Leaks for Pokémon

[wanton trail]

||okay guys, so. Kitakami is probably based in johto which is why there was so many johto mons, and we also got huge amounts of johto representation lately.||

||BUT we also got tons of unova mentions by briar in dlc.||

||Legends Johto or legends Unova||

[candid nebula]

||I've said this before but thinking the Ancient and Iron Legendary Trios are the beasts and swords because Kitakami and Blueberry Academy are near Johto/Sinnoh/Japan and Unova respectively||

[wanton trail]

||that could be the case||

||if we got a game that is literally legends unova and johto combined I would flip out||

[tropic pollen]

||Kitakami is between Johto and Sinnoh based off where the Akita region in Japan is||

[wanton trail]

||WAIT WHY DOES THAT IDEA SOUND AMAZING||

[wanton trail]

Ah

[candid nebula]

||And the Johto trio are ancient paradoxes because Kitakami is rustic, while the swords are iron paradoxes because the BB Academy is futuristic||

[tropic pollen]

||i thought of that too||

||its rather neat||

[spare hare]

It's gonna look sick

[wanton trail]

Yup

[torn ore]

||Really hoping Terapagos' secret form gets a HOME render and official art. Beeg Mask Ogerpon didn't get a Home Render and now I'm wondering if it'll get any official art at all||

[candid nebula]

||Hopefully it does when the website eventually gives info on Ogerpon 😭||

[spare hare]

this with eviolite

||(dipplin)||

[tropic pollen]

||does it get giga drain||

[spare hare]

Ya

[tropic pollen]

hm it could be alright in lower tiers

||thing is dragon/grass is not a good defensive typing lol||

[spice timber]

dlc2 leaks/datamines
||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1702434854267154659 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

SV 2.0.1 added in even more stubbed text entries for Indigo Disk than previously mentioned. Here are a handful of new findings:

• The BB League (4 Kings) are Fairy, Fire, Steel, and Dragon specialists
• 9 camera emotes
• 23 Battle BGMs
• 30 League Club BGMs
• 1 Ribbon

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Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 9:31 PM

||23 battle themes could be legendary themes?||

[rough kelp]

||specifically battle?||

[spice timber]

||BGM means background music, so presumably 23 battle themes||

[ivory prawn]

||Huh did the legends have their themes in SwSh
I assumed they'd just find an excuse to not include them again||

[rough kelp]

no faye

[spice timber]

they didn't

[rough kelp]

||literally only regi has their theme back||

||swords of justice use wild theme and the rest has dynamax adventure||

[spice timber]

i wonder if this means ||we're getting something closer to oras and usum for our legendary callbacks||, which is like best case scenario if true

[rough kelp]

I hope so

[ivory prawn]

||Aw hell nah swords of justice using the wild theme was huge bullshit||

[rough kelp]

||k but where would they be though. Surely there's no legendary just chilling in the fucking terarium?||

...

[spice timber]

my theory is ||they get summoned by the time machine or terapagos||

[rough kelp]

||area zero???||

[ivory prawn]

||Area Zero is my guess yea||

[candid nebula]

||Depths of Area Zero? Terapagos imaginary power?||

[spice timber]

like how ||the oras legendaries are summoned by hoopa and the usum ones are from alternate dimensions||

[rough kelp]

I hope they ||are roaming inside area zero. haha just walking around crystal cave and suddenly giratina jumpscare||

[spice timber]

all i hope is that ||they're not cancerous to shiny hunt, and not shiny locked||

bonus points if ||you can do runaways for them||

[tropic pollen]

Well lets try to count

[ivory prawn]

||I mean you can't count b/c you don't know how many original themes there are||

[rough kelp]

I hope ||if they bring the kanto birds back they also use galar birds theme, or a remix of it. leave the kanto one for mewtwo||

[ivory prawn]

||And there's not more than 23 legendary themes||

[spice timber]

well we can count the ||amount of old battle themes||

[tropic pollen]

||Kieran again, probably
Wild Pokemon battle, perhaps each biome has its own theme?
Elite four
Facility battle?
“Champion”
Terapagos
Legendary paradox?

Cant think of any more ||

[rough kelp]

||kanto legend, entei, suicune, raikou, ho-oh, lugia, super ancient, super ancient primal, regi, dialga palkia, dialga palkia origin(?), giratina, sinnoh legend, unova legend, reshiram zekrom, kyurem, bw kyurem, xy legend, tapu, sol luna necro, mane wing necro, ultra necro, dog 1, dog 2, eter 1, eter 2, dog eter 3, urshifu, caly , horse , calyhorse, galar birds||

[candid nebula]

||I wouldn't be surprised if Terapagos has like 2 or 3 themes considering it'll be the grand conclusion to the entire story||

[rough kelp]

?

[ivory prawn]

||So Retro Kanto legends, dogs, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Regis, Super-Ancients, Lake Gods, Sinnoh, Dialga/Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Unova, Kalos, Tapu, Solgaleo/Lunala, Sword Shield guys, Eternatus oh screw u skelly||

[tropic pollen]

Thats 30

[rough kelp]

could negate some

[spice timber]

||gen 1 bird theme
gen 6 mewtwo theme
johto legendary theme for beasts
ho-oh theme
lugia theme
regi theme
weather trio theme
lake trio theme
creation trio theme
gen 4 basic legendary theme
gen 5 basic legendary theme
reshiram/zekrom theme
kyurem theme?
xerneas/yveltal theme (probably used for zygarde too)
island guardian theme
ultra beast theme
light trio theme
ultra necrozma theme?
eternatus theme
dog theme
galar bird theme
calyrex + horse themes
urshifu theme?||

[rough kelp]

||entei raikou suicune could share, no theme for extra forms||

[ivory prawn]

||Yea they use the first versions of the themes in VI and VII so wouldn't be the three variations from HGSS||

[rough kelp]

||they could make calyhorse share theme too||

[spice timber]

huh, this doesn't really add up

[ivory prawn]

||I can't remember if they properly preserved Reshiram and Zekrom's two separate themes in VI and VII||

[spice timber]

perhaps ||it's like 7-8 themes used universally for the legends||

[ivory prawn]

||Actually wait no now that I think about it didn't all three of the Tao trio just use Kyurem's theme or some shit||

[rough kelp]

yeah they could just do ||generic theme of each region for everyone||

[candid nebula]

||The count is too much if we also count the likely new themes from Indigo Disk||

[rough kelp]

okay but imagine if we get ||some old trainer jumpscare in those 23 songs||

[tropic pollen]

||This list leaves 13 left at worst, 18 left at best||

[tropic pollen]

||It was Zekroms||

[ivory prawn]

||God why||

[spice timber]

presumably we're gonna get like

a bunch of battle music in disk

[rough kelp]

don't want to sound like a pokemon gimmick account here but what if ||cynthia jumpscare||

[spice timber]

||another wild battle theme + bb league theme(s) + kieran theme redux + briar theme (maybe) + terapagos theme + beast/sword paradox theme + potential final battle themes + whatever they do for bonus content||

[ivory prawn]

||I mean since it's in Unova what about an N jumpscare||

[rough kelp]

blueberry do be ||in Unova, by the sea, meaning it could be near undella||

[ivory prawn]

||Smh stop making sense||

[rough kelp]

no

[tropic pollen]

||what about Iris||

||Drayton’s auntie||

[ivory prawn]

||Who||

[rough kelp]

||the girl who died in megaman x4 I think||

/j

[ivory prawn]

||Um uhhh it can't be Iris b/c she doesn't fit the high-tech vibe of Blueberry Academy||

[rough kelp]

faye wdym ||her room has lightshow||

[ivory prawn]

||Ok and
That's clearly made with radioactive dragon piss and blood||

||Anyway I can't wait til it's something boring like Colress where they explain that he is the technical genius who designed a school that could exist in the ocean||

[spice timber]

real talk, i wouldn't be surprised if ||the school was literally just imagined into existence with the tera jewels||

[spare hare]

||https://twitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1702490051802739125 ||

Anubis (@Sibuna_Switch)

I found the check that SV 2.0.1 uses for whether a Pokémon is a sublegendary, and it does include Ogerpon, Okidogi, Munkidori, and Fezandipiti. The game considers them sublegends.

The error where Shiinotic is a mythical but Marshadow is not hasn't been fixed.

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 1:10 AM

oh oops not the tweet i meant to post

but this is still funny lol

[spice timber]

lfg ||shiinotic distribution when||

[spare hare]

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1702371113366323646 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

In SV 2.0.1, a new move description was added for an alternate version of Tera Blast (move ID 851)... could this perhaps be related to the previously revealed 19th Tera Type?

No move data associated with this specific version of Tera Blast is present, just this empty text entry.

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Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 5:17 PM

[candid nebula]

||sub-legendary?||

[tropic pollen]

||Okay but modern remaster……..||

[spare hare]

||new tera blast-like description, probably either for 19th tera type or a terapagos move||

[tropic pollen]

Neat

[spice timber]

iirc the biggest thing with ||sub-legendary mons is that they're not restricted in official comp games as much as box legends are||

[spare hare]

like articuno, type:null, tapu koko, landorus, etc.

[spice timber]

it's stuff like ||the beasts and swords||

less bst

[candid nebula]

Oooh

[spare hare]

||https://gist.github.com/Lusamine/a8604135b89dcfa840c61900c43df569 ||

these are all the official classifications in the data

you know except shiinotic is in instead of marshadow lol

[ivory prawn]

Oh wow Ultra Beasts aren't sub-legends anymore

[spare hare]

it's worth noting ||it's not like swsh had all the old themes either||

||if it really is tera raid stuff for a lot of the legends like how swsh had dmax adventures, it might be a special tera raid theme or something||

[tropic pollen]

||how many battle themes did crown tundra have||

[candid nebula]

||I'm guessing Terapagos will just be a legendary?||

[spare hare]

||although 23 themes is a lot otherwise lol||

[candid nebula]

||Like Calyrex is||

[spice timber]

it feels like ||there's either a bunch of legendary themes or they have an insane amount of battle content prepared||

[tropic pollen]

||it is a battle Academy after all||

[spare hare]

||dmax legend, peony, horses, calyrex, calyrex rider, regis, galar birds, uhhhh||

is that it?

