Leaks for Pokémon

[shell sand]

damn thank you

not a lot of info abt it then

we dont know what it would evolve into i guess

[tropic pollen]

Hallo rami

[quartz nacelle]

Hi jedi
Im interesed in the leaks

And here is the most up to date place

[shell sand]

theres like

tons of information

which wuold you like to ask abt

[tropic pollen]

||Area 51 joke is neat, i guess they had a whole area for my boys then…. (Beheeyem line)||

||It did always feel a little odd that they were only found at… a cemetary tower?||

And route 13

[shell sand]

yeah thats where they was

[spare hare]

||the dex entry actually references them being found in the desert||

originally

[shell sand]

funnily enough theres an ||area 51|| parody in the anime

on route 4

[echo bone]

They should have put elgyem in the desert routes

[spice remnant]

||https://streamable.com/f0s79u ||
Funny Gen V sprites ingame ig

[harsh lion]

cool as hell

[shell sand]

oh sweet

nearly final

[echo bone]

No way the rock type!!!

[harsh lion]

||oh I vibe with the green roggenrola and boldore||

woah

[quartz nacelle]

I read somethibg about sharpedo fin soup and i want to know if its real and where it was found (same page as the other lore stuff or in another place?)

[north fjord]

I can’t believe they took away all of ||Basculin’s|| flair

[tropic pollen]

||fat Simisear jumpscare||

[shell sand]

i think thats just a regular thing somewhere

oh its a sinnoh myth

[terse agate]

when are they going to leak the beta and source code of mario and wario

[shell sand]

idk man

[terse agate]

dang

[echo bone]

Wasn't this in alola too

In the dex

[spare hare]

It has a sad history. In the past, its dorsal fin was a treasured foodstuff, so this Pokémon became a victim of overfishing.

this is the most i found

[echo bone]

Yum

[spare hare]

the sinnoh thing is just a generic "use everything from the pokemon" type story

[quartz nacelle]

There was the one text that explained that before everything was eaten, then later it was overfished hastly and many thrown to die
And that team galactic believed on the second thought as better

[shell sand]

well sharkfin is like

based on a real thing

sharks got overhunted for that fin

[echo bone]

Yum

[shell sand]

endangered/protected species and such

[echo bone]

[spare hare]

in terms of beta stuff i have no idea, it might be in there but there's been so much that idk for sure what's out there and what's not

[shell sand]

i think its interesting that alola brought back this point but i wonder if its because of this sinnoh myth or just the general idea from real life sharks

[spice remnant]

This is me when I pick charmander

[spare hare]

probably just bc of the real life shark fin stuff

[shell sand]

they finished charmander's model last

[spare hare]

the sinnoh myth is just make sure to pick the fish clean

[shell sand]

????????

impossible.

[spice remnant]

XY 3D models of all past pokemon are from Pokedex 3D pro
So they just didn't import charmander's yet for some reason

Well they have to change the texture artstyle I think? but yea

Actually wait 3D Pro only released in nov 2012 wtf

[quartz nacelle]

Yea
The thing that made me ask more was because the last line, was this supposed to be in a book? A speech? Npc chat? Just general mix of in universe lore and story?
Guess the idea ended up getting used in the end as alola shows us tho

[shell sand]

its just a bunch of mythos they typed out to make new ones to put into the game

[north fjord]

Real life sharks are over-hunted and poached for their fins, which some super wealthy people believe acts as a miracle cure for whatever if turned into a rather bland and tasteless soup.

Shark fin soup is one of a handful of illegal dishes to prepare

[tropic pollen]

are you thinking of the Sinnoh Folkstory?

[north fjord]

A lot of illegal soup actually surprisingly enough

Shark fin soup, turtle soup, birds nest soup

[tropic pollen]

Pick clean the bones of Pokémon caught in the sea or stream.
Thank them for the meals they provide, and pick their bones clean.
When the bones are as clean as can be, set them free in the water from which they came.
The Pokémon will return, fully fleshed, and it begins anew.

[spare hare]

fillet away

[shell sand]

heres a bunch of the bw ideas that i machine translated with some common sense changes here and there

its not All of them

[quartz nacelle]

In a way yea
Just asking as is not on TCRF

[shell sand]

but im not going to translate potentially multiple 300-line doc files

interesting. the Tower themes in BW were originally named ||N's Castle||

[wanton trail]

Woah

[spare hare]

the celestial/dragonspiral themes?

[shell sand]

yeah

[warped ferry]

||wait does this imply victini was originally gonna be at the end of the unova dex?||

[shell sand]

also faye do u have the means to find gogoat in one of the xy builds because i just rememebred this beta gogoat from pre-release xy

[spare hare]

huh

[shell sand]

its slightly different in color

[spare hare]

yellow

[shell sand]

yeszactly

it might be one of those mons that had changed color schemes

[spice remnant]

||Apparently Elesa was originally 17 but then they changed her age to 15 and based her on Gemma Ward who was a real life 15 yo model||

[shell sand]

huh

i see!

[spice remnant]

||Huh idk
Gen V index got shuffled around a lot apparently
I think I saw a lot of lists point to Meloetta as 649 though so probably not?||

[tropic pollen]

i noticed this during the beta sprites showcase

they werent in dex ordre

[shell sand]

its almost dex order

[spice remnant]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295314025025896458/1295821487395180545/Screen_Recording_2024-10-15_at_1.51.20_PM.mov?ex=67100b4d&is=670eb9cd&hm=47c5c41c21bc11ef662f5a0a70ffbd4f918f803c5c4b089c67e6af3f3c4b0e27&|| diff build with numbers

[shell sand]

OH SHIT

wow i guess its one of those designs that were made sure to be finished before it was put into the game

[spice remnant]

At this point it looks like they're just completely shoved in randomly (Probably in the order they were made?) with no regard for dex numbering conventions

[shell sand]

yeah dex order doesnt really mean much when it comes to development

ever since gen 1

[spice remnant]

Pokemon have been ordered internally based on national dex since Gen III i believe

But at this point they're just tossed in and they're only resorted in later builds

[shell sand]

for the mons that theyre currently making?

[spare hare]

this is true but gen 9 broke the pattern

we had to wait until the 1008 pokemon video to get the dex order for paldea mons

you have stuff like toedscool, charcadet line, and annihilape right at the end (for the base game mons)

[spice remnant]

Another reason to hate Gen IX

[spare hare]

toedscool is probably a later addition given the whole okaking/okagyaradosu stuff

idk for sure about the others but i guess you could infer that

[warped ferry]

also they had to do a bit of dex finangling to make sure gholdengo was #1000

i.e. moving roaring moon and iron valiant to be after the rest of the paradox mons

[harsh lion]

(but not including gen 3)

[spice remnant]

a

[harsh lion]

never forget...

[spare hare]

oh yeah for sure

but gen 9's index numbering is waaay off even without that

off from the nat dex numbering i mean

[tropic pollen]

Toedscool line is probably the very last addition because Mycelium Might is listed as the very last ability added

[harsh lion]

lol that's insane

[warped ferry]

they had to make sure first thing that dudunsparce was in the game

[harsh lion]

oddly kingambit and clodsire come before annihilape too

[spare hare]

give the guy who submitted toedscool at the last minute a gold star

[spare hare]

it's kinda fucked

you can kinda see some logic for the regular pokemon before the paradoxes

[harsh lion]

I figure the gyarados concept either was redundant because or got turned into orthworm right

[spare hare]

bc the pokemon are roughly grouped by typing

[tropic pollen]

[spice remnant]

I am way too lazy to watch this video but I love how I can neither understand what the thumbnail text or title are even trying to say

[spare hare]

yeah that makes the most sense from what we know

[harsh lion]

||I like how this also assumes the left circles are for shaymin and manaphy lol||

[spice timber]

dudunsparce into tarountula true combo

[spice remnant]

"What Pokemon made this mess?" Arceus who the fuck else??????

