Leaks for Pokémon

[ionic vortex]

Still, Time-Wise Black & White 2 Could Have Easily Been 3DS Releases

And A Majority Of The Gen 5 Spinoffs Are On The 3DS

[grizzled turret]

I do wanna know if BW2 would have sold more as 3DS games

[ionic vortex]

I Somewhat Doubt It

[grizzled turret]

I wonder how ppl would have reacted to the 3DS launch if it had a pokemon game

Albeit a sprite one

[ionic vortex]

Just Because Of The Graphics

Like It Wouldn't Be Nearly As Impressive

[echo bone]

Someone isn't coming back if warped into another time period 😭

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/submas-ingo-emmet-ingo-and-emmet-pokemon-gif-25616300

[shell sand]

i mean its basically 2011 according to the dev files

its honestly why i have this view of games where you should be able to enjoy a game for a year at Least if you buy it

like they made this in 3-4 years at least enjoy it for 1

[echo bone]

Doubt so

Iirc game freak staff said they made them DS games since the DS console had a far larger install base, and that the 3ds hadn't sold as nany units as expected

[grizzled turret]

I can’t believe Ingo is actually Ians (Ingo After Not Surviving)

[ionic vortex]

Imagine A Full 3D Unova

(NOT IN THE BDSP STYLE)

[shell sand]

do you think theres a papyrus version of emmet

or ingo

or whoever

[ionic vortex]

Ians?

Like Ian?

Like Ian BGM?

[grizzled turret]

leave him out of this.

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/big-man-splatoon-splatoon-3-manta-ray-rap-gif-1904346184650301619

[echo bone]

Good reasoning
A huge reason why i don't like it when thebgames i purchase um...aee o over by the weekend! (forgotten land)

But yes it is crazy realizing most games that came in a year have you playing content that was developed in the year prior or the like

I think i feel this more with movies
Like toy story is a 1995 film but like, how many of the frames date from 93 or 94

[shell sand]

i think that can apply to any single piece of media

you watch an episode of a show its done in 20-30

but it took like 6-12 months

thats just how media is

[grizzled turret]

I enjoy it when you can physically hear the actors age over a show

[echo bone]

This is why weekly releases >>>>> episodes released in bulks

This is me being salty over part 6 of jojo

[stoic kindle]

Looking at you jjba part 6 netflix

[grizzled turret]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[echo bone]

You have to watch 13 episodes on a binge if you wanna come back online and talk to other fans!

And that's like 4+hours!

And the finale is already out by the time it's out!

[grizzled turret]

Steven Universe content schedule deadass taught me patience

No lie

[ionic vortex]

Watching Through Part 6 Right Now And I Feel You So Bad

I HATE JOINING FANDOMS LATE AND HAVING TO CATCH UP BEFORE I CAN INTERACT

[surreal vault]

And if you mistep once, spoilers

[ionic vortex]

EVEN WORSE SINCE I KEEP WANTING TO SEARCH UP FUNNY STUFF

[echo bone]

Mfw i see thumbnails of the final fights

[stoic kindle]

Ah yes
Surroned by ttg when you get
One new Steven universe episode

The funniest shit

[grizzled turret]

Weekly releases are special because there’s like a 100% chance almost everyone reacts to a massive reveal at the same time

[echo bone]

At least it's easier now than when it premiered
You couldn't google it without youtube recommending clips of the final fight

[ionic vortex]

Man That'd Look Pretty...

[grizzled turret]

I remember when Smokey Quartz was revealed and everyone went wild over it all at once

[grizzled turret]

I was still the slop consumes though

[ionic vortex]

Doesn't Help When A Certain Unrelated Subreddit You Like Won't Shut The Fuck About It Specifically

[ionic vortex]

Honestly I Feel Like X & Y Were Actually Quite Good-Looking Games

They Just Have That Charm To Them

I Gotta Get Around To Replaying Y Sometime

But Im Waiting For Z-A To Get A Release Date

Got Big Plans For The Game

[grizzled turret]

XY being the best looking pokemon games despite being a decade old is uhh

…yeah….

[stoic kindle]

Oh man watch out
Gen 7 fans might murder you for that take

[echo bone]

I agree, i always thought the world artstyle was pretty nice

[ionic vortex]

To Be Fair I Didn't Play Sun & Moon Much So I Can't Say

But I Do Like Alola's Environments

[echo bone]

I still feel its routes haven't been surpassed even with 3 gens released afterwards

[ionic vortex]

No Longer Being Locked To A Grid Does Wonders

[surreal vault]

What comes out first, the release date or the ROM 🗣️

[grizzled turret]

Okay admittedly USUM are in close competition

[shell sand]

XY is good but what kills it is both the story and difficulty

the story isnt even like nonsensical

its just that everyone's reaction is

[grizzled turret]

Despite being a tropical island it’s crazy how soulless base SM look

[ionic vortex]

Oh And The MUSIC

[shell sand]

"just kidding"

until specifically they talk about genocide

after that its EXTREMELY serious and emotional

[shell sand]

sorry get off my goat

[ionic vortex]

I Think I'm Falling In Love With Kalos All Over Again...

Z-A Better Do The Region Justice I Swear

[shell sand]

i live in a damn tropical island how would you know

smh smh

also XY's difficulty is so

why is most of the gym leaders 4 mons

[grizzled turret]

I said so

[spice remnant]

Kalos is as good as Gen IV except maybe slightly better except that's not a good thing when it comes 7 years later
Every part of it feels like 'this is good but it feels just the tiny bit sanitized'

[echo bone]

Yeah the story is very poorly written, i like every concept but none of them ended up good

Like i love the friend dynamic but they rarely get much to do
I like the team flare grunts but the admins are so boring
I love the idea of a giant man with white hair walking around reeking but he's just a very basic postcredits fight without much buildup

But i do find the game pretty

[echo bone]

You mean three

[ionic vortex]

I Feel Like A Big Issue With How The Switch Games Look Is That They Try To Be Realistic, But They Just Fail Because Gamefreak Doesn't Have The Patience To Actually Make Them Look Good

[echo bone]

It's the elite fours who have 4 mons 😭

[spice remnant]

Kalos's quality is like
Par for the course when it comes to first Pokemon on a new system

[ionic vortex]

Like Scarlet & Violet Are A Good Example

[grizzled turret]

I hope AZ is in ZA and he is renamed to ZA and is wearing a silly mustache and glasses and nobody knows it’s him

[surreal vault]

Elite FOUR....elite FOUR POKEMON

[stoic kindle]

Taking the 4 part of their name literally

[ionic vortex]

The Pokémon And Character Models Themselves Look Amazing, But Man The Environments...

[shell sand]

why is gen 2 and 3 the only games on their first console that felt good 😔

[echo bone]

I do wonder is ZA gonna be present day or in ze past

[grizzled turret]

Platinum glazers deadass need to move on

Give it up… it’s mid…

[echo bone]

Buddy gold silver forgot to make the ice path be blue

[ionic vortex]

I Hope Post X & Y

[spice remnant]

Because the Game Boy Color as its 'own system' is a fantasy born out of Pokemon generations and its more like a new 3DS

[shell sand]

yes AND?

[shell sand]

so youre saying gen 3 is a miracle

[echo bone]

It still needed crystal to have a decent pool of mons !!!!

[grizzled turret]

Crazy how being in color was a selling point for a system at one point

[spice remnant]

I honestly don't see what's so special about Gen III but sure ig

[stoic kindle]

Indeed
Gen 3 is peak

[grizzled turret]

Can’t believe they also did stuff like remove Mareep who was that benefiting

[echo bone]

Who cares about mareep!!i can use gastly super early onn!!!!

They also relocated sneasel in the ice path

And like even crystal failed to address the super easy boss fights so i wouldn't call gold silver Good from the getgo

[tropic pollen]

Crystal not having wild mareep is still crazy to me

[ionic vortex]

I Think My First Memory Of Mareep Was That Brick Bronze Event

[echo bone]

Gens 3 and 5 and 7 are the only gens that were good from the getgo

[stoic kindle]

Bit of a pattern there

[echo bone]

I can't call gen 2 good from the getgo when bugsy wastes two slots on a metapod and a kakuna 😭

[grizzled turret]

it’s so weird like imagine if emerald just took away like breloom or something

[spice remnant]

...I feel like there are definitely some wild pokemon you can only get in R or S that you can't get in E?