[ivory prawn]

||Crown Tundra had jack shit it used the stupid dynamax adventure as an excuse to give them all one theme yet it still couldn't be assed to gived the swords of justice a remix despite them actually being part of the crown tundra outside of the 'all the legends are back' feature||

[spare hare]

idr

||i could see there being some bloat from event battles since there'll probably be a lot of unique battle types in indigo disk||

[ivory prawn]

Yea that's it king

[spice timber]

here's the real question

||do they use the bdsp remixes for the gen 4 mons||

[spare hare]

||like at LEAST 1 terarium wild theme, bb league theme, maybe some standard blueberry battle theme, probably several themes for terapagos, maybe a tera legend theme, paradox legend themes||

[spice timber]

||istg if they retcon out the gen 4 lake trio slap bass i will be so irrationally upset||

[ivory prawn]

||No b/c like I said Gen VI and VII always used the oldest version of the theme||

||Except for Kanto using the Gen VI theme ig||

So Retro

[spare hare]

||gen 6 had a so retro excuse with them being pulled out of those games at least||

||as for gen 7 uhhh idk ultra space||

[tropic pollen]

My guess is

||Kieran again, probably
Wild Pokemon battle, perhaps each biome has its own theme?
Elite four
Facility battle?
“Champion”
Terapagos
Legendary paradox?

That leaves 13 left at worst, 18 at best ||

[spare hare]

||there's gonna be a new food type power that affects all types||

[ivory prawn]

||Inb4 terapagos has like 4 different themes||

[spare hare]

||i think terapagos will probably have multiple, especially since it's gonna have the terastal form and something else||

||like with eternatus and calyrex||

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1702434861288493240 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

New dressup items:
• 8 outfits
• 4 eyewear
• 5 gloves
• 4 bags
• 5 footwear
• 10 headwear
• 2 legwear
• 7 phone cases
• 6 hairstyles
• 6 new clothing colors

In addition to:
• 15 new met locations
• New types of Food Power that apply to all 18 types simultaneously

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Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 9:31 PM

[candid nebula]

||Normal Form Terapagos, Terastal Form Terapagos, Terastalized Terapagos, final stretch||

[spare hare]

||this all type food power about to cost 69 herba mystica bruh||

[spice timber]

oh shit

||6th herba mystica hours||?

[vestal arch]

||raid power but it actually fucking works lfg||

[spare hare]

|| https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1702434865285673204 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

Three new battle states:
• TyoudenkiHou
• KimaguLaser
• terasushell (presumably "Tera Shell")

New trainers:
• TARO, KAKITUBATA, NERINE, AKAMATU, SHIANO, GFATHER, GGMOTHER
• 60 generic
• 3 Dragon challenge
• 5 Fairy challenge
• 3 Fire challenge
• side_villager01/02

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Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 9:31 PM

[spice timber]

||"tera shell" i wonder what that could possibly be referring to||

[spare hare]

[tropic pollen]

||”Gfather” Heath..?||

[tranquil laurel]

||I hope the DLC ends with terapagos falling on the region like the moon from majora||

[candid nebula]

||What the hell is a TyoudenkiHou and KimaguLaser||

[spare hare]

||i feel like he's gotta have some relevance here||

||although it does also say "GGMOTHER"||

[tranquil laurel]

||There do be that Time Machine doe||

[tropic pollen]

||the professor? Scarlet is the base game||

[spice timber]

we did just get direct proof that ||tera energy can revive people||

[tropic pollen]

||did we||

||i thought the pool just showed you reflections of the past, not the genuine article||

[tranquil laurel]

||I really hope they do genuinely go crazy with the finale to all this||

[spare hare]

oh ok teal mask shit i'm leaving bye lmao

[tropic pollen]

||a mirage||

[spice timber]

in teal mask, ||the loyal three get revived by the teal mask's tera jewels||

[spare hare]

i actually still have not been spoiled on plot somehow

[spice timber]

oh shit mb

[spare hare]

nah that's not your fault lmao i'm the one in datamine thraed

[tropic pollen]

||oh is that how that happens?||

[spice timber]

i think it's implied to be so, because ||at the tera crystal pool area there's lore text that states that you can see the deceased with the crystals or something like that||

god all this shit is making me so excited for disk

it really feels like ||they're setting up for something fucking massive to happen then||

and combined with the rumors of ||paradox unova, this dlc might actually end by setting up for that, which would imply that that game is kind of sv2 and bw3 at the same time||

[candid nebula]

||Not sure if it was specifically the Tera Crystals, I doubt the other Masks would've revived them||

||It was specifically the Teal Mask that was said to be able to revive stuff||

||Which I guess can be related to the Tera Crystals but it's probably also something to do with the masks themselves too||

[tranquil laurel]

Bro if that happened I might lose my mind

[ivory prawn]

||How are you guys not freaking out that literally says tera sus hell||

[tropic pollen]

||Briar did talk about researching to have the Terastal mechanic in other regions. This is probably just for Blueberry tho||

Faye translate the others <3

[spice timber]

||her namedropping unova is pretty sus to me considering they could've easily had the bb academy somewhere in the middle of nowhere, but yeah that's true||

[ivory prawn]

||Uhh TyoudenkiHou probably means like Super Electric Cannon and KimaguLaser seems to mean Capricious Laser?||

||Unless there's a Pokemon which Japanese name is Tyoudenki?||

Doesn't seem like it

[spare hare]

||the first one sounds like archaludon to me||

Although ||idk what a "battle state" means exactly, but maybe they mean when archaludon turns into a rail gun for electro shot ||

[ivory prawn]

Oh that makes sense

||What are battle states anyway||

[spare hare]

Oh shit ||maybe archaludon tera form or something?||

I have no idea tho

[ivory prawn]

Wait Battle States is official terminology isn't it

Like the Status screen shows Battle States and Effects or some shit?

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:TehPerson/Battle_state#Volatile_battle_states
Like these things?

||So I feel like then TyoudenkiHou and KimaguLaser are probably attack names that put Archaludon and whoever uses KimaguLaser into some effect||

[tropic pollen]

||Could the second be Meteor Beam?||

[ivory prawn]

||Don't we know what Archaludon's signature move is||

[candid nebula]

||Maybe Terapagos' Ability gives it the shield that Tera Raid Pokemon use?||

[rough kelp]

yeah we do faye

||electric-type meteor solar beam for rain||

[candid nebula]

||Maybe like a Terastalized Ability like Ogerpon's Embody Aspect||

[ivory prawn]

Ah, do we know its name though

[candid nebula]

||Electro Beam or smth||

||Wait no, that's the Japanese name, it's Electro Shot in English||

[ivory prawn]

||Well if I had any idea where to look at the internal names of other attacks or battle statuses we could see if there's anything to compare to but I don't in fact know where to find those
But yea it being Electro Beam would make sense||

[rough kelp]

I think bulbapedia should have the move up, even if incomplete

[ivory prawn]

TRANSLATORS WHY

[rough kelp]

japanese name I meant

[rough kelp]

wait

on the topic of ||possible unova cameo. cheren is a teacher right||

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

||nemona also make note of cheren being a teacher in masters||

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[spare hare]

that'd be pretty interesting considering we ||still have not gotten any cameo chars in sv yet||

||and we never did in swsh either||

[silver shore]

||cheren cameo in indigo disc 🙏||

Oops sorry for the ping

[rough kelp]

that didn't ping

if it pings you will see an @ in front of the name on the quote

[spare hare]

not sorry for the ping.

[rough kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-now-drop-on-the-deck-and-flop-like-a-fish-flop-like-a-fish-deck-fish-gif-13068421675792593642

[silver shore]

This gif is sending me

[tropic pollen]

||please have his swag encounter theme then||

[harsh lion]

||if sada/turo comes back to life just let it be known i told you so 👍||

||anyway for legendary themes you can have a count of 23 but it would leave out actual tracks that should be in game like terapagos (at least one battle theme), terarium (at least one battle theme, might even be up to four), bb league, briar, blueberry principal, kieran, maybe carmine, paradox legendary(?)||

[tropic pollen]

||ya we been thru this||

||blueberry principal is a good call tho||

[harsh lion]

||fairy lady could have two themes bc she seems to be more important so maybe shes a rival of sorts. and i also hope to see arven, nemona and penny back...||

[harsh lion]

||and also. sada/turo. predicting this||

[candid nebula]

||I think it's more likely to be the other professor than the professor literally resurrecting||

[harsh lion]

||id agree if it werent for the fact that resurrection seems to be on the table now tbh||

[sacred minnow]

||guys hear me out, what if paradox terrakion is actually a car||

[silver shore]

|| https://twitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1702555816564338960?t=TwtJHZpLkk5k9IrQWXKEug&s=19 ||

Jan ただのポケモントレーナーさ (@hsinhsung9487)

Several people DMed me this post seemingly from the Chinese RIddler.

This reads:
"Koraidon Miraidon Terapagos will each get a Battle State"
"Similar to Ogerpon in dlc1"
"In other words the box legend will get more powerful in dlc2"

Take it as you will.

Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 5:31 AM

[rough kelp]

space between end of link and || for embed

[silver shore]

Oh ic thank you

[rough kelp]

oh

this match up with the stuffs earlier

[rough kelp]

?

how trustable here

[torn ore]

||The only thing it doesn't line up with is Khu's number of forms leak||

||But what are "Battle States" exactly?||

[tropic pollen]

||seems to be how a battle is set up. A wild pokemon and a titan encounter has different battle states. Ogerpon's is unique too||

||thats what i get from reading the comments at least||

[torn ore]

||So a Terapagos boss is expected then. But what of the other two? Laser boss battle incoming||

[tropic pollen]

||it could also be Status Descriptions for when you press Y in battle||

[torn ore]

||These Terapagos crumbs are making me real impatient lmao||

||Counting the Battle BGMs again, there's can be at least 19 legendary themes assuming that the Kanto Birds and Mewtwo don't get two separate themes. Last four might fit the new DLC themes? Being Terapagos, BB Elite Four, BB Wild, and Champion||

||I doubt the Paradox Legends will be getting their own themes. If anything they'll be using the Area Zero theme||

[tropic pollen]

||you're assuming that the Blueberry dome wont have a unique wild pokemon encounter theme||

||actually, since the academy is based in Unova, maybe........||

[torn ore]

||I counted it there actually lol||

[tropic pollen]

oh yea i cant ready sorry, common issue

[torn ore]

happens to the best of us

||There's also an option of them not including the Galar and Sinnoh legends due to how recent those games were? There's not really a precedent though since SwSh still made the Alola legends and Kanto legends catchable||

||If anything, maybe the SwSh DLC legends won't be catchable instead||

||Ah fuck I forgot to count the Galarian Birds theme||

[tropic pollen]

||they could always exclude those legendaries yea||

[tropic pollen]

||God i sure hope they are, i dont wanna buy swsh DLC lmfao||

[spice timber]

||i feel like they won't exclude them, because a big selling point of the last several third versions and swsh's dlc was being able to shiny hunt last gen's legendaries||

[torn ore]

||Making the SwSh DLC legends catchable does put the risk of ruining SwSh DLC sales so I can see them get excluded for that reason lmao||

||God I hope they use the ORAS and PLA remixes of the respective legendaries this time||

||Except maybe the Lake Trio lmao||

[spice timber]

on the other hand, ||the abilty to get meta legendaries like urshifu and calyrex easily could be a selling point for this dlc||

[torn ore]

||That is true||

||Fuck I forgot to count Calyrex's Horses themes too||

||I forgot that they exist||

||They can pull a SwSh Swords of Justice on one of the trios I guess||

[ivory prawn]

||Oh huh so they're basically saying TyoudenkiHou and KimaguLaser are a Miraidon and Koraidon thing huh
I could see that||

||The SV site does say Koraidon is capricious||

||and it's the same japanese term, kimagu moment||

[candid nebula]

||inb4 it's another Paradise Guardian-like battle but Koraidon and Miraidon get Terastalized forms instead of just Terastalizing like normal||

[torn ore]

||So in addition to Terapagos' unrevealed 3rd form, Koraidon and Miraidon possibly getting another form sounds cool||

||It's most likely a Tera form since there would've been form IDs for it?||

[torn ore]

||Final battle with Terapagos 3rd form where we use our Ride Lizard again, this time with their shiny new Tera form||

[split swan]

I kinda wish the Gen 9 starters will get tera armor forms too

[spice timber]

had a thought about (dlc2) ||the final unleaked mon||

what if the reason we don't know about is because ||it's literally a human, or a pokemon that was disguised as one||?

||heath seeing an actual person in his area zero induced fever dream would either imply that terapagos has a humansona or that there's someone else down there we haven't met or don't know enough about, and we know now that briar probably isn't that person||

||and we also don't know about who gave the loyal three their chains, though that might not matter in the long run||

||they set up geeta to be sus in the main game and are keeping up the glimmora/tera crystal lore tidbit in kitakami, so i feel like she's the most likely contender for this gen's skinwalker||

[arctic bobcat]

reading this as someone who knows nearly nothing but cursory facts about this new game, this is a very surreal experience

[spice timber]

for context, they've been building up a larger story over the course of the game and its dlc

centered around a specific surreal area in the middle of the region that's full of crystals with reality-bending powers

this stuff is just my theory on it

[arctic bobcat]

a game theory

thanks for watching

[torn ore]

||It could be, the only hint we have for the 8th unleaked mon is something Peach related||

||iirc Khu said the story of Part 1 will have some sort of continuation in Part 2. And Momotaro is the Peach boy.||

||Unless Ogerpon is both Momotaro and the Ogre combined||

[spice timber]

i think ||the peach means that it's the original person that gave the loyal three their chains, but then it wouldn't make sense for that mon to be some huge massive spoiler if it was just that||

[spice timber]

i could also definitely see this, ||considering how its face is orange like a peach and it has a stem/ahoge thing on the top of its head, as if it's momotaro disguising themself as the ogre||

[rough kelp]

when you ||read the signboards a human sihoulette with momotaro hair was depicted with the loyal three, although all 3 of them make no mention of said human||

sus...

[tropic pollen]

||There is an NPC that suggests the figure was the loyal 3’s trainer||

[rough kelp]

sus

[torn ore]

||https://twitter.com/palkiaorigin/status/1703008623033815420/photo/1||

[tropic pollen]

link dont work

[torn ore]

I'm trying lmfao

Why don't the fx embed thing work anymo

[tropic pollen]

no i mean the tweet has been deleted

[torn ore]

Wtf

Luckily I got the image

[tropic pollen]

||oh huh thats peach shaped||

[rough kelp]

||peach jumpscare||

[tropic pollen]

||perhaps a mythical?||

[rough kelp]

why deleted tweet though

is it a jestin

[torn ore]

Minor spelling error perhaps

[rough kelp]

i'll check

[tropic pollen]

||https://youtu.be/ySVmCXJyIgU?si=IhYSMEuMNjb5Avsp&t=118 ||

it is there

[torn ore]

||Evil Peach||

[rough kelp]

no like jedi, I meant the ||full image of the peach?||

[torn ore]

||Possibly from datamining the story assets||

[rough kelp]

although, I think it's real because ||the peach is not part of okidogi or fezan, you can clearly see it move in independently||

[tropic pollen]

||o yea, definitely an internal graphic||

[torn ore]

||Either the 8th Indigo Disk mon, or the mythical||

[tropic pollen]

||its gonna be called like. Momopon or somth||

||a fourth hidden member out of a trio screams mythical to me (Keldeo)||

[torn ore]

||Actually since there's only 8 species in the datamine, wonder what Khu meant in the "+1" in "7 + 8 + 1" riddle of his||

[rough kelp]

hmm an addition to ||fruit-themed pokemon team which is literally just 3 applin evos rn||

[tropic pollen]

||yea i think this is it ||

[torn ore]

||If it's the +1, that still leaves the 8th Indigo Disk mythical as a mystery lmao||

[rough kelp]

`hmmm

does this mean ||the lousy three is a quartet?||

||SV has 2 banger quartets||

[torn ore]

||Someone needs to get that Peachy's model||

[tropic pollen]

||"Jeez, Peach, whadda ya wanna do tonight?"
"The same thing we do every night, Munki. Try and take over the world."||

[rough kelp]

also || its probaby gonna be the origin of the toxic chains huh. I wonder if its ability gonna be a power creep of toxic chains 💀 ||

[tropic pollen]

||Pokemon reveals first ever Grass/Poison legendary||

[rough kelp]

💀 wait imagine ||its ability inflicts toxic on everyone upon entering the battlefield||

||but only once per battle||

[tropic pollen]

||could be poison heal||

[rough kelp]

true, but then ||it won't be poison-type||

[tropic pollen]

||its a corrosion counter||

[rough kelp]

||or it has a move that badly poison everyone on the field regardless of their type AND poison heal||

🧠 💥

[tropic pollen]

||poison/dark levitate ||

[rough kelp]

or or or

[torn ore]

||Gotta be the simplest looking Pokemon we got in the modern age||

[rough kelp]

||pure poison to be foil to teal mask ogerpon||

if it ||follows the story of momotaro this may just be one of two forms. also the art style simplify the loyal three too. maybe it has more markings||

[torn ore]

||If it has an another form, probably a Tera form. So far datamining only shows Terapagos to get non-Tera forms||

||https://x.com/palkiaorigin/status/1703013527949131807?s=20 Tweet's back up as a thread now||

PearlEnthusiast (@palkiaorigin)

A few interesting things have been found in the Pokemon Scarlet and Violet DLC about the Loyal Three and perhaps even a new Pokemon. I wonder if the story of the Teal Mask will continue into the Indigo Disk.

Thread 🧵

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:50 AM

[rough kelp]

ah

splitting the full image into thread for easier viewing, honestly based

(or for the ad revenue idk I can't see ☑️)

ban

[torn ore]

||Who are you, you tiny gremlin. How much power do you hold||

[torn ore]

shhhh shhhh

[rough kelp]

you know ||it looks sad but what if, it's floating upside down and it's actually this mischievous piece of poop, ^_^ instead of 😔 ||

[surreal vault]

||Kirby enemy design||

||Literally scarfy||

[torn ore]

||Indigo Disk can't come any sooner lmao. Wonder when's the next info drop||

||My only next guess is during SV's anniversary||

[rough kelp]

my color prediction for it

(||it's zero two. the joke is zero two||)

[surreal vault]

Can someone please post the full thread

[rough kelp]

^?

oh you mean the entire thing here

[surreal vault]

I have continued to be frustrated by Twitter's changes

[rough kelp]

||https://twitter.com/palkiaorigin/status/1703013529911984143 ||

PearlEnthusiast (@palkiaorigin)

They've subtly put this mysterious thing in the story of the ogre and the man. It looks very similar to the toxic chains that the Loyal Three wear. I wonder if this is a new Pokemon that will be introduced in DLC 2.

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:50 AM

wait don't click that

???

k nvm I need 3 spaces to embed for some reason

||https://twitter.com/palkiaorigin/status/1703013531795226778 ||

PearlEnthusiast (@palkiaorigin)

The Peachy's store also has this potential new Pokemon as pointed out by Jan.

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:50 AM

||https://twitter.com/palkiaorigin/status/1703013533414297902 ||

PearlEnthusiast (@palkiaorigin)

The Loyal Three have dex entries that state they were different before having the toxic chain. If this mysterious thing does end up being a new Pokemon, could it have been the one that gave the Loyal Three their toxic chains?

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 11:50 AM

there nova, it's the end

[surreal vault]

Ohhh yep ||look at the shape of the chains ends. There's our culprit||

[rose junco]

||"Retainer"? that means they served someone right?||

[surreal vault]

||https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-the-teal-mask.3727770/post-9782156 || I like this theory about what DLC2 will be about

[split swan]

||Isn’t Glimmora poison type… makes you wonder||

[rough kelp]

||if this wish granting toxic chains somehow also originate from tera shards...||

it would be really funny that ||rose struggles trying to find all that energy source meanwhile these funny unlimited potential crystal just pops up all over paldea||

[surreal vault]

||Yeah....||

[split swan]

||Curious if the one who gave the loyal three their poison chains was a Glimmora or a related species.||

[spice timber]

holy shit someone literally answered my question overnight

||that thing hella looks like a glimmora, it has the same facial shape||

||glimmora is also poison type (and is a flower that could bud into a peach, which this new mon is)||

i wonder if it's ||that last mon we don't know about in the dex, or a mythical similar to keldeo||?