[spare hare]

insert that one inside out image with ||gyarados||

[tranquil laurel]

NnoooOOOO

[harsh lion]

"What Pokemon Made This Mess?" actually refers to ||metagross||, who played a very important role in the creation of the world, hope this helps

[spice remnant]

Clearly what this means is I should become a Pokemon lore vtuber and make a video about the canon sinnoh myths vs the proto myths

[tranquil laurel]

I think it means like

What made (up) this mess??

[spice remnant]

I guess?

[wanton trail]

hang on

||does anyone have a link to that leak that was basically the story of creation||

[slow orchid]

||Charizard line getting special treatment again smh||

[stoic kindle]

Here you go

[echo bone]

I think this was the prototype shiny

[wanton trail]

Ugh I hate catching up on the leaks

[shell sand]

that doesnt really make sense with what we now know

[wanton trail]

Did it have to be a full terabyte

[shell sand]

also it didnt really have a shine sparkle in the video it appeared in

the sparkles that appear is just part of the trading visuals

[echo bone]

what if shiny sparkles were being phased out back then.................

idk to me it looks like a
shiny edit since the color looks like the default but slightly hue shifted

[shell sand]

this is why i asked for an image of Gogoat from one of the XY betas

i wanted ocnfirmation

[slow orchid]

There was also skrelp
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1294805371072024668/1294918710368141365/Pokemon_XY_Sludge_Bomb_Pre.png?ex=67100e46&is=670ebcc6&hm=ee4bc723148b8b617d690c2a8d0889c8d4adc39dfd34b87dbdc12a18499b04a4&

[shell sand]

yeah

theres a lot of color changes

[spare hare]

do we know where we're at in the xy leaks rn?

[shell sand]

the first betas of XY mons were mostly color changes

[spare hare]

are we still on the second build

[shell sand]

this is why i want to see them in PNG form

[shell sand]

3rd and 4th

[spare hare]

oh ok thanks

[slow orchid]

Out of 7 right?

[wanton trail]

Uh

||y’all remember the arceus symbol leake right||

||was there anything else in that specific section||

[spare hare]

yes

[spice remnant]

Oops missed this
I think all the builds are either so old they have pngs or so close to final people don't even know what differences those builds have to final besides music

[echo bone]

https://youtu.be/-u7YYjDvbj4?t=33 it has a sparkle but i can't tell if it's the shiny one lol

[shell sand]

again thats just regular trading

[echo bone]

i guess people back then thought it was a shiny because of the then unseen gen 6 shiny sparkle and the same video having a normal colored gogoat

[echo bone]

chat what if it was gonna be like the stadium nickname colors......................................

[shell sand]

ping me if gogoats seen or whatever

[spice remnant]

pisskachu

[echo bone]

breaking news he's always yellow!

redundancy

[wanton trail]

Omfg

Trying to look for a specific leak is pain

Could we have just like… had 1 gig leaked per month or smth

[echo bone]

ño

it'd take 83 years for that

[shell sand]

You could ask

[spare hare]

[wanton trail]

I figured

Anyways I found what i was looking for

[wanton trail]

So, just to recap: the things leaked were

• ||beta sprites for gens 3-5||
• ||beta designs for trainers and lines||
• ||beta stats||
• ||early builds of Generation 6 plus leaked mega stuff||
• ||lore we do not talk about||
• ||Arceus lore||
• ||Z-A stuff||
• ||Gen 10 stuff (wtf)||

[runic prawn]

sorry

for my pin

[wanton trail]

Oops

Forgot to spoiler one, mb

[echo bone]

https://youtu.be/mSwJjmFilrU?t=136 huh haunter had a yellow tongue

[shell sand]

this is not even all of it

[echo bone]

in 2:16

[shell sand]

the general gist is just

[wanton trail]

How many days ago did this happen

Like

4 or smth

[shell sand]

Gen 3 Beta and Prototypes
Gen 3 Developer Documentation
Gen 4 Beta and Prototypes
Gen 5 Beta and Prototypes

[wanton trail]

Yeah

[shell sand]

i pressed enter before i was odne oopps

[wanton trail]

Crazy stuff

[shell sand]

but like

[spice remnant]

Ok actually I think
I don't think this is an early gogoat coloring
I think the video file itself for this scene just has its color fucked
I know there's more footage of gogoat later in this video with different colors but still I think it might be that trading video just has broken colors

[echo bone]

and gen 6 aliens

[shell sand]

its not just "the sprites"

[wanton trail]

Dude we got files on like

Every single gen

[shell sand]

yuh

[echo bone]

the background looks normal to me

[shell sand]

its not really helpful to be specific at this point theres too much info

[wanton trail]

Obviously im not camping the channel for leaks like y’all so i barely know anything

[spice remnant]

Cause like look at the colors in general I think every single color in that footage is mismatched
Even helioptile looks a bit too yellow?

[echo bone]

oh

[shell sand]

OH MY GOD

LMAO

GOD DAMNIT

[spice remnant]

Idk it could also be that they changed every color in the trading scene too

[wanton trail]

Just

How does one even get their hands on that much data in the first place jfc

[shell sand]

well theres builds 5 6 and 7 left to go!

who can say

[shell sand]

phishing scam

[echo bone]

though i'm not buying the video colors being just fucked otherwise those pokeball floors wouldn't be green, they'd be purple if the background is indigo

[wanton trail]

Are you being serious

[shell sand]

i am benig serious

[wanton trail]

That’s how all this data was obtained?

THERE’S NO FUCKING SHOT WHAT

[shell sand]

phishing scam -> access to a nintendo admin's account -> grab the data available to them

[spice remnant]

Well here's one build with gogoat that has final colorings at least

[spare hare]

it is slightly different but it's not nearly as drastic as gogoat is in that image

[shell sand]

Uhm

that sure is Florges

[wanton trail]

Wdym this is clearly a ||florges||

[spice remnant]

With Hyperspace Hole

[wanton trail]

Confusion too

[shell sand]

------------

[wanton trail]

Lineposting

[echo bone]

like i hueshifted the thing to be even more purple and the floor is nowhere near as green

[wanton trail]

All i really know about the leaks is the fact that we got insane data on ||future games and the next switch + builds and prototypes of EVERYTHING for pretty much all gens and the part of the leak that’s being memed to hell and back online||

[spice remnant]

Ruby Sapphire aesthetic

[shell sand]

true

sapphire box art :)

[wanton trail]

Dude

This leak has its own iceberg istf

[echo bone]

yeah it's not a video glitch

i hueshifted gogoat back to normal in the upper one and helioptile is too orange

helioptile's fine

it's just gogoat's texture being hueshifted for some reason

[wanton trail]

Oh

And

[shell sand]

man they were really fiddling with the color schemes even when they started phasing out the pngs

[wanton trail]

Before i forget

||anymore news on Synpase?||

[shell sand]

no

[wanton trail]

Figures

[shell sand]

i owuldnt post about unreleased stuff nayways

[wanton trail]

Clay have you just been on twitter since the leak came out

Like, looking for data and stuff

[shell sand]

ive been in the vp threads

[spare hare]

tbh we might have to quarantine the leaks if we actually get full unreleased shit

[wanton trail]

Oh

[shell sand]

scouring the worst people's nonsense

[echo bone]

i hope so

[wanton trail]

I see

[wanton trail]

I genuinely hope so

We might actually need another channel for just this leak holy shit

[shell sand]

speaking of which this is interesting (DP beta) they werent sure what types to give Palkia

[wanton trail]

||ice/dragon|| would’ve been fire

[spare hare]

mostly so that people can easily ignore it if they want while talking about the beta

[wanton trail]

Yeah

Also because a separate channel could act as a database for everything covered here

[echo bone]

damn

[wanton trail]