[tropic pollen]

imagine if platinum was like "ok no Shinx for u"

[echo bone]

It said that for stunky and glameow lol

[grizzled turret]

Maybe if there was no shinx sinnohbros would try to actually team build

[echo bone]

Medicham line

[grizzled turret]

Both of those evolution lines are kinda goated too

I would kill to use Purugly in platinum but alas….

[echo bone]

Gold silver also didn't have the Legendary Beasts music did you Know that

[ionic vortex]

https://youtu.be/qm61xZbSolg?si=hQcl8-Z472-O4xXs I Am Gonna Sob My Eyes Out Dude

I LOVE KALOS CHARLIE

I LOVE KALOOOOOS

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-screaming-smiling-friends-i-would-really-not-be-smiling-friends-i-love-gif-25756468

[grizzled turret]

Gold Silver didn’t have finalized legendary designs in general I swear they drew their sprites like 10 minutes before shipping

[tropic pollen]

I LOVE KALOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[velvet bobcat]

Kalos absolutely succeeds on looking beautiful

[echo bone]

Gold Silver also lacked Estrogen

[ionic vortex]

OH AND WEIRD VIDEO EDITING THING THEY HAD WHICH IS NEVER RELEVANT TO THE PLOT OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER

I LOVE IT WHEN THE GAMES HAVE NON-BATTLE SIDE CONTENT

[grizzled turret]

When will Pokémon games let us trans are gender? That’s the real question

[spice remnant]

Me looking at the Azurill line in old games

[velvet bobcat]

Did the video editing have any purpose in anything

Like even in online

[ionic vortex]

NO BUT IT WAS COOL

[spice remnant]

No the same way like 50 other features across the series don't have a purpose

[velvet bobcat]

Weren't they made to be like introduction videos to the players
Cuz I don't remember seeing any of them online ever

[ionic vortex]

OHHHHHHH

THE AMIE MINIGAMES

I SUCKED AT THEM BUT THEY WERE STILL FUN

[echo bone]

You could see them in the profiles iirc

[shell sand]

iirc they were online its not something you actually see passively

[ionic vortex]

I HATE THAT EVERY GAME SINCE X & Y HAS JUST HAD A WORSE AND WORSE VERSION OF AMIE

[velvet bobcat]

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WOOL ONE WORKS

[spice remnant]

They're basically like Gen VI's version of Gen IX's trainer cards

[shell sand]

idk

amie's minigames are whatever

[ionic vortex]

I THINK IT'S TIMING

[grizzled turret]

I was addicted to those Amie games now that I remember wtf

[arctic bobcat]

why is there so much caps lock

[echo bone]

I loved the pokemon amie i ciuld finally pet my pokemon

[velvet bobcat]

HOW DO YOU HIT THE BIG WOOL
NEVER IN MY LIFE I EVER MANAGED TO DO IT

I LOVE CAPS LOCK

[ionic vortex]

BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE KALOS

[velvet bobcat]

IM DIRECTLY SHOUTING INTO YOUR EARS

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/kalos-pill-kalos-firing-the-kalos-pill-pokemon-pill-gif-26981299

[spice remnant]

Were y'all like 6 when Kalos came out what are these vibes

[velvet bobcat]

Yes

[ionic vortex]

Idunno

[echo bone]

I FUCKING LOOOOOVE THE POKEMON AMIE

[velvet bobcat]

I was uhhh
8

[echo bone]

I was 13 but the 3ds was my first proper console so i might as well have been 6

[spice remnant]

Zamn

[ionic vortex]

I'm 16 Now, And While I Don't Think I Got It At Launch, I Definitely Got It Before Sun & Moon Came Out

So Uhhhhhhhh

[velvet bobcat]

I got mine at launch alongside a 3ds

And triple deluxe later

[spice remnant]

The PR video themes were such brainrot for me

[rose junco]

X was also the first main series game I beat well one of the only 2 main series games I beat but you know

[grizzled turret]

In 2013 I was 7 so

[shell sand]

ive had more fun in super trianing than i did in Amie

[grizzled turret]

Kinda yeah

[velvet bobcat]

I remember grinding the hell out le battle maison for hours

[grizzled turret]

Laugh at this old asf user

[spice remnant]

https://youtu.be/B5Hj283c3Fk?si=wZxbS8F4ghsGG5S5
This shit is peak

[grizzled turret]

Can we power scale the ultimate weapon to the ark laser

[velvet bobcat]

Super training music is still one of the best gen 6 tracks to me

[spice remnant]

https://youtu.be/smFbuUrVMOU?si=aCEXON7BOo4jGFm6
THIS ONE 😭

[echo bone]

I loved using the amie to hold the food over my pokemon and have them try to snatch it with their hand

Shit's adorable

[spice remnant]

https://youtu.be/PglI8MY8ijM?si=hEI0My5M7YqJBDIo
And this one
I remember there being 3 I really liked so I think that's it

[ionic vortex]

HOW HAVE I GONE THIS LONG WITHOUT MENTIONING THE SUPER TRAINING

[echo bone]

Unovros when i show them i can actually pet my mons when using 3d models (they're stuck with static gifs)

[ionic vortex]

When I Was Young And Stupid I Didn't Really Understand How It Worked

[velvet bobcat]

I REMEMBER
I had the pokebank celebi and I remember so vividly when I found out celebi had this specific high five interaction if you hold the stylus and that's why it's my favourite Pokémon ever

[spice remnant]

https://youtu.be/MhTDpwlMW5s?si=y0NkyWPg0MMS4Nh0
Wait no I remember also kind of liking this one

[velvet bobcat]

The lack of Amie in the recent games hurts me so much

[ionic vortex]

So I Kept Trying To Feed My Full Pokémon

That Or I'd Just Drop The Puff On The Ground

[ionic vortex]

Exactly

[velvet bobcat]

They'd get so pissed lmao

[ionic vortex]

I Don't Care If They Brought Back The Cooking Minigames, Camping And ESPECIALLY Picnics Suck Ass

[spice remnant]

I wish I still had my music collection but I lost it like a year ago

[velvet bobcat]

Washing in scarlet violet is so ass

Legit I think my number 1 most wanted thing in Pokémon is Amie to be back

[ionic vortex]

While I'm Glad They've Been Taking Strides To Make Battling More Accessible, I Despise How Little Side Content We've Been Getting

[velvet bobcat]

Legends ZA don't fail me please

[echo bone]

I love the tile puzzle https://youtu.be/WzYmmDqNaKk?si=MKEbGsJo-phUZTzK

[ionic vortex]

Ogre Oustin' And Olive Rolling Are Not Acceptable Substitutes

[echo bone]

It sounds like bw music

[ionic vortex]

Bring Back Contests In An Actual New Game I'm Begging You

[ionic vortex]

That Would Make Sense

[velvet bobcat]

Tile puzzle was my most played minigame

I love seeing all the three Pokémon together

[ionic vortex]

How Can I Forget

It Also Introduced Me To My Favourite Pokémon Ever

https://tenor.com/view/scolipede-my-beloved-scolipede-borse-borse-my-beloved-beloved-scolipede-gif-27615976

Imagine What My Favourite Would Be If I Hadn't Encountered That Venipede On Route 6...

[velvet bobcat]

The route to the palace was so cool

[echo bone]

Fr i loved that route

[spice remnant]

In terms of liking the regions in terms of like nostalgia/feeling rather than actually 'do I think these games were good' it'd probably be like HGSS Johto > ORAS Hoenn > Sinnoh > Kalos > Alola > Kanto > RSE Hoenn > Paldea > Galar

[echo bone]

I sitll stand kalos has the prettiest and most lived in routes in the 3d games

[velvet bobcat]

True...

[ionic vortex]

And We Can't Forget About Lumiose

[spice remnant]

Wait I fucking forgot about unova lmfao

[echo bone]

Uhm u forgot about hisui too?

Smh

[spice remnant]

UHhhhhhhhh HGSS Johto > ORAS Hoenn > Sinnoh > Kalos > Alola > Unova > Kanto > RSE Hoenn > Paldea > Galar

[echo bone]

Where is Orre

[spice remnant]

I thought about Hisui and didn't feel motivated enough to list it

[velvet bobcat]

Lumiouse is rlly I'm glad ZA exists

[echo bone]

Where is BDSP sinnoh

[spice remnant]

What is BDSP sinnoh

[echo bone]

A dev team of incompetent monkeys who can't think on how to spice up a region!

