Sonic Leak Thread

[copper flame]

||i do love the fact that they salvaged sticks from sonic boom purgatory||

[trail hamlet]

||Same||

||She was an entertaining character||

[red shell]

||sonic boom is obsolete now||

[astral spear]

God I want to strangle every person who replies to people wanting to go blind saying 🤓 "Well according to leaks-" or 🤓 "Play the game and find out, it's a suprise"

This applies to both pokemon and sonic communities rn

[pulsar cedar]

now I think about it (final boss spoilers DO NOT CLICK UNTIL READY) ||why is The End's body a moon anyways beyond its Nibiru theme||

||Is it meant to be one of the moons of the Ancient's original planet||

[trail hamlet]

Seriously yeah that’s just giving away the answer lmao
Just post a funny reaction pic or some shit and call it a day

[copper flame]

yeah these people are not fun

ruining the surprise

[red shell]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-mc-gill-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-gif-26485825

Sending this in the replies

[trail hamlet]

My reaction to the information you are reacting too

[red shell]

(Paragraph comes from a negative frontiers review)

[timber kayak]

do we know what this symbol means

[red shell]

||its sage i think||

[lapis tiger]

||probably Sage||

[pallid bolt]

||“Why are there two moons?”
“You’ll find out at The End”||

[red shell]

Would it be funny to reply that to the person

||i like how the image description actually points out the fact that there are two moons||

||even if i didnt knew already i'd still think that bit was actually important||

[pallid bolt]

||All the soundtrack uploads ive found so far suddenly shift into way worse quality halfway through the tracks and thats lame given ive become obsessed with Knight||

[astral spear]

Same, ||I still like Giganto's theme more but Knight is also amazing||

[chilly gorge]

||like the music itself or the upload quality||

[pallid bolt]

||upload quality :(||

[chilly gorge]

oh that's a relief

[copper flame]

nah all of the soundtrack is consistent bangers

[red shell]

I'm waiting for all the cyberspace themes to be posted

What was it

||huh?||

[astral spear]

I'm telling you, leave social media or use incognito to hide algorithm results

Because its gonna be impossible to dodge spoilers if you're not playing this game for another month

||Also that's not a wedding dress, that's just her normal dress changing color.|| (some non spoiler context for this)

Okay great, it'll make it less painful

[trail hamlet]

Marx Soul

[red shell]

I wish i could play frontiers but mediocre pc moment

[red shell]

Funny villain

[trail hamlet]

You actually did it lmao

[nocturne quarry]

|| https://youtu.be/GYdXmBucans this one is so freaking good ||

[astral spear]

You're goddamn right

[pulsar cedar]

Does Cyberspace have boss fights

[copper flame]

now a question

did anyone rip the soundtrack yet to download or something

[copper flame]

also, no

[red shell]

From what i saw not fully

[copper flame]

damn

[pulsar cedar]

Shame in general it seems the game lacks bosses

I get the point they they wanted to make combat optional beyond some sequences but still weird

[copper flame]

i don't think it lacks bosses at all

it's just except titans they are optional

[pulsar cedar]

Oh minibosses, I stand corrected

Just a shame we don’t get classic style bosses through cyberspace

[copper flame]

exc

excuse me]

https://twitter.com/IDWSonicNews/status/1589943314739957761?s=20&t=R8jB-ZWBInC57JaFKM7kPQ

IDWSonicNews · IDW Sonic Covers & Previews (@IDWSonicNews)

It’s the #SonicFrontiers release day! Enjoying the game so far? We sure are. Now we can finally talk about THIS!

#IDWSonic

https://t.co/OyNhuEWeE6

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Twitter · Nov 8, 2022, 11:30 AM

EXCUSE ME

[red shell]

HUH

||i sure do love how frontiers is making previously non canon characters become canon||

||opens up a lot of possibilities for future games||

||imagine mimic in a new game||

[copper flame]

that would be raw

[red shell]

||i'd say starline but uh. You know||

[astral spear]

KANTDKHOichqbtbOaiwhtbdbq2Oiu!???!?????!?+?

THWTE IS NO FUCKING WAY

https://tenor.com/view/grunt-madness-combat-death-die-roll-gif-21322996

[copper flame]

ok but the most important thing is

if tangle is canon

then whisper is canon

which means

lesbians canon

[red shell]

Greatest bit of dialogue i ever knew

[trail hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-w-gif-22866098

||THE IDW CHARACTERS ARE REAAAAAAAL||

[copper flame]

sonic frontiers more like sonic W-tiers

[astral spear]

Can we get much higher

[red shell]

Yes

||Fleetway characters become real||

[trail hamlet]

||NO WAY SECRET MARXIO BROS FIGHT IN FRONTEIRS||

[red shell]

YOOO

[trail hamlet]

||https://youtu.be/QQJv3CddjJE||

||Sonic talks about his friends asmr||

||Oh wait what the fuck he mentions Zavok too goddamnit||

||We literally can’t catch a break from this dude lol||

[tulip ingot]

game is technically out so this is better off in #1028783224937250878

[trail hamlet]

Oh that’s right lol

[red shell]

So watching the final boss footage again

||really does seem like the end might come back sometime||

||"I am imminent, I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might, it changes nothing. You are not brave, you are not victorious, no matter what form I take."||

[pallid bolt]

||The Zavok comment is so funny lmao||

[red shell]

||"wonder how he's doing. Terrible i hope"||

[pallid bolt]

||”HEHEHEHEH”||

[trail hamlet]

||Grade A dialogue honestly||

[tulip ingot]

Just as a heads up, the game is officially out now. So please take all spoiler talk for the game in #1028783224937250878.

[gusty cove]

sonic frontiers

[spiral grove]

fr

[acoustic gale]

||can't believe sonic's d is in ruins||

[forest wharf]

VANDALIZE MY HEAAAAAAART

Oh this thread is dead. Goodbye

[narrow tangle]

MY BED IS IN RUIN

[trail hamlet]

And so is this thread

[forest wharf]

MY THREAD IS IN RUIN

[acoustic gale]

sonic frontiers dlc leak (real)

[pulsar cedar]

is it okay to do the middle finger emoji here

jokingly I mean

[forest wharf]

Reopen message

[long lion]

Reopen jumpscare

[astral spear]

Alright

[uneven talon]

It still said it was locked for me so I pressed unlock just in case lol

[astral spear]

||https://twitter.com/bluwolfblitz/status/1672405279286198279?t=fGIBI3DwbgbUEW-Gujjzmw&s=19 || Update 3 datamine Twitter thread

Bluwolf (@bluwolfblitz)

Oh my god...

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:44 AM

[forest wharf]

I'm gonna leave now because I don't want to know lol

[long slate]

https://twitter.com/bluwolfblitz/status/1672408977148194816?s=20

Bluwolf (@bluwolfblitz)

Tails Running Animation.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:59 AM

tails running

[astral spear]

Apparently there's also story stuff but I haven't found any of this atm

[long slate]

there is story spoilers but alot of datamines arent sharing it

people that have seen it said is kinda minblowing

[astral spear]

That's a good sign at least

[long slate]

not sure if is just a sidestory or is gonna be like a post-game kind of story or a little of both (like how the director implied he would change the final bosses in the future)

[trail hamlet]

Oh my god it leaked again????

Alright time to spoil myself

[worthy haven]

||amy doesn't throw the tarot cards she just fucking slaps enemies with it fucking amazing||

[pulsar cedar]

I wonder is Sage gonna be playable in the final update

she is shown at the same side of the screen as Tails, Amy and Knuckles

when they announced the DLC timeline

[long slate]

||they might saw kirby do it with the mage sister.and said: we can do that too||

[fierce hound]

Ah clicked on wrong thread earlier looks like people already heard about it

|| https://twitter.com/bluwolfblitz/status/1672404535757643778?s=20 ||

Bluwolf (@bluwolfblitz)

Currently digging through Update 2 files of Frontiers. The skill tree texture has been updated. Includes ID numbers and colors for Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:41 AM

Looks like they'll have full skill trees

[worthy haven]

nice

i do wonder how they'll handle the characters though
||like could we switch between all 3 at any time, do we need to go back to a point on the map to do so(god please no), or are we stuck as one character on each island (probably the lamest option)||

[copper flame]

All of this sounds fucking insane?