I cannot wait for the 2 hour long video covering everything release lmao

[echo bone]

||ice would have been cool since space is cold..................||

[wanton trail]

Im just catching up via videos

[shell sand]

sounds good for a general overview

feel free to ask anything speciifc here

[wanton trail]

Yeah

[spice remnant]

aw that's crazy

[wanton trail]

||Gaia piques my interest a lot imma be real. I saw someone calling it “Pokemon Wind and Waves” in a tyranitarTube video, so I’m honestly gonna use the terms interchangeably for the time being, but I won’t discuss it unless its relevant||

[wanton trail]

This looks so plain wtf

[shell sand]

NEW YORK. CONCRETE JUNGLE WHERE DREAMS ARE MADE OF

[spice remnant]

This might have to do with the fact of which of ||Ia and Ea|| are Palkia and Dialga

[wanton trail]

||Ia is palkia right||

[spice remnant]

||Ea is consistently the god of time while Ia swaps between god of light and god of space
Ea is also more consistently the pearl while Ia is the diamond||

[wanton trail]

Oh interesting

[tropic pollen]

Pre-release Serena colors omg

[wanton trail]

||so they’re interchangeable||

[shell sand]

Pre-release serena colros are so weird wait

[echo bone]

she went broly

[shell sand]

they had the proper colors in older betas

what the fuck happened to the colors in this video

[wanton trail]

Omg wait

Wait question

||doesnt the leaker have the entire source code for both gaia and za||

[shell sand]

it hasnt been posted

[echo bone]

yeah a bunch of textures are just
hueshifted lol

[wanton trail]

Im pretty sure the leaker said they do

[shell sand]

no as in they havent posted it yet

[wanton trail]

Ohh

[spice remnant]

who cares about ||gaia|| anyway lol

[shell sand]

i dont care much about modern mons

[wanton trail]

I would spoiler that

[shell sand]

but i do love seeing development insight and shenanigans

[wanton trail]

Based

[tropic pollen]

Define “modern”

[wanton trail]

Im just gathering the bits and pieces tbh

[shell sand]

switch onwards

[spice remnant]

Oh that answers the victini dex question

[wanton trail]

there’s so much to unpack and like

Jeez

[shell sand]

velma scooby doo

[spice remnant]

Somebody asked yesterday where this was from apparently this was in the files related to BW

[shell sand]

can that handwriting even be read

[spice remnant]

yea

[shell sand]

I see!

[tropic pollen]

So i do have the qualifications to be a GF employee

[spice remnant]

Actually I have no idea what the fuck this is at the end
Exclamation marks?

[tropic pollen]

Clearly its 3

[spare hare]

.:|:;

[tropic pollen]

BW3

[spice remnant]

But basically its just like
あ、やせいのピカチュウだつ
Ah, a wild Pikachu appeared or something

Except Pikachu seems to be misspelled

Pikachu is ピカチュウ pikachuu while they wrote ピカチュー pikachu-

[shell sand]

if i was an employee during g en 5 and seeing that on the proposal document i think it would be a core memory

[spice remnant]

I think the pikachu's pose speaks to me

[rose junco]

oh, interesting

[spice remnant]

||https://youtu.be/KngP-7HyeeQ||
BW character sprites on handcam lol

[shell sand]

I really wanna know what meloetta was supposed to be

[spice remnant]

I think more interesting is the internal names (Idk if this could be seen in the final game's data somewhere, probably tbh but) ||Anthea is labeled as Goddess||

Oh they're just
Goddesses in the final game too but only in Jaapnese

[shell sand]

Huh

what the FUCK was the Ghetsis/team plasma lore

[spice remnant]

Me when the black white localization

[spice remnant]

Apparently the Japanese names listened Verbana and Helena are only from the manga

[shell sand]

wait so they wernet evn named in jp

[runic prawn]

wtf

[spice remnant]

Are they even named in the game at all actually
Not like name-name like
Does the game ever refer to them by any name at all

[shell sand]

i forget

theyre really rare to encounter in the games

also i found these icons in a spreadsheet with an overall title of "roulette icons" and im trying to remember if there was a roulette mode in gen 5

[spice remnant]

Ok no they're not named ingame
https://x.com/matsumiyan/status/314678782697029632
Rather the writer for BW tweeted their names

マツミや (@matsumiyan) on X

ポケモンＢＷ/ＢＷ２

愛の女神＝バーベナ
・クマツヅラ科の植物
・花言葉は「優しい愛」
・バーベナという植物名は
　古いラテン語が由来

平和の女神＝ヘレナ
・オリーブの一種
・オリーブの花言葉は「平和・知恵」
・ヘレナ自体はラテン語の女性名

Twitter · Mar 21, 2013, 10:04 AM

[shell sand]

2013...

damn

[spice remnant]

Wait no they do tell you their names in game

[shell sand]

i found a document where they were deciding types for gen 5's gyms

[spice remnant]

Ok so in the game in Jp they just go "I am the goddess of love" and same for peace

[shell sand]

I see

theyre so extra

Oh

i found the notes for how the cities would look like

they had ideas for making each city different between B and W

instead of just Opelucid

[rose junco]

oh did you get the docs yourself now

[arctic bobcat]

I think that's an actual nightmare some pokemon devs would have

imagine this affecting the anime

[shell sand]

i found a program that could open the xls

but not the docs

[rose junco]

ah

[shell sand]

theres a file here that just notes which things in the overworld should stay sprites on flat panes like in Gen 4 and what shouldnt lol

[echo bone]

https://tenor.com/view/concord-lennox-shooter-alien-scifi-gif-4555792696943972423

[spice remnant]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295314025025896458/1295844131129786500/633.png?ex=67102064&is=670ecee4&hm=a23477bd04316a9cb2028f6c9e0c1fc440abde3d997223b0978ca78d77a3dfdb&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295314025025896458/1295844131435712553/634.png?ex=67102064&is=670ecee4&hm=6e82095445159a41b089b13c523ab5d667047815339c79b62ded5e73b47fc3d6& ||
Deino Zweilous early colors ayo

[velvet bobcat]

oh that first one is so cool

[rough kelp]

you don't have to imagine (version exclusive movie)

[arctic bobcat]

yeah but that was at least a one off location in a movie that reused most of the same scenes

[rough kelp]

oh i was more talking about having to redo every part with zekrom/reshiram

[shell sand]

Oh no they got kalos washed out this early /j

Oh i foudn the trainer classes for DP

it explains which trianer clases are dedicated to which mons

[echo bone]

holy shit i found a sculpt of beta zweilous???

[shell sand]

theres a graphic here that explains how the touch screen buttons should be rendered

its basically saying, the orientation depends on the top screen's visual

really neat

Gen 4 contest concept art

[spare hare]

‼️

i love them

[wanton trail]

Same

[warped ferry]

||the "Winds and Waves" thing comes from how the codenames for the two versions of gen 10 are "K" and "N", which some fans speculate are short for kaze (wind) and nami (wave)||

[shell sand]

oh. so thats where the beastles are

[echo bone]

no way one piece??????

[warped ferry]

ik this topic is from yesterday but i just remembered one of the biggest offenders of weird-ass renders in gen 9

[shell sand]

vine boom eyebrow raise

[spice remnant]

OH
I saw this like 2 days ago but forgot to post it
Early localization version of XY

[echo bone]

idle

[shell sand]

i forgot that they used bw sprites instead of colored artwork for the older mons

[spice remnant]

I just like the funny paint ENG over the type textures

[shell sand]

its truly in english

[spice remnant]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295314093837652001/1295848703252500581/XY_scrapped_diving_mechanic.mp4?ex=671024a6&is=670ed326&hm=c573e140e5f227735ae76a46b2abc4c943ec4a966088bbd7f28cc1376171363b&|| Diving

[north fjord]

I’m surprised that GF actually had the localized copy

I assumed that would be something you’d see in the Treehouse’s servers

[spice remnant]

Localization isn't separate versions anymore by this point

[north fjord]

Right yeah they just started allowing language select around this time

[shell sand]

yeah its more like multiple teams started working together

[spice remnant]

My bestie................

