Leaks for Pokémon

[shell sand]

anyway 10/10 story, would tell people the story is good

[spice timber]

oh fuck

[rose junco]

I think I still prefer Sun and Moon's, but it's up there for sure

[white garden]

||Ok so catching up on the story||

[spice timber]

gen 10 video
||https://vxtwitter.com/centroleaks_alt/status/1977813774095757424 ||

(Not) Centro Leaks (@CentroLeaks_alt)

https://t.co/5v2BjKurxT

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

[white garden]

||Did the final boss just turn into SONIC FRONTIERS OF ALL THINGS|| Endgame

[shell sand]

NO FUCKING WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[shell sand]

god Gen 10 ||Please be good please be good please be good||

[sharp lake]

||Feesh||

[shell sand]

||i feel so seen even though they excluded my archipelago||

like yeahghh.... thats the vibe

[white garden]

||Like genuinely did Zygarde hit the tower with the Giganto finisher|| endgame

[sharp lake]

(PLZA endgame) ||Zygarde was the true Pokémon Gun after all…||

[shell sand]

||theyre doing proper detail pop-in oh my god||

[manic bane]

||already better looking than sv chat||

[red garden]

(Future project spoilers) ||It's getting funny at this point they're gonna make remakes and legends games of every region BUT unova||

[shell sand]

i mean what really matters is ||the performance, the town design, and how alive the game feels regardless||

because if this doesnt appear in Gen 10 ||2026 release then we are clowning on it full stop sorry||

[manic bane]

||true but i prefer this art style i think. its really early of course tho||

[shell sand]

i dont think ||its that different of an art style, they just made the water actually real||

[manic bane]

||nice looking water||

[red garden]

(Gen 10) ||Is it just me or do I get "Them trying to make their own palworld" vibes from this 😭||

[red garden]

||Miiverse water guy would be happy||

[shell sand]

ugh i just need them to make Gen 10 good

i wouldnt care if they didn't make it ||South East Asia|| but of course they did

its personal

[wanton trail]

ALREADY?????

[white garden]

||Ok is there any new lore for Xerneas and Yveltal or nah||

[arctic bobcat]

Post game story ||it's funny how this probably was less for story reasons and more for "how do we make Eternal Floette available"||

||just free up the owner I guess...||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||I mean they could have always done another borrowing situation like LA||

[rapid stream]

||PLEASE BE TURN BASED, PLEASE BE TURN BASED||

[shell sand]

agree!

im going to tkae this time waiting for gen 10 to get familiar with the culture of the new region

[manic bane]

||lmao botw https://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1977825751467704701 ||

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

In Pokémon Wind/Wave the player will be able to challenge the final boss right away after getting the ability to traverse the sea, and will be able to defeat it and see the credits.

However it will be a lot more difficult.

X · Oct 13, 2025, 7:56 PM

gen 10

[shell sand]

All I care is that tehy actually ||represent the culture good||

like i don't want to hear (gen 10) ||survival mechanics|| when it comes to ||SEA like we have towns and cities and farms here we are a society we aren't isolated from each other||

[surreal vault]

||Go, my endeavour quick attack focus sashed rattata||

[arctic bobcat]

||doesn't really let Eternal Floette become available if you can't transfer it outside of the game||

[shell sand]

||who was borrowed in Legends Arceus?||

[shell sand]

shouldve sent out a ||dark type||

[rose junco]

||I don't think LA cared about that?||

oh yeah another postgame thing I think
||you can get the tutorial (Mega) Lucario (beside a letter from AZ), is in player's room apparently||

[runic prawn]

gen 10 ||so it's botw lol||

[shell sand]

gen 10 ||i wonder where the final boss is, betting on borneo/kalimantan since thats indonesia's capital||

also ||borneo's the biggest island in the region||

[dusky token]

So how's teraleak 2 going lmao

[manic bane]

its going 😭

gen 10 || precaudal generation is crazyhttps://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1977836615017058715 ||

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Pokémon Wind / Wave (Gen 10) Leaks Summary 💨 🌊

- Releases 2026
- Set in Southeast Asia
- Island exploring / underwater exploring / open world
- Main themes: infinity, survival in the jungle
- Procedural generation for islands
- Brand new graphics engine
- Switch 2 exclusive

X · Oct 13, 2025, 8:39 PM

[shell sand]

gen10: I just hope the ||jungle doesnt make them forget about dotting towns everywhere||

gen10: Like they marked out ||that many islands. please at least have 2 towns each island||

[surreal vault]

||Wait fucking ProcGen are they NUTS??!!||

[shell sand]

i dont think the ||actual game will use it|| more like ||theyre using it once||

[manic bane]

||they might fumble this😭😭✌️||

[velvet bobcat]

||considering what paldea did with towns and landmarks..... we're cooked ||

[shell sand]

im pretty sure both ||Paldea and Legends Arceus were like. Hand done maps||

gen10: if they use the tools to ||proc gen the islands they might be able to focus on refining it||

[velvet bobcat]

||youll get one really culturally rich yet extremely empty big big city and some collections of buildings vaguely themed around their area as towns||

[shell sand]

Ok so like tbf

thats what its like

[velvet bobcat]

yknow what good point

[shell sand]

||indonesia's a bit sparse and far from each other that I don't mind it not feeling like there's not enough cities||

[velvet bobcat]

||i guess in this context it works better than it did in paldea||

[shell sand]

its one of the few regions that WOULD work with the whole ||open world concept||

i just hope there's still ||towns everywhere||

gen10: like in my mind i dont want the ||islands to feel like no human has ever lived there||

thats my bare minimum

[velvet bobcat]

||i've been a phillipines/east islands asia as the next region defender since gen 9 was announced so im glad that they are picking up the concept||

[shell sand]

gen10: i wonder if ||we'll get boats. that would be so cool||

[velvet bobcat]

||absolutely, we will need some way to seafare||

||i think that was one of the things they mentioned in tera leak act I||

[shell sand]

gen10: if these documents are right ||then the legendaries wouldnt necessarily be the transportation this time? either that or like there are legendaries that would be transportation and theres just an old man and old woman mon that you report to||

[rose junco]

some of their footage of beginning of ||C Rank to B Rank promotion match|| because why not
(character spoilers obviously)

||god I really need this theme ripped||

[velvet bobcat]

does emma have any cool aura and hype moments in this game

[shell sand]

is that THE ACTUAL MUSIC

LMAO?

[rose junco]

yes

[shell sand]

OH MY GOD...........................

game cooked with the chars so hard actually

dont we have the files

[velvet bobcat]

music and character design is legit the things that keep getting better and better each game

[shell sand]

theys hould be ripping these already

[rose junco]

yeah, but still haven't seen good rips of most anyway

[shell sand]

so like

how is the combat system

does ||Stealth Rock hit you constantly||

[rose junco]

||easy to cheese bit of the time from what I heard, but there are bit of fights that can be hard, idk how Spikes or the like work if they're in||

[spare hare]

(new music) ||https://vxtwitter.com/OctaDatamine/status/1977418883742224513 ||

Octa Datamine (@OctaDatamine)

sorry for the delay the music in this game is a banger

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 12, 2025, 4:59 PM

[rose junco]

oh thanks

[velvet bobcat]

fuck yeaaa japanese electroswing

[cunning tartan]

Holy peak

This sounds fanmade in a good way

[velvet bobcat]

actual fiction

[spare hare]

here's a longer version that has the whole theme

[shell sand]

lmao the title is WRONG.

[rose junco]

||uhhh going through that one fake wall is cool I guess? nothing I can really think of on top of my head (but there's lot of shit to keep up with), though there are fights with her|| (~up to late game spoilers)

[velvet bobcat]

does she do the thing

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-pokémon-xy-z-a-looker-gif-15689779385661745473

[shell sand]

||i dont think she has an espurr||

[rose junco]

||thankfully no lol (though she does mention stuff like the suit)||

[rose junco]

||she does||

[velvet bobcat]

she does lol its in the trailer

its the same as in xy presumably

[rose junco]

yeah

[spice timber]

wait, ||who's it for then||?

[spare hare]

z-a uhhh not really story spoilers but minor character spoilers ig ||yeah mimi is still with emma||

[velvet bobcat]

||pleeeeease looker in the dlc please please pretty please i want those mfs reunited||

[rose junco]

||Jacinthe|| (character spoilers)

[spice timber]

WHAT ||IT'S HER THEME||???

THAT'S SO GOOD

[spare hare]

looker bureau ||you'll get this and like it ||

[velvet bobcat]

ILL TAKE IT

oh right ||dude in the right is in the game is he not||

[shell sand]

oh i was thinking of her ||battle teams||

[cunning tartan]

Teraleak, past plans ||holy peak, reviving the Legendary Dogs... curious how that would've messed with their lore||

[rose junco]

||unless he's in postgame or somewhere hidden, I don't think so||

[velvet bobcat]

||leaker guy said that he has a new name and new design||

[shell sand]

but who's he?