They legitimately can make Frontiers reputation improve purely with those updates

[earnest quail]

Y'know, I was originally expecting Update 3 to be a tiny 1 hour mini-campaign with the characters basically being skins of Sonic with one or two extra moves

...at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it had an entire island's worth of content

Also apparently the script for Update 3 leaked but no datamines who've found it are currently willing to post it

https://twitter.com/bluwolfblitz/status/1672458101344092160?t=RVCxErlF79e7zg8VKGpt7w&s=19

Bluwolf (@bluwolfblitz)

So I can confirm that some of the Story Script for Update 3 is within the files at the moment.
I do not plan to release or share this content at all.
If u find it please do not share it publicly. Animations are one thing...but a whole story script shouldn't be shared.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 4:14 AM

[copper flame]

i just want to hear more impressions from leakers

that one comment that apparently story is "insane" got me hyped

[long slate]

the story leak if you wish to see || https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicFrontiers/comments/14hnv3z/leaked_script_for_update_3/ ||

[pulsar cedar]

I wonder why they gave Amy ||Tarot cards|| as a ||secondary weapon||

I don't recall her having a thing for ||fortune telling ||

[copper flame]

||It is a thing she had when she was initially introduced in Sonic CD, this is how she found out about Sonic
This character trait was forgotten for years before being brought back as of recent||

[pulsar cedar]

neat

[astral spear]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicFrontiers/comments/14j74e2/footage_of_playable_amy_from_update_3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button || Someone modded in Amy

||I'm sorry that Tarot Card unicycle is goofy as fuck||

[chilly gorge]

||holy shit big wheel||

[pulsar cedar]

I wonder how ||Amy has telekinesis||

[worthy haven]

||she took the meaning of "wheel of fortune" a little too literally||

||it is funny to me how to compensate for probably being not as fast compared to the others she just, draws from the power of tarot cards for boost||

[fiery snow]

Sonic x Shadow Generations Thread Please Ignore That First Message

[astral spear]

We're so back

[frosty wraith]

iiight

[long slate]

sonic dies

[frosty wraith]

welcome to the sonic x shadow generations thread

[astral spear]

Sonic and Shadow make out passionately

[frosty wraith]

formerly the sonic frontiers thread

[long slate]

sonic and shadow becomes a SUPER COUPLE

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/sonadow-sonic-the-hedgehog-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadonic-gif-1133883817903809294

[grave barn]

How the fuck are they already datamining it

[valid rapids]

erm, fanfics go to whispys writers club

[astral spear]

Where the fuck is that Supporting Me remix, dump the fucking ost

/hj

[long slate]

i only want to know if there is a last story ||because they already spoil most of the game aside like 2 bosses i believe lol||

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/sonadow-sonic-prime-shadow-the-hedgehog-gif-15064022919781784733

[lapis tiger]

someone could have gotten copy and dumped it
isn't quite 2 weeks before release but pretty close

[frosty wraith]

ight enough

lemme search

ight so

||big the cat is indeed in the game||

[grave barn]

Might want to spoiler that
Despite this being a spoiler thread it's always better safe than sorry

[frosty wraith]

||this is from the account i got the images from||

[valid rapids]

game saved

[grave barn]

Could you ask how they are getting the file names?

Like what source is it from

[valid rapids]

no way pac man real

[astral spear]

The pac is backkk

[frosty wraith]

@Lulam0onz

[trail hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pac-man-and-the-ghostly-adventures-pac-man-dance-pac-man-dance-pac-man-and-the-ghostly-adventures-gif-8372882690289933822

[astral spear]

Great now I don't want to sleep

[frosty wraith]

jesus

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/fearless-year-of-shadow-year-of-shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-movie-3-sonic-movie-3-shadow-gif-2199999771942619526

https://tenor.com/view/it-penny-wise-dancing-clown-serious-gif-9756380

same vibe

[frosty wraith]

OHHHH SHIIIT!!!

MAN???

[valid rapids]

||man.pac no fucking way||

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-dance-undertale-gager-gif-16971663189126594312

[valid rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/pac-man-pac-man-ghost-ms-pac-man-ghostly-adventures-pacmansweep-gif-25871574

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/imman-yeahimman-man-batman-man-batman-gif-16222489708079543262

[astral spear]

Ohhh that boss list is coming up soon I can feel it

[frosty wraith]

also

||dataminer said they don't know if sonic is a boss or not||

[astral spear]

Interesting

[trail hamlet]

||Gonna be real I have a feeling it's just gonna be a cutscene.||
||Which I'm still hoping isn't the case but I'm just trying to keep my expectations low||

[frosty wraith]

||His character file is there but they don't know if it's been used for a boss fight||

[grave barn]

||anything on the rest of the boss fights, that could be a hint on if it is a boss||

[frosty wraith]

ight on it

[storm panther]

This is giving big chuckster vibes

[frosty wraith]

ight so they checking at the moment

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26051005

[storm panther]

So theres no confirmation on ||Sonic as a boss? Maybe because its not sonic ||

[frosty wraith]

ight so

hear me out

[astral spear]

||Is that just Mephiles or his big monster form from his 2nd fight||

[frosty wraith]

||might be his big monster form||

||why he diving?||

[trail hamlet]

||Oh sweet the monster form is back||

[astral spear]

||Because he dives into the darkness I guess||

[storm panther]

Where am I going with this

Idk

[frosty wraith]

||still no sonic boss fight stuff||

[storm panther]

||I read “lemon driver” at first and was very confused||

||mephiles is the first sonic character to drive a car ||

[long slate]

||no sonic fight would be dissapointing but not surprising. Sega might be still picky with sonic´s characterization (with all the rules IDW have to circumvent just to make a "sonic comic") and having a modern game where you beat up sonic might be out the question ||

[frosty wraith]

heeey

guess what i found?

||https://pastebin.com/ZWAuG4V4||

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-and-max-sam-%26-max-poker-night-at-the-inventory-2-poker-looking-respectfully-gif-1084041666963819011

[frosty wraith]

||this shit contains all the datamine info they found in the xbox shit||

[vernal oracle]

are these leaks big boy or just kinda small

before i potentially spoil myself

[astral spear]

||Devil Doom and Perfect Black Doom|| (BIG BOSS SPOILERS)

[frosty wraith]

||perfect black doom might be the doom thing in the hub world||

[astral spear]

||Looks like it's just. Biolizard Metal Overlord Mephiles and whatever the Dooms are||

[frosty wraith]

||it appears that there are a total of 14 zones in the game||

[astral spear]

It's raw filenames for now so we have some meat in here

[frosty wraith]

||ok, i think MILLER is the codename for the shadow part||

||miller||

[astral spear]

Looks like it

[frosty wraith]

||fast travel feature||

[long slate]

||so the time eater is the final boss too here?||

||and sonic?||

[trail hamlet]

||Evil Sonic!!!!||

[astral spear]

||Sonic is lumped in with them and I can't seem to find the filenames for the base game bosses.||

[frosty wraith]

||it doesn't appear so||

||time eater is placed as a character file instead of a boss file||

[astral spear]

Ah

Ok

[trail hamlet]

||He probably just shows up in cutscenes I'm guessing||

[astral spear]

||I found some zone names let me see if there's anything new||

[long slate]

||misc is a boss ||

[frosty wraith]

||black comet seems to be one of zones for the game||

[long slate]

||so no frontiers or forces boss||

[frosty wraith]

||nope||

man.

[astral spear]

||Mephiles sweep||

||Yeah so it's Radical Highway. Idk if that needs more clarification.||

[long slate]

||neither sonic as a boss...with is both expected and dissapointed||

[trail hamlet]

||REAL||

[long slate]

||anything about a last story?||

[astral spear]

||Where, I don't see it||

||I see like... dcomet||

[trail hamlet]

||Aw, oh well||

[frosty wraith]

||dark comet||

[astral spear]

||dcomet is an enemy though||

[frosty wraith]

||Boss order||

||Biolizard||
||Metal Overlord||
||Mephiles||
||Black Doom||

[valid rapids]

||it's over infinite bros...||

[trail hamlet]

||Man||

[frosty wraith]

oops

[trail hamlet]

||REALLLL||

[frosty wraith]

you saw nothing.