Everybody apologize to Mallville now

[ionic vortex]

You Sounded Like Castlevania Dracula

[spice remnant]

But yea BDSP sinnoh being like exactly DP Sinnoh but in 3D is like
Ok yea its like the same thing ig
With a bit of 'ooh the water looks really nice'

[marble sand]

I was thinking frieza lol

[spice remnant]

Doesn't really stand separately enough in my mind

[echo bone]

I was going for part one Dio

[ionic vortex]

Vampire, Close Enough

Also BDSP Sinnoh (And By Extension The Game As A Whole) Just Look Ugly...

[echo bone]

So real

[spice remnant]

Actually I wonder if I'm more nostalgic for Kanto than Unova

[echo bone]

Gosh I'm glad it's not ILCA making M&L Brothership I feel good insulting them now that i know they're not having any redemption lol

Seriously who gets handed the keys to remake a Pokemon game and just runs the graphics though chatgpt and just give us That

[ionic vortex]

And Doesn't Even Include Any Crossgen OR Platinum Content

[spice remnant]

I mean if we

're being serious about it

[ionic vortex]

Where The Fuck Is Sylveon

How Do You Fall Off This Hard From ORAS

[spice remnant]

BDSP really feels like a 'TPC wanted a 1:1 remake for some fucking reason" rather than ILCA being the ones that wanted it that way
But who knows who really decided it should be that way in the end ig

[ionic vortex]

BDSP Is The Megamind Vs. The Doom Syndicate Of Pokémon

There I Said It

[echo bone]

TRUE

[ionic vortex]

Something Fans Have Been Clammoring For For DECADES, Only For It To Finally Happen And It's Dookie

[echo bone]

But ILCA is still the ones responsible for making the game ugly to begin with so uhmm

[ionic vortex]

Yeah I Hate The Chibi Stuff Too

[echo bone]

Cyrus Render that i dunk on all the time

[ionic vortex]

The Thing With The Sprites Is That You Understand That These Are Just Representations

[marble sand]

It's kinda funny because I think the whole view of the sinnoh revisited games would be way more positive if bdsp just didn't exist. Like PLA is obviously the actual Sinnoh Game and then they slapped bdsp in there. But giving us more was not better here lol. I think people would have willingly accepted pla as a pseudo sinnoh remake and be largely content with it

[spice remnant]

I mean you need to cope about the chibi stuff they can't exactly remake a pre-Gen VII game without chibi without basically reimagining the games from the ground up

BDSP being ugly as fuck and having chibis are two separate issues

[ionic vortex]

ORAS

[arctic bobcat]

i think it would be better if they just added platinum content instead of pretending it never existed

[spice remnant]

Bro Gen VI is chibi

[ionic vortex]

Just Use X & Y Style Models

[arctic bobcat]

like what there's only rematches and uhh clothes?

[ionic vortex]

Not These Ultra Short Ones

I Can't Take These Seriously

[marble sand]

I just wish the chibi looked nicer... I kinda like how it looks in link's awakening lol. Perhaps super mario rpg as well
It might be the eyes that do it for me. Really don't like the eyes

[shell sand]

i think doing it the chibi style is also hella cheap way to do it

[ionic vortex]

My Point Is They Did The Chibi Right

[shell sand]

i dont think they gave them any budget

or time

[echo bone]

Buddy those aren't chibis they're geodudes

[arctic bobcat]

but like how do you remake these games and then completely omit looker and charon from them like are you stupid

[shell sand]

the thng im getting at is youd have to actually think about limb placements in a SM/SwSh styled game

[spice remnant]

My baby my beloved

[shell sand]

you dont really need to for BDSP's style

even XY/ORAS had actual arms

meanwhile BDSP kind of has stumps

you dont need to animate stumps you just need to make sure it doesnt break the model

[ionic vortex]

Now THIS Is Something I Can Take Seriously

THIS Is Something I Can Imagine In World-Ending Scenarios

[marble sand]

Oras genuinely improved the villains so much to me

I love Courtney

[spice remnant]

I feel like BDSP is like a clear example of "I can tell I hate this game but I can't tell why"
Kirby Star Allies is another example

[ionic vortex]

Nah I Fw Star Allies

[shell sand]

https://www.serebii.net/brilliantdiamondshiningpearl/customisation/male/everydaystyle-chibi.jpg

its like

theres no elbows

and if there are its really awkward to bend them

[spice remnant]

Like you cannot tell me everyone who claims to hate BDSP chibis b/c chibis cannot ever be good actually all hate Link's Awakening/Echoes of Wisdom

[echo bone]

That's me actually

:3 i dislike the link awakening style

[shell sand]

cool

echoes of wisdom really reminds me of the GB games in such a good way

[marble sand]

I'm curious what your thoughts are on the art style for smrpg remake

[arctic bobcat]

i think tbh the fact that battles and overworld are more clearly seperated in artstyle and causing such a big rift in presentation are probably a better reason to dislike chibis

[spice remnant]

Gen VI chibi vs BDSP chibi fr fr

[echo bone]

Very good since the bigger worry was making everyone look homogenous to modern Mario but they made them the goblins from the snes game models

So it's all good

[marble sand]

Understandable

[echo bone]

Original smrpg was already proud of looking like a strange game so remake made sure not to lose that

Meanwhile diamond and pearl clearly had the sprites be workarounds to make the character designs and the remake for some reason didn't feel like making those geodude sprites grow

Imagine if chibi cyrus was the one in rainbow rocket

[shell sand]

somnething that really annoys me is BDSP not being consistent

[echo bone]

Or in the anime

[shell sand]

it uses nonchibi models for mons even when on the overworld

like thats the thing

Pokemon made sense chibi in sprites because the battles are where the "full sprites" are and it worked the same for XY/ORAS

and then BDSP kind of makes no effort to make that transition work?

even XY/ORAS had lowpoly chibi models of mons in the overworld

BDSP just throws the battle models

and they dont even bother animating some of them to walk

[spice remnant]

True
Having Pokemon follow you on the overworld was just a whack ass decision when you get tiny noodle rayquaza beside your chibi player

[shell sand]

they assume that "oh how HGSS did it makes sense" so ekans is just

constantly sliding

why is Ekans sliding while curled up

Hello?

what they thought was endearing is just a limitation and they dont accentuate the limitation by recreating Why that limitation happens

they dont even make Ekans hop up and down like in HGSS

they just.

slide

[ionic vortex]

Honestly I Feel Like The Pokémon Walking Just Inherently Does Not Work In BDSP

Like There's No Way To Fix It

Idunno

[shell sand]

there is, you have to make chibi models of all the mons

like how HGSS had to sprite all of the mons as overworld sprites

they dont have that time and they never will

[marble sand]

Mars's artwork specifically will always be the funniest fucking thing to me

[shell sand]

i hate the "renders' from this game

[ionic vortex]

Another Thing

[shell sand]

its not even representative of how it looks in the game

[ionic vortex]

The Lighting

I HATE The Lighting

[shell sand]

what dont you like extremely soft gradients that look like ken sugimori's artwork? 🥺

[ionic vortex]

In The Games

[shell sand]

yes

thats how it looks

i honestly think they focus too much on making the games look like ken sugimori's artwork

[marble sand]

I'm not sure if her eyes are better or worse here

[rose junco]

tbh I'm mostly fine with how BDSP looks, the things that mostly get me with it are dumbing down certain things and not adding much new to make up for it
(oh and the update stuff was wack)

[ionic vortex]

You Can't Even Glitch To Darkrai Anymore

Unplayable

[shell sand]

you probably can

[echo bone]

There aren't enough insults i could toss at bdsp's lack of effort

[ionic vortex]

You Can Glitch To The Island, But It'll Be Missing For Some Reason

[echo bone]

If i were a teachee I'd hand BDSP one grade under passing

[shell sand]

I see

[ionic vortex]

That's Also Why I'll Never Buy It

[spice remnant]

The thing about BDSP overworld that gets to me is just like
They clearly can make beautiful shit considering the battle scenes
So like I'll never assume ILCA just sucks over it just being the fault of TPC wanting a 1:1 remake or some stupid shit

[shell sand]

yeah like

[ionic vortex]

I Can't Get All Three Of The Shiny Mythicals Because I Missed Some FOMO Event Items

