Leaks for Pokémon

[torn ore]

Looking back, Teal Mask mon info leaking through Home was on August 31. About 13 days (or 12 depending on where you live) before release

So earliest could be this Friday or Saturday again lol

Latest could be a day or two before release cus of Home maintenance datamines

[tropic pollen]

assuming they do it again

[torn ore]

Hoping they do lol

Centro pops up with a tweet this Friday night:

"Pokémon Scarlet & Violet DLC -

Leak round #2

Coming up"

And the Kaphotics tweets a Pokedex image of ||Hydrappl||

[lethal iris]

I only wait for the information to be sent out by Matt

[runic prawn]

I like that for DLC stuff I am only keeping up with bits and pieces, so ultimately I'm not even sure what to expect of indigo disk

[lethal iris]

|| I just want my reshiram back, and for the story to be good ||

It’s been 107 days

||where is my confirmation||

[split swan]

Is there gonna be another trailer before we get Indigo Disk?

[wanton trail]

At the rate we’re going, no

[sacred minnow]

I sure hope so

[harsh lion]

wased spanish rep

||actually its fake because they would NEVER name a fire type Irachispa when Chispa is the name of Spark in spanish. And also it doesnt mean ashes||

||also they didnt provide spanish names for every move so its fake||

fake asf

||the 91 spatk is so funny because thunderclap is a special move||

||the stats for spoilermon are funny as fuck why that guy built like mesprit||

||weird that "doesn't recharge in rain" wouldn't be part of the description||

need this to be real

||they should do it more often tbf||

LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rough kelp]

wait does ||crown also have higher attack||

[harsh lion]

||no it has 130 base spatk and 70 attack supposedly||

[rough kelp]

lmao wack ass "leak"

[harsh lion]

i mean it makes sense but

??

this "leak" is so out of place lol

but also i wouldnt be surprised if its real

[wanton trail]

If ||Hydrappl|| is actually ||Bug-Dragon|| it would instantly be in my top 20

[rough kelp]

if this is real though, lmao

[wanton trail]

||snap trap grass starters|| 🔥

[spare hare]

||tbf solar beam doesn't mention being able to skip a turn either although it does at least reference sunlight||

[harsh lion]

Huh

[rough kelp]

yeah same for ||genie storms||

[harsh lion]

Wow that's silly

[rough kelp]

I guess not like, same function, but same deal

[harsh lion]

POKÉMON'S HIDDEN MECHANIC?? (||you can use solar beam without recharging if sun is active||

[wanton trail]

Is this for ||electro shot||

[harsh lion]

no

its for solar beam

[harsh lion]

this is for that move

[sacred minnow]

what

Yeah

[vestal arch]

days till rough estimate of possible pokemon home dex image files being put up early again based on last time I presume

[spare hare]

yes

although we don't actually know if it'll happen again

[spice timber]

yeah, we don't know

tbh i'm just posting those because it's funny to me

[vestal arch]

fair enough

[tropic pollen]

Munkidori: ||"Momo... just killed a man."||

[wanton trail]

Oh just the thing i was looking for

||Praying for legends johto, decent unova remakes, and 3rd paldea dlc (it will never happen)||

[tropic pollen]

||holy shit SIX Kalos mons in total.||

||barring potential legendaries||

[harsh lion]

||and also two are from teal mask||

||and kalos is still gonna be missing a couple of em LOL||

[tropic pollen]

||yea in base SV there's only 28||

||which combined with the six does like. make 50% of the kalos dex. but.||

[harsh lion]

🫡

||28 including the mythicals?||

[tropic pollen]

||uhhh that's 31 with mythicals||

[harsh lion]

||carbink? starters?||

||22 or 25 kalos mons missing when Indigo disk releases (depends on returning legendaries) so im assuming it doesnt count starters either||

[tropic pollen]

yea it dont i just counted by dex

[harsh lion]

ic ic

so ||28 in dex but a total of 41? plus six from dlc gives 47 (or nine gives 50)||

||technically carbinks also dlc but it was added through home so its also Not||

[wanton trail]

||It’s emolgover||

[silver shore]

What are we waiting for again?

[soft lava]

It's around the same time that we got info from Home last dlc wave.

[silver shore]

Ohh icic

[spice timber]

yeah

we got teal mask leaks precisely 2 weeks before the game came out

[torn ore]

||https://vxtwitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1729709625853739082?t=usWdFttlS4XphZsm5gLCwA&s=19 ||

||Goddamn it Kalosbros...||

||https://vxtwitter.com/abcboy101/status/1729629705492713486?t=AJ0E7Kyy-IScmuEYNx1PMw&s=19 ||

[torn ore]

||Maybe the rest of the legends are transfer only||

[spare hare]

||yooo kalos remakes incoming ||

[spare hare]

So this is each of the new pokemon right

||1018 is raging bolt, 1019 is iron crown, 1021 is terapagos, 1023 is archaludon||

||so the remaining 4 are paradox entei, paradox terrakion (which has to start with iron), dipplin evo, and dokutaro||

||1013 could start with the "hydr-" prefix like many have speculated for dipplin evo, 1017 is likely paradox entei and is somewhere between "got-" and "gou-", 1020 has got to be iron "A-" or "B-", and 1022 is likely dokutaro||

||seen some ppl suggest that a name starting with "peach" would work for 1022, so that one fanname "peachikeen" could work lol||

[marble sand]

oh this is fascinating

leaks should happen like this more often i think

[spare hare]

actual shit to analyze and not the insane ramblings of some 4chan weirdo 🙏

[marble sand]

Real

[spare hare]

||lol the two galar horses are in but no calyrex||

[spare hare]

@lethal iris ||here's your reshiram||

so in terms of ||legendaries that are unobtainable within sv (as in you can't get them within the game itself, even if you can transfer), we have mewtwo (there was the 7 star raid but seemingly no permanent method), all the regis (including galar ones), all the sinnoh legendaries, all the genies (including enamorus), all kalos legends, all 4 tapus, zacian, zamazenta, eternatus, and calyrex||

||and also none of the ubs are obtainable ||

||however as of now, from that list, mewtwo, the galar regis, the sinnoh legends (minus gigas), the genies, zacian, zamazenta, eternatus, and calyrex can at least be transferred||

||so assuming there are no extra transfers that just don't show up as static encounters, that means the hoenn regis + gigas, kalos trio, and tapu quartet are the only legendaries to not be usable in sv at all (also probably ubs)||

[ivory prawn]

||Iron Ass
Iron Balls||
Those are my guesses you're welcome chat

[rough kelp]

very mature guesses

[spare hare]

[ivory prawn]

Ok but seriously uhhhh ||Iron Bull||?

[spare hare]

that would fit

||i guess this means entei will NOT be infernal sun||

[spice timber]

i would be so upset if ||the legendaries not in this collectathon aren't transferrable at all||

i have to imagine ||they'll be transferrable like the gen 4 mythicals in teal mask||

[vestal arch]

||if i can't transfer in regigas at some point why bother||

[spare hare]

||oh also this confirms that other leak as fake since it has "doku momo" as the name in english which doesn't fit anywhere here||

||if any more confirmation was needed||

[tropic pollen]

||or they’re raid exclusive||

[spare hare]

cope lives on...

||well we never know at least||

idk why i tagged that

[spice timber]

oh wait huh we got first letters of names?

[rose junco]

||doesn't fit for JP either, if anyone was wondering||

[spice timber]

||peachikeen real||

[rose junco]

||1022 is between モノズ (Monozu) and モルフォン (Morufon)||

||probably starts with モモ ('Momo', peach)||

[spare hare]

||actually scary how well peachikeen fits||

||are there any such similar phrases in jp that directly have the word peach in them||

[rose junco]

||similar to peachy keen? I don't think so||

[ivory prawn]

||God what a name||

[spice timber]

||carmine learning that the pokemon that fed into kieran's angry confusion and turned him into a monster is called "peachy keen"||

[spare hare]

||actually at least this means all these mons AREN'T raid exclusive, bc fuck doing 7 star legendary raids for a shit ton of legends||

[dry shell]

||So this means solgaleo is back right?||

[tropic pollen]

You have to tag your discussion

||but seemingly yes, if this is legit||

[dry shell]

Sorry I forgot

[harsh lion]

||Archaludon being 1023 is so funny im sorry what||

[tropic pollen]

||internal ID, not dex number||

[harsh lion]

yeah ik

still

||is there any word alphabetically between gothorita and gourgeist that has to do with fire||

[lethal iris]

Where did this little image come from

[surreal vault]

Wait so if ||Horses are now static encounters||

At last??

||No wait nvm these are modern static encounters ||

[tropic pollen]

||maybe they’re static encounters similar to overworld tera Pokemon. Those arent shiny locked||

[surreal vault]

Oh true, maybe...

