Leaks for Pokémon

[manic bane]

||i love ourple 😭 ||

[rose junco]

||I still prefer Scarlet's though||

[modern sapphire]

because he was 20 by oras and oras is chronologically before dppt

[arctic bobcat]

actually idk if he's 25 but he's definitely at least older
kinda just assumed 25 because of the anniversary but h

[manic bane]

the version differences in this gen are pretty drastic compared to some other ones

[rose junco]

true, still want more though

but glad they're actually trying to differentiate them

[manic bane]

they'll probably make them even more drastic with the next one

[arctic bobcat]

ok shiiitt

[manic bane]

one day the 2 versions will have like completely different plots i bet

[arctic bobcat]

💀

dude's mfing 30

[rose junco]

I hope

I want to see what they could do with that sort of thing

[modern sapphire]

okay so red's maximum age that is possible without speculation in spe is 22

since a maximum of two years passed between hgss/oras and dppt

and we don't know the timeskips between dppt and any of the later arcs

[manic bane]

same

[modern sapphire]

honestly i'm not sure how much i would like that

on one side it'd make buying the two versions much more worth it

[rough kelp]

oh I just realized this is spoiler chat lmao. I thought this was normal pokemon chat

the lack of grey bars is distracting

[modern sapphire]

on the other it would be a lot more expensive to get the full experience

since the version differences wouldn't be basically just a few tradeable pokemon and maybe a few character/plot differences

[manic bane]

its either they make the 2 different versions substantial enough to warrant there being two in the first place or just make one imo

[arctic bobcat]

they'd probably want to emphasize social features in some way if they do significantly different content for different versions

well, there is the whole multiplayer thing they have i guess now

[spice timber]

i like how the version exclusive content is only prevalent in one place (||paradoxes||)

[manic bane]

its something i guess

[spice timber]

so instead of having random mons scattered throughout the game that are version exclusive for no reason, you have ||an entire group of really interesting mons all gathered in one place||

kinda makes it feel more notable?

[manic bane]

yeah

[spare hare]

Apparently ||you can save next to a shiny and reload and it won't disappear||

[spice timber]

oh btw, found a teambuilder

https://www.makio.it/pokemon/sv/team-builder

amazingly this team turned out well

[spice timber]

oh yeah, like in arceus

i like that, makes shiny hunting a bit less stressful

[manic bane]

||i LOVE toadscool man||

||literally just a guy||

[rose junco]

||Fletchling|| Violet Pokedex entry ||(Squawkability mention, nice)||

[manic bane]

||fletchling lore ||

[spice timber]

||🦜 gang wars||

[spare hare]

||need to see the past paradox entries in violet||

[rose junco]

||Tarountula|| Violet entry

[rose junco]

||might take a day or two unfortunately (even for the future ones)||

[spice timber]

funny how ||this is the first spider mon we've gotten who actually uses physical silk threads in its design||

[spice timber]

god yeah

i wanna see how ||they describe sandy shocks||

[rose junco]

||this is also purple in Violet||

[spare hare]

||you can just buy mints for 20k now||

[manic bane]

||i like the light purple here||

[rose junco]

||could you not buy them before||

||also I think you find them randomly too||

[spare hare]

||only in pla, and it was a random assortment||

[rose junco]

oh weird

[spare hare]

||otherwise they were locked behind BP, and yeah they could also be random pickups in swsh dlc||

||I've heard there's no battle tower or bp in this game||

[rose junco]

||imagine locking stuff behind BP||

[spare hare]

||which is presumably why you can just buy mints now||

[rose junco]

||I like Battle Tower but BP mostly sucks||

||wish this game had a battle facility||

also ||does Jigglypuff have fur or am I seeing things||

[spare hare]

||i see it||

[rose junco]

new entry for ||Rookidee|| from Violet
||nothing too interesting, but neat||

[spare hare]

||it did also have fur in the detective pikachu movie lol||

[rose junco]

yeah lol

||didn't expect them to give it to them in this game though||

and ||Shroodle|| Violet entry

[rose junco]

||wtf you mean this thing moves around and stuff||

also ||do Pokemon not close their eyes when asleep in this game||

[rough kelp]

||I don't think they do that in swsh right||

[rose junco]

||huh do they not, I remember them doing it in the 3DS games||

||wait no they did||

||so why not in this game?||

[rough kelp]

wack

[spice timber]

ayo (new mon) ||gholdengo|| actually good?

[rough kelp]

I love it and at the same time hate that ||it reminds me of lucioverwatch||

[spice timber]

||it's such a departure from gimmighoul, i'm still unsure about it lmao||

[spare hare]

this mon is so fucking funny, wanna see some animations for it

[spice timber]

i'm sure ||i'll end up liking it though||

[spare hare]

||especially since it's supposed to have a golden skateboard or some shit||

[spice timber]

YEAH

||WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT IT SOUNDS KICKASS||

[rough kelp]

||hope it actually smacks thing with the skateboard||

||I also noticed that the skateboard is in-progress of being made, from the coins||

||so maybe it generates the skateboard out of thin air||

there we go

[spice timber]

according to ||its dex entry, its entire body is made of coins, so it probably can shift the coins into stuff||

[rough kelp]

||LITERALLY SILVER SURFER||

[spice timber]

also according to ||its dex entry, it's super friendly, so i'm excited to see it ingame||

[rough kelp]

||character development from hypnotizing people into getting it money?||

[rose junco]

||Nacli|| Violet entry

[rough kelp]

||oh it is just a salt generator||

||literally a pokemon fan ||

[rose junco]

||finally a salt shaker||

[spare hare]

Lol pokemon Violet is the #1 best seller on the US eshop rn

Scarlet is #2 and the double pack is #4

[spice timber]

good taste

[spare hare]

The pokemon hype is real

[spice timber]

i feel like the leaks kind of sold the game for people

as the marketing went on the game began looking cooler and cooler

[spare hare]

Yeah I was wondering how much that factored in

[spice timber]

and now that we actually know what's in it it's overloading

like when pla had a big spike in sales after it leaked

[spare hare]

Pla pre-orders rose a ton after leaks lol

[rough kelp]

what game is in 3rd

[spare hare]

Call of juarez gunslinger

[rough kelp]

my fav pokemon game

[rose junco]

I'm probably not gonna buy it at release, might buy it after DLC

[silver shore]

my sibling preordered both games and bc technically my switch is their home console so im able to play violet and scarlet

i plan on playing violet as my regular run and I think im gonna nuzlocke scarlet

[rose junco]

||Quaxwell|| Violet entry

(story) ||this robot lizard can eat lol||

[spice timber]

spoilers ||does this mean all the future paradoxes are partly organic||

[rose junco]

||probably, I'd assume they can eat too because of picnics lol||

[rose junco]

||small Saladit||

[rose junco]

also shiny ||Klawf|| looking good

||I really like the blue||

[rose junco]

||okay another person had elite 4 music play normally, they were on supposedly on console (using cartridge), needs more testing to see if the bugged music was some sort of emulator bug (however supposedly two of the people who got it were on console, do not know for sure though of course) or if it happens randomly||
||however if it is an emulator bug, it is a very odd one, but either way I wonder why it happens||

[candid nebula]

||it's so tiny 😭||

[velvet bobcat]

Are the elite four, gym leaders and starfall streets rematchable?

(I don't think this counts has a spoiler)

I've been told that the elite four wasn't, which is quite weird

Dunno about the starfalls

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||rematching Gym Leaders is part of the postgame (but idk if it is just once or not), idk if you can rematch the others for sure though||

[velvet bobcat]

I do hope they're all rematchable, especially the Starfall Streets considering how unique they are

||unless there's something in the post game that replaces the starfall streets with some mechanically identical||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||someone was playing postgame earlier but I didn't pay attention to it, most I know is about the gym leader rematches, though the fact I haven't heard much about other stuff makes me think there may not be much?||

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DoKTKdL9Dtea3qiJ2Q3JffTEco61R0p anyway here are the sprites for all Pokemon (the ones on party menu and for uncaught Pokemon in the Pokedex)

[rose junco]

(postgame) just to show

okay Ghost Terra ||Sinistea|| looks kinda cool

||feels like the ghost is coming out of the cup almost lol||

[tropic pollen]

Ok i peeked at centro and saw some wild shit

Late Story ||Only being able to challenge the E4 and champion once sounds really bad IMO||
Gameplay ||There’s both Adamant Orb and Adamant Globe. (Etc for the other two) One changes form, the other gives the 1.2x boost we’re used to…….. so they actually nerfed Giratina-O, for whatever reason. Because being locked to an item wasn’t enough i guess.