[trail hamlet]

oh

[frosty wraith]

WE CAN ||KILL HUMANS!!!||

ok there we go

[trail hamlet]

||REALLLL (again)||

[valid rapids]

||do we have stages||

[grave barn]

||you know with stuff from frontiers and forces showing up
Despite this taking place at the same time of generations apparently
I do wonder if they'll explain that||

[astral spear]

||Not any that we don't know of||

[astral spear]

||i.e. I don't see sunset heights in the paste. Nor do I see the ARK||

||Wait. City?||

[frosty wraith]

||remember how zones were called in forces?||

[astral spear]

||Ohhhhhhh. So that's Sunset heights||

[valid rapids]

||man that's a lame ass name ngl||

[astral spear]

||Yeah it doesn't look like black comet isn't there.||

[long slate]

||maybe we could see infinite as a miniboss...like hit it once at the end of the level and he cries "IM NOT WEAK"||

[astral spear]

||And I found the ARK file.||

||It's 6 zones. And they've all been revealed||

[frosty wraith]

once again ||14 playable levels||

[astral spear]

Boom

[valid rapids]

||and we know Rouge, Omega and Big show up
I wonder who else could be found in the 3 remaining zones||

||silver maybe, since mephiles is there?||

[frosty wraith]

And if anyone still wondering

[astral spear]

||The shadow gens game with no shadow 05 stage rep!!!!||

[frosty wraith]

||yeah, he there.||

[astral spear]

||Why are Cubot and Orbot there||

[trail hamlet]

||ORBOT AND CUBOT????||

[long slate]

||CUBOT AND ORBOT?! LOL ||

[grave barn]

||WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING HERE||

[frosty wraith]

Why you guys shock- oh I remember

[long slate]

||That is more wild that BIG||

[frosty wraith]

||OK, WHY THEY THERE? THEY GOT ABANDONED BRUH||

[valid rapids]

||have those guy ever interacted with shadow before at any point whatsoever||

[trail hamlet]

||We could've had Gemerl what the fuck are those two losers doing here ||

[trail hamlet]

||Nope!||

||Not even in Sonic Boom||

[frosty wraith]

||Sonic Colors DS||

[trail hamlet]

Oh wait

[valid rapids]

||yipee first interaction....||

||oh fuck that's the colors ds rep no way||

[trail hamlet]

||You're right oh my god||

[grave barn]

||so now I'm even more confused about the JP site
Why haven't they updated it yet if the only characters left and mfs that probably aren't important enough to be next to shadow||

[long slate]

MAYBE ||is for DLC||

[valid rapids]

||gun commander fans crying and sobbing right now I can't believe he is not in Sonic X Shadow Generations||

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-when-the-resident-isnt-evil-gif-13323770160780764294

[astral spear]

||I wonder when gameplay will start being leaked||

[trail hamlet]

Visitor Good

[frosty wraith]

ok, now I'm wondering what is ||this resident thing||

[grave barn]

||yeah nemesis from resident evil will make a cameo
Shadow is actually infected with one of the many viruses from re and that's how he has the doom powers||

(joke)

[storm panther]

||The reason black doom is so strong is because one of the black arms was infected by the T-virus ||

(Joke)

[trail hamlet]

||Why so serious?||

(Joker)

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/джокер-joker-jonkler-gif-2048036744282099155

okay that all the stuff that I found

[long slate]

so any hint of ||a last story?||

[sacred axle]

That's it? No ||Emerl???||

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[trail hamlet]

||Who needs Emerl when you got Orbot and Cubot!!!!||

[frosty wraith]

Nuh uh

[astral spear]

||At least we got to see him kick ass in dark beginnings sigh||

[sacred axle]

||I'm going to kill Orbot and Cubot!||

[long slate]

||so the campain is like 3/4 as long as OG generations at least on level count||

||and 4 bosses....or 5 if perfect doom as as a separate boss||

[copper flame]

||Ngl im not entirely convinced by this leak. Just files, no screenshots or anything? Very strange imo||

[main plover]

Oh damn the ||Egg Tank enemy from Forces is back||
||That's shocking because originally they were only in Mortar Canyon and Enemy Territory||

[wooden marlin]

||No Metal 3.0 from Rivals 2||

FUUUCKKK!!!! I HATE IT!!!

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[main plover]

||YES CUBOT YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH WOOOOOOOOOOO CUBOOOOOTTT!!!!||

||Not even a joke I fucking love those guys||

[upbeat reef]

Can I ask ||who the fuck is miller||

||my first thought was kazuhira miller||

[copper flame]

||josh miller is a co-writer for sonic movies||

[upbeat reef]

||ah||

||Why's his name in the files then||

[copper flame]

||maybe the file name is related to the dlc level||

[lapis tiger]

||is that not just the project name in general, remember seeing it before||

[copper flame]

ahhhh that would also make sense

[copper flame]

but yeah im still somewhat skeptical personally

||its not because the leak looks "bad", it just doesnt look like anything, if anything lol||

[main plover]

||Honestly i'm on the opposite side here, I can't see a world where this is fake||
||Between Metal OverLOAD, the simple inclusion of Orbot and Cubot, and the inclusion of the Egg Tank enemy from Forces (Which appeared in 2 levels, one of which was in the DLC) I simply can't see this being fake||

[main plover]

So about this image:
||1. More variants of Artificial Chaos are confirmed due to "chaosfly" and "chaosflycell" probably referring to the Float Type and Artificial Chaos P-100 respectively
2. I don't know what "eggflappertnd" is meant to be, "eggflapper" is obviously the base version, "eggflappercan" is probably a Cannon Flapper, and "eggflapperndl" is probably the (already confirmed) Needle Flapper, but idk what "eggflappertnd" could be in the slightest
3. "eggpawn" and "eggpawnfc" probably stand for "Egg Pawn" and "Egg Pawn Forces" respectively, which makes sense. So why are the Egg Tank and Buzz Bomber enemies called "eggtankfc" and "Beetonfc" instead of just "eggtank" and "beeton"? For Egg Tank it's extra weird because the only other Egg Tank is in Sonic Boom
4. "man" and "mancommon" are probably 2 variants of Soldier from Frontiers, as the early name for that enemy was "man"||

Oh and as extra context for point 3 ||the Japanese name for Buzz Bomber is Beeton||

Oh and for even more context for point 3 ||The Sonic Boom Egg Tank isn't in an actual Sonic Boom game, it's a TV Show thing||

OH WAIT ONE MORE ENEMY I JUST FOUND IN THE IMAGE I CAN IDENTIFY
||"motorafc"
Motora is the Japanese name for Motobug, so it's a Forces Motobug||

||This means Sunset Heights in SXSG quite literally doubles the enemy amount of the original level||

||Yeah I really like generic enemies.||

||Oh and despite being confirmed I can't find Cyclone from Frontiers here which does add a small layer of possibly being fake||

[astral spear]

||What is raw/boss/misc.pac||

[main plover]

||idk, might just be a generic test boss?||

I'm gonna make a quick image of every enemy we know now because i'm bored

[main plover]

Oh i'm putting in so much effort for something nobody will care about but I find it fun so

[heady cloud]

I will
I need to know every version of motobug that will be in shadow

[earnest quail]

So, to summarize, the big thing from the leaks

Is that ||there are only 6 zones and 4 bosses?||

...THAT SUCKS

||We finally get an unconditionally good Sonic game and it's only gonna last an hour and a half||

[copper flame]

||i mean, assuming this leak is even true, there's also open zone, collectibles and missions||

||which, by the way, do know exist but none of the alleged datamining showcased them||

[earnest quail]

||Wait, so the datamines have no mention of the open zone or missions?||

[red shell]

||so like regular gens? ||

[earnest quail]

||None whatsoever?||

[copper flame]

Idk about the former but yeah about the latter

At least from what was shared here

[earnest quail]

||Sonic Gens had 9 zones, and I already thought that was WAY too little||

[astral spear]

||Maybe it could be incomplete||

||Idk||

[copper flame]

I gen think this might be fake

[astral spear]

||(The datamine)||

[red shell]

||look at the bright side!! Now gens will be double the playtime!!!!||

[astral spear]

You can't fake hundreds of lines of random files

[copper flame]

It's Sonic fanbase

Of course you can

[earnest quail]

||Yes, these acts may be longer, but this would still only 60 minutes of boost gameplay AT MOST||

[copper flame]

Not to mention a lot of them aren't really random

Otherwise this discussion wouldn't be really had

[red shell]

||what zones were leaked?||

[copper flame]

We don't even know what version this is

[earnest quail]

||None||

[astral spear]

||No new zones||

[earnest quail]

||It's all zones that have been announced||

[copper flame]

It can't be pc but i recall one of the screenshots having exe files

[red shell]

||followup question were any bosses leaked||

[earnest quail]

||No||

[copper flame]

||just perfect black doom||

Whatever that means

[earnest quail]

||Not even a Sonic boss is in the lines, there seems to only be 4 bosses||

[astral spear]

||Devil Doom and Perfect Black Doom(?)||

[copper flame]

Oh yeah that's another sus part

[red shell]

||yeah sounds a bit sussy ngl||

[earnest quail]

||Okay but like, what if that Sonic and Shadow encounter was just a cutscene?||

[red shell]

||i feel like there might be at least one or two more stages that werent leaked but i could be wrong||

[copper flame]

Why tho

[earnest quail]

||What if there really isn't a boss against Sonic?||

[copper flame]

And how do you even make it work

[earnest quail]

||SA2 Flashback||

[main plover]

Finally finished
I gave up when I got to the Frontiers section if that wasn't obvious

[copper flame]

Idk im unconvinced

[earnest quail]

||I'm sorry, but even if this isn't real, I don't want to hype myself up when there is still the possibility that they fuck this up||

[copper flame]

||Plus I don't think there was a Sonic model in any of these either was there||

||and footage looked very much in engine||

[main plover]

||I don't think they got the models though||

[copper flame]

They did

[verbal token]

what's the current zone list

[copper flame]

This is how we know white space characters

[earnest quail]

||Everything we've seen in Shadow Gens has looked great, but length has been my biggest concern with it from the start||

