in the world, you’ll never be happy. You’ll never be satisfied, and nothing you will do will change that. It has to start with you.”

“SHUT UP- wait is that an ultrasword”

[austere willow]

nah i think if Magolor met Magolor

like

Magolor's smart enough to realize what this supposed evil Magolor wuold be i mean

[leaden terrace]

"OWWWW, I HATE swords!" (vase shatter sound as crowned Magolor starts his defeat animation)

[austere willow]

if we go with the theory that he makes masks...

he calls himself Traitor Magolor on that mask

[leaden terrace]

shouldve been liar.

[austere willow]

I feel like if Magolor met that Magolor i think he'd just acknowledge that they're now 2 different entities

[fleet prism]

They'd team up

[austere willow]

nah

more like

not emotionally affected but smart enough to know that That Guy's A Problem™️

and thats exactly his reaction to ||Master Crown||

[leaden terrace]

Points at him like hes showing an old picture of himself and goes "Haha, that was me. I was pretty stupid."

[rustic ether]

I kinda wish ||we had a lil bit more interaction with Magalor tbh||

||The epilogue is still really good, but I wanna see what he’s thinking and feeling||

[austere willow]

b

B

[leaden terrace]

i feel like we got much more than enough, but id want more either way too

[austere willow]

girl open your Skill Upgrades menu

[fleet prism]

Kinda crazy how Magolor interacting with his Crowned self could be a thing now that ||time travel is real||

[rustic ether]

||wait a minute did I miss something?||

[austere willow]

ok so

This is gonna be a lot to explain

[leaden terrace]

Magolor's personality REALLY seeps through them

[fleet prism]

First of all, we have to talk about parallel universes

[rustic ether]

PFFFFFT

[fleet prism]

This but unironically

[lost briar]

||I don't really think there was time travel||

[austere willow]

EX mode 120 energy spheres: Magolor says he's always wanted to make a theme park (does not make sense because in Nutty Noon, Magoland's already there)
Magolor Epilogue, if you read his dialogue while upgrading his skills, for Trickery (Level MAX), he again thinks about making a theme park with this much trickery and deviousness

Kumazaki: describes Magolor as making theme parks in other worlds post-RtDL

Magoland if you complete all 120 missions: "Its always been my dream to make a theme park"

etc etc

[lost briar]

||even though Galacta shows there is||

[odd comet]

Imagine the SA Galacta Knight appearance but Magolor can’t stop thinking about how much gem apples he sold to the kirbies trying to beat him.

[austere willow]

we've reasons to believe that after Magolor Epilogue, he's become an interdimensional traveler (title drop) and that includes time and space

[fleet prism]

||magolor somehow connects his theme park from the future to the past so||

[odd comet]

The G in Galacta Knight stands for Gains

[austere willow]

in any case

the upgrade screen is unironically the biggest treasure trove of honest Magolor thoughts and feelings

[leaden terrace]

"Maaan, losing powers is no fun..." completely forgets that he almost just died

[austere willow]

this is where i feel like i pinpoint his personality; his thoughts on his loss of powers is never regret

but rather "ugh..."

[rustic ether]

That’s cute lmao

[austere willow]

This is why i think the reason he ||sheds a tear after defeating Master Crown|| is because he finally... wins

Think abt it

fights landia: loses

fights Kirby

loses

||Master Crown|| is the one time he actually does it

[ruby narwhal]

||fitting that he has a similar sort of attitude in his ta soul phase 2 description while his soul is being devoured||

And how weirdly nonchalant he is about this whole thing

[leaden terrace]

to be fair there may be an ounce of regret considering he becomes practically depressed upon first seeing himself like this (taunt anim also has him wiping away a tear) but its still close to how i see it yeah

[austere willow]

honestly i chalk that up to his Loner-isms

maybe a bit of regret and a bit of jealousy

"Kirby has friends, and they stuck by him"

[leaden terrace]

i think the whole eventfulness of what fucking happened made him temporarily desensitized to what happened to himself and how he ended up there/where he was and he couldnt help but feel lost at that moment?