On the plus side it seems everything is bought with money now and BP doesn’t exist woohoo!!!!! Great change tbh||

[surreal vault]

Can you not just
||Give Giratina the orb after transforming it||

||Also giving origin formes an item slot is huge||

[tropic pollen]

||No thats the thing, they’re held items||

[surreal vault]

.

https://tenor.com/view/bobthetomato-gif-8017726

[tropic pollen]

||Its really dumb||

[surreal vault]

||Damn I'm really sad now||

[tropic pollen]

@surreal vault honestly ||this game seems like a blend of “wow this is really cool” and “wtf why”||

idk why i both pinged you and replied to you

[hot zenith]

Pinged, replied, and pinged in the reply

[surreal vault]

[serene dagger]

||lol why werent the globes key items||

[tropic pollen]

ikr

[lunar bridge]

is sableye in?

[surreal vault]

Yes

It was shown in the ghimmieghoul promotional footage

[ivory prawn]

Honestly my favorite part of its design

||His face just screams “Japanese noises”||

What the FUCK

[split swan]

Mon spoilers ||shame Skeledirge discontinues the fire starter zodiac theme||

[ivory prawn]

I NEED IT

[spice timber]

wait this is a buff to ||giratina-o||

||it can hold an item now||

[spare hare]

No jedi is saying ||they separated the 1.2x boosts and the ability to change into origin forme into two separate items||

[candid nebula]

||I bet people will still try to make it make sense by saying that crocodiles and snakes are both reptiles or smth like that||

[spice timber]

ooooh

couldn't you ||use the transformation item and then give it the griseous orb||?

[surreal vault]

No

||It needs to hold the core to transform||

[spice timber]

OOOOOH

[spare hare]

Yeah.

[tropic pollen]

its sooooooo dumb

[spare hare]

I love how it just looks like there's nothing going on up there

[tropic pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NdETLNglhc

[spare hare]

[tropic pollen]

love htis things name btw

||Wattrell into Kilowattrell|| is so simple yet really good

[runic prawn]

it's funny

[runic prawn]

"I am at my limit"

[spare hare]

Various features

[surreal vault]

||Wait no E4 rematches? :spunch:||

[tropic pollen]

||what else can you get with LP ||

[spare hare]

Idk

[candid nebula]

||Megawatt when||

[spare hare]

apparently ||the way population bomb is coded rn makes it always hit 10 times.. the only issue is landing the 90 acc hit every time lol||

[tropic pollen]

HUH

[spare hare]

gotta use this shit fast before it gets patched

[surreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/deluxeluigi-gif-23228284

[spice timber]

ayo we got another angle of (mon spoilers) ||gholdengo||

[tropic pollen]

||https://twitter.com/Thunderblunder7/status/1591870556906962954?s=20&t=fonr2XkwhCurRv_SdukWZw ||

Agency Seven Star General blunder (@Thunderblunder7)

does leppa berry work on blessing revival ?

Twitter · Nov 13, 2022, 7:08 PM

[ivory prawn]

||I mean that only makes it 50% likely you'll even hit 5-6 times right||

[spare hare]

me missing the second hit of triple axel or whatever

:bebebewah:

[spice timber]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722521136578953217/1041439959611097259/Q5hGca67YwT-HOYS.mp4 ||

[ivory prawn]

Funniest shit I've ever seen

[surreal vault]

Bro these mfs made a huge explosion in PLA, what happened here

[spare hare]

:fartnoise:

[hot zenith]

|| https://twitter.com/AustinJohnPlays/status/1591893422503505920 || Possible version exclusives list

Austin John Plays (@AustinJohnPlays)

@CentroLeaks This person copied my video which has 2 errors (corrected on video) Here is the fixed list with only officially revealed pokemon

Twitter · Nov 13, 2022, 8:39 PM

[rose junco]

||lol if this is true then this is fucked up||

||some Paradox Pokemon are separated from their normal counterparts, and Misdreavus is exclusive but not Murkrow? what fucked up world are we living in||

[hot zenith]

Yeah I know I was confused too about ||Murkrow||

||The thing is, though, Tyranitar and Salamence were already confirmed as version exclusives for Scarlet and Violet respectively. It's on Serebii and everything||

[serene dagger]

checks out

[hot zenith]

||So yeah, have fun with paradox forms that are opposite of the base form's game!||

[serene dagger]

i see nothing wrong with it tbh

[rose junco]

||oh was it? lol it would make sense if their Paradox forms didn't exist||

||and if Roaring Moon wasn't equivalent to Iron Valiant||

||because it's like then why is Salamence exclusive but not the Ralts line||

[tropic pollen]

where did they get that art from

[hot zenith]

I don't know actually

I'm assuming you're referring to the ||Donphan||?

[tropic pollen]

ya

oh wait i get it now

||they're redrawn versions of the sketches we see in the trailer||

[hot zenith]

Ah

|| https://twitter.com/D1ab0licaI/status/1591771824983248896 || important

Elyk (@D1ab0licaI)

@PorcupineMeth @CentroLeaks @blacephal0n @CentroLeaksALT Sky battles be damned, my boy can WALK!

Likes

230

Twitter · Nov 13, 2022, 12:35 PM

[rose junco]

also ||supposedly Ability Patch can change a Pokemon with a Hidden Ability to have its normal ability now? not confirmed for sure yet though||

[surreal vault]

Good thing they axed transfer moves then

||Cause now No guard + Fissure machamp still can't be legal LOL||

[vestal arch]

||i mean the battle ready symbol existed for where it matters||

[hot zenith]

||Pokemon Company doing everything in their power to ensure the combo is never legal||

[rose junco]

I mean we still don't know if they did that for sure though

[surreal vault]

They did

||Via pokemon home datamines it seems||

[rose junco]

nope, supposedly Centro said it and there is no confirmation

[tropic pollen]

i got the info from smogon

[rose junco]

a lot of people there said it wasn't confirmed

right now it's just a rumor

[runic prawn]

game is finally good

nature is healing

[runic prawn]

LOL

[rough kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

I failed the 50/50

me when I search metal gear solid and thus outed myself as a fake metal gear fan

[rose junco]

(technically elite 4, but I probably don't need to tag) ||lol I just realized the rips of the elite 4 theme don't have the 'intro' that plays right before the fight starts which means it's probably separate, guess that has something to do with it sometimes being bugged||

(actual elite 4 spoilers) ||the actual song is supposed to start playing when the 'VS' symbol pops up, the 'intro' plays beforehand||

[rough kelp]

^ same spoiler as above ||who gave that kid a copperajah||

[rose junco]

||in at least some of the bugged footage I have seen, the VS symbol never seems to pop up, I wonder why? probably related to the cause of the actual song not starting and the intro playing for the whole fight instead ||

[hot zenith]

Forget that! ||Who let that kid be a member of the Elite Four?!||

[rough kelp]

actually yeah that's true

||acerola is atleast 13 because that's the required age for trial captain||

[ivory prawn]

||Huh do they ever mention a minimum age requirement for that||

[tropic pollen]

||Yeah Alolan trial captains can be between 13-20. Once they reach 20 they have to step down.||

[rose junco]

||idk if the minimum is ever mentioned, I just know 20 is the maximum||

[surreal vault]

||20 seems a bit...low?||

[rose junco]

||Mallow mentions it in Pokemon Moon iirc||

[rough kelp]

||it's either 13-19 or 13-20, but yeah they have to retire after that||

[vague storm]

||Everyone knows once you hit 20+ you're past your peak ||

[rose junco]

anyway, ||I find it funny how sometimes a Pokemon's face is barely visible if at all lmao||

||Chancey looks faceless||

[spice timber]

holy shit, ||tatsugiri's shinies reference different types of sushi||

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722521136578953217/1041488227762184222/IMG_1024.jpg ||

[lunar bridge]

(new mon)

[spare hare]

EVEN THE SHINIES?

