Sonic Leak Thread

[earnest quail]

||https://youtu.be/WmgfAMvEFVs||

Endgame spoilers

So ||Mephiles, Radical Highway, final boss, and ending||

[valid rapids]

||chat what's the lore here
why can black doom do any of this||

[earnest quail]

So here's the genuine answer:

||Whenever Shadow awakens a new Doom Power, that power is then linked to Black Doom||

[copper flame]

theres more stage themes from ShTH that i unlocked btw

[frosty wraith]

rewrite stuff

[copper flame]

i dont even remember what they talked about there in the original

||but i do like how they contextualize how sonics exactly restore the world||

[main plover]

||I do like how they keep some lines from the original here (For example in this cutscene the "Run like there's no tomorrow" line) but also for some reason I think the new voice direction oddly enough doesn't work for the old lines||

[copper flame]

||https://fxtwitter.com/stockindonut/status/1847689626829435334 ||

||knuckles: where's the angel island
classic sonic with the suspiciously angel island shaped belly:||

[main plover]

||The original Generations script was notably more lighthearted so when they take the old lines but keep the serious new voice direction it just.... sounds weird||

[main plover]

||Honestly I don't even get the problem with the original line here||

[copper flame]

honestly whether intentional or not i find the final result to be funnier

[main plover]

I guess.... but still, I feel the original line was perfectly fine here.

[copper flame]

oh for sure i dont argue

[main plover]

This does feel like "rewrite for the sake of rewrite" here

I do hope they don't change every bit of dialogue just because they can but this does lower my expectations

[copper flame]

well i can confirm that they havent changed EVERYTHING

they kept the line in the beginning referencing secret rings and colors intact

idk how further does it go though since i barely played sonic generations rn

[main plover]

I hope somebody posts the Generations cutscenes somewhere soon so I can see the changes more easily

[main plover]

Yeah, I've seen 1 or 2 unchanged lines in clips too, but this single clip of Knuckles is lowering my expectations so much

[copper flame]

honestly i think the reason this line got cut is because they were afraid that the original line is fatphobic or something

genuinely wouldnt be surprised

[main plover]

As a certified Fat Fuck™, it's really not

[copper flame]

yeah i wouldnt see it this way either but

executives be executiving

[main plover]

Theoretically after it comes out somebody could be painfully annoying and ask Ian about it but also if you care that much you should re-evaluate your life

||Anyways I really hope the music selection isn't 99% Shadow the Hedgehog (game) music but that sadly seems likely||

||Especially considering one of the unlockable songs is The Chosen One which doesn't fit the gameplay at all but is related to Shadow so it's included I guess||

[frosty wraith]

@copper flame ayo, how do i get there

[copper flame]

||there is an entrance down below that you activate with doom spears||

[main plover]

||I have to wonder what happens if you complete Orbot and Cubot's sidequest||

[copper flame]

same

[main plover]

||The main thing is collecting 80 machine parts seems really annoying lmao||

[copper flame]

i like exploring around so i dont mind tbh

it helps that they are easy to spot against monochrome environments

[astral spear]

You cannot makes this shit up. Mephiles || literally attacks you with tilted towers.||

||"urm those are pillars ☝️" shut up||

[main plover]

Wait fuck

||Fandub canon??????||

[earnest quail]

https://youtu.be/YSronrZjPmY

IT GOES SO CRAZY

[heady cloud]

(modern sonic) blaze's ||wasn't changed besides adding a line for sonic||

[valid rapids]

||dude mephile's lines in the boss battle are so comically in-line with his fandub version omfg 😭 ||

[main plover]

||I could definitely see fandub Mephiles be mad Shadow forgot him AGAIN||

[valid rapids]

||"welcome shadow, to the ultimate game of shadow-tag"
"i own you so much, shadow"||
those bitches gay gay gay gamers gay

[trail hamlet]

||I feel so bad for Mephiles even he was peeved Shadow had no idea who he was😭||

[valid rapids]

i loved it

[trail hamlet]

||Shadow is literally fighting some random ass mf||

[valid rapids]

memphis really is shadow's ex

[main plover]

||It feels like Ian took the opportunity to write a less serious Mephiles and ran with it||

[earnest quail]

https://youtu.be/KjYHLncyUgo

[valid rapids]

||"What? Did you forget about me AGAIN?" wdym again did this happen already before 😭 ||

[earnest quail]

||Ah, so that's where the Prologue credits theme plays in-game||

[main plover]

||One of his first lines in Shadow's story in 06 is him being confused Shadow didn't remember him
(Because Shadow later went to the past and sealed him)||

[earnest quail]

||If I'm not mistaken, Shadow didn't recognize Mephiles in his first encounter due to some time travel shenanigans||

[astral spear]

||When shadow first encounters Mephiles on his end, he hasn't met him before. But Mephiles knows who he is because shadow eventually goes back to seal him||

[earnest quail]

This

[valid rapids]

i need a fourth person to tell me

three aint enough sorry

[earnest quail]

Lmao

Anyways FINAL BOSS MUSIC
||https://youtu.be/KyIdHSQCsUE
https://youtu.be/J-LvUku1RHQ||

||BOTH PHASES ARE SO FUCKING PEAK||

[trail hamlet]

||When Shadow first encounters Mephiles, he..wait Mario? What are you doing? Those are our friends!!!!||

[valid rapids]

ahhh i see

[main plover]

Why is Goomba not sad? Does he enjoy this?

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-kneel-aiiieee-gif-25204089

[copper flame]

okay this is kinda cute ||if you use sa1 skin while talking to amy in base gens she says that "sonic looks young". its not the same thing she says to classic as she calls him "cute" instead||

[main plover]

||Oh my god that's a great easter egg||

[copper flame]

the skin fucking rules by the way

[main plover]

||I have to wonder if there's special dialogue anywhere for Saturn Classic Sonic and Terios then||

[copper flame]

||will have to check, but i hope so lol||

||maria comments on shadow's appearance so maybe she will say something different to terios||

||still crazy to me that shadow gens just casually has unreleased sonic x artwork as some of the unlockables. i love that show so much so this is the best kind of fanservice||

[main plover]

||It's really cool||

[copper flame]

||there is also obscure but dope stuff like level design sketches for shadow the hedgehog and sonic heroes||

[main plover]

||Only way it would be better is if they featured the theme song(s) as unlockable music (It would be really funny)||

[frosty wraith]

||im starting to think that they retconned sonic generations is the last game in the timeline at the moment||

[main plover]

||What makes you say that?||

[astral spear]

(Mephiles) ||Man I...think the phase 1 remix is kinda disappointing. At least phase 2's remix helps out a lot.||

[astral spear]

No because then ||forces doesn't make any sense||

[frosty wraith]

||well, i got far into shadow's story and i haven't seen a cutscene that explains what the heck is sunset heights and chaos island doing there||

[main plover]

||It's time travel||

[frosty wraith]

||oh yeah... Classic Sonic.||

||I'm starting to hate that bastard even more.||

[main plover]

||That's the explanation||

[astral spear]

||Well...forces doesn't make any sense, it just would make even less sense then ||

[main plover]

||I gotta love how everybody made theories on why Chaos Island was here but then the explanation was "asset reuse"||

[frosty wraith]

aint no fucking way

[main plover]

||They never explain it, it's pretty obviously either "Asset reuse", "It's cool" or both||

[grave barn]

||with the in universe reason being "time fuckery"
Even though the time eater didn't pull locations from base generations future but, you know those games didn't exist yet||

[astral spear]

||I think the in universe justification can excuse the asset re-use.||

[chilly gorge]

||they really thought they were going to do some more explanation about the ancients and stuff||

[earnest quail]

Shadow Gens' levels have no railroads

I repeat:

SHADOW GENS' LEVELS HAVE NO RAILROADS

SPEEDRUN POTENTIAL MIGHT BE INSANE

[copper flame]

yeah they dont

its like true 3d sonic

or something lmao

i hope this is the new standard

[copper flame]

i think on some levels i did some unintentional shortcuts (partially because i was being silly and partially because i thought itd be cool)

[astral spear]

(Final Boss ⚠️) ||Helloooooo Dark Mind||

[main plover]

Yeah literally only thing I personally need is a list of ||unlockable music||

[valid rapids]

||https://youtu.be/yqa_zPVXPVw?si=wpK4a6KveGtNPoMf||
well there's the ||i am all of me|| remix i guess

no vocals.....................................

[heady cloud]

How did you select that skin??

[heady cloud]

||are you talking about the rescue cutscene or the dialogue in white space????||

[main plover]

||Honestly at this point my only specific rewrite hope is that the "Super Sonic style" line isn't removed.
It's in fucking Smash Bros. and everything, it deserves to stay||

[astral spear]

||Same with the bum ass sonic 4 super sonic music||

[frosty wraith]

||in the game select screen||

[heady cloud]

https://x.com/soniccitynet/status/1847775089212715256
These pages are in the game or are exclusive to the physical version?

Sonic City ⋆★ Sonic News, Media & Community ★⋆🦔💨 (@soniccitynet) on...