[spare hare]

✌️

[shell sand]

is that a rotation batle

[spice remnant]

Yea

[shell sand]

damn

[spice remnant]

Honestly I forgot rotation and triple battles were in Gen VI

[north fjord]

What if you were turned into a 2D png one day stuck rendered in a pose wwyd

[shell sand]

they basically made no in-game trainer do it besides 1 guy iirc

[echo bone]

i'd possess the nearest smash fighter possible that fits my personality

[north fjord]

Mario

[echo bone]

what color

[north fjord]

Green

[echo bone]

real????????

[rose junco]

looking at RS stuff again, found yet another Pokemon list lol

don't see anything too new in here unfortunately

[tropic pollen]

https://x.com/tahk0/status/1846272810970431488?s=46&t=i2BZOfT9FAhyHVe1iyXCNA

TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) on X

not gonna share it, but they brought back an early design idea over 10 years later for mega sableye and now that likely can’t happen again for any of the designs people are celebrating right now because they were stolen

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 7:31 PM

What do we think of this

There is legal basis and different similar cases for this opinion

[spice timber]

why could it not happen?

[stoic kindle]

Not that I can think of

[spice timber]

couldn't they use a similar design instead of a 1:1 design?

[stoic kindle]

Also I don't think that how it works

[spice timber]

for the sableye, they brought back the concept, but not the entire original mon

[echo bone]

tbh this time we aren't missing much so LOL

[marble sand]

I agree with this sentiment on the principle that they probably don't wanna reuse designs now that the public knows they're being reused. Sure we got brief glimpses of stuff like Latiken in the past but there's a reason they keep this stuff under wraps - they wanna be able to return to it at any time. Now that it's all known it's way less likely they'll be willing to use older concepts

Biggest loss is ||bowling pin penguin||

[cerulean bluff]

i wouldnt say thats always the case. case in point, kirby

morpho knight wouldnt even be brought back at all if he didnt become notorious in the fanbase

[spice timber]

biggest loss is easily ||evolotto||

though i feel like that mon was cut more because of how insane it is

oh

[marble sand]

Hal is way different than GF though - I feel like they don't care as much (to the point they've actually published art books full of unused stuff) whereas GF really doesn't want you to see all the unused designs they've been cooking

[spice timber]

apparently the xy staff folder is next

which is where we get all the concept art

[cerulean bluff]

i mean they do share and talk about unused concepts sometimes

otherwise we wouldnt know about gorochu

[spice timber]

gf has mentioned a few designs before

like the shell amphibian mon from gen 5 that was found in the leaks

[marble sand]

It's true every now and then we get a glimpse yeah. But we only got little things here and there - and absolutely nothing in the modern day

[cerulean bluff]

its not as extensive but i think its moreso to do with the fact that pokemon games for some reason never get art books

literally bizarre if you ask me

[spice timber]

if we get a bunch of mega leaks

would they not show up in z-a?

[spare hare]

i think it would be different for z-a even if that was true since that's already been developed

[cerulean bluff]

yeah like

i dont think they will deliberately alter z-a because of this leak

[spare hare]

if the game really is finished enough to the point that you can beat the main story, doesn't make sense for them to scrap all the time they already put into it

[cerulean bluff]

besides whenever they revisit older concepts

its never 1:1

they are always modified in some way

[spice timber]

yeah

like the aforementioned mega sableye

[cerulean bluff]

you can trace to the original idea but its not literally as simple as reusing older design

[rose junco]

yeah, most we get is like finalized reference sheets in some things

[spare hare]

i don't think it would matter for the most immediate games

[rose junco]

oh yeah btw is there any gen 3 Pokemon who we know the designer of or nah

[echo bone]

and also because a huge chunk of the fanbase already isn't old enough to wander around the internet or even play RPGs proper so that wouldn't affect them either lol

[spare hare]

tbh i'm not sure it really would matter that much overall either

[echo bone]

yep

[spare hare]

idk, i mean i doubt we were going to see most of these return directly anyways

concepts alone could still easily return

[harsh lion]

honestly tho to be fair

[echo bone]

yeah I feel the only concepts that were worth revisiting of some of these leaks have already been revisited

[harsh lion]

if you look at the scraggy looking guy from the gen 3 betas and the Actual Scraggy we got in BW

i feel like

[echo bone]

i don't think we were gonna get one eared rabbit in any future game

[spare hare]

i like the colors on ||the gen 3 scraggy||

blinding

[spice timber]

i feel like nothing's stopping them from just reusing concepts

[harsh lion]

the swimming rabbit or the flying white thing could be reworked into something more appealing just fine

[spice timber]

hell, in a perfect world they'd make some mons specifically based on concepts that people liked from the leaks

like the maracas ghost

[echo bone]

like....
"and now that likely can’t happen again for any of the designs people are celebrating right now because they were stolen"

bruh they're videogame makers their job is come up with new shit anyways

is it that much of a loss they're not revisiting some of the rejected mons in gen 3

like what, they're not gonna revisit these old concepts because they ended up stolen to the public?
cool, they simply wouldn't use their backlog then and just do new concepts, as their job requires

[cerulean bluff]

tbh this leak exposes one major thing that was evident for a while but became especially apparent now

[marble sand]

I'm sure having access to all the older ideas is helpful though

[cerulean bluff]

a lot of pokemon fans are just straight up idiots

[shell sand]

i dont the desgins thing matters

[cerulean bluff]

people just say anything because they don't know how anything works.

[shell sand]

theyve literally pulled the same concepts again and again

from the same place

[stoic kindle]

Bird

[echo bone]

and they literally ended up revisiting stuff from those concepts in later gens that have come out decades ago lol

[shell sand]

yeah like everyone was talking about wooper and then bam

paldean wooper

they dont really care

[spare hare]

i mean i don't think they're going to upend their entire process just bc of these leaks bc like

90% of game freak was leaked

[harsh lion]

they should CANCEL z-a

[cerulean bluff]

yeah

[spare hare]

what are they gonna do otherwise lol

[echo bone]

i just feel the sentiment is very stupid to have any stance on the designs being stolen

[cerulean bluff]

itd be like just completely ceasing the franchise to exist at this point

[cerulean bluff]

i saw someone insinuate that if z-a beta build leaks the game will never come out

boy howdy do i have news for you (games leaked before the release before and they came out after all)

[echo bone]

the new fans that bloom daily don't even know what a game freak is probably

[cerulean bluff]

i hope this doesnt happen because its stupid

but like. guys. why would they not release it lol

[spare hare]

yea most of the casual audience has no idea this is even going on

[echo bone]

they're too used to fandom drama i guess

[stoic kindle]

(half life 2 beta)

[echo bone]

like some fan cancelling his project because it got leaked i can see that

[stoic kindle]

((like every fucking Nintendo game of recent time))

[cerulean bluff]

gta 6

[echo bone]

a major corporation isn't doing that lol

especially one that moves the plush and toy industry endlessly like TPC

[spice timber]

i wouldn't be surprised if that one movie concept is never gonna happen now that it's been leaked

[cerulean bluff]

pokemon legends arceus shit leaked also waaaaaaay before it was formally announced

i was literally HERE for that

in this very server

the game came out okay

[stoic kindle]

The only time I remember leaks that might of actually maybe cancelled something was like
A loz Netflix show that was reportably cancelled due to leaks

[echo bone]

the upcoming one? was most likely in hiatus anyways

[spice timber]

yeah

the one in jail

[shell sand]

loz as in zelda

????????