[spice timber]

YEAH THOSE ARE THE SHINIES

[spare hare]

||ALSO HAVING 3 UNIQUE SHINIES FOR EACH FORM INSTEAD OF JUST GOING LIKE THE MINIOR ROUTE, NICE||

this is big

|| 🍣 ||

[spice timber]

||god now i'm hungry for sushi||

[marble sand]

model changes ||https://fxtwitter.com/trzef/status/1591852857128615936?s=46&t=PK7GjpRGKMtKS9AcdbHzdA||

that's a glow up ngl

||charizard looks GOOD||

[spare hare]

||i've been pleased with the models in this game, cool to see this||

[rough kelp]

||I wish the flame can be off on skeledirge||

||I like skeledirge but from certain angle the flames look like those clown hair||

[lunar bridge]

(already confirmed pokemon) my beloveds 💖 💚 💙

[spice timber]

oh yeah i visibly pogged when i was watching a stream of the game and one of the first ||mons they saw during the tutorial segment was a hoppip||

[lunar bridge]

hoppip is such a fun pokemon to use

at least since gen 6

bullet seed, acrobatics, powders, u-turn

so many fun toys to play with

[tropic pollen]

||HIS FLAMES… THEY’RE BACK!!!!||

it honestly feels like ||ScarVio directly addresses a lot of prior complaints for the 3D era||

[rough kelp]

late game story big spoiler ||holy shit dark legendaries theme goes monkey||

I love it

[marble sand]

||i hope they don't go away when he's idle or otherwise not in combat because they're integral to his design||

[tropic pollen]

I heard even ||Gardevoir|| got new animations?/pose?

[marble sand]

also YEAH - ||fixed eelektross and flying Pokemon is so good||

[spice timber]

there were new animations literally everywhere

[rough kelp]

^still same spoiler ||omg someone need to mix this theme with miracle matter it sounds so good||

[lunar bridge]

||were those floating animations really worth a non-engaging battle style you only do like three times||

[marble sand]

lmao real

[spice timber]

lategame spoiler ||they give massive lake trio theme vibes, i love it||

[surreal vault]

So they brought back egg move transfers but they improved it this time (new pokemon names listed here)

[spice timber]

ooh wow

||what's the prerequisite||?

[surreal vault]

||I think it's you have to be in a picnic?||

OKAY HUGE DEVELOPMENT

Mechanic

||HE GOT RAPID SPIN ON HIS QUAQ FROM A CYCLIZAR||

[spice timber]

NICE?

[rough kelp]

||finally no more poopoo egg move chain||

[tropic pollen]

Waitå

||Im confused did they make egg groups irrelevant or can there just be a third Pokemon present with the desired move that doesn’t have to be in a compatible egg group||

[tropic pollen]

Also ||what does mirror herb do for breeding||

[surreal vault]

It's not about breeding, it's about transferring egg moves from one pokemon to another

This was a thing in gen 8 but it was somewhat limited

This is much more relaxed with its restrictions ||especially since wild Terrastralized pokemon can have egg moves||

[spare hare]

oh dang that's nice

the continuously improved qol

[spice timber]

oh wait a sec, where was this said?

[tropic pollen]

Ahhh, i see

Good change

[surreal vault]

Theorymon was testing it ingame

Because of one of Khu's riddles iirc ||hinted at a new item related to breeding...even though this isn't breeding per say||

[rose junco]

||more about the bug, someone playing on console had elite 4 music play fine the first time but lost to the second elite 4 member and when they retried doing the elite 4 the bug happened, so yeah for sure has nothing to do with emulator||

[rough kelp]

could be the rom

||worst case scenario it's the game ||

[rose junco]

||seems like the game||

||but we'll see for sure when someone gets to it on Violet||

||really the issue is why is the VS symbol in the fight intro being skipped?||

[surreal vault]

||https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-leaks-thread-data-mechanics.3709515/page-286#post-9395147 || Smogon post on egg moves

[rose junco]

||oh someone's about to go there so we'll see in a minute (they are playing Violet 1.0.1 on Switch and supposedly they may also be playing on actual cartridge)||

[spring vector]

Do we know postgame yet?

[shell sand]

they really said [We will make SwSh look like unpolished trash]

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||You get to refight all the gym leaders (as well as fight/catch the legendaries as always), I have no idea if there is anything else though||

[ivory prawn]

||ok but are they on in battle or just all the time||

||I will call this an L if they're just always on||

[marble sand]

||i honestly disagree - I think typhlosion looks very goofy when they're not on lol||

[rose junco]

||the flames? considering Hisuian Typhlosion I would assume just in battle||

[ivory prawn]

||Oh does Hisuian Typhlosion turn them off in PLA
Nice||

[ivory prawn]

||If I had my way Typhlosion would exclusively walk on all fours with no flames outside battles||

[rough kelp]

||again on this topic, I hope skeledirge's fire isn't all the time||

||the fire looks like clown hair||

[ivory prawn]

THAT'S WHAT I SAID

🤝

[rose junco]

||I think it's on at least most of the time but idk most people pick the grass cat lol||

[surreal vault]

I wonder if I can actually play this game semi-blind that'd be pretty cool

Haven't really been diving into story spoilers or listening to music

[tropic pollen]

Same

[spice timber]

goin in blind is a really good idea

game's story is quite good

[rose junco]

okay yeah seems like it (hard to get best picture because stuff in the way but you get the point)

||idk how it is in picnics but otherwise it seems to always be on||

[rough kelp]

I honestly think it would look better if the ||fire are sprouted from the bird's side instead. you know, like wings||

[lunar bridge]

imagine giving over 10% of the pokedex awkward floating idle animations setting the game's presentation 10 years back just so you don't have to make them secondary idle animations for your unengaging battle style that you only do like three times in the whole game

[rose junco]

||Did Misdreavus always have her mouth open?||

[marble sand]

||don't think she did - used her in bdsp||

[rose junco]

||okay music is playing normally for them||

[marble sand]

nooo ||i wanna hear the fucked up elite four theme in-game 😭||

[rose junco]

||you mean whenever you play it or just in general because there's clips of it||

[candid steeple]

||Do we know how Cyclizar is connected to the version mascots in the lore yet?||

[spice timber]

major story spoilers ||koraidon and miraidon are cyclizar that come from the past/future respectively||

[rough kelp]

^reply to that ||wait so in a way, the evolutionary line (not pokemon evolution, but like irl evolution) would be koraidon -> cyclizar -> miraidon?||

[spice timber]

major spoilers ||yeah, pretty much, though it's odd how modern cyclizar would be so much weaker||

[rough kelp]

||I mean, bird and dinosaur||

[rose junco]

||Supposedly they got rid of out of battle effects for abilities? Hope that's not true lol||

[spice timber]

dex/pokemon/story spoilers ||roaring moon||'s violet dex entry

[marble sand]

||I mean when I play it sorry - I did see the clip you sent and it was funny lol||

[vestal arch]

||I KNEW IT||

[marble sand]

||this entry does not sound very sure of itself||

[spice timber]

story/dialogue spoilers ||no...||

[rough kelp]

||you can ok boomer him?||

best game

[spice timber]

mon spoilers

[surreal vault]

CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
(CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER)

[manic bane]

||dude even i've never heard of this word||

[manic bane]

||sounds like kirby lore lmao||

[rose junco]

https://pastebin.com/hi1u9qpX
https://pastebin.com/eTSmvqUR
https://pastebin.com/J22h4z8x
https://pastebin.com/xxdVRnfx
Pokemon names in other languages (unfortunately not the best list but it'll do)

[split swan]

(Mechanic spoilers) I wonder why we don't get any ||unique Teranizes||

it is so far the only ||Gen mechanic|| where nothing is unique to a pokemon species

||Megas were species locked, some pokemon had unique Z Moves and there were the Gigantamaxess||

[spare hare]

Probably bc they realized ||locking unique forms behind one time mechanics is shit||

[spice timber]

they (mon spoilers) ||went and dumped all the designs that would've gone into that mechanic into the paradoxes instead||

[rough kelp]

this is so funny lmao (bit offtopic)

[spice timber]

jeez

#pokemonsweep

[vestal arch]

ah yes there's atleast enough for a really bad novel in here then

[spare hare]

The main pokemon post is at 12.8k rn

[spice timber]

pokemon/area spoilers, spawn location for ||sandy shocks||

[hot zenith]

Oh good, maybe I can collect some of the royalties

[arctic bobcat]

went back to the old thread to try to count the messages there but i found i had the last message and it was a prediction

i guess i was correct here?