[white garden]

||We can only hope that’s the case||

[lethal iris]

||Word back: ITS LEGIT||

After 110 days, the wait is over for her.

[velvet bobcat]

||I can't wait to transfer my XY legends guys!!||

||...guys?||

[torn ore]

||Maybe they can still be transfer-only mons||

||Also Khu said he was wrong about Enamorus being part of the encounters, maybe there's still hope for UBs as transfer only?||

[spice timber]

it might be like

||everything else is transfer-only, but all of those mons are catchable||

[spare hare]

||it's possible they're saving some for 7 star raids, maybe||

[spice timber]

perhaps ||the limited selection means that these encounters are gonna have proper sidequests tied to them||?

[spice timber]

they could easily ||pull a pogo and support the game for like 3 years off of the legendaries missing here, like the lake trio and the regis||

[torn ore]

||Yeah no thanks. Zygarde Complete on Trash Raids is gonna break me lmao||

[spice timber]

tbf ||most the difficulty of zygarde-complete in swsh raids came from how it spams land's wrath and thousand arrows to wipe the ais and get you kicked out, though it being extremely tanky is gonna suuuuuck for solo raids||

[dry shell]

||WAIT REALLY||

[torn ore]

||Having a real-time timer combined with the game's sluggish text and animations gotta be the worst thing ever. Now adding tankiness and the shields and tera orb energy stealing and I'm just done lol||

||Next mainline game please bring back PLA's battle pacing||

[spice timber]

i wonder ||how they'd handle 7* raids for the legendaries||

||moveset-wise||

[spare hare]

||look at what they did with mewtwo||

[spice timber]

oh right, i'm dumb

[spare hare]

||the sad part is I don't think they would hold back so if they did do kalos 7 stars we'd be in for some trouble||

||7 star xerneas starting with power herb geomancy and moonblast||

[spice timber]

||amoonguss sweep||

[ivory prawn]

||Doesn’t Xerneas know Psychic||

[spice timber]

shhhhhh

hm

someone posted this in another server, supposedly from anubis?

it's a discord message so it's very easily fakeable

[torn ore]

||Kalosbros we might be back||

[spare hare]

||well at the very least it seems to come from the original chinese riddler||

||either way this shouldn't affect the alphabetical order thing since that was from something different||

[velvet bobcat]

:copium:

[lethal iris]

So is it real or not

[spice timber]

no idea

[white garden]

||YEAH BABY NECROZMA IS BACK||

[sacred minnow]

||methinks that if they are all “static” encounters, then that would mean that they have they own little places to be caught at right?||

[white garden]

||Oh yeah i remember making two photoshops of encounters like that ||

[sacred minnow]

||Y E S||

[spice timber]

hm, khu posted something not horribly obscure for once

it's two different posts in japanese that translate to "||tera piece stella||" and "||synchro machine||" respectively

[spice timber]

huh, plot twist on the ||25 legendaries||

supposedly we know this stuff because ||there were 25 items in the chinese version's files named after the legendaries||

[wanton trail]

Okay… that’s interesting

[spice timber]

also, this supposedly solves one of khu's earlier messages about ||the legendary method||

i think it involves ||getting these legendary summon items from a vending machine of sorts and then using them to find the static encounter||

[surreal vault]

||...So it's just Ramanas park||

[spice timber]

basically, yeah

||ramanas park 2: hopefully the grind doesn't suck this time||

[surreal vault]

||They may not be in Area Zero then, but instead be in the fucking bio dome||

[spare hare]

||you pop legendary items into the area zero machine and a legendary pops out ||

[spice timber]

||me inserting tickets into the ticket muncher and receiving a voucher for one free glastrier||

[rose junco]

||not sure where you're getting 'Chinese version' from (there is no specific version for there anyway, the language is in all versions); don't think anyone mentioned it only being in that language's files||

[spice timber]

||i said chinese version because the names and such were found by chinese dataminers in chinese, though i'm not sure if it's a real version difference||

kind of dumb of me, mb

[rough kelp]

||ramanas 2 but they better add those legendaries music in||

[spice timber]

||i think we're actually gonna get that for real this time||

||we know from the original datamines that there's 23 battle tracks, and collectively those legendaries would have 11 unique themes||

[surreal vault]

||God we haven't had proper legendary remixes outside of Masters since...||

[rough kelp]

||regi||

so 2020

[surreal vault]

||Since PLA :stuff:||

[rough kelp]

oh I guess that

2022?

[surreal vault]

We haven't had ||Weather Trio remix since ORAS, Jhoto remixes since HGSS, Swords of Justice never got one||

||But why would they do that when they can just put in the original tracks and call it a day||

[rough kelp]

I always feel spoiled by ||kirby constantly bringing back songs||

[vestal arch]

||so when do they put these items in a cram-o-matic 2 so everybody suffers||

[spare hare]

||unova legendary remix is coming soon one way or another|| 🙏

[rough kelp]

monkey paw curled ||it stays at the same tempo now||

[lethal iris]

Why only || the Chinese version when it could have been in all versions ||

[dry shell]

Are we still gonna be able to transfer them from Home?

[spare hare]

If you can get them within sv you will be able to transfer them in

That's how it works

[dry shell]

||Wait, so I can’t take the legendarys from the 3DS into Scarlet and Violet||

[spare hare]

||as long as that pokemons data is in sv you can||

[tropic pollen]

If it leaks the same way it could be soon

[tropic pollen]

|| @harsh lion the schneakiest lmfao in history||

[harsh lion]

||I'm not implying anything though!!||

||Like I genuinely am baffled, returning legendaries are supposed to be a selling point for DLC||

||It is a fair stance to have i think||

[lethal iris]

What’s going on

[surreal vault]

Nothing

[tropic pollen]

||Ikr, surely a trailer’s coming. surely. especially ESPECIALLY if the OST for part 2 will be as remix heavy as has been suggested||

[harsh lion]

||Mfw tera raid remix for legendaries||

[lethal iris]

The Wait ended yesterday after 110 days, why are Jedi and Taka fighting for

[ivory prawn]

||You're going to get like 12 variants of the same tera raid theme where a minute into the song there's a single line of the legendary pokemon's actual theme shittily mixed into the song||

[tropic pollen]

||okay!! yay!!||

[spare hare]

||surely one next week to remind people that indigo disk exists||

Or at least some ||general dlc trailer ||

[harsh lion]

||people talking about how theres no trailer is enough promotion for them||

[sacred minnow]

||oh boy I sure do hope that I don’t see the entire leaked dex in the coming days! That would stink! ||

[tropic pollen]

By now, Centro would have said something an hour ago

Bros. Think it might not happen again

[sacred minnow]

[harsh lion]

itll happen closer to release

its fiiine

they wont just not add home support for indigo disk thats silly

[spice timber]

wouldn't it happen tomorrow?

at the earliest

[wanton trail]

Didn’t HOME leak, like, a few days before or smth

For teal mask

[spice timber]

it leaked a solid two weeks beforehand

[tropic pollen]

It leaked 12 days before

[spice timber]

oh, huh

so theoretically we still have a few days left to go

[prime monolith]

so there is already story spoilers for the dlc? i read it on another server

[surreal vault]

Nothing definitive

It's mostly speculative

[spice timber]

like what nova said, there's a lot of speculative stuff from datamines/text leaks, but nothing definitive as of now

[prime monolith]

oh ok

[split swan]

Can you share stuff to me in dms

[spice timber]

i admittedly don't like

fully remember everything

there's too big of a chance of me trying to fill a gap in memory and then saying something completely off

though iirc a major thing we know is that ||there are a group of npcs codenamed "zombie" in the datamines||

[lethal iris]

We all know Centro sits on a throne of lies

[spice timber]

centro isn't the one getting the info

iirc elchicoeevee was the person to first report the home datamines for mask

[lethal iris]

Then why is he still ban evading on twitter

[vestal arch]

either too obvious with what ends up not being bs or people hate them that much or both

[spice timber]

centro i think probably just wants the attention

[lethal iris]

Yea, by making stuff up

[white garden]

Centro has fell off

Sad

[rough kelp]

related to this, ||the bug is probably fixable quickly, so idk why they a holding it till jan. do you guys think they are saving it after indigo disk because raidon gonna get sth new? we did see codename related to them during one of the datamine||

(leak related but not exactly a leak)

[harsh lion]

https://fxtwitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1730495450547904937?t=xOWFWRiTJc_17S9VTbns6A&s=19

:]

[spare hare]

[rough kelp]

colors weave into a spire of flame

[spare hare]

||mfw iron leaves really is gonna be the only one of the paradox legendary bunch that doesn't have a sig move of its unique type||

[tropic pollen]

So it begins.