[cerulean bluff]

yeah

[spare hare]

yeah zelda

[cerulean bluff]

legends of zelda netflix show

[shell sand]

i dont think it wouldve been cancelled bc of leaks

[wanton trail]

what

[echo bone]

if it doesn't come out i don't think it'd be just because of the leak LOL

[cerulean bluff]

honestly i call bs on it being cancelled due to information being leaked, more likely is that the idea of the IP being adapted into live action movie was more lucrative and prestigious

[arctic bobcat]

it was canceled because they found out who leaked it

[cerulean bluff]

so they focused on that and the tv-series project was deemed unneccessary

thats what i think anyawy

[wanton trail]

What happened?

[echo bone]

like that upcoming 2d pokemon movie was likely already in production and facing production issues if it wasn't out by now

[arctic bobcat]

it was netflix, they leaked their own discussion

[cerulean bluff]

yeah it was literally described internally to be in dev hell

[wanton trail]

What is this

[cerulean bluff]

it was in development since 2021

[stoic kindle]

Well that's one way to drum up hype...

[spice timber]

scrunglo

skrunkly

glup shitto

glungus

[wanton trail]

?

[spice timber]

him...

[shell sand]

let me get a photo

[wanton trail]

I dont get it

[wanton trail]

OH THAT GUY

[echo bone]

also these descriptors don't help for someone who hasn't been keeping track

[wanton trail]

This is a fucking crazy concept

[echo bone]

or in general

[spice timber]

the concept iirc was that ||it would randomly evolve into any pokemon, and its lore was that it was just a mysterious homunculus thing that was scientifically anomalous||

[wanton trail]

Yeah

[arctic bobcat]

its a funny concept but otherwise a very unremarkable placeholder appearance-wise

[wanton trail]

||Homunculus????||

||what so they got fullmetal alchemist in pokemon now||

[rose junco]

really, lot of the future projects mentioned in here feel that way

[spice timber]

OH wait not really

not a ||homunculus, just a weird ass mon||

[wanton trail]

Oh okay got it

[shell sand]

pokemon company is dire

[west bramble]

they made PokeRandoZX real

[spice timber]

i know, it just gives me dopamine whenever i see it

[rose junco]

||or at least for Detective Pikachu sequel lol||

[spice timber]

apologies

[wanton trail]

Mentioned where??

[rose junco]

in the folder with all the anime, movie, etc. projects

[echo bone]

also huh had no idea that was the gimmick
||would have been cool, i thought it was an eevee clone||

[wanton trail]

Oh

I see

[spice timber]

oh you know what

[wanton trail]

||I thought evolotto was an eevee evolution for a sec||

[spice timber]

that one movie was probably the one khu was talking about when he was talking about ||an extra gen 9 mythical||

[velvet bobcat]

||this would be so fun man such a shame it was scrapped||

[echo bone]

anyhow I feel anyone in the production would be less concerned that the movie idea got leaked out and more that the company suffered a leak that got their personal data out into the internet

[velvet bobcat]

||yea that checks out||

[arctic bobcat]

||i assume logistically they didn't want to figure out which pokemon should be blacklisted because i doubt they would want people to evolve their thing into legendaries||

[wanton trail]

Yeah same

[velvet bobcat]

||it was like a little dog or something?||

[spice timber]

yeah, ||toby fox esque dog thing||

[arctic bobcat]

||if you can call a balloon art dog a dog||

[wanton trail]

||toby fox mythical||

[velvet bobcat]

||fidough 2||

[wanton trail]

||what does the mythical look like||

[echo bone]

or ||evolving into babies or an unfitting first phase form||

[arctic bobcat]

||we call that reincarnation||

[spice timber]

from this poster

[arctic bobcat]

||ngl it's so unpokemon like if i had to say so||

[shell sand]

its cocnept art with jp text on it

i dont think it was meant to be "served" "as is"

[wanton trail]

Raw asf

[velvet bobcat]

||looks like a generic animal anime mascot||

[arctic bobcat]

||it just seems totally indescript and designed to mass appeal via cuteness||

[wanton trail]

||puppy||

[wanton trail]

||i imagine its actual in-game gimmick is that it blows up the world or smth||

[velvet bobcat]

||weird how it looks like fidough so much tho, another pale small dog in the same gen||

[echo bone]

it looks like a digimon

[arctic bobcat]

||i actually assume its a bit longer since the tail peeks behind her so probably its probably ferret like||

[velvet bobcat]

oh thats better

[wanton trail]

||im theorizing that it was actually fidough before they were like “wait, lets just make this a normal pokemon||

[arctic bobcat]

||but like it just seems like a generic cute noodle mammal||

[wanton trail]

||if the poster is anything to go off of, this dog has spatial-warping abilities of some sort||

[spice timber]

||teradogos||

[wanton trail]

||but why only flying types?||

||who is that girl?||

||is this synapse or smth||

[arctic bobcat]

||because all the non-flying types are not able to be seen in the air||

[rose junco]

still looking at RS stuff, found an item doc
||HM06 was Whirlpool instead of Rock Smash at some point like in gen 2||

[shell sand]

its just a movie

theres no info about ||Synapse||

[wanton trail]

||some dragons can float. Solrock and lunatone float. Alakazam can hover, several ghost types can too. Hydreigon, latias and latios…||

[shell sand]

i dont think any question asked rn would lead to an answer

its just a concept poster for a movie we havent seen yet

[rose junco]

||okay just glancing at the TMs and other items I think most if not all of those match gen 2 too||

[shell sand]

|| https://x.com/Lewchube/status/1846145451550007746?t=kZjGl_mpBsQUM0KmQx3utQ&s=19 ||

Lewtwo (@Lewchube) on X

the Pokémon news reveals that Platinum and HGSS both began simultaneous development in November 2006, and faced no internal delays.

this was alongside a near-finished non-Pokémon RPG called Present Party, directed by Shigeru Ohmori.

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 11:05 AM

help them

[rose junco]

oh found doc describing place concepts

also found that one character doc
probably will look at them more later

[grizzled turret]

Ohmori when I catch you

[shell sand]

why

[north fjord]

|| https://x.com/waifuartz/status/1846239631081161020?s=46&t=LzKLhuw4HFKYNu6F1W9gLQ ||

waifu (waifuarts@bsky/threads/insta/tumblr) (@waifuartz) on X

my darling Evolotto

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 5:20 PM

[red garden]

||Beta skyla looks like shes a flying type elesa convergent evo|| 😭

[tropic pollen]

||Homonculus with insane wurmple effect would go so hard, its like eevee but with gambling||

Oh my god

12 years later and the memetic impact is entirely different

How

[shell sand]

oh yeah

[north fjord]

||Calem I’m watching your stream why you trying not to laugh bro||

[shell sand]

XY settled with the character always in perpetual poker face and then SM setlled with perpetual smile

[grizzled turret]

Nothin personel kid

[opaque marsh]

||aww 🥺the wittle ,gmrogugmtasgmtg,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ||

||also the idea of Evolotto is honestly pretty interesting, (assuming there's limits on what it can randomly evolve into)||

[spice timber]

it could work if ||it was once per save file (or extremely rare) and couldn't evolve into legendaries||

[opaque marsh]

||Agreed, if it could evolve into legendaries that would be horrible||

||Also if you found a shiny Evolotto would it randomly evolve into a shiny lol ||

[young path]

Lmao the experience of coming into this chat, my scroll to bottom being interrupted for no reason, so im reading leaks and its all scarlet and violet discussion and it takes me like 5 mins to realize

[opaque marsh]

lol damn

[surreal vault]

||Evolotto would be crazy for RNG manipulation||

[tropic pollen]

Oh update about this design

Its by Jun Okitani, someone who’s also designed monsters for the Xenoblade series

[proven bay]

That's crazy lmao

honestly I want this design back

It feels kinda reminiscent of MissingNo

[grand crown]

was the horrifying Metagross by them too?