Here are some scans from Professor Gerald's Journal, included with pre-orders of #SonicXShadowGenerations!

#SonicNews

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 11:01 PM

[astral spear]

Holy fucking shit
||Eggman's dad reveal||

||And Maria's||

[verbal token]

||i hope it's gone i've always hated that line in smash 4 onwards||

||NOW I'LL SHOW YOU, RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH from brawl was the cooler one||

[valid rapids]

||one of them looks like walter white||

[earnest quail]

https://vxtwitter.com/ProDahGamer/status/1847781038048661614

HOLY SHIT ALL MODS WORK IN SXSH GENERATIONS, WE ACTUALLY WON

[astral spear]

Of course it's sonic.exe

[main plover]

Now i'll show you is stupid and lame
Source: Your mom

[verbal token]

now why would my defunct mother say such a thing

[main plover]

Because now i'll show you IS stupid and lame

Anyways which one do you think is ||Eggman's dad ||

[astral spear]

||Right one||

[valid rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/walt-walnterwite-walter-stare-staring-breaking-bad-gif-8185929955267525825

[main plover]

||Honestly same, right one looks more shifty, like he would raise his son to be evil as hell||

[astral spear]

||I AM THE ONE WHO (Egg)-NOGGS||

[main plover]

Wait a minute I just realised

||WHERE THE HELL DOES WESTOPOLIS PLAY||

[astral spear]

Also wtf is that last page

[earnest quail]

||Probably the movie DLC||

[main plover]

||Well yeah but that's lame, I was hoping for them to make some weird arrangement of the movie soundtrack or something||

[verbal token]

sorry but every line spouted by sonic in smash 4 is automatically terrible by virtue of them surviving and you're too slow not making it in

[main plover]

BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T RECORD NEW LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[verbal token]

nah they absolutely could

lol

[main plover]

ROGER IS A UNION VOICE ACTOR AND SMASH IS A NON-UNION GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!

[verbal token]

you can re-record lines if you decide to go uncredited (like anthony del rio was for pit)

otherwise we'd be stuck with lani minella for pit lol

or just stock voices for pit which there aren't

[main plover]

Well yes but who said Roger wanted to go uncredited

Also Pit has the Palutena's Guidances and everything while Sonic is another one of 80-something fighters

[verbal token]

the final product should reflect good quality no matter the circumstances, plus it's not like he's a complete unknown since he'd still get lots of credit for any sonic titles

[verbal token]

about 49 in smash 4 lol

ultimate is the one with 80

[main plover]

Ok, 40-something fighters

[verbal token]

either way i don't care about the unionization explanation because it still makes for an inferior delivery compared to the prior game

[main plover]

There's higher priority characters to record new lines for, and Sonic isn't on there because Japan hated him at the time

[verbal token]

no um acshuallys can really justify it

[main plover]

It is the actual explanation though

[astral spear]

Is it actually

[verbal token]

it may explain it but won't justify it lol

no idea why you're so stuck up defending that

[frosty wraith]

Say the line, Vector!

(this is probably the only line in the entire game that didn't get rewritten at all.)

[heady cloud]

Blaze's also wasn't

[verbal token]

why is he gonna channel force lightning at the end

[frosty wraith]

which side.

[main plover]

Almost definitely, only union voice actor to record new lines is Pit's and he wasn't credited

[earnest quail]

Tbh I don't know how you could possibly make this animation work with any other dialogue lol

[astral spear]

True

[heady cloud]

Modern

[main plover]

He literally pantomimes the word monster

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[astral spear]

Foxy when you don't flash the light at him enough:

[verbal token]

fnaf security breach

[heady cloud]

||where? Only see the eshop button||

[frosty wraith]

uhhh

[main plover]

Also it's foreshadowing that works for the character (because he's a detective)

[frosty wraith]

||you sure you have the dlc???||

[verbal token]

but yeah if they could rerecord lines for fox or ness and the like in smash 4 then sonic should have gotten the same treatment instead of being stuck to just stock voice clips

so i hope super sonic style is written out

[frosty wraith]

||or maybe you don't have version 1.0.1||

[verbal token]

give me something more fanservicey

because super sonic style just reminds me of the awful neglect sonic suffered in smash 4 onwards

[main plover]

Honestly this conversation has shifted my opinion from "They should keep it because it's iconic" to "I hope they keep it to spite you specifically"

[heady cloud]

||oh. Didn't even know it already had an update||

[verbal token]

man you got an attitude problem then

[heady cloud]

And he was the one that found out who their client was in heroes

[main plover]

I'm just a very spiteful person

[verbal token]

i'm voicing my disatisffaction with this line and voice direction and you just want to cement it instead of trying to talk or discuss it out

yeah i can tell

[main plover]

Ok i'm sorry

[verbal token]

i hope you enjoy those seconds of joy you're getting

[main plover]

I'll try to be a less of an asshole until the conversation finishes

[astral spear]

I think the super sonic style line works. It's the sonic 4 music that makes it awkward

[main plover]

Honestly I like the Sonic 4 music

[grave barn]

I remember like
A this is Sparta type remix for super sonic style

[main plover]

It's only really awkward if you know it's from Sonic 4 and have a negative opinion of it

[astral spear]

True true

[valid rapids]

i really hope sonic changes his line to "gotta eat chilli dog" and the music changes to sonic eraser ost just to spite everyone in the entire world

[grave barn]

Peak

[main plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

My personal opinion is they should change every Classic Sonic song to Sonic Spinball's options theme and every Modern Sonic song to Central City from Chronicles

[rich knoll]

and every boss theme to nocturne

[grave barn]

Every line will be replaced by the most
Show horned in reference that has nothing to do with anything
Also shadow is gunned down

[main plover]

"Woah that Green Hill seemed awfully Sonic Jam Game.Com to me, do you think that means anything my good pal Miles "Sonic Colours Ultimate" Prower?"

[heady cloud]

||I'm sure at least one person is going to be mad because sa1 Sonic still is voiced by roger lol||

[main plover]

Oh almost definitely

[astral spear]

||And grass is green||

[main plover]

The only true constant of the universe is Sonic fans will complain

I need sleep.

[heady cloud]

Beat every sonic gens stage

[main plover]

It took me a second to understand that was a statement and not a command

[frosty wraith]

lol

[heady cloud]

FINALLY BEAT SILVER

[astral spear]

"Maria...is this what you wanted?"

[verbal token]

there's a starman
waiting in the sky

[heady cloud]

||and it also is in base gens||

Beat the egg dragoon

HOW DID I GET S????

||Instead of tails asking why eggman is there, now he says they need to defeat the root of the problem and considers doing a truce with eggman||

[frosty wraith]

and its still there!!! :D

[long slate]

||They really neglected the sonic side isnt it lol?||

[earnest quail]

Good. Just great. Isn't this awesome? Doesn't it feel outstanding? Aren't you just filled with... uhh... amazing?

I know I could've said amazement but dammit, I wanted to keep the reference in tact

[heady cloud]

||They didn't change anything from the cutscene before the time eater 😭||

[earnest quail]

||Did they change anything for the Time Eater?||

[frosty wraith]

||dialogues.||

||...and that's about it.||

[heady cloud]

||In battle?||

[earnest quail]

||I mean,||

[heady cloud]

||because the cutscene is the same thing ||

[earnest quail]

||At least there's less "THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOMING SHOT"||

[heady cloud]

||it has the same amount i think 😭||

[earnest quail]

||I am going to scream||

[verbal token]

||not with sonic 2 up in here!||

[frosty wraith]

||Sonic 4 theme starts playing||

[heady cloud]

I hate thr time eater(and 90% of other super sonic bosses tbh)

At least in the other games i can SEE THE RINGS

[frosty wraith]

also fun fact

||the homing attack button practically is still the same in the new control configuration||

[heady cloud]

3 minutes and i still can't get the second hit!!!!
I hate time eater

[astral spear]

||WHO'S UP HOMING THEY SHOTS RN||

[frosty wraith]

still find it funny that sega removed the early access for the switch version and still got the game leaked anyway lmaooo

[astral spear]

(Shadow Gens Final boss) ||Shadow Gens having a fire final boss vs Sonic Gens having Mid Eater will be fucking funny in contrast.||

||Actual 10 year difference in final bosses.||

||You could say it's two generations of final bosses||

https://tenor.com/view/joke-punchline-lol-hades-gif-8655946

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

"OH BROTHER, THIS GUY STINKS!"

[heady cloud]

FINALLY GOT 2 HITS AND I DIED BECAUSE OF RINGS

HOW DO I BEAT TIME EATER

[earnest quail]

Hold boost and pray for the best

[astral spear]

Can't you swap sonics and ignore time Eater to stockpile rings

Or does that not work

[earnest quail]

Nope

Stuff only happens in the dimension Time Eater is in

[astral spear]

Makes sense

[earnest quail]

Even if rings do show up in the other dimension (incredibly rare), you can never switch in time to grab the rings

Like, the animation is literally too slow

[frosty wraith]

Wtf you guys waffling about

[earnest quail]

Time Eater sucking ass

[astral spear]

Mid Eater

[frosty wraith]

Isn't Time Water easy as fuck?