[surreal vault]

||It should be that final pokemon||

[arctic bobcat]

||looks like its also a pig?||

||oh whoops the chat was way down here||

[shell sand]

gained muyscles

[velvet bobcat]

Just to be sure, ||do we have any confirmation on iron leaves / walking wake being catchable in the second DLC?||

[spare hare]

||it looks like they're in the blueberry dex so probably||

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1701974833334993167 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

Surprise, more Part 2: Indigo Disk leaks!

Game Freak left in habitat text data for DLC 2, which includes all species/forms... which lets us confirm the entire Blueberry Academy Pokédex!

Not included in the image are species 1013 and 1017-1023 (internal IDs).

Dex order unknown.

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Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 3:03 PM

[tropic pollen]

||sure is a lot of unova mons||

[tranquil laurel]

||But no watchog||

||No way watchog is the only Pokémon not on the switch now right||

[spare hare]

||there's also the elemental monkeys and furfrou||

I think that's it

Actually considering that ||this is the entire blueberry dex (plus the 8 new mons), it's really funny that the only paldea mons are gonna be rellor line, farigiraf, and all the new stuff||

||if one of the new mons is dipplin evo this also means it'll be alone in the blueberry dex from the applin line which is kind of awkward||

||bc like||

||I get that it'll probably be kieran's ace but it's kind of weird for it to get a dex picture then||

||it'd be kind of funny if it just had a picture related to Kieran ||

[surreal vault]

||https://twitter.com/Light_88_/status/1703047961809129760?t=51G9JyaNLh-XK9176uDbAA&s=19 ||

Light - Kitakami 🐻🌚🎭 (@Light_88_)

Probably this is a HUGE find and a confirmation that finally Koraidon and Miraidon will have Tera Forms as happen with Ogerpon and also Terapagos.
SV 2.0.1 added stubbed text for the Indigo Disk and 3 new battle stats called:
• TyoudenkiHou (Koraidon)
• KimaguLaser (Miraidon)…

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 2:07 PM

[spare hare]

||honestly it makes sense ||

||they top the bike dragon mirror match with them getting tera forms for terapagos or whatever the finale is||

[split swan]

what do those names mean

[rough kelp]

||watchhog when it comes back and has 2 keen eye now||

[rough kelp]

YOOOO ||lokix sweep||

/j

[rough kelp]

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703161838660424085 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

Found a story line quest in Indigo Disk that involves a few characters:
• "friend" (Arven)
• "rival" (Nemona)
• "botan" (Penny)
• "mama"
• "brother" (Kieran)
• "sister" (Carmine)
• "gfather"
• "gmother"

The actual plot or any relevance to the main DLC story is unknown.

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 9:40 PM

||the gang is all here||

[torn ore]

||Woke up to new Khu hints and datamines damn||

[rough kelp]

💀 ||someone in the comment said mama is perrin 💀 downbad||

[surreal vault]

||Do we even know how old she is ||

[silver shore]

||she could be in her early 20's if I had to assume||

[split swan]

||G Mother and G Father... do you think...||

[torn ore]

||...who...||

[rough kelp]

she's ||adult I believe||

[velvet bobcat]

||I'd be really funny if it was the protagonist's mother just showing up||

[rough kelp]

||british jumpscare||

[velvet bobcat]

||"That's right son, while you were on your little treasure hunt, I collected the 18 tera emeralds and will soon defeat terapagos"||

[split swan]

||I wonder if the G parents are Arven's original parents||

[rough kelp]

k first

we need to find ||who has japanese name that starts with G, among the cast||

[split swan]

||Grusha||

literally no one else

[spare hare]

apparently i was onto something here

[soft lava]

|| Geeta ||

|| seems more likely? Plausible? ||

[spare hare]

||skelly was just making a joke about the g||

||but also geeta's jp name doesn't start with g||

[soft lava]

Ah

[spare hare]

||so looks like the reason dipplin evo is in the blueberry dex but not the other apples is bc there's another event with it like blood moon ursaluna in indigo disk?||

||but since it's presumably an evo and not a standalone pokemon, if dipplin being able to use eviolite really isn't just a glitch, then presumably we should be able to get more than one?||

||bc if we only got the static one from the event it'd be incredibly weird to make it an evo and not some actual standalone pokemon||

[spice timber]

maybe ||kieran artificially evolves his dipplin with tera energy||

[soft lava]

|| It could be that the apple mons just aren't wild in this dlc. I'm not sure if they count for what data they got, but raids seem like a likely way to catch em, assuming it is just a normal evo. ||

[spare hare]

||the reason I posted the khu tweet is bc he seems to directly be hinting there is something unique going on||

[rough kelp]

||sis is reduced to "camera" 💀 ||

[spare hare]

||https://twitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1703226850082730041 ||

Jan ただのポケモントレーナーさ (@hsinhsung9487)

There are some minor datamine stuff that Matt didn't mention but were reported on Chinese social media.

This one isn't too huge but seemingly certain codenames for Indigo Disk new Pokemon are seen in codes.

Kodaikame (Ancient Turtle)
Dokutaro (Doku = poison, Taro from Momotaro)

Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 1:58 AM

||if this is legit then it looks like we might have our 8th indigo disk mon||

||terapagos, raging bolt, entei paradox, iron crown, terrakion paradox, archaludon, dipplin evo, and "dokutaro" (the poison peach that seems to be hinted at)||

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703251893047480390 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

All BB League clubhouse guests:
• All Gym Leaders
• Arven
• Penny
• Nemona
• Dendra
• Tyme
• Raifort
• Miriam
• Saguaro
• Jacq
• Salvatore
• Clavell
• Geeta
• Paldea Elite Four
• BB Elite Four
• Carmine
• Kieran
• SHIANO (?)

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Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

oh looks like matt's confirmed ||dokutaro||

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703252613129490454 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

The SV 2.0.1 patch also includes text entries for text you'll see during battles. This includes:
• BB League
• Kieran
• kodaikame
• zombie_man
• zombie_old
• zombies
• Nemona
• Arven
• Penny
• dokutaro

kodaikame and dokutaro are notable, and what could zombies be?

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Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 3:40 AM

||the zombie entries are very... intriguing to say the least lmao||

everything else is accounted for

||maybe dead chars being brought back to life to fight against, like heath and shit||

[rough kelp]

you know ||kodaikame and dokutaro sounds like structure for paradox name, but wouldn't make sense for violet version...||

[spare hare]

||kodaikame is probably terapagos, and dokutaro the little puntable peach guy||

[rough kelp]

yeah ik

||oh i see the zombie entries you mentioned, now that's crazy...||

||there's so many mention of death in this entire game||

[spare hare]

i want indigo disk nOW

i hope it's not in between wonder and smrpg or some shit

a dec release would be nice

[rough kelp]

||wait everyone from paldea? heat||

[spare hare]

indigo disk is gonna be straight heat

[torn ore]

All these new info keep coming out during my naps lmao

||Zombies? Heath, Sada/Turo incoming?||

[spare hare]

||why is everything related to area zero straight fire ||

[spice timber]

god indigo disk is gonna be completely insane

||dokutaro is gonna be the most puntable mon we've ever had if it's as schnasty as the other loyal three||

[rough kelp]

k but

||will dokutaro share loyal three theme||

||or a remix? now that would be heat||

it maybe

||we haven't have a single mythical yet which is crazy. zarude was revealed pretty early right||

but wait

||mythical is usually distribution only, and idk if I want the peach to be that||

you forgetting someone

https://tenor.com/view/billion-lions-god-concrete-cement-jewel-of-life-gif-21974880

[torn ore]

||I swear if Dipplin's evolution another sidequest only mon. At the very least let us evolve ours too lol||

[ivory prawn]

||Nah those are just internal names the Japanese ancient paradoxes have like
More Grammar in them than regular pokemon names||

||And the -taro definitely wouldn't work in any way for an ancient paradox name||

||So like if Ancient Turtle was a past paradox name it'd have to be kodainokame instead||

I don't really need to spoiler this so basically like
Obviously normal Pokemon names are sometimes made from combining two words, ancient paradoxes are different because they just say two words without attaching them together as if its one word
So like if you took Flutter Mane and just made it Fluttermane it'd look like a normal Pokemon name, vice versa take Venomoth and make it Venom Moth and it'd look like a past paradox name

But in Japanese there's not normally spaces between words anyway

Instead paradox names are grammatical instead of two japanese words said one after another

So to give an example without spaces, a normal Pokemon name might be Fluttermane but a past paradox name in Japanese would be like Flutteringmane

Or Venomoth vs Venomousmoth

This really has absolutely nothing to do with leaks I just wanted to nerd out

(Btw Iron Moth's Jp name テツノドクガ Tetsu no Dokuga literally means "Iron venomous moth" lol)

[rough kelp]

i see

you know i thought about it ||for dokutaro to not be mentioned in the loyal three story, it has to either:

• hiding somewhere
• isn't recognizable as a pokemon||

[ivory prawn]

I also think Slither Wing's name is hilarious all the other ancients are like an adjective and a noun like giant tusk, shouting tail, savage mushroom, flapping hair, sandy fur
and the slither wing's chiohauhane is just like
Wings that crawl the earth

[rough kelp]

that's what I said!

||it looks mischievious and peach-shaped, correctly||

[marble sand]

||is this thing connected to glimmora somehow||

||also cute art||

based idea

[rough kelp]

could be like ||diancie, a mutated glimmora||

[spice timber]

||glimmora is poison type like the loyal three||

[marble sand]

||is this gonna be the mythical||

[spare hare]

||glimmora is always so sussy||

||isn't it only found around the crystal pool in kitakami too||

That environmental story telling

||considering dokutaro has a battle text entry it's probably not a mythical ||

[spice timber]

i fucking love that ||they're seemingly making diancie 2 with dokutaro||

[spare hare]

I guess so but it seems less likely

[spice timber]

also, ||it shows up in the real cutscene||

[spare hare]

It really is, there's genuine mystery for once

[spice timber]

i honestly think ||its eyes are like that just because its making a smug face like the other loyal three||