[rose junco]

||Iron Jugulis|| Violet entry

[spice timber]

oh hey so i was right

dex spoilers ||the future paradoxes all have generic copy/paste entries in violet while the past ones have tabloid-esque entries||

[rose junco]

||Iron Bundle|| Violet entry

[spice timber]

where are you getting these?

[rose junco]

||https://www.twitch.tv/angkorwauzhere || note they are really late game, expect spoilers

and tbh I haven't been paying attention most of the time so I've probably missed some stuff

[spice timber]

ah ty

[rose junco]

(really late game) ||the endgame of Violet wasn't as different as I was hoping for unfortunately, wish they did some more, like make Area Zero look different or something||

[spice timber]

endgame spoilers ||smol||

[rough kelp]

honestly, I find it really funny that ||the chinese version gonna localize all of this as "haha funny hologram illusion"||

[rose junco]

||tbh it sounds better||

[rough kelp]

suck for the players but eh

||I personally find that really stings, because it implies all the paradoxes mon are not real, and thus everything you do with them will be meaningless||

||I play pokemon to escape that kind of thought man 😔 ||

[rose junco]

||well I thought it was that they were created from imagination, not hologram/illusion||

||which sounds much better than the weird timeline stuff, don't we have enough timeline hell?||

[candid nebula]

||is the error color for the time machine room purple or is it red just like in scarlet? 😭||

[rose junco]

(very late game spoilers) ||purple||

[candid nebula]

||thank the stars, at least that changed color||

[rose junco]

||lol Violet is just like 'what if it was purple' the game||

[rough kelp]

||honestly I prefer the purple, less painful on the eye when the background is not red||

||another scarlet L||

[rose junco]

||the violet is more painful to me tbh||

||mostly in some of the menus, it's a bit saturated||

[hot zenith]

||They're both pretty painful imo||

||I give both of them Ls||

[candid nebula]

Late game spoilers ||I just saw the elite four fights and I'm kinda disappointed their rooms didn't have any sort of cool animation that we've gotten since gen 5||

||not even decorations like in gen 4 :(||

[ivory prawn]

||What they look like ||

[marble sand]

here's a snippet and it also shows off the ||terrible music||
||https://www.twitch.tv/angkorwauzhere/clip/DoubtfulFitCroquetteImGlitch-l4UHpFXQGD41WK4U||

[ivory prawn]

||It doesn’t look any different between the leaders?||

||Also wow that’s literally worse than even DP E4 room||

[marble sand]

||i actually haven't seen the other leader rooms - i just assume they're different colors||

[ivory prawn]

||Maybe it’s just a really uncreative steal room?||

[spice timber]

how it works is (story spoilers) ||when you beat one of the e4 trainers, they call the next one into the same room||

||it's actually pretty funny, they have a little bit of banter when they swap out and the previous ones you beat stick around to spectate your fights||

[ivory prawn]

Wow that sounds dumb

||like a bunch of people just kinda evaluating u ig||

||Can we all agree Kalos has the best Pokemon League design||

[spice timber]

it's better ingame, though i guess (story) ||the whole e4/champion experience is less climatic than it usually is because it's not the actual climax of the game||

[hot zenith]

...what

[spice timber]

shoutout to (champion spoilers) ||greeta having god tier shittalk during her battle||

[ivory prawn]

||That’s dumb though, I’ve always said the box legendary event is more like the finale of a traditional game than the elite four has ever been since like Gen III or IV||

||If they can make the legendaries not lame af they can make the e4 not lame af even when its mot at the end of the game smh||

[rose junco]

(very late game) ||uh whoever said they changed the plot in Chinese version lied||

||the 'Time Machine' is still an important plot point||

[ivory prawn]

||Lmao Khu L?||

[rose junco]

||no it was someone on Twitter iirc||

[ivory prawn]

||Didn’t they assume based on Khu saying the paradoxes weren’t real||

[rose junco]

(very late game) ||just to show, the bottom line is 时光机关闭 which means basically means 'close/disable the time machine'||

[rose junco]

||probably, though I mean the Paradoxes are confusing (but they're probably supposed to be I guess)||

[candid nebula]

TRUE

||the whole aesthetic of the place was just 😩👌||

[ivory prawn]

||Like lowkey nothing even comes close except Gen V||

||But I don’t like the Gen V one b/c of how brown it is on the outside||

||With an ugly green roof||

||Gen V don’t have the worst colors challenge (Failed 69 times)||

[candid nebula]

||wyndom stadium is also good imo, I mean it's pink so I'm obligated to like it||

[ivory prawn]

Wyndon does look really cool outside for just. Being a football stadium

ORAS League I feel like had some great parts

But also kind of

Like

Clashes with itself constantly imo

[candid nebula]

I liked the seasons thing oras did with its league

[rose junco]

(very late game) ||yep plot seems to be the same||
||它能传送精灵球, 捕捉不同时间线的宝可梦, 并把它们呼唤到现代来。(basically "It can teleport Pokéballs, capture Pokémon from different timelines, and call them to modern times.")||

[ivory prawn]

Yea the problem is that like

The original RSE League was meant to be generic high tech looking building

And they kept that in ORAS with the actual rooms

While instead the area between each high tech room is a fucking classical japanese bridge and house

And then the actual battle background despite being in the high tech room design

Is set on the bridge? But with fog everywhere?

[candid nebula]

Yea, I get what you mean

[ivory prawn]

Like going into the beautiful japanese building and being met with this shit just makes me not like ORAS league

I mean I guess the leagues have always kinda had that in general

Or maybe just sinnoh’s does actually

It being like a church outside but all high tech inside

[marble sand]

The girl on the chair in this scene is freaky lol

[ivory prawn]

But like that one disparity is way easier to swallow than oras constantly switching between high tech room and traditional looking building between each fight

while already inside a building lol

Wait actually maybe you aren’t inside a building

I guess you’re probably actually exiting out the back of this building to the courtyard which is just a giant bridge to the next building

Where Sydney is

And somehow the sky is all dark with bullshit magitech or something

But yea I don’t like ORAS league for the constant switching between Japanese traditional building exteriors and high tech generic interiors

Actually maybe the real reason I don’t like this look is bc I’m super nostalgic for those stairs rooms in the original and the high tech design of the walls lol

They didn’t even recreate this design for the interior rooms

Why

Why even keep the high tech looking interior rooms

If you’re not gonna keep this look

Also wow the sense of scale on the giant room in rse vs the tiny room in ORAS

Which doesn’t even make sense bc the buildings are gigantic from the outside

Like this is so cool 😭

I have been ranting about league designs for too long here I will end by saying alola’s rooms look ugly as sin

[tropic pollen]

HGSS league pretty good

Sinnoh league kinda ugly in the midsections ngl

unova league is great

Kalos too

[ivory prawn]

I think the rooms between e4 looked great in DPPt

The overworld league interior for BDSP sucks ass but the battle background is good for e4

AND THE COOLEST SHIT EVER FOR CYNTHIA

SO GLAD BDSP SAID NO TO DESIGN CHANGES AND JUST ‘WE WILL INTERPRET THIS AS BEAUTIFULLY AS POSSIBLE’

I remember really liking Lance’s room in HGSS

And being like ‘haha cubes’ in Will’s room

And like I think one of the rooms had a funny raised section

Oh shit the reception area of HGSS league fucking banged

[rose junco]

||you can see the person's Koraidon/Miraidon (depending on what version each player is playing) in multiplayer nice (not best picture but eh)||

[ivory prawn]

Well you kinda have to

[rose junco]

I mean I've seen some games do weird stuff with multiplayer lol

[rough kelp]

I hope it's buggy as hell and we see people clipping through mountain with their dons

also I don't think it's a spoiler

we did see that in many trailers

[marble sand]

finally someone with a realistic wish

[rose junco]

||YOOOO YOU CAN SEE/CATCH BOTH GAMES EXCLUSIVES IF YOUR PLAYING WITH SOMEONE IN THE OPPOSITE VERSION|| (probably not spoiler but just in case lol)

[ivory prawn]

||But can I snag their raidon 😭 ||

[rose junco]

(postgame) ||uh do you mean like in postgame? idk, that'd be funny though||

(postgame) ||actually now I wonder can you trade your first Koraidon/Miraidon even in postgame? ||

[rose junco]

||for example you can catch both Bagon and Larvitar||

[rough kelp]

||gamers, what's the "crowdest" pokemon team you can make rn? like, counting separated body (so no barbaracle)||

||maushold, falinks, dugtrio, wugtrio?||

[ivory prawn]

Six falinx?