[earnest quail]

It's nonsensical

That's the problem

You literally just hold boost and pray for the best

[verbal token]

Time Waster

[earnest quail]

Also fun fact: You're not swapping Sonics

You're always controlling Modern Sonic

And Classic Sonic is always just a useless missile

[heady cloud]

Is there any way to skip the time slowndown?

And what does classic sonic misille attack even do

[chilly gorge]

pretty sure not

i think the missile is used to destroy the debris and homing shots

and thats it

[heady cloud]

GOT A THIRD HIT FOR THE FIRST TIME

BEAT THE TIME EATER

TO THAT SONIC 4 MUSIC!!!

||Amy still punches knuckles but he isn't launched to the tree ||

||instead of classic tails asking where sonic keeps his rings, now asks if the timeline will be back to normal||

I think the credits are the same thing

Heroes credits video lagging 😭

Beat gens in 5 hours and 10 minutes

Starting shadow now

[frosty wraith]

WHAT DA HELL!!!

[frosty wraith]

ight so

||decided to enter the statue room and everything in there is unlocked||

[frosty wraith]

Also, ||Eggman's dad and uncle||

[upbeat reef]

||okay what the hell even if she's not actually writing the book evan STILL manages to add to the lore this is CRAZY||

[copper flame]

||Enjoyed the level design in this Sunset Heights mission||

Oh wow ||if you homing attack bells on the mission gates, a note appears that you have to chase in the white space and if you catch it you get more artwork||

[copper flame]

||Oh my goodness i start to care about Maria now nooooooo||

[lapis tiger]

||those first two lines go so hard||

[main plover]

What?
It's silly slapstick comedy, is that not even allowed anymore?

[copper flame]

i think its the only decision i straight up disagree with yeah

i think slapstick is allowed (its present in promotional animations sega makes)

but maybe this moment in particular irked them for some reason

[heady cloud]

I liked it because it was one of the few places we could see amy's strengh
Tho i assune they changed it because he would have hit the chao?

[copper flame]

oh there were chao present?

ig that would explain it

[main plover]

They could have just moved the Chao.

[copper flame]

||chaos island act 1 is so fucking peak wtf. might be my favorite 3d level in the game so far||

||not that the others were bad, not at all. its just particularly stood out. also it has no radical highway section btw. only 3d levels that seem to have it are ark act 1, rail canyon act 1 and sunset heights act 1||

[main plover]

||tbf that's half the 3D stages||

||Though I will say not including Eagles is a missed opportunity, having enemies that double as bars you can swing on is just such a good concept||

||Especially considering they included 2 types of Soldier||

[copper flame]

||true but id say only level it truly overshadowed the main level was sunset heights act 1 and even then act 1 was still lengthy enough before radical highway section came||

||i only say overshadowed because radical highway section there is like. deranged in the best way possible||

||its like them taking their attempts at trippy visuals/level designs from forces and actually making them trippy||

Lmaoo

[main plover]

Honestly that's true

||All the fan media of Shadow beating up Classic Sonic or whatever is out of character because he would definitely prefer Classic Sonic over Modern||

[copper flame]

||holy shit mephiles fight is so fucking good||

||THEY ARE REMIXING THE SAD TRACK FROM SA2 CUTSCENES NOW NOOOOOO||

||HITTING LIKE A TRUCK||

||it was used a lot in sonic x season 3 so i lowkey associate it more with that but still||

[trail hamlet]

||https://fxtwitter.com/jewelinhistory1/status/1847814432870576489?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg|| (Journal spoilers)

||This is fucking crazy man they sure were doing some "experimentation" up there||

||This is the funniest and saddest way to explain why Abe is there this is crazy||

[main plover]

||Is that why Maria was like family to him? Because his actual parents disliked him?||

[copper flame]

oh remember that angry expression youtube thumbnail

its real and its from in-engine cutscene lol

actually insane how much of an upgrade animation got in this game

[astral spear]

Which one?

[copper flame]

uhhh

lemme find it

https://x.com/SonicCountdwn/status/1843728199307669999

Sonic The Hedgehog Countdown (@SonicCountdwn) on X

#SonicXShadowGenerations no way this is the current models... this looks so good HELLO ??? ACTUAL EXPRESSIONS ON MY SONIC MODEL ???

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 7:00 PM

this

even i thought back then that it was edited lol

but no its real

[astral spear]

Animation department absolutely popped the fuck off for this one

[copper flame]

holy shit

[main plover]

I was convinced it was an elaborate fake

[copper flame]

||gerald called shadow his son||

[main plover]

||Does that make Shadow Eggman's uncle||

[copper flame]

||i guess lmao 😭 ||

||im sure eggman will be pissed about this information||

[astral spear]

||Reading the Journal just before....the tale of Gerald Robotnik is such a fucking tragedy.||

[main plover]

||Something I find funny is that Doom Wings are just a painfully obvious substitute for Super Shadow||

||Flight, invincibility, can only be activated with 50+ rings, drains ring count||

[copper flame]

||super shadow if it was RAW||

[main plover]

||Super Shadow kinda sucks honestly, he's the exact same as usual but yellow||

||Doom Wings are much cooler||

[copper flame]

oh my GOD

||SHADOW SMILED||

[earnest quail]

||Okay but let me raise you one:||

[copper flame]

||SINCERELY SMILED||

[earnest quail]

||Super Shadow with the wings||

[main plover]

||Counterpoint: Yellow doesn't work as well as black for Shadow imo||

[copper flame]

||radical highway is kicking my ass ngl||

||in general to me it seems like levels in shadow generations are more demanding than in sonic generations||

[main plover]

||Yeah, the footage I watched earlier had the guy die so much||
||Of course many of those deaths came from the fact he didn't understand how Cyclones and Spark Beetles worked (Despite him understanding the functionally identical Needle Flappers earlier)||

||btw I will say how they reinterpreted those enemies to work with Chaos Spear was very fun||

||Oh and on the topic of enemies I'm just gonna say it's somewhat weird the "generic flying enemy" for White Space is Flappers considering the generic grounded enemy was Gun Hunters||

||Really would have expected Gun Beetles||

[frosty wraith]

||I actually managed to beat Radical Highway act 2 in my first try||

[chilly gorge]

||so yeah what are the thoughts on Radical Highway||
||from what i've seen, I don't think it's exactly eggmanland 2.0 in terms of length or difficulty, but it does seem to be pretty cool||
||like is it a step above the other levels or is it a bit too indistinguishable to be a "final" level?||

[copper flame]

||i havent touched act 2 yet but act 1 took me a couple of tries||

[copper flame]

||it does seem more like a final level, than, say, planet wisp, that's for sure. it tests most of the mechanics that were established earlier and i think challenging than most previous levels (which weren't braindead easy either mind you)||

||i will reserve full judgement until i play act 2 however. but i am satisfied so far||

||oh yeah it also helps that it has pretty impressive build up with the lighting and the vibe in the white space changing and offering somewhat challenging obstacle course in order to get to the level proper||

[main plover]

Actually is there a statue room in Shadow Generations?

I would have to guess there isn't but

[frosty wraith]

||I don't think there is||

Also does anyone ||have a link to the title screen theme||

||goes fucking hard||

[main plover]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kW3hRxvYQQ||

[earnest quail]

||They went crazy on a fucking title theme||

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/kamelot-peak-music-roy-khan-dies-from-peak-gif-3986880124004643816

[copper flame]

this one btw ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYTP4O9ui4 ||

the best track they couldve possibly bring back honestly

i bet this person will be happy

[hasty agate]

||https://youtu.be/NNIEoyZTe8U?si=TAvxXxv3hFZQJNcl||

[verbal token]

Chat is this first what I'm made of remix we've got since the original

Since crush 40 always sings sonic heroes over it

[astral spear]

To my knowledge yeah

||And its still with the originals vocals||

||(which is perfect)||

[main plover]

Gerald's Journal stuff
||https://vxtwitter.com/Ovirtuous_/status/1847810207075782872||

[grave barn]

||I bet the 4 rivals 2 fans are really excited over this||

[astral spear]

||Ifrit?||

[grave barn]

||this thing||

[astral spear]

||What the FUCK is that||

[main plover]

||Final boss of Sonic Rivals 2||

||It's a hell demon that destroyed an entire alternate dimension||

||And Gerald researched it, because of course he did||

[astral spear]

||How the fuck...when the fuck....||

[frosty wraith]

||aka, Iblis 2.0||

[main plover]

||I don't think it's ever explained how he researched it, he just did||

||And then that fat fuck Eggman Nega tried to release it onto the world and failed miserably||

[frosty wraith]

||and likely died.||

[main plover]

||Possibly, yeah||

[frosty wraith]

||Because Espio and Silver leave him while he is stuck under some rumble, begging for help.||

[main plover]

||Though that's one of those deaths they could undo in 1 minute through a flashback of him leaving||

[astral spear]

