Leaks for Pokémon

[spice timber]

he says it's not 100% accurate though

[tropic pollen]

Interesting

||more regionals hehehehehehe||

||Oh wait these are brand new, not variants||

|| 12 = 1 Ogerpon + 3 hero trio + 4 paradox forms + X ||

|| X = 4, so both the new bird and bug are two stage evolutions||

[spare hare]

||>15 new pokemon||

i want to believe

[tropic pollen]

||>15 new Pokemon for part 1||

[spare hare]

that would be pretty funny since ||kitakami is technically a new region||

||so it'd be kind of clever to give it a new bird and bug||

[tropic pollen]

||The real mystery is who’s the new person-tied mon||

[spare hare]

my mind wandered to the ||anime but all the biggest main chars have starters so who knows||

[spice timber]

||the anime also mostly focuses on new mons||

[tropic pollen]

||”not from this generation, starter or shillmon” is interesting||

||no way…. Captain Pikachu….||

[spare hare]

||he's technically a starter but he'd def be considered a "shillmon" too||

that description is funny bc it implies ||it's just some random fuck||

||which would make you wonder "why this mon"||

[tropic pollen]

||its finally his turn||

[spare hare]

||which is why i was trying if the anime would be important bc that's an easy rationale as to why they woudl choose that mon||

||but unfortunately no one we've seen yet who isn't just a minor char has something that fits this description||

[tropic pollen]

||the gimmick sounds…. Questionable tbh lmao||

[spare hare]

also we don't even know if we can trust that part

[tropic pollen]

||if its that close to mega evolution, why not just bring back mega evolution||

[spare hare]

bc pyoro said they couldn't say all of it was accurate

[tropic pollen]

||true. I believe the gimmick part tho cuz thats about what Khu was saying too||

[runic prawn]

hmmmm

[spare hare]

also ||i like the idea about ogerpon being able to use masks of the trio in addition to its own||

this would mean ||we're getting another grass/ghost||

@harsh lion

[arctic bobcat]

||would you count Zeraora as a shill Pokémon or not||

[tropic pollen]

||its a Pokemon that exists to sell movie tickets so maybe||

[harsh lion]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sad-gif-25219670

[spare hare]

||i'm assuming they mean "shillmon" to mean overrated/extremely popular dude like charizard, pikachu, or lucario||

so maybe not?

it's all completely subjective though based on the leaker's perspective so idk

[harsh lion]

||Why would they make the bird that was shown using air slash a poison/psychic. Sickening stuff.||

[tropic pollen]

||Im confused why they’d remove Ash greninja if they were just gonna do another one||

[arctic bobcat]

||it would be funny if there was a trend of Lucario or Lucario copy getting a new form in the order they debuted||

[harsh lion]

||Mega Lucario -> Hisuian Zoroark -> ???||

||Also poison ghost is cool i guess.||

||Dont buy that raikou entei cobalion terrakion and possibly keldeo are getting paradoxes tho||

||Also tfw not even the leaker knows poison birds name||

[tropic pollen]

||Finally. Meowstic-Non Binary.||

[spare hare]

||presumably keldeo will be left out, unless the regional bird or bug only gets one stage or something||

[tropic pollen]

||yea keldeo’s not getting a paradox form. The beasts don’t have a 4th equivalent||

[spare hare]

||i wonder if that theory about the three heroes essentially acting as starters will be true||

||since if this leak is legit, there is also a parallel of having a regional bird and bug apparently||

of course if that's true ||i hope that doesn't mean we can only get one of the 3 heroes for ourselves|| 💀

[tropic pollen]

||surely they wouldn’t. Not game freak.||

[spare hare]

||they did make us choose between the two urshifus, the two regis, and two horses in swsh dlc||

[tropic pollen]

||SURELY. NOT GAME FREAK.||

[harsh lion]

Lol

[arctic bobcat]

||technically, the beasts are paired with Ho-oh||

||but yeah, also I'm pretty sure Keldeo isn't technically part of the sword group anyway||

||at least the default group||

||idk if the flavor is supposed to be that it gets initiated or something else||

||ok Keldeo is also considered a mythical unlike the others as well I guess||

[soft lava]

A couple thoughts I have || this bit isn't exactly a spoiler but there were jhotonian wooper in the first trailer, which means its probably not exactly 'paldea', so regional forms might work weird.
Theres also a lot thats just echos of other leaks, like the 7* mons have special forms, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's not real info, but it seems to have have enough accurate info to get pointed out.
I'd be willing to bet the specific numbers like 15 mons and such ||

[tropic pollen]

||it was confirmed from the first trailer that part 1 takes place in a different region from Paldea, named "Kitakami" ||

[spare hare]

It's worth noting the twitter leaker who commented on it got a ton of things in the last direct

And has also leaked other stuff in the past as well

They're the one who leaked smrpg remake, smb wonder, another detective pikachu coming, etc.

So there is a good reason to be interested in this

[harsh lion]

||if theres actually Tera Forms im not playing indigo disk||

[arctic bobcat]

||it feels like it's implying to me that only starters and other grass/fire/water types get terraforms but I guess it's being deliberately vague with its examples of "elemental based mega evolution"||

[spare hare]

||i think they just mean based on one type rather than strictly elemental as in fire/grass/water/electric or whatever||

[arctic bobcat]

I see

||I mean honestly if this mechanic appears it's going to be so underbaked especially since it's cutting into the amount of new Pokémon designs||

[spare hare]

||it's really weird to introduce something like this in the last dlc too||

also kind of sad bc presumably this is ||another set of designs that will never appear outside of the paldea games||

[tropic pollen]

like i said

[arctic bobcat]

||it's why I get the feeling it would totally be a mechanic they only give to the starters and a smidgen of other new pokemon||

[spare hare]

||i've seen a theory it would apply to the 7 stars which would basically just be starters yea||

[spice timber]

||i honestly don't mind it being cosmetic, but it'll be super weird to think about until i actually see it||

||sounds more cute than anything||

[harsh lion]

||Kalosfan20131012: why isnt the new game kalos||

[tropic pollen]

||first of all shut the fuck up ||

||however you are right||

||but you have to give me this one, it sounds similar!!!!!!||

[spare hare]

||i hope the designs are at least sick||

[harsh lion]

LMAO

||nah ur right||

[tropic pollen]

||oh they'll definitely look cool ||

i hope

[spice timber]

oh i think khu confirmed ||the random mon that gets a new form||

at least that it exists

he said that it's ||something from gens 1-8 and it's not a starter||

maybe it's ||a snorlax form to advertise pokemon sleep||

[spare hare]

tbf that's also what ||4chan leaker said||

[marble sand]

||and I guess not lucario since that's my first instinct for "shillmon" lol||

||doesn't exactly narrow things down but hey||

[spice timber]

khu's posting more shit

(POTENTIAL SPOILERS FOR NEXT GAME I THINK) ||https://vxtwitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1675688600229511168?s=20 ||

also this (the image is fanart methinks)

^ both of these are characters that will appear in/have prominence in the dlcs

[spare hare]

||he must be saying that there's actually an adaman descendant in the dlc 💀 ||

also he actually sourced the fanart in a reply lmfao

[spice timber]

oh fuck, forgot to mention that

mb, yeah it's fanart that i think he was using to demonstrate his point

[spare hare]

i just mean like

khu is fucking awful but bro at least still takes the time to source the fanart

if khu can do it so can you (general you, not you specifically)

[spice timber]

extremely rare khu W

[silver shore]

What's sudachi?

[split swan]

take your bets

lady, dude, enbi

[spare hare]

Codename for the sv dlc

[silver shore]

Ohhh ic

[tropic pollen]

One thing that interests me is no leak has had a date yet

[arctic bobcat]

leakers can't get a date when they get no bitches fr

[marble sand]

So true

[surreal vault]

Khu is eternally maidenless

For the better I think

[velvet bobcat]

I hope he gets a girl with an ego bigger than his

[spice timber]

oh apparently he only posted the source after the original artist called him out for it

so still a khu L

[red garden]

||Look at gigantamax and apparently the rumoured terraforms. Basically their excuse of "bringing back" mega evolutions without actually bringing back mega evolutions. Question answered. Same thing here||

Damn scroll

[tropic pollen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487263094591062019/549326480367288321/when_something_is_SUPER_OUT_THERE.gif

[harsh lion]

lets agree that ||B3W3|| would be the worst outcome

[tropic pollen]

||NUH UH ||

[harsh lion]

its true though

||Paradox Unova|| means nothing to me
||Legends Kyurem|| would be fucking sick
and ||Let's Go Unova|| would likely be ||a better remake than anything they could do with the current formula or by outsourcing it to the likes of ILCA||