[copper flame]

If this is real ||only what was confirmed||

[main plover]

||I thought that was also code||

[verbal token]

||also ngl i wouldn't even be shocked considering the footage we've been shown has repeated a lot||

[copper flame]

||Semantics, why wouldn't Sonic be there lol ||

[earnest quail]

||I just want at least 7 zones and 5 bosses||

||Is that too much to ask?||

||Just a smidge more content, is all I want||

[copper flame]

Again all of this is way too sussy for me and person in question provided no real proof or credibility of his leak, like actual gameplay screenshots or files

Just some questionable code datamine

People are going along with this way too easily

[main plover]

idk I don't see a world where a fan would fake this thing being in

[copper flame]

You do remember we talk about Sonic fans rn

These people are the exact type to fake this

Plus it doesn't take brains to look up what enemies were in Forces on the wiki

[main plover]

||It's in literally 2 levels in Forces (one of which is DLC) so it's so weird I don't believe a fan would fake it being in||

[verbal token]

i wouldn't dismiss it as fake just yet since it's lining up with what we've been shown

[copper flame]

Yeah because it's almost everything that was already shown plus some safe assumptions

[main plover]

||Either way believing this leak would simply mean if there is more you would be pleasantly surprised instead of let down||

[verbal token]

and honestly dismissing this info as fake just kinda means going in expecting more unseen stuff which
i doubt there's much of

[main plover]

||So I don't see the harm here||

[copper flame]

I'm not entirely dismissing it but i remain unconvinced personally

[earnest quail]

||Yes, that is why I am setting my expectations low||

[verbal token]

same as well

[earnest quail]

||I am letting myself get disappointed now so that I don't get disappointed when buying the game itself||

[verbal token]

||i'm not huffing copium that it's not true until the release proves it right||

best to believe it and then be surprised if it was fabricated

[copper flame]

I don't think Sonic fans need that at this point, people thought the game will have 3 zones

The only genuinely baffling part if this is real ||is lack of Sonic boss fight||

[main plover]

||Of course for me personally it would be mildly irritating but that's mainly because i'm obsessed with the enemies||

||Once again refer to the image to see||
||And also refer to it in general I put in so much effort here||

[copper flame]

||i just realized this means the game has no black arms enemies||

[main plover]

||No I just didn't include them because they're boring||

[copper flame]

Oh lol

Put more respect on their name smh

[main plover]

||Also I already put in over 1 hour so||

||Also didn't know whether to list them as "Shadow The Hedgehog" or just write "Black Arms"||

[main plover]

||Oh and for a third reason there's actually brand new Black Arms enemies and I wasn't gonna rewatch the trailers just to find them||

[valid rapids]

||i see a lot of copium going on lmao||

||i know sonic fans are crazy but why the fuck would they fake hundreds of lines of code like that||

||like there's nothing even too interisting in those lines to justify faking it||

||except orbot and cubot being there i guess||

||would you really put so much effort and research just to fake something like this||

[trail hamlet]

||Sonic fans creating 69 hundreds of codes because they were bored or some shit idk||
||I really hope it’s real Orbot and Cubot being there would be funny as hell||

||I hate the two but seeing them interact with Shadow of all people would be insane||

[verbal token]

||oh btw what are the guys shadow rescues, kinda had to go to sleep early yesterday so i missed out on a lot||

[valid rapids]

||dunno if they are rescued, but rouge, omega, big, orbot, cubot, gerald and maria are all in the game||

[main plover]

||The concept of Orbot and Cubot both being rescued separately is really funny I hope that happens||

[verbal token]

||the gun commander should have been one of the rescuees smh........||
||he invited shadow over for tea after the game's events||

[main plover]

||The G.U.N Commander is a fraud||

||Abraham Tower? More like Abraham Stinkypoopoo||

[verbal token]

||zavok and the gun commander should be rescued at the same time||

||COME GUARDIAN||

[main plover]

||Why does Zavok look like that||

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdomhearts-kingdomheartsiii-hayner-guardian-terra-gif-13626256836167712899

||the president should have also been a hostage||

[main plover]

!?

[verbal token]

||my drip is-||

[main plover]

||Anyways I guess we gotta hope Rail Canyon, Sunset Heights, Chaos Island and Radical Highway are REALLY good||
||Because while Space Colony ARK and Kingdom Valley do seem very good they aren't GREAT imo||

[earnest quail]

||Kingdom Valley has moments of excellent level design, I feel||

||Also we gotta hope the 2D acts are good (we're doomed, aren't we?)||

[verbal token]

||we're black doomed!||

[trail hamlet]

||Or even…||
||Devil Doomed||

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-mr-krabs-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-4556191

[copper flame]

||kingdom valley looked really good to me personally||

||i don't see why people are doomposting about 2d acts if they got the same level designers as base gens back and people like 2d sections in that game||

[verbal token]

||it's because they're old and tired old men making those levels! also cause dunking on 2d is never not unfunny lol||

[copper flame]

fair enough ig lol

[main plover]

I'm hopeful for the 2D acts but the lack of footage for them is scaring me

[earnest quail]

||Because the 2D in Frontiers controlled like dogshit||

||And this is using the same engine||

[frosty wraith]

yeah there was

||SonicBlueBlur.exe and Miller.exe||

[copper flame]

||yeah but previews said that the controls are being refined in comparison to frontiers||

[frosty wraith]

||exe fans cooking with this one||

[copper flame]

yeah its kinda strange innit

||if this is a pc version where tf they got it so early||

[main plover]

||Was Blue Blur the internal codename for OG Generations too?||

[copper flame]

||if its not a pc version, why are there exe files||

[frosty wraith]

||Anniversary was the original name of Generations||

[earnest quail]

||I'm not getting my hopes up||

[copper flame]

why not

ppl literally say it feels better to control than cyberspace lol

[main plover]

||We have seen so little footage of the 2D acts though||

[copper flame]

that's true

[verbal token]

||SONIC.EXE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||

[main plover]

||Part of me thinks they're scared to show 2D content after the negative reception of the 2D in Frontiers considering both this and the low amount of Classic Sonic footage (or promotion in general)||

[copper flame]

||yeah they probably lean into 3d stuff in the marketing because thats what people want to see||

||but also i dont think its that deep because they dont show that much footage from ALL levels, they mostly shown off first acts of the 2 levels||

[main plover]

||I mean I feel there's probably still something there with them not wanting to show off the Act 2s (Or Act 1s for base Generations)||
||Keep in mind Frontiers went from frequent 2D sections to quite literally 0 in Update 3 (Based on what I've heard)||

[copper flame]

yeah basically lol

[sacred axle]

||Need fake so my Emerl copium returns||

[long slate]

||i think im repeating myself but not having a sonic boss fight would be both dissapointing but not unexpected of modern sega||

[astral spear]

||Where the fuck is the gameplay||

[long slate]

||how i understand this is datamining the xbox version i think, they cannot play it||

[astral spear]

||Do Xbox emulators not exist????||

[long slate]

||for series x? I Think not?||

[astral spear]

||Okay but this is available on past gens right?||

[long slate]

||i dont think that is how it works, the point is, dont expect gameplay unless the switch version gets leaked||

[main plover]

||One of the very few things I know is Xbox consoles are extremely annoying to datamine and emulate||

[earnest quail]

||The thing is (at least from what I'm aware of) Xbox games actually run through .exe files, the system is a glorified modified Windows||

||But they are decrypted so tightly that dreaming to run them outside of legal means is a complete impossibility||

||This is why we have managed to see developments for PS4 emulation (even if incredibly small and incremental), but not Xbox One emulation||

[long slate]

||yeah is a miracle to have the names thought....iirc this happens with OG generations too, someone got an early disc of the x360 version and couldnt emulate it but manage to extract the names of the levels and bosses...time is a flat circle||

[main plover]

WAIT I JUST HAD AN EXTRA REALISATION HERE THAT MIGHT POINT AGAINST THIS BEING REAL
||WHERE'S THE EGG PAWNS WITH WEAPONS||

||Only Egg Pawn enemies here are "eggpawn.pac" and "eggpawnfc.pac"||

||Other enemies that you might think are Egg Pawns with weapons are Egg Gunner and Egg Stinger but those are actually 06 enemies||

[long slate]

||why someone would take time on writing hundreds of code line for a fake leak?||

[heady cloud]

Sonic fandom

I'm sure they did worse before

[valid rapids]

imagine writing 100 lines of code only for the punchline to be ||"orbot and cubot appear in the game"||

[copper flame]

the punchline is that they got attention for a few days before game came out

[valid rapids]

do we even know the guy

who leaked this

[main plover]

||Honestly the simple fact there's no version of Egg Pawns with spears is putting me off so extremely much here
We know they're in the game||

||I'm now only half believing this instead of thinking it might as well be real||

[valid rapids]

if its fake, then its insanely well made with an incredible amount of research
but also at the same time its so incredibly boring

[main plover]

||Especially considering the wiki page for Shadow Generations Rail Canyon DOESN'T mention them yet, meaning this is a very easy mistake to make||

Anyways gonna post this image for a third time because I put in too much effort for it to be forgotten this quickly
Take it with a grain of salt now though

[copper flame]

apparently more leaked shit started being posted on twitter than isnt datamined code of dubious origin but i cannot find anything 😭

[main plover]

Damn it.