Okay ||re-reading the journal implies it was much earlier on. Before he even found the Gizoid||

[main plover]

||Though Rivals 2 being canon alongside Sonic x Shadow Generations means that from Metal Sonic's perspective Shadow beat the shit out of him in his strongest form while personally insulting him and then a few months later he would be forced to work with him||

[trail hamlet]

||Based||

[main plover]

||I love that "age" part because
I mean I GUESS IT'S TRUE ||

[astral spear]

||Why would the Neo Metal battle be canon to metal sonic.||

||Unless you meant the fight in heroes which whoops||

[main plover]

||I mean the classic characters seem to remember the events of Generations, why wouldn't Metal Sonic remember this battle?||

||Either way as you said he technically helped fight him in Heroes||

||Anyways final fun Ifrit fact is that it eats Chao alive to get stronger||

||Oh and it has mind control||

[copper flame]

lol even my twitter mutual who hates shadow said that the story and characterization in this game is good, this is how we know we are winning

[valid rapids]

I love this channel so much
||https://youtu.be/FnzonfRT32I?si=4I10z0pW2jF2HZIG||

[earnest quail]

||DAMMIT DOOM'S EYE, ENOUGH WITH THE RADICAL HIGHWAY JUMPSCARES||

[valid rapids]

Thank you Doom's Eye

[astral spear]

||"I fucking love radical highway shadow"||

[copper flame]

||radical highway act 2 WILL kick your ass||

[heady cloud]

||FINALLY BEAT SPEED HIGHWAY||

||and beat the final boss!!||

Shadow generations is SO MUCH BETTER
AND I ALREADY LOVED SONIC GENERATIONS

[copper flame]

i want to say that i like shadow generations better but i fear that it might be recensy bias

plus i havent replayed gens in years so i will reserve my judgement until i do

i already know that aside from cutscene rewrites the games is untouched in terms of gameplay and graphics (in a good way) so it shouldnt affect my view of it negatively

[frosty wraith]

The only complaint I have is that you can't use the bumpers to switch rails

You must use the joystick

[heady cloud]

I think i did that

(using the bumpers to swap rails

[main plover]

What if you keep accidentally inputing Modern Sonic's Drop Dash though

That could affect your view of it negatively

[copper flame]

i played through first 2 modern sonic levels and never even encountered drop dash

[main plover]

Well yeah but uhhhh

||idk I hope they make the Drop Dash an optional skill for Modern Sonic too, idk why it's only allowed to be taken off for Classic Sonic||

||Almost feels like a mistake||

[copper flame]

there is actually a day one patch for switch version leaked

idk what it fixed so maybe it fixed that

ill check later

[main plover]

I hope so

||Also Twitter users got their hands on Amy's updated bio (Which removed every mention of her liking Sonic and added a mention of Tarot Cards) and are predictably yelling about it again||

||Feels more justified here though since this is a remake of an older game where she was very obviously into Sonic and never used Tarot Cards||

[copper flame]

this whole discourse is stupid tbh

amy barely matters in generations and whenever she showed any sign of personality it was about her being head over heels for sonic which isnt exactly compelling characterization

[lapis tiger]

I can understand complaining for Frontiers stuff but not much else yeah

[copper flame]

i dont think cutscene animations were handled the best but i think writing wise all is sound

[main plover]

Honestly I feel they could have at least kept the joke where Sonic holds her back in the intro while changing everything else
Would keep her crush on Sonic intact without pretending it never existed

[copper flame]

honestly i dont even think they pretend that it doesnt exist

otherwise any hints at it in the comics would be removed

its just heavily toned down

[lapis tiger]

(especially when I see people think her using a Piko Piko Hammer made her more 'mature'/'manly' (what))

[copper flame]

and considering her portrayal in the game was very flanderized

[copper flame]

oh yeah she doesnt even use it in the game either

or even shows having it

so its in the same boat as tarot cards

[main plover]

She does use the hammer in a mission

[copper flame]

oh she does?

[main plover]

yeah

[copper flame]

aight then lol

well outside of that it doesnt really come up

[main plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBr5RnRnsKk

[copper flame]

||okay extra missions in shadow generations are unlocked once you beat the final boss. this also unlocks harder modes for all bosses.||

[lapis tiger]

though tbh I do wonder how many Sonic fans actually know what a Piko Piko Hammer is

[copper flame]

i would hope a lot of people know of it

but funnily enough it really havent showed up in the games all that often lately

[lapis tiger]

I didn't actually realize what they were until like few years ago admittedly lol

[main plover]

I'll be honest I don't know what Piko Piko means but it's effectively a squeaky hammer right

[lapis tiger]

yeah

[copper flame]

oh you mean in this sense

yeah i figured

[lapis tiger]

Kirby's used them (thanks Battle Royale and FL), Bowser Jr. and Isabelle in Smash have used them, etc.

[main plover]

I do honestly feel the Piko Piko Hammer is very inconsistently used

Even in the 2000s she sometimes rarely used it in games

[copper flame]

yeah

[copper flame]

well actually i say that but her moveset in sonic origins does revolve around it

[main plover]

I feel the annoyance around the cards is somewhat more annoying because it's kinda emblematic of her having less general personality
But also when the options are "boy crazy" or "unsalted potato" idk which is better

[copper flame]

tbh idk why her having additional hobbies even should classify as substitute for personality

once again she's perfectly fine in the likes of IDW and Murder of

in Generations she was as one note as they came in the first place

[chilly gorge]

||deadass im happy that hard mode is still in there||

[copper flame]

(so were other characters so its not like problem of just Amy)

[main plover]

Honestly i'm not exactly considering IDW and Murder here, just the main games

She's good in those

[copper flame]

thats the thing

we only had frontiers from the main games after the direction shift

so counting main games is kinda difficult in this conversation

amy's more goofy personality traits wouldnt fit that game which is why she's more downplayed there (as were others)

and she's ||not in shadow gens||

ig ill spoil that since its technically a spoiler

[main plover]

I would say she's a little downplayed in Superstars (Though nobody really acted like anything there)

[copper flame]

guys, i think i found the best dialogue exchange in sonic's history

[main plover]

?

[copper flame]

i will send it in a bit

[main plover]

||Big cat requires Big challenge||

[chilly gorge]

||that's why he's the goat||

[verbal token]

||question, which friend is used for each shadow level? i was having a hard time rationalizing big but then i reached the conclusion he could be the frontiers pick||

||this looks more like kingdom valley tho||

[copper flame]

||i unlocked him after kingdom valley||

[main plover]

||Omega - ARK
Orbot and Cubot - Rail Canyon
Big - Kingdom Valley
Maria and Gerald - Sunset Heights
Rouge - Chaos Island||

[main plover]

I think at least

[copper flame]

yeah basically

||they aren't frozen in time in traditional sense like friends in gens btw||

||at least they aren't shown to be this way||

[verbal token]

||aw, yeah they aren't tied to their respective level then, bit of a bummer but expected||

||if reordered somehow....
Rouge - Ark
Omega - Rail Canyon
Mario and Gerald - Kingdom Valley (closest thing to the year 2005)
Orbot and Cubot - Sunset Heights
Big - Chaos Island||

but this lineup seems to work better narratively so i got no issue with it

[grave barn]

||holy shit Mario is in this game?||

[main plover]

||tbf not only were the ones in the original game not paired based on logic either but Orbot & Cubot have an entire sidequest so getting access to that early on makes sense||

||btw do we still not know what happens if you finish that quest?||

[copper flame]

im working on it

||got 60 bolts so far||

||out of 80||

||its kinda fun looking for them, reminds me of collectathons||

[main plover]

||I can't wait for it to be extremely underwhelming||

[verbal token]

||yeah, tho i do like all the picks they did for generations and each partner level since only two or three are real outliers
green hill - tails: perfect, sonic's best buddy should come first
chemical plant - amy, also works well, given this is the closest we got to a CD stage
angel island - knux, yep, he's the sonic 3 guy
station square - cream, bit odd but when you remember she cameos in SADX in station square, and that chao debuted here, she feels welcome
city escape - rouge, yep, works great too
seaside hill - espio, yep as well
crisis city - blaze, also works perfect
then there's vector for rooftop run and charmy for planet wisp and they're the only real outliers||

[copper flame]

||whatever it is, i hope at least it will be accompanied by funny dialogue||

[main plover]

||It's Ian's writing for Orbot and Cubot, it will probably be good||

[copper flame]

yeah i already enjoy the dialogue there is here so far

in general dialogue for all npcs is pretty great and it gets updated frequently in-between levels and bosses

[main plover]

Yeah original Generations did that sometimes too

[copper flame]

||omega points out that since black arms can morph their bodies into weapons, shadow should try morphing his hands into guns||

[main plover]

For example after you complete one mission where you race Knuckles if you talk to him he talks about only losing because of the giant Badniks within that mission

[main plover]

||Wait Omega is cooking||

[copper flame]

hes always cooking

||rouge calls shadow out for indulging himself with his past after he supposedly moved on from it. reminds him that he's not the same person he was 50 years ago||

||i like that she's the one to give it to him straight.||

[main plover]

||Yeah, she's probably the closest (living) person to him so she's a good option||

[copper flame]

the dialogue after that is funny though

||she asks him if itd be ok for her to steal treasure in the past before security systems got invented. but then she realized that if she steals them in the past they can never become valuable in the future||

lowkey made me realize that in the base gens theres barely any dialogue where characters acknowledge time travel beyond "zomg look at all these locations we've been to before (maybe)!"