[shell sand]

they were clearly GUNNING for the modern style of actually not being chibi

but they were told to

for some damn reason

[shell sand]

i havent bought a pokemon game since switch era

[echo bone]

I think they should have relented and ignored the guidelines

[ionic vortex]

Can't Hack The Items In Either Since The Events Activating Is Actually Based On A Flag Being Triggered And Not Just Having The Items Themselves

I WANT MY PURPLE DARKRAI

https://tenor.com/view/roger-rabbit-crying-whining-drama-no-gif-7966782

[spice remnant]

LGPE are underrated imo

They're no HGSS ORAS but they're definitely better than FRLG

[echo bone]

LGPE looks cool it has best girl Leaf/Green in it

[shell sand]

i considered it as a thing to share with my nephew but my nephew doesnt know enough words to play an RPG

[ionic vortex]

LGPE If It Featured The Kanto Content From GSC/HGSS And FRLG, As Well As Crossgens (And Didn't Have That Dumbass Catching Mechanic):

Also More Starters Fuck It

[shell sand]

but like

Yeah

LGPE was right there

see thats what makes me think they were told to do Chibi for some damn reason in BDSP

[ionic vortex]

Let's Go Poliwhirl, Psyduck, Meowth, Clefairy, Mankey And Jigglypuff When

[shell sand]

they could and can use the design style of LGPE

for the overworld

and go back to the "main style" in battles

and it would not look bad

but for some reason they were told No!

[spice remnant]

Its weird that LGPE didn't include evolutions of Gen I Pokemon but did include Mega Evos
I guess keeping that 151 count was their priority And also Meltan and Melmetal

[shell sand]

Make it Chibi!

[marble sand]

Why is lgpe the only game so far to let us ride on the pokemon we catch

[shell sand]

151 mons

[marble sand]

This is true.

[shell sand]

they straight up have no time

[marble sand]

But umm they should do it for all 1025 or whatever because I said so...

[shell sand]

like thats why SV's "thing" is to "sync your mind with your mons" in the DLC

because they want you to achieve moving around with a mon

but couldnt damn animate it LOL

[spice remnant]

Erm you can surf on your own Sharpedo and Kyogre in ORAS

[echo bone]

I like LGPE giving a habitat to every single mon in the region

As someone who gets so bored playing FRLG with their tiny wild encounters i really like the set of mons they gave to each route in LGPE Kanto

Like wild Porygon near Cerulean? I'm in

Like i don't even really play pokemon anymore nowadays, I'm just into the world building nowadays

And LGPE gives me a lot to like in that regard

Especially the new gym and elite four teams

[shell sand]

im still a JRPG fan so im hurting

[echo bone]

Love that misty got a goldeen and psyduck now because of anime and the rematches in elite four using alolan forms

[shell sand]

at least i still have the old games

[echo bone]

I love that LGPE respected the teams of the og elites too when they were feeling out slots with type coded mons

Like keeping agatha's spooky arbok and golbat or bruno's onix

Also has mega evolution which was a nice sendoff to it

It's like, technically a very unnecessary remake but I consider it more a cool spinoff/love letter to the region

[shell sand]

i mean the annoying part is just that it was given more love than the remake everyone actually wanted

like no one is out there making redseigns of gen 5 characters for a hopeful remake anymore

[ionic vortex]

It Really Just Exists To Get More GO Fans Into The Main Series

[shell sand]

i think it failed

[echo bone]

Yeah but that's like saying some kid failing a grade is the fault of the one student who felt like showing off

[shell sand]

i think its really funny i know a bunch of teens who play Pokemon Unite more than main games

[echo bone]

Bdsp failed on its own

[shell sand]

no it didnt

it was the company's decision to all whatever it did

yes ILCA wasn;t prepared and should take less of the blame but like

[echo bone]

I mean in relation to the other remake lol

[shell sand]

thats still the TPCi's decision to tell ILCA how they wanted it

like they gave freedom to LGPE's devs and then none to ILCA

[echo bone]

It's no use being annoyed at the other project that was already completed by the time they began bdsp

[shell sand]

thats not really my point

im annoyed at the company for their treatment of similar projects

[echo bone]

I mean I feel the real culprit is game freak losing interest in a sinnoh remake and tpc scrambling whoever or whatever to deal the game fans were expecting

[shell sand]

then they really shouldve just given the extra man power to legends arceus 😭

[echo bone]

Like game freak fucked off and went to work on something else (legends arceus) which like

Cool but now we get two games that look ugly as sin

[shell sand]

theyre so worried about their damn quotas each year its annoying

[echo bone]

Though anyways I'll still give ILCA part of the blame because i doubt it was in their contract to make such ass looking renders

Like no redesigns? Sure I understand their hands were tied
But basic ass college project shaders? Dreadful

[rose junco]

actually do we even know if they made the outside-the-game renders?

looks like credits imply it was TPC

[shell sand]

everything i learn from here is a curse and an inspiration

[echo bone]

I mean they look the same style as the HOME renders and we know ILCA worked on that

I'd rather call it their mark of "quality" than blaming it on TPC

[rose junco]

ah true (for mobile version)
do we have specific credits for Home at all though

[rough kelp]

speaking of gamefreak

i wonder if we get anything out of that "bloom" thing

[spare hare]

some scrapped move

[rose junco]

which game, guessing XY?

[north fjord]

Very situational

[spare hare]

was in bw

[rose junco]

ah

[spare hare]

they had ||soak this gen too which is another type changing move||

although much broader usage than this yeah

[north fjord]

I can’t think of a good situation in which you would use this

[rose junco]

||oh idk why I thought Soak was gen 6||

[north fjord]

Especially against an opponent

||Assuming that it would be used by Fire types, so why would you remove the opponent’s fire weakness?||

[spare hare]

seems like it'd be more useful in doubles

[north fjord]

Even then

[spare hare]

lol it is very situational for sure

||turn some fucked up shitty ice type into a water type ig||

[north fjord]

||Just use Soak then||

[spare hare]

||i guess this is true but this would be a matter of distribution||

||imagine there would be very little overlap in what gets melt vs soak||

but yeah that's probably why they scrapped it

[north fjord]

||They should have a Pokémon whose gimmick is they can melt though||

||Be able to shift between the states of matter maybe||

[spare hare]

||castform if it was good||

[echo bone]

oh this would have been so cool

wish it damaged tho

[echo bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-hades-olympus-titans-that-gif-26641093

[spice timber]

wait but this is amazing?

[echo bone]

||taking thw weakness out would suck but making the foe no longer get any STAB from their own type sounds like a reasonable enough compromise to me||

||steel loses all their tanky resistances too||

||though if used in a dewgong or cloyster you're fucked||

[runic prawn]

||this is extremely situational but is such a cool concept||

[marble sand]

||yknow what if we do end up getting a move like "boil" that's like fire type freeze dry lol||

[rough kelp]

finally, casette beasts

[rough kelp]

this move should turn chandelure line into poison/ghost (finally, true gengar counterpart)

[surreal vault]

||That would be stupidly broken||

||Give it to like 3 pokemon and they're all weak asf||

[marble sand]

||Magcargo, your time is here.... (But you know it's being given to like Volcanion lmao)||

[shell sand]

melt sounds like a godsend to all ice types

especially if you can use it on yourself

[echo bone]

this is on the opponent's

[north fjord]

||Even if it was something you can use yourself… why not just use a good water type instead of wasting the turn to melt||

||I guess the idea is that if an opponents sends a steel or rock or fire type you can melt to be strong against it||

||Maybe if you could use it on yourself to change ice to water, it would also come with some stat changes. Def and Sp Def down one and speed up one? Then it really has its use||

[echo bone]

||i think the main purpose was to make a steel mon no longer resist it, and the ice is just a bonus||

[shell sand]

because its fun

:]

[rough kelp]

||"today I will use chi-yu in VGC"
the nefarious dark/water chien-pao:||

ok I immediately see the problem here

||most water-type can learn ice moves, few ice-type can learn water moves||

[shell sand]

if Melt was an ability it would create so much more fun shenanigans

[north fjord]

Yeah exactly

[arctic bobcat]

idk i think the issue is that logistically ||any pokemon that would learn a fire-type move called melt would also probably also have access to a damaging fire type move already and that would bypass the need to even have to deal with steel and ice types||

||like the problem is that its already flavored towards heat-using pokemon to begin with||

[ionic vortex]

Maybe Call It Something Else Then?

||Thaw?||

||I Feel Like That's A More Ambiguous Name Type-Wise||

[spice remnant]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452166186575200289/1299711536297938965/1729929006559567.mp4?ex=671e3231&is=671ce0b1&hm=e071464809ccd488683afc4a2c9cddfdb888ec865a822133198ce80b705b666c& Trainers' Eyes Meet in SV||

[north fjord]

||If it was something an Ice type can do to itself then that would be a good way to balance it.||

||Buff ice types by making it so they have the option to no longer be ice type.||

||Beyond just Tera||

[arctic bobcat]

that sounds quite honestly like the worst way to balance a type

its like saying that in Smash Zelda is balanced out by being able to turn into Shiek

but oh well

[rose junco]

oh wasn't entirely keeping up for past few days, we got SV stuff now? nice

[arctic bobcat]

the move was removed anyway for a reason

[north fjord]

Mostly half joke anyways

[ionic vortex]

[FUTURE GAMES, BUT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SPOIL ANYTHING] ||https://vxtwitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845518786981446050|| I Know I'm Super Late To This One But...