[rough kelp]

without dupe

[ivory prawn]

||wait so is binacle also ok like wugtrio but not barbaracle||

[rough kelp]

not that I am against 6 falinks though, 36 kirby-like creatures to play with

||depends, do we think dugtrio and wugtrio are separable||

[ivory prawn]

||I mean Binacle is just two barnacles living on a rock right||

[rough kelp]

||are they connected inside the rock though?||

[ivory prawn]

||What even is Wugtrio again I forgor||

[rose junco]

||note you can't get both Charcadet evolutions of course because it's locked behind a sidequest||
||wonder if you can even get all the Paradox mons? I'd assume so||

[rough kelp]

||actually you know what, let's just count multiple head too, this is getting complicated||

[ivory prawn]

Bringing in the funny dodrio and hydreigon

Do hydreigon’s arms count as heads are they even sentient anymore

What about Magnezone’s side eyes do they count

Or has one taken over

[rose junco]

well they're called heads but they don't have a brain

[rough kelp]

I don't remember, I think magnezone are separated in PMD

but not sure about main game

the biggest question is does barbaracle's feet have eyes too

[ivory prawn]

I feel like there should be a pokemon with more than three heads that isn’t a group of separate creatures but I don’t know what

[rough kelp]

exeggutor

[ivory prawn]

Ah

Well exeggcute

[rough kelp]

dodrio

[ivory prawn]

Exeggutor only has three

[rough kelp]

exeggcute is, 6?

[ivory prawn]

Oh wait alolan though

Funny tail head

[tropic pollen]

Claydol

360 faces

[ivory prawn]

Claydol just has a bunch of eyes though they’re not really heads right

Barbaracle doesn’t have eyes on his feet this is so sad

[rose junco]

idk if this was brought up yet but (from https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-leaks-thread-data-mechanics.3709515/page-294)

lmao

[serene dagger]

||ok but does it learn recycle like Dedenne||

||also do pp ups work on it. i assume not bc 1 pp should be hard locked into that like 1 hp||

[rose junco]

||no to both of those||

||it's stuck at 1pp like Sketch||

[spare hare]

||tbh the fact that pawmot can still live after using it is pretty stupid lol||

Also I came here to post the sprites for all items

[marble sand]

||rabsca + pawmot with leppa berry = 4 revives in 1 battle||

[rose junco]

||so basically you potentially technically have 10 Pokemon? (4x2 + 2)||

[tropic pollen]

Hm.

That was supposed to be tagged

||legend plate???||

[rose junco]

||it doesn't having coding, it doesn't work||

||idk if they'll ever fully add it in||

[rough kelp]

the evil is not here

wait no

THE EVIL IS HERE

[rose junco]

||if they do fully add Legend Plate they'll probably make it act like Protean and Libero now do||

[tropic pollen]

Oh wait no here it is lol

[rough kelp]

||who let eviolite back||

these are new competitive items I assume?

[rose junco]

yeah

idk which ones are which though

[rough kelp]

i know loaded dice and ||mirror herb||

[tropic pollen]

||Booster power, ???, clear amulet, mirror herb, protecting glove, ???, loaded dice||

[rough kelp]

so anyways

[rose junco]

okay ||Booster Energy, Ability Shield, Clear Amulet, Mirror Herb, Punching Glove, Covert Cloak, Loaded Dice|| I think

[spare hare]

||first ? Is ability shield, second ? Is covert cloak||

[rough kelp]

||they brought eviolite back. in the game where you can change chansey's type||

pain

[spare hare]

||I heard it got nerfed to 1.3x||

[marble sand]

move ||i always wanted a fire drain move... 90 base power with a drain is wowzer||

[rough kelp]

GOOD

STAY THAT WAY. OR GET LOWER.

[marble sand]

meanwhile armarouge gets ||fire special close combat||

[rough kelp]

why is ceruledge so dang cool.

||also we kinda know about bitter blade, just not the bp||

||but still||

[tropic pollen]

||I made this move two years ago except it was base 80 and Dark type 😭 ||

[marble sand]

||lol my fan idea was always a fire type drain punch for flareon.... people didn't like it cuz it seemed useless when he already has flare blitz, but i love drain moves so i wanted it anyway!||

[tropic pollen]

||Here was my idea||

[marble sand]

||ooh i like that design a lot||

[tropic pollen]

||Ty!

"It lures the frightened in with a bright light amidst the darkness, then wraps its tendrils around them and drains their soul completely. The color of the resulting flare depends on how the soul tasted."||

[spare hare]

||pog flare||

[rough kelp]

frosmoth's greatest enemy

wrong reply but eh

[candid nebula]

Late-game area spoiler ||the more I listen to area zero's theme the more I'm in love, probably one of my most favorite overworld themes||

[lunar bridge]

excited for (new mon) ||scovillain||

||sunny day + chlorophyll + stab fire + stab solar beam||

[marble sand]

||funny they were mentioning "non stab signature moves" in the other channel
lokix gets axe kick which is 120 bp fighting - basically hi jump kick||

[ivory prawn]

Yea but now they make those rightfully OP

[marble sand]

real lol ||and there's tera||

[tropic pollen]

||and then they gave it to Medicham||

[marble sand]

||wait they did? lol I didn't check both docs only checked the 6-9 one||

[surreal vault]

Who literally doesn't need it because it got ||Close Combat||

And I think ||Lilligant-H|| got it to

[tropic pollen]

||Current theory im seeing right now is that Toedscruel line was a really late addition ||

||Mycelium Might is the last ability listed and the line comes after the legends in the internal dex||

ENGLISH TEXT FOR ||PARADOX SUICUNE||

[candid nebula]

||maybe this is what khu was talking about with the "coming from the people's imagination" thing||

Can't remember the exact wording

[tropic pollen]

||I think the intent was for "past paradoxes" and "future paradoxes" to be a mislead, as if the pokemon had actually come from the past/future, but this image + the DLC would then reveal that the pokemon in area zero actually come from imagination||

[rose junco]

||yeah it wouldn't feel right if the Paradoxes actually came from the past/future (especially the future ones)||

[silver shore]

||has anyone brought up the monstrosity that is palafin yet||

[restive silo]

||a million times||

[silver shore]

good

[restive silo]

||but not everyone hates it ||

[silver shore]

even better

[restive silo]

||it’s just a… HUH||

[spare hare]

||you can get apriballs through registering enough pokemon||

[shell sand]

battle pass

[marble sand]

||I actually love palafin lol it's so silly but so cool||

||a more unique interpretation of a dolphin poke than we expected||

[runic prawn]

BASED

[candid steeple]

How many new regional variants were introduced?

[marble sand]

||2 mons withregional variants, 2 convergent evos which are basically the same thing but with a different name from the mon it's based on, and a bunch of paradox mons for either version - I think like 6? per version somewhere around that - but they have different bsts from the mons they're based on and don't connect to other mons in their evolutionary line - like paradox jigglypuff doesn't evolve||

[marble sand]

a little spoiler toward some endgame mons

[spare hare]

||it's 7 paradoxes per version||

[marble sand]

thanks lol I forgot

does this include ||the ones not in the game yet||

Also unrelated question but ||we still don't have a fire fairy do we||

[spare hare]

no

[spare hare]

we don't

[marble sand]

so much potential... we better get one soon

[spare hare]

we have ||normal/ice, normal/bug, normal/rock, normal/steel, fire/fairy, ice/poison, ground/fairy, bug/dragon, and rock/ghost left now (only 9 )||

||and dragon/fairy has technically been used but is mega altaria exclusive so it's basically an unused type now imo||

[marble sand]

I would love ||poison ice omg||

also seeing the discussion in gaming galaxy is ||a little funny - I think some are gonna be let down by sprigatito||

[lunar bridge]

||an ancient virus in a drifting iceberg maybe?||

[marble sand]

||frozen super virus has always been my idea so yea!||

[silver shore]

||how have we not gotten fire/fairy yet!!! theres so much potential there||

[marble sand]

that's what I'm saying!!!

what ||cinderace|| could have been

[wraith gulch]

||fortnite battle pass but good||

[serene dagger]

NOOOO WASNT FIRE FAIRY LEAKED FOR THIS GAME ONCE... IN THE PAST...