[velvet bobcat]

||xerosic||

[shell sand]

||i think he confused a character for a different one||

[velvet bobcat]

could be

[shell sand]

||xerosic's not here but instead there's a "twink-like team flare member"||

[velvet bobcat]

amazing description

looking foward to that

[tepid eagle]

Holy shit

[tepid eagle]

||im glad we got kalos set in modern time instead for legends 2||

[sharp lake]

(PLZA) ||What's the story with autosave now? Is there really no option for it anymore? Is it not super strict so it can be worked with?||

[surreal vault]

Gen 8, cut content
WE WERE ROBBED

[tepid eagle]

||same but mainly because I love towns and don’t really care for primary outdoor areas||

[spice timber]

gen 10 model update spoiler

[tepid eagle]

Is the right for gen 10?

[spice timber]

i think so?

[sharp lake]

||It's cute, but definitely prefer the proportions of the older ones.||

[velvet bobcat]

i like it

||honestly, theres a lot of pokemon out there that could use some slight redesigns||

[trail sedge]

||GEN 10 IS INDONESIAN??!! ||

[surreal vault]

Hmmm...

[trail sedge]

||DUDE ITS MY COUNTRY||

[surreal vault]

Im conflicted on it

[trail sedge]

||WDYM THE FIRST MAJOR VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE TO USE INDONESIA IS POKEMON???!!? ||

[tepid eagle]

HE IS SO CUTE

I LOVE THE NEW MODEL

[sharp lake]

(Gen 10) ||I hope gen 10 follows gen 9 on adding more new evos for old mons, it was really nice to see that again.||

[vestal arch]

gen 10 ||'s so pale colored + the yellows over browns that it looks closer to a regional, don't like the head either||

[sharp lake]

||Hopefully the paleness isn't intended like that but we'll see.||

[tepid eagle]

||I think it needs the shaders||

[shell sand]

OH MY GOD WE ARE FINALLY GETTING ||THE UPDATE WE WERE PROMISED SINCE GEN 8|| 😭

[rose junco]

||there is no option in settings at all yeah, not sure how strict it is but it seems pretty common (but only autosaves after catching a Pokemon and not killing it at least) from what I've heard||

[shell sand]

i mean the older model doesnt look correct eitehr

[sharp lake]

||Well yeah it looks too dark, I thought it might’ve been the shiny model at first (it isn’t), but still doesn’t mean the other isn’t super pale.||

[sharp lake]

||Oh thank you! A little unfortunate but we’ll see how it goes.||

[agile girder]

I’m still bitter over the lack of a Nene pokemon for Alola

I also really hope they make aquatic Pokémon that lack the water type

[velvet bobcat]

no rooster pokemon in the iberian region,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[shell sand]

Paldea was absolutely phoned in

[sharp lake]

Which region do you guys think was the best at repping its irl inspiration?

[shell sand]

ALOOOOOLA

and the japanese ones obviously

[tepid eagle]

Alola

[shell sand]

i mean like

Kalos and Unova are like erally good

[tepid eagle]

Paldea sucked tho

[shell sand]

but they just dont match up to Alola

[tepid eagle]

And Galar

[shell sand]

eh

[tepid eagle]

It’s better than paldea

[shell sand]

thats true

but many english are saying its kinda weird for no reason

at least according to my friend

reads words

"worcestershire sauce"

[tepid eagle]

I think at minimum this new region should be better that paldea

[shell sand]

they got the writers back

they just need like.

the good gamedev back

which like ough.

[sharp lake]

I love a lot of aspects of SV but the region was definitely meh in both repping and just not being very interesting level design.

[tepid eagle]

It’s so boring

[shell sand]

me when kitakami has more love in it than Paldea like

[tepid eagle]

The dlc areas are a lot better

[shell sand]

Paldea was absolutely phoned in LMAOOO

poor spain

poor portugal

[sharp lake]

Kitakami and the Terrarium are pretty neat.

[shell sand]

i think the Terrarium's cool and clearly good but idk if its like

"American"

[tepid eagle]

Who cares it a sick underwater school that’s badass

[sharp lake]

Yeah, it’s just “generic biome mash” area, but I don’t mind it there since it’s basically a big fake environment.

[shell sand]

ya its good

its just not murica

[tepid eagle]

Yeah of course it looks fake it’s fake

And it’s also just a cool concept especially because it’s underwater for no reason

[shell sand]

so it in like the poketlantic ocean or something

off the coast of new york

[tepid eagle]

Compare this to paldea which is a very boring visually

[shell sand]

Paldea is amazingly bad

I genuinely cannot believe this game outsold anything

[tepid eagle]

Area zero is the only area I even care about

[sharp lake]

A step closer to the underwater volcano lair.

[shell sand]

Area Zero when Star Crossed World enters

[tepid eagle]

Lmao yeah

[shell sand]

"behold tropical area with crystals and mysterious vibes"

kirby:

[tepid eagle]

But still area zero is the only remotely interesting area in the game

[sharp lake]

Gen 10 ||I wouldn’t mind if this new island region was more linear because I just don’t trust them to execute open world design better tbh.||

[tepid eagle]

Yeah

[shell sand]

yeah but uhm ||" you can go to the final boss and beat the game"|| doesnt really feel like thats the case

[tepid eagle]

||but I doubt it because of fighting final boss||

[shell sand]

ideal situation is like

gen 10 is ||completely linear you can just leave the path whenever||

which like. game journalists woudl hate

[tepid eagle]

||please level scaling||

[shell sand]

but would be pieak

[tepid eagle]

Whoever designed sv’s routing I despise

[spice timber]

i feel like the (gen 10) ||procedural generation stuff is a pretty good idea in this regard, it completely separates the filler spaces inbetween landmarks and the landmarks themselves||

[tepid eagle]

It doesn’t make any logical sense

[sharp lake]

||Oh yeah that’s true, but they definitely need a dynamic leveling system this time. Paldea marketing open world but still having a set path anways because of how the levels are.||

[spice timber]

gen 10 ||they can handcraft the landmarks without worrying about the entire rest of the region AND i imagine sharing and discovering the islands can be really fun||

[tepid eagle]

||I know xenoblade does this||

[shell sand]

who theyre clearly referencing

theyre taking the right steps i just think they dont have the time or manpower to finish properly

[tepid eagle]

Yeah the leaks literally reference ||xenoblade||

[shell sand]

sh

[spice timber]

i mean, presumably

[shell sand]

tf you mean presumably

[sharp lake]

Shulk is a trainer now!

[shell sand]

its clear as day

[spice timber]

gen 10 ||a procedural generation system, if finished, would save them a ton of time||

[shell sand]

they have ||7 different projects|| right now

they only have ||3 years||

i am not giving any benefit of the doubt anymore sorry

[quartz mountain]

spoiler megas ||ok so the weird waving things on top were real? they still look like the souls of the damned or something ominous, like theyre trapped within dragalge and the spirits are anchored there||

[spice timber]

z-a is good

[tepid eagle]

||no employee should suffer through making the environment ||

[shell sand]

Z-A is only the ||City||

[spice timber]

i feel like i can trust them to at least make something palatable and interesting

[shell sand]

like i can say its characters are good but like you really can't tell me that this was "mission accomplished"

[tepid eagle]

Also god please hire more people

[shell sand]

especially when there's concepts like ||Ride Pokemon thrown out the window||

[quartz mountain]

Final boss ||kirby levels of final boss||

[shell sand]

like nuh uh

[spice timber]

well, i'm trying to keep an open mind

[shell sand]

you always do

[spice timber]

i'm absolutely 100% certain shit will be tuned down when these projects actually release

[shell sand]

i am trying to keep an open mind about ||SEA pokemon|| which is like. thats insane to me

theyre taking the right steps dude i just dont htink they have the manpower

[sharp lake]

||GameFreak really should work with more studios to help with manpower, but they’re really stubborn about it or pull BS like with did on ILCA.||

[shell sand]

or time

[quartz mountain]

Beta ||waiter can i get more text clutter on my display please?||

[spice timber]

oh absolutely, i really hope (gen 10) ||they actually manage to pull it off||

[shell sand]

gen10: and that is a fair assessment to make when the release is ||2026||

[quartz mountain]

Teraleak future game ||sheeeeeeeeesh, biblically accurate sized pokemon fr||

[spice timber]

i feel like (general teraleak stuff, massive spoilers) ||gen 10 is gonna be alright and legends galar would probably be okay too, neither reaching the heights of these concepts, but i don't know HOW they would manage to pull off the 4 region mmo||

[quartz mountain]

A friend

[shell sand]

dude i dont think i can handle ||video game that presents SEA and the first thing that will be posted about its gameplay is glitches||

[tepid eagle]

Only way I see them ||pulling off the mmo is with outsourcing||

[shell sand]

and then compeltely focusing on the ||japan multi-region mmo is like 😭 okay||

[spice timber]

gen 10 ||i don't see it being insanely buggy like sv was, i just don't see them letting that happen again||

||especially considering it's about to be the face of the next generation of games||

[shell sand]

idk when you tell me that Gen 10 is ||multiple South East Asian islands, you can swim under the water and theres an ocean floor and its an open world and it has survival elements and you can go to the final boss and beat them at the start|| im going to be worried when the only time this has been achieved well was ||BotW and ToTK which both took decades||

you just really can't tell me to not worry

you can't

[velvet bobcat]

when it comes to new pokemon, galar takes the cake

[shell sand]

mmmm

ok yeah ill concede that

[spice timber]

gen 10 ||they also plan on EVERY FUCKING POKEMON being uniquely interactable with, which is something i am entirely expecting to get cut||