What The Fuck?

What Do You MEAN ||The Entire Plot Has Been Leaked?||

Thankfully I've Hardly Seen A Blip Of It, And When I Have I Get Outta There Fast Enough That My Eyes Don't Register It But Still

I Just Know That Eventually Some Jackass Is Going To Blast It Somewhere Before Release

[spice remnant]

You've hardly seen a blip of it because it's not been leaked

I'd say stop posting centro bullshit but this is just you misinterpreting this tweet

It just says the leaker has those which is true

Well true in that centro isn't wrong that they claimed that, not that there's proof, but no real reason to doubt it

[ionic vortex]

Ohhhhh

Okay I Feel A Lot Better Now

[spice timber]

the leaker has that stuff, but has been hesitant to post any of it

we do have a few tidbits of z-a/gen 10 news, but exclusively because of the anime leaks

[ionic vortex]

Funny How That Works

[shell sand]

i feel like this topic has been brought up so many times there should be a pinned post abt it

[marble sand]

that prompted me to check the pins and wow that first pin is very important i am glad i saw it...

[shell sand]

i think you mean last pin

[marble sand]

Oh true yeah lol

I was like "Erm that's just the informational one" til i realized

[rough kelp]

dont trust centro lol

bro loves imagining stuffs then states them like actual leaks (exhibit A: Grass/Ghost Ogerpon)

[surreal vault]

Was Grass/Ghost ogerpon from a Khu riddle or something

[spice timber]

centro literally just made it up

[rough kelp]

^

bro even made up bursa's type (it stayed ground/normal lol)

[surreal vault]

Ground/Steel incident

[shell sand]

why do people say it "zaza"

its just za

[marble sand]

because zaza is weed and weed is humorous

[velvet bobcat]

weed eater

[rough kelp]

the movie exclusive from of the mythical pokémon, zaza darude

[proven bay]

I can't Standstorm this sandstorm

[grizzled turret]

MCU dialogue

[shell sand]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKD4pvlpZs4 ||

1 question i always had

was like

was Santalune being Viridian forest a copout or was that intentional

and this video seems to say ||it was intentional that they even mapped it out properly before every other area||

now I just have to ask why

[velvet bobcat]

funni reference

[shell sand]

uhmmmm puts the unova monkeys in there to make it cool?

[spare hare]

And that was the last game you could find them in the wild

[shell sand]

Your welcome

[marble sand]

What did you do to them

[shell sand]

i sent them to bloons tower defense world

[velvet bobcat]

did they live

[tropic pollen]

Why am i seeing beta footage of SV on twt

I thought the leakers agreed not to share anything

[shell sand]

they said they wouldnt leak ZA or Gen 10

SV is not either of those

[tropic pollen]

I thought they said they wouldn’t leak SV stuff since there were still future events slated

[shell sand]

i dont think i ever heard about that

[ionic vortex]

Yeah But This Isn't Related To Said Future Content

If Anything It's Past Content

[shell sand]

was SV having a few more events here and there warranting it was gonna be protected

[ionic vortex]

They Probably Mean Like Events With New Content

Like Mythicals

But Not That I'd Know

[shell sand]

i think theyre already done with SV

considering theyre already making 2 new games already

whod be making SV content while they do that. ILCA?

[ionic vortex]

Doesn't Have To Be Something Big

As I Said, Could Just Be Like Another Mythical Or Something

[ionic vortex]

[X&Y] Holy Ffffucking Shit

What The Barnacles

[echo bone]

no fucking way!?

||i bet he's ground type, thus weak to ice||

[ionic vortex]

||I Kinda Doubt That||

||He Could Definitely Beat An Articuno||

||Now Dusknoir On The Other Hand...||

[ionic vortex]

||Also Idunno About You, But I Get The Feeling He Was Originally Intended For Black & White||

||Getting Big Unovan Vibes From Him For Some Reason||

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-mad-furious-angry-you-gif-17544095

[echo bone]

||normal ground then, don't think he'd resist fighting type attacks well||

[rough kelp]

||The nefarious vanilluxe:
||

[spice remnant]

these are kinda cool ig

[rose junco]

wtf ||Mismagius-colored Misdreavus||...

know it's probably just because of how the pallete stuff works but it looks raw

[tender radish]

this may have been posted but this is rly funny to me. ||tropius balance review||

||It has few usable moves (especially type-matching moves), and it breaks my heart to think that if things stay this way it will once again be treated as an HM Pokemon.||

||At the very least, I'd like to see more type-matching moves and support moves added. Or, I think it would be better to keep "Stone Edge" for this Pokemon.||

[spice timber]

they

balance reviewed pokemon back in gen 3?

someone okayed this?

[tender radish]

This is a gen 4 sheet tbf but i imagine they also did in gen 3

[echo bone]

||HM SLAVES ARE CANON||

[tender radish]

So they okayed that.

[echo bone]

oh lol

i guess this is reviewing from the past gen then

[tender radish]

That's cool though that they go back and see what guys need to be buffed

A good thing ab dexit is that it makes such a thing more feasible because you cannot do that for 1000 guys

[spice timber]

wonder if there's internal docs for shininess

stuff like making zard go from purple to black in gen 3 was likely intentional

[ionic vortex]

If So They Need More Docs

[tender radish]

Would love to see that bc we know recently that the original designers pick the palettes but its not clear when that was done or if that's always been the case

[ionic vortex]

Because Why Are There A Bunch Which Are Almost Identical?

[spice timber]

vladmir pokemondesigner looking at gen 8 combusken:

[echo bone]

kinda a necessity when every gen introduces new moves

[echo bone]

100% was, like this one official artwork from gen 2 with a black charizard

before gen 3 introduced it

[north fjord]

I remember this artwork in this guidebook I had

One thing I do remember vividly relating to it was this rumor that was going around that you could find Shiny Charizard in Viridian Forest? There was some really bizarre way to find it like any Pokemon rumor

[spice remnant]

Man looks so weird here

Bro got that $20 haircut

[rough kelp]

clearly someone haven't watched bidoof's big stand...

[echo bone]

i don't watch cartoons for youtube kids babies

[rough kelp]

speech bubble penny pokémon

[spice remnant]

Marshtomp looking like a baby here

[spare hare]

dada dusknoir

[marble sand]

||pelipper got hit with the ||

[echo bone]

FHJBHDKD

[rough kelp]

jagged beak pelipper is so cursed

[spice remnant]

bro

The fucking soccer ball?????

[spare hare]

ballin??

[echo bone]

SUPER SNEASEL STRIKERS

https://tenor.com/view/mario-strikers-intro-do-dooz-gif-21672369

[shell sand]

basically everyone at gamefreak knows theres problems but they dont give a shit

[shell sand]

I LOVE THE SOCCERBALL THATS SO SILLYYYY

[echo bone]

this was for sinnoh

[shell sand]

THAT DUSKNOIR POSE IS SO COOL

[shell sand]

i know

i can see the DP on the image

[echo bone]

stabbing

[shell sand]

imagine if they cut the pokemon in gen 8 becuase they started giving up on reviewing every pokemon

i would believe it

[echo bone]

yknow what yeah i believe it

they should have hired me paid me for reviewing every learnset

[spice timber]

don't blame em

it's super annoying to not be able to have the mons in every game, but from a dev standpoint that must be a HUGE relief

game freak dev after cutting typhlosion so they don't have to update its tm learnset to add burning jealousy and nothing else

[shell sand]

you say that like they fixed any of their other problems

also its not even like.

a 2 month job

[ionic vortex]

I Feel Like Every Starter Should Be Able To Be Transferred Into All Future Games

Even If They Can't Actually Be Obtained, They Should Be Top-Priority For Transfers

[echo bone]

those shackles aren't free because the game freak dev still works for game freak you silly clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and it's work they get paid for anyways so the game still suffers because someone was a bit too lazy to work on the game a little more! or some executive was too tight to do proper quality control! or inbetween

either way it's not a win because the games still linger with problems! don't celebrate the mons getting cut because people get paid to do worse jobs!