[rough kelp]

||momopon...||

[torn ore]

||Ghost is the only type on those lanterns that isn't accounted for. Are we looking at a Poison/Ghost peach here perhaps?||

[rough kelp]

oooh

||give it levitate too while we are at it||

[rough kelp]

WAIT

||NO TEAM STAR||

|| I am literally going through 5 stages of grief rn||

[torn ore]

||Somewhat of a compromise since they're the only characters you can rematch not at random in the base postgame||

[rough kelp]

wait actually

||there was a random shot of giacomo in student outfit in the trailer with tera ogerpon||

so they will be relevant for sth

[torn ore]

||Wonder if this means we'll see Eri without her makeup||

[rough kelp]

nightmare timeline ||eri graduated and we will never see her again||

[spice timber]

wait

fucking ||zombies||?

something completely bonkers is gonna happen in this dlc

i have to imagine it's already been discussed, but ||maybe dokutaro or terapagos revives more dead characters like the original professor, ogerpon's friend or heath||

[tropic pollen]

||dont think the “zombies” are gonna be real
Remember what the sign at the crystal pool says. My bet is its gonna be a mirage of some sort||

[spice timber]

oh yeah, that'd work too

||terapagos gets tired of the protag's shit and throws an imaginary boss rush at them||

though we do have ||a direct example of mons being revived from the dead in the loyal three||

[tropic pollen]

||”zombie” makes me think its temporary||

[split swan]

I am still curious what are the meanings behind the names for ||Koraidon and Miraidon's Tera Armor abilities/attacks/armor I do know Miraidon's is "something" laser||

[wanton trail]

WHAT THE FUCK

DLC 2 GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY AND I AM ALL FOR IT

[spare hare]

||https://twitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1703106749266538521 ||

Gekijouban Khu (@Riddler_Khu)

Well, by far, I see no correct speculation of 7+8+‘1’, that 1, is a very purposeful pokemon.

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Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 6:01 PM

||basically the 1 mon may not be a mythical after all||

||i've seen some ppl speculating that this means that 8 corresponds to blueberry pokemon and that 1 corresponds to area zero instead (which would probably be terapagos ig)||

||but iirc matt only saw 8 new slots for new pokemon which lined up with what we originally thought about 8 news mons being introduced in indigo disk||

||another thing that's weird about the 1 being terapagos is that the form number for the one was "x" iirc||

||that was originally interpreted to mean no forms but maybe it just means multiple forms or something special? in which case one of the other mons among the 8 would have another form||

||maybe that would be dokutaro||

||bc i did think it would be kind of funny if dokutaro had no other forms and all we saw was the little peach/chain body||

||khu also posted a pic of a bleach char who turns chars into zombies in response to matt's tweet so ig we really are gonna be fighting some dead ppl lol||

[spice timber]

||it's so crazy to me that it's seemingly gonna be a literal zombie plot with characters coming back from the dead||

||and not any kind of illusions or visions||

[tropic pollen]

||could also be possession||

||but the part with the crystal pool showing visions of those who've passed leads me to believe it'll be someone who died||

||like Heath or the original professor||

[harsh lion]

||ppl are saying new kleavor form like bloodmoon cuz theres a second perrin quest and kleavors in the dex||

[torn ore]

||New Kleavor form would be sick||

||Tryna keep my expectations in check though when it comes to mons that aren't Terapagos in getting new forms lol.||

[harsh lion]

||they would have to give it a sigmove that isnt ass||

[spare hare]

||unlike bloodmoon the whole scyther line is in the dex tho||

||and basculin white stripe and basculegion are in kitakami||

[harsh lion]

yeah

i dont tgink itll happen

but itd be funny

[spare hare]

gink

i want the one cameo char in sv to be this guy

he's been hiding away in the terarium

[spice timber]

i think it's gonna be ||dipplin evo, considering neither applin nor its evos are in the dex||

[tropic pollen]

||what if the Perrin quest is the +1||

[candid nebula]

What is Game Freak cooking

[wanton trail]

No clue

But im here for it

[north fjord]

He’s super fucking old and haggard

Got a long-ass beard

Nowhere near the level of dreamboat he was then

[spice timber]

his beard also has the arceus head motif

[north fjord]

His pact with Giratina means he cannot die

It sounded nice at first but now he just craves it

[wanton trail]

He’s the ||zombie||

[spare hare]

You know funnily enough

With what they've set up they could actually easily justify the gen's new mechanic in a remake again

||with the terastal phenomenon showing up in kitakami, briar talking about wanting to take it elsewhere, and the mechanic being used in blueberry academy which is in unova||

[spice timber]

i like how they're toying around with the idea of ||tera energy originating in paldea, but being able to be taken out of it instead of being permanently tied there, and everywhere the crystals are taken they begin to spread like an invasive species||

dlc1 spoilers ||ogerpon and her friend brought a few tera crystals along with them into kitakami and now it's has tera raids everywhere and a massive crystal cluster smack dab in the middle of its biggest mountain||

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703463522154250457 ||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

After some more digging, I can verify that in-game trade dialogue exists for every trainer in this list.

What they trade to you and what they request is unknown at this time.

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Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 5:38 PM

lfg ||larry ot dudunsparce incoming||

[harsh lion]

||what if its flamigo or staraptor though....||

[shell sand]

i keep forgetting trading in pokemon is pokemon and not items

[torn ore]

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703579923397366110?t=AZhhXfkNy37SXq3I37t27A&s=19 Looks like Terapagos will have a Titan-like battle, starting with its Terastal Form, and then whatever godly being it transforms into||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

After some additional pondering, I can verify the following:

• futatsuna_su_1130_01 - Terastal Form Terapagos
• futatsuna_su_1130_02 - Unknown Form Terapagos
• futatsuna_su_1131_00 - Presumably "dokutaro"

Which helps confirm my initial suspicion that DevID 1021 is Terapagos.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2023, 1:21 AM

||Also Dokutaro boss fight I guess||

||I hope it's Ultra Necrozma or PLA Giratina level of difficulty||

[arctic bobcat]

||they're gonna bring back every past mechanic to give us Gigantamax Mega Terapagos, with Terastallized Z-Move Terrible Tera Beam||

[torn ore]

||https://twitter.com/mattyoukhana_/status/1703582023774863726?t=Z8Rt-bhzC93aTdCy6Qi6Rw&s=19 New areas in Area Zero too||

Matt (@mattyoukhana_)

Some stubbed text entries found in SV 2.0.1 hint at some interactable objects in the overworld, featured in the following locations:
• Your dorm at Blueberry Academy
• Carmine's/Kieran's dorms
• The various League Club designs
• zerocave_bg_01/02/03 - new rooms in Area Zero

Twitter · Sep 18, 2023, 1:29 AM

[surreal vault]

Good gravy

[rough kelp]

||every past mechanic? shadow terapagos jumpscare||

[spice timber]

i wonder if ||dokutaro is gonna be before or after terapagos||

[arctic bobcat]

||don't ask how it has a Mega form and a Z-Move at the same time||

[candid nebula]

||POGGERS, Area Zero depths!||

[spice timber]

oh yeah, kind of a more minor thing

i'm so glad that ||the original rivals are gonna show up in dlc2 as story characters||

[rough kelp]

no ||team star ||

[split swan]

||Admittedly I like the theory that Terapogos IS Paldea, the landmass itself like a Titan in Xenoblade Chronicles. If true, I wonder how the final form battle plays out. Maybe it uses reality distortions or illusions.||

[torn ore]

New raid event announcement might actually help us pinpoint the release date of Indigo Disk

||If the next 7 raids are the Sinnoh Starters, we could be looking at a Mid-End November release. But if they decided to include the Hisuian Starters as raid events too, might be a mid-December release||

[spare hare]

"Okidogi was once a smaller and weaker Pokémon, but a desire for strength led it to gain powerful muscles."
"After all its muscles were stimulated by the toxic chain around its neck, Okidogi transformed and gained a powerful physique."

"Munkidori was originally a clumsy and dim-witted Pokémon, but a longing for cleverness led it to gain great wisdom."
"The chain is made from toxins that enhance capabilities. It stimulated Munkidori's brain and caused the Pokémon's psychic powers to bloom."

"Fezandipiti was once a Pokémon with short, dull feathers, but a wish to be beautiful led it to gain an exquisite appearance."
"Fezandipiti owes its beautiful looks and lovely voice to the toxic stimulants emanating from the chain wrapped around its body."

||considering dokutaro seems to be an actual new pokemon they're gonna introduce||

||kieran wants strength||

||dokutaro might find a new host ||

[rough kelp]

||his hair kinda looks momotaro-ish...||

[spare hare]

||mfs when kieran's hair is slicked back with a purple chain||

[spice timber]

also ||us inevitably kicking his ass in dlc2 combined with him probably learning about area zero would probably push him to go make a deal with the devil and grab a chain of his own||

[rough kelp]

btw, assuming ||you can repeat meeting with these people, all of these characters are pretty much confirmed to stay/become good guys, and won't be disappearing after the indigo disk story.||

||so no evil geeta is what I meant||

[spice timber]

||it's geetover||

[white garden]

||So I was toying around with Pokémon weights in HOME (I had show all forms active) and I saw that there was two Walking Wakes. I feel like this means Walking Wake might get a new form in the dlc.||

[velvet bobcat]

||what about iron leaves?||

[white garden]

||Yeah I think she gets the same treatment, I don’t have her in home tho ||

[arctic bobcat]

||does mammoswine have an alternate form or is that just alpha pokemon||

[velvet bobcat]

||gender difference I think||

[white garden]

||Also I feel like these new forms are gonna be the S/V Book depictions||

[white garden]

||Ye||

[arctic bobcat]

m

[shell sand]

oh so the dog was intentionally built like that

[spare hare]

💪

[spice timber]

i wonder what types they were originally

maybe ||the toxic chains made their old types vanish||?

||one type is of the chain itself and the second is the gift the chain gave to them||

which is kind of terrifying if true, ||they lost their entire old identities to the chains||

[shell sand]

me when my altaria loses their identity when they mega evolve i guess

[spice timber]

oh my fucking god

dlc1 location spoiler

i'm only posting this here because it was on khu's account

[candid nebula]

||The Crystal Pool?||

[spice timber]

||that symbol is one of the symbols on the dlc's title card||

[surreal vault]