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dedede-king-dedede-king-shocked-scared-gif-19337144

||Unova is coming||

[tropic pollen]

||i dont know how to say this in a vulgar way thats funny so i will just say that i really really really really really really really really really dont think "Lets Go Unova" can ever be good||

[harsh lion]

||B3W3|| would be the worst outcome because ||1. Unova does not need more routes|| and ||2. What do you even do for the characters anymore. What's the appeal of a sequel when every major character's arc has been resolved||

||Unless you're a freak who wants to see Cedric Juniper, Alder or Drayden dead and Route 17 to be available at the start of the game so that you can get early Swablu and Mienfoo||

[surreal vault]

||Oh it's 4th of July KHU PLEASE||

[spare hare]

||im saying it's bw3 but paradox unova would be insane||

[harsh lion]

||If anything you have to admit it'd have better - or at least prettier - graphics than any of the other options||

[tropic pollen]

I cant say that prematurely

[harsh lion]

||I don't think it's lets go anyway||

[spare hare]

||let's go was meant to get that huge wave of new go players into main series so if they stick with that goal for the Let's Go games then there's less of a reason to make johto onwards ||

[surreal vault]

||What would paradox unova be???||

[spare hare]

||and personally I just do not care for the Let's Go systems as much as the actual main games||

[spare hare]

||Maybe some AU like what people thought ultra sun and moon would be||

[harsh lion]

||I think the only point of a new lets go game would be to make a Johto one bc they went out of their way to put Archer in LGPE but it's been five years since LGPE's release so I don't even see that happening||

[spare hare]

||But with new fucked up mons||

[harsh lion]

||If it were called Let's Go: Pikachu and Let's Go: Eevee then yeah maybe. But it's not gonna be a side series||

[spare hare]

Imo that's like the biggest giveaway that a leaker has no idea what they're talking about

When they say ||"oh yea Let's Go games are coming in this direct!"||

[harsh lion]

I hope nothing comes out of this

||Or worse, I hope the next Unova game is the absolute worst outcome possible and everyone is unhappy with it because gen 5 fans need to be taken down a notch 🙏 That or it's legends||

[spare hare]

||OK but if we really are getting unova games next that explains what they're doing for the rest of gen 9 bc I was wondering what they would do after sv dlc||

[harsh lion]

||I kinda feel like it's too soon? We just had two Sinnoh games. But I guess that'd be late 2024-early 2025-late 2025||

||If they do this it will seem like the Gen 8 formula is going to keep up though||

[spare hare]

Also ||with khu's tweet about one of the dlc chars having spoilers for the next game that must mean that the new unova game may be tied to paldea in some way, which is going back to the usual method of having a revisit of a region be tied to that generation (so basically not like bdsp)||

That makes more sense than ||the next game being an entirely new one at least||

[runic prawn]

a

||paradox unova is the weirdest guess there so I feel it must be that||

||but I feel a legends for unova is a given||

||wait actually let's go unova is the dumbest guess so that means it will happen somehow ||

[spare hare]

:SCtiredL

[runic prawn]

||although the specific wording of "paradox" unova makes me wonder if it's based on the paradox mons in some way... if that's even real||

||it could be just random made-up stuff to mess with us too lol||

[spare hare]

||maybe paradox unova will be it considering that khu said one of the sv dlc chars is holding the key to the lore which is a spoiler for the next game||

||a unova created by terapagos||

[runic prawn]

||that does sound sick||

[marble sand]

I'm less excited and more fearful ngl lmao

[tropic pollen]

||waiting 9 years for bdsp and then only ~3 for the next remake has me Big Worry||

[marble sand]

||lmao real||

||legends kyurem or whatever the hell paradox unova is seem like the better outcomes||

[spice timber]

HOLY FUCK ||IF IT'S PARADOX UNOVA IT MIGHT BE LIKE THOSE GAME CONCEPTS BACK IN GEN 7 FOR A GAME THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN ULTRA SPACE||

[spare hare]

It's not like they worked on bdsp for that long though

[tropic pollen]

they didnt even work on bdsp

(i mean ILCA worked on it, not that it wasn't worked on at all)

[spare hare]

Yea ik

But like

I don't think time makes that much of a difference

[tropic pollen]

||If paradox unova just means "unova without unova pokemon" im gonna be mad!!!!||

[spare hare]

Why would it mean that.

[harsh lion]

||i hope its a unova game with only gen 1-4 mons||

[tropic pollen]

idk!!! im paranoid!! its a chronic issue!

[spare hare]

||paradox unova means they'll have every unova pokemon except patrat line||

[spice timber]

i think it'd be ||unova with a dex made entirely of paradoxes of unova mons, and also pidove evolves directly into unfezant||

[harsh lion]

||tranquill is a separate mon||

||pidove evolves into unfezant at the normal evo level for unfezant||

[spare hare]

||it'd be interesting if by paradox unova he meant something like taking how they handled opelucid city but applying it to all of unova||

||since you know, the paradoxes in sv are themed around distant past/far future||

[spice timber]

||calling it paradox implies that it isn't exactly a natural occurance either||

[spare hare]

||if it is bw3 the people who made the bw3 rom hack better watch out||

[tropic pollen]

wait that exists

[spare hare]

i learned about it today

apparently it's a ||crystal hack||

it actually looks pretty sick

[tropic pollen]

what

[spice timber]

wait that goes hard????

[spare hare]

i only learned about it from one of the replies on ||khu's unova poll|| but it's also only been around for a couple months, seems like

well finished for a couple months lol

[harsh lion]

||Tfw the bw3 game has less pokemon in the regional dex than the bw2 game||

||This is a joke^||

[spice timber]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-21621826

[grizzled turret]

I’m winning

[marble sand]

Less is more

[ivory prawn]

||MFW Area Zero was actually a hint at a Unova remake bc its a reference to the Giant Chasm ||

[harsh lion]

||game freak this is the 4th time youve presented "legendary pokemon that arrives to region via a meteorite" in class||

[spare hare]

|| jedi when the xy remakes offer new lore about the extraterrestrial origins of xerneas and yveltal||

||or ig it should technically be zygarde bc it's the 3rd legendary||

[ivory prawn]

||Jedi when the XY remakes features a new mountain area with a forest full of giant Xerneas trees with Yveltal cocoons hanging off them||

[harsh lion]

||Jedi when the XY remakes give Xerneas and Yveltal new forms that make them more horse-like||

[ivory prawn]

||Jedi when the XY remakes make horse Xerneas somehow look like shit compared to horse Yveltal||

[tranquil laurel]

||You know at least there’s 2 gen 6 fans to be loud and annoying about remakes after gen 5 stuff passes||

[harsh lion]

As it should be tbh

[ivory prawn]

||No but actually XY remakes when they make the most ugly ass gundam forms for Xerneas and Yveltal like Zygarde Complete||

[tropic pollen]

||THE OUTERSPACE REGION KNOWN AS: SCANDINAVIA||

[tranquil laurel]

||Anyways I don’t deserve this fate of receiving bad unova remakes please no||

[tropic pollen]

why are you all so mean to me

crying

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-crying-victini-gif-17365808

[ivory prawn]

||I mean I don't think BDSP is the fair comparison here, it's PLA||

[tranquil laurel]

||Yeah but I still don’t want BDSP 2 that game blows||

[ivory prawn]

||I like how that sentence completely does not match what I just said||

[tranquil laurel]

I may be stupid

[spare hare]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-kyogre-origin-pulse-gif-25082829

[harsh lion]

||if unova remake = bdsp, then we get challenge mode sets for bw. best outcome.||

[spare hare]

||can they cook for alder||

[ivory prawn]

||I feel like they're not gonna want to outsource a 'faithful remake' again even if they do decide to do something that's not a remake like PLA again instead of a remake like ORAS or LGPE
Considering how hard ILCA bungled it not even in terms of the quality of the game, more so the fact that the game is built in Unity or some shit and basically gave modders a dream toy||

[spare hare]

outsource it to me i promise i'll make a good game

[ivory prawn]

||MFW They outsource to a company whose name is "I love computer arts"||

[arctic bobcat]

||me when the XY remakes have a Victini and uhh Waluigi as their new promo pokemon so its now VW||

[arctic bobcat]

computer arts is my passion

[tranquil laurel]

||Idk how internally they view BDSP since it did sell well||

||More than legends by a good bit||

||Which like yeah unfair comparison legends wasn’t 2 versions but still||

[spice timber]

||legends was also not released during the holiday season||

[spice timber]

had a thought about ||paradox unova||

||we've been getting a shitton of fanservice for both johto and unova, and if the game revolves around paradoxes then theoretically anything can happen||

what if ||the game literally combines johto and unova together into one region to kill two tranquills with one stone||

[runic prawn]

||so it's let's go johto AND let's go unova ||

[ivory prawn]

||Let's Go Kyurem||

[split swan]