[velvet bobcat]

james turner did a good job

[shell sand]

goodbye space cowboy (james turner)

[shell sand]

||if you think toning down the game is like a good thing i really need you to like consider the fact that toning something down or Removing It means they used up time to add it in, realized their mistake, and removed it, leaving less time for everything else||

also looking back its so funny that people thought Gen 10 ||was greece||

i dont think the ||Mediterranean has that many islands tbh||

[spice timber]

||this happens to literally every game ever though, cut content will always have dev time put into it and will always happen||

[rose junco]

||yeah they're real, here's another pic from the back for reference|| (endgame pic but focusing on (unrevealed) mega)

[shell sand]

||yeah and games delay for that reason not keep releasing 2026 can you stop trying to convince me this is fine||

[shell sand]

||Toxsin Dragelfilis|| (new mega)

[spice timber]

||z-a was delayed for exactly this reason, and its cut content is in an extremely laggy and unfinished build of the game||

||it's also not like that code goes away forever||

[shell sand]

why are you trying so hard to convince me

[quartz mountain]

||I wonder what the lore behind this mega is ||

[rose junco]

||"It spits a liquid that causes the regenerative power of cells to run wild. The liquid is deadly poison to everything other than itself."|| (new Mega's Pokedex entry)

[shell sand]

honestly without abilities i dont really know what makes megas different

besides just being a statboost

[quartz mountain]

theyre in pain

[shell sand]

does Mega Kanga still have the double hit effect

[rose junco]

idk

[shell sand]

do you get less cooldowns as a mega?

[spice timber]

i think all your moves get buffed for the mega duration

[rose junco]

||yeah more Plus move stuff||

[shell sand]

thats it + the base stat buff

?

[spice timber]

yeah

[shell sand]

ok

[spice timber]

there's a really funny exception to it

in z-a, ||starmie, mawile and medicham all get an extra 40 points to attack, because their abilities in the real game are huge power (speculation for starmie)||

[shell sand]

i knew about this already

[spice timber]

oh

[shell sand]

this counts as "the base stat buff"

[rose junco]

oh right yeah (endgame/postgame and Mega spoilers) ||Zygarde's Core Enforcer turns into Nihil Light||

[quartz mountain]

||Nihil-IGO!? ||

[shell sand]

i dont think i count that

[rose junco]

||anyway, here's the pop-up tutorial mentioning it||

[shell sand]

so its literally just

a ||meter-based powered up form||

are the moves interesting?

like stealth rock was in one of the trailers and i imagine its set up like a trap in the battlefield

some move forward, some just have you stand still, etc

[quartz mountain]

||nah theyre just z moves /j||

[spice timber]

iirc they just get bigger and stronger?

from trailers

like strong style moves, ig

[shell sand]

not talking about + moves

just moves in general

[rose junco]

I didn't really get to pay too much attention to the normal battles tbh

[shell sand]

but you took so many screeeenshooots

[rose junco]

wish I had more of the footage to rewatch

[shell sand]

damn

[rose junco]

tbf a lot were cutscenes/overworld/bosses lol

[shell sand]

and a lot were them showing battles !!!

[rose junco]

like bit of the bosses seemed cool at least

[white garden]

||watched the entire final boss sequence|| final boss

[quartz mountain]

i love lore and story in my pokemans games

[white garden]

||They turned this into sonic frontiers|| final boss

[shell sand]

oh is it on youtube already or are you watching something else

[rose junco]

||Mega Banette in particular is insane|| (midgame spoiler, I forgot which Rank)

[quartz mountain]

||They changed Mega Banette!!?!?!?||

[rose junco]

||well I'm talking about the Rogue battle||

[quartz mountain]

||Oh the battle is cool, design is same?||

[rose junco]

||where it splits into multiple and stuff||

[vestal arch]

[gen 10 thing from earlier today] ||also the tail looked like a stick of butter||

[shell sand]

true its ||thicker||

i kinda like it better ||thicker||

[quartz mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[shell sand]

never liked the|| flattest tail in the universe||

[rose junco]

okay right it was during ||Rank E||

[vestal arch]

||i'm 50/50 on it and gotta see it in motion n stuff some day, just wanted to make the comment before i forgot again cause going out||

[shell sand]

i can animate things in my mind

im doing it right now

[rose junco]

||wish I got more pics because there's a lot going on in the later parts (splitting into like up to 5 of them)|| (fight during ||Rank E||)

[shell sand]

||Clawroline|| vibes

[quartz mountain]

||I am going to
split up into 3 5||

[shell sand]

why does it show ||Ariados|| but the pokemon out rn is ||absol||

[quartz mountain]

||Probably an NPC helping battle||

[rose junco]

||most of these you fight with someone else yeah||

[quartz mountain]

||multiple on field||

[shell sand]

Oh

who has ||Ariados||

[spare hare]

||naveen||

[shell sand]

huh i thought they;d ||have a scrafty||

[spice timber]

ooh, found a tier list maker for the z-a stuff

[rose junco]

||Naveen yeah||

[spare hare]

||he has multiple mons, he also has a scrafty yea, and a krookodile||

[spice timber]

||https://tiermaker.com/create/legends-za-new-mega-evolutions-tier-list-18205092 ||

[rose junco]

||unfortunately their ace is usually last in these still from what I've seen||

[shell sand]

so ||Krookodile?||

[rose junco]

||Scrafty||

[quartz mountain]

LMAOOOO a better look at this and its literally ||pompompurin||

[shell sand]

oh you mean they only ever show their ||Ace at the finale||

[rose junco]

||I mean it's usually the last they send out||

||even in the later fights like these after they get Megas lol|| (story and Mega spoilers)

[shell sand]

ohhh ok

os theres a chance that when ||Lida says Starmie vs Starmie she wouldnt even send it out if you take it out fast enough?||

[rose junco]

||'Starmie vs Starmie' proceeds to not send it out first|| (late game, ||Rank B||)

[rough kelp]

i have not been keeping up with the leaks in past few days, so question regarding a character
||do we get to learn Corbeau's bodyguard name?||

[quartz mountain]

||Why is she just punching it lol||

[white garden]

NEW MEGAS
ok done

[shell sand]

yeah thats why i was wondering

[rose junco]

||you mean the big guy? if so yeah they're Philippe|| (midgame character spoilers)

[rough kelp]

thanks, that's the one

[wanton trail]

||they cooked with the new megas this time around||

[rose junco]

||I just realized, is Pyroar's supposed to resemble 炎 or something like that? that's so funny|| (new Mega spoilers)

[spare hare]

probably yeah

[sharp lake]

||I dunno if any would know, but is there any word if marks/titles are in the game?|| (PLZA)

[spare hare]

internal docs, vague statement on remakes ||if this is legit, they really said "don't do bdsp again" lmao||

[shell sand]

thank you for acknowledging

[spice timber]

internal doc ||this is probably why we've gotten so much unova fanservice in modern pokemon, they know they can't really do it justice with a basic remake||

[dusky token]

||Isn't Unova considered the peak of the series by diehard fans?||

[shell sand]

the way that all this boils down to is ||we're going to do better for Gen 5 remakes but sorry gen 4 gets a prequel that looks really shit and thats it sorry||

[rose junco]

||there's text file with them, but I don't think there's any new ones in there and I've not seen any ingame||

[agile girder]

I think it’d be cool (though unlikely) if Unova remakes added a couple new Pokemon. Mainly to improve type diversity since we’re lacking in Poison, Fairy, Ice, and Dragon Pokemon.

[rose junco]

for this from earlier, apparently ||it's just if Pokemon steps on them they take damage||

[shell sand]

so like

once forever

or like

everytime you enter the object

[rose junco]

any time

[arctic bobcat]

||some day we'll get the platinum remake

even if its a Let's Go style attempt, something that doesn't regress for the sake of regressing||

[rose junco]

||neat board in Lysandre Labs|| (||Rank B|| area, late game)

[spice timber]

internal document regarding z-a dlc

||i don't think that porygon-z was edited in, that's actually on the document||

[arctic bobcat]

||i assume the porygon family tends to aptly represent the dev team's feelings as development goes on and they keep on finding more bugs||

[shell sand]

at least gamefreak has charm

they haev charisma but everyone just knows to steer clear

[cunning tartan]

||footless Kirby...||

[rose junco]

(postgame and story spoilers)

[rose junco]

I didn't get pics but (postgame) ||Le Z Éternel's team still sucks LOL||

[torn ore]

Teraleak internal docs ||Looks like they found a doc mentioning some director drama that explains why Masuda doesn't direct games anymore||

[shell sand]

What

Elaborate?