I want the leaks.......

[astral spear]

Sighhhhh

[main plover]

||All I need to know is if the code leak is real, and all I need for that is to see the Egg Tank enemy from Forces||

[sacred axle]

I'm getting a feeling that this one of those "Uh-oh the whole thing leaked! It's definitely out there! Be careful!" and there's not a thing lmao

[main plover]

Why do people even do that?
You're scaring some people and getting other peoples hopes up

But not even in a funny way

[copper flame]

few of the people i trust said that so i think its legit

but i deadass dont know where to look 💔

if its real itll probably wind up here soon

[main plover]

I just need the leaks in my bloodstream

[astral spear]

Could they not rip the music from the leaked xbox files or are they all encrypted n shit

[main plover]

I think Xbox encrypts basically everything an obscene amount, so probably not

[frosty wraith]

Do you know how hard it is to extract a single Xbox file?

[astral spear]

No, that's why I asked.

[main plover]

The Xbox is so notoriously hard to datamine that there was a secret message hidden in the code of the Xbox version of Undertale purely to congratulate people on actually succeeding

[frosty wraith]

This is also the exact reason why Banjo Nuts and Bolts models haven't been uploaded at the moment

[earnest quail]

||https://fxtwitter.com/sonicas0/status/1844694517548552409?t=hk4m9ltfsSQfdtr0jnafOA&s=19||

Shadow Gens screenshots

Also Sunset Heights spoiler
||https://fixupx.com/MSROPls/status/1844634425176273201?t=_DtqU8Qi235Rf0kPQEnOuw&s=19||

||Killing myself rn||

[glad lake]

||Did they fumble it :(||

[pallid bolt]

||im sorry but the emerald swap is so fucking funny like okay alright fair enough i guess that works||

||rly funny writing||

[verbal token]

||good. they took out the inferior level from forces out.||

[trail hamlet]

||Wait what are we supposed to get mad about everything looks fine lol||

[verbal token]

||every forces level would be good if they all lasted the same 2/3 minutes and fucked off and became something else.||

[earnest quail]

||I WANTED TO SEE THEM MAKE THE FORCES STAGE GOOD||

[verbal token]

||so this means radical highway isn't a 2nd act for the ark then... good||

[trail hamlet]

||This pic is so funny though all these characters and action and then it’s just Big||

[astral spear]

||LMFAO?||

[earnest quail]

Also this same guy is saying (huge spoilers for the Sonic Gens portion) ||that the story was rewritten||

[verbal token]

POGGG???????

[grave barn]

||how much though
Was it just a few lines or a overhaul||

[earnest quail]

||https://fixupx.com/MSROPls/status/1844614017555276024||

[trail hamlet]

||REAL||

[copper flame]

this is actually hype as fuck

[copper flame]

||THIS IS SO FUNNY||

||and even then. EVEN FUCKIN THEN. its still longer than the actual sunset heights||

thats the most hilarious part to me

[earnest quail]

||Yeah but still, I was hoping it would get the justice it deserved||

||Not one minute longer||

[copper flame]

||thats like, 2 minutes longer||

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-eyebrow-raise-pirates-gif-9227372

now I'm interested

[earnest quail]

||Maybe the 2D act will be entirely in the stage tho||

[astral spear]

(In the base part of gens)

||Sonic Generations but it's written by Ian Flynn will be real in 5....||

[trail hamlet]

||Wow even Black Doom hates Forces||

[copper flame]

anyway

||these screenshots look sick||

||there's so much more story to this than i thought||

||actual character interactions between team dark? we're so back?||

[trail hamlet]

||And also Big||
||I can’t wait to see how he and Shadow interact||

[verbal token]

THIS GIF IS SO FUNNNY

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-eyebrow-raise-pirates-gif-9227372

[copper flame]

SO TRUE

||I ALWAYS THOUGHT ITD BE THE FUNNIEST SHIT IF THEY INTERACTED IN THIS GAME||

[verbal token]

||i am so fucking happy they're touching up the story even if it's minimal||

||i was totally expecting this to be a 3d world situation but woah!!||

[copper flame]

||they did announce reanimated cinematics but i didnt think it would go that far||

hype train is back on

[trail hamlet]

||So umm final story then||
||Pretty please with a cherry on top!!!!||

[earnest quail]

||I just assumed it would be fucking rerendered cutscenes||

||Not reanimated||

[copper flame]

kinda same

but i guess sonic team decided to cook

[trail hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/we-just-win-gif-14919159257068280807

[astral spear]

||I can't wait for people to come out and say they preferred the older cutscenes ||

[verbal token]

mknjwbeva

they will

||will modern sonic talk when chars are rescued...........................................||

[copper flame]

||if they will i sincerely wont believe them because sonic generations might have the most bland writing in teh series||

[trail hamlet]

||Please let this be the case||

[copper flame]

||its not outrageously bad like in lost world nor its very childish like in colors. its just nothing||

[upbeat reef]

https://tenor.com/view/whisperwoif-sonic-generations-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-gif-8240537210708409992

||actually the other gif couldve fit better, this doesnt feel like the right one, but its still funny||

[grave barn]

||so is sonic a boss? Im not sure from the screenshots posted||

[long slate]

||i think is just a cutscene||

[frosty wraith]

Wtf did I miss-

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/black-due-dude-with-big-gif-18606827

You can't just fucking drop that out of nowhere dude

[long slate]

||so the datamine seems real because big is there lol||

[copper flame]

||big being there was an obvious guess to make since he was one of the npcs that wasnt in the sonic's campaign||

[frosty wraith]

||he still appears||

||as a trophy.||

[copper flame]

||that bastard sonic. treats his friends as TROPHIES||

[frosty wraith]

||The bastard has been trophified||

[long slate]

Im sure ||he wasnt on the main campain bsck then because internet hated big ||

[verbal token]

subspace

[verbal token]

||yeah he was basically blocked off from appearing in any game, sonic chronicles was his last appearance.... and uhm, all stars racing too||

||then the 2010s kicked in and he came back in team sonic racing||

[long slate]

||now he appears more often that most characters lol||

[frosty wraith]

||Big was so perfect that he barely got any changes in DX||

[heady cloud]

And we already saw the fishing portal before

||https://x.com/MSROPls/status/1844766478005850350||

||No sonic boss fight ||

[long slate]

||cowards lol||

[trail hamlet]

||Ah, saw that coming lol||

||Oh well||

[pallid bolt]

||this is really ambitious, so Flynn is essentially rewriting old games to improve them? Aight, i can get behind that idea||

[astral spear]

||What ROM was leaked for these cutscenes||

[verbal token]

||sonic megamix||

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-peter-family-guy-xbox360-nevio-gif-27405664

||jk, idk where he got those cutscenes||

[copper flame]

||allegedly its leaked steam review copy||

||at least thats what i saw others say||

[grave barn]

||I've heard people say switch as well||

[sacred axle]

||Ah well at least Emerl was in the mini series right||

[long slate]

||anyways, it seems sega doesnt want you to beat up sonic in games anymore unless is play as a friendly competition||

[copper flame]

||im sure their reasoning was moreso that "oh sonic canonically defeats shadow in a race so it wouldnt make sense!!!!!!!"||

[frosty wraith]

||I WANT TO BEAT UP SONIC LIKE IN SONIC THE FIGHTERS, SONIC ADVENTURE, SONIC ADVENTURE 2, SONIC HEROES, SONIC BATTLE, SONIC 06 AND SONIC RIVALS 2 GRAHHH!!!||

[copper flame]

||either way, while its a bit unfortunate, im fine with this. we got fucking mephiles boss fight cant complain too much||

[frosty wraith]

||Sonic canonically wins Shadow in their final fight in Adventure 2, and yet we still have Shadow's side of the fight. Why not do it bruh?||

[copper flame]

||well endings of both campaigns also directly contradict each other and i suppose they dont want that here lol||

[long slate]

||im sure is more like a problem of timing+budget+being a enchanced re-release+modern sega still being very protective of the brand||

[pallid bolt]

Why is it even necessary

||what would Shadow beating Sonic do for them both beyond the premise of rivalry||

||maybe there is something to explore there but is it important for this story? Doesn’t seem like it||

[upbeat reef]

||SA2 reference||

[long slate]

||more bosses would be cool||

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-helpmann-true-feel-that-thats-true-morgan-freeman-true-gif-15273165990450333551

[chilly gorge]

||Black Doom's iniquitous plan of sending Shadow back to Radical Highway every level||