Maybe they will reuse the idea ||of Kyurem fusing with other pokemon, like Landorous, Victini, or Genesect||

since it wasn't original meant ||to fuse with the other dragons, but they did want it to fuse with something||

[rough kelp]

(thread) raid spoiler ||https://fxtwitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1676339151593930753 ||

this is interesting...

stat detail in the thread also

[spare hare]

||so it's not even that you get a mew or have a special partner mew partner, it's just if you bring a mew? Man||

Thats kind of neat though I guess

[rough kelp]

it's interesting to me that ||they play the stat boost animation but the stat boost itself is not the normal kind||

from the numbers in the thread ||the stat boost seems to be 50% for hp and 20% for other stats||

[spare hare]

interestingly, ||the raid mon stat reset does not affect these stat boosts||

so it actually does make a difference

also ||called the first 7 star legendary raid being mewtwo ||

well unless they're just adding this way in advance i guess

||this is a pretty interesting interaction to include though since it's not like mew is easily available anyways, so i wonder if they were planning on advertising this||

[spice timber]

i definitely feel like ||they'll distribute a mew for this||

[rough kelp]

someone mentioned ||anniversary of the first movie is in like 2 weeks, so they may distribute mew and release the raid then||

[spare hare]

||maybe the week after the delphox raids end then||

||they'd be going back to their usual schedule for 7 stars||

[surreal vault]

Huh

[surreal vault]

Can you post the thread posts here

Because non Twitter users can't see if

[ivory prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-took-that-personally-keegan-michael-key-saturday-night-live-personal-sensitive-gif-21648238

||Mew seeing a 7 Star Mewtwo||

[surreal vault]

Ty

[rough kelp]

oops was afk

oh hey there's more to this

||https://fxtwitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1676414025431756802 ||

in the thread ||they also said this is only for mew, they tried with an espathra and didn't get it. also the mewtwo maybe uncatchable and the reward is mightiest mark for mew||

[spare hare]

||they gotta give a Mew for this right??||

Imagine if they don't lmfao

[rough kelp]

the soon-to-be-released ||go plus plus plus plus|| sitting at gamefreak office:

[spice timber]

||every time niantic makes a shitty decision they put a new go+ model in their swear jar||

[harsh lion]

||imo theyre not mutually exclusive but the raid does give mew the mightiest mark so its def going to be a 7 star raid event that you bring your own mew for||

[harsh lion]

|| https://vxtwitter.com/Sibuna_Switch/status/1676414029093322752?t=lQOQc9smGYYVTCrQTQS4uA&s=19 ||

[shell sand]

yes i know

i just like chesnaught :)

[spare hare]

@tropic pollen

||maybe we're getting convergent mons in dlc||

[tropic pollen]

||perhaps the bird and bug?||

[spare hare]

oh now there's an idea

||that would be very interesting considering the original mons would have to not be a bird or bug to begin with||

||that would actually be pretty cool||

the timing on this comment

[surreal vault]

Does

He

Know

[tropic pollen]

||wait what if its a bug type line imitating a flying type line and a flying type line imitating a bug type line
or even two lines imitating the other? ||

[spare hare]

that would be sick

[tropic pollen]

||like idk Rfake Fearrow (bug type) and Rfake Yanmega (bird line) ||

[spice timber]

||WE FUCKING WIN THESE||

LFGGGGGGGGGGGG

||i wonder how they'll handle it, will it be a regional bug/bird becoming something else, or two unrelated mons becoming bugs/birds||?

[harsh lion]

||bug type watchog and flying type ariados||

[tropic pollen]

||WATCHOG FANS STAY MIDDING ||

[velvet bobcat]

||wasn't a magikarp and/or gyarados rfake planned at one point?||

[harsh lion]

||that's the one that got seemingly replaced by toedscool||

[tropic pollen]

@spare hare @surreal vault honestly ||there might be a mew event given these leaks above||

[surreal vault]

||I mean...they could just advertize both LGPE and BDSP by saying "to get mew just buy these two games lol"||

[spare hare]

||i def hope it's an event||

||just gotta wait 3 more years for them to distribute all mythicals again||

[tropic pollen]

||man i should've bought Crystal instead of Gold. I aint never getting a shiny Celebi.||

[spice timber]

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/551972811854577665/1127792330146074655/F0pHsZpWwAAGEC1.png ||

[stoic kindle]

||Darkrai and cresellia were obvious choices what||

[rough kelp]

I mean it's literally just gonna be ||gen 1,2 and all evolutions of those mons.||

||I guess beside the newer one like annihilape||

oh nvm I am blind ahh hell

[hot zenith]

Me when my family has company over

||Okay Doduo and Dodrio's are cute||

||There are two forms that alternate between 1-2 heads resting and the others standing guard||

[tropic pollen]

||Sleep?||

[dry shell]

Are any of the legendary’s from past games returning besides gen 8 and 3

[spare hare]

we don't know for sure yet

[spare hare]

4chan leak, not confirmed but people noticed there were some interesting similarities to things khu said after this

since khu's been pretty busy lately

[harsh lion]

If this was real i would marry this game

||FUCKING DRAYDEN FINALLY DUDEEEE I know its not him but you cant tell me past/future dragons doesnt scream opelucid||

||CRAWDAUNT EVO WOULD BE HILARIOUS BC ITS NOT SO UNREASONABLE WITH KINGAMBIT||

[spare hare]

||this would also line up with what khu said about one of the dlc characters being a spoiler for the next games||

||bc khu has basically been flat out confirming it's gonna be some unova game||

[tropic pollen]

||MR. CRAW 📞 ||

[harsh lion]

||Also if we got a water grass koffing. Im curious as to what its abilities would be||

[spare hare]

||maybe we will get paradox unova or something with the past/future shit||

||predicting the unova games will be bangers tbh||

[spare hare]

||this is an incredibly funny idea to me so i hope it's true||

||as for the abilities uh....||

||seed sower ||

[harsh lion]

wtf is that

oh nevermind no i know

||Give it three please pleaaaase. Unless it gets some funny signature||

||MYCELIUM MIGHT... 2||

[spare hare]

||triage watermelon koffing lfg||

||i wonder what the name would be||

||since the other two convergents are the exact same names with slight alterations||

[tropic pollen]

||my guess is harvest, hydration, or water absorb||

[tropic pollen]

||Poffing and Gleezing||

[tropic pollen]

||This sounds pretty crazy
I have a good idea where the new area will open up btw||

||on the final ramp down to the lab, there is a big cluster of crystals that hug the wall. Ive always thought they looked perfect to later blow up and reveal a cave behind||

[spare hare]

||crawdaunt evo would be kind of insane||

[harsh lion]

||165 atk adaptability aqua jet pls||

[spare hare]

tagging for later

[harsh lion]

||also it keeps knock off ROFL||

[surreal vault]

||CRAWDAUNT EVOLUTION???????||

||ARE YOU INSANE||

[harsh lion]

||Bisharp got one whats stopping mr craw||

||Please Let This Happen It Would Be So Funny||

[surreal vault]

||BISHARP WAS ALREADY FALLING OFF. Crawdaunt was balanced by its lack of stats... ||

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-dog-white-dog-scared-meme-gif-23585947

||Crawdaunt with actual bulk sounds horrific||

[harsh lion]

||It's ok if we're lucky it'll be slower than Crawdaunt like how Bisharp is faster than Kingambit||

||^ This means more BST to give to other stats||

||But at least DD will be less effective!||

||Unless it's a bulky superbeast that can get like three Dragon Dances off,||

[tranquil laurel]

Bro if this is real I’m popping off

[harsh lion]

This sounds like the best leak ever for real

[tranquil laurel]

I love all of this

[surreal vault]

This just

[harsh lion]

No like literally

[surreal vault]

Sounds real

Reasonably real

[tranquil laurel]

||Watermelon koffing is amazing||

[harsh lion]

||>Ghost/Dark with good stats

New Water/Grass
The bird is weak to ground fucking lmao
Unova character reference (I would've loved to see Benga though if we're bringing someone's grandson into the mix)
Crawdaunt evolution||

[tranquil laurel]

||It’d be funny if drayden is either dead or like 100 years old||

[tropic pollen]

@harsh lion @surreal vault please remember the funniest part

||Mr. Craw 2 can terastalize||

[harsh lion]

😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

||"Thank goodness Kingambit doesn't get Knock Off"

Starstriker-boosted Tera Dark Mr. Craw 2 Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 336-396 (77.4 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO||

[surreal vault]

God help us

||Ursaluna is a joke its time for mr craw||

[harsh lion]

||Ursaluna real UUBL warrior vs Mr. Craw 2 real Community Survey warrior||

||If this is real it's going to be the best rain mon and depending on abilities as good or even better than Kingambit||