[torn ore]

||From another server||

[velvet bobcat]

||"game content was based on PR rather than fun" well ok so what is it based on as of now ||

[shell sand]

………

[shell sand]

Genuinely i dont know what the fuck this means

[shell sand]

"||Up till BW, it was an era when no one could disagree with Masuda as a director, and it led to a variety of problems, and content was designed for PR rather than Fun which lasted through XY, got into an arguement with Sugimori during that development and led to Masuda never directing after XY||" ok but what the hell does ||Content was designed for PR rather than Fun|| mean

like thinking about it ||Gen 4 was pretty bad as DP, and HGSS and Platinum are way better and more fun games, Gen 5 was definitely fun, with BW and B2W2 both being very good JRPGs. Gen 6 was too easy and added megas||

okay so ||Megas were added as content designed for PR? and i mean yeah thats fair. they gave you megas and made game piss easy. Game was designed large, lots of pokemon, big confusing city, the fucking Kanto references everywhere, ok||

but then they never stopped that either even after ||Masuda was 'not allowed to direct anymore'||

so what gives

||SM was pretty average in difficulty, and then USUM just blasts everyone with difficulty, Z-Moves feel like a thing that brings in PR but is more gameplay focus and has a dance for the fun factor or something idk. SM/USUM is definitely heavier on the story||

and then SwSh ||comes along and . Dynamax is there again. like every time theres a new mechanic i honestly do not think the mechanic was designed for Fun in mind because this is just big mechanic that makes you win. Also SwSh was not that hard either||

Like, was ||content better before or after? some games it is||

[velvet bobcat]

||it's a complete backwards statement since from XY onwards it all became hyper PR focused||

[shell sand]

||Gen 7 is clearly like packed with content and tried to do so much but at the very elast they got a bunch of the fun ones in||

[shell sand]

YEAH RIGHT LIKE

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.............

was ||Masuda the missing sauce this entire time|| or is this even some more convoluted ||relationship/situation|| thats just horribly explained in some document THEY made

[velvet bobcat]

||it means whoever wrote that thought they could do a better job at making the games about fun instead of PR and then failed miserably||

[shell sand]

Like

What.

||SwSh was like pure PR with no fun|| not to mention it was RUSHED

[velvet bobcat]

||we need the Masuda version of this story||

[shell sand]

originally with ||3 Wild Areas before being cut into 1 wild area and putting the 2 widl areas as dlc||

like the fact that there's ||DLC in the first place for that game||

and supposedly those are the games after ||Masuda not being allowed to direct|| like what?

and then every game after just DOUBLES DOWN

[velvet bobcat]

||I think it's clear that masuda pretty much controlled everything about the games he directed and that authority eventually led to this disagreement, allowing other people to take his role with this new "fun over PR" idea that fell through right away||

[shell sand]

Honestly?

this changes my entire perspective

on that whole hashtag

that thanked him

like

[velvet bobcat]

||so like. maybe him controlling everything is part of the reason his games are so solid||

[shell sand]

Oh my god

Yeah but like okay Gen 4 was NOT ||that solid at the start||

[velvet bobcat]

yeah that's the black sheep

[shell sand]

but like

its so silly that wasn't the ||straw|| but ||XY was||

and then like they kind of just ||double down on pleasing PR||

and then even after they don't even make the games ||Fun||

how are they saying theyre designing for ||fun when the big open world mainline doesnt have level scaling|| like

what is.......... going on with this company.......

[velvet bobcat]

||oh reminder that this happened midway thru XY. the games that famously had a shit ton of cut content||

[shell sand]

honestly bestie

thats evry game after gen 6

I think like ||SwSh was an attempt to rein in the scope but they still rushed the game||

so like. its whatever

[velvet bobcat]

||ok but like xy had an entire 1/4 of the map removed lmao||

[shell sand]

like ||SwSh was definitely designed as a more compact experience and they couldnt even finish that but THEN told themselves to just make 2 DLCs||

[shell sand]

TO BE FAIR ||KALOS IS STILL LIKE THE LARGEST REGION EVER UNTIL LIKE paldea which like paldea isnt winning this one sorry||

like what even is ||Designing for Fun||

is it ||designing too over scope||

and then ||toning it down||

like ... thats been a problem with their games ever since ||XY||

like yeah ||Gen 3 4 and 5 had a bunch of unused ideas but they were unused ideas that they could ignore, literal text prompts of small things||

[velvet bobcat]

||maybe don't release games nearly every single year too||

[shell sand]

and then ||Gen 6 rolls around with concepts like megas, even more routes, plot nonsense etc||

||OR/AS felt whole because they had a good foundation and they just really locked in for Gen 7 somehow, even with all the unused ideas||

like is ||Designing for PR not embarassing yourself with an unfinished idea. because i feel like if that was the case Masuda would have been better||

but i can't tell because this is the most vague document ive evr seen like its genuinely a vaguetweet

it is genuienly a fucking vaguetweet this shit is actual fucking drama

[velvet bobcat]

||doesn't help that it clearly comes from one of the sides of the arguement rather than an unbiased view||

[shell sand]

like ||Gen 7 was fan service up to the wazooo but it also knew what it wanted to do as its own game||

and then they just... dialed up the ||fanservice for kanto again, and Gen 9 was the first time in a while it felt like they moved on ||

this is so dumb. GameFreak is like

a fuckign What-Happened-Matt-McMuscles video ready to blow up

[velvet bobcat]

hope we get more documents like this, this shit is crazy

[shell sand]

idk man. its so. i can't stop thinking about it

its so baffling

everytime i read this document its like ||but you never stopped.........||

they list all these ||bad things masuda supposedly did but they never stopped doing that||

[velvet bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-megamind-under-new-management-tighten-titan-gif-6730439544205425419

||the only thing that changed was the management, arguably worse||

[torn ore]

Some extra things to add from thow they do things (future game spoilers) ||Gaia also might be Ohmori's final game to direct||

[spice timber]

maybe it's like

||masuda was the one who course corrected so damn hard after people didn't like bw, and megas/obnoxious fanservice were his idea?||

||so when he was told to sod off, the damage was already done||

beats me why ||future games still had so much heavy obnoxious fanservice though||

also, the doc mentions ||until bw, not xy, so maybe that's the point people finally got to argue against him||

[merry canyon]

Can you please post them more if you find any?

[torn ore]

It's all I can find so far

[velvet bobcat]

||personally I believe the PR thing is less about pandering to gen 1 and more about changing gameplay or going off the usual formula||

[spice timber]

there's a second part of the doc

talking about their relationship with TPC

[velvet bobcat]

show show show show

[spice timber]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551972811854577665/1427563761736351764/image.png ||

they mention dexit

[velvet bobcat]

What's ||niji|| btw

[torn ore]

||I think it's Sun and Moon iirc||

[spice timber]

no clue

ah

it's so fuckin cathartic to read that ||gamefreak hates the forced shilling as much as the community now does||

[velvet bobcat]

||they built their own prison of neverending shit development cycles and now they struggle to escape||

[torn ore]

||The idea that every other guy at Game Freak are sick and tired of Gen 1 pandering but Masuda and Ohmori says otherwise lmao||

[velvet bobcat]

||Masuda to ohmori is honest to god the fucking more like under new management meme||

[spice timber]

||game freak devs purposefully designing dynamax to be as mediocre as possible so tpc finally shuts the fuck up about kanto||

[velvet bobcat]

||I guess it would be easy to say ohmori's direction performed worse due to the quality of the modern games, but then again we don't know how would had Masuda handled the 3D games and onward||

[torn ore]

||I think that's why Ohmori won't be in charge after Gaia. As stated there, they want everyone to have a chance in giving their thoughts rather than just Ohmori alone going through everything||

[shell sand]

what the fuck is this COMPANY

GAMEFREAK IS A LITERAL BUNCH OF GOONS HOLY SHIT

[spice timber]

i don't think so?

it reads like ||they just have shit management||

[shell sand]

I shall think so regardless

[spice timber]

||going from hypercontrolling masuda to hypercontolling ohmori is like escaping a saw trap and taking refuge in freddy fazbear's pizzeria||

[shell sand]

god save this dev team

[velvet bobcat]

Freddy gif

ohmori to me feels less controlling than Masuda tbh

at least based on the recent entries of the franchise that try out different ideas with different directions (and miserably failing, but that's beside the point)

[shell sand]

on god

||Ohmori's read 6 times before approval thing might be why GF is so slow in modern day||

||lets more things in sure but it still takes just as long especially with fucking HD development||

You need a clear idea from straight to finish or you shouldnt be devving games 3 years at a time 😭

[velvet bobcat]

it's good to finally have actual concrete and objective proof that game freak does genuinely give a shit and try hard but they are an absolute mess of a studio who's not anywhere close to being able to pump out content every year as they try

[shell sand]

its abolsutely vindicating

[velvet bobcat]

something I really wanna see are docs related to their relationship with nintendo

I'm super curious on what's the situation with them cuz like

[shell sand]

girl its so crazy that they have documents of fucking Tea and Drama

[velvet bobcat]

having the team responsible for some of your system sellers in this state and pouring out such controversial games definitely shouldn't leave a very good impression with the folks at the big N

[shell sand]

i remember like

Oh i still have it

[runic prawn]

I've been trying to figure out how accurate these are

(internal docs) ||they do use 広報 that means PR indeed, so that part is accurate||

[shell sand]

there's this big feedback document from Nintendo (Super Mario Club) for Gen 3

like when the first half of teraleak happened

and in it was just

feedback people have been whinng about pokemon for years

[velvet bobcat]

oh lmao I remember that

and game freak just fucking dismissing the complaints lmao

[shell sand]

"can you make IVs and EVs easier to use" "its not as exciting that the rival is just your neighbor instead of an aggresor" "too many pokemon in exclusive events is very exclusionary"

and this hapepned like

RS

RS and FRLG

emerald wasnt out yet

excerpt In FR/LG, the help and tutorials have been significantly increased, and it seems that they have put more effort into attract ing beginners. Also, from what I saw of the help content, it seems that they are targeting "game beginners" rather than "P okemon beginners". However, the help system in FR/LG was not very complete, and it was hard to say it was polished in terms of usability. T he core game system itself followed the same flow as the previous game, and there was no effort to streamline the specif ications for beginners, so I'm a little skeptical about whether it had the desired effect.