[main plover]

||That's very classic Rouge||

[copper flame]

also i already complimented animations a lot but

even just dialogue where characters stand around and talk are much more fun to look at

because characters got really good idle animations

like rouge does this laugh

https://tenor.com/view/to-love-ru-nana-astar-deviluke-ohoho-laugh-anime-gif-16138123629783231490

couldnt find better gif comparison but this works

[main plover]

||I saw that Cubot does a thumbs up I think||

[copper flame]

yup

oh yeah i havent given my thoughts on the final boss

||i think its really good, im glad that its full blown final boss with 2 different health bars. its really not called perfect black doom idk where this came from. unless its a name for him in the hard mode||

||sadly i barely heard all hail shadow remix while i played the game portably gotta listen to that now separately lol||

[main plover]

Also allegedly the unlockable music is primarily ||"THE SHADOW LEVELS FROM SA2, SHADOW 05, SONIC 06 AND HEROES" and "SOME FORCES REMIXES AND I BELIEVE CHAOS ISLAND MOVEMENTS"||
Sourced from the guy who uploaded the OST
Oh and also ||Sonic Boom and some other vocal themes||

[copper flame]

i can confirm the pattern so far

[frosty wraith]

i decided to check some cutscenes in japanese for the sonic generations part

and dude, eggman's voice line are so fucking out sync with his animation

[main plover]

The issues with the rewrite in full effect, huh?

[copper flame]

im gonna assume the japanese voice track is unchanged

i think its kinda funny that the biggest objective flaw of the game so far is the lipsync in sonic generations part

makes me wonder if the idea of the rewrite came later down the line

[frosty wraith]

oh

post game spoiler
||completing shadow's story gives you the option to enable a hard mode once you enter your save file again||

[copper flame]

wait

||is hard mode just for bosses or also levels||

[copper flame]

oh wait

yeah i saw that

i misread your message a bit ||i thought there was an option for new game plus||

but yeah ||thats where all other extra missions come from||

||didnt experience those yet, focusing on bolts lol||

[heady cloud]

What 2000's game didn't have it? Shadow?

[frosty wraith]

rewrite stuff... IN JAPANESE!!!

time eater cutscene

[copper flame]

man cutscene music in gens is so sauceless

[main plover]

||She didn't use it a lot in Heroes iirc||

[copper flame]

lmao

[copper flame]

okay no

the stuff in japanese is also rewritten

i can tell because its a different eggman va

[main plover]

Here's the english rewrite so you might understand what's going on ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qX50bvsXmA||

[copper flame]

original jp eggman va unfortunately passed away

[frosty wraith]

yeah, i know

[copper flame]

lip sync here doesnt look bad

[astral spear]

Saddening. His performance in Sonic X was really good.

[main plover]

And i'm gonna be honest watching this kinda proves the thing I briefly mentioned yesterday (or the day before) where I feel the new direction doesn't work for the lines they kept

[frosty wraith]

wait until the pc version releases and the first thing they mod is changing shadow's line back to the original one

"You've got this, Sonic."

[copper flame]

tbh id say rewrites were worth it for this cutscene alone

i can take it seriously now

original writing was just too corny

[main plover]

Honestly I respect the parts with Sonic's friends but Eggman's rewritten lines were made worse

[copper flame]

also again its kinda wild to see that cutscene direction is so much better in shadow gens

im glad that shadow gens did a lot of things better than the original

[main plover]

I feel Sonic Generations was the last game before cutscenes were shot horribly

[copper flame]

id say the quality of cutscene direction is about the same in generations and lost world

forces is the first game where its laughably bad

and frontiers is all over the place (from cheap to bad to occasionally decent)

[long slate]

||Mario lol||

[copper flame]

mario needed to be in the game tbh

wouldve been 10/10

[long slate]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-mario-rpg-level-up-gif-14169015394825675348

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-sunshine-shadow-mario-tongue-tongue-out-video-game-gif-17647788

that feeling when sunshine's plot is basically adventure 1 and 2's plots combined

[main plover]

But better

[verbal token]

chad bowser in his bathtub far surpasses sissy ass gerald about to be shot at gunpoint i agree

[copper flame]

||i do wonder now how tokyo level will fit in all of this. I definitely don't think it's gonna have any real story justification, moreso in terms of gameplay||

||will it be added to the white space? If so, where, each level has a themed area with platforming challenges and such||

[main plover]

||They might just add an extra area to the outskirts of White Space||

We already knew about the actual ||Amy pushing Knuckles|| change but holy shit Amy just sounds like Minnie Mouse at this point ||https://vxtwitter.com/Gumidess/status/1848040518111899667||

[trail hamlet]

||Awww I kinda wish they kept the push||

[verbal token]

i think she sounded minnier in shadow 2005

[heady cloud]

Nah she's the one character that isn't a villain that does anything

[heady cloud]

||charmy works. You find him there in ds||

[astral spear]

||The slap is pretty funny, Knuckles is flabbergasted||

[heady cloud]

||she uses it in her tornado attack, and if you hold the a button she glides with it||

[frosty wraith]

y'know

something that kinda annoys me is that classic sonic mess that happened cuz of sega and their shit with the canon

they first said that classic sonic was now from another dimension (which i think makes sense, cuz generations was practically a game that messed up the timeline)

and now they said that he's no longer from another dimension?

[heady cloud]

Him being from another timeline was never intended iirc

That was just an error in forces

[frosty wraith]

idk, i prefer the timeline split thing

[heady cloud]

Always hated it and i'm glad they never intended it to happen

[frosty wraith]

I'm beating you up.

[verbal token]

wasn't the another dimension thing just a mistranslation lol

[heady cloud]

Gives me hope we'll see mighty, ray, honey(and i guess sally, bunny and rotor since they were in spinball) in modern games

[frosty wraith]

idk???

who wrote the story then??

[heady cloud]

No it's also there in japanese

[verbal token]

ah nevermind then

[heady cloud]

But it's called another world instead

[verbal token]

sekai

[copper flame]

It was intended to be a retcon but imo it was always stupid

Because even if there was a timeline split (which imo doesn't make much sense), it would still be the same world lol

Classic Sonic and the rest would have to eventually "mature" into their modern iterations there too

[astral spear]

I wonder why the lyrical version of ||supporting me|| isn't in the game

Even though it exists

[main plover]

||Allegedly the Forces version is unlockable, which has lyrics||
||Probably also the original||

[astral spear]

I mean
For the shadow gens remix

[main plover]

Oh in that case uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[trail hamlet]

||https://youtu.be/NNIEoyZTe8U?si=6zVs5mZeFNujPORa||

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-club-party-hard-gif-13095358

[chilly gorge]

||shadow gens is black doom forcing shadow to play his radical highway super mario maker level multiple times||

[copper flame]

||Letting the whole story sink in, it's lowkey insane? Like as a whole it's not the most complex Sonic narrative or anything, it's very much driven by characters rather than exciting events (similarly to Frontiers), but character writing is really good and emotional moments are impactful. Plus all lore and world building is genuinely dope||

||Black Doom is a very fun hammy antagonist and great foil to Shadow||

[astral spear]

||Black Doom may be Shadow's biggest Glazer.||

[little egret]

Oh wtf there's been an entire sonic x shadow leak thread I missed

Me looking for when this channel opened like 'oh 2 weeks ago'

[verbal token]

smh faye forgetting about her past legacy in this thread smh

[main plover]

More cutscene rewrite stuff
||https://vxtwitter.com/sonicstadium/status/1848354299253776541||

[copper flame]

yeah i documented my whole playthrough here basically lol

[main plover]

||I'll be honest I dislike the implication here that already guessed it was time travel before Modern Sonic met Classic Sonic||

||I feel that's one hell of a conclusion to jump to||

[copper flame]

i can technically go to the vanilla gens now since i havent really played it in like

...12 years

but i still didnt ||rebuild orbot's and cubot's rocket nor did all the challenges so uhhhhh!!!! not yet!||

[valid rapids]

||...even with the obvious clock motif of the area and time eater?||

[main plover]

||I mean I GUESS they could figure it out from Tails seeing Classic Sonic and the Death Egg in the background of Sky Sanctuary||

[main plover]

||I own a clock but i'm not a time traveler||

[valid rapids]

do you own a giant clock door with a vortex

[main plover]

||They also quite literally never learn the name of the Time Eater..... literally ever||

[main plover]

||No, but that still doesn't automatically mean time travel imo||

[valid rapids]

||i feel like tails would not be dumb enough to not understand time-related shenanigans were going on||

[main plover]

||I guess, but I still feel the original dialogue just works a bit better here||

[valid rapids]

||sometimes tails is very dumb, other times he's super genius, and some other times its sonic lost world||

[little egret]

For some reason Colors just like
Directly remixed the same cutscene music from 06 and then Generations just made more music in that same style
Never understood that because that theme was mid af (In general 06 music that wasn't the vocal tracks or remixes of those vocal tracks were mid af)

[little egret]

Me reading that one guy talking about the mod in the past who had a Son Biten pfp that leaked Frontiers here

(I do not remember doing that at all but makes sense ig???)