[opaque marsh]

||mega unown /j||

[rough kelp]

finally, rock/ghost

(i feel like i make this same joke the first time this was posted but I have no such memory)

real predictable

[spice remnant]

Tbh whatever
Before we found out that's what mega sableye was it was just an 'eh ok' mega anyway
It's like 'wow you're celebrating the fact that m-sableye is cool b/c its a reference to a scrapped design but by seeing all these scrapped designs they can't do that again' and it's like
Ok well we wouldn't be celebrating m-sableye in the first place if we didn't see the scrapped design

[spice remnant]

Morpho Knight's design was something they shared by their own volition, and Kirby fans aren't dumbass Pokemon fans

[north fjord]

Eh naw Mega Sableye was a pretty popular one

To say no one gave a shit about it is disingenuous

Camerupt on the other hand

[spice timber]

mega sableye was one of the megas that actually changed the design in an interesting way

and it was like the only mega that completely changed the mon's role

[north fjord]

It was pretty popular in singles

[rough kelp]

one of the two I would say

[opaque marsh]

||I have Skylanders brainrot jelp||

[rough kelp]

banette is the other one

[opaque marsh]

ye

[rose junco]

oh wtf, that makes sense

[rough kelp]

interestingly they are the two affected the most by mega change in gen 7 (old ability no longer stay active on the mega-ing turn)

[echo bone]

Eh

I was letdown by it on release lol

[spare hare]

oh it actually did mean something

[echo bone]

At least compared to its counterpart Mawile it was viewed rather unfavorably

[tropic pollen]

Centro grasping at straws by posting a leaked storyboard of a Sun and Moon cutscene

That leaked a year ago

[rough kelp]

which one was it?

[stoic kindle]

Lol

[north fjord]

Most of what I’ve seen was praise for Mega Sableye

One of the more popular ORAS Megas

That wasn’t the box legends

[tropic pollen]

||https://vxtwitter.com/centroleaks/status/1846284568178864137?s=46&t=i2BZOfT9FAhyHVe1iyXCNA ||

Lillie leaving

[rough kelp]

oh lol

big lol

[spice timber]

oh, i think this one actually leaked today

there were like 20something versions of 2 different cutscenes

[velvet bobcat]

oh they finally cracked down sun moon?

[north fjord]

SuMo started yes

[opaque marsh]

noice

[spice remnant]

That doesn't matter

[tropic pollen]

Rly funny how more romance coded these earlier stills are

[spice remnant]

Because the context of the argument is that people are celebrating it specifically because of its reference to unused concepts

[proven bay]

||I still can't believe I'm rediscovering Lady Gaga music because one of her music was used as a test song in fucking X/Y||

[north fjord]

Okay this is true

It was a popular mega before any knowledge of scrapped concepts

[marble sand]

It's like a schrodinger's cat. in a weird way

[north fjord]

No way Schrödinger’s cat Pokémon real??? Normal/ghost real???

[marble sand]

If you open the box the mega's inspiration will be seen but no further megas will be inspired by this (if you argue that's the case anyway which I know many don't). But if you don't open the box you'll never know if the mega was inspired by a beta sprite

[tropic pollen]

I dont know if the move hit or not until i open the DS

[marble sand]

"The foe's pokemon avoided the attack!"
"Shut up"

[north fjord]

The idea of the argument is that now that we’ve seen these scrapped concepts, they’re very likely not to get revisited later since the surprise is gone

Which isn’t that great of an argument but that’s what it is

[spice timber]

idk if "the surprise is gone" is a good factor to judge stuff on when we've consistently had regional normal types, regional birds, regional bugs and regional pikaclones every single generation

[spice remnant]

Like I was around listening to the days when gernwunners would complain about things like tirtouga and hitmontop and tyranitar saying things like 'pokemon gen I had hundreds of designs and then they painstakingly cut things to the best 150 designs, meaning the scrapped ones are objectively considered by the designers to have been lower quality, yet in later generations they would bring back designs which weren't good enough for gen I which shows that pokemon's quality has dropped since Gen I'

[north fjord]

Eh that’s not really the same thing

[spice remnant]

Pokemon fans suck ass

[north fjord]

Those are archetypes not specific design inspirations

[tropic pollen]

This is a silly debate

[spice timber]

ig that's true, yeah

[marble sand]

They KNEW seel was one of the objective best designs they cooked up

[spice timber]

we'll get an actual answer if the inevitable xy concept art megas look anything like the megas we have in z-a

[terse agate]

its like if a restaurant had some some potential menu items up their sleeves to use one day as a surprise but the recipes all leaked online and everyone knew about it

[north fjord]

What if there’s Mega Beeheeyem

[spice timber]

the biggest tragedy of ||spheal becoming another generic water/ice line instead of staying a bowling ball is that it permanently overshadowed seel and dewgong||

[marble sand]

Real lmao - they just made a better design
(Though dewgong is cuter than walrein at least)

[spice timber]

i've always felt like spheal was so disconnected from its evos

it's the only one to have the rolling gimmick, and it's by far the most popular mon out of the three

knowing ||that it was supposed to be a standalone mon with a penguin counterpart makes a lot more sense||

[marble sand]

spheal regional line that emphasizes the roundness more

||god i want them to bring back the bowling pin penguin||

[north fjord]

||Regional Eiscue||

[rough kelp]

reuniclus bros we can't let meloetta win

... this is not #1032370977276960880

[north fjord]

Mega Reuniclus concept art

[marble sand]

y'know what's disappointing about all these leaks
||not a SINGLE new eeveelution. Like cmon you're telling me they've never thought to try bug? or dragon? cmoooon||

[rough kelp]

so true...

(trick room on switch-in)

[opaque marsh]

||smh they never even bothered||

||maybe we'll see a scrapped one in the sun & moon leak idk||

[rough kelp]

the only thing I want to see of possible sun/moon leak is the golf course

that we heard about but never have access to

that's also where you're supposed to meet kahili I believe?

[spice timber]

idk if this will happen, but i'd like to see concept arts for the ubs

because now we know for basically certain that that baby celesteela was real

[rough kelp]

ub concepts would go insane

heard somewhere that the UBs were designed with "things you shouldn't design normal pokémon after" philosophy in mind and that's so interesting

[surreal vault]

!
I need to see thoseeee

[rose junco]

this is especially funny since I still don't think we know of reused scrapped gen 1 designs (other than ones that got scrapped again anyway lol)? (and we haven't seen or heard much of the cut ones either, compared to gen 2-5 now)

[opaque marsh]

fr

[rough kelp]

pokémon fans: oh man I wonder what we will see in the ub concept arts
the nefarious eternatus:

[opaque marsh]

lmao

[proven bay]

This makes me wonder if Eternatus was originally meant to be an Ultra Beast but was scrapped and was repurposed for SwSh. We'll see later though

I mean, the lore of Eternatus kinda feels congruent with Ultra Beasts to some fans

[rose junco]

okay yeah there's only like 5 we know of that might have got reworked into/inspired other released stuff (but it isn't like they just reused the designs either)

[spice remnant]

||Apparently the blue Meloetta was the aria forme while the green one was pirouette||

Early gen V trainer card

He's just
Staring at me

stop it

Creatures

[tropic pollen]

||Chilli:||

[grand crown]

why is there a ford f-150 lightning parked at that chick fil a

illegally parked, actually

[marble sand]

I was under the impression he was in the drive thru line or pulling out of it

[terse agate]

y'all so when will the perpetrator be caught

also how long till sword and shield or scarlet leaks

[surreal vault]

A while. How many parts of Gen 6 are out atm?