Joe coping (Joeping) in the comments

[rough kelp]

oh hell nah not the game potentially leaking on my birthday

[harsh lion]

december birthday??? oh so jolly

[runic prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-we-are-in-the-endgame-now-just-saying-gif-24286272

[wanton trail]

Wait it’s your birthday? Happy bday skelly

[surreal vault]

This is IT

[lethal iris]

Why early

[torn ore]

Wouldn't it be v.3.2.0 if it were for Indigo Disk?

This would just be a bug fix patch

[tropic pollen]

The Teal mask datamine wasn’t for 3.1.0

[harsh lion]

matter of fact serebii didn't even announce maintenance prior to the datamine

not only that but 3.1.2 is only for mobile it seems

the fact that they're updating assets now rather than wait two weeks (maintenance for Teal Mask compatibility began on September 13) is. 🤨-inducing to me

if we get datamines (which we will) they'll be happening after this maintenance imo

[tropic pollen]

This is where the dataminers got things from last time

[harsh lion]

Banger Alert...

[surreal vault]

We are so fucking back

[torn ore]

I thought it was because the dataminers got that version early

But hey id love to be wrong lol

[spice timber]

the end is nigh

[tropic pollen]

in today's news ||https://vxtwitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1730218308123705598?s=20 ||

[tropic pollen]

||the long con||

[surreal vault]

Wait wait WAIT

||Where source???||

[spice timber]

it was something khu said

[tropic pollen]

khu said it too i think

[spice timber]

something about a "||tera piece stella||" and a "||synchro machine||", google translated from japanese

[torn ore]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-done-upset-angry-gif-15272547

[dry shell]

||Yo the one place that can’t be corrupted be capitalism ||

[candid nebula]

||Interesting that it has テラ "Tera" in it||

[tropic pollen]

||Thats cuz it says “Tera type stellar” in jp||

[candid nebula]

||I'm referring to what "Stellar" is in Japanese, ステラ (sutera), which has テラ "Tera" in it||

[split swan]

I get ||the pun||

[candid nebula]

||Inb4 the 19th type in English is called Terastar Type||

||Also I just realized that Tera Type in Japanese, テラスタイプ (Terasutaipu), is a pun on Terastal and Type, aka Terastype||

[torn ore]

It is Home update day

Either we get something, or it'll be a bust lol

[spice timber]

i think the leaks from home actually came from a different source

like the internal servers or something

[spare hare]

I wouldn't count on anything happening but we'll see

[spare hare]

They did, but I don't think anyone (who's willing to share) knows for sure how

But there was no update pushed out at the time of the leak

Just the one right before teal mask

[torn ore]

Yeah Kurt and his team somehow got the 3.1.0 update early

That's why I ain't expecting too much because the upcoming update is 3.1.2 and not 3.2.0

[tropic pollen]

serebii joe's insistence on it not happening is interesting to me

this is just speculating, but maybe he actually asked the dudes at game freak if they were gonna do anything different to avoid things leaking again, and they gave him some answer he was confident in

[spare hare]

Tbh just seems par for the course for joe

[lethal iris]

Kurt is a hypocrite who regularly harasses people who use pkhex aka, his OWN INVENTION

[spare hare]

first of all why are you even bringing this up here

and second of all where are you getting that he regularly harasses people

[spice timber]

perhaps it's how he checks genned mons in vgc teams after every major tourney

which ends up inciting the whole genning controversy every time it happens

[tropic pollen]

no he doesnt

[ivory prawn]

This sounds like the equivalent of being angry at a fangame creator for being against piracy of official games or something

[tropic pollen]

The tweets where he points that the VGC champion of this year used a genned Amoongus was to point out how Game Freak doesn't do hackchecking properly

& that they, and many fans who cry "HACKING!!" are hypocrites

[spare hare]

he even points out that people hack bc pokemon's accessibility is still dogshit lol

at least for the comp scene

[spice timber]

yeah, i think it's more that the people who react to his stuff are the ones inciting all that shit

[ivory prawn]

You know what blew my mind the other day and definitely doesn't belong in this channel so actually I will say this elsewhere

[spice timber]

on the topic of serebii, i think he just tries to avoid talking about leaks as much as he can

cuz he's officially affiliated and all that

i'm pretty sure that, unless they can avoid pushing anything to any servers that are available to people outside of game freak, it's gonna end up leaking

[spare hare]

i'm sure it'll end up leaking but last time was an anomaly

the main question is when, not if

[tropic pollen]

why address it in the first place then

[spice timber]

probably because he gets harassed about it every time it happens

or gets close to happening

[spare hare]

tbh this is just a very serebii response

he will not ever acknowledge leaks until they're actually happening

[spice timber]

i have to imagine he gets info early despite that

because the serebii pages are always up the day of or the day afterwards

[spare hare]

obviously

he clearly gets info from dataminers and he's updated things in the past before he could've had time based on dataminers' official announcements of things

like how spawns work in sv

the man has enough of a reputation at this point that dataminers would know to give him info too

[lethal iris]

So why would he make something that he’s against

[white garden]

“Imagine getting mad at people for using your own creation, that’s embarassing”

• TCNick3

[spare hare]

did you read the rest of the discussion

[harsh lion]

btw it's not going to be consistent with teal mask leaks because they happened around <t:1693507800:f>

[tropic pollen]

We are past that time now… lets see

[harsh lion]

in other words we might have to wait until maintenance or until it's over to even know if there's gonna be leaks today

which would be in 4 to 7 hours

[tropic pollen]

When did maintenance start last time

[harsh lion]

there was none iirc

https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ASerebiiNet maintenance&src=typed_query&f=live

[torn ore]

Yeah there was none. It just leaked randomly on a 2AM for me lmao

[harsh lion]

august 4 (GO-related), then september 13 (Teal Mask compatibility)

[spare hare]

The last leak was not related to an update

It just happened

[harsh lion]

and also we're closer to Indigo Disk's release than we were last time to Teal Mask's

[spare hare]

Well directly related lol

[tropic pollen]

Yea

[harsh lion]

yeah

its just that like

[torn ore]

Joe finding it weird that they're doing maintenance now instead of next week is what's sus

So there's a small chance

Even if there's none, we'll most likely get a trailer this week

[spare hare]

It kind of has to be this week

[harsh lion]

HOME undergoing maintenance twice within ten days and it having been a way for Pokémon to leak not just once is like

i think its reason enough to believe that things will leak again tbh

[spare hare]

If not this week, next week is literally the launch

[harsh lion]

also I forget if Isle of Armor leaked at all

[tropic pollen]

When was the last time something pkmn related didnt

[torn ore]

Nope people had to wait for release for that

[harsh lion]

yeah I figured as much

there wasn't much new anyway

[torn ore]

Though there was nothing new in the files anyways since all Pokemon were revealed prior

[harsh lion]

we knew Urshifu's signature abilities and moves, we knew it had Gigantamax forms,...