[red garden]

Wasn't that confirmed as fake

[serene dagger]

yes

the games out

lol

well

the games "out" if you know what i mean

but i remember it being brought up and now im sad 1)i forgot it had been and 2) its not real

[manic bane]

Uh oh endgame story leaks

I’m done looking lol

I wanna see those blind

[serene dagger]

looking at all the pokemon changes in this game is so cool

[surreal vault]

(New pokemon)

[rough kelp]

?

[manic bane]

Per chance

[open cedar]

||funny rat family pokemon||, my beloved

[split swan]

Mon spoilers ||is there a mini group of legendaries||

[surreal vault]

||Yes||

[split swan]

Glad they are keeping that trend

||what do they look like||

[marble sand]

(all mons list) ||the 4 dark types in the bottom right of the grid||

[split swan]

I wonder what they are based on

Also I am confused mon and story spoilers ||what is going on with paradox mons, Pokémon from other timelines, creations of imagination, the future or ancestor incarnations of Pokémon brought to present day?||

[spice timber]

story spoilers ||right now it's somewhat unclear, but they seem to be mons from the past/future that are brought to present day||

[candid steeple]

CHONKER

[spice timber]

||moushold|| ingame

[surreal vault]

AAAAAAAAA

[rough kelp]

||AAAAA AAAAA and aaaaa||

||oh this is a family of 3, fixed||

[arctic bobcat]

||just realized one has pants and the other has a shirt||

[rough kelp]

||mickey and minnie||

[velvet bobcat]

||Miska and Muska||

[wraith gulch]

||mickey mouse||

||it's the mickey mouse clubhouse, come inside it's fun inside||

[surreal vault]

Look at this super detailed Mimikyu

[spare hare]

The pokemon models in this game are wild

[open cedar]

that's actually insane

[rough kelp]

I wish every mimikyu a very available in every regional dex

[restive silo]

Hey gamers have we seen ||where tynamo or other mons in the line spawn||

Wait why am I spoilering that lol

It’s confirmed

But like I’m sure the answer should be spoiled

I definitely want it on my team but I am hoping if it’s early enough,,

[spare hare]

Idk

Might want to wait on spawn location details

[restive silo]

I want it NOW !!

[spare hare]

I think serebii will probably have a lot of info up though

He always follows datamines so he can post info asap

[restive silo]

We all know mr serebii has datamined it all and it waiting

[spare hare]

Yeah lol

[restive silo]

Friday at 12:00AM

[spare hare]

Kaphotics and mattyoukhana will probably have good info on this too once the game is officially out

[restive silo]

Lfg

[rough kelp]

I love mr joe merrick serebii but navigating subspace maze is easier than his website

[spare hare]

Probably even sooner

[vestal arch]

(new mon spoiler/question) ||how does dunsparce evolve because the docs are a pain to use on mobile||

[rough kelp]

😔

[restive silo]

I guess I could perhaps find the answer as soon as Friday hits online LOL

[spare hare]

Bc it comes out like more than 12 hours before midnight in australia

[restive silo]

TRUE

Omg

I’m excited

[vestal arch]

the map section is still more useful then the entirety of bulbapedia atleast

[spare hare]

||level up while knowing hyper drill||

Iirc

[vestal arch]

thanks

[rough kelp]

true

holy shit bulbapedia's map for wild area is horrendous

you DO NOT NEED to split each sub-area into SEPARATED pages

[restive silo]

Common bulbapedia UI

[spare hare]

Was it ever clarified how ||tandemaus evolved? That's the only one I never saw a follow up on||

There's some other condition

[ivory prawn]

Wow actual good looking cloth instead of whatever the fuck star allies does!

[rough kelp]

I would like a future dex cut to cut pikachu and include mimikyu please.

that would be the golden ending

actually no don't cut pikachu, he's the world champion now. cut charizard

[vestal arch]

if we cut pikachu we lose a-raichu

[rough kelp]

so true

[split swan]

If gen 6-8 ||got paradox representatives|| who deserves the slot

[ivory prawn]

Florges

Actually it’d probably be floette lol

[surreal vault]

||https://fxtwitter.com/_kevolution_/status/1592286853906022400?s=20&t=WWc9s0xDK2Tzb25OcfNZbg || someone hatching a shiny sprigatito

[silver shore]

||im biased but paradox togedemaru||

||specifically violet bc robotic togedemaru would go hard but past also would b cool||

[split swan]

for me (mon mechanic spoilers but the stuff inside is just fan ideas)
||Future Corvidknight and Past Orbeetle for Gen 8, Future Tortanator and Past Lurantis for Gen 7, Past Aegislash and Future Avalon for Gen 6||

[rose junco]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTllOYi1sDHx2kWN-D4sJF45xLFfojtZaGfWbgGglRmuBc5z3Q7TlIfW7IfXAFBbaITvrHO17YLcEJT/pubhtml don't know if anyone's posted this here already, but all trainer teams

[ruby void]

||future trevenant be like||

[split swan]

ah

[open cedar]

that'd unironically be sick. I'd love that.

[open cedar]

kinda sucks the initial starters are shinylocked again, but I heard they're one of the very few pokemon that have the lock on them this time around, so that's pretty generous of them.

||Wish the colors on this little guy weren't as similar to the original, but I love the purple eyes.||

[open cedar]

A mimikyu variant/alternate form where Pikachu isn't native to the region so it instead dresses up as the regional pikaclone would be literally the best thing ever.

unovan mimikyu real

actually, wait. That's a good idea. I wanna draw that some day.

Thank you for the spitballing. I really wanna brainstorm this now.

[split swan]

Since it is unlikely the (mechanic and mon spoilers) ||The starters will get unique Teranizes since there are so far no unique or special Teranizes, I wonder if they will get anything special with sequel stuff like the Gen 7 and 8 ones||

[candid nebula]

||idk about the starters but I do hope the eventual third legendary has a unique terastallization||

[marble sand]

||we have a sneak peak of the third legend if you check pins||

[arctic bobcat]

||I can't tell what tf it is but it looks like a biblically accurate angel of that orb is it's entire body||

[spice timber]

i like how (lategame spoilers) ||the terastal legendary is so abstract compared to eternatus and necrozma (assuming that that egg thing is what its body actually is), i'm excited to see its full design||

[ruby void]

||Its design sorta reminds me of old european illustrations of demons||

[shell sand]

image?

[ruby void]

Check pins

[arctic bobcat]

#1028079151091027978 message

[silver shore]

King#4513 - #Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Leaks

big spoilers for something in the scarlet/violet books (likely end/postgame) ||finally got our supposed look at the 3rd legendary||

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Quoted by GrucYord#9062 • [217358748040036352] · Nov 11, 2022, 3:24 PM

[tropic pollen]

Hey did we talk about this || https://twitter.com/centroleaks/status/1592311999337467904?s=46&t=CMYx25_uXcL4cMzyo9P6yw||

[rough kelp]

||https://twitter.com/centroleaks/status/1592311999337467904 || ^ reposting so the tweet embed

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Trainer Battles really were an afterthought in this game, not a single trainer in the game uses items and no trainer ever switches their Pokémon.