[earnest quail]

||https://fixupx.com/antonio_te9919/status/1844796831353409649?t=M2ES_3ivxyM9RclmzSzJVg&s=19||

Sonic Gens leak

||THEIR DEMENTIA HAS BEEN FIXED!!!||

[upbeat reef]

||Oh thank god good scriptwriting||

[earnest quail]

||https://fixupx.com/MSROPls/status/1844781613323850241?t=9CTv1gWrbGaJ50TFEPH4pg&s=19||

Small clip of the same moment

||Cutscene animation seems the exact same, it's just the dialogue that was changed||

[long slate]

||cant wait for prople online to be all annoying because of the writing changes||

[trail hamlet]

||Oh thank god they got rid of the weirdass memory loss lol||

[earnest quail]

||I genuinely don't know what there is to complain about||

||It's the exact same story||

||The characters are just slightly less dumbass-y||

[chilly gorge]

||watch this be the only changed dialogue||
||shadow's emotional support remains unchanged||

[main plover]

||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1844794426788364626||

[long slate]

||something something, IAN FLYNN ONLY WRITES REFERENCES something something||

[main plover]

||Is this the first time West Side Island is actually mentioned in-game?||

[long slate]

||I love how the title of the stage is diaetic on universe lol||

[trail hamlet]

||Oh my god that’s hilarious||

[main plover]

||You did have to jump on it to reach the Shadow fight in the original game so||

[copper flame]

||wow, WORLD BUILDING and CHARACTERS NOT BEING DUMBASSES?||

what a crazy world that is

[astral spear]

||West Side island namedrop is crazy||

[main plover]

||I genuinely think it's the first time West Side Island is mentioned in-game||

||South Island has been mentioned sometimes, Angel Island is mentioned all the time, West Side Island has had NOTHING||

[earnest quail]

||https://fixupx.com/MSROPls/status/1844766478005850350?t=gvpbbdpEN_wJIo76BswW2A&s=19||

Shadow Gens stuff

||Pain||

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-pain-battle-gif-13836987

[long slate]

||again....cowards lol||

[earnest quail]

Okay, so the final content count for Shadow Gens seems to be as follows:
||6 zones, 2 acts each
72 challenges
5 bosses||

[main plover]

||72 CHALLENGES!?||

||How many did base Generations have?||

[grave barn]

||90 I think||

[main plover]

||This is a lot then||

[long slate]

||so its like 3/4 of OG gens||

[earnest quail]

||Yeah, pretty much||

[heady cloud]

||What are the 6 zones? Forgot||

||i remember:
Ark
Sunset heights
Kingdom valley
Bullet station
Movie dlc but i doubt it's counted in those 6||

[copper flame]

||yknow what? thats solid amount tbh||

||and thats not counting how much stuff we can do in the open zone||

||plus base gens has more changes than we thought initially||

[heady cloud]

||https://fxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1844837815877587264||

[grave barn]

||idk why but the lip movements compared to the voiced are really throwing me off||

[trail hamlet]

||Yay voice acting for the rescue scenes!!!!||

||But yeah the lip syncing is odd lol||

[verbal token]

||HE TALKS||

|| https://tenor.com/view/he-can-talk-gasping-let-him-talk-funny-gif-12315113 ||

||also tails no longer says the bit of "that water gives me the creeps..." about the pink plant water||

[main plover]

||Honestly I will say the cutscenes really should have been reanimated alongside this||

||Why does it zoom in on the water now?
In the original it's because Tails directly talks about it but here it's just really random||

||And Sonic's mouth movements when he talks to Knuckles there are so obviously just stitched on to pre-existing animations that it's a little jarring||

||Second one might just be because I have seen these cutscenes a lot of times but still||

||And before anyone says this is nitpicking: Sure my second point might be but that first one is just not how you make cutscenes in the slightest||

[copper flame]

||in fairness in the dialogue it says something like "did that monster do this" showing the damages at the plant||

[main plover]

||I always felt the implication that was just the aftermath of Chemical Plant Act 2||

||It isn't too damaged at the start of Act 1 or the start of Act 2 iirc||

||Yeah just watched some footage it only starts getting damaged a little bit into Act 2||

[main plover]

Anyways
||Is that the sun in the background of the SXSG version or is the moon just mysteriously bright now?
If it is the sun that's fucking awesome hell yeah||

[copper flame]

||i think it might be the sun to contrast sonic and shadow's demeanors||

[copper flame]

||ig tails is stupid and just wasnt present for that lmao||

||but i do like the implication that time eater literally messes up places from the past like this||

[long slate]

||soul vs souless - a video essay be TrueSonicFanIanHater94||

[verbal token]

||jesus what a pose glowup||

||the original one felt so cramped honestly, i'm glad they stretched them out||

||i do feel it's the sun given the different firey texture, though i could see it as the moon||

||(tbh the original shadow rival boss fight always annoyed me in generations for how lime colored everything looked like, their skin looks yellow and the moon is cheese)||

[copper flame]

||color theory in generations is sometimes questionable to me in general. why speed highway is so BLUE, the original level was so much more colorful and visually interesting||

[main plover]

Wait I just realised something
||Assuming the code leak is real (Which seems increasingly likely every new leak) AND the fact Challenge Acts are back then there's probably still Challenges themed after the rescuable characters
Will we get an entire mini-stage focused on Orbot and Cubot||

[earnest quail]

||I love how Sonic now actually responds to the other characters in White Space, but he still gives the dumbass thumbs up at the end which is now extremely out of place, made even worse by him randomly saying "alright!" to justify it.||

[main plover]

||Yeah I feel they should have either reanimated that or just kept him mute
Having him talk AND do all the same movements just looks odd||

||Also how the hell are they gonna reinterpret the Amy cutscene lmao ||

||He looks so damn annoyed he would HAVE to be reanimated here||

[copper flame]

||they probably gonna reanimate some bits||

||alright! is a bit out of place but i can see it as sonic's general reaction to their friendly rivalry||

||he can be corny like that, as a treat||

[main plover]

||After rewatching these "character rescue" cutscenes I'm even more unsure how they're gonna handle giving these dialogue||

||Half of them barely stay on Modern Sonic for even a few seconds||

[astral spear]

||Real chance that the homing shot lines will be modified||

[main plover]

||I hope they remove some of them so it's only about 3 lines instead of 9-ish||
||The more annoying the better||

[verbal token]

||nah keeping him mute was not an option. always the suckiest part of the game||

||i feel they might just linger on shots and just fill in dialogue that way||

[copper flame]

||i genuinely didnt even remember that sonic was silent during these cutscenes. crikey!||

[main plover]

||How is Sonic not talking for a second or 2 the worst part of the game||

[verbal token]

||i remember them too well, he legit was mute just because santiago didn't speak||

[main plover]

||IF ANYONE HERE SAYS THE WORDS SANTIAGO AGAIN I WILL FIND THEM||

||IT WAS NEVER FUNNY AND IT HAS BEEN GETTING ON MY FUCKING NERVES FOR YEARS||

[verbal token]

||the game is excellent and thus the worst part has to be something that is very easy to notice and nitpicky. someone is talking to him, and he deadass doesn't respond? that's very unlike sonic||

||it is the worst part of the game easily lol, sonic just leaves them on read||

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/xunta-galicia-xacobeo-xacobeo2122-peregrina-gif-22193105

[main plover]

||I quite literally never saw a single soul complain about it until this week||

[verbal token]

||dude no offense but i've seen people comment that on every comment section of the game's cutscenes since... idk 2015 at latest lol||

||and idk what exactly would be a part of the game worse than this mute sonic thing? game's super high quality in everything so idk what exactly you're proposing to be a worse part than that lol||

[main plover]

||I don't watch Sonic Generations cutscenes effectively ever||

[main plover]

||Planet Wisp mainly||

[verbal token]

||i mean in all the years i've had since 2011 to look at the game's cutscenes i've encountered that pointed out as a flaw plenty times lol||

[main plover]

||I just never saw it mentioned personally I guess||

[verbal token]

||then don't pretend nobody has complained about it ever then||

[main plover]

||Either way it honestly feels less like it's because of Classic Sonic but more because they didn't care to get Junichi and/or Roger into the studio for 9 extra lines most people would live without||

[main plover]

||I never said that, I said I never personally saw it before this week||

[verbal token]

i mean idk what else is supposed to be implied from here

like this can only be said as a way to convince "oh this isn't an issue at all actually", it doesn't exactly contribute much to the conversation

[main plover]

I wasn't implying anything I just like to state my personal perspective on random things

[verbal token]

either way i'm just happy they've finally revised this thing in the story i had so much of an issue with

it's a minor thing but it adds up when multiplied times 9

||like it's such a huge factor as to why people say generations has a very nothing story lol, the middle chunk of the game is just X character gets freed, says something to sonic, and sonic doesn't reply or make any remark or anything witty. it's boring||

[main plover]

||I would say it's not a huge deal for me personally but if other people had a problem with it I get it||

||Also even if I think the cutscenes look off I can always just do the Modern Sonic acts first to avoid the new dialogue so||

||Unless they randomly decided this is the game where Classic Sonic finally gets to speak (HA!)||

[long slate]

something new happened or just shitposting?