[spice timber]

we literally have to have a trailer this week or else it leaks before any official news can happen

[harsh lion]

Zarude was leaked but it was because of Isle of Armor's release, right

[spice timber]

zarude was teased beforehand

[torn ore]

No they revealed Zarude on Pokemon Day

[harsh lion]

oh huh

[tropic pollen]

Yea Zarude came out of nowhere

[harsh lion]

oh I guess I'm just thinking about like. Zarude being in game

I assume we already knew of Jungle Healing as well

which by the way weird fuckin move why were they like "this might be given to other pokemon in the future" and they still havent done it lmao

[torn ore]

PLA leaked before the final trailer too lmao

[harsh lion]

Ogerpon could've gotten it that would've been fun

[harsh lion]

that's different tbf since it's a full game

whatever leaks from Indigo Disk isn't going to be playable

(Sadly😔)

[spice timber]

if swsh leaked later than it did, its final trailer would've been insane

[harsh lion]

idk if SV and BDSP were done with trailers when they leaked though

[tropic pollen]

All we had for her face were hints from Khu, true

[spice timber]

that trailer had mr rime and runerigus in it

[torn ore]

Was funny though, huge gap between the last trailer and then the entire thing leaked lmfao

[tropic pollen]

Until the Dex pic leaks

[torn ore]

Their final trailer was "Hisuian. Starter. Evolutions" and didn't even show em

[spare hare]

I think we got ramanas park after leaks started

[harsh lion]

when was the last time we got any news of indigo disk at all

[torn ore]

Worlds

[harsh lion]

FOR REAL?

[tropic pollen]

Yea worlds

[spare hare]

The last dlc news we had in general was poltchageist

[tropic pollen]

Thats why no trailers is insane

[harsh lion]

That's INSANE

[tropic pollen]

I mean. Sure, there’s the previews

[spice timber]

them being quiet is so weird

[tropic pollen]

But still

[torn ore]

Yes, August 13

[spice timber]

i assume it's because they're trying to hide story elements

[tropic pollen]

Then just make a trailer without story elements…

[spice timber]

i'm thinking like

[torn ore]

Like idk, ||the remaining Paradoxes?||

[harsh lion]

don't reveal ||dipplin||

[tropic pollen]

Show some more mons, more trainers, new moves, some legendaries etc

[harsh lion]

they can reveal Great Entei and Iron Thing or maybe something like TMs

[spice timber]

if the ||legendary collectathon item thing mechanic is located in a new area zero place|| they wouldn't wanna reveal it

[torn ore]

Literally the only new Pokemon they kept secret in Crown Tundra were the horses

[tropic pollen]

||But returning legendaries is too much of a selling point NOT to advertise||

[harsh lion]

^^^^

[torn ore]

||So keeping Hydrapplin and Peachikeen is enough lol||

[harsh lion]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[torn ore]

||I'm gonna miss calling it Dokutaro||

[tropic pollen]

Maybe we’ll get something this tuesday

[harsh lion]

Like at this point it's shocking they haven't said anything about ||returning legendaries||

[tropic pollen]

Or this friday

[harsh lion]

I said it recently in the main pokemon chat but I would genuinely not be surprised if there just. Aren't any

[torn ore]

To tie in with the Terapagos transforming episode?

[harsh lion]

Judging by what they've been (not) doing with pre-release Indigo Disk

[spare hare]

Tbf they still could just be waiting to reveal that ig

They showed ramanas park 9 days before bdsp released

[harsh lion]

How long is too long a wait though right

[tropic pollen]

Nah like a week before release

[harsh lion]

I think that's a fair enough comparison but BDSP wasn't like

[spice timber]

bdsp didn't have them be story relevant

[harsh lion]

going to be at Worlds the year after

[tropic pollen]

I mean they have to remind people to buy their upcoming product EVENTUALLY, right?????

[torn ore]

Crown Tundra's last trailer was shown on September 29, then the full thing released on Oct 22

[spice timber]

oh yeah

bdsp was also a game that didn't really have anything new but that content

[spare hare]

I mean honestly I think they can afford to be more lax on dlc news

[torn ore]

Meanwhile with Indigo Disk we've gone 3 months without new content lmfao

[tropic pollen]

Maybe all the trailer Music was stolen remixes and they had to scrap and redo it all again

[spare hare]

If you bought teal mask you already have indigo disk anyways and there's inherently already gonna be less ppl buying bc it's a dlc that requires the underlying game

As opposed to being a new full game

[torn ore]

Good point

[harsh lion]

Yeah I don't want any details other than whether legendaries are returning or not and that's solely because I think that's like. Something they should give any sort of focus

[tropic pollen]

yea but i think people are of the impression that the second DLC is bigger than the first

Same with swsh

So i honestly think more people will buy the DLC for part 2 than for part 1

[torn ore]

But they gotta show some signs of life at least lol

[spare hare]

To the extent they put out something just to be like

Hey this is a reminder this exists

[harsh lion]

When were returning legendaries announced for CT

[spare hare]

I agree, I think they should do that

[torn ore]

Releases less than 2 weeks and if we don't get a new trailer people are gonna be like "Oh, that came out"

[tropic pollen]

On reveal

[harsh lion]

This is my main concern for a fair amount of reasons tbh

[tropic pollen]

People were like NOOOOO LANDEROUS IS COMING BACK

[harsh lion]

This game has had like. Enough Discourse around it because of how VGC allows Pokémon that you Can't Get In Game

[tropic pollen]

little did they know, something far more sinister was lurking…

https://tenor.com/view/donphan-pokemon-gif-27064728

This trailer was nuts btw

[spice timber]

this trailer went fucking insane

[harsh lion]

And I feel like a company that 1) respects and/or keeps in touch with their audience and 2) is actually adding every legendary to the game again, Would announce that they're actually adding every legendary to the game again

So like i'm a big returning legendary denier rn basically

[spare hare]

At LEAST a little more than 3 weeks before bc I see a trailer for CT that has dmax adventures in it

[tropic pollen]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm

[harsh lion]

SWSH every legendary not every starter, SV not every legendary every starter

🤔

[harsh lion]

Jedi said on reveal which is like

[torn ore]

If Home manages to leak early, my only fear is that ||3rd Form Terapagos gets shafted in the render department like Tera Mask Ogerpon lol||

[harsh lion]

Probably accurate and also why returning legendaries matter to me so much

In any case there's like seven hours to go (I will be surprised if there's leaks at any point between the 5th and release) so. Only a matter of time

[spice timber]

wait, when does the maintenance start?

[harsh lion]

Though I guess HOME leaks wouldn't do much for returning legendaries

[spice timber]

i thought it started tomorrow

[harsh lion]

3h 33m

1AM for me

[spice timber]

huh

[spare hare]

We did get crown tundra leaked like 1 or 2 days before it released

Which I think actually was bc of home

[spice timber]

epic pst win

[torn ore]

Less than 4 hours

[spice timber]

yeah

[tropic pollen]

How did that happen

[spice timber]

crown tundra leaked through home

[harsh lion]

Mmm true the horses weren't so far away from release

[spice timber]

i think the same way teal mask leaked

just later

[harsh lion]

I loved that leak people were speculating abt it being fake bc they had the same poses as rapidash or something

[torn ore]

My disappointment seeing the Calyrex forms were just him literally riding the horses lmao

[harsh lion]

Still peak mon tbh

[torn ore]

My top 10 hated mon cus of its design and stupid looking forms

[harsh lion]

Well don't worry I won't take it personally

[torn ore]

Base Calyrex theme goes hard though

[harsh lion]

actually im giving you another fear: ||Terapagos's 3rd form looks stupid as fuck||

[torn ore]

And another fear, ||shitty shiny||

[harsh lion]

||Shiny locked anyway||

See another thing with returning legendaries is that like

When do they stop making them

[torn ore]

||Yeah but a cool design getting a terrible shiny still hurts lol||

[harsh lion]

There's like 70 at this point

[tropic pollen]

i truly do think the worst possible outcome is if your legendary Pokemon is lame

[harsh lion]

Pokemon Xcels seething over Pokemon Ychads

[tropic pollen]

I dunk on swsh but the dogs? They’re rad

[spare hare]

||they stop including all the legendaries like they did here||

[harsh lion]

no no exactly like

||if you're going to put about 650 pokemon every game you can't be expected to add all 60ish-and-growing legendaries to every game right ||

||(or rather "you can't expect to add [...]")||

[tropic pollen]

||not unless your name is mewtwo||

[harsh lion]

Still think itd be dumb as hell to leave tornadus home only tho

[torn ore]

||Them limiting to 600 is gonna suck because as the roster grows, the less chance that others return||

[tropic pollen]

||ACTUALLY WHAT IF THE DATA FOR THE RETURNING BIRDS ARE ACTUALLY THEIR GALARIAN FORMS….. COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? (please. I beg.)||

[spare hare]

We don't know for sure

So maybe!