[austere willow]

I think he's definitely sad

[leaden terrace]

that too but yeah

[austere willow]

there's a rain effect for a reason

but like i dont think he actually feels regret other than like

"i wont do that ever again"

[wintry turtle]

Listened to the || Crowned True Arena Ver. for a bit tonight and was literally holding back tears hearing magolor's cries for help mixed into the song. The choir doesn't help either ||

[leaden terrace]

makes sense, but considering these were powers that were with him in the first place, id probably wager hed have a bit of an attachment to them and losing them wouldve done quite a blow on his ego but that is just how i see it. i mean that seems to be how he always defends himself

well either way i supposed it could just be boiled down to "i fucked up :'''("

[junior fiber]

magolor got really got characterization in this

[austere willow]

iM SAYIN LIKE

PLEASE KEEP GOING THIS DIRECTIONNNN

😩

[wintry turtle]

This game made me love magolor

[rustic ether]

Maybe I underestimated how they depicted Magalor lol

He may just be one of Kirby’s best characters

[celest grove]

tbh it is the most detailed depiction of Magolor you'll ever get

[plain hound]

please keep this writing consistency HAL

[vast vapor]

list was never pinned

I love his dialogue so much

[wintry turtle]

Funny how RTDL was Kumazakis first original game and its still like peak kirby imo

[late root]

I really like this new title so much

[leaden terrace]

same

[late root]

Favorite stage song got a new title, not called "Funky Area" anymore lol

[vocal latch]

guys omg Magolor timeline!!111

wait I forgot to cut it lmao

I made this as a joke btw

[late root]

lmao

huh weird... i thought they cut the "of the Stars" part

[vocal latch]

they did

It's officially in English now just "Fly, Kirby!"

[late root]

yep, they sure did cut it

[wintry turtle]

I like this

I can believe it

[late root]

isnt the old one a direct translation of the japan title?

[pliant socket]

They are allergic to calling kirby his true name

[pliant socket]

Yeah lol

[vocal latch]

yeah

[pliant socket]

I mean kirby of the stars was a mouthful

But it was a FUNNY mouthful

[late root]

yeah lmao

r.i.p. "Greatest Warrior of the Galaxy"

got reduced to "Otherwordly Warrior"

[faint galleon]

L bozo

Lost his title while being kicked around several dimensions

[vocal latch]

Greatest Warrior in the Galaxy is the name of the version from Super Star Ultra.

[late root]

I was referencing that lmao
I just thought reducing the name of the remixed song is just funny to me

r.i.p. galacta knight/aeon hero, never got the break he deserved

[vocal latch]

The Return to Dream Land version was always「異世界からの戦士」(Isekai kara no senshi) which people translated as "Warrior of Another World", or now officially, "Otherworldly Warrior"

[ruby narwhal]

“With a theme song called ‘greatest warrior in the galaxy’”- smash 4

Ig it was technically the case in ssu but nowhere else

[late root]

it's funny that 4 of the magogames in magoland occured in the great kirby console drought

[lost briar]

the alternate realities where we have Interdimensional Warrior or Far-Flung Warrior

[young osprey]

(Epilogue boss) ||master crown got its own page in villains wiki!!!! Probably due to the epilogue because before that there was no such thing!!!!||

[late root]

bomb rally
crackity hack
smash ride and
kirby on the draw

[late root]

finally
the master crown is officially a villain now

[ruby narwhal]

||It’s even more villainous with is ancients backstory implications a corrupting a whole line of rulers and leading to the downfall of their civilisation||

[young osprey]

||funny crown causes near extinction||

[lime acorn]

Meme. ||Stop fucking making me cry HAL. I can't breathe||

True Arena Spoilers

[late root]

ahahahahah

:(

[faint galleon]

||"Kaa-bi!"||

[late root]

||also plays when you beat the true arena||

[vocal latch]

so good

[late root]

ikr?