[spare hare]

so i checked this for ||iron leaves as well, and iron leaves also shows up twice||

however ||this is extremely odd considering it doesn't look like they both get forms in dlc2||

||maybe it would be tera forms but matt hasn't noted anything about this either unlike what we have for koraidon, miraidon, and terapagos (presumably)||

||maaaaybe it's placeholders for the remaining two paradox legendaries?||

[spice timber]

but we also ||didn't see any traces of them from khu leaks nor from datamines like everything else, unless they're just extremely well scrubbed||

[spare hare]

honestly ||it's probably just a glitch or something||

||it doesn't appear in all the lists||

[spice timber]

yeah, ||feels a bit too out of place to mean much||

though maybe (future game) ||they show up in whatever game happens next||

[rough kelp]

||when indigo disk come around there will be a patch that gives them gender and gender differences||

surely

[tropic pollen]

||perhaps its the (all three together in one body) thing like from the initial sketch||

[spare hare]

||if it is a form that would make the most sense to me, but so far we've seen no indication of any other forms||

||assuming khu's counts are still accurate, it wouldn't be a normal form||

||and if it is a tera form then it must have been scrubbed unlike the koraidon/miraidon/terapagos ones which is kind of weird||

[spice timber]

though ||we have no idea what that +1 is on his count, which if it's alone like that might mean it could be anything||

i guess it's kind of too early to tell, ||those mons are so engimatic||

i personally can't really see ||it being a tera form or fusion, considering that for the beasts it'd be really weird to see all of them merge considering they're purely organic||

[spice timber]

||https://twitter.com/ElChicoEevee/status/1703939529835520386 ||

Eevee (@ElChicoEevee)

Spoilers inside if you didnt play dlc

I found out that the file for the 4th mon in the cutscene and that the plush appears in the shop its in a separate file and folder from shop, place where we see the plush

ALSO its called objects_un_dlc1_t10shop01_momo01
momo being for Peach

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neat, more confirmation that ||this is a teaser for the momotaro mon||

[hot zenith]

||Is there any reason why Iono is there too?||

[velvet bobcat]

||Iono is the final boss||

[spice timber]

i have to assume it's just for a size comparison

[hot zenith]

Broke: ||Geeta is connected to Area Zero||
Woke: ||Iono is connected to the Loyal Three||

[velvet bobcat]

||The Loyal Twitch Subs||

[surreal vault]

||Electro King....||

[spice timber]

||dokutaro = electro king confirmed||

[tropic pollen]

||Iono has still not been deconfirmed as a Rotom form||

[carmine olive]

Comes in, drops this stupid image thumbnail that reappeared in my feed that looks so dumb and it is funny, plans on leaving to not get further spoiled.

[surreal vault]

HUGE NEW

[velvet bobcat]

🐸🐸

[spare hare]

||plot-related||

||these pairings make sense for indigo disk||

[rough kelp]

oh... ||CARMINEMO BROS||

[harsh lion]

||My son is back we're so back||

[tropic pollen]

||ARVEN PENNY?? IM EATING||

||(they dont know the WIP in my drafts)||

[spare hare]

👨‍🍳

U

[harsh lion]

U

[tropic pollen]

U

[harsh lion]

||cant wait for tera armor mabosstiff||

[tropic pollen]

||was just thinking what if Penny spilled about her new friends to her parents and her overenthusiastic father suggests having the orphan over for dinner some time (not verbatim) and then Arven shows up and makes food with his Pokemon, indoors, in an expensive kitchen, and its all just a bit awkward. Food’s insane tho.||

[rough kelp]

I do wonder what this pairing mean ||for the pair with non-player character, do we just watch them interact or sth? do we get to battle them in a double battle? or do we get to control their team temporary||

[harsh lion]

||implying we would play as any character but the player char lol nice one||

[tropic pollen]

||i think it could be a double battle thing||

||maybe similar to the initial area zero story? We get Kieran’s help||

[harsh lion]

||me & the kid i turned evil||

[tropic pollen]

||its our way of saying sorry||

||hold on. Terapagos makes Pokemon.

Ogerpon 2.||

[spare hare]

||OK but can it make self-love 2||

[rough kelp]

we have ||"playable NPC team" at home||
||"playable NPC team" at home:||

[harsh lion]

Nemona has such an offputting team when you think abt it

[spare hare]

||probopass and yanmega||

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[rough kelp]

I killed them for the sake of ||contrasting to carmine team, and furret can be kieran's dog so he isn't alone||

[tropic pollen]

Define

[rough kelp]

if you think about it she has a single-type team beside pawmot

[harsh lion]

Starter^

Its just like

It looks so non final battle

[rough kelp]

no taka, she tera'd her starter asap

[harsh lion]

Like lycanroc i can surely get behind but every other mon just looks so normal and yet so weird. Why are there two long things

[harsh lion]

Ah Fair

[rough kelp]

you have to think nemona team is like

she been through this before, so she's doing it again but with an entirely different set of pokemon

kinda like when you guys do a replay of a game

[harsh lion]

It really is just long creatures if you tihnk about it

Pawmot is a long pawmi

Dudunsparce and orthworm are self explanatory

Goodra has a long neck. And ears

Lycanroc has a long enough snout to be considered a long pokemon

The vibes are all off in this one but I like it

[tropic pollen]

I mean is nemona’s team so far removed from a standard ingame team?

[harsh lion]

Mate she has a three segment dudunsparce of course it is

Smh...

[rough kelp]

you know what would have been funny

[harsh lion]

I just think she has like. two pokemon that are normal the rest of them are freaks of nature

Orthworm is a twisted creature

[rough kelp]

in the final battle she revealed that she did a lil trolling and tera her starter into the type that's stronger against yours

[harsh lion]

I struggled against her meowscarada anyway

pov you have 4 pokemon weak to stealth rock

[rough kelp]

oh wow just like how the academy kids see nemona

/j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j

[harsh lion]

Wtf not nice

[rough kelp]

||carmine after hearing the true story||

[harsh lion]

im immune to this post i havent played teal mask yet

[rough kelp]

D:

[spice timber]

i am so sad nemona didn't have a gholdengo

it fits her outward personality and it's a hard mon to find like 3-seg dudun

[rough kelp]

oh you know what would be funny

[velvet bobcat]

also she lives in a mansion

rich people

[rough kelp]

wait ||does anyone know if carmine's sinistcha is masterpiece||

[candid nebula]

Ah yes, the lesbians, heteros and gays

||I know it's Juliana in the picture but I don't care, it's Florian to me||

[rough kelp]

me watching ||nemona and carmine screaming 24/7 during battle (love that for them)||

[spice timber]

oh yeah that new plot info

it was obvious that ||kieran and the protag would have some beef, but i'm extremely looking forward to nemona and carmine kicking each others' asses and arven and penny going off to make sd card sandwiches or something||

[candid nebula]

Does anyone know if ||Area Zero Depths has new music or does it just reuse regular Area Zero music?||

[rough kelp]

me fighting against ||carmine and nemona (thunder wave stealth rock lead )||

[wanton trail]

||Im imaging that meme where the guy comes back with the pizza to a room on fire, except the room is just kieran, the protag, and ogerpon beefing||

[velvet bobcat]

||"Hey Penny can you pass me the mustard"
"Who"
"The mustard, Penny"
"What"
"For the sandwhich"
"What"||

hey guys Peter here to explain the joke. penny is galarian

you can laugh now

[hot zenith]

why do I have a giant E/F hybrid on my screen

[wanton trail]

[velvet bobcat]

it'd be like that sometimes

[spice timber]

this is clearly a dlc teaser

[rough kelp]

FE... Fire Emblem in real

[spice timber]

||F is what nemona's going to say after watching kieran lose to the protag again||

[rough kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-emblem-fire-emblem-engage-alear-fire-emblem-alear-fire-emblem-engage-intro-gif-27376995

[velvet bobcat]

||"Don't worry Kieran! that's just a skill issue"||

[tropic pollen]

||Kieran:||

[rough kelp]

so true

even got the ||crossed hair in the middle||

[ivory prawn]

What does this mean

[harsh lion]

It means ||indigo disk will have nemona and carmine, penny and arven, and the player and kieran working together||

[tropic pollen]

||It means Nemona and Carmine will go on dates||

[spice timber]

||https://vxtwitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1704175285732557095?t=bKeBM0TsnAQEcph5vkAQdA&s=19 ||

apparently the chinese community found some more specific stuff in the datamines

||if true, this dlc is gonna be fuckin BEEFY||

[harsh lion]

||so dipplin evo is just like sv kleavor and ursaluna?||

||also "rika appears in this plotline" please||

[vestal arch]

||team star sidequests sound nice||

[spice timber]

my theory is (dlc spoilers) ||kieran is gonna do something fucky to his dipplin with tera and artificially evolve it||

[tropic pollen]

||i'd be disappointed if there's only one Dipplin "evo", cuz that means its most definitely shiny locked||

[harsh lion]

^^^^^tbh

||i have a shiny dipplin i want to evolve her||

[spice timber]

it definitely depends on how they handle it to me

[harsh lion]

||ESPECIALLY if its a caduceus or whatever||

[spice timber]

||the less shiny locks the better though||

it's also interesting to see that ||presumably, they're gonna be utilizing all three maps for these various plotlines||

[spare hare]

||the Steel sidequest could just be the flying minigame that's rumored to let the dragons fly freely||

[manic bane]

||the mc is partnered with Kieran LMAOO||

||thats not gonna be awkward||

||the other two groups will have perfect chemistry||

[spice timber]

so happy that ||carmine/nemona rivalry|| might be real

[manic bane]

||i bet nemona will be oblivious to her rudeness or something||

[rough kelp]

||carmine will tell her to eat dirt and nemona will ask for seasoning 👍 ||

[spice timber]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[manic bane]

gamefreak hire this man

[wanton trail]

indeed

Posting this here since it covers ||a datamine with some extremely intriguing info https://youtu.be/2s8BYJiNI_k?si=Qw7y7K4mnOjo48Su||