[tropic pollen]

Yehehehehehehhheeheheheheh

[spare hare]

||forced to buy swsh for galar birds and calyrex||

[harsh lion]

I love speculation about things that don't matter <- KNOWS the returning legendaries will all be 7* raids and they don't have online

[spare hare]

||and galar Regis actually||

[tropic pollen]

||Calyrex will DEFINITELY be a raid mon||

[harsh lion]

||Post-Indigo Disk nemona rematch where she leads with tailwind tornadus + urshifu and when you beat her she gives you only one of them, your choice||

[tropic pollen]

||Normal type raid because the hat looks like a crown 🤔 ||

[spare hare]

||I like how they included literally every sinnoh legendary except gigas... wtf bro||

[tropic pollen]

||the quan machine is…… offline||

[harsh lion]

||"We can't let regigigas+grafaiai happen"||

[torn ore]

||If they're gonna be reusing legendary music, better use the ORAS and PLA renditions||

[white garden]

||Regigigas was regigiga sussy||

||I am so sorry||

[torn ore]

||inb4 Necrozma encounter is the Ultra Form and we get that godly music||

[harsh lion]

||^(cant be used in game)||

[spare hare]

|| ||

[spice timber]

shhhshshssss

||let ultra necrozma cook||

[torn ore]

||inb4 Mega Evolution return, but ONLY Mega Rayquaza||

[harsh lion]

||Bring back ultra nec and mega ray idc||

||Primals too||

[spare hare]

||mfs when core enforcer zygarde raid activates after taking 2 hits (it's 1/2 of the base hp)||

[tropic pollen]

||AND it gets a shield||

[harsh lion]

||SV shields vs SwSh shields discuss||

[spare hare]

oops I mean ||power construct||

[harsh lion]

||Zygarde didn't get a shield in SwSh 💔 ||

[tropic pollen]

||do you guys think the encounters will be normal like the ruinous quartet, or will they be like BM Ursaluna/Ogerpon||

[spare hare]

If we can ||bring our own mons I guess shield would be ok||

||but no way shields would work if they did any rental system again||

[harsh lion]

||like titans you mean?||

||I hope like titans tbh. It's like tera raids if they were good||

[spare hare]

||aren't the only ones with boss hp terapagos and peachikeen||

[tropic pollen]

||oh was that datamined? Nvm then||

[spare hare]

||unless that changes ig||

[harsh lion]

||I hope peachikeen is a chicken. I don't care if there's a bird already we need more birds. Peach Chicken||

[spare hare]

I believe it was

[tropic pollen]

||that theory of a fucked up Tapu Koko remains||

[harsh lion]

||Power Construct Zygarde when it can be quick balled turn 1||

[harsh lion]

||Such a good design would never happen though||

[spare hare]

Here

[harsh lion]

||Esp bc people would be like WHY ISNT THERE A FUCKED UP LELE A FUCKED UP BULU AND A FUCKED UP FINI!!! Bro That's Veluza||

[spice timber]

||peachikeen on its way to counterpart both the genies and the tapus like the ruinous quartet does (it has a nature's madness clone and a humanoid form||

[harsh lion]

||actually no the evil fini is palafin, who is also a good urshifu||

[tropic pollen]

||i really hope Peachikeen is grass/poison that would be funny||

[harsh lion]

||nah its ghost right||

[spare hare]

That's the big theory yea

[harsh lion]

||bc of the type icons in kitakami||

[tropic pollen]

||Do we know that for sure or is it just theories||

[harsh lion]

||>The ghost icon is for Sinistcha||

[spice timber]

rn it's just theories and khu

[harsh lion]

||Nothing has been leaked (except that one pastebin rofl) but the game shows Ghost alongside the Loyal Three's types||

[spice timber]

there's also the fact that ||it's probably the one who revived the loyal three from the dead||

[harsh lion]

||Hence the theory but. Yeah I'm def going with ghost/poison||

||Especially since Teal Mask was really good about adding to rare type combinations (and there was also grass ghost i guess||

[spice timber]

||why have we not had a ghost/poison since fucking gengar||

[harsh lion]

||Fezandipiti going Gweezing instead of Crobat is still funny||

||Inb4 Peachikeen is poison/flying||

[tropic pollen]

||it would be really funny if it got levitate||

||do any of you worry for Terapagos post gen 9?||

||assuming gen 10 isnt gonna be a big “we have everything” celebration game||

[harsh lion]

||Nah if necrozma zacianzenta and eternatus can be in gen 8/9 then terapagos will likely be fine||

[spice timber]

i think it's more about ||the god form||

[harsh lion]

||well if ultra nec can't be...||

[tropic pollen]

||i feel like one day they’re gonna figure Ultra Necrozma out somehow||

[spice timber]

||i have a feeling they're gonna make third forms like that just tied to a permanent item someday||

||if zacian and zamazenta get to have form changing items that change iron head into their sig moves, ultra necrozma and teraterapagos can have form changing items that make them transform at the start of battle without clicking a button even if they can't exist outside of battle||

[tropic pollen]

||i could see DW/DMNecrozma being unable to terastalize while holding a specific item, making them able to Ultra Burst instead||

||Idk maybe its the modded bdsp videos poisoning me but i feel like it cant be that hard to implement||

||then again SV isnt made in unity lol||

[spare hare]

||it probably is more of an intentional choice so they don't have to keep including shit like mega ray or ultra nec||

[tropic pollen]

i fully recognize im coping ftr

||yea||

[spare hare]

||no necrozma emote||

[tropic pollen]

||KING FINALLY DEFEATED||

[spice timber]

oh yeah, the maintenance should be starting soon?

i guess this is the part where nothing happens

[spare hare]

it's in 30 min

[spice timber]

ah, gotcha

so 4pm pst

[spare hare]

can't wait to see ||iron balls|| soon

[spice timber]

me booting up my copy of pokemon violet on december 14th and seeing the awesome new pokemon ||iron torso (it's a terrakion with no legs)||

[spice timber]

it's terapagover

[runic prawn]

lol

[vestal arch]

damn

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[harsh lion]

Dony worry when maintenance ends there will be one more line of text saying the maintenance has ended

[tropic pollen]

Mission failed we’ll get them next time lads

[lethal iris]

https://terapagos.pokemon.co.jp/

This was sent to me this morning

[white garden]

Wher r they goin

[wanton trail]

bros I’m catching up on TyranitarTube’s new video and now i have a theory relating to the ||Khu tweet where he says kieran snatches something from you and is fully armed||

||what if Kieran steals your Koraidon and Miraidon because he thinks he’s doing them justice and gives them their terastal form, thinking he’s doing a good thing and freeing pokemon from the ‘evil, unjust, and unfair’ hand of the protagonist||

[tropic pollen]

||It would check out with you “taking his friend” so he takes yours||

[harsh lion]

||also its not too far fetched bc kieran already knows korai/mirai||

[rough kelp]

||my sore loser king <3||

I feel like there may be a trailer ||at 1 week left. so 3 days from now?||

inb4 ||recap trailer ||

[runic prawn]

I will say in a way I'm glad we know so little because it's nice go and experience stuff blind

[marble sand]

real

it's why I prefer when they don't reveal starter evos lol

[lethal iris]

I just hope the dlc doesn’t release super late at night on the 14th
I’m just want to get the Terapagos as fast as possible because my friend in another server is trying to hurt it with a hammer for seemingly no reason. He’s using the lore as an excuse for his actions
I however, want to protect the cute little baby from danger

[spare hare]

It's going to be the 13th sometime between 7 and 9 pm est

Probably 8 pm est

[tropic pollen]

it'll prolly be 3 AM for me lol

[lethal iris]

Where do you live?!?

[tropic pollen]

i aint tellin 🕵️

[spare hare]

Earth

[lethal iris]

[runic prawn]

I thought it was aionios

[spare hare]

Origin

[spice timber]

(khu) ||https://fxtwitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1731820894736003439||

||BUG/DRAGON??? WE WON???||

[surreal vault]

||It'd better have good poison coverage||

[harsh lion]

||>bug poison||

[spare hare]

||>fire/dark||

[torn ore]

||Bug/Dragonbros.... our time has come....||

[lethal iris]

They are not in the same egg group

[rough kelp]

yoooo finally ||dragon/fire-type ||

[wanton trail]

||BUG DRAGON…||

[rough kelp]

this is actually a tease that ||there will be a pikotaro-referenced trainer with hydreigon, volcarona and dipplin||

[spice timber]

elchicoeevee (the person who posted the teal mask leaks) is currently posting images of basegame sv, probably as a teaser for some unite stuff because there was just a unite update

just a heads up

so if any of y'all see that, it's just unite

[dry shell]

Did we get any home datamines yet?