[main plover]

||Sonic talks when rescuing characters now so we were talking about that||

[long slate]

||oh ok, something new that stands out?||

[main plover]

Anyways
||I honestly feel the rewrite wasn't needed
But I also feel the rewrite won't annoy me||

||Generations is very much not trying to be a story-based game but considering all the animation is identical it probably still won't be||

||So i'm fine with it, just feel they could have spent the 5 or so dollars they used on that for something else||

[long slate]

||i would prefer if they changed the final boss rather that rewrite the dialogue||

[verbal token]

||law of equivalent exchange||

[main plover]

||They wouldn't change the final boss even if they didn't do a rewrite||

||This rewrite probably took so extremely little time, money and work
Way less time, money and work than redoing an entire boss would||

[long slate]

||JUST COPY THE 3DS BOSS ON THE HD VERSION AND DONE!||

[main plover]

||No.||

[verbal token]

||honestly if they had to get together a writing team to begin with to work on the shadow side, i don't see exactly what got wasted on the generations side's script getting rewritten?||

||i just don't see what is there to complain about with this fix||

[main plover]

||idk I just feel it wasn't exactly needed
I don't care too much either way but it feels unnecessary||

||As long as the game still doesn't focus too hard on story i'll be fine with it||

||But honestly I will say Sonic and Tails not remembering Chemical Plant was honestly justified because it was just another generic Eggman facility they went through anywhere from a few months back to possibly years depending on how far SEGA wants the timeline to stretch||

||Sure it returned multiple times AFTER Generations but not really before||

[heady cloud]

||please no. 3ds time eater took me over 5 years to finally beat||

[verbal token]

they should ||fix time eater so this plays during the final boss instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdCdO4hTRbc||

[main plover]

||Honestly no, the original Time Eater theme is already good||

||And Sonic Youth was not made for gameplay at all, especially not the Final Boss||

||And they would need to remix the song so it changes between when you play as Classic and Modern like the original theme too||

||MAYBE if they actually do have a final story but let's be honest it's effectively deconfirmed lmao||

[astral spear]

||Oh I just realized what the new cinematic of Time Eater in space(?) Is for...its the scene where it nicks shadow from the ARK||

[main plover]

||What new cinematic?||

[astral spear]

||In one of the Sonic X Shadow trailers there was a snippet of a new cinematic of the time Eater, it was in space. Some people thought for a while that this meant idk final story stuff.||

[main plover]

Shadow Generations length
||https://vxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1844885341607436485||

[astral spear]

Here

[main plover]

||Honestly the code leak might as well be proven at this point right||

||And Challenges are back ||

[astral spear]

||Has been ever since the screenshots came out ||

[main plover]

||So assuming there are still "character" missions like the original there would be individual levels for Orbot and Cubot, right (or maybe 1 shared one if they are both rescued in the same level)?
So what the hell would those missions/that mission be?||

[verbal token]

||pacifist runs where you don't break any of eggman's robots||

||i hope they do the same stupid zoom the NPCs do in shadow the hedgehog when giving him a mission||

[main plover]

||Both of those are hilarious ideas||

[astral spear]

||That's creative||

[main plover]

||Also I did the math and assuming Rouge isn't rescuable here because of already being in Sonic's campaign then yeah Orbot and Cubot are rescued seperately||

||You can tell they struggled to find characters to use because after going for Gerald and Maria (For obvious reasons) and Omega (For equally obvious but different reasons) they went with Big (Who I think exclusively interacts with him in Team Sonic Racing) and then Orbot and Cubot SEPARATELY (Who I think he exclusively interacts with in the DS version of Colours which is an obscure and arguably canon game)||

[verbal token]

||they should have had the gun commander as one rescuee.... they're probably on good terms after shadow 05 and in 06||

[main plover]

||Yes but this is funnier||

[verbal token]

||merlina should have been another rescuee... add another can of worms regarding the canonicity.||

[trail hamlet]

||Same I thought for sure he was gonna show up here too lol||

[verbal token]

||they should have given him dodonpa too.||

[main plover]

||Merlina and Dodon Pa are obscure as hell lmao||

||One of them is from a one-off game from 15 years ago and the other is from a game nobody played||

||I feel using Big, Orbot and Cubot make more sense, even if they are all comedic relief that heavily contrast the tone of the game and barely have relations to Shadow purely because they are actually characters people know||

[verbal token]

||they should have had scourge and nicole the holo-lynx||

[long slate]

||they are dead in the ken penders´s graveyard||

[main plover]

||I'm gonna be honest maybe my random inexplicable love for Orbot and Cubot is influencing me here but I can't see many better options||

[verbal token]

||they should have had princess Sara and Old Man Owl||

[main plover]

Ok I get it now

[verbal token]

||the game should have had sonic's favorite clothes as a preorder bonus..............||

[grave barn]

||well scrouge is, Nicole is just in the general Archie graveyard
Difference being is that the Ken penders one is less of a graveyard and more a giant pit of corpses||

[main plover]

Penders is like a really shitty necromancer

[heady cloud]

||We do know ds is canon because of team sonic racing||

[main plover]

||I mean kinda||

||But it can't be 100% canon is the thing||

[grave barn]

||I mean mother wisp is canon but that doesn't exactly mean colors ds is canon
Unless missed something||

[main plover]

||So are the parts where Shadow interacts with Orbot and Cubot canon?||

[heady cloud]

||It can because i said so ❤️||

[main plover]

||Was Shadow being there even canon?||

[heady cloud]

||Anyways they should've remade ds instead of wii colors||

[grave barn]

||colors ultimate was really just a porting job with a bit more extra content, it would of been way harder to do the DS games||

[hasty agate]

||https://fixupx.com/MSROPls/status/1844837815877587264||

[valid rapids]

oh shit

welcome back lake lapcat

[grave barn]

||I'm assuming that's the entire hub world?||

[hasty agate]

Most likely

[valid rapids]

||there are orbot and cubot icons there||

||we won||

[hasty agate]

||holy shit||

[trail hamlet]

||Damn Orbot and Cubot are on the (possible) final area too😭||

[astral spear]

||Oh fuck||

||We knew about Devil Doom but neo Devil Doom it is?|| (Final boss)

[trail hamlet]

||I see you||

[valid rapids]

||i wonder whats that large metal thing on the bottom right of the map||

||looks like some large ship?||

[trail hamlet]

||Kinda looks like a road?||

[valid rapids]

||also i only see 4 level gates in the map||

||one is missing||

[long slate]

||maybe is just the map but the hubworld does look a little small for a "open zone-esque" zone...specially since shadow would run as fast as sonic in the campain||

[main plover]

||Hmm this looks a little odd
Not saying it's fake but there's still some oddities here||
||It seems like Shadow has unlocked 2 of 4 levels here since only 2 of the portals are large and blue||

||Weirdly enough there's seemingly a planet icon above Orbot and Cubot but we already know Omega is for Space Colony ARK||

||And there's no icon like that around Omega||

||The environment around Orbot and Cubot on the map gives me the impression of Kingdom Valley but that might just be me||

[verbal token]

||what if it's tropical resort from sonic colors since they come from there................................||

||or if it's the final one might be the black comet||

[main plover]

||No the guy who leaked this already confirmed we already saw all level themes||

[astral spear]

||Nooooo more black comet! Noooo more shadow 05 stage rep!||

[main plover]

||Especially considering the inclusion of Orbot and Cubot 100% confirms the code leak from yesterday which means no other stages||

||Just 2 acts for each stage we already know, including a separate Radical Highway (As well as the appearance of the level in Space Colony ARK Act 1 and allegedly Sunset Heights Act 1)||

||So yeah no more level themes and a shitton of Radical Highway||

||This means the silly will return since the code leak is real||

||Most people dislike Forces enemy designs but I like him :)....||

||He kinda looks like he's wearing an oversized helmet and I love that :)||

[verbal token]

||he has a nft helmet||

[main plover]

||What does that even mean!?||

[long slate]

||cant unseen it, NFTBug||

[main plover]

||WHAT ARE YOU WEIRDOS TALKING ABOUT!??!?!||

[astral spear]

||Yeah no I don't know what they're talking about||

[heady cloud]

||love the forces badniks||

[long slate]

||lol, the ape nfts some of the most prominent were just that same helmet||

[main plover]

||No they didn't||

[long slate]

||we are joking dont take it too personal kidd||

[main plover]

||I'm sorry but I'm THE #1 Forces Motobug fan||

||I'm also the only Forces Motobug fan........||

[verbal token]

fuuuuck!