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Twitter · Nov 15, 2022, 12:22 AM

[velvet bobcat]

||Bruh whatcha mean they don't switch?||

||Did they change the AI?||

[gilded barn]

||well thats kinda stupid||

[marble sand]

||switching is pretty rare for ai anyway, but items is a big one. having to work around when the ai is gonna heal was a big part of strategy in-game lol||

[spice timber]

||that's unfortunate, but fair||

||is it just trainer items or is it held items too||?

||oh, held items too||

||from what i saw the movesets/teras of the notable trainers are difficult on their own so there was definitely at least some thought put into them, but yeah it's still kinda lame||

on an unrelated note, (legendary spoilers) ||the perils are confirmed shiny locked, contrary to what we heard early on||

[ivory prawn]

❇️🔒

[marble sand]

2 people in the comments contradict this so I'm confused lol

[spice timber]

I feel like we can't really judge anything outside of like designs until we actually get the game

because it's a constant clash between pessimism and optimism online, and because like 0 people are playing the game legally we have no idea what the truth is

[candid nebula]

Terastal mechanic spoilers I guess ||I think I understand what the different colors of tera raid crystals mean, they are indicative of the tera type of the pokemon inside||

||except black crystals which are iirc 7 star raids?||

[marble sand]

I have a lot I wanna say that I don't have the time to type rn but I will say I think this game has a lot of love put in it while simultaneously being obviously rushed. I think the game will be fun and cool but I worry about the precedent that will be set by this sort of dev cycle idk

[spice timber]

that's the case with every pokemon game admittedly

they're always put under an unholy crunch period

it's awful, but idk if there's anything we can do about it unless the entire population of the world decides to stop buying the games

[marble sand]

for sure unfortunately like the release schedule has been fucky for a long time - I just feel like all of a sudden the system is starting to show its cracks. I think suddenly they're not able to pop out the same quality of game in the same amount of time because of the hardware upgrade and trying to accomodate for it - but that's just my speculation

[spice timber]

yeah, because of the increasingly higher standards of the hardware

[ivory prawn]

Gen VII when only Pokemon that looked good for its hardware

[marble sand]

yeah like all of a sudden they have to develop games for a home console and that adjustment came so fast that I have to imagine it wasn't easy and came with compromises

I assume lgpe was done by a separate team but I don't know for sure

visually it feels so much more polished imo

[ivory prawn]

LGPE looks so good 😭

[spice timber]

lgpe was also using the grid map system

so they didn't have to put nearly as much effort into putting together the world

[marble sand]

that makes sense tbh

definitely a more familiar thing to develop

[spare hare]

It's also a bit disappointing after how cool the bdsp teams for the important trainers were that ||none of the teams in this game have max evs, ivs, or good natures at all, even the important fights or rematches||

In fact you can tell ||they were scared to make some pokemon have good sets and deliberately gave them non stabs or moves working off their weaker attack||

[ivory prawn]

BDSP forever the funny gamers-only game

[spice timber]

bdsp when it's completely mediocre for the entire game and then pops off for no reason in the gym leader rematches

[tropic pollen]

honestly kinda feels like ilca was tasked to do a 1:1 remake of DP with a gun to their head

but then when it came to postgame they kinda let them go nuts

[spice timber]

iirc (story spoilers) ||the gym leader rematches are actually mandatory for the postgame to make roaring moon/iron valiant spawn, so i feel they were afraid of making them too difficult as to lock out the full dex||

yeah, that's what i get from it

"do not change the main game at all"

oh on an unrelated note, an interesting revelation regarding (mon) ||toedscool||

||toedscool and toedscruel's internal names are "hill magikarp" and "hill gyarados" respectively||

[spare hare]

||there might be hints of them being implemented late too, with their index numbers coming after even koraidon and miraidon, and mycelium might being the last ability as well||

Interesting to think about, ||I would have loved to see a land magikarp line though so I hope that comes back in dlc or something, or just later ||

[spice timber]

what if ||the gyarados would've been an earthworm type mon, and they changed it because it would've conflicted with orthworm||?

||earth eater is right before mycelium might in the abilities||

[velvet bobcat]

I feel like that the low difficulty will be one of this game's major complaints (again)

[spice timber]

difficulty's always come off to me as an overly basic complaint, because there isn't a single pokemon game that can't be trivialized with a simple strategy or plain brute force

[ivory prawn]

||
Imagine if they brought back concept Gyarados||

[surreal vault]

Ooh

[spice timber]

ooh yeah that would've been cool

[spice timber]

mon spoilers
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1hbDZrVfo||

||i love him||

[surreal vault]

The video is dead

[runic prawn]

F

[spice timber]

something interesting i saw, sv ||has the second most trainer battles in the series with 538, only being beaten out by b2w2 with 540||

||with dlc that'll probably be beaten||

[spice timber]

mon spoilers
||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799469861410439218/1042142411280875560/unknown.png ||

[restive silo]

YES

LMAO

I want to use it so bad

[spice timber]

easily one of the best new designs in the game

i love it so much

[runic prawn]

oh btw one thing I didn't see yet that I would like to know (answer me in spoilers and give no story spoilers if possible pls)

do the gyms levels scale in level, if so how, and if not, is there some "linear" path to the gyms

[spice timber]

no story spoilers, ||they do not scale, but i'm not sure how the pathing works||

i've heard that ||each area has a numbered difficulty||, but i'm unsure

[runic prawn]

hmmmmmm alright

||I am hoping there is some sort of linear path you naturally go to, but if not I can probably figure it out||

[hot zenith]

||...we're back to having mons with incomplete movesets again, aren't we?||

[surreal vault]

Mon spoilers

[tropic pollen]

amazing

[spice timber]

||i better see gigachad edits of hero palafin when the game comes out||

[restive silo]

If not then you must do it

[rose junco]

||do they mean items in general? we saw some trainers use some||

[arctic bobcat]

||maybe they meant held items ||

[rose junco]

||not sure about held items because document doesn't include them||

https://pastebin.com/0eYiYn6L also y'all want some internal Pokemon names lol

[rough kelp]

I mean like, beside || battle facilities and bdsp rematches for some reason, trainers with held items are rare af nowaday||

[rose junco]

https://pastebin.com/GSsKkrVD
https://pastebin.com/HDERD2TU
also exclusives lists, was ||Tauros|| on the other ones floating around? just to make sure

[rose junco]

||I mean quite a bit of Sun and Moon trainers had them iirc||

[hot zenith]

I... don't think so?

These are ||the two Paldea Tauros forms||, right?

||I can't tell which is which because they just have -2 and -3 after them||

[rose junco]

yeah ||fire and water I think||

[rose junco]

also okay ||they were talking about normal items, guessing it's controlled by something else||

[spice timber]

||is it really possible for an AAAAA girl and a BBBBB boy to be in a relationship||

[rose junco]

||lmao apparently that's for Roaring Moon​ and Iron Valiant​||

[spare hare]

||i've seen the elemental tauros listed as exclusives before but nice to have the full list||

||it's fire = scarlet and water = violet which is pretty appropriate||

[rose junco]

yeah

||Charcadet|| Violet entry

[rough kelp]

||eww fahrenheit||

[rose junco]

||well I'd assume it'd be Celsius in most versions lol||

[spice timber]

question

for people watching streams or playing the game themselves on an actual switch, how does the game run?

i ask because people in another server playing the rom on a modded switch are saying it runs super super terribly (like 5fps at worst terribly), but the way they're being so negative about it is making me want to gather more info

[candid steeple]

||Why can’t we get the Legendary that’s responsible for Terastralizing?||

[rose junco]

I haven't noticed it running that bad, but people are saying it isn't the best

[spice timber]

yeah it obviously doesn't look perfect, i guess i'm just a bit anxious from the lingual gymnastics the people there were using to describe it

[rose junco]

||here's how the Terra 'hat' works on Wugtrio lol||

not best picture but ||Wugtrio|| Violet entry

||Female Oinkologne|| Violet entry

[rose junco]

and ||Pawmot|| Violet entry

[hot zenith]

||Hands-on? Hands on what??||

[arctic bobcat]

||Hands-On, Hands-Off||

[rose junco]

(DLC) ||https://fxtwitter.com/PokeSuutamie/status/1592643937172619264 Paradox Suicune? 👀||

||and yes, this name doesn't belong to any Pokemon currently in the game if anyone was wondering||

[wraith gulch]

||wait there's gonna be dlc?||

[rose junco]

||probably, like Sword and Shield||

[spice timber]

dlc ||there's a few really really obvious teasers to it in the base game||

namely (lategame spoilers) ||illustrations of a paradox version for suicune and virizion, as well as a weird-looking egg thing that's described as the third legendary||

[rose junco]

||there's also some placeholders for stuff that might be for DLC||

[wraith gulch]

||once we have more info tell me if mudkip's in||

[rose junco]

DLC ||also there's 'unknown moves' for some Pokemon iirc, tutor moves maybe?||

anyway, ||Bergmite|| Violet entry

[spare hare]