[torn ore]

So in short ||Game Freak management is a mess basically||

[shell sand]

"hey the teachy tv sucks ass and you didnt change Kanto at all to accomodate to beginners"

amazingly,

Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee

is literally the "feedback applied" version of this

so it took them that long

like yeah they werent gonna remake kanto anytime soon but like they finally actually listened to 2004 feedback is funny

selecting Pokemon, which involves hatching eggs, discarding them, catching legendary Pokemon, and resetting the gam
e, so I think it would be more of a hassle for users who want to play the game hard in search of strong Pokemon.
One option is to take the stance that if it's a burden, then it's not necessary, but if there is a specification like that, then
the maniacs will do it, and as their existence supports the purchasing demographic throughout the series, I think they sho
uld be given some kind of relief. If the personality system is to continue, I think it is necessary to take some kind of follow-
up measure to reduce the amount of work required, such as making the child's characteristics and personality conform to
one of the parents, so that users who have to do the selection process don't find it troublesome and abandon the game.``` they acknowledge how insane the grind is for getting good comp mons the first game they had comp 😭

[spice timber]

i've been saying this for AGES and it's so nice to have concrete proof of it

[shell sand]

personality being Nature

when was Nature Mints added

SwSh?

[spice timber]

swsh

[shell sand]

yeah

[spice timber]

yeah

[shell sand]

2004 -> 2019

[spice timber]

honestly, with the masuda stuff in mind

makes a lot of sense ||why bdsp ended up Like That||

[shell sand]

Oh my god.............

Wait let me check

Ohmori didnt touch BDSP.............

No.... no way

[spice timber]

||someone who was outed from a directorial role for being hypercontrolling and corporate minded being put in charge of a remake with a "faithful" label slapped onto it, of a game he originally had full directorial control over||

||they're never letting him direct anything ever again and he absolutely deserves it 😭||

[spice timber]

oh my god 😭

not a leak, but related to the above topic
||masuda directed lgpe???||

[spare hare]

new mega ||this mega is so pretty||

[neat needle]

||is that the shiny?||

[harsh lion]

Z-A STORY QUESTION ||without giving me any details does anyone know if xerneas and yveltal are in the game or are they just in the data. yes/no is sufficient||

[spare hare]

Yes

[spare hare]

||Yes they are||

[shell sand]

i thank them once again for not choosing ||Jynx||

[harsh lion]

za story pokedex question ||are diancie hoopa and volcanion?||

[rose junco]

||Diancie has a sub mission but no one knows how to activate it. might be event-only||

[harsh lion]

||ohhhh thank you||

||and the other two just aren't in, right?||

[rose junco]

||Hoopa's in the data iirc but I assume it'll be DLC, doesn't seem obtainable||

[spare hare]

Mon availability ||yea other two are data but dont seem to be in unless it's something super secret ig. Hoopa makes more sense for dlc anyways tho||

||notably neither is part of the z-a dex which very likely means they're not in||

[harsh lion]

||figured, thats why i was surprised to see hoopa in the dex lol||

[rose junco]

||ah I didn't know the dex part||

(side mission/possible event spoilers) ||Diancie one requires its Mega Stone to start so guessing they're gonna distribute that||

[runic prawn]

PEAK PEAK PEAK PEAK PEAK

[sharp lake]

(New mega) ||Tall… very excited to use this one with the much needed power increase too.||

||Ice/Ghost is a pretty scary offensive type when you actually have stats behind it now.||

[merry canyon]

I can see why GF said don't make the mistake from BDSP.

[harsh lion]

gamefreak document leaks not related to any future projects (this is a mouthful of a spoiler tag)

||should we tell him||

[runic prawn]

LOL

[tepid eagle]

Poor thing

[lilac saffron]

Let him live happy in his delusions

[white garden]

||Ok has there been any footage of encountering xerneas or yveltal|| postgame

[spare hare]

postgame ||i've seen screenshots but idk about actual footage||

[white garden]

ok

[spice timber]

god

z-a ost/character spoilers ||i just, can't get over jacinthe's theme||

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=717PJmvzVkA ||

||never in a million years would i have expected a song like this to come out of pokemon||

[spice remnant]

||This sounds like the instrumental to a vtuber song||

[quartz mountain]

||slayyyyyy||

[torn ore]

||My GOD it's so peak||

[shell sand]

ironically its not for the ||vtuber character||

[torn ore]

ZA, Shinies for revealed Megas ||God I love them so much||

[rose junco]

oh yeah mentioning OST stuff (postgame) ||here's theme for Lysandre's postgame battle, seen it posted but mislabeled a lot lol||

||still haven't seen footage or pics of the fight myself though||

[torn ore]

||Is there no vod of r-kun's trovo stream? I saw it live last night||

[rose junco]

||oh nice, what was his team (if you remember)||

[torn ore]

||iirc Pyroar, Florges, Noivern, Mega Gyarados, and I forgot the other two||

[primal wind]

||Not sure if it's been mentioned but

Pokemon Legends Z-A takes place 5 years after the events of XY, but Leon is mentioned to be defeated. So it seems it takes place a little after the events of SwSh too||

[shell sand]

yeas

[spare hare]

POSTGAME, HUGE SPOILERS ||his team is Pyroar (78), Florges (78), Noivern (79), Garbodor (79), Sableye (78), Mega Gyarados (80). he keeps pyroar and mega gyarados, honchkrow and mienshao are gone since they're not in this game||

[rose junco]

||ah cool||

mentioning, has anyone dumped all the teams yet still
guessing not

[spare hare]

not yet

at this rate i figure one of the big dataminers will drop that tomorrow when the game is out

[spice timber]

i'm surprised we haven't seen any shiny hunting stuff

maybe the dataminers are just waiting for release to dump the technical info

[rose junco]

I wonder what shiny odds are at least

[spice timber]

no one's mentioned anything about any methods

[spare hare]

i think generally for that kind of thing, you need someone experienced looking through the info to both compile and interpret that

and you also need to know what's actually in the game

[rose junco]

they definitely feel higher

[spare hare]

so i don't really expect anyone to post that until the big dataminers

[spice timber]

it might just be because you see a lot of them

and shinies are nigh impossible to miss

[wanton trail]

||okay honestly I’m just pissed that Lucario and Garchomp are getting new megas||

[rose junco]

maybe, ||but someone getting 2 shinies in one (main game) playthrough is still insane||

[marble sand]

alright I caved im looking at centro leaks I keep seeing this shit all over my timeline 😭 if it were just ZA content I could ignore it but there's so much they're talking about

[wanton trail]

||Would’ve liked to see something insane like Mismagius or Honchkrow||

[spare hare]

i got 2 shinies during my first shield playthrough somehow

[spice timber]

it's actually so baffling

[spare hare]

it was pretty insane

[spice timber]

that we got all of this

oh damn, two shinies?

what were they?

[spare hare]

g-ponyta and perrserker

i also got a shiny arrokuda like. almost right after beating the game

[rose junco]

||(posted earlier but person got shiny Magikarp and shiny Trubbish if anyone wanted to know)||

[spice timber]

those are awesome shinies to get, especially ponyta

[wanton trail]

Does z-a release worldwide tomorrow at midnight or smth

[spice timber]

10% in glimwood tangle

[spare hare]

it was actually my first g-ponyta encounter

which is the insane part

[wanton trail]

I thought that lmao

[rose junco]

it's dependent on region of eShop you bought it from, as always

[marble sand]

like what do you mean ||we know the names of the next games 😭 I don't think this has ever happened before||

[wanton trail]

Did you think it was the original colors of Ponyta until you saw the sparkles

[torn ore]

||When I was testing it out for an hour, I found a Shiny Fletching. If it wasn't for the shiny sound I would've missed it because it was just perched on the lamppost. Hell I had to use the record feature to find where it was cus all I heard was the sound||

[spare hare]

i followed pre-release closely enough that i knew what the base colors were, but yeah for a moment i was really confused like "wait is this what it looks like in this game- OH"

[rose junco]

but yeah basically midnight timezone-wise for most

[wanton trail]

||You got your hands on ZA?||

[spice timber]

FUTURE GAME SPOILERS ||we know the next games and basically what they're planned to be like||

[spice timber]

that's fuckin awesome

and g-rapidash wasn't revealed until launch

[wanton trail]

FUTURE GAME ||not even that, we know the FULL DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE UNTIL 2028||