[spice timber]

just hit me that ||what if watermelon koffing's thing is that it rolls around, kinda like how toedscool's thing is that it runs around on floppy legs||

||and that's why they chose koffing of all things||

^ speculation

[split swan]

|||Drayden's Grandson?||

[ivory prawn]

||Aw hell nah Crawdaunt is a top tier design they better make a BANGER||

[spare hare]

better live up to this pokedex image smh

[vestal arch]

||what if it looks vaguely like mega sharpedo because of crawdaunt looking vaguely like sharpedo||

[surreal vault]

||Judging from past evolutions, this thing's gonna have a BST over 500. Like 510-550||

||What kind of stat spread would this mean||

[harsh lion]

||83/145/95/90/85/45 ur welcome||

[spare hare]

||the evos usually keep the abilities too||

||adaptability 145 atk crawdaunt evo 🔥 🔥 ||

||it'll probably get some new sig move too|||

[velvet bobcat]

||I'm a bit worried about the story. So far nothing seems to connect to anything from the main game story||

||ain't no way they'll do the dlc without featuring a single character from the main story||

||what if Geeta isn't sus after all 😭||

[spice timber]

||tfw geeta's team is bad because she's dumb and not because she's secretly an alien/projection of terapagos that chose the first 6 pokemon it found to make a team with to look normal||

[split swan]

tbh in hindsight ||I feel like when GF makes a gen, they don't outline the whole plot they would like to explore in future projects. Rather they leave bread crumbs they may like to explore if they felt like. Notably they didn't have a solid plan for Kyurem when they made it back in Black and White which is why its true origin story in 2 contradicts what was said of it back in 1.||

TLDR: ||I wouldn't be surprised if they made Geeta mysterious because they thought they could explore that thread in one of the two dlc stories, but eventually decided not to do so.||

[ivory prawn]

I don't know how true that is considering its Pokedex category

Reshiram being the Vast White Pokemon and Zekrom being the Deep Black Pokemon

Which in Japanese are はくよう hakuyou (white light) and こくいん kokuin (black dark)

yin and yang are the chinese pronunciations for the words 陰陽 which in Japanese are in'you

So they are literally the white yang and black yin pokemon

Ok I was thinking about how to explain this in detail but I kind of just

Don't want to so in summary there are two concepts in asian philosophy called wuji and taiji

taiji basically means like 'the supreme limits' and wuji means like 'without limits'

wuji is like chaos in which all energy is the same and indistinct, but infinite

taiji is after the wuji becomes separated into contrasting things like light and darkness

Hence those are limits

But in having limits and juxtaposing things there can actually be existence instead of infinite chaos

So basically kyurem is the wuji, the primordial chaos where all energies were mixed together, before it separated into the yin and yang to make taiji

[spare hare]

can't wait for them to ||add some stupid lore about the unova dragons in the new unova games||!

[ivory prawn]

lmao

Oh right and so the yin and yang symbol is called a taijitu

the tu part at the end literally just means drawing

it's a drawing of the taiji

Also looking at SwSh's Kyurem dex entry they lowkey retconned the BW pokedex about it being a heatran situation

In BW they were like 'haha it makes cold energy but it froze itself bc of that energy oops'

But in SwSh they say it purposefully freezes itself to contain its own power

[stoic kindle]

||as soon as a new bw projected is announced I'm sure 100 fake leaks will follow about a complete kyrem||

[spice timber]

inb4 it's ||primal zekrom and primal reshiram, with kyurem staying the exact same||

[split swan]

I have a feeling ||unova legends will be in the far future to contrast legends arceus being in the past ||

[harsh lion]

^||imagine Black Opelucid City vibes for the whole game as some mad scientists used the DNA Splicers to "bring back the original dragon." so there's just a beast that looks even more fucked up than Black/White Kyurem roaming around the map and destroying stuff. it would be peak||

[split swan]

In hindsight I wouldn't be surprised if ||Legends Unova stared Genesect||

given how that pokemon is a mythic unlike Kyurem and the previous Legends game expanded the story of a previous Mythic

[arctic bobcat]

even though ironically ||Genesect is supposed to be a fossil||

||maybe they could show us its original unmodified form||

[split swan]

in fact it wouldn't be surprising if they go that direction, since back when they were planning the next game in gen 5, they considered having Kyurem fuse with someone but not Reshiram and Zekrom ||one of the place holder titles was Violet, which meant Genesect was one of the candidates||

[harsh lion]

||A Legends game would also allow them to do that because unlike mainline, they don't need a limited-time event to make Mythical Pokémon available - PLA lets you catch Arceus and Manaphy without needing events or other games (which you do need for Darkrai and Shaymin)||

[arctic bobcat]

||inb4 it focuses on Victini for whatever reason||

[split swan]

ironically ||Victini may have been one of the candidates too... two place holder titles were Scarlet and Crimson...||

[harsh lion]

||New ice fire its still busted as shit because they cant make a normal pokemon with this type||

[stoic kindle]

||starting to think that they were trademarked so other people wouldn't use it||

[tropic pollen]

||I cant wait for Reshiram and Zekrom to have ugly forms instead of just giving us the original dragon||

[harsh lion]

||Original dragon will exist except its just BlackWhite Kyurem and its gonna look uglier than you could ever imagine||

||Its gonna be a very comprehensible design and people will call it an "Eldritch Cosmic Horror" however||

[tropic pollen]

||The classic||

[harsh lion]

||Just 4 u||

[ivory prawn]

||Original Dragon Kyurem which for no fucking reason has no feet||

||Just another serpent dragon like Giratina and Necrozma for no fucking reason||

[harsh lion]

||But Necrozma... has feet??????? Is this about eternatus or||

[ivory prawn]

||Fuck lmao I meant Eternatus yea||

||Me when the dragon serpent that looks like a skeleton is not named Necro||

[harsh lion]

||To be fair dont half the gens have a serpent dragon legendary. And one of the gens that doesnt has a serpent dragon||

||Gen 5 and 7 are safe for now but just you wait until pokemon stars... magearna's new form will go crazy||

[ivory prawn]

||I don't know how to describe Giratina and Eternatus's genre of dragon serpent things||

||Like they're serpent dragon things but they're not like chinese dragons, they're not slim and tubular||

||Like Grima from Fire Emblem is another example||

[harsh lion]

||Listen i was going to contribute to that in any manner that could or could not be considered meaningful. But these are giratina and eternatus' body shapes in the dex||

[spice timber]

||tbh eternatus looks like an origin giratina that got hit by a big ball of fire and became a skeleton like that one koopa in the mario movie||

[tropic pollen]

||Basilisk||

[spare hare]

people with literally every kirby boss

[tropic pollen]

True!

[harsh lion]

Listen. When every character is a small ball. Seeing a big ball is so strange

[ivory prawn]

||Yea that's probably it||

[spare hare]

|| 🐎 ||

Instead of ||putting everything into kyurem make black reshiram and white zekrom||

[harsh lion]

☹️

[tropic pollen]

||Finally. The Black Yang pokemon.||

[arctic bobcat]

||mfw when instead of Pokemon Legends Kyurem, its Pokemon Legends Zekrom and Pokemon Legends Reshiram because TPC realized they screwed up by selling everything in one version||

[ivory prawn]

||I’ve got it
The story will be that some dude wants to recreate the original dragon by fusing Reshiram and Zekrom once again and they succeed in doing that, but it’s some weird abomination because they didn’t realize that Kyurem was the original dragon and didn’t include it in the equation||

[harsh lion]

💔

||i know its different bc theres no kyurem but shh 💔 ||

[ivory prawn]

Lol

||We will get an Electric/Fire type with the ability Boundless Dragon which makes it immune to ground type moves ignores the effects of abilities and makes its dragon moves neutral on fairy||

[harsh lion]

||no it just ignores abilities||

[tropic pollen]

No way Pokemon Insurgence

[ivory prawn]

What does Pokemon Insurgence do I couldn’t find anything about that

Actually fuck just ignoring fairy immunity just make its ability ignore resistances and immunities completely
Banned this mf to AG

[marble sand]

"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"

[ivory prawn]

Heat rotom when I send out a Rock/Ground type

[marble sand]

Ok Rock SURE but this boy ain't taking your ground type attacks. Unless you've got thousand arrows or mold breaker or whatever

(If you mean from a getting walled standpoint then yeah rotoms have dogshit coverage outside of their specific type move)

[spare hare]

literally just make ||teravolt/turboblaze but with types||

[spare hare]

it has negative sp def and gets crippled by burn :rdj:

[split swan]

I find it interesting 3 of the drives Genesect has ||match the legendary 3 dragons, makes you wonder, then again there is the 4th Water one that has no corresponding legendary, makes you wonder||

[spice timber]

clearly ||the 4th drive is representing cobalion (it's blue)||

[ivory prawn]

||It will have 100/150/120/150/120/90 BST it will not crumple to burn
I mean it's also fire type||

[spare hare]

I'm talking about the rock ground type

[ivory prawn]

Ah

[harsh lion]

this is what i thought too tbh

nice rock/ground with 45 base spdef take this overheat

[ivory prawn]

Ok but this is what I want now
Reshiram/Zekrom fusion, Fire/Electric, with 100/150/120/150/120/90 BST
Ability is Boundless Dragon, "The Pokemon is not bound to the ground nor by any impediments to its attacks."