[manic bane]

||when he posts a video about leaks i watch it then rush here 💀 ||

[wanton trail]

||Aighty so… SADA/TURO COME BACK? TF? Dude Indigo Disk is heating up to be ground-breaking.||

[spice timber]

dlc area spoilers ||the crystal pool in kitakami is said to allow communion with the dead, so maybe that's it||

[wanton trail]

||the comments mentioned that, yeah||

[rough kelp]

we did get ||some zombies entries when there was datamine for NPCs||

[wanton trail]

About the video speculation ||So, knowing everything the story covers… my prediction on dlc 2 story is:
You, Penny, Nemona, and Arven arrive at blueberry academy, and are greeted by Cyrano, Carmine and Lacey. Carmine pulls you aside and tells you about how insane Kieran’s been acting. Lacey then shows you and the other main 3 around campus, meeting the other bb league e4 and ending with the terrarium, where we meet Kieran, the new champion of the BB league. He decides you aren’t worth his time and you’re free venture around the terrarium. After a bit, you do some quests and challenge the BB league, defeating Kieran and sending him fully insane, yet he hides it. Geeta/Briar then arrive and tell you about new activity in area zero. You, penny, nemona, arven, carmine, and kieran venture into area zero, defeating a glimmora, the paradox beasts/swords, and eventually find terapagos, who is unaware of what it is doing. You defeat terapagos and its control on Kieran ceases, bringing kieran to his senses.||

[manic bane]

you cooked

[wanton trail]

I probably burned down the kitchen with this one 💀

[spice timber]

i feel like ||the glimmora is actually the peach/momotaro mon we've seen teased in teal mask, because we already kicked a glimmora's ass in area zero||

[wanton trail]

Oh true

||maybe once you beat the momopoison glimmora Kieran comes to his senses and you catch him up on everything, and he agrees to help||

[rough kelp]

honestly I must say ||one thing this DLC has been better than Isle/Tundra is the fact that both introduced rivals are not version exclusive. so they can both interact with your 3 main companions in the base game.||

it still pains me to this day that ||we haven't seen a single interaction between klara and avery, not even in spin-offs||

[wanton trail]

Indeed

[spice timber]

i can't wait for ||dokutaro to get taranza'd once you beat it and terapagos casts it away||

[rough kelp]

||their ass are not in masters, they appeared once in twilight wings and isn't even in the same scene OR location. ||

[wanton trail]

Undoubtedly, GameFreak is cooking something with the freshest ingredients they could find

[rough kelp]

here ||you can have all 5 well-freshed out companions interact with each other.||

speaking of which ||you think nemona gonna help carmine with understanding her brother because she's a younger sibling herself||

[spice timber]

i wonder how involved ||the bb league will be in the story||

[spice timber]

i love how ||every single main character is multi-faceted and interesting to think about in this game, and they also have very good interactions and mingle with each other in meaningful ways||

[manic bane]

||this game's plot and characters have been really good compared to past games||

[spice timber]

||the protag, arven, nemona, penny, carmine, kieran, lacey, crispin, amarys, drayton, ogerpon and a single surskit approaching terapagos in area zero for the final battle after having an emotional and insightful 12-way discussion with each other||

[manic bane]

LMAO

[rough kelp]

||crispin vs arven cooking rap battle|| bouta go crazy

[manic bane]

dude i cant wait for them to meet

[spice timber]

||crispin making several cooking puns at arven completely unaware of his past while arven quietly cries to himself||

[wanton trail]

||can’t wait for crispin and arven to try and cook kieran’s dipplin||

[wanton trail]

Where does the ||surskit|| come from

[split swan]

I kinda wonder if they will do a post game quest. ||Terapogos spreads its plates to the strongest Paldea trainers and beating them allows you to have True Terapogos||

[wanton trail]

Please no 💀

[spice timber]

clearly it's ||from the godskit sidequest where a surskit whose diet consists exclusively of protein (the vitamin) and protean (the ability) tries to dethrone god||

[wanton trail]

Based

[manic bane]

||I haven’t forgotten about raifort giving the player nasty plot after you get all the ruin Pokémon, as well as her saying you can keep them “for now” or something. But I guess she really won’t do anything 😔||

[ivory prawn]

You know what I just realized I wanted now

For a gen where you have a sibling yourself that's an important character

Leon and Hop, Carmine and Kieran, Lillie and Gladion, sure whatever
Give the protagonist their own sibling that just shows up at the end of the game like 'sup Im gonna kick your ass now' or something

Like the closest we've ever had to important family members if Gen III where your dad is a gym leader and Gen IV where your mom's a... is coordinator actual terminology or is that an anime thing I don't remember

Huh.

[ivory prawn]

||Clearly girl was actually shaking in her boots in terror because of you||

[spice timber]

just now realized that (mon spoilers) ||the momotaro mon could very easily have a loyal three/area zero mashup as its battle theme||

[spice timber]

dlc2 spoilers/khu

||WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN "YOU ARE FORCED TO KILL EACH OTHER"||

[marble sand]

||squid games||

[surreal vault]

||Me to Nemona:||

[harsh lion]

Raw

[marble sand]

Raw art

[spice timber]

fuckin raw reaction pic

[velvet bobcat]

||Mr. Beast gonna trap the rivals on area zero and see who lasts longer||

||Penny is the first one to go||

[spare hare]

||Kieran and the Mc kill each other and are brought back by tera crystals lfg||

[wanton trail]

||FYM BY THAT||

[wraith gulch]

||you use honedges and remorades to kill each other||

[split swan]

given the implication that ||Future Terrakion is a tank or bulldozer, I wonder why the other two are not based on vehicles like planes or ships||

[white garden]

||Iron Crown could be a crane, whilst Iron Leaves could be a jackhammer||

[wanton trail]

True!

[spice timber]

there was some more stuff related to this

went and covered some obnoxious text in the second image, though in hindsight i think i made it worse

||||

[torn ore]

||What kind of power does that lil fuck hold||

[harsh lion]

||id save arven in a heartbeat||

[tropic pollen]

||maybe you pick one to free and then double battle the other two to free those?||

[harsh lion]

my only wish for indigo disk is that ||dipplin evo gets apple acid and grav apple||

||it wont but theyre just such good moves||

[tropic pollen]

||one head tells acid the other only gravs||

[white garden]

||Arven no cap ||

[harsh lion]

ever notice how ||munkidori has a peach-shaped butt||

[rough kelp]

🤨
📸

[wanton trail]

Oh god no

[harsh lion]

bro hes a monkey

||and his back is turned to you when you fight him the second time||

[rough kelp]

joke aside ||I think that's just normal monkey butt no?||

[harsh lion]

||its very explicitly a peach||

||not to mention most monkey pokemon dont. have butts||

[tropic pollen]

||Munki played Okami||

[rough kelp]

||oh you're not kidding that's a whole ass peach||

||evil yamper be like:||

[tropic pollen]

||discovering the hidden treasure of area zero by analyzing Munkidori's Area Zero||

[north fjord]

Alright I’ll ask here

Was there a dex datamine and if so is Rattata in the game

[tropic pollen]

||yes
no||

[north fjord]

||Crap||

[tropic pollen]

||im sorry little one||

[north fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/tigger-tigger-winnie-the-pooh-tigger-sad-disappear-gif-25009198

||Me biting the bullet to play LGE||

[velvet bobcat]

||huge win for furret bros||
||goodbye "outclassed by raticate"||

[torn ore]

||Looks like Terapagos is getting huge focus in the next two episodes in the anime. Maybe we'll get a new trailer to go along with the new lore?||

[spare hare]

Yea, I checked the other ones to see if they all ||had a peach but I couldn't see it||

[spare hare]

Didn't that ||one tweet about Chinese dataminers say there was some double battle with arven and penny||

[tropic pollen]

yea

[rough kelp]

me picking ||to save myself so I can 1v3 them ||

[tropic pollen]

||nemona would be proud||

[spice timber]

oh my god

what if ||the momotaro mon is the reason the professor went bananas||

[torn ore]

||I was mistaken. Anime is on break til October 13th. So no Terapagos lore drop by then. We should expect a new trailer maybe sometime before though?||

[tropic pollen]

bro if that actually happens

[harsh lion]

this i would actually mindtbh

[spice timber]

ngl ||momotaro mon/dokutaro is shaping up to be the biggest asshole in the entire series||

[harsh lion]

MY ONLY WISH IS THAT ||its not dragon type lmao||

[spice timber]

iirc atm it's ||rumored to be poison/ghost||

[harsh lion]

oh good please

[spice timber]

it was specifically because ||on the lanterns with all the typings on them in the festival area and in official art, every single type ogerpon and the loyal three have is covered except for ghost||

[spice timber]

potentially huge dlc spoilers ||this fucker:

created the loyal three in a sort of deal with the devil, (presumably) turning them into assholes in the process
(presumably) led them to ogerpon and her friend with the promise of spoils and ruined their lives
(presumably) REVIVED the loyal three literally specifically to fuck with ogerpon and the protagonists more
(presumably) fucked with kieran to the point of him collapsing in on himself and becoming a broken wreck who craves strength and revenge
(presumably) will continue to fuck with kieran to the point of him taking his own deal with the devil, further breaking his spirit
was potentially the reason the professors went insane to begin with
(presumably) will proceed to fuck with the protag's preestablished friend group and force them to make a traumatic choice out of seemingly pure cruelty||

[surreal vault]

||Wtf we haven't had a poison/ghost since Gengar||

[surreal vault]

||What implies that it drove the professors crazy?||

[spice timber]

nothing atm

it just checks out to me

considering ||it could be making kieran give in to his own obsessions||

[spare hare]

||tbh it would be lame as fuck if "momotaro controlling everyone" was the reason all the antagonists made the decisions they did||

[harsh lion]

||if it was related to sada/turo at all imo the game would lose a Lot in terms of writing. itd just feel like a lame retcon||

[surreal vault]

||Yeah no I don't like it in the context of the professors||

[surreal vault]

||USUM situation 2.||

[harsh lion]

??

elaborate

||cus if this is usum slander i just know you didnt play it 😌||

[spice timber]

i do wonder how ||momotaro mon is gonna play into the whole plot, they could go with it driving the professors insane but that'd not only be too obvious, but also just be kinda milquetoast||