[torn ore]

Also big ZA postgame spoilers ||Xerneas and Yveltal reuse the XY Legend theme lmao||

[wanton trail]

TERALEAK ||since both happened relatively within close proximity of each other, if you told me that a Pokemon game had a load-bearing Goku file like Guilty Gear I wouldn’t be surprised||

[rose junco]

(postgame/events) ||huh, not a remix? I thought it was just Mewtwo that did||

[tepid eagle]

Switch 1 opening area || https://youtu.be/X58WOVNtT1A?si=FBnuZIbOYgl25XrM ||

[wanton trail]

ZA LATEGAME ||has the final boss been leaked||

[rose junco]

||does Zygarde use a remix then||

[rose junco]

yes

[wanton trail]

OH SHIT

[torn ore]

Postgame ||Oh you saw footage of the Mewtwo mission?||

[white garden]

||Footage????||

[rose junco]

see here and below for some of the finale stuff

[wanton trail]

Thansk for the warning

[rose junco]

(postgame/event) ||no but someone was looking through the files for Mewtwo's theme (because it has specific one)||

[wanton trail]

Trying to avoid as much story spoilers as possible so ty for telling me where not to go

[rose junco]

ah okay

[torn ore]

||Forbidden method. Only for testing purposes. Stopped playing after the first hour. If it makes you feel any better I had the Switch 2 version preordered last month and it's coming tomorrow lmao||

[rose junco]

||but they could have just been wrong lol||

[wanton trail]

Ah

[spice timber]

Z-A SPOILERS ||every song in the game being tailor-made to their characters in an incredible way and then the xy legends use the crusty ass og theme 😭||

[rose junco]

||oh wait right I forgot it used a different theme there too I'm dumb||

[spare hare]

music spoilers, probably huge ||https://vocaroo.com/1loMhPzJvDG9 where does this theme play then? zygarde?||

[torn ore]

Huge spoilers ||Yes it does||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||guessing the Complete fight specifically right||

[torn ore]

ZA Postgame Major Story Spoilers ||Yes it plays during the Complete phase||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||oh phase? so it does all three there?||

[marble sand]

mega spoilers ||love starmie being a starman reference lol no way that pose was a coincidence||

[wanton trail]

New pokemon ||mega starmie is like. Unironically one of my favorite megas atp. It’s such a lazy design, literally just turning it into patrick star with legs, but it’s so… goofy||

[torn ore]

ZA Postgame Major Story Spoilers ||Yes you fight through all forms (Except Mega). It functions like a Rogue Mega fight. Starts with 10%, then becomes 50% after depleting the first health bar, and then finallt Complete. It's Lv 84 iirc and Xerneas is the strat||

Revealed Mega Shiny ||Shiny Mega Dragonite in full||

[spice timber]

new mega ||mega starmie simultaneously looks like an earthbound starman and a guy running around in a shitty starmie costume and it's so good, especially considering the thing is probably going to get huge power in champions||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||damn, and you can't even refight it unlike the actual rogues right (and I don't think you can redo the finale stuff either?)||

[spare hare]

new mega ||staryu line is supposed to have ultraman inspiration so i think the mega is supposed to make it even more in line with this by making it humanoid||

[marble sand]

ah that makes sense lol

[wanton trail]

New mega ||THEY TURNED IT INTO A PHYSICAL ATTACKER?||

||Am. Am i reading this right.||

[wanton trail]

|| https://tenor.com/view/queen-dizzy-guilty-gear-dizzy-guilty-gear-strive-gif-12502540489779852575 ||

[spare hare]

||it's a mixed attacker, presumably 100 atk with pure power and 130 sp atk||

[spice timber]

basically, new mega ||starmie has a random extra +40 stats into its attack in z-a, which is a trait shared by mega mawile and medicham, and it's theorized that they all have that extra attack because z-a's lack of abilities meant that they lost huge power||

[wanton trail]

Oh damn

[spice timber]

new mega ||it also got flip turn and liquidation||

[wanton trail]

New mega ||probably to reference Ultraman more?||

[spare hare]

also ||they even gave meditite and medicham (base) the attack boost||

[wanton trail]

I hate it here

[spare hare]

||even though they can technically have abilities besides pure power||

||yet they still didn't give furfrou a def boost||

they hate this thing

[spice timber]

new mega ||i think they hate pyroar more, it got +20 to all stats and literally nothing else||

[wanton trail]

Wait a moment

pokedex ||am I going crazy or is this pokedex under 300 mons||

[wanton trail]

||also the literal worst mega design yet||

[spare hare]

pokedex count ||pokedex is 232 mons||

[wanton trail]

||they cooked with all the new megas and then pyroar exists||

[wanton trail]

[spare hare]

pokedex ||it's a similar number to pla, which had 242||

||but we do know dlc is coming so the total count will definitely be higher than pla after dlc||

[wanton trail]

Pokedex ||Might be worthwhile to try and complete the pokedex while doing my playthrough. Issue is, I really REALLY want to get the story done so I can avoid as much spoilers as possible||

[wanton trail]

||Tbh the dlc just makes the argument to complete the pokedex stronger… assuming you get shiny charm||

Dlc ||FLYGON MISSED OUT AGAIN||

||THEY HATE THIS THING||

[spare hare]

potential dlc ||flygon fans watching garchomp get a 2nd mega ||

[wanton trail]

||thats what I’m pissed about tbh||

||Two raichus is based as hell but 2 lucarios, 2 garchomps, and absols? That’s really pushing it||

[rose junco]

(shown early game/feature stuff) ||you get Shiny Charm from getting Research Level 50 for Mable btw||

[wanton trail]

||Mega Lucario is already extremely good as is. I can see an argument for Garchomp and Absol but I really just think that tweaking their stats in champions is the way to go||

[wanton trail]

||how long does it take to get to research level 50||

[rose junco]

||I have no idea unfortunately||

[wanton trail]

||well, at least I’ll have stuff to do once the main game is finished||

Pokedex ||yeah looking at this dex I’m lowkey just gonna do what I did for B2 and just use whatever I want. I havent had as much fun as I have had with a pokemon game since b2 and that’s because I just decided to use whatever and now the team of Arcanine/Galvantula/Golurk/Sigilyph/Escavalier/Simipour is my favorite playthrough team||

||I could lowkey see myself using Diggersby||

[spare hare]

oh you know what that just made me realize something so i checked

old mon ||diggersby does not have the attack boost from huge power. maybe bc it's normally an ha instead? crazy tho lol||

[marble sand]

does ||azumarill get it (is it even in the game)||

[spare hare]

||it's not in the game to begin with||

[wanton trail]

||azu is not in the game||

[marble sand]

damn...

[spare hare]

||notably tho, meditite and medicham get the boost even though they can have a non-pure power ability||

||maybe bc pure power is the only normal ability??||

||trying to find logic in this is probably cursed tho bc of the whole furfrou and fur coat thing||

[shell sand]

uhm i think they didnt think or double check it thruogh

:]

[marble sand]

||all that effort why not just give us abilities 😭 wonder why they're so insistent on removing them from these games||

[arctic bobcat]

||They gave back held items right||

[spare hare]

yes

[arctic bobcat]

||or is it just for mega stones||

ah ok

||my only guess is that they consider it harder to accommodate invalid abilities than invalid moves since you can't just forget them||

||so, easier to just ignore them all together||

[spare hare]

TERALEAK, DEV TIMELINE ||also btw, megaturtle is pokemon home. so i assume this timeline just indicates that they're planning on continuing to support home which isn't too surprising||

[shell sand]

oh i was like asking this a bit ago

[spare hare]

Yeah i remember

I was considering pinging you but I figured you would see it anyways

[shell sand]

its true i see all things

👁️

[spare hare]

saw some new mega calcs on smogon ||
252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew on a critical hit: 135-162 (77.1 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 135-159 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
||

||bro doing comparable damage to urshifu while having 120 speed and being able to threaten shit like amoonguss||

crazy

[spice timber]

||that's crazy actually, even if it's ignoring the mixed set starmie is probably gonna like running||

[runic prawn]

[spare hare]

||even neutral nature still hits very hard||

[spice timber]

||starmie being able to spec into either offense as much as it wants while still being able to dent stuff with the other offensive stat is gonna be nutty||

||you don't know what set you're up against until the thing beans you with an attack||

[wanton trail]

||starmie's finally back in OU I suppose||

[spare hare]

just realized (mon availability) ||this is the first game in the entire series where psyduck and magnemite are not available at all||

||of course it's possible that changes with dlc, since swsh also did not have either of them in the base game||

[primal wind]

||I saw a trainer that uses a Mega Clefable, and now I want to know her name once the game comes out||

||Ok, I found out what her name is||

[silver shore]

(pokedex leak) ||Gen 8 beta pokedex||

||Sharing this because fire dog, water prehistoric, and grass rabbit would've been peak instead what we got in gen 8||

[spice timber]

wait, is this real?

it reads like a 4chan leak

because if true

||robbed robbed robbed we were robbed robbed||

[shell sand]

if this is real

then the whole ||armor rumor|| wasnt a gimmick

it was just a bunch of ||mons that represented a bunch of armor 😭 ||

[manic bane]

||wtf robobot deluxe leaked||

[spice timber]

y'know, this does explain (beta gen 8) ||the literal giant feet and claw marks present in the original illustrations of galar's map||

||that were then just demoted to normal area names and basic rocks in the environment||

[shell sand]

i thought the ||giant foot|| was made of ||stone so it was like a megalith||

actually

wait

THIS WHOLE FUCKASS ||PREHISTORY THING?||

THEYRE DOING IT FOR ||LEGENDS GALAR||

oh my god it might be real....