[spare hare]

no

[spice timber]

not yet, we don't know if/when it'll happen

[spare hare]

teal mask leaking 2 weeks in advance was an anomaly

[white garden]

Well if there’s that 1/100 chance the baby Turt didn’t hurt Arven’s Mabosstiff then ye

Fr tho, he’s shaped like a friend

[lethal iris]

Lil beby

[sacred minnow]

||Calling it rn, this guy gonna fuck us over||

[lethal iris]

Doubt that

It’s just a little beby

[sacred minnow]

But what if tho

[spice timber]

tbf, sv has a trend of making morally dubious legendaries

[lethal iris]

Again, I doubt that. It hasn’t done anything that would be hurtful

[sacred minnow]

What if it unintentionally fucks us over

[lethal iris]

How?

[sacred minnow]

Idk

[lethal iris]

It’s just a cutie

[spice timber]

i feel like terapagos wouldn't be intentionally malicious, but it can absolutely unintentionally cause harm

[sacred minnow]

Ye

[spice timber]

assuming terapagos is the source of tera energy, it's already contributed to multiple casualties

[sacred minnow]

Yes

[spice timber]

not because it means it or anything, but because that's the nature of the energy

[lethal iris]

That’s why I want to do a strategy to get it to know me, if we can do picnics near it’s location

[sacred minnow]

I think that maybe it just sits in its cave and created the Tera crystal

[spice timber]

i don't think you need to worry about it being befriended or anything

[sacred minnow]

I think it will be like calyrex or ogerpon, where it will make you fight it even tho you’re already friends

[spice timber]

besides, the end result of every capture in the series is being able to befriend the pokemon

even for mons like eternatus and the loyal three

[lethal iris]

I don’t want anything bad happening to it

[wanton trail]

Burn the turtle

[white garden]

No, we must keep the liddle guy safe unless he hurt Arven’s Mabosstiff

[harsh lion]

||does he know||

[spice timber]

interesting minor development with datamines

||https://vxtwitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1732106366192583120 ||

from this, there are ||4 new abilities, with two of them starting with "tera" and one starting with "poison"||

[surreal vault]

||Terapagos' two formes and Peach||

[spare hare]

||you when it's dipplin evo and not peach||

[surreal vault]

||What is the final ability in between?||

[spice timber]

there's also ||another ability in there that couldn't be pinpointed, that could easily be for the other one of dipplin/dokutaro||

so we really don't know

[spare hare]

yea it probably is for the other one

||paradox legends should just get protosynthesis/quark drive||

||and archaludon likely isn't getting anything new since ha will prooobably be stalwart or some shit||

[surreal vault]

||It should still be Stalwart since it is a sick ass ability||

[spare hare]

hopefully it actually gets to shine

[spice timber]

||they realized that stalwart is far too cool of an ability for duraludon so they buffed duraludon to its level||

[tropic pollen]

||so 2 for Terapagos, one for Peachikeen and one for Hydrapplin, probably||

[white garden]

||Tera Shield, Tera Boost, Poison Heart, Head Away?

These are just my predictions||

[torn ore]

||Tera.... Stal||

[sacred minnow]

||Tera tera tera||

[torn ore]

So... ||Paradox Entei and Terrakion at most. 19th Tera type and maybe Hydrapplin if we're lucky||

[tropic pollen]

||i dont see the point in revealing the mechanics of the 19th type 7 days before release. might as well keep it a mystery at that point||

[torn ore]

||Oh we're likely to see the Legendary catch-a-thon||

[sacred minnow]

The what

[white garden]

||You know how you catch past Gen legendaries in ORAS, USUM, And Crown Tundra?||

[sacred minnow]

Oh

[spice timber]

right now, we have an idea of a few things about it

notably that ||it seemingly does not include every legendary, and that it might work like how ramanas park worked in bdsp with items you use to find each legendary||

[tropic pollen]

My guess is ||the two remaining paradox legendaries and revealing returning legendaries||

||i actually want them to save Hydrapplin completely||

[wanton trail]

They should ||tease Hydrapplin but not reveal it completely. Like a brief “What? Dipplin is evolving!” And then end the trailer there.||

[spice timber]

incoming shot of ||kieran with his back turned to the camera giving his dipplin something||

[spare hare]

||my predictions: only new pokemon they would do a full reveal for are paradox entei (triceratops) and paradox terrakion, peachikeen won't be shown at all, maybe a hydrapplin hint although honestly I feel like they'd want to avoid showing it so they don't have to address Kieran too much in the trailer, and probably a hint of something happening with terapagos but nothing shown clearly

Show you can catch legendaries but might be obscure with the mechanic, if it's heavily tied to area zero shit

More details on 19th tera type||

[harsh lion]

well

[spice timber]

it's actually over

hopefully they ain't locked though, because those encounters look sick

[torn ore]

Wait

I see the deal with the missing legendaries now

||Dialga and Palkia 5 star Tera Raid||

[harsh lion]

yeah that might be it

Wait

||5??||

WTF

[torn ore]

Oh noticed something real interesting about the 19th Tera Type on that trailer

||This is a different hat. Probably for normal mons||

||So the one we saw previously might be Terapagos exclusive||

[harsh lion]

or the other way around actually

[torn ore]

||Terapagos gets just the star hat?||

[harsh lion]

||its blue, it seems bigger and we didnt see the full thing||

||plus its placement in the trailer makes me think its terapagos tbh, pokemon does that a lot||

[torn ore]

||We see the Terapagos version before the plain crown pops up||

||The plain crown has the gem with the eyes if you look closely||

[harsh lion]

o let me check again

okay

||Terapagos using a move -> Player character terastallizing a Pokémon -> 19th Tera Type crown that we've seen before -> A new Tera Type crown, this one's blue -> Art of Terapagos||

[torn ore]

||Yes||

[tropic pollen]

||that to me felt more like Terapagos has the blue crown||

[harsh lion]

^

[torn ore]

||Well we'll find out next week lol||

||But I'm going with my theory of Blue Crown = 19th type crown for every other mon, Crown with all the gems and shit = For turtle||

[harsh lion]

||I will say the pointy crown here is shown in terapagos's art in the sv book||

||We don't know if the blue one is also pointy though||

[candid nebula]

||I don't think what we saw before the blue crown is the crown we saw before because unless I'm blind, I see the Type crystals swirling around an orb or smth||

[harsh lion]

||Oh ya this doesnt have icons right||

||Honestly it might be hinting at Terapagos's third form lol||

[torn ore]

||It got em, just really bright lmao||

[harsh lion]

Oh no i can see them now oops

SV lighting

SV lighting

[torn ore]

||Definitely is lmao. The way the Type Icons on the gems are drawn also got the bumpy outlines like the ones on Terapagos' shell||

[harsh lion]

||Also what's the red pointy thing supposed to be||

[torn ore]

||Looks like there are some stars floating around, lemme grab another screenshot||

[harsh lion]

||Ye but it looks like the type icons are on top of it||

[torn ore]

||Like one on the right||

[harsh lion]

Also

||I wouldnt expect them to reveal terapagos's new tera crown alongside the tera type that "showcases" it on baxcalibur tbf||

Yeah

[harsh lion]

||Oh wait no it looks like the red is around the gems in this screenshot||

[wanton trail]

||would the new terapagos form be called tera crown though||

Wait

||Notice how in the trailer that the Tao Trio have their own separate clips. Gen 5 remakes?||

[split swan]

||Kieran’s new hairstyle is a purple peach||

[spare hare]

So casuals still have a chance lmao

[harsh lion]

I guess yea

Stuff like samu and rilla make sense to be 7 star bc now we know theyre gonna be in Indigo disk

(Who knows abt the hisuians though)

Less "why are they 5 star" and more "Oh im surprised theyre 5 star bc mewtwo and the starters were 7 star" you get me

||...actually are they just keeping Mewtwo as a 7* raid exclusive,||

[spare hare]

||mfw the genetically engineered fetus is 7 star while the god of time is 5 star||

||man > god||

[tropic pollen]

||xenoblade||

[spare hare]