Magolor's Final Race Music from Dream Collection guys!!!

From "Distant Traveler" to "Interdimensional Traveler"!

[vocal latch]

yea

probably to keep it consistent with Epilogue's title

which is near 1:1 to Dream Collection's theme name in JP

[austere willow]

Distant Traveler was an embellishment innit

[novel fog]

still don't get why they did that when we have 'Mid-Boss Battle in Another World' lol

[late root]

same

[humble crest]

Why ||the 100% music isn't playing when i open my file, did literally everything||

[late root]

||is it 100% though?||

[humble crest]

||yeah, unless there is a hal room i didn't visit yet, there are just 3 in the whole game right?||

[lime acorn]

||I'm still sobbing over a FUCKING VIDEO GAME FINAL BOSS MUSIC. Just.... Fuck you HAL /nsrs /lh||

[late root]

yep

[lime acorn]

||I'm shuddering over egg noises||

[late root]

||cry more >:)||

[leaden terrace]

me feeling depressed listening to the same song for 10 minutes at a time

[lime acorn]

||He wants "Kaa-bi" to free him||

||What have you done HAL. I love you but fuck you /nsrs /lh||

[late root]

lmao

[lime acorn]

||Stop making me cry for a goddamn minute||

||Stop making me cry over a video game final boss music ||

[late root]

||rip deceptive egg, got in the wrong timeline||

[vocal latch]

Kumazaki: Magolor doesn't speak any recognizable language, only what could be called “Magolorese”, but we tried to make it feel authentic by ensuring that occasional recognizable words could be made out – “Kirby” for example.
SOURCE: https://web.archive.org/web/20170730215456/https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHjP3O8GRg

[novel fog]

||did you complete the Jukebox?||

[humble crest]

||actually you are right, track 189 is locked||

[granite cedar]

god this fanfare is so fucking good

[late root]

ahahahaahahah

damn you kumazaki, you piece of strawberry shortcake

[lime acorn]

||Ha, it's not that of a big deal lol. Makes me cry less than that ONE (1) True Arena boss song||

[humble crest]

||how to unlock it?||

[novel fog]

||that is for Epilogue's HAL Room I think||

[lime acorn]

👀

Yeah I know that before

[late root]

||>:(||
||you made me do this||

[lime acorn]

This is an interesting fact when I first heard it

[humble crest]

||ah so there are 4 hal rooms|| aight thanks

[lime acorn]

||NO NOT THAT||

||NOT THST||

||😭😭😭😭 /nsrs /lh||

[vocal latch]

||Can't wait when TDX remake improves localization on Sectonia's last pause screen||

[lime acorn]

||IF YOU POST TRUE ARENA FINAL BOSS MUSIC WITH MAGOLOR CRYING NOISES I WILL CRY AND SHIT||

[granite cedar]

tbh i dont think itll happen

[vocal latch]

[granite cedar]

mainly because i feel like it was changed moreso due to censorship than poor localization

since original pause screen essentially has sectonia plead to kill her

[vocal latch]

That's definitely a possible reason yea

[lime acorn]

|| ||

[late root]

woah wait- you're from the philippines too?

haha, and i'm 15 too

[lime acorn]

Yes :3333

[vocal latch]

||the funny "I’ve continuously leeched off and transferred hosts so many times, which one my real form was… I don’t even remember anymore. There was a voice calling me, but I can no longer hear it. Before this night dawns, I’ll sleep… eternally… "||

||I really want it even if it feels unlikely lmao||

[granite cedar]

im surprised that only change in localization is POV honestly

like they even left in "let her have eternal sleep" or something like that

[vocal latch]

true

TDX has the best of the localizations probs

[granite cedar]

until FL

[vocal latch]

Very true

[granite cedar]

actually

[vocal latch]

Wait, what's TDX's biggest error?

Shadow Dedede description?