[spice timber]

there's a part in (beta gen 8)'s ||map where there's like, a gigantic cannon shot going through a few mountains and leaving comically round holes in them||

[shell sand]

wait that means like

oh my god

whats the lore on Z-Moves development-wise

[spice timber]

i'd absolutely fucking love that, though i kinda doubt it

[shell sand]

wasnt it planned for Gen 6

[spice timber]

it was a gen 7 thing

[shell sand]

yes but like

development-wise

[spice timber]

old teraleak content ||z-moves were originally jojo stand-like entities that hovered behind your pokemon and let you use special 5th moves||

[cunning tartan]

||botw ||

[shell sand]

Hm

ok

then its just fuckass that ||Gen 6 has Zygarde and then next game has Z-Moves and then Gen 8 has ideas of dinosaurs and then Gen 9 has dinosaurs for some reason||

[spice timber]

there is (future game leak) ||no real way they can take gen 8's lore in the proposition they chose, 1000 years ago is way after the darkest day (and eternatus doesn't awaken again until base swsh) and the dogs/calyrex are already basically fully explained||

[shell sand]

no yeah but theyre going back to that ||megalithic aesthetic||

[spice timber]

||they'd have to make up something new again, like pla's additions to the sinnoh lore||

[spice timber]

future game leak ||those stone pokeballs that function more like ground traps than balls would make sense in an ancient environment||

y'know

all this stuff is from like, 2021/2022

there's a very high chance these things are way different when they happen, even though i'm sure at least (future game) ||gen 10 and legends galar's existences and basic concepts will survive||

[shell sand]

idk as long as the preproduction didn't use up valuable resources the differences shouldnt be too harsh but like

either way ||if Legends Galar goes back to this concept of kings and queens and dinosaurs to represent them|| then they revisited the idea

[spice timber]

ofc

i really wonder about that (future game) ||new galarian slowpoke evo, or g-slowking alt form||

future game ||if we get legends galar, that'll be the thing to look out for to check for cut content||

[cunning tartan]

||8?!?!||

[shell sand]

so like

are these concepts before or after ||PR||

because these are crazy ass concepts that feel like they were made ||for fun||

[spice timber]

to be fair, this happens with every pokemon game, and most games in general

[shell sand]

thats not the point

[spice timber]

they're not gonna be thinking about ||shoving charizard and pikachu into this formula in the design phase||

[shell sand]

like they all have these documents about ||designing for PR instead of for fun|| and them admitting ||they dont have anyone thats good at fun||

like

Whos changing shit then

if the ||director is the guy who comes up with the first idea how come the first ideas never like. Stick||

who is giving feedback or approval or disapproval for these concepts

[spice timber]

i think you're kinda overblowing that line

it's machine translation, so it's probably not 100% accurate

[shell sand]

THEYRE REPLACING ||OHMORI|| LATER IT IS NOT OVERBLOWN

you dont ||replace a guy|| if you dont mean it

like let me ask my original question

[spice timber]

and they probably meant it like, in terms of ||having a strong creative vision||

[shell sand]

Who is giving them feedback like who is telling them these concepts should change

[spice timber]

that's probably exactly what they're referencing there

||ousting a director means that you need to get someone to replace them, and finding someone who can fill that void and actually succeed at the fun visions they bring to the table is absolutely tricky||

if i had to guess, ||the next main director is gonna be the legends arceus one, who isn't ohmori or masuda||

[shell sand]

yeah but if the guy or group giving htem feedback doesnt change then it doesnt matter

[shell sand]

like thats why i ask this

who, and why

[spice timber]

it might be that ||the game freak devs who wrote that memo, the teams and such working in them, aren't confident in their abilities to lead such a massive project at such a breakneck pace||

||thus, they're worrying about them directing the game themselves and potentially fucking up and going off the rails on a concept that just sucks, which is a very real struggle that you need a good leadership mindset to steer clear of||

[rose junco]

(Teraleak stuff, sort of general including old stuff though) ||tbh I really want to see most of the cut ideas that we've seen get used officially or unofficially at some point||

[shell sand]

TRUE!

[shell sand]

like the thing about GameFreak is that they already know theyre making these games at breakneck speeds and yet come up with the most wild concepts that get toned down so hard that the game feels unfinished

[spice timber]

it'd actually be so insane if (future game) ||this stuff gets adapted into legends galar, though i very highly doubt it considering it's content that was cut VERY early||

[shell sand]

so these guys are like. actively trying to make a bigger game knowing they have small time

[spice timber]

i feel like you misunderstand game development

[shell sand]

no i dont.

like look at Sakurai and him seeing Air Ride and just. telling everyone to lock in for 3 months

[spice timber]

the creative phase is the wildest one

[shell sand]

preproduction is not production

and production is the most important part of the product

[shell sand]

you cannot tell me this

[spice timber]

is it a crime to be creative?

[shell sand]

this response is baffling

since XY up to even Now with the ||upcoming Gen 10|| they are going at breakneck speeds with multiple projects

[spice timber]

i feel like there's a mutual misunderstanding going on, because i don't really see what's wrong with sketching out big bombastic ideas for a series like pokemon that has always been built on creativity

[shell sand]

and yet everytime we see concepts we see concepts that are so big in scope that everyone just goes "awh why didnt that end up being in the game"

every time, consistently

[spice timber]

well

there's probably a pretty damn good reason for cut content

[shell sand]

And yet they KNOW they have limited time limited resources the need to be in line with the rest of the TPCi merch and anime and etc

[spice timber]

even without breakneck dev pacing, good ideas aren't immune to being cut just because things don't line up for them

[shell sand]

we have terms in official documents like product synergy

you cannot tell me that "its not a crime to be creative" when you're literally told what's going to happen

its like saying I should plan for a 2 year vacation despite having the budget for 1 month

[spice timber]

this is exactly why they cut the stuff down

take an idea, make it good

and then hone it down

[shell sand]

why dont they make an idea that doesnt require being cut down

like thats the thing there's a creative mismatch

[spice timber]

do you seriously want pokemon games to come out like cod

with like

[shell sand]

Creatively, they want to make big long game

[spice timber]

no creativity or variety

[shell sand]

Reality; they cant

and they don't want to compromise

so we end up with what we get

[spice timber]

they do!!!!!!

they do compromise!!!!!!!

[shell sand]

this compromise is ASS

[spice timber]

do you get mad at a child because the rocket ship they're drawing isn't physically possible

[shell sand]

its clearly not finished its clearly not what they wanted the final product to be and even if it ends up being good in some parts theyre still telling themselves they need new management

Why?

its because it doesnt work.

[shell sand]

THEY ARE NOT CHILDREN HELP

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

[spice timber]

and what's your proposition for them to take up instead?

[shell sand]

To actually make projects that actuall take into account the scope of budget and time they have

be Smart

not Grand

Nintendo is literally the epitome of this

Pokemon is the only guy not following

[spice timber]

do you think that all nintendo games start out knowing exactly how big the scope of their game should be?

[shell sand]

Yes

and if its not in the scope they delay

Pokemon does not do this

you cannot tell me all these other arguments because ive already considered them

delaying for a year is not Nintendo's standard of "restart the entire development because the product sucked"

[spice timber]

i don't want to continue this argument

because this isn't true, and i can't convince you otherwise

[shell sand]

This response is baffling

[spice timber]

if you ever get into creative development, keep track of your creative process over the time you're working on it

and i think you'll see what i mean

[shell sand]

ive literally already made projects before

[spice timber]

i know

[shell sand]

several

i literally work at a company

do not make this about me

[spice timber]

then don't tell me i'm baffling for having this opinion

[agile girder]

At this point they should just allow Champions and Go to introduce new Mega evolutions

[spice timber]

pokemon's greatest strength has been, and will always be, the creativity it takes with its concepts and designs

[shell sand]

This would make Champions more hype than it already is tbh

[spice timber]

snuffing out that creativity like a candle because of the corporate bullshit pokemon is always mired in would take away the one thing pokemon always gets right

[spice timber]

you know, thinking back on this AND I DON'T MEAN TO START THE ARGUMENT AGAIN I'M SORRY

we do see a LOT of shit getting cut from pokemon games early on

and it's usually cut very early on

[shell sand]

I acknowledge these points and my stance does not change

[spice timber]

stuff like (old teraleak) ||southern kalos, or that big dynamax cutscene in swsh||

no, i'm seeing your point

creativity is obviously like, SUPER important

[agile girder]

Plus maybe for an X and Y remake/reimagining, they wouldn’t need to introduce as many new Mega Evolutions since they could bring in the Mega evolutions from ORAS, Legends Z-A, and Champions/Go and could just add new Kalos Pokemon to make up for the lack of Pokemon introduced in Generation 6 outside of the Mega Forms.