And I dunno make it so Ice and Dragon attacks do 2x damage to it

[spare hare]

What about fairy

[ivory prawn]

Nah, I was just thinking ice/dragon b/c funny kyurem

But maybe could just make it grant all properties of dragons?

"This Pokemon radiates a draconic aura that unbinds it from the ground and any impediments to its attacks. Powers up Dragon moves, but lowers resistance to Ice, Dragon, and Fairy."

Wait I guess you'd have to give it dragon resistances too if you were giving it all properties of dragons

I dunno maybe just giving it dragon stab and weaknesses is enough

I mean they're not that helpful anyway since like Fire/Electric already resists everything Dragon resists

Well not water but like

Stfu

[spice timber]

(dlc spoilers?) ||watermelon weezing|| just got soft confirmed by khu i think

[spare hare]

Please let this mean that ||Mr craw 2 is real||

[spare hare]

@surreal vault

[spice timber]

khu also just kinda hinted at the whole ||ogerpon becoming a proper oni at some point in dlc2|| thing, so i feel like the 4chan leak is spot on

||it's time crawdaunt gang...||

[vestal arch]

||funny crawfish terrorizes everyone lfg ||

[surreal vault]

||BIG. BIGGER. BIGGER AND MEATIER THAN EVER! CLAAAAWS!||

[spice timber]

oh hol up

news flash

||https://twitter.com/pyoro_nd/status/1680783481662771204?s=46&t=qu0HDWMVapUjXHcqg4b_tQ ||

Pyoro (@Pyoro_ND)

Many ppl DM'd me with this 4chan post. The Teal Mask part is completely fake except for some types.

Twitter · Jul 17, 2023, 3:36 AM

supposedly (tragic) ||the part of this leak with watermelon koffing, crawdaunt, and ogerpon fusing with the loyal three is fake||

[spare hare]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-scar-mice-lifeisnotfair-struggle-gif-4682016

||there were some inconsistencies with that past leak pyoro mentioned about the regional bug and bird but i figured those could have been the parts pyoro said weren't completely accurate||

so ig ||we're back to looking at that one leak pyoro commented on||

[spice timber]

the thing that gets me the absolute most about this is that ||khu once again gets to feign inoccence because he never technically confirmed anything||

[spare hare]

they said not all of this was accurate but did comment on it

[spice timber]

i mean hey

||crawdaunt convergent bird gang||?

[spice timber]

WAIT

THIS MEANS THAT ||IT COULD BE ONE OF THE THREE BASED PICKS FOR THE FOOD CONVERGENT AND NOT WEEZING||

[marble sand]

||pumpkin drifblim||

||or souffle swalot||

[spare hare]

||khu also had a tweet out about a dark evo, so it probably is mightyena then since it was the only one from the list that didn't evolve at night, and one of the two kitakami twins has a poochyena in the trailer||

At least that was the popular theory

[spare hare]

Apparently|| it becomes green||

[spice timber]

hear me out

||jello swalot||

[tropic pollen]

There’s a post game antag that tries to recreate the original dragon but he doesn’t know what its called so he goes “come forth, the great NAMEHERE”

[harsh lion]

||tfw galarian zigzagoon is a stand-in for poochyena in swsh dexit and gets a 3rd evo just for sv to give mightyena an evo as well||

[harsh lion]

||greninja is water/dark. crawdaunt is also water/dark. this is how we win||

[surreal vault]

[tropic pollen]

Sob

[velvet bobcat]

I'm not understanding a thing tho
If this is fake then ||what the fuck is the riddler doing with all of the watermelon wezzing clues||

Is it coincidental or trolling

[surreal vault]

It's likely a coincidence

[runic prawn]

man pokémon leaks sure are fun

[spice timber]

if i had to guess it's both

||he probably put weezing there specifically to troll people||

[tropic pollen]

I. NEED TO KNOW. IF ||MR. CRAW 2 IS REAL OR NOT||

VOTE NOW ON YOUR PHONE IS ||MR CRAW 2 REAL?||

[harsh lion]

||if its not ill cry||

[spice timber]

been thinking about the 4chan leak that pyoro shared, i guess i'll post my ramblings here

assuming this leak is true about ||15 mons total||, we can kind of sus out what they could possibly be

||ogerpon + loyal three + babypagos + terapagos + two beasts + two swords + bug + bird = 12 mons, but only if the bug and bird both don't evolve (also assuming babypagos is a catchable mon)||

and also assuming ||beast fusion and sword fusion will take up two more slots, that means that the fruit convergent khu's been trolling about is also a single stage mon, which means that it's either spiritomb (could also be something random because khu) or a sandy shocks situation where only one member of a line is given the treatment||

ofc all this is speculation and i hope it's fake because ||mr craw||

[spice timber]

oh wait, this might mean that ||the ash-gren type form is gonna be for mightyena, because it doesn't make sense for it to be any of those convergents considering what khu said||

[velvet bobcat]

||who are the candidates for that form?||

[spice timber]

the original stuff listed ||umbreon, weavile, lycanroc-dusk and mightyena, but it was sussed out to be mightyena because it's the only one out of that group to not evolve exclusively at night, and carmine was also shown with a poochyena||

[split swan]

If ||Drayden has a grandson I wonder if he is related to Iris or not||

[harsh lion]

||Iris and Drayden are not related||

||Unless you mean "knows Iris" in which case I'd assume so||

[split swan]

||Iris calls Drayden grandpa right?||

[harsh lion]

||Yes but they aren't related by blood

Drayden: Ah yes... I was thinking about the past. I traveled all over the world looking for a successor. I even went to remote places such as the Village of Dragons. That's where I met you, Iris.
^From B2W2's Memory Link
Drayden basically just took Iris under his wing and trained her to become a very strong trainer/the Gym Leader of Opelucid City and later the Champion||

[split swan]

I see

[tender radish]

pokemon masters ex leak // ||SHES REAL||

[tropic pollen]

Im mad ||for hyping myself up for a Beheeyem evolution when i know that motherfucker isnt even coming back this gen||@harsh lion

[harsh lion]

LOOL

[tropic pollen]

Looking forward to 2025 😎 👍

I wonder if by then there’ll be some list of mons that haven’t been in a game since swsh

Probably

[harsh lion]

Toucannon and ONLY toucannon

[spice timber]

these POKEMON have been FORGOTTEN by GAME FREAK!

[tropic pollen]

GAME FREAK HAS FORGOTTEN ABOUT ||BEHEEYEM||

[spice timber]

oh hey

||the actual presents date leaked||

[spice timber]

oh wait it was already discussed in #leaks-and-rumors

still pog

[harsh lion]

posting sv dlc returning mons again

want to have this here like. as a message i can come back to any time. and also i want all of these pokemon buffed

[tropic pollen]

Just wanna point out for the future

||if there’ll be more paradox beasts/swords, we might get one for a Teal Mask presents and then another one for a Indigo Disk presents||

[harsh lion]

😈

||august 8... Thundering Fury and Iron Knight... we will be watching||

[spare hare]

||Iron Iron||

[marble sand]

||so that's all starters returning then. lfg||

[hot zenith]

I hope the dlc mons get their own dex pictures or I'm gonna be sad

stupid thread thingie that made me think I was at the end when I wasn't again...