Anyway lemme post my thoughts from watching a bunch of cutscenes and boss fights and stuff

||Wait what Chaos Control came from Black Doom???
Also Mephiles is giving me HUGE King Sombra vibes where they made him super campy compared to his original depiction because of his reputation in the fandom lol
Wait is Doom Wing like. A final boss ability that they let you replay levels with
That's hilarious if that's the case
So it's basically just super sonic reskinned
I can't wait to deal with annoying people online that are like 'why did they spoil this' as if it was a bad idea to show it off instead of it being some Darkspine shit
Ah so that one shot of Shadow was actually from in-game
Oh they made that thing under Devil Doom into a weird growth instead of a giant rock looking thing, sure
Oh wait no I was like 'oh so that weird new angel ball thing wasn't the rock at the bottom?' but it is in phase 2 he at least has something that looks like it down there
Oh wait you literally have a ring timer it really is just super sonic reskinned lmfao
Omg that 'whatever' from Rouge you fucking valley girl
Well that ending with Maria and Gerald makes sense, kinda wanted them to just be like 'yea they're rescued now, they'll live somewhere peacefully but never be mentioned again'
Like they resolve it nicely for Maria with how she's like 'no matter what happens to me in the future I'll stay in your heart' but like
Gerald lol dude became a madman that wanted to kill everyone he did not have a 'happy' end like Maria
Wait actually Chaos Control coming from black doom makes no sense, if it does then why can Biolizard use Chaos Control
I get you can easily go 'well Gerald didn't switch to Shadow until a bit after the deal with Black Doom so maybe Biolizard also has a bit of Black Arms DNA in it' which would also explain why it does the wing thing in this game (though it uses them exclusively like arms but at least I think it's meant to be a parallel to the wings?)||

[lapis tiger]

yeah you posted a bunch of cutscenes back then lol

[main plover]

||All the shitty Smash Bros. Shadow moveset concepts that gave him Doom Wings for up B when it's not a disposable ability and instead effectively Super Shadow with a new design:||

[little egret]

Tbh every time I see people criticize fan movesets for having dumb references like that I just think about Zelda's phantom

Like official Smash movesets are full of cringe out of pocket references that people just got used to

Like Mario having FLUDD

[frosty wraith]

@copper flame ||How the Orbot and Cubot mission going||

[main plover]

Very true honestly

[verbal token]

that one has an excuse in that um
it's referencing the only game iwht a good zelda!!!!

[grave barn]

Erm
Cdi

[main plover]

I will say though I don't actually like Phantom and FLUDD too much in Smash anyways

I don't play Zelda so I can't say much there but FLUDD is absolutely horrible to use

[copper flame]

||got 64 machine parts 😭 ||

||its been more difficult to find them. somehow i keep finding more places i havent seen before lol||

[main plover]

||Betting 1 of them has the movie stage||

[copper flame]

maybe

[hasty agate]

||I guess that makes more “logical” sense now||

[frosty wraith]

what the fuck?

[main plover]

!?

||Is this what you get for finishing Orbot and Cubot's rocket?||

[frosty wraith]

Yea.

||No, lol||

https://tenor.com/view/whitebeard-marineford-goat-gif-21001348

[main plover]

||Oh it's fake ok||

[trail hamlet]

||That’s my house. Get the fuck out||

[main plover]

Ok so now that I know what the unlockable music is i'm a little confused
because none of these songs are in there

[heady cloud]

Dlc

[main plover]

Wait a damn minute
The footage I just watched must have not been a Digital Deluxe copy then!

Damn it!

[copper flame]

i might be overthinking the story a bit but i thought of something ||sonic generations was all about looking in the past and celebrating it. shadow generations is about acknowledging your past but moving away from it towards the future. even though gens' basic story is still generic as fuck at least there's some nice parallels here||

||also may or may not be an intentional hint hint nudge nudge from sonic team that they're also done feeding off the past now||

[valid rapids]

Are they really done feeding off the past tho?

I think we'll have to wait and see

[copper flame]

well, i hope so at least lol

[valid rapids]

I feel like sonic X shadow is part of feeding of the past, but done in the best way possible

Oh and the game is great too

[copper flame]

that's right but at the same time game does introduce some new ideas or builds off newly introduced ones in frontiers

[frosty wraith]

ight

i guess its time to close this down for now

[heady cloud]

Bye sonadow gens leak thread. I'll miss you

[verbal token]

Sayonara... Shadow the Thread...

[trail hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-maria-sonic-adventure-2-sonic-explosion-gif-16713256407329771865

[grave barn]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-adventure2-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-and-shadow-sa2-gif-25427769

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/gerald-robotnik-sonic-adventure2-all-of-you-ungrateful-humans-gif-27006412

[main plover]

This truly was a Sonic X Shadow Generations

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920498813150593034/1076896295547044022/caption.gif

[wicked vapor]

Adios, Shadow the Hedgehog.

[tulip ingot]

Sonic Leak Thread

[main plover]

I can't believe they apparently genuinely added fucking ||Hawkhawk||

||This loser is in 3 issues of pre-reboot Archie||

||One of those is a cameo in an Off-Panel||

[main plover]

Just in case you needed MORE evidence for ||Spongebob||, here's that one guy I post here a bunch, back at it again
||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1929821280859308427||

MS (@MSROPls)

https://t.co/tGShiAJZYg

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx • GIF · Jun 3, 2025, 8:43 AM

[tight leaf]

Is sonic the hedgehog

[cinder hemlock]

Hey so I think they actually took it down

The embed isn't embedding
https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1929821280859308427

[lapis tiger]

||also will repost that Patrick, Nights, and Reala are also supposed to be in, along with non-Rovio or Nick/Paramount crossover (based on what he said, sounds like it's Steve, will ask which version); also 'time trials button shows 0/78' (which he assumes is courses-related)|| (all Crossworlds stuff)

[astral spear]

||Steve like...from minecraft?||

[lapis tiger]

||yes||

||but idk if it's game or movie version||

[astral spear]

||Game version seems most likely, but dude imagine 😭||

[vernal oracle]

|| NiGHTS and reala?||

[lapis tiger]

||yes||

[vernal oracle]

||where was reala hinted at?||

[lapis tiger]

||my friend has footage of Crossworlds, he's seen headshots of those two specifically (as I was talking about yesterday)||

||he feels iffy about posting pics rn (I did see pics of Spongebob and Patrick ingame before he deleted them though, I know he has stuff)||

[vernal oracle]

||dont do that, dont give me hope ||

||do you know if they had new designs or just their usual looks||

[lapis tiger]

||think it would be latter but I'll ask (think he's still asleep rn so might be few hours before he answers stuff btw)||

[vernal oracle]

||if they were to have new designs that is another dawning implication||

||how do we know this person is reliable anyways||

[lapis tiger]

||again I did see pics and he has had access to stuff before (though he kept it on the downlow those times)||

||will ask if he'll just post the headshots of Nights and Reala since they're small anyway||

[main plover]

||It was a Spongebob gif||

Anyways, ||MINECRAFT STEVE!?||

||Hope he's top tier again||

[vernal oracle]

||if this is all a ruse I will shake my head very dissapointingly at you||

||just so you know the stakes ||

[earnest quail]

||About the time trial thing,||

||Including Crossworlds we know there are gonna be 39 tracks on launch||

||39x2=78||

||So this means each track has a second time trial of some kind||

[lapis tiger]

||oh that makes sense||

[earnest quail]

||Most likely either on a different speed or in a mirror mode equivalent||

[vernal oracle]

Wait ||how did we get that number of tracks now??||

||doesn't the website say 20 or something||

[main plover]

||Anyways, through INTENSE RESEARCH (someone on Twitter telling me about it) I think I found why Hawkhawk of all characters is in the files of Blitz|| (Blitz)

[main plover]

||Michael Gallagher has allegedly gone on the record multiple times to say all the characters he made for Archie Sonic are owned by SEGA as far as he's concerned
This means Archie glup shittos made by him, and probably Ian, are fair game||

||Other Archie folk are dead. Forever.||

[vernal oracle]

||I'm just noticing. Steve isn't paramount though, wasn't the minecraft movie made by Warner bros||

[lapis tiger]

||yeah I said someone non-Paramount||

[astral spear]

||That makes sense||

[vernal oracle]

Oh I'm illiterate

[main plover]

||Oh except MAYBE Zonic the Zone Cop||

||Dan Slott has also gone on the record to say SEGA is fully allowed to use him if they want to, at least in his opinion||

||idk how much "idk he said he'd be cool with it on Twitter a few years back" holds up in court though||