[tender radish]

Not being forced to modify data for 1000 dudes in every game definitely lessened the load though, it was going to become unmanageable at one point or another and if it weren't for gen 7 being built on the same engine it definitely would've happened sooner

[spice timber]

there were also a lot of scenarios where mons would just

never ever show up in a gen

the changes plusle and minun might've gotten in gen 7 don't matter when neither mon was actually obtainable in those games without transferring

[echo bone]

i mean they should also bother making the mons available to begin with lol, cutting the amount of creatures must have lessened the workload but like

does it matter when every fucking entry in this multi million series is guaranteed to be a smash sales hit lol

like who the fuck cares about the workload, the company should supply the workers with the tools and money to pay every expense for development and maintaining costs.
Like when the fuck did pokemon become about the workers or how "we couldn't get this feature in time sorry!", it's just immersion breaking that the company doesn't bother putting the game it promises to the players

like when did it become a game about excusing the faults of the higher ups, game developers should be able to work this off without difficulty considering this franchise is already guaranteed more than 10 million unit sales per main entry lol

[torn ore]

Iirc they keep their employed numbers low for easier communication

[tender radish]

I feel like making every single pokemon catchable would inevitably result in padding and bloat which is a problem that gets worse the longer the series goes on and if some remain transfer-only as they had been from gens 2-6 what's the point of putting in so many resources and time for pokemon most players aren't likely to encounter

It's a fool's errand and i feel like focusing on other aspects is a wiser move

[torn ore]

Also I think it's usually young, new, programmers who are assigned to new games so might explain the optimization problem

[echo bone]

every pokemon is somebody's favorite
even being just transferrable they should make sure they're all compatible

like it's the same logic behind the stupid shit they pulled with exp share switch, just because it was convenient didn't mean the old way was completely obsolete and not worth keeping

like this is the same company that could probably stop pumping games or animes and still make it through the year with plush sales alone lol

[torn ore]

Yknow I already lost hope long ago lmao

[echo bone]

surely they should bother making the games look better beyond just some basic paycheck for everybody in lol

i'm just tired of seeing people "celebrate" that certain pokemon are gone which i just find really fucking stupid

the kid me playing these games gave no shits about the developers' stories or whatever, he cared about the games being fun
and as long as they made ends meet, they were fun

like obviously in normal circumstances you weren't able to capture a haunter in hoenn or whatever, but the fact they're compatible means you can like, get whatever by manipulating what you can with cheat devices, and get the mon you want even if it wasn't technically available

[torn ore]

And exp share this, shiny locks that, Ive grown tired of their constant limiting to accessibility to the point that I just cant be bothered anymore.
The care more about playing the game their way nowadays rather than give the players their own options

[echo bone]

but ever since they not only charged more for the games from switch onwards, they included less mons to toy with than before, we also get them in basically worse scenarios or animations or whatever, it's struggling so much to stay afloat

and ditto to that, i'm so tired of the company not bothering to quality check the games they're selling, and the worst part is that because they're guaranteed sales hits, they don't need to try ever lol
it's so tiring

they've whored themselves up for so cheap i swear, i miss when regions looked good

[shell sand]

thats also one of the reasons why it doesnt matter; they can just ignore it and add the pokemon anyway

theres no balance quality in the games and theres no quantity in the games its a lose-lose

the developper still constantly breaks their hands trying to rush through development and the player still feels like the region is half-baked

its a lose-lose x4

theres nothing good gained here

[spice remnant]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI5X9DkvZug ||

[arctic bobcat]

real missed opportunity to keep the shadow people in the game

[shell sand]

HELLO THE MENU USED TO LOOK STYLISH AND THEMATICALLY APPROPRIATE?

BEFORE THEY TURNED INTO BOTW2 NO STYLE BOOGALOO?

wait

the blacked out specifically teh new designs

is the Oni designs from PLA and blackout designs from this Video basically like

"ok were gonna show important people/investors how a game is gonna be like, but we cant show them our character or creature designs"

[spice remnant]

I would assume it's just b/c they haven't made the textures yet but idk

[shell sand]

but dawn has the hair

all they need is to put a blank skintone if they really wanted to

but they made them have oni horns on purpose

[spice remnant]

oh did they

[shell sand]

do they not

[spice remnant]

idk I didn't really pay attention to those

[shell sand]

|| https://fixvx.com/Crownified/status/1849456036152852922 ||

[spice remnant]

Lmao

[shell sand]

Thats one way to try to make designs classified

awkward but unique

[spice remnant]

This is so true

[shell sand]

Oh my god

ths is the most important find of the SV video

they were intending doors to be openable

they were gonna have interiors.

Help

btw howd we go from || https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387983223919083520/1300448358091067483/image.png?ex=6720e069&is=671f8ee9&hm=f31b0222084473c95e26425861c8e1008120fbb31e4c2270f12b45c643d22f40& ||

to https://www.gameuidatabase.com/uploads/Pokmon-Scarlet-and-Violet11292022-121759-44678.jpg

wheres the love

[unkempt mirage]

||the pattern does make the icons a little hard to see but i do like the style||

[surreal vault]

||Yeah tweak it and it's so much better||

[surreal vault]

||Why does she have horns||

[shell sand]

i said it around those messages

my theory is its their way of keeping those designs 'classified' when they show off game footage to others

[quartz mountain]

Pokken but its the olympic games

[spice timber]

i can absolutely see why they had to make the graphics look shit within the timeframe they had

this gameplay is noticeably lagging on pc

the final game noticeably lags ofc, but imagine if they were also trying to keep this quality of shading at the same time on switch hardware

[spice remnant]

Tbh I'd just assume whoever was doing this didn't have a gaming PC

[spice timber]

i feel like you're missing the fact that sv has like

800 unique pokemon catchable and obtainable on one cart

you don't even lose out on anything by not buying the dlcs, because the mons become transferrable to the base game anyways

[shell sand]

i repeat

lose-lose and lose-lose

its just not good

[shell sand]

i can show you what good fps looks like for one of these beta builds

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyo6WPxQrBw ||

granted its because its the interior but

[spice timber]

the protag's house doesn't have fps issues in the final game either though

[shell sand]

yeas

also i dont think the UI being simple solved the problem anyway thats just how the game is

[velvet bobcat]

protag's house feels like where the most amount of effort in this game went

[shell sand]

UI should not be slowing your game down unless youre doing something really stupid or you're Persona who achieves the game not slowing down anyway

[echo bone]

the region looks ugly as sin so i don't want to touch it still lol

[shell sand]

region ugly AND empty

cant believe there are actually like indents on the doors so you could enter them and theyre UNUSED

[echo bone]

really idk why one would be defending this lose-lose situation, game devs still get crunched and players still feel the gen is unfinished

i wish so fucking badly they didn't attempt any open world shit with PLA or SV so the galar engine could have been expanded upon and simply have gen 9 have everything using the already made gen 8 compatible mons

[spice remnant]

Fucking yes
It's the open world shit
SV was fun despite it unlike SwSh where it just gave me a headache but I really hope they just go back to regular maps

[spice timber]

i don't think transitioning to open world is a bad thing, but sv clearly did not have the time needed to make it a palatable system

[spice remnant]

And they never will unless we want to start seeing a single game per console

[echo bone]

the open world means the game will look ugly as sin so it's just not worth it

[spice remnant]

Which I'm sure some people will say yes to but ultimately that's clearly not what Pokemon needs so they really should just abandon open world

[north fjord]

Open zone is the way to go imo

[echo bone]

lysandre would be disappointed by the state of pokemon today! there's no beauty to the region!