[marble sand]

seriously don't know why they got rid of the "You're viewing old messages" indicator

[hot zenith]

i dunno either

I mean I don't think it's gone entirely because normal channels still have them so I think that stupid emote bar at the top is blocking it

[marble sand]

Probably lol

When you open a thread and get blinded by the super reacts every time bc 1 funny person put them on there

[hot zenith]

same

Also apparently (at least on Web) once there's so many emotes you can add more but you can't react to other people's emotes beyond the first few because the menu to view the rest will just show who reacted it

anyway, I better stop ranting, I'm going off-topic here

[marble sand]

[restive silo]

GOOD LIST

[spice timber]

||porygon, golett, solosis, metagross and dewpider back||

[dry shell]

Why no ||solgaleo||

Also they should be adding more returning mons in teal disk right

[spice timber]

i think this is because (and this is probably hard copium) ||these got leaked from scrubbed dex entries, and returning legendaries don't get dex entries because they're not considered part of the regional dex (unless it's stuff like the swords in crown tundra)||

[spare hare]

||pokemon without dex entries still got leaked the same way for crown tundra too||

We'll just have to see

[spice timber]

i completely doubt that ||they won't bring back the legendaries in some way, especially considering that for this worlds they allowed transfer mons for seemingly no reason||

and i know there's a theory that ||they did that and made it purposefully exclusive so they could then advertise some kind of way to get all legendaries in the dlcs, including shit like urshifu||

[spare hare]

I never said they wouldn't

[spice timber]

oh, yeah that's my bad

[spare hare]

I'm just saying that reasoning doesn't line up with what we know from swsh

[spice timber]

agreed, it's weird

[spare hare]

But for all we know they could just add that closer to release or something

[spice timber]

though i guess this whole entire thing is unorthodox to begin with

considering it's just leftover stuff

[harsh lion]

||210 leaked to return, 6 new confirmed... how many legendaries are there?||

[dry shell]

According to bulbapedia 68

[spice timber]

iirc the official website also said 200+

[dry shell]

How many Pokémon did they say would be returning in the SWSH DLC compared to the actual number of returning mons

Assuming they said it in the first place

[spice timber]

each dlc said "over 100 familiar/returning pokemon"

so it was basically 200 with an asterisk

[spare hare]

102 returning mons in ioa, 119 in ct

[spice timber]

how many returning mons were in ct minus the legendaries?

[dry shell]

230

[spare hare]

why is this important

but i counted and it's 69

there were 50 legendaries/mythicals/ubs

[spice timber]

i guess i was wondering because i was curious if they included returning legendaries in their count

[harsh lion]

are you counting the ones that came back thru home

[spare hare]

no

[harsh lion]

or is this just the max lair ones and their evolines

ah

so like ur not counting reshizek im assuming

[spare hare]

i am only counting the ones that were first playable in swsh through ct

i am not

[harsh lion]

i c

[spare hare]

||there's 212-213 deleted entries that aren't in the game as of now (so i excluded stuff like oshawott), and there's currently 37 legendaries/ubs not in the game right now (didn't include mythicals in the count so this would be higher with them)||

[spice timber]

i guess adding ||37|| extra mons on top of these other ones isn't much of a stretch considering ||how many legendaries already exist in sv, even ones that aren't directly from swsh/pla||

[spare hare]

||this actually fits with the statement on the website that there are more than 230 returning pokemon in the dlc||

[spice timber]

oh wait you're completely right

even factoring in ||leaked/hinted at new mons that would take more slots, they still wouldn't make it to 230||

[wraith gulch]

||basically every mon that hasn’t returned once is there||

[shell sand]

i thought you guys memed about || Beeheeyem || not being there

[tropic pollen]

|| yea its not||

[wraith gulch]

I don’t care about that, I’m just glad ||all the starters and minior|| are back

[spare hare]

loyal three

||so basically looks like they don't turn into superheroes or whatever for their forms, but this does seem to imply they have masked/tera mask variants||

||and judging from the third post, they might have some prevo or preliminary form even before the ones we've already seen||

[tropic pollen]

||”star eyes” might be Ogerpon||

[spare hare]

||i guess maybe it could be that one theory of them becoming masks for ogerpon||

|| :persona5: ||

[tropic pollen]

||the second tweet could also mean that “the three heroes” arent heroes at all||

[spare hare]

also he tweeted out ||"7+8+1" which ppl seem to be taking as 7 new mons in teal mask, 8 new mons in indigo disk, and i guess 1 mythical||

||he's posted some other things too but that's about the most interesting stuff||

[tropic pollen]

||one mythical huh||

||guess that checks out with Zarude||

[split swan]

Wonder if this ||mythic will be a mew expy (again design wise), a "bipedial beast" mythic, a four legged best mythic, or something more new or rare||

[spice timber]

i really hope ||it's not anything like zarude or volcanion, and kind of fits into its own niche like magearna and deoxys do||

i wonder if ||it'll be tied to tera at all, considering ogerpon's mask ties it to tera||

[split swan]

kinda wouldn't mind a ||mythic based on don quixote||

[spice timber]

SO PEAK

[split swan]

I know right

[spice timber]

oh, just had a thought regarding that

what if it's a ||paradox version of a mythical, that leans towards both past and future elements||

[tropic pollen]

||....paradox Celebi.||

[spice timber]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[split swan]

Was about to say it too

[spice timber]

https://twitter.com/Yoriden150/status/1686596629896261632?t=V9NGedpksgKvN3dfD6C_6Q&s=19

Yorimon (@Yoriden150)

Well that's kind of interesting...

Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 4:35 AM

[surreal vault]

Woe, lvl 90 quagsire apon ye

[surreal vault]

Horrific realization

||The unova game could be announced this presents||

[harsh lion]

it wont

[grizzled turret]

Animal crossing lookin ass

[velvet bobcat]

God please no

[harsh lion]

its fine itll be revealed next february

[velvet bobcat]

Dearest Pokémon Company,
STOP RELEASING GAMES
– the pokemon fandom

[spice timber]

it's 35 minutes long, but god that'd actually be wack

inb4 they spend a solid 10 minutes on ||the inevitable mewtwo/mew raid||

[grizzled turret]

20 minutes on unite

[hot zenith]

30

minutes on unite

[runic prawn]

then 5 is pokémon sleep DLC

[tropic pollen]

oh also khu is saying ||3 new games for the presents||

idk if we mentioned that

[velvet bobcat]

Oh god

That's too much

[harsh lion]

Thats not too much it happens a lot

However if there is anything resembling a new mainline game I will feel overwhelmed

[velvet bobcat]

What do you mean? Pokémon spin offs don't exist

[harsh lion]

Legends Arceus came out in january 2022

||Legends Genesect comes out in january 2024||

[tropic pollen]

there's a ||"fast regional fake that goes from purple to green"
Melon Koffing fast as fuck???||

[arctic bobcat]

mfers expecting new mainline when instead we get the Pokémon Cookie Crumblers puzzle game for mobile devices only

[harsh lion]

Pokémon Clicker, Pokémon Tap Battle, Pokémon Rumble Rush 2

I was gonna say something like they make a new gacha but it's for pokémon instead of trainers and then i realized GO is basically that

[north fjord]

You joke but I would be obsessed with a Pokémon clicker game

[harsh lion]

Pokémon Dream World 2...

[spare hare]

yeah i would really doubt new mainline here unless for some reason they plan on releasing the next games not in holiday 2024

but hopefully some meaty spinoffs

and even then they still announced pla in the feb presents the year before

[stoic kindle]

Pokemon the card game 2

[spare hare]

maybe they'll do something with mewtwo beyond ||an sv event||

i guess ||mewtwo could also show up in the detective pikachu sequel||

[stoic kindle]

||wasn't he in the trailer||

[spare hare]

||he might've been||, i don't remember lmao

||ok yeah he was||

||they could elaborate on the premise for the sequel a bit more since that game actually comes out relatively soon (2 months)||

[tropic pollen]

||i dont think they'd reveal a new mainline/legends game before the DLC is even released. That'd cut into sales||

[arctic bobcat]

||mfw this game is the only thing in between us and the sequel to the movie||

[harsh lion]

||Pokemon go has yet to add the megas||

[rose junco]

||yeah, imagine people that haven't played the first game (but saw the movie) are gonna be little lost if they don't explain the plot stuff at least a little lol||

||because I heard movie went in different direction||

[stoic kindle]

||hope we get another theatrical pokemon movie soon||

[rose junco]

||assuming plot is partially gonna be still looking for Harry||

[spice timber]

the fuck, ||3 new games||?

on top of ||sv dlc news and whatever unite/masters/go/sleep have||?

||that's so much||

[rose junco]

||well, Pokemon has always had a lot of stuff going on lol||

||is hard to keep up sometimes||

[spice timber]

||it just feels like a lot for 35 minutes, especially if they choose to go in-depth on anything||

[tropic pollen]

Tbf, ||35 is also a lot||

||Its like the length of a wholeass direct||

[rose junco]

||yeah, I think this is the longest Presents so far||

[spice timber]

where exactly did khu say ||3 new games||?

i'm lookin around in his twitter page and i don't see anything regarding it

[runic prawn]

honestly ||it could be 3 new spinoffs so like idk||

[rose junco]

||yeah, I expect a Mystery Dungeon at least (hopefully a new one, another remake at this point would suck)||

[tropic pollen]

||whaaaat||

[surreal vault]

||Oh yeah PMD exists...hopefully||

[spice timber]

||i think if a new PMD had gen 8-9 mons i'd try it out, i've never gotten fully into a mystery dungeon game before||

[north fjord]

||My question is would they have all the Pokémon in it, or cut the dex again||

||More than likely the latter||

[harsh lion]

||RTDX didnt have every pokemon||

[north fjord]

||It was also a direct remake||

[harsh lion]

||Gates also didn't and if you want to get REALLY technical about it, Super was missing Volcanion||