[vernal oracle]

||i guess the website says over 25 main courses ||

[tight leaf]

||Was Holo Lynx fair game or?||

[astral spear]

||Holo Lynx is the reboot design no?||

[main plover]

||Holo Lynx is technically a term only used for post-reboot iirc, but the design predated that||

[astral spear]

Oh

[main plover]

||idk man, I haven't even actually read Archie, i'm going off vague memories of what i've seen online||

||Nicole as a concept was from SatAM, her holographic design was from pre-reboot Archie and the term Holo-Lynx was from post-reboot Archie||

||That's all I really know||

[earnest quail]

||It said 24 main tracks and 15 Crossworlds||

[vernal oracle]

||how many of those have we seen though||

||of that number||

[earnest quail]

||I think around 15||

[lapis tiger]

||told me 'they look new? definitely don't recognize the renders but I could be wrong' (and 'can't send pics bc it's literally from confidential documents', 'and idk who got them nor do I want it to get shared LOL')||

[lapis tiger]

||okay yeah Steve design is game one||

||also Dragon Road is in, plus a Spongebob track (is Bikini Bottom, lets you crash through Krusty Krab)|| (still Crossworlds)

[vernal oracle]

||well does reala have their mask on||

[lapis tiger]

||'Yeah'||

[vernal oracle]

||doesn't really mean much they could keep the mask fir a new designs but if they didn't that would be a hard confirmation||

||but I'm gunna guess they are just new renders ||

||beat uses his new design in the latest monkey ball game so if NiGHTS were to have one that a pretty strong smoking gun that there's a new NiGHTS game in the works||

|| next year is NiGHTS 30th||

I am super coping out

||but isuka has said he wants to make a new one for a long time now||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1929967227979345979||

MS (@MSROPls)

https://t.co/tcy4MQ7xR3

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

????????????

[grave barn]

||spunchbob||

[weak rose]

||no one gonna play him if he looks like that ☠️ ||

[vernal oracle]

||prolly some animation still or something||

[main plover]

||Ok so those screenshots of the Blitz models with little... things on them?
Yeah apparently they were in-jokes that got out hand.
Whoops||

[stable ravine]

||Any new models yet?||

[lapis tiger]

(Crossworlds) ||oh yeah if anyone wondered about TMNT stuff 'I would assume they'd get racers but atm I only know that there's going to be a course based off of the Mutant Mayhem movie', how much crossover stuff is there ffs||

[vernal oracle]

cool i guess

[lapis tiger]

||Avatar stuff is also in (at least racer + extreme gear)....also Super Sonic seems to be in too (there's flag for him)? ||

[storm panther]

||If there ends up being mutant mayhem tmnt racers, that artstyle clash is going to be hellish||

||But uhh, so the paramount stuff is like 100% real, no jokes?||

[stable ravine]

||"ENOUGH WITH THE SMALL TALK! NOW YOU FACE ME, THE HAWKHAWK!"||

[vernal oracle]

||please tell me the same guy leaking spongebob is leaking nights||

[main plover]

||One of the folks leaking the Sponge did say "everyone say hi to NiGHTS"||

Speaking of which, here's a picture of ||the cleaning equipment himself||
||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1929977724078096577||

MS (@MSROPls)

https://t.co/HSPRqDaJaI

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 7:05 PM

[vernal oracle]

||PLEASE||

[storm panther]

||holy shit, I don’t know if I love it or hate it||

[vernal oracle]

||i will draw art of NiGHTS an spongebob together if this is real||

[astral spear]

||Bobesponja||

[storm panther]

||ALSO somebody check if by chance this is just an editied image from nick kart racer 3 or smth||

[astral spear]

Oh yeah that exists

[vernal oracle]

hard to tell

oh wait

||the holes are different||

[storm panther]

||The eyes are different too||

||oh shit||

[vernal oracle]

||he uses the same model in kart racers 2||

[lapis tiger]

||seems so||

[vernal oracle]

||doesnt line up with nasb either||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1929986304844149230||

MS (@MSROPls)

https://t.co/wx5c6UWCXG

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 7:39 PM

MORE ||SPONGE||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[astral spear]

Check out his cut

[vernal oracle]

||i hope SGF doesnt reveal spongebob and thats where they reveal NiGHTS and sponge is at the kids choice awards||

[main plover]

||That's my prediction too||

Also I just realised.
||Are the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles gonna be the first turtle characters in Sonic (not counting unnamed and/or background characters)?||

[hoary sierra]

||Nah there was an Archie character named Tommy turtle ||

[weak rose]

||The Archie comics both pre and post reboot had turtle characters||

||The post-reboot had Bunker||

[main plover]

||I forgot the hellspawn that is Tommy||

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-its-mid-ugly-nah-gif-19839131

[grave barn]

Video (crossworlds)

[vernal oracle]

||thats the tring goo i think its real||

[trail hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[lapis tiger]

||apparently Cyberspace (Highway) is a Crossworld||

[cinder hemlock]

||NO SHOT THAT'S THE PATTY WAGON||

[vernal oracle]

||putting zazz in the patty wagon||

[grave barn]

||honestly it being the patty wagon makes pretty much real
As the patty wagon, somehow wasn't in the nick racing games||

[hoary sierra]

||Do we have any pictures of Patrick lol||

Evidently he’s here as well

[lapis tiger]

||unfortunately my leaker won't share actual assets out of fear, not sure if this Twitter leaker has the footage with him too||

[hoary sierra]

Understandable

[grave barn]

||I wonder about the character interactions
Mostly SpongeBob and big||

[lapis tiger]

....just as I open my mouth

[trail hamlet]

||Crazy lol||

||Spongebob in the same room as Zavok lol||

[lapis tiger]

||https://vxtwitter.com/f2insider/status/1929995888774262947 || also

Insider (@F2Insider)

Aye-aye, captain! #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx • Media 1/2 · Jun 3, 2025, 8:17 PM

how many people have this stuff now wtf

[fair niche]

what's up with the icon being a placeholder

is this a launch thing or DLC

[grave barn]

Dlc

Assumedly

[lapis tiger]

no one knows

[grave barn]

Given how sega has stated the amount in base roster, and we know that many
90% chance for dlc

[main plover]

||I hope him being mute is a placeholder||

[grave barn]

Final bet
Release date announcement at Summers gamefest
||Season pass announcement for Nick stuff during choice awards, 3 waves (SpongeBob, tmnt, and avatar as that was mentioned earlier)||

||then I guess a season break (few months) inbetween dlc passes||

[main plover]

||Wait when was Avatar brought up||

[grave barn]

||Here||

[main plover]

||Ohhhh i'm stupid my brain thought that was like... Forces Avatar||

[arctic hollow]

smh

||I honestly rlly like spongebob in crossworlds it’s honestly so silly||

[main plover]

||Also I can't wait to make utter abominations of cars by combining the Patty Wagon with other vehicles||

||Or making the textures on it shiny||

[astral spear]

Footage jumpscare

[grave barn]

||maybe 2 characters per series(?)
Idk what to do about the tmnt||

[trail hamlet]

||Spongebob using Xtreme Gear feels so fitting actually||

[main plover]

||I know Spongebob canonically can't drive them but I do feel they should have included a boat as a car||

||Would mesh better with the entire "combining kart halves" idea||

||Unless there is one as Patrick's car in which case I spoke too soon||

[grave barn]

||We still could get one, we have no idea how many karts will be included for dlc||

[verbal token]

he looks modded in, hate it

[arctic hollow]

||patrick is the strongest asset to the eggman empire, if he was in the death battle bowser wouldve been hosed||

[trail hamlet]

||Eggman would get Patrick to swap sides and by sheer incompetence manage to defeat the Koopa Troop, allowing Eggman to win without doing anything||

[grave barn]

||so they're 100% gonna make the SpongeBob sad face one of those emotes/stickers whatever you can use during the race
Nothing confirmed, I just have a really good feeling about them doing that||

[trail hamlet]

||They should have the donkey show up on the screen if you use it||

[sacred axle]

||Finally..... Spunchbob....||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930000778418368520||

Insider (@F2Insider)

I can’t hear you! #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:36 PM

Blatantly unfinished at the moment

[vernal oracle]

hope i didnt miss anything while i took a shower

[main plover]

||Also confirmation this is DLC||

[lapis tiger]

||ah so it is DLC I see, and yeah it is dev footage||

[storm panther]

||I don’t know how to feel about this, about any of this||

[lapis tiger]

||it's not for promotion, there's also music and documents in stuff leaking out apparently||

[vernal oracle]

||someone can ping me when they start leaking NiGHTS assets||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930001077463588891||
INFINITE ||SPONGE|| LEAKS

Insider (@F2Insider)

AYE-AYE, CAPTAIN! #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:38 PM

[vernal oracle]

you have my permission

[grave barn]

||ah, better look at spanglebop getting slimed||

[main plover]

||Seems like a slightly later build than the earlier footage, as Spongebob has a map icon here||