[surreal vault]

||Erm it wouldn't be exactly the same thing in this case but people say Lusamine being usurped by Necrozma as the main antagonist of USUM hurts her role as an antagonist in SM or something like that||

[harsh lion]

||That's so dumb they're two separate games||

||USUM is one of if not the best pokemon game period and one of the many reasons why I make this claim is that, for once, it gave us an alternate version of the same character rather than the recycling of the main villain that we saw with Archie Maxie and Cyrus in their respective third versions||

||However if sada/turo had gone mad bc of the peach mon. That wouldn't be able to coexist with base game sada/turo because the DLC is an extension of the main game's canon rather than its own||

[spice timber]

||i think people don't like usum in part because of that complete change||

[harsh lion]

Yea and those people are dumb 🔥

Me when I only want one cake instead of two

[spice timber]

||taking a preestablished antagonist and then totally changing them in a way that kind of downplays their original role, and then having that watered down alternate version be the one portrayed in the anime instead of the og||

[spare hare]

ok but what if the second cake was made of shit ||i do not actually hate or even dislike usum's story||

[spice timber]

ngl i remember ||exactly one part of usum and that's the ultra necrozma fight, so i'm not one to have good opinions on this topic||

[harsh lion]

Its literally good tho

Lusamine was never retconned there's just two versions of her character and that's more than you can say about most pokemon chars

Funnily enough it also applies to sada and turo

[tropic pollen]

||for that anger to be justified, it'd require lusamine to be a good villain ||

[surreal vault]

I mean

Which game is canon though

[harsh lion]

Would you rather CHILD NEGLECT when your child is 5 (Sada in violet, Turo in scarlet) or CHILD NEGLECT when your child is 6 (Sada in scarlet, turo in violet)

[surreal vault]

(It's USUM, so technically it is a retcon)

[harsh lion]

SM there's no ultra necrozma in future games 👍

[spare hare]

well tbf i think part of the reason ppl get hung up on usum is bc ||they didn't change any of the surrounding elements that were retained from the sm story which makes it harder to swallow as an entirely new story||

[surreal vault]

There is fused necrozma

Just not ultra

[spice timber]

hmm, on the topic of ||momotaro mon being the overarching antagonist, i feel like if it really did fuck with the professor then there'd be something in area zero mentioning it like they did with terapagos||, so idk about it

[harsh lion]

Also are we srsly gonna say canon like there aren't four remakes, PLA is messy timeline wise, ORAS introduced the concept of Alternate Universes and some pokemon straight up dont exist in newer games

[tropic pollen]

||i dont disagree, but i wonder if it could be done the way TDX does it with the mirror turning Secc's insecurities up to 11 out of a possible 5||

[spice timber]

yeah, ||it kind of just is the same for most of the game||

[spare hare]

||so you still have the weird frozen pokemon room and child abuse overtones that don't actually get touched upon in usum as much to a satisfying degree as in sm ||

[tropic pollen]

||Is that really true when the ultra recon squad is there to set up Necrozma from the start?||

[harsh lion]

||Tbh it could be like kieran. Professor is having messy thoughts and peachman appears and the professor gives in to the voices. But I still feel like it'd be dumb. Nothing in the game implies that there was an outside force involved||

[spare hare]

i mean ||the stuff surrounding lusamine's portrayal in particular||

bc that's what started this convo

[harsh lion]

||Matter of fact Terapagos is implied to be around but not peachman||

[tropic pollen]

||ah right gotcha||

[spice timber]

oh yeah, ||peachman is probably chilling in kitakami||

during the cutscene where ||the loyal three gets revived, iirc there's a very faint peach shadow in the particle effects while the statues are shaking||

[harsh lion]

Also now that ive beaten the story, ||the "kierans hair is tied by a toxic chain" thing is hilarious||

[spice timber]

that'd defo rule out ||professor possession|| if true

[harsh lion]

||Before this when kieran punches the wall there's a faint purple glow on his hand for a sec||

[spare hare]

🔥 🔥

[surreal vault]

Guys guys guys hear me out

[spare hare]

||aw hell nah bro's shitting out poison gas from his fist 💀 ||

[surreal vault]

||Peachman is a living Jamba heart||

[harsh lion]

||>Peachman possessed terapagos to give Sada/Turo Imagination Powers||

[tropic pollen]

||I do see the point about how different Lusamine is despite there being no changes to the conditions surrounding her, but if you ask me, developing a skewered hero-complex where she takes full responsibility for the upcoming threat of Necrozma far surpasses SM where she just goes nuts and wants Ultra Beasts||

[spare hare]

💀

[surreal vault]

||The Jamba heart that King Dedede brought to hyness-||

[spare hare]

||PARALLEL MUNKIDORI LFG||

[spare hare]

i think it's a neat take on her, ppl just care waaay too much about canon

[spice timber]

||game's just copying kirby frfr||

[harsh lion]

||Hero complex also ties into her want to bring Mohn back better imo? Like I get in SM she has the same goal but she gets so into ultra beasts that she forgets what the point of it all was. But I love love love usum lusamine and I will always defend her if only for the fact that having two versions of a char >>>> repeating the same thing in the second version||

[spice timber]

||forgotten land elevator scene and now there's a sentient jamba heart||

[harsh lion]

||Munkidori Jambutt||

[spare hare]

||i think the hero complex thing ties in really well with her being the head of aether too||

[harsh lion]

||Yeah ofc the foundation is all about saving pokemon||

[tropic pollen]

||yea its clearly a biproduct of her trying to cope with losing Mohn. its her trying to right her wrongs. (by killing Nebby)||

[harsh lion]

[surreal vault]

Juh

[tropic pollen]

||little fart cloud had it coming||

anyway

Taka

do you realize what this means if this is real

[surreal vault]

Uncalled for!!!

[harsh lion]

uh no

[tropic pollen]

||repeat of peak, babyyy||

[harsh lion]

YEAHHHH

YEAHHHHHH

[tropic pollen]

||i cant wait for Iron Crown to sacrifice itself||

[harsh lion]

||Iron Brian vs Peachman... a battle for the centuries||

[white garden]

||Goodbye Long Neck Raikou||

[manic bane]

||cant wait to kick its ass then catch it 👍 ||

[spice timber]

||a villain to put ghetsis to shame||

[wanton trail]

TRUE!

||Tbh, I would absolutely hate it if the Momotaro mon is the one controlling all the antags is horrible. But if it just convinced the lousy three to go beat up Ogerpon rather than control them? And if it managed to mind control Kieran and ONLY kieran? That’s good.||

||having the professors be insane much better.||

BROS I HAD A BRAIN BLAST

||If Terapagos is truly the one mind controlling everyone but is unaware that it’s causing harm… then that’s the momotaro pokemon. The momotaro pokemon isnt strong on its own, but Terapagos has the momotaro pokemon attached to it like a leech, and that’s why everyone’s going insane. Their wishes do come true, but at the cost of… their lives, basically.||

[spice timber]

it could also be ||the momotaro mon isn't actually downright possessing people like nihilego does, it just makes them lose control of themselves||

||which would be when peachface swoops in with that deal with the devil that at that point would be irresistable to them||

||and assuming it's derived from glimmora, it'd be able to utilize tera crystals to actually make those wishes come true||

[wanton trail]

I see

||Im gonna stick with my leech theory, but if the devil’s deal part is correct, then that’s a banger concept||

||A leech who uses people’s wishes using tera crystals and terapagos to make them go insane… perfect.||

||This would affect all of the other main characters: Nemona, her thirst for battle goes into overdrive from momotaro mon. Arven, his desire to meet his parent before they went insane. Penny… I think her wish to stop bullying or smth? Kieran, his dream to be friends with Ogerpon. And carmine… we shall wait and see.||

||if this is all true, that terapagos and momotaromon are both wish-granters but one uses evil deals, DLC2 is gonna be hype||

[torn ore]

||With Khu hinting at another mythical being normally catchable in Indigo Disk, can it please be a non-shiny locked Victini||

||Also with him confirming about a mythical encounter, that kinda partly confirms other legendaries in Indigo Disk?||

[harsh lion]

||deoxys and keldeo were shiny locked so. expect nothing||

[surreal vault]

||Victini had an unused encounter in Crown Tundra...so maybe?||

||Well...no because they distributed Victini later for Worlds||

[tropic pollen]

||jirachi maybe? wishes after all||

[harsh lion]

||whats up with the circle of gratitude at kitakami anyways||

[surreal vault]

||I think it should be Hoopa||

[tropic pollen]

||Kitakami also has a lot of tanabata stuff so, y'know||

[surreal vault]

||Many other mythicals have had recent distributions||

[harsh lion]

||>the tera raids for legendaries are brought to area zero through hoopa's rings

hoopa is still not obtainable in-game||

[rough kelp]

gamefreak ||making hoopa chilling in the blueberry terarium so they can make an excuse to drop random legendaries in there||

actually ||area zero|| would make more sense huh...

[tropic pollen]

👀

[rough kelp]

finally ||a fix for shiny giratina in PLA||

[tropic pollen]

lmfao if only

[harsh lion]

what abt it

[tropic pollen]

home leaks stuff all the time

[harsh lion]

yeah but like

2-3 months away

[tropic pollen]

not saying we'll get anything but we might get Some Tiny Stuff

[torn ore]

Golly I sure hope some clumsy ILCA employee doesn't accidentally leave Indigo Disk mons data or icons after maintenance

[tropic pollen]

Sidenote ||its gonna be really fuckin annoying to have the Dipplin evolution so far away from Dipplin in the national dex #||

[harsh lion]

||u would hate gen 4||

[tropic pollen]

||nuh-uh… those are cross gen evolutions…||

[spice timber]

ngl i'm expecting ||dipplin evo to be something completely different from og dipplin, if they have it be the only member of its line in the dex||

so it might not be too bad in that case

[rough kelp]

well erm ||this is cross continents evolution 🤓 ||

[torn ore]

This is coming out Nov. 3rd. Does this give us a release timeframe

[harsh lion]

not really

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1706656231258050703?t=EB5wiZXbL3s_yA_7yDK0qA&s=19

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Note: To clarify, you will need to download an update when The Indigo Disk releases. It does not come within the cartridge

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