Out of 7

[rough kelp]

they gonna put out a bounty in the next nintendo direct

[spice remnant]

The final one just released I think

[surreal vault]

Okay

So gen 8 is next then

[rose junco]

at the very least up to 6 parts (for the builds) released for XY already

[surreal vault]

Anything from the staff folder or is that locked

[rose junco]

staff-old from yesterday? remember trying to look in it and didn't see much interesting (that wasn't posted already)

[spice remnant]

Ok wait no I guess part 7 isn't out yet

Part 6 came out like a full 24h ago now so idk feet are being dragged

[spare hare]

It's the 7 parts, then staff folder, then source code iirc

Then the switch games

[terse agate]

lol

ooh and cool that gen 6 is almost done

[rose junco]

if there's newer staff folder it hasn't been posted yet (or I don't know where it is)

[terse agate]

sword and shield leaks will be so yummy

[grizzled turret]

They got switch stuff? I thought it was only up to Gen 7

My mind is being blown rn

[terse agate]

scarlet and violet source code

first nintendo switch published game to be easily moddable

[surreal vault]

They have Z-A
id be more suprised if they didn't have switch stuff

[spice timber]

i think the only games they've said they explicitly don't have a lot of are bdsp and swsh

[spice remnant]

Me crying about the lack of mid

[terse agate]

i could settle with lets go pikachu leaks then

[surreal vault]

LGPE 🔥

[terse agate]

wait a minute. LEGEND ARCEUS LEAKS?????

can the leakers hurry up please we're waiting

[grizzled turret]

I’m not convinced they have ZA personally

Might just be a long con for another day of fame

[spice remnant]

Alternate set of overworld Reshiram Zekrom

[spice remnant]

What fame
Their claim is they literally never plan to release it

That doesn't give you fame

[grizzled turret]

yo why is reshiram got the Amatarasu look

[spice remnant]

If they were just saying they'd do it last that'd be another story

[grizzled turret]

I mean this and that kinda seem to be at odds

Why inform the public about having ZA at all at that point

The fact that “I’m the guy that has this awesome game before everyone else” has to bring some sort of notoriety

Or at least attention

[surreal vault]

I'm guessing it's so people cling on to em when the rest of the data blows over.

[warped ferry]

honestly it'd be weirder if they didn't have anything z-a related considering they have a bajillion other things

[surreal vault]

Idk, leakers be weird in this community

[surreal vault]

If I chose to steal a Terabyte of Data from Gamefreak directly I'd damn well make sure I'd have the lastest Z-A build on there.

[wanton trail]

Bro

I always go to play rivals of aether and then i miss a bunch

[grizzled turret]

Not to mention the… dubious reporting of Centro

[wanton trail]

:(

[spice timber]

i think it's like

50/50 whether they drop z-a after leaking everything

[grizzled turret]

Lewtwo has already done a lot of good work debunking his weirdo claims

[wanton trail]

I hope they dont

[warped ferry]

my personal theory is that the monent z-a leaks drop nintendo's going after the leaker and the leaker knows that

[wanton trail]

Like

[spice timber]

there's an equal chance of them caving to clout and dumping z-a as this insane fucking one last thing, or just running off with the smug satisfaction that they have something no one else does

[wanton trail]

Legit i hope they dont

[terse agate]

y'all what happens after all the games data and source codes are leaked but theres still an extra 900gb of data left

[grizzled turret]

Pokémon Presents type shit for a leak cycle

[spice timber]

either way tpc is gonna find them and crucify them

[warped ferry]

what if it's all just random files that happened to be on the computet

[grizzled turret]

Was there any actual verification the leak was a terabyte or was that something people just said

[wanton trail]

They will pull a gerald robotnik on them if they do

[grizzled turret]

I know that probably sounds really stupid but I didn’t really see when this all kicked off

[terse agate]

that would be so disappointing

[spice timber]

i mean they've already crossed the line

[terse agate]

i think its just what the leaker said

[spice timber]

they were perfectly okay with just leaking the entirety of pokemon horizons

which included some pretty major spoilers for z-a and gen 10

[grizzled turret]

We’re lucky the ZA stuff and Gen 10 was rather ambiguous in the grand scheme of things

[terse agate]

they're spending their entire lifetime in prison when they're caught

[grizzled turret]

Very few concrete facts sprinkled in there

[echo bone]

ohhhh cool
honestly i feel people don't pay enough attention to the early overworld stuff since they couuld hide stuff too

[spice timber]

honestly, i really enjoy how the orange and blue are a lot more noticeable on these designs than they are in the finals

when you just look at a still image of these legendaries in the official games, they kinda look one-note

[grizzled turret]

Not immune to big fucking dragons at the same time myself

[spice remnant]

Future paradoxes be like:

[echo bone]

iirc we had some interview about them revealing they were meant to have more color, but toned it down in the final to sell the yin yang better

[spice timber]

the thing with yin and yang is that there still needs to be those little marks that show the opposite side

reshiram and zekrom are entirely white and entirely black respectively, which kinda misses the point of there being evil in good and good in evil

[spice remnant]

Reshiram has blue eyes like Zekrom's lightning and Zekrom has red eyes like Rehsiram's fire

Anyway the yin yang theming is like

Based on the box anyway

[echo bone]

i still prefer the final designs over them

i think this was the first fire type ever to straight up have no reddish color in it

[spice timber]

OH that's a good point

i literally forgot about that

[echo bone]

and the same for an electric type being all black

[spice timber]

ig it isn't exactly obvious, especially considering that zekrom and reshiram barely embody yin and yang at all in their lore

[echo bone]

i love that their fire and electric elements are present only in the animations (be it game or anime)

and they don't represent their element at all in default (palette wise)

[spice remnant]

Numel

[spice timber]

they're truth and ideals respectively, but i don't think there's any lore about those concepts intersecting outside of kyurem?

and yeah, i really like how zekrom and reshiram have their colors show in their anims

it looks really good in gen 5

[spice remnant]

They got the neon lighting

The original dragon whenever it gets designed should have RGB lighting

[rose junco]

even before that, Houndoom line (though in GS as well as Crystal's backsprite it looks reddish, but otherwise)

oops didn't mean to ping

[spice remnant]

Don't they have orange-brownish muzzles

[rose junco]

sort of but it's not that reddish

[echo bone]

that's reddish

aka anything warm

[rose junco]

in gen 3 it was made less orange lol

[spice remnant]

Miserable looking thing

[echo bone]

anime is king for that, always red pupper

why did team magma never use these in the games

[stoic kindle]

Cause they're
Fuckin idiots probably

[echo bone]

houndour line should have been another gen 2 icon that was made relevant in hoenn

[echo bone]

the dumbass camel being the ace of the evil magma team still makes me holler

[spice timber]

maxie making every team magma grunt use a pokemon that is quadruple weak to every pokemon that team aqua uses

[spice remnant]

This has been posted here before I think but looking at it again I somehow completely missed that it's literally a beheeyem

Or I guess the symbol is more so elgyem

[quaint rune]

has oras started yet

[echo bone]

https://tenor.com/view/ansem-kingdom-hearts-ora-ora-ora-jojo-punch-gif-19015765

[rose junco]

these are PokeStar Studios ones right? definitely pretty different from the final

[spice remnant]

Yea

[spare hare]

yeah the final one isn't really based on any pokemon

big shoe lmfao

[spice timber]

wait, wasn't ||monster's first sprite based on 0 from kirby||

[spice remnant]

||I think it just looked like zero in that it was round with an eye||

[spice timber]

no, it had ||the blood slits|| iirc

[torn ore]

Oh he should shut up lmao what does his know

[echo bone]

all these look like assets for a different type of game when put together lol

||god i love pokestar's designs||

[spice timber]

the only "bad news" here is that khu's gonna be irrelevant for the next 2 years, and idk if that exactly qualifies as bad news

[spice remnant]

Oh wait the second image is the final sprites pretty sure

[spice timber]

bro's just fearmongering about the leaks causing delays

[echo bone]

jk.dbjffbhdfjnbf this is so funny

bro they're a fucking company they're not delaying anything if some internet nerds talk about the leaked stuff online 😭

it'll still guarantee purchases so i don't see any projects stopping

i'd be more concerned if any employees were to quit game freak after the security breach knowing the company compromised them