[wanton trail]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

Y’all I have a batshit insane theory, so insane it might be plausible

||what if Khu’s tweet about kieran being fully armed wasn’t referring to having a gun or a full team of legendaries, but referring to arms. As in, machamp has four arms. What also has four of something? Ogerpon. Ogerpon has four masks. Now, the tweet that the “fully armed” thing was in also stated that kieran would snatch something. Assuming Terapagos is a dream pokemon, Kieran won’t actually snatch something from you, he’ll wish to have your friendship with ogerpon.||

[tropic pollen]

||ah, of course, so this is actually Ogerpon ||

[wanton trail]

[spare hare]

||no more goth mela||

[split swan]

Place your bets ||will we actually get the "imagined sword of justice" and "imagined elemental beast" in the DLC or no||

[spice timber]

datamine spoilers ||we actually know that they're not in the dlc||

[split swan]

||wonder if we will get them at all or not||

[velvet bobcat]

||I hope they still do some mythicals outside the dlc or something||

||instead of immediately moving on to the next game||

[harsh lion]

||what the fuck||

[rough kelp]

LMAO

[spare hare]

||octobros... it's so joever||

[tropic pollen]

||@spare hare it could also be the "zombie" thing in the code||

[spare hare]

||dieran||

[tropic pollen]

||german??||

[tranquil laurel]

Hey what was that move Joe Serebii casually mentioned and didn’t elaborate on

[spice timber]

iirc it was ||supercharged cell||?

[tranquil laurel]

Right

[tropic pollen]

||There was gonna be 23 new battle tracks, yes?||

||lets try counting them||

||```- birds

• beasts
• ho-oh
• Lugia
• Eon duo
• Super ancient trio
• Swords of Justice
• Tao trio
• Light trio
• Kubfu
• Horses```||

||That’s already 11. If we then count||

||```- Blueberry wild battle

• Blueberry elite 4
• Kieran 3?
• Terapagos```||
  ||that’s 15.||

[rough kelp]

||Blueberry Students, Briar, Cyrano(?)||

||terapagos may have a bunch. as far as I am concerned it could have 3||

[tropic pollen]

||i dont think bluebrrry students will have a different battle theme cuz Kitakami trainers didnt, unless other information has stated otherwise||

[surreal vault]

||Maybe there's a gym leader remix?||

[rough kelp]

true...

||there may also be a random remix for a battle or two like paradox pokemon theme||

[tropic pollen]

||there could be one for the paradox legendaries and sub-area zero yea?||

[rough kelp]

all fun and games till someone looked into the game file on release day and find ||Battle! Hatsune Miku||

oh actually jedi

||zombies||

[tropic pollen]

||well yea but are we gonna fight them||

[split swan]

I wonder if ||the legendary tracks will just be reuses of old themes||

[spare hare]

Probably bc ||I can't imagine they would actually make that many new remixes honestly||

But props to them if they do

[wanton trail]

My new theory: ||Kieran will use that new trading mechanic to steal Ogerpon from you, then use dokutaro to give ogerpon a new mask: the Peachikeen Mask, made from making a wish to Terapagos||

[tropic pollen]

||cant really work if you have Ogerpon in home||

[wanton trail]

||true… perhaps he makes a wish to Terapagos to get his own ogerpon||

||he won’t directly snatch anything, but make a wish||

[spare hare]

||me using synchro machine on ogerpon to directly use ivy cudgel on hydrapplin||

Insane that we're...

5 days away wtf

Actually more like 4 now

[spice timber]

ngl, this might actually flat-out not leak

and i'm all for it

this must be the first time we've had a pokemon game not leak in some major way before launch since like the gb days

[spare hare]

Can't wait for indigo disk to release and for the community to realize there is no move called supercharged cell

[spice timber]

the supercharged cell psyop

[tropic pollen]

||Just saying.... they brought in Toby Fox as a guest composer.... who says they cant bring in more....||

[spare hare]

||this would be our first juan remix||

[harsh lion]

its in the files but its used nowhere in the game and you cant even use it via metronome

when you get the materials for supercharged cell's TM it just becomes charge

[tropic pollen]

question how does Bloodmoon Ursa look like in the files

like ID n shit

[spice timber]

i don't know specifics, but iirc it's treated as an ursaluna form

if you have a shiny ursaluna on your file, you'll be able to see shiny bm ursaluna in the dex for example

[tropic pollen]

||im asking cuz i remember there being data for another Perrin quest and i was wondering wth it could be this time||

[ivory prawn]

||Man in the entire history of Pokemon not being chiptune how many times have they remixes themes for returning legendaries
Is it literally just XY's Mewtwo theme and SwSh's Regi theme||

[tropic pollen]

||Uhm. not true. HGSS weather trio||

[ivory prawn]

||I said not being chiptune||

[tropic pollen]

||oh do you mean chiptune as in all non.orchestrated stuff||

[ivory prawn]

||As in XY onwards||

[spare hare]

||one of khu's hints from way earlier made it sound like that was how we would get hydrapplin||

||besides that, i've also seen ppl speculate it would be peachikeen or kleavor||

[ivory prawn]

||Gen V is when they started not remixing battle themes for returning legendaries, before that they would always get new remixes||

[tropic pollen]

||sorry if hydrapplin isnt gotten through an item evolution it will be very lame ||

[spare hare]

i'll try to find what he said

[shell sand]

they 100% reserved it for returning trainers than returning legendaries

[ivory prawn]

||Well no B2W2 still had a new theme for the Regis, it's just that all the other returning legendaries were from Gen IV which was also on DS so it made some sense||

[shell sand]

and considering Masters EX theyre still biased for the trainers

[ivory prawn]

||But then ORAS said "So retro" with all the returning legendary themes||

[tropic pollen]

||yea but BW2 also had like 11 remixes for gym leaders and champions||

[shell sand]

F for the legendaries

[tropic pollen]

so i excuse them

[ivory prawn]

||Should also note that Platinum had a regi remix they could've used too ig but it was kinda a funny remix tho||

||So yea I see it as kind of a "we give up" thing when they decided to make every single legendary return for ORAS that they stopped remixing returning legendary themes||

[tropic pollen]

||i think a part of it was that ORAS was also like orchestrated and shit||

[spare hare]

i kind of get it for the ||clusterfuck of legendaries||

[spare hare]

this is what i was remembering

[ivory prawn]

||The real bullshit was when the swords of justice didn't get a theme in SwSh despite not just being part of the max raid thingies||

[tropic pollen]

yea that was weird

actually wait, ive cracked the code

[spare hare]

||basically it sounds like they need an excuse to put hydrapplin in the dex besides just "kieran uses it" so ig this was their solution||

||if this does actually mean we get hydrapplin through perrin||

[spare hare]

literally

[tropic pollen]

||there will be remixes
What is my proof?
the legendary beasts
Surely they cannot do Johto Gameboy Chiptune in gen 9. Surely.
And they cant use the HGSS versions either, unless they pull a tao trio moment and use one theme for all of them.||

[spare hare]

||like they were specifically included in the crown tundra dex||

[ivory prawn]

||Why can't they use gameboy chiptune in Gen IX||

[tropic pollen]

||it would be supremely more goofy||

[shell sand]

isnt the whole shtick being about the past though jedi

[tropic pollen]

wym

[shell sand]

past = retro

= WOOO LETS REUSE 8BIT!

[ivory prawn]

||I feel like Game Boy sounds fit Gen VI and VII's soundtrack a lot less than they fit IX||

||Or well specifically ORAS, not XY||

[shell sand]

i think the most likely thing that'll happen is theyll probably just remix the track but only make one version per group

[harsh lion]

in violet they use the latest version of the legendary battle theme and inscarlet they use the first one

easy

[tropic pollen]

||no cuz in those cases they had the excuse of the legendaries being pulled from other dimensions/going to other dimensions
But this time they're naturally in the overworld||

[ivory prawn]

||The fact that they all follow this weird snack gimmick makes me have no more faith for remixes than Ramanas Park did||

[spare hare]

||mfw random ass pure space and strange space||

[tropic pollen]

thats fair

[spice timber]

||at least we're getting their actual themes this time over generic ones we've had for the last 2 collectathons||

[spare hare]

||i like how the "catch all legendaries" rationale is getting worse and worse lmao 😭 ||

||like hoopa pulling legendaries through dimensions... also makes no sense but is kind of a cool way to include that feature||

[tropic pollen]

||idk it feels better this time than previously
i do wonder if they're shiny locked tho lol||

[harsh lion]

||this is just peony extended and i dont think thats much of a compliment because its not tied to the story||

[spare hare]

it'd be dumb af if they were

[ivory prawn]

||Next generation all the legendaries are showing up to celebrate the Gen X box legendary's birthday||

[spice timber]

i think the big thing about this time is that ||we actually get to see the mons somewhere that isn't a fuckin cave||

[spare hare]

god do you think that's why they didn't ||include calyrex||

[tropic pollen]

||they didnt include him because he's gonna be a raid ||

[spice timber]

||these better not be shiny locked, i will be so mad if they are||

[spare hare]

||worst fucking raid|| of all time?