[stoic kindle]

||oh no not volcanion||

[velvet bobcat]

||would be cool if we got a game in which we could send every pokémon from home into it||

||not mainline ofc||

||maybe something with super training and pokeamie on it||

[north fjord]

||A Stadium/Battle Revolution successor would be perfect for that||

||Something competitive focused||

[velvet bobcat]

||I'd be down for the exact opposite and a cosy casual home for all the buddies I gathered in the past nine generations||

||best timeline we get both in one package||

[north fjord]

||Minigame mode too||

[velvet bobcat]

||COMPETITIVE mini game mode||

||fuck it put pokemon contests on it too||

[stoic kindle]

||pokeberries and all||

[velvet bobcat]

||drop on it all of the side shit we don't have anymore||

[north fjord]

||Every gimmick and form in the battle mode||

[velvet bobcat]

||the pokemon showdown killer||

[spice timber]

AYO

POTENTIALLY BIG FUCKIN NEWS

||THE CRAW MIGHT BE BACK||

[harsh lion]

?

go on

[spice timber]

i think people cracked one of the riddles

this one, that was seen as alluding to ||mightyena evo||

it's complicated as fuck because khu is weird, but i think it was said like

||"moonless night" referred to this part of detective pikachu, which meant it would be part water||

and ||the mention of april 2023 was the last presents, and the guy who leaked it was named absol-lutely, which i heard as saying that the other typing is dark but idk||

[spice timber]

the ||split day/night image was referring to this i think as well, which kind of makes it obvious||

we won i think

[harsh lion]

||watching gameplay that this hint refers to||

||in the same map as the puzzle with the moons, you meet one pokémon: feebas||

||the puzzle takes you past a tropius statue, where you meet a grotle and a shellos||

||i don't think there's a chance for the mon that gets an evo to be flying or grass type: cacturne and honchkrow are already in scarlet and violet, shiftry couldn't possibly get a 4th evolution, and it'd be weird for bombirdier to get one since it's a new mon - and a titan. the puzzle also involves a masquerain but the only bug/dark is lokix. likewise it also has another water type, poliwag.||

||the only mon that i could genuinely see getting an evolution other than crawdaunt is mandibuzz, which is in fact coming back in the dlc and does tie into two of those pokemon's types (masquerain and tropius's flying type) and could get an evo to match hisuian braviary||

||But of course,||

[spice timber]

where is that in the gameplay vid?

[spare hare]

What does this mean

The last presents was in february

[harsh lion]

||We won Crawdauntbros||

[harsh lion]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyoH86bsrew || 8:50 give or take

well, 9:50 for the first screencap

[spice timber]

yeah, i think that's a stretch

[spare hare]

||how is this possibly real but pyoro said that one leak was fake af|| 😭

[vestal arch]

||if crawdaunt 2 lives i'm going to something holy shit||

[spice timber]

wait, how does ||this gameplay tie to the original hint||?

[harsh lion]

||Its the same chapter, just about 15-20 minutes later in the game. You get to crawdaunt's place by guessing the moon hint correctly three times||

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AuxcwqLeXA This is the video before it||

[spice timber]

OOOH OK

ty

[spare hare]

That's p interesting but again it directly conflicts with what pyoro said

So one of these mfs is just wrong, assuming that's what the hint actually is supposed to be leading to

[harsh lion]

Of course all this could possibly mean is that ||whatever Dark type gets a new form or evo just adds the Water type to it, if it isn't Crawdaunt itself||

[spice timber]

it could be like

[spare hare]

||if pyoro is wrong then that other leak would be back on the table||

[spice timber]

a mix

[harsh lion]

I'm gonna be cautious and say ||Mightyena||. Not the first time we've gotten a ||water dog|| :^)

[spice timber]

pyoro said that that leak was fake, but did he say the stuff in it was fake?

it could be real anyways

[spare hare]

Pyoro straight up said everything in teal mask was wrong besides some types though (which implies those were just guesses too)

[spice timber]

ooh true

but yeah it's weird

it also isn't confirmed to be ||crawdaunt|| yet anyways

watch it be something random like ||edgy pelipper form||

[harsh lion]

||Water weavile. Stab surf. Peak.||

[spare hare]

I'd prefer pyoro to be wrong here tbh

||I want a funny crawdaunt evo||

[harsh lion]

||Me too we need kingambit 2 now with knock off||

[spare hare]

||broken ass dlc kingambit||

[harsh lion]

||Gets wicked blow and surging strikes||

[spice timber]

||great tusk looking at the adaptability surging strikes on the table||

[surreal vault]

||Pyoro being wrong would be a huge blow to his credibility unfortunately||

[spare hare]

||but we get mr craw 2.||

[vestal arch]

||screw pyoro's credibility I want crawgambit||

[surreal vault]

||So atm its either Mightyena or Crawdaunt...tbh Mightyena deserves it more but Craw evo would be hilarious||

[spice timber]

i'm talkin in a different server, and they're thinking it might ||be both||

with ||carmine having the mightyena evo and kieran having the crawdaunt||

the logic is ||carmine is protective/wary of outsiders so she gets mightyena (a mon that focuses a lot on familial ties), while kieran is more curious about them so he gets crawdaunt (a mon that has been described as invasive and adaptable in every dex it's been in)||

[surreal vault]

||Khu hasn't ruled out two evolutions right?||

[spice timber]

no iirc

[spare hare]

Supposedly there are ||7 mons in teal mask, if that's what that hint from earlier means||

We already ||know about 4 (loyal three and ogerpon) which leaves 3||

[surreal vault]

||But two have to be the Melon Koffings||

[spice timber]

which would then result in ||these two evos and the fruit convergent|| i'd imagine?

[spare hare]

||depends if the fruit convergent has an evo ig||

If it does then ||we wouldn't get 2 evos in teal mask||

[vestal arch]

||what if the fruit convergent's spiritomb for some godforsaken reason||

[spice timber]

i guess, if they aren't ||making the fruit mon go from two stages to one stage, then it's probably spiritomb?||

khu did say that ||the fruit convergent is fast, which would make sense with how toedscool ended up||

[split swan]

||I wonder if the moon stuff ties into the loyal three||

[harsh lion]

||Well toedscool and toedscruel's stats are unchanged from tentacool and tentacruel||

[spare hare]

||well we won't know for sure if there's two evos tho||

and yea that

[harsh lion]

||Same for wig dig||

[surreal vault]

||Wait so if it's fast...what were the options again||

[spare hare]

||did he say it was fast?||

[surreal vault]

||Spritiomb is slow as balls||

[harsh lion]

||Jedi posted abt it earlier iirc||

[vestal arch]

||weez drifloon swalot tomb iirc||

[harsh lion]

.

[surreal vault]

||It's driftloon||

[spare hare]

oh that's not fast, that's first

[surreal vault]

Oh

[spare hare]

bc he posted another hint right after that leading with "second"

[vestal arch]

||drifblim sorry typing fast sucks||

[harsh lion]

ah

[spare hare]

||tomb is back on the menu||

||weezing is back on the menu||

[harsh lion]

||Well I just don't see how you make a fruit out of spiritomb...||

[vestal arch]

||something growing outta a rock or a real fuckin weird pineapple||

[spare hare]

||have it be the inside of a dragonfruit, the green dots are actually seeds instead and the purple part is white||

although ig it has to be ||green||

[harsh lion]

||I don't know what a dragonfruit looks like so your answer doesn't mean much rn||

[spare hare]

these things are wacky

[harsh lion]

I cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnt really see it man

[surreal vault]

I can

[vestal arch]

i get the general idea

[spice timber]

OH WAIT i remember now

it must've been ||swalot||?

i swear i remember a convo about it, lemme find it

found it, while it's not confirmation or anything, there's a citrus fruit that has a leaf that looks exactly like ||gulpin's leaf thing||

iirc it's also called a ||sudachi, which is the codename for the sv dlc||

[spare hare]

oh very interesting

that would be pretty clever

[vestal arch]

that seems logical

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/peppino-tv-hud-idle-pizza-tower-gif-26432283

||Not looking good Crawdaunt bros||

[spice timber]

this can still coexist though

[spare hare]

ok i have a name ||if it's a fruit gulpin||

||pulpin||

[vestal arch]

genius

[surreal vault]

||It's perfect||

[harsh lion]

Unironically the most likely outcome now

[surreal vault]

||Crawdaunt evo only existed in Koffing leak||

[harsh lion]

||What would koffings name be? Appling?? Watermeloning? Meling and Weelon?? Get out!!!||

[vestal arch]

||koffermelon's the only idea I got and it's a terrible name||

[spare hare]

tbh i like it

this implies the evo would be

||weezermelon||

[harsh lion]

||Oh well as long as the fruit mon is grass water ill be satisfied||

[spice timber]

i mean the khu thing does ||seem to point towards crawdaunt in some way, so i don't think it's out of the picture||