[spice timber]

that whole (gen 8 beta) ||dinosaur concept is super cool sounding, and was probably scrapped VERY early on in the concepting phase before it ever touched code||

[shell sand]

ireally wanna play champions but im fearing it requires Home to get mons in

or at least the mons I have, in

[spice timber]

but i do see what you're saying about being smarter when there's very obvious remnants of cut content stuck in the game, or obvious in the betas, because they had to scale everything back and it was too late to rescope around it

[agile girder]

Like they might as well use Dexit as an excuse to introduce more new Pokemon mid generation which they’ve done with Legends Arceus.

[spice timber]

those damn kalos power plants

[shell sand]

i dont remember what new mons they added in Legends Arceus that isnt an evo of an existing guy

there's... Amorus?

[spice timber]

enamorus

[marble sand]

think that's the only one yeah

[spice timber]

and a few hisuian evos

but yeah, nothin else

[shell sand]

i ... acknowledged the hisuian evos already

[spice timber]

i didn't realize you mentioned them, mb

[tepid eagle]

Peak shiny

[rose junco]

final postgame fight stuff
finally got to see this

[spice timber]

Z-A POSTGAME SPOILER ||oh fuck, so it's like legends arceus with the giant ass arena||

[shell sand]

oh he's like ||Alive for 3000 years||

Rip bozo

[rose junco]

||btw no way to refight unfortunately from what I've seen and heard||

[spice remnant]

||They do this a lot actually if you were following the teraleaks
Like Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem are kinda made of a lot of beta Arceus/Creation Trio stuff, Arceus/Creation Trio had some reused ideas fron Gen III||

[shell sand]

Yea yeay yeah see its like

whatever they didnt use they'll just use next time

[spice remnant]

||IIRC Kyurem was also originally a pokemon that monitored the environment and attacked things that threatened it
Which is what Zygarde is (And Kyurem actually still kept that role in Gates to Infinity)||

||Oh yea Kyurem worked by seeing the future to predict threats which it did in GtI||

||Oh yea I was like 'I forgor what part of creation trio/Arceus did I realize was just Kyurem I remembered, its that Dialga/Palkia and sometimes the Lake Gods as well were parts of Arceus's body that split off like Reshiram/Zekrom to Kyurem||

||Like iirc in some of them Dialga and Palkia were the left and right halves of Arceus's body, in some of them they were just the left and right arms, and sometimes Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf were the eyes nose and uhhhh ears? of Arceus
And I think in some of them instead of Arceus it was the dark Giant/Titan that Arceus defeated (And that Giant often was Giratina or had traits that Giratina eventually inherited in the final version instead of being unrelated to the giants in the final lore as far as we know||

[shell sand]

what teh fuck was Masuda hyperfixated on during that time tbh

[spice remnant]

He wanted Pokemon Gen IV overall to be more mature than before when he was making the mythos
And then it didn't really happen with Gen IV past the mythos and instead happened with Gen V

[spare hare]

New spoilery mega ||shiny mega zygarde, this shit looks sick ||

||I kind of want to know what the shiny locks are but also based on the recent games I cant imagine there's not gonna be locks on any of the static encounters||

[rose junco]

||think the white looks too greyish imo||

||either that or more of the green should be darker||

[torn ore]

||The problem is that the naked green parts wasn't changed to minty green||

[torn ore]

Alright so after the leaks, have yall decided on your ZA team?

[proven bay]

||But will it unleash the Move That Kills Sonic and I mean the one that Mephiles uses, that gun looks hella big||

[marble sand]

Prob just gonna feel it out and see who feels cool lol

[runic prawn]

likely yes

[neat needle]

I’ve planned 4, gonna just vibe out the last two

[wanton trail]

LMAO no

[tepid eagle]

All I know is megainum halucha and gallade

[wanton trail]

some teams im thinking of (pokedex spoilers)

what if.

hold on

pokedex ||do we know where to get all the Kalos starters?||

[rose junco]

(Pokemon availability/location) ||Fennekin is from a side mission, idk about the other two (probably similar though)||

[wanton trail]

okay ty

[rose junco]

||okay yeah looking at the text seems the other two are side mission ones as well||

[wanton trail]

||damn||

||do we know which side quests or when said side quests will be available||

[rose junco]

(side missions stuff) ||these are the names of them, ingame Fennekin's is 008 so I assume they can be done pretty early (can do it midgame at the very least)||

[harsh lion]

DLC DATAMINE || https://vxtwitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1978462022367912010 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

Similar to SWSH and SV, returning content for DLC has been scrubbed from the game text... again.

They at least tried to hide it by hashing the contents, but it was trivial to figure out.

Attached are all returning Pokémon & forms [1], as well as Pokémon receiving new forms [2]. https://t.co/FmYTBSzml5

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 15, 2025, 2:04 PM

DLC DATAMINE^

??????

DLC Datamine ||wtf do you mean they're bringing ~130 pokémon and forms back to ZA with the DLC||

[wanton trail]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

DLC LEAKS ||THEY'RE GIVING ABSOL LUCARIO AND GARCHOMP MORE FORMS I HATE IT HERE||

[harsh lion]

I didn't even mean to see these matt was just at the top of my tl LOL

DLC DATAMINE || https://x.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1978462024808989024 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

There have been reports going around that claim this is an incomplete list, but I can assure you that this list is fully complete (and accurate), and there's signs of even more data that's been scrubbed that has not been reported yet.

Stay tuned for more findings!

X · Oct 15, 2025, 2:04 PM

DLC datamine

[wanton trail]

dlc leaks ||Okay maybe I'm overreacting, but I really did not want more megas for pokemon who already had megas. I'd probably replace absol with cacturne, lucario with gliscor and garchomp with emolga||

[harsh lion]

Z-A items datamine ||Dont do it dont give me hope||

[rose junco]

(DLC) ||and there's the Hoenn starters (and legendaries) lol||

[wanton trail]

side note (dlc) ||all of the megas I made up for my fakemon region are becoming real

Darkrai, Zeraora, Dragonite, Excadrill, Clefable, Kalos Starters, Chandelure, Frosslass etc||

[harsh lion]

Z-A datamine ||There are no new Abilities in the game's code (the list ends at 310, with Poison Puppeteer) though this is subject to change since there's no new ability data for the new megas||

[wanton trail]

DLC ||scovillain and chimecho getting megas is hype tbh||

[harsh lion]

ZA Datamine here || https://x.com/Kaphotics/status/1978455697416241156 ||

Kurt (@Kaphotics)

Legends: Z-A Datamine - Personal Stats, Learnsets:
https://t.co/MnAHeZIDyR

X · Oct 15, 2025, 1:39 PM

[wanton trail]

dlc ||I did not expect us to get gen 9 megas so early||

||does this explain why scovillain and glimmora felt so unfinished?||

[harsh lion]

DLC DATAMINE

||imagine how i feel ☠️ ||

ZA DLC datamine ||that sure is a $30 price tag huh||

ZA DLC datamine ||hoenn pokemon will be allowed to exist without mega evolutions , but only after February 26 2025||

[torn ore]

DLC Datamine ||YOU MAKE TOXTRICITY, KLEAVOR, AND CERULEDGE RETURNING MONS BUT NOT GIVE THEM MEGAS??????||

[harsh lion]

^ ||fuck that shit we WILL be hopping on the mega chimecho hype train||

||ok i will admit i asked last week if we think Kleavor will be in the game bc Scizor and regional forms are and now that we see Kleavor back and it doesnt have a mega its just a little silly sjdks||

[torn ore]

DLC Datamine ||Well at least a get a new Mega Garchomp, Darkrai, and Golisopod. But I was this close to success||

DLC DATAMINE, MAJOR SPOILERS ||NEW ROGUE BOSSES||

[wanton trail]

dlc datamine||/fakemon in my fan region I give ceruledge a mega but armarouge a gigantamax form :)||

[rose junco]

(DLC) ||even weirder since Ceruledge is important Pokemon in Horizons (Kleavor too, but understandable enough to not give it new form)||

[torn ore]

(DLC) ||And they gave Liko a Charcadet, who might become an Armarouge. Which I would've thought might've been her possible Mega candidate||

[harsh lion]

dlc datamine ||staraptor, tatsugiri, meowstic, Heatran-- well that escalated quickly||

[torn ore]

DLC Spoiler Meme ||My team fighting against Rogue Mega Rayquaza as it uses Dragon Ascent||

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[harsh lion]

dlc datamine ||no rogue baxcalibur is funny||

[harsh lion]

DLC DATAMINE ||there are so many regional forms here it's crazy. when you walk into Hoopa's Ring but it's Galar. "no it's fine i just wasn't expecting it to be galarian"||

[torn ore]

DLC Datamine ||Okay they even brought back the Primals. I wish they did one extra step to also bring back Ultra Necrozma since its Mega Adjacent||

[spice timber]

tf?????

dlc datamines already?????

[harsh lion]

it wasn't scrubbed from the base game's code

soon as it released matt kurt and anubis at least got to work

and stuff like trainer teams and shiny odds for base game are in the works rn