[rough kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-care-ogerpon-pokemon-scizor-i-do-not-care-gif-3834161043507913557

[formal nimbus]

Just to have a random debunk

I saw someone quoting the leaker saying he revealed the starters for ZA

The leaker didn't say anything about that

The leaker only said one thing about ZA, and believe me, this info is so little I don't think it's even worth putting a spoiler but I'll do it anyway:
||He just said the shiny sound effect is the same as PLA||

[rose junco]

||and specifically he got a full odds Shiny Stunfisk||, but that's not much either lol

[spare hare]

yea no one has posted about that starter thing here

[formal nimbus]

Yeah but you have been warned, it's just fake bullshit because gotta love people being stupid

[spare hare]

when the misinformation is easily spread

[spice remnant]

Guys I just heard this amazing rumor
The leader leaked the ZA starters they're Pikachu Burning Leo and Julian Rosenthal

[marble sand]

They better not make julian another fucking biped i swear to god

[spice remnant]

Please forward this to centro so they can post about it immediately

[spare hare]

i always knew burning leo was french

[spice remnant]

🥖

[torn ore]

Apparently the last XY file is gonna be 30GB big lmao

[spice timber]

that's the dev folder iirc

not the last file

[quaint rune]

when ORAS

😁

[spice remnant]

never

[quaint rune]

me in 14 years when the gen 16 leaks finally begin

[stoic kindle]

Sorry
Ated it

[quaint rune]

including the sword shield remake

[torn ore]

With all the concepts n stuff

Gonna be real interesting

[spare hare]

that's the real shit

[marble sand]

we're gonna find a conversation of them saying "Guys, do you think this alien plotline is a bad idea?"

Trust.

[spare hare]

we're gonna find a conversation of them saying "Guys, wouldn't it be really fucking funny if one of us posted this huge ass alien plot on 4chan and pretended as if it was a scrapped concept?"

[marble sand]

This may be the case.

[spice remnant]

I can't wait for the 60 different versions of the Kalos Government Top Secret Documents that detail how the aliens abducted humans for experiments

[spare hare]

[shell sand]

theres been sun moon stuff starting to float around

[shell sand]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-foxAjk7zZM || someone playing around with one of the Gen 5 roms

[slow orchid]

Is the ||XY being a trilogy stuff real?||

||i've seen it floating around but i'm not sure if its legit||

[spice timber]

not sure if it's real, but here's the context for this
||https://fxtwitter.com/g_santosn/status/1845698983408050486?t=-iuyVyEapinWSIOpaP2OKg&s=19 ||

[slow orchid]

Yeah thats what i saw but i'm not sure if its real is the problem

[shell sand]

i dont think you can fake these detailed files

[slow orchid]

||moreso confused on XY3 cause i know XY2 was real||

[shell sand]

i'm obliged to believe its believable until proven otherwise

its just we odnt know wtf it actually means

[marble sand]

||https://x.com/meow_wows/status/1846096533600530477 ||
||Evolotto|| angst??? love it

「Rel」 (@meow_wows) on X

so evolotto could evolve into ANY pokemon huh
#pokemon #gigaleak

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 7:51 AM

[shell sand]

i think those two have an extremely good synergy with each other

a silly goofy little creature that was meant to be an ||evolution lottery||
vs
straight up ||god almighty who was born from an egg||

[shell sand]

lmao b2w2 fantina's sprite couldve been way more extra

[spice remnant]

|| https://i.gyazo.com/d45952addeda0966f16c277bde37537c.mp4 ||

Oop

He zoomin

[shell sand]

HES SO TINY

wait oh god

it was going to be a full circle instead of a half circle

[spice remnant]

Yea castelia was basically lumiose before lumiose

They’ve shown concept art of the town center before which looked like the town was a circle too

|| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1295314025025896458/1296006666042605590/r2523_pkmn_white_ho-oh_and_lugia_early_battle_themes.mp4?ex=6710b7c3&is=670f6643&hm=3a49e68b42849236fe1d093d9c4bf2bddd4c4e38c313ec1651e94ef3d85bd27a&||

Early ho oh theme in bw files

Sounds like what you’d get asking AI to continue a piece of music

[shell sand]

why was he editing already exisitng battle themes to make new ones lol

wait no

this is early HGSS themes in bw?

[spice remnant]

Yea

[shell sand]

or is it early resh/zek

ah

i comperehnd

[spice remnant]

Remember that hgss and bw are developed side by side

[shell sand]

I DO NOT REMEMBER

[spice remnant]

Which is why most bw sprites are based on plat rather than hgss

[shell sand]

THATS NEWS TO ME

dear lord save this dev team

how are they not tired

[spice remnant]

Yea bw started dev in like 2008 iirc?

Though these protos are showing that the engine was actually developed in 2006

[shell sand]

they were prepping to use the full power of the DS hardware I see

thats still so insane to me 😭

especially considering Ohmori said something to the effect of like "HGSS as a remake didnt need to the extra stuff but we wanted to because thats ideal" or something

[arctic bobcat]

i remember because of the BW tie in for HGSS

you had to get a locked box item in HGSS just to transfer it over to the next game

[shell sand]

tm for snarl or something right?

i dont have any concrete dates but id love like a timeline image of the development of each game because holy fuck

the last time they knew peaceful devtime was like RS

[spice remnant]

Well they have a two team structure after all

Like one team worked on hgss, the other bw,

[shell sand]

I get that part its just crazy to me

and they still have this structure today and even got ilca to do a third thing during around PLA development

PLA + BDSP + SV

[spice remnant]

I can’t remember but didn’t this team structure start with bw/hgss

I feel like I remember when BW was new there was a lot of talk about how much more time bw had in development compared to past games

[shell sand]

yeah thats why im so shocked because i learned that just now

[spice remnant]

But I can’t find anything about it currently

[shell sand]

also i have a crack theory forming in my head but ill just tell it to someone else

[shell sand]

is this correct

[harsh lion]

ORAS and SM at the same time im not sure

unless theres evidence for it anyway

[shell sand]

that ones an assumption yeah but its been the theme of every new generation

[harsh lion]

there definitely was overlap but i think theres more overlap than this

[shell sand]

you start a new generation and instantly start prototyping the next

[harsh lion]

i wouldn't be surprised if oras development started before b2w2 even released buuuut

i think that's as concise as you can make it

[shell sand]

my crack theory that doesnt actually really explain why they didnt because it doesnt make that much sense, is that dexit is because they couldnt coordinate which new mons exist

ever since USUM theyve been introducing new mons to keep it fresh but theyre all separate teams so they just said fuck it we cant coordinate all of htese mons anymore

[harsh lion]

i could see it but it doesnt seem relevant to any games released since june 2019

[rose junco]

well, the Lock Capsule was never used right? but yeah

[tropic pollen]

I read that the South Kalos map build is from 2012 is this true

[rose junco]

looking at docs again (this time for DP), ||oh there's doc about some more proposed concepts, like being able to customize bicycles (only for boys, for some reason) and do makeup (also only for girls)||

[shell sand]

DP kinda a product of its time and people tbfr

im glad none of these genderlocked ideas were put to use in gen 4

[rose junco]

yeah lol
though could have been neat to see them eventually (but without that)

[rose junco]

||also funny how they were thinking about putting stocks in Pokemon lmao||

||they also thought about letting you teach traded Pokemon tricks (like dancing and singing)||

||oh Camping was suggested for gen 4 (though it seems to be more like secret bases and stuff)||

found a second version of that doc lol

[shell sand]

|| https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZ7-dDhWIAAXIXB?format=png&name=small ||

[rose junco]

....and yet another doc with proposed concepts in it (with some similar one)

[shell sand]

they have a fuckton of them

theyre idea guys...

just like me

[rose junco]

||this one didn't have makeup as gender-locked||