[spare hare]

i wonder if the last line from this old ass leak will actually come to mean something

bc ||there's certainly not a new system coming this year||

[arctic bobcat]

||they might as well just be releasing a pro model||

||instead of a next gen system, just a barely two generations ago system||

[spare hare]

what an interesting poll, bc i definitely would have just thought it was ||off the coast of paldea otherwise||

https://tenor.com/view/origin-palkia-gif-25664771

@tropic pollen

[surreal vault]

||Hmmm||

||I mean consider the weird terrain where Kalos should be||

[rough kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/kalos-pill-kalos-firing-the-kalos-pill-pokemon-pill-gif-26981299

what is this gif

[surreal vault]

||The French dimension||

[tropic pollen]

Noooo dont do this to me

[harsh lion]

new imo

[velvet bobcat]

||since "blueberry" is in English unlike "uva" and "naranja", I'd say Unova||

||assuming unova has ocean territories||

[marble sand]

they know what they're doing 🥲

[runic prawn]

bro

[tropic pollen]

this is a really funny gif btw

saving it for later

[runic prawn]

||I was going to joke it would be kanto but that would only fit the first option and that's the most safe choice so huh lol||

[spare hare]

actual leak this time

||https://twitter.com/AlexCardinal21/status/1688398219766571008 ||

Alex Cardinal (@AlexCardinal21)

On the Thai Japanese Nintendo Newsletter @soulsilverart @Light_88_ @pory_leeks @EybpUez @palkiaorigin

Twitter · Aug 7, 2023, 3:54 AM

||now who could have seen a mewtwo raid coming ||

[rough kelp]

is it ||tera psychic, I can't tell||

oh ||nvm I can make out the eye now||

so when's that ||mew distribution||

[surreal vault]

This one's gonna be horrific to do

[shell sand]

i love yall ignoring the || tcg GameBoy game ||

[arctic bobcat]

||it doesn't come with the promotional card so what's the point smh||

[rose junco]

||I mean that was already confirmed to be coming to NSO anyway lol||

[formal nimbus]

yes but we didn't know when lol

[spare hare]

||can't wait to see all the ppl upset when nso comes up during the presents and it's showing the release date of the tcg game and not rby/gsc/rse ||

||indigo disk about to have a billion unova references before the gen 5 games||

[silver shore]

||now what the heck does this mean?||
||https://i.redd.it/rnq1elgsjogb1.jpg||

[harsh lion]

||Gmax sandaconda||

[tropic pollen]

||Thats a medical/alchemy symbol||

[harsh lion]

||Solgaleo||

[rough kelp]

||I feel like this is in reference to gen 2(?)||

[tropic pollen]

It all comes together…

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-thinking-eat-gif-15896115

[dry shell]

||I do hope at some point will get red blue and yellow on GB||

[tropic pollen]

sun and moon speculation my god

[rough kelp]

"it all comes together" mfs when they adds one (ONE, maybe 2) trainers from each region into battle tree pool and calls it a day

[spice timber]

i am so glad that i wasn't socially active during sumo speculation

though i kinda wish that were the case for swsh speculation too

[rough kelp]

my fav thing about sumo leak era is marshadow

it didn't have image back then

so people just draw what they think fits "marshadow"

[tropic pollen]

people thought it was the third legend

[spice timber]

meteodyna moment

same thing happened to eternatus during swsh

[rough kelp]

it's funnier because every drawing of its is like some edgy beast, with scorpion tails and stuffs

turns out to be lil dude

[spice timber]

i feel like unless a leaked mon's name is something like Candiflas or Huggnstuff, people are gonna speculate it to be some brooding edgelord type design like darkrai or some big tough animal like luxray

[spice timber]

meteodyna was eternatus' japanese name iirc, and when both of those names were floating around people thought they were two different mons

a lot of speculation fanart had meteodyna as a wolf

[rough kelp]

oh man people would 100% draw a trex if calyrex only had a name reveal

[harsh lion]

marshadow the dolphin legendary

and of course. drampa the dunsparce line middle stage

[rough kelp]

the "dolphin" part of the leak is so wack to me

[spice timber]

tf

dolphin?

[spare hare]

meteodyna isn't eternatus's japanese name actually

[rough kelp]

you looked at fini and said "yup that's a dolphin"

[spare hare]

iirc it just came from a leak that ppl talked about

[rough kelp]

there was a chinese leak that correctly leaked starter design

[spare hare]

it sounds like it could be the jp name but it's not

[spice timber]

ooooh, that makes it even dumber

[rough kelp]

they mentioned a dolphin mon and a snowman mon

which turns out to be fini and crabominable

[spare hare]

finizen was scrapped gen 8 content

🧠

[harsh lion]

thats why it has that bst

it was meant to be marshadow....

[spice timber]

woulda fit right in with dracovish and g-darm

[harsh lion]

60 power stab priority ...
just like technician shadow sneak ...

[tropic pollen]

so what do we think ||will be good against the Mewtwo raid||

||im expecting pschic/fighting/ghost coverage at least||

[rough kelp]

||mew||

[spice timber]

i have to assume that if ||a mew distribution happens and they expect people to use it on the raid, then mewtwo won't have dark/ghost moves||

because ||otherwise mew is just gonna pop like a balloon before it can do anything significant||

[tropic pollen]

o yea true

[rough kelp]

||indomitable mew spirit when mewtwo whips out the moongeist beam||

[tropic pollen]

||y'all think we'll get more raids like these or is it just for Mewtwo ||

[spare hare]

it'd be a waste not to

[velvet bobcat]

||they would totally waste it only on mewtwo, yeah||

[dry shell]

||Do you think the TCG game is going to affect this month NSO game||

[velvet bobcat]

||no, but very likely fishing season||

[spare hare]

They've released multiple games ||across the nso platforms in one month before||

Including across different dates

[spare hare]

another actual leak

||if you actually want to use this mew for the mewtwo raid, you're gonna have to put in a ton of work lol||

[tropic pollen]

||Looks like dog shit||

||Random Tera type?? Level 5?||

[marble sand]

||I like a mythical that I actually gotta train lol. Especially since SV makes it so easy to do so||

||not fun when they give you a max level legendary out the ass. Make me work for it dammit!||

[tropic pollen]

Thats fair

[velvet bobcat]

||this is good actually but man I hope the random tera type doesn't screw this up||

[tropic pollen]

||tfw you get the tera fighting/poison mew||

[velvet bobcat]

||I wish there were more distributions that forced us to work on the pokemon||

||Make it actually feel special||

||something you could actually use in a playthrough||

[tropic pollen]

||i hope the raid lasts for a while then since we'll be training this one up||

[velvet bobcat]

||I will always bring pokemon bank celebi into this: That is, in my eyes, the perfect example of the points above. It even knows a unique move that was made to help beginners. too bad it was a distribution for the easiest game in the series lol||

I love low level pokemon graaahhhh

[surreal vault]

Counterpoint:
||Free Mew||

||Can't have enough of Mew||

[vestal arch]

chat

||so uh dipplin's the food mon right||

[velvet bobcat]

Wow those three new games were amazing

[surreal vault]

||It should be???||

[harsh lion]

||Its over crawdauntbros||

[velvet bobcat]

||they got the Drayton thing right but the whezzing thing wrong||

||pyoro victory||

[soft lava]

|| no wheezermellon ||

[surreal vault]

||Pyoro remains credible||

[velvet bobcat]

I will purchase WarioWare Get It! Together just to celebrate this occasion

the world is safe from ||crab||

possibly will be threatened by duradolun evo

[spice timber]

no ||citrus gulpin||

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-20550641

[carmine olive]

Ok I'm not going to read this chat at all but this is because some people wanted to know what I was ranting about in the main chat.

I've seen an image of ||a watermelon Weezing|| twice and I want it to be fake

[tropic pollen]

i wonder what ||🟪 -> 🟩 ||meant

[carmine olive]

And the reveal of Dripplin is making me more nervous that it's real

I don't know its name, I didn't see its type, the only thing that processed in my brain ||is that it was a Weezing with a watermelon texture and some rubber band around the two heads.||

[spare hare]

apparently it is fake yes

[velvet bobcat]

sadly

Watermelon whezzing sounds funny

[spare hare]

maybe we still haven't seen it?

[velvet bobcat]

I can not spell whezzing correctly

[spare hare]

are the raikou and cobalion supposed ot be wave 1 or wave 2

[velvet bobcat]

Maybe after the two waves?

Back in area 0, after you finish both dlcs

[carmine olive]

Oh thank god

Ok time to peace I feel better knowing that it's fake.

[velvet bobcat]

Ok so a certain user just mentioned

In the pokemon thread

Something that brings the watermelon leaker

Once again closer to being real