[north fjord]

Like how PLA does it

Big open areas but more dedicated maps than one giant world

[echo bone]

i'd say PLA still looks a tad ugly so i'd just downsize it to what alola and galar were doing
or even lets go

[north fjord]

It at least didn’t lag like SV did

[spice timber]

i don't think it's bleak

[echo bone]

why does nighttime look so atrociously teal and bland, this garchomp sticks out so much lol

[spice timber]

we do know that they internally delayed z-a

and that back in august, the game was in a completable state

[spice remnant]

The point isn't just lag though it's about why these games are ugly as sin and it's because you just can't want to make games with Wild Areas like SwSh or the areas in PLA and also be expecting a game every year or two that's just insane

[spice timber]

if anything, they clearly don't want a sv repeat

[echo bone]

who knows if they don't want to, that game still sold like hotcakes lol

like honestly i just wish gen 8 had been an actual stepping stone in polishing the animations and reducing the amount of mons, and then each following game built off from its engine to eventually have all 1000 mons around by gen 9

but nooooooooo they went experimentaaaaaaaaaaal and now the region can't even look pretty because of how poorly rendered everything is

[spice remnant]

I mean it doesn't help that they've been changing the artstyle every Gen so they keep having to redo all the Pokemon instead of just keeping them as is

[spice timber]

you do realize that they transitioned to open world as a direct result of people bitching about how the pokemon formula was becoming stale, right?

[echo bone]

the games are also charging more now for each switch era game compared to gen 6 or 7 lol

[echo bone]

they shouldn't have bothered listening to those fans lol

[spice remnant]

Yea which was stupid of them
Don't listen to fans lmfao

[echo bone]

the target audience of the game is children, the games are meant to make new fans every gen

like who cares if they lose players who find the games stale lol, the main buyers are still the new fans generating yearly

[spice timber]

you want every pokemon game to have all this effort put into it with full transferrable dexes and beautiful graphics and shit, but simultaneously want them to stop caring about feedback and just churn out shit because it'll sell anyways?

[echo bone]

like if gen 8 failed story wise it was everything but the formula being stale, it was because they failed to meet up expectations to the formula

[echo bone]

Ok i'm not sure what you're gaining from this convo but I just want to express my frustrations with the company without needing to hear excuses about how it's okay they're doing it this way

they're game developers, they have to power to just make the games good from the getgo but the company shoots down their foot every single time

like can we please stop making excuses to stuff the company should be able to handle

[spice timber]

the devs don't have the power to "just make the games good"

games need dev time

you can't do shit if you don't have the time to polish it

[echo bone]

???
but it's literally their hands that make sure the game ends up good lol

like idk why you think i'm not advocating for more dev time lol

[spice timber]

i'm saying don't blame the devs for this

[echo bone]

they shouldn't pump out each game in unfinished states

[spice timber]

blame the higherups

[echo bone]

the devs also involve the company overseeing the project, so i'm blaming everybody complicit

[spice timber]

this has literally ALWAYS been a problem in pokemon

[echo bone]

like i'm just using devs as a shorthand lol

[spice remnant]

Pokemon has not always been like this shut the fuck up 😭

[spice timber]

dp runs like shit and it's a ds game

and looks like ass

[echo bone]

ok but why are you using this as a defense to begin with

[spice remnant]

Pokemon has never been technically impressive
Calling Pokemon 'technically unimpressive' on Switch would be the understatement of the century

(Though meanwhile I personally think Gen VII are like literally some of the most beautiful games on the 3DS as a whole)

[spice timber]

because this isn't a problem exclusive to sv

[echo bone]

also like even something as gargantuan as XY ended up turning out pretty good
like its issues were more poor choices story wise more than anything technical

like they got tasked with bringing Every Fucking Mon of the 720 they had into 3d for the first time alongside a fully functional pokemon petting simulator and they absolutely managed to do it great

[spice timber]

this whole idea of the devs being at fault for not "just making the games good" while not actually thinking about the limitations they work under because tpc and gf higherups rush them for yearly schedules is incredibly shortsighted

[spice timber]

no?

[echo bone]

what do you mean no

[spice timber]

that process led to every mon having a stale lifeless model

for YEARS

[echo bone]

they're not fucking lifeless on god

and i'm saying they still absolutely managed to do it with no real meaningful drawback despite XY being a perfect time they could have bothered to not bring everyone back

[spice timber]

like half of the mons just had like
this expression 😐

[spice remnant]

Tank you are literally only carrying out this conversation by acting like when people say 'they should make the games better' that 'they' somehow doesn't apply to anyone in a managerial position

[echo bone]

and they can actually depict animations during fights instead of being static gifs or pngs lol

also we should not brush aside this was also alongside a fully functional amie

[rose junco]

is '14 and up' children? always considered teens and children separate at least
though idk if they still consider that the target audience nowadays, but apparently they did for DP from one of the docs I saw

[echo bone]

why is this always the point you're fixating

[north fjord]

Some glad I have zero stake in this conversation cause whew it looks heated

[echo bone]

if i call the game a game for children, it's because children consume it too

i'm not wrong in saying this lol

[rose junco]

idk I just came in here and was first thing I saw

[spice timber]

it's a dumb argument

[north fjord]

I don’t even know who is arguing for what it seems all over the place

[rose junco]

me either

I wasn't even arguing, just bringing something up

[echo bone]

i'm just expressing my disatisfaction with the series
where they can't even bother looking pretty nowadays lol

[shell sand]

i think this is the point

[echo bone]

and arguing that the biggest fucking multi media company should be able to develop games that live up to their sale figures

[spice remnant]

Kirb-Star is arguing they should make the games better instead of releasing slop (by giving them more dev time), I'm arguing they should make the games better instead of releasing slop (by not making open world which takes forever, since obviously they don't want games to come out longer), TANK's arguing 'but it's not the devs fault' as if people who set timelines don't count as devs or that we specificially pointed out the creatives which we didn't

[spice timber]

basically, tempering expectations vs being innovative with the time limitations put in place

[shell sand]

no one actually wants innovation bro

mario & luigi and ttyd are both back on the same console

[echo bone]

unnecessary innovation i'm arguing

[spice timber]

i generally see devs as like
the people in the bunkers actually making the game

[shell sand]

wh

Why

[echo bone]

the higherups are devs too lol

[shell sand]

Theyre office workers that have day offs at the weekend hello?

[spice timber]

are you not a dev yourself?

[shell sand]

Thats the point?? ?

[north fjord]

You know what I think

[echo bone]

developer can mean a million things within game production lol

[shell sand]

theyre not surviving in a bunker theyre just doing a job 😭

[spare hare]

I think this discussion has gone on long enough now, asking everyone to stop this line of thought since it is clearly becoming more and more aggressive. As a reminder, this chat is supposed to be for discussing the leaks. Obviously some side conversations will happen, but this is frequently derailing the chat now so we're asking people to put a pin in it right now.

[north fjord]

They should make a Mongolian Death Worm Pokemon I think that would be freaking epic dudes

[echo bone]

like developers also involve the people making the characters, taking the decisions, the guys programming the game into existence, etc

[echo bone]

thank you

[spice timber]

ty, i don't think either side's gonna end up turning the other

[echo bone]

beta gyarados moment

[spice timber]

so it's best to just stop

[spice timber]

we haven't seen that ground type convergent gyarados in sv leaks yet

[shell sand]

i mean theres a lot of "leaks" that can just be fake

like aliens

[spice timber]

i wonder if we'll get art for it like with mega jynx

[echo bone]

oh the gyarados thing was in the filenames of SV

[spice timber]

tbf, the alien plotline was a 4chan leak from like a decade and a half ago, and it got disproven by actual xy leaks

[echo bone]

iirc the toedscruel line had names similar to magikarp and gyarados in the filenames

[spice timber]

^

[shell sand]

reminds me of how when BW beta didnt have a sprite for something

it just used Amomola's sprite

[north fjord]

I guess it was scrapped because Orthworm was too similar perhaps?