[harsh lion]

||ice rider and shadow rider raids||

[tropic pollen]

NO

[spice timber]

||what's the point of having a collectathon if you can't hunt them||?

[spare hare]

||i feel like they won't shiny lock them, i mean 90% of these are old ass mons that have been around for years now||

||they weren't locked in usum, swsh, etc. either||

[tropic pollen]

shiny horses.... lets go....

[spare hare]

||pla is just. weird||

||but ig they didn't want ppl to feel forced into resetting a billion times and not being able to progress story or something? idk||

[tropic pollen]

shiny locks in general just suck, rare gen 5 L

[spice timber]

the thing is that ||every overworld static encounter we've had since swsh has been locked barring the ct swords, so they'd have to break that precedent for them to be huntable||

[spare hare]

||well i think the bigger point here is that the shiny locks have almost exclusively been relegated to new mons, not the returning ones||

[spice timber]

||so it's kind of a clash between "this is the most obvious choice imaginable" and "they've never done this before"||

[spare hare]

||except for pla, ofc||

||and they did have static encounters that weren't locked, like the galar regis and every bdsp encounter (although lol it's bdsp)||

[spice timber]

i think the major thing is that ||these would show up shiny in the overworld, before you encounter them||

[spare hare]

||yea that's the biggest issue i think, but could be easily worked around if they actually wanted to||

[spice timber]

||it might make hunting for them really suck if they're unlocked, unless you can respawn them easily||

[spare hare]

||like we don't know how exactly they spawn in, so maybe you have to interact with a point before they show up||

in which case boom, reset point

[tropic pollen]

||i do wonder how they would be "soft resettable," other than idk,
Getting the Snack, then Going to the Area and THEN checking if its shiny or not (4 minutes per reset)||

[spice timber]

it could work like ||gen 4 honey trees where you drop off the snack at an area and then come back||

[spare hare]

it could also be like ||it triggers an event as soon as you get into the general area they're supposed to spawn||

[spice timber]

in which case ||resets would probably be just saving right before the radius where they spawn in||

[tropic pollen]

||guess im just worried cuz of how literally every legendary has been locked so far||

||like from the video, they dont look any different from how the Loyal Three acted||

[harsh lion]

||all legendaries in sv have been new outside of raid events no?||

[spice timber]

yeah

[spare hare]

||it'd suck if this was the actual standard going forward bc of how they show all the pokemon in the overworld now||

[harsh lion]

||though diapal being shiny locked is. hm||

[spice timber]

that might just be cuz ||they're legendaries, and slither wing/iron moth are mons you can hunt normally||

[tropic pollen]

hence the concern

[harsh lion]

||you could also catch more than one wingmoth i think||

[tropic pollen]

lemme check something

[spice timber]

i think it's a good sign that ||all the legendaries here are postgame, and the context overall is similar to peony and DAs||

[tropic pollen]

||do you guys think they'll do the PLA legendaries first and then move over to other transfer only legends||

[spare hare]

it definitely is concerning bc in the ||trailer they're just standing there|| 😭

but idk, i think there's good reason it could go either way

[spare hare]

||probably? partly bc sinnoh legends also are just not catchable ingame anyways ||

[spice timber]

oh yeah, ||pla was also a special case because there, you needed every legendary to get to volo and arceus||

[spare hare]

so it's an easy place to start, ||since they're already in the game as transferable mons||

[tropic pollen]

||im like 90% sure all the raids from now on are just gonna be transfer only legendaries||

||finally. calyrex and gen 8 regis...||

[spice timber]

||regi raids for the next 3 years pogo style||

[spare hare]

||ice rider scarlet, shadow rider violet||

[rough kelp]

chat this smell like ||jedi wanted a zame remix||

[tropic pollen]

I mean i would not say no

[rough kelp]

true tbh...

[tropic pollen]

So when was the last time something didnt leak, was it crown tundra

[spice timber]

crown tundra leaked

[surreal vault]

Pope spectrier image

[harsh lion]

CT leaked the day before release or somethin

but it was just like

probably the moves and abilities names and effects and the two horses

[tropic pollen]

Oh right, guess it was isle of armor then

[spice timber]

iirc isle of armor did leak?

but it was just moves and such

we already knew every mon in the dlc

[torn ore]

I say Indigo Disk stuff will leak from Home day prior

[spare hare]

yea isle of armor did leak in part

[tropic pollen]

Well then damn, when was the last time then

[harsh lion]

LGPE probably idk

though that also mightve leaked - as in the full game - a week or two before release

[spare hare]

lgpe probably did leak honestly, it's a huge switch game

i just don't remember anything from it bc there wasn't that much new to the series

[harsh lion]

SM didnt exactly leak i think it was mostly the demo datamine but it probably applies here since were waiting for home datamine

there were XY and ORAS leaks

so uh

[spice timber]

i remember people playing lgpe roms

[spare hare]

the games have leaked ever since i have started playing pokemon

[spice timber]

that's how we found out that nothing was shiny locked

[spare hare]

so uh

when did gen 1 come out

[harsh lion]

i started in like 2004 or 2005

there were probably bw leaks or something

i dont think pokemon has ever not leaked

[spare hare]

yea there were bw leaks for sure

spicy

[spice timber]

that one guy waiting 20 hours with 1 byte per second upload times to leak pokemon silver

[tropic pollen]

The whole dex was uploaded online days before release

I remember the youtube video

[harsh lion]

mustve been tough not seeing pikachu

[tropic pollen]

didn’t care

I was a gangster 12 year old

[harsh lion]

Fire

[surreal vault]

SM did leak

ROMs anyways

[tropic pollen]

And i guess we cant say ID didnt leak when its been the Khu show for 4 years

[surreal vault]

True True

[spice timber]

it's kinda funny in the case of ||dokutaro||

this is the first time we might end up only being able to see that mon through official teasers instead of leaks

[tropic pollen]

I dont think it’ll be teased at all

[surreal vault]

Because it was already teased :rdj:

[spice timber]

i mean more the ingame teasers

most of everything we know about ||dokutaro|| comes from stuff hidden in teal mask

[dry shell]

||Do we know which if any mythicals are returning ||

[spare hare]

||not yet||

[wanton trail]

The fact HOME hasn’t leaked yet is astounding

[tropic pollen]

hear me out
||what if Kieran poisons your pokemon/sets up toxic spikes, and Hydrapplin has merciless as an ability||

[spare hare]

||domain expansion
toxic void||

[wanton trail]

||How many domain expansion jokes am I going to see today||

[spare hare]

so there were some pastebins posted on 4chan that have a purportedly datamined list of new tms/moves and pokemon learnsets; however i'm not posting them here bc i think they're legit but rather just bc they're fun to read. it likely isn't real given it's a random unsourced datamine with minor errors (like sceptile having 205 sp atk and meganium's razor leaf being formatted as "Razor LEaf") that shouldn't actually have occurred if this was a datamine, so don't take any of this as confirmed

also no story in this so dw about that

new tms/moves:
https://pastebin.com/i2G1fUta
pokemon learnsets (new pokemon are at the bottom):
https://pastebin.com/PVEzt17s

||afaik all their information fits with the leak info we have so far, like the names fitting alphabetically within the earlier datamined ranges and terapagos having a defensive ability, but that could just mean they keep up with leaks ||

[harsh lion]

based sceptile buff

[wanton trail]

Oh my god

It leaked

[harsh lion]

Not really

[spare hare]

this is why i put the disclaimer at the beginning lol

[tropic pollen]

Rail please, i know you can read 😭