[sacred axle]

Now that we have ||Sponge|| where's ||Mr. Flint and Steel himself||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930002097531174992||

Insider (@F2Insider)

OOOOOOOOOOH #SonicRacingCrossWorlds #NintendoSwitch

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:42 PM

It keeps going

[cinder hemlock]

||Hey the image isn't placeholder anymore...||

[grave barn]

||with how far spunchbob is in development I wonder if it'll be a shadow drop during the kids choice awards||

[vernal oracle]

||this looks like early beta not just with bikini bottom the car also looks untextured||

[arctic hollow]

||What will Squidward be thinking seeing Zavok Sage Shadow and Omega all breaking into the krusty krab||

[vernal oracle]

||also im p sure thats his saart car||

[lapis tiger]

#1035922514108489841 message ||so yeah if anyone needed proof that person I'm getting stuff from is telling the truth||

[uneven halo]

ultrby7457#0 - #Sonic Leak Thread

||also Dragon Road is in, plus a Spongebob track (is Bikini Bottom, lets you crash through Krusty Krab)|| (still Crossworlds)

Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Jun 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

[vernal oracle]

||just need a crumb of NiGHTS||

[grave barn]

||I don't even think nights have a model yet
Assuming all the paramount stuff is first season pass they likely just have its name down written somewhere||

[vernal oracle]

||apparently they have a portrait||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930003589961003237||
!?

Insider (@F2Insider)

JOB’S NOT FINISHED. #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:48 PM

[vernal oracle]

||youd also think NiGHTS might be season 1 considering its SEGA||

[grave barn]

||nevermind the kids choice awards is June 21st they are not shadow dropping it||

[main plover]

||Is Spongebob's alarm clock an item????||

[grave barn]

||but there was a lot of crossworlds ads when I was voting for it so they will make some sort of appearance there||

[vernal oracle]

||doesnt nessesarily need to show gameplay||

||We also dont know how old these builds are||

[lapis tiger]

||...and concept art||

[vernal oracle]

||why is this happening||

[lapis tiger]

||disgruntled employee??? idk||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930004602998665405||

Insider (@F2Insider)

Did somebody say TMNT? No? I must’ve been hearing things. Oh well! #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:52 PM

[astral spear]

||Catastrophic leak blowout||

[lapis tiger]

||doubt it was a hack else they would've gotten more things than just for this game right||

[main plover]

||This car having 4 colours implies all 4 turtles are in||

[vernal oracle]

||well car customization is a thing||

[main plover]

||Well true, but idk why they'd put it in the concept art||

[valid rapids]

||welcome back team fortress||

[main plover]

||Unless they hadn't chosen yet||

[lapis tiger]

||also it's funny that right as I mention the concept art stuff concept art got posted lmao||

[vernal oracle]

||please NiGHTS crumn please||

[lapis tiger]

||total of stuff that got leaked was 10GB, if I didn't already mention||

[main plover]

||I don't watch TMNT is this car from there or no||

[sacred axle]

||Maybe it's from Sega themselves are hearing people talk shit about Crossworlds the past week lmao||

[vernal oracle]

is is

[grave barn]

||yes||

[vernal oracle]

is

it

[main plover]

||Ok cool||

[sacred axle]

Waiting for ||Chicken Jockey Man||

[main plover]

||I wonder how far into development Steve is||

||And also how the hell he will look on Extreme Gear||

[grave barn]

||did I fuckin miss something when the hell was Steve confirmed||

[main plover]

||iirc Ultrby's aquaintance apparently mentioned him||

[astral spear]

WHAT

[sacred axle]

Also ||if we got two Paramount reps.... how bout a third one with Optimus Prime lmao||

[lapis tiger]

||yeah, he saw screenshot in particular of them||

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[earnest quail]

||NOOOOOO ITS THE FUCKING 80S TURTLE 😭||

||Still rings true...||

||Not even 2012 is above the water anymore||

[sacred axle]

||https://vxtwitter.com/Perollinn/status/1930004186672050454?t=NJYIQ99SDnsjl_AQ-cLtkw&s=19 ||

Perolinn (@Perollinn)

Me playing as Spongebob in Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds

QRT: MSROPls
https://t.co/vmWvvSQzLw

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:50 PM

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930006383044505726||

Insider (@F2Insider)

I GOT ONE MORE IN ME. #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:59 PM

[vernal oracle]

||oh fuck||

[lapis tiger]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930006391286374551 ||

Insider (@F2Insider)

↪️ Replying to @F2Insider

TRVTHNVKE COMPLETE #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 8:59 PM

[grave barn]

||the screenshots are from the nick games for the sheets||

[vernal oracle]

||is that gunna be aangs design in the new movie?||

[stable ravine]

||Is that like teen Aang?||

[vernal oracle]

||if this is his design from the new movie its a double leak||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1930006648745275652||

MS (@MSROPls)

https://t.co/buAlObQv63

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 9:00 PM

[sacred axle]

||How bout a fourth one with Optimus Prime||

[vernal oracle]

||welp theres dragon driftway||

[trail hamlet]

||PLEASE||

[main plover]

||Anyways since the "TRUTH NUKE" is now apparently complete, that means I can go to sleep.||

[lapis tiger]

||'at this point it's free real estate so'||

(still Crossworlds, if it wasn't obvious)

[sacred axle]

||Any of Steve||

[earnest quail]

Please tell me these are playable and not icons

Please

PLEASE

PLEASE

[main plover]

||Oh god it's that ugly thing I forgot the name of||

[trail hamlet]

||This is so overwhelming lol||
||In a good way I mean||

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-sully-james-p-sullivan-shocked-surprised-gif-4696663

[vernal oracle]

||those are from sonic runners||

||i dont know what this means those dont look like player icons||

[lapis tiger]

||could be placeholders?||

[valid rapids]

||i love nights and reala. who is that third guy. what is that. who approved of its existence||

[vernal oracle]

||alright my hope is now dashed||

NO PUN INTENDED

[stable ravine]

That was cool

[vernal oracle]

||how do you not know what a nightopian is but know NiGHTS and reala||

[valid rapids]

im a fake fan

[wooden marlin]

||Ristar fans do you think he has a chance||

[vernal oracle]

||yea im not very hopeful they are playable now and they might be some course gimmick, could be placeholder but i dont think it matches anything else in gameplay rn||

[hoary sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[lapis tiger]

||'All it includes is 2 screenshots as a reference to use for the Spongebob collab and says "Example from NiGHTS collab"'||

||'and one of the screenshots is on a new course'||

[vernal oracle]

||do they actually know if they are playable or not or is this like them playing guessies||

[lapis tiger]

||I mean, either way it is something big if it's a whole collab||

[sacred axle]

||Did you know about Aang||

[lapis tiger]

||yeah I posted about Avatar stuff||

#1035922514108489841 message

[uneven halo]

ultrby7457#0 - #Sonic Leak Thread

||Avatar stuff is also in (at least racer + extreme gear)....also Super Sonic seems to be in too (there's flag for him)? ||

Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Jun 3, 2025, 6:57 PM

[sacred axle]

||Any chances that there were any mention of Transformers stuff lmao||

[lapis tiger]

||he hasn't mentioned any but it's a big leak so||

[main plover]

||Oh god I just realised Steve's car is gonna be made out of blocks isn't it||
||Mixing all these vehicles together will genuinely create the worst things visually possible||

||Patty Wagon + Minecraft Car + green and grey colouration + matte polish||

[sacred axle]

||Minecart||

[main plover]

||Too small I think||

[hoary sierra]

||If I hear motherfucking Jack black say “chicken jockey” in my sonic racing game I’m throwing out the whole console||

[lapis tiger]

||yep||

[main plover]

||Don't worry apparently it's Game Steve||

[main plover]

||So he's probably mute||

[lapis tiger]

also in other news

[main plover]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[stable ravine]

||If only it came with a side...||

[main plover]

||OH MY GOODNESS||

||HE'S FINALLY

ALMOST

GOT THOSE FRIES||

[lapis tiger]

more things

[main plover]

Guys....

[lapis tiger]

||https://vxtwitter.com/F2Insider/status/1930009511747825995 || okay apparently full thing was posted while I wasn't looking

Insider (@F2Insider)

You have nothing to worry about. #SonicRacingCrossWorlds

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 9:11 PM

[stable ravine]

||Oh||

||Uh...||

[vernal oracle]

||ITS A FUCKING SPLATFEST||

[hoary sierra]

||If SpongeBob is in the game by the end of its lifespan and surge isn’t she’ll officially be the most washed character in history ||

[main plover]

||What's this nonsense??||

[vernal oracle]

||FUCKKKKKK||

[hoary sierra]

||No playable characters then???||

[vernal oracle]

man thats so disappointing

[lapis tiger]

||is that what it was this whole time?????||

[vernal oracle]

||now im bitter about the spongebob crossover||

[vernal oracle]

||thats what im getting at||

[main plover]

||So now it's Nickelodeon and Whisper from IDW I guess||

[sacred axle]

||Paramount funded this game lmao||