[granite cedar]

besides sphere doomers pause screen did treehouse do any other mistakes in rtdl dx

[granite cedar]

yup

i think there was also something but i forgot what was it

[vocal latch]

Hatred and obsession line left out

[granite cedar]

in which description

[vocal latch]

Magolor Soul

the entire second sentence was cut 😭

with freeing Magolor's soul and whatnot

[late root]

rip

[vocal latch]

||RTDX added it back at least||

[granite cedar]

What remains of Magolor is a sad shell.
He's possessed by the limitless power
of the Master Crown, imprisoned by the
hatred and obsessions of prior rulers.
Now...defeat it and free Magolor's soul!

are u sure

[vocal latch]

That's RTDX

I'm talking about OG

Oh wait

[granite cedar]

well i was talking about rtdx

lol

[vocal latch]

you meant Deluxe LOL

[granite cedar]

i know rtdl's mistakes

[vocal latch]

Oops misread sorry

[granite cedar]

ts alright

because i was worried after doomers pause screen

[vocal latch]

They leave the titles of the bosses out ig

which is a shame

[granite cedar]

but it seems like other stuff seems to be intact

im glad that localization this time is mostly an improvement too

means that kuma probably helped/oversaw this game's localization too

[vocal latch]

||They also changed "dimensions and parallels" to "dimensions and time" for HR-D3||

[late root]

We had the funny foreshadow with "Ultra Super Boss Battle" remix in dream buffet

we had the funni city trial backside remix from the same game

This song could be a sign that air ride might come back, but we can only hope

[vocal latch]

||Ain't no fucking way that's Haldera Volcano's JP name 😭😭😭
HAL(D)LAB(O) ||

[granite cedar]

honestly i still choose to believe that they are implying connection to elfilis here. mainly because of dem ears-wings grand doomer has

[vocal latch]

But yeah otherwise it's pretty close it seems

but maybe Faye will notice something off in the future

[granite cedar]

tbh im just surprised at overall competency

im not used to this

i expected translated track names to be mostly horrendous but they arent

[vocal latch]

after PR & SA, definitely nice.

[leaden terrace]

btw ive only noticed this recently but

lowpers?

ropasu?

[vocal latch]

Lowper is how they're called in the files internally

[leaden terrace]

is that their name? what does that mean?

ah

[granite cedar]

it would be a huge exaggeration but in a way id say pr-sa period was kind of a low point for the modern kirby

mainly because 2011-2015 and 2019-present stuff is more consistently better at everything lol

[vocal latch]

One of the ideas for etymology was that it might derive from "interloper"「インターローパー」

[granite cedar]

wouldnt be surprised if it was also a corruption on "robber"

[vocal latch]

「ロバ」(Roba)

Reminds me of my theory that Bronto Burt derives from the words "pronto" & "bird" lol

[granite cedar]

burt definitely feels like corruption of "bird"

if you pronounce it, it sounds identical

[novel fog]

there's a bit of stuff left out in places, but what can ya do

[granite cedar]

we can always strive for improvement of course

i am just happy that we are in much better place now than we used to

[vocal latch]

there's also this fictional monster ig but I doubt that's where it comes from??

[granite cedar]

doomers have no tentacles so probably not

[thin prairie]

i think its just slight nonsense

not everything needs meaning

[vocal latch]

Probs, we also have Darpa, Dippa and whatnot

probably spelled them wrong lmfao

[thin prairie]

actually no

[novel fog]

for example ||line about HR-D3 crossing dimensions and parallels, and the part in Master Crown's description about it circulating different lands and worlds||

[thin prairie]

its ||darpa, dippa and dupa||

and the theoretical ||deppa||

[novel fog]

there's probably more stuff changed/left out, but I haven't looked too hard yet

[granite cedar]

the thing i noticed is that they unfortunately seem to have left ability descriptions the same as in the original localization

"hammer of kings" lives on

[novel fog]

well, notable I mean

I know theres some others lol

and obviously the boss title-like parts

[thin prairie]

whats wrong with hammer of kings

[granite cedar]

its a mistranslation that they fixed in triple deluxe

the description says that it's dedede's hammer kirby is loaning

[thin prairie]

oh

then i get it

[novel fog]

||oh yeah there's also Master Crown being called 宿り木 (mistletoe/a parasitic plant) in its boss description||