[main plover]

||That's such a damn generic helmet design though||

||Is that guy from X-Men a damn NFT now?!?!||

[valid rapids]

||exactly||

||if it wasnt generic it would not be in a nft||

[verbal token]

||it's longer calling him that guy from xmen than just cyclops 😭||

[valid rapids]

the guy from marvel vs capcom

[verbal token]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-godot-prosecutor-courtroom-gif-17001133

[main plover]

||Yes but I would rather die than give anyone the misconception I care about Marvel enough to even know character names outside of the blatantly obvious ones||

[verbal token]

||xmen are not mcu slop............||

[main plover]

||I didn't mention the MCU||

||I just generally don't care about Marvel too much||

[grave barn]

||yet||

[main plover]

||Either way the point i'm making is my beloved Forces Moto Bug is not an NFT||

[verbal token]

yeah he's godot from ae attorney

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-godot-gif-19158008

[main plover]

These are all my babies

||But especially Moto Bug||

[long slate]

btw ||any hints of a last story?||

||or at least super shadow?||

[main plover]

||There are hints against a last story||

[long slate]

||dammit....no time eater revamp boss then||

[main plover]

||The full code leaked a few days ago and there was nothing and today it's been effectively confirmed to be a real leak||

||Anyways I find it funny how technically the Forces Moto Bug would be even weaker since they don't even have the little blade arms to slash or balance themselves with||

||But they're cute and I like them so it doesn't actually matter what purpose they serve in the highly streamlined Eggman Army from Forces||

||He was forced to eat cement 💔 ||

||They look like they have a Virtual Boy melded to their face||

[astral spear]

||What happened to R.O.B. bro 💀||

[main plover]

||Gotta love how Moto Bug has a helmet that resembles Cyclops but then Buzz Bomber is just an actual Cyclops||

||And for Egg Tank.................
I got fucking nothing ||

||Egg Tank SUCKS||

||Imagine being so lame you only appear in 2 levels||

||Egg Pawn, Buzz Bomber and Moto Bug have so much over you in that department Egg Tank||

||Buzz Bomber is one of the 2 generic flying enemies Forces alternated between, Moto Bug appears in basically all 2D segments and Egg Pawn is in every single stage||

||Egg Tank? NOTHING. Because Egg Tank is a damn loser.||

||Not even named outside of the files||

||You should feel lucky you're allegedly in SXSG||

||Anyways reposting this again before I go to sleep since it's 100% confirmed now||

[frosty wraith]

how many times you gonna repost this?

[main plover]

Well honestly I was thinking this would be the last time

[frosty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/tokunbo-rock-eyebrow-raise-what-excuse-me-gif-23624761

u sure?

[main plover]

||I MIGHT repost is if we find out what the TND Egg Flapper is but probably not||

||Though assuming it's a Sonic Heroes variant it has to be Bomb Flapper, Gun Flapper, Laser Flapper, Search Flapper or Solid Flapper||

Anyways as I said i'm going to sleep gn

[heady cloud]

||Someone waa asking how they would changw amy
Here's it
https://fxtwitter.com/MSROPls/status/1845009408528420882||

[upbeat reef]

||oooh i like that the dynamic is still there but more subtle||

[trail hamlet]

||They’re so cute||

[main plover]

||I just had a dream where they leaked Classic Sonic talks now||

||Collection Room is back||
Not too notable but it's true

[copper flame]

||ngl this is a great rewrite||

[copper flame]

||the map looks like there's plenty stuff to do without much filler, which is nice||

[main plover]

||I decided to play some specific Forces levels just to see how the enemies that will appear in SXSG will work and
wow Moto Bug is so rare in Forces||

||4 Stages, exclusively in 2D sections, 2 Modern Sonic stages, 2 Classic Sonic stages||

||The wiki says they also appear in Aqua Road, Red Gate Bridge and Eggman's Facility which is TECHNICALLY true but functionally they basically aren't||

[verbal token]

I like this

[hasty agate]

||finally you’re not concerned about fucking flirting with sonic in THIS situation||

[hasty agate]

I ALREADY FOUND SOMEONE

[hasty agate]

[frosty wraith]

Boss Spoiler

||https://youtu.be/kpZtj9vMQ4A?si=NCTmj7k9teaNaCIG||

[trail hamlet]

OH

||Damn Shadow getting physical in these fights is so good||

||Surprised the rom hasn’t leaked yet lol||

[long slate]

||sonic retro has like 5 pages of people complaining about the rewritten cutscenes blaming ian for it...is so stupid||

[upbeat reef]

||There's the Ian blaming 😭 ||

[trail hamlet]

||Are you kidding me lmao???||
||This is literally the most nothing thing to complain about||

[earnest quail]

||You have to be fucking kidding me||

||LITERALLY NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE WAS CHANGED, ALL THEY DID WAS MAKE THE CHARACTERS LESS DUMBASS-Y||

[upbeat reef]

||THEYRE IMPURIFYING THE ROGIINA LGAME!!!!!!1111111||

||IAN'S GONNA INSERT HIS PHILOSOPHY IN SONIC NOW!!!!||

[valid rapids]

||>"generations has no story"

iann writes one
"this story sucks!!"||

I'm so tired

[earnest quail]

||My only complaints with the cutscenes isn't even the new script, it's the poor voice mixing with the animation||

[astral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/джокер-jonkler-jonkler-gif-11529455559250573721

||HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE REAL||

[astral spear]

||Absolute cinema||

[frosty wraith]

||what kind of fucking writer sonic fans want then?||

||just fucking cancel the franchise so we can enjoy their tears of cope ||

[earnest quail]

||I fucking hate the Sonic fanbase||

||Why do these people have fucking vendettas against a perfectly average writer||

[frosty wraith]

||Just be like the Mario fans, most of the time they're chill. Except the Paper Mario fans, we don't talk about them.||

[earnest quail]

||Mario fans will hear me say "Mario Galaxy is a lil overrated" and be totally chill with it||

||Sonic fans will hear me say "Sonic Adventure 2 is a lil overrated" and send me fucking death threats||

||THAT IS NOT A JOKE, THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME ONCE||

[copper flame]

||once the game leaks or just comes out in earnest i think i will just block most people with inane criticisms because im tired||

[astral spear]

||That's fucking sucks I'm sorry you had to see that||

[copper flame]

||ian is not a perfect writer but nobody is. and frankly, his script is 1000000 better than what was in the original game||

||its not a high bar to pass but still||

[earnest quail]

||Personally I think it's like, a 10% improvement||

[upbeat reef]

||is it nostalgia, or is it just some sort of hivemind shit were seeing||

||like, is ian flynn hating cool, or do we have people who genuinely think that way for real reasons||

[earnest quail]

||It's nice how the characters aren't complete idiots anymore, but it's still a pretty nothing story||

||And again, the voice mixing with the animation is pretty bad||

[copper flame]

||i mean there's only so much you can do without heavily changing it i suppose||

||at least dialogue has some substance now||

||and its not bland as hell||

[copper flame]

some people do genuinely hate him

[astral spear]

||The Ian Flynn writing memes can be funny but it shouldn't be proof that he's actually a shit writer or something||

[main plover]

||I wouldn't say they were idiots originally personally||
||I guess they forgot Green Hill and Chemical Plant and while I have basically no excuse for Green Hill, Chemical Plant was still just a random generic facility to Sonic and Tails, of course they would forget it||

[copper flame]

||and like whatever dude, you can like whatever writer you want but i feel like sonic fanbase in particular has this, almost parasocial relationship with people who work on sonic projects, only in a negative sense. instead of admiring them too much, they barely treat them as people anymore and dog on them to unbelievable degrees, no matter how fair it is||

i remember when iizuka's was fandom number 1 enemy, with people insinuating that he's the person ruining the series

the fact that this narrative was so prevalent for YEARS

[upbeat reef]

unironically

[copper flame]

to the point where some people were making xenophobic jokes and remarks in regards to his appearance, which was just disgusting

[upbeat reef]

jesus

||is this what they call internalized sonicphobia||

[verbal token]

yeah you're right
his appearance was disgusting

[earnest quail]

||Reminder of the shit Pontaff and Graff had to deal with for 10 fucking years||

||Say what you will about the quality of their writing, but they're still people||

[upbeat reef]

pontaff and graff

[astral spear]

Please elaborate

[copper flame]

||i dont like their writing but they're still people||

[verbal token]

(i was making fun of the wording)

anyways these people should have their fingers cut off so they can't type their dumbassery anymore

[earnest quail]

I forgot how to spell their names lmao

[upbeat reef]

lol dw its just pontac

[verbal token]

no i meant klu's pos ton iizuka

and remarks in regard to his appearance which was just disgusting (the appearance was disgusting)

anyways it's just a joke

[upbeat reef]

there's awlays gonna be ungrateful people in the fandom whenever something, no matter how promising and good, new releases