[shell sand]

we have no idea what it actually means

[north fjord]

Or it turned into Orthworm

[spare hare]

The internal names for toedscool and toedscruel were okakingu and okagyaradosu iirc

Which lines up with the Japanese names for the magikarp line

[shell sand]

yea

[echo bone]

orthworm

i feel like an old man rn seeing new pokemon names and not recognizing them lol 😭

[north fjord]

Funny metal worm

[spice timber]

glumbus

[spare hare]

Also mycelium might is one of the last (the last?) abilities internally for base sv, and toedscool also is

But we don't actually know if the leaker got anything for sv besides the code do we

Like they didn't get staff folders or anything for sv

[north fjord]

I was only making a joke that was completely unrelated to the previous discussion but I’m happy it somehow looped back into being about leaks

I’m just good like that

[shell sand]

idr

[spice timber]

toedscruel's art is also literally just its model

[shell sand]

thats

a lot of things

[runic prawn]

honestly that alien "leak" is still insane, whoever wrote that cooked

[north fjord]

The alien leak was insane cause it was so out there yet it also somehow made sense

[shell sand]

it really didnt

wym luigi was intended to be the scary house

[north fjord]

It made sense to me damn it

[spice timber]

the alien leak could have gotten someone a creative writing degree

[north fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/its-still-real-to-me-gif-12446406

But yeah if we get groundados somewhere in the leaks that would be insane

[echo bone]

L is real 121013

[bright pine]

I'm pretty sure that the amount of mons that are unavailible in every switch game not counting megas is like 10 anyway so I doubt it would be hard to just have every mon in the future

[shell sand]

yeah its all really superficial

[ionic vortex]

We Already Know We're Getting Furfrou In Z-A, And All The Other Regular Unavailable Pokémon Were Also In Kalos' Dex So They Have A Chance Too

[quartz nacelle]

I tend to beliebe this thread over others so i need to know
Is the star chaped beta deoxys real?

[shell sand]

no

[spice timber]

which one are you talking about? i don't recall seeing a star deoxys in the leaks

[surreal vault]

him

[spare hare]

https://tenor.com/view/fearless-year-of-shadow-year-of-shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-movie-3-sonic-movie-3-shadow-gif-2199999771942619526

[surreal vault]

"Shaymin! Destroy the Aether foundation employees, for then I will give you the Steel Plate!"

[spice timber]

bro looks like it's about to summon its interdimensional friends to wreak havoc on gravity falls

[surreal vault]

NOW MEET THE GANG OF INTERDIMENSIONAL CRIMINALS AND NIGHTMARES I CALL MY FRIENDS!

[tropic pollen]

Does Doom actually say that in shd05

[echo bone]

That's bill cipher's quote

The only friend black doom ever brings is black bull

[tropic pollen]

Ah okey

[ionic vortex]

Oh Yeah They Donate To Charity

[quartz nacelle]

Thank you
Got a meme about the leaks, of some internal note that says what to and not show and the idea just sounds fake, more so as i havent seen any leaks related to just internat stuff that isnt the end of ash journey and the confirmed faje one about black and white

[ionic vortex]

What

[quartz nacelle]

A meme plobably sharing a fake leak, if it wasnt invented by the meme maker

[wanton trail]

There’s no way its still leaking

[spice timber]

well

four folders called "gfdocs" just leaked

like 40gb

[north fjord]

Oh my

This could be many things

[wanton trail]

BRUH

ARE YOU FOR REAL

IS THIS PART OF THE TERALEAK?

[rose junco]

40 more gb? good god

[wanton trail]

If this is a separate thing im actually just gonna mute this channel

I dont have the motivation to comb through 40 gb of data being leaked at once

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-mr-fox-jaw-drop-shocked-shocked-face-gif-11482637535158564310

THERE'S MORE?????

I Mean 40 Gigabytes Is Way Less Than A Terabyte But Still

[spice remnant]

Haven't heard about anything new yet but here's an early DP gym leader theme

[tropic pollen]

It is 4% in fact

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bonzi-buddy-look-up-wtf-reading-gif-10133557274644656076

[spice timber]

ogh

.,

there's concept arts..

[surreal vault]

Holy [cungadero]

[rose junco]

oh boy

[surreal vault]

If there's anything noteworthy do post them

[spice timber]

i feel like anything noteworthy is gonna begin circulating a few hours from now as people claw through this, i don't have access to it myself and just found that on a different server forwarded from the leak server

oh hi there sumo concept art leaks

[rose junco]

yeah, I'd look into it myself if I had the space for it lol

[spice timber]

apparently, these are photoshop files

so people can go in and actually see the layers

[ionic vortex]

My Goodness She Is Gorgeous

Also Interesting That These Are Shiny

[rose junco]

shiny concept art is always cool to see

[spice timber]

oh

"in these concepts are future plans lol"

[rose junco]

👀

[spice timber]

2025 worlds logo

[echo bone]

oh hey it's the smash 4 jigglypuff bow costume

and swag ass toedscool

[tropic pollen]

Wtf, Amy the Jigglypuff

[velvet bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/toedscool-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-tentacool-but-heres-the-gif-27098341

[surreal vault]

Wuh oh

[velvet bobcat]

||fennekin and chespin in the pic tho...||

||southern kalos dlc confirmed||

[rose junco]

||Froakie's there too||

[velvet bobcat]

oh that sneaky ass

i fell for its vile disguise

[spice timber]

closer look

||kalos starters||

[velvet bobcat]

||the pikachu taxi is crazy||

[spice timber]

greature

[rose junco]

remember seeing the non-shiny version of this concept art before

[velvet bobcat]

yello there

[spice remnant]

Me when my brain prism

Xurkitree

Incin

Ash Greninja with its mouthed closed ew

Vikavolt

Side view of mega jynx lol

[spice timber]

it looks

sliiiightly better from the side?

it has like ||weird elbow pauldrons||

[grizzled turret]

Obsessed with the ||roller skates||

Look at him GO

[marble sand]

Can never see this concept art sheet the same

[spice remnant]

Funny leaks

Wait actually I'm not sure if that was early stuff or something for the future actually

[runic prawn]

the funny...

[spice timber]

i mean we know mega jynx got scrapped ages ago

[tropic pollen]

She posted a different video

[spice remnant]

Ok I'm pretty sure it was just early content and I just saw someone being dumb

[velvet bobcat]

i heard something about sun moon having red as the protag in the beginning or smth, idk if its misinformation but lines up with the video

[spice remnant]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452166186575200289/1300932886555525130/promotionalvideo.mov?ex=6722a3aa&is=6721522a&hm=600de6ef95546df74a3a97decd987acf5eceb967e2858ae0fff567f4a4905e95&|| So yea early Rainbow (Sun Moon) trailer

[spice timber]

oh yeah

i think this was the gen 7 pitch

[velvet bobcat]

||ursaluna real............||

[spice remnant]

||Have they ever included unavailable pokemon in art before||

||Cause vanillite ain't in SV||

[runic prawn]

this is literally those fan made videos wtf

[spice timber]

early lysandre is

[ionic vortex]

Why Is He Pink

[spice remnant]

KALOS BROS WHY DO WE KEEP ON WINNING

Xerosic my detested

[rose junco]

ah, so Gosieniecki designed him too

[runic prawn]

holy shit

[spice remnant]

I cannot BELIEVE we're actually seeing Gen VII shit

[ionic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-sonic-06-fandub-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-gif-3797449559815429767

[spice remnant]

Is that the shit from the Giratina movie

[spice timber]

i think this is ride pokemon concept art

[spice remnant]

Yea look at the magnezone

[spice timber]

the magnezone showed up in the anime

[spice remnant]

zamn

[ionic vortex]

How

[runic prawn]

wow

[ionic vortex]

How Do You Ride A Weezing

It's Gas

[spice remnant]

Bro you're thinking of gastly

Did you think weezing was like
nonphysical

[marble sand]

||rapidash is interesting because how do you animate it such that the mane isn't constantly burning your face||

[spice remnant]

this thing

[marble sand]

||gotta give rapidash some sort of helmet and then it stops looking like rapidash lol||

[rose junco]

||can't wait to ride one and immediately catch on fire||

[marble sand]

the baby

[spice timber]

https://tenor.com/view/reignald-monsterhouse-eat-hungry-munch-gif-19913088

[spice remnant]

Shitty MTL garbage because people suck

[rose junco]

||okay but what if I'm not accepted||

[spice timber]

hm

||the five lights on the chest are its core||?

[spice remnant]

What the fuck

Is this some movie character

Uncanny pikachu

[spice timber]

oh that's the kid from the zarude movie

[ionic vortex]

That Probably No One Watched

[rose junco]

yeah, Koko

[spice remnant]

More random shit

[velvet bobcat]

uncanny ash

[spice timber]

wtf is that ash

first movie to sell 0 tickets

[spice remnant]

Quirky american artists when they show you how they can fix anime