[granite cedar]

||parasitic plant....||

||i wonder if theres any relation to sectonia here||

[fleet prism]

||I think that the sphere doomers originally used to look more like how the rampaging doomers / crowned doomer look like, aka, with energy sphere parts and feathers. Maybe that's why they like energy spheres that much. They want the power that they used to have||

[leaden terrace]

||they look so cute i would want them to look that way again too||

[fleet prism]

||or maybe they are the SOULS of the NEW WORLD PEOPLE that could warp TIME AND SPACE because of the efilis tech and are actually the ANCIENTS !!||

[novel fog]

||btw, similar to HR-D3 description, Galacta is said to have crossed dimensions and time||

[granite cedar]

Makes sense

[thin prairie]

||or maybe its just a hungry circle creature||

[fleet prism]

HR-D3 came from the cancelled dimension

[novel fog]

well, parallel I guess

[fleet prism]

||void is also spherical. What a coincidence!||

[thin prairie]

||voids description did mention food iirc||

||VOID IS A DOOMER||

[maiden crane]

kirby gcn is canon by way of kirby multiverse /j

[vocal latch]

Would unironically be a banger world to explore

[thin prairie]

i wanna live in gcn world

because there kirby would have actually good hats for some abilities

[granite cedar]

i feel like if they unironically go down "gcn world is failed world" direction some people would be pissed

so i hope this happens 😃

[thin prairie]

i hate bomb hat and i hate hammer hat to a lesser extent

[granite cedar]

hammer hat in gcn looks bad

[vocal latch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Qz35pveaidDgAHpQtM/giphy.gif

[novel fog]

I think it would be fine as a parallel lol
could be interesting to have main world and GCN characters interact

[thin prairie]

isnt it a hard hat iirc

[granite cedar]

yes

what does it have to do with hammers

[thin prairie]

security

[novel fog]

Hammers are hard

[thin prairie]

what does some weird headband thingy have to do with hammers

[granite cedar]

also i think current hat pre-dates gcn one anyways

i dont remember but either anime or nidl debuted it first i believe

yeah it was anime i guess

looked a bit different

it was purely white

[thin prairie]

still

hard hat would be better

i love hard hat

[vocal latch]

||Lmfao imagine if the next Clash has HR-D3, then shows it being sent to another dimension and it resembles Egg Engines ||

[thin prairie]

oh fuck

[novel fog]

||HR-D3 in Clash would be cool||

[thin prairie]

would be cool

[fleet prism]

cool

[granite cedar]

the fact that im somewhat not mad that if another clash happened now

i just hope it will be an actual game now and not just free to play shit 😭

[vocal latch]

SAME

[fleet prism]

me when clash becomes relevant

[wintry turtle]

We 👏 need 👏 a 3d 👏 clash

[granite cedar]

also not just kirbies as main characters.

they do not have copy abilities anyways so i dont get why it matters

[vocal latch]

||Me when the sword hero is now young Galacta ||

[fleet prism]

Kirby RPG in the clash world let's go

[wintry turtle]

I've always loved clash and I'm so happy it's getting much more attention now

I'll gladly drop another $60 for a full gem apple tree

[vocal latch]

[fleet prism]

I don't dislike clash honestly w

Gameplay is good

[granite cedar]

i think there is a good game buried in clash. its just microtransactions and repetition hurt it

[wintry turtle]

Boss fights are probably my favorite thing about video games too so that also really helps

[fleet prism]

Microtransactions aren't forced in Super Clash thankfully

[granite cedar]

streamline it, make it an actual priced game and it will be good

[thin forge]

society if beam worked like it did in kirby clash

[fleet prism]

True!

[wintry turtle]

Actually so true

[vocal latch]

VERY true

[thin forge]

okay, question. what level were yall at when you beat aeon hero (dark)?