Can we chill a bit with the dex entries

[restive silo]

King dex entry:

[rose junco]

sorry, I wish someone would dump the Violet ones already lol (and people are bugging us about them which is why I am posting, really there's more I haven't posted but it just looks like I've posted a lot because no one is talking in here anymore lmao)

but seriously, ||why are the Violet ones more interesting than the Scarlet ones it feels like||

[rose junco]

that is ||Clodsire||

[rough kelp]

||DOOH||

[rose junco]

||Quagsire is ヌオー Nuoh for reference||

[rose junco]

anyway, do you want me to put the rest in one image or not post them at all (even ones for new/important mons)

[spare hare]

Try to consolidate them if you can yes

[rose junco]

okay then

[spare hare]

Saw a post on r/pokeleaks that ||the 4 dark legends are, in fact, shiny locked||

So ig ||they're going with the approach of one time encounter = shiny lock||

[open cedar]

||Us scarlet people are starving. ||

[rose junco]

||still wondering why they're reusing old Dex entries for half of the old Pokemon again (for example Dragonite in Scarlet and Magikarp in Violet)||

[rough kelp]

reusing dex entry isn't a new thing

[rose junco]

yeah but it felt like Sun and Moon had a bit of new ones

[rough kelp]

if their behavior isn't noteworthily different in paldea, they don't need a new entry

I think they always been doing that

[rose junco]

I guess lol (though they gave new ones to a lot of old mons in (Ultra) Sun and (Ultra) Moon anyway (and I'm pretty sure Sword and Shield too))
but they could at least reword it

like the last time I remember them doing this in a non-remake or whatever was X and Y

[vague storm]

u guys have the gif of ||toedscool || running?

that's the one with the funny run right?

[rose junco]

yeah, I don't have gif of it though

[spare hare]

@vague storm

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722521136578953217/1041059035627143309/1668262605520266.webm ||

[marble sand]

anyone think it's so clever how ||they turned a jellyfish into a mushroom||

[vague storm]

hot, thx

[open cedar]

Yeah, but we’ve been getting completely original ones since SM, or at the very least, they tend to give us a new tidbit about the pokemon along with returning info. Here, it’s primarily stuff we’ve learned about before.

[rose junco]

Sword and Shield seems like it had a few reused ones, but not as much as this game (and it was usually for very old mons that were also in Sun and Moon, not like gen 5 mons or gen 3 mons that haven't been in an original game since X and Y)

[open cedar]

One of the key points of new information I can think of being ||Jumpluff’s Scarlet entry, which is…certainly something.||

It certainly needs to be seen to be believed

[hot zenith]

Oh yeah, I've seen that one

[marble sand]

||0189: Jumpluff: Jumpluff travels on seasonal winds. Once its cotton spores run out, its journey ends, as does its life.||
brah wtf brah

[manic bane]

||why're pokedex entires either really basic or just sad||

[hot zenith]

||Really liked Foongus, eh?||

[manic bane]

||broke: which came first the chicken or the egg, woke: which came first the Foongus or the poke ball||

[hot zenith]

This is honestly a mood

[red garden]

||Sounds... sus ||

[rough kelp]

||positive nature relationship in pokemon||

[rough kelp]

oh yeah question regarding spoiler embargo

when the game drop, which pokemon/characters can we use as pfp from the start and which one are we only allowed to use after the embargo

||in this very specific case, can I use clodsire pfp when game drop||

[hot zenith]

On another server, someone already has a pfp of ||Tandemaus or Maushold||

I mean, if they don't know that it's there it shouldn't hurt in theory, but it's still technically revealing game info beforehand

so idk really

[spare hare]

Also I haven't discussed this with the other mods but my impression is wait at least a bit after the game comes out in english

It seems in poor taste just to post a new pokemon as soon as the time is up when realistically no one there will have started the game yet lol

[rough kelp]

understandable

[rose junco]

is this a new idle for ||Hawlucha||? it feels weird

||I'm not used to his arms being down like that||

[surreal vault]

Yeah that's a new idle

[spice timber]

i'm still deciding on what pokemon i'm gonna hyperfixate on and make my new pfp

[surreal vault]

I'm gonna be a free thinker and still rock the quag

[rose junco]

more Violet entries, that will probably be it for now (mostly because people are slow and Violet isn't as popular lol)

(late game area spoilers) || https://fxtwitter.com/Fateawaits520/status/1592580389398548480 in other news, someone's been showing off the Violet Paradox mons||

||omg I love Iron Moth, such a cutie||

[spice timber]

||FUCKING PRECIOUS||

||THEY EMOTE WITH THEIR LED EYES||

[rough kelp]

||oh it got the LED face||

heavy spoiler discussion above this message

[spice timber]

oh yeah

^ endgame spoilers

mb

endgame spoilers ||AAAAA||

[hot zenith]

||They... all do that?|| ^

[spice timber]

endgame spoilers ||i think so, iron bundle does it too so i assume the rest do it as well||

[hot zenith]

woah

[rough kelp]

endgame stuff ||just listened to area zero theme...

if I have a nickel everytime a game on switch has a place named area zero with a good ass theme, I would have 2 nickels and a very happy pair of ears||

[tropic pollen]

Oh looks like centro got got lmfao

[shell sand]

decimated?

[lunar bridge]

yep

[runic prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-safe-dance-gif-13211112

[candid nebula]

||what's the other area zero? Also yes area zero's theme is indeed a bop||

[lunar bridge]

picnic
||The new “egg” move mechanics are awesome because now I can teach my jumpluff strength sap with a picnic||

so long as morelull’s in the game

[split swan]

I am curious what is the game's (story spoiler) ||main allegory||

(Spoiled to protect the spoiler content in the above message but otherwise is safe) ||since gen 5 onwards seem to tackle a social issue in the plotline||

[wraith gulch]

||xenophobia. spain was very xenophobic at a time.||

[velvet bobcat]

||don't worry it still is||

[ivory prawn]

||PEAK FICTION||

[spice timber]

endgame spoilers, montage of all ||future paradox|| animations
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722521136578953217/1042455896887935076/da5bea30969d0011a693007e4d1ea29f.mp4 ||

with music over it for some reason

[tropic pollen]

||IRON TREADS IS FIREEEE||

[marble sand]

did they just mention ||pawmi's evo typing in the main chat lol||

[spice timber]

yeah, though i think they don't realize that it's technically leak info

[runic prawn]

||yeah it was brought up in mod chat, we are just currently torn if maybe pointing out it's a leak and deleting would be confirming it's a leak. also I'm just tagging this since meeper pointed it out in case he accidentally searches and finds my message here||

||meeper wasn't sure if it was a leak or guess himself||

[spice timber]

it's like saying (technically mon spoilers) ||that koraidon and miraidon are dragon/fighting and dragon/electric, which while technically leak info is also a reasonable guess that someone going in blind might assume even if it was never officially announced||

[marble sand]

||lol I was thinking that too - if it got deleted everyone would know it was real||

[spice timber]

||probably a good idea to leave it in my personal opinion, it's not really major information||

[serene dagger]

||could always just||

[spare hare]

We're leaving it up bc it'd be spoilers to confirm either way, not bc it's not major

Also bc kuru hasn't been following leaks as far as we can tell, so don't any of you go in there and start talking about leaks lol

[spice timber]

yeah ofc not

oh yeah i should ask, how are we gonna handle the spoiler period after the game launches?

[spare hare]

We were still discussing that, I'm not entirely sure if we'll have a separate spoiler thread or not

[spice timber]

'cuz this game has a lot of hidden stuff in it

[marble sand]

regarding pawmi's evo ||at least people will still be surprised - they'll think an electric fighting evo will be cool only to find out it's one of the lamest designs we've gotten in years||

[spice timber]

it'd be mean for someone to stroll into the pokemon thread at 12:01am and just post (lategame spoilers) ||all the paradoxes||

[spare hare]

||good thing we also got another with iron hands ||

||pawmot will probably be used a lot though lol, if only bc fast mon with revival blessing ||

[spice timber]

||running pawmot basically means you're running 2 of the same mon, i wouldn't be surprised if people scarfed it for that sole purpose||

[spare hare]

||honestly pawmot alone doesn't bother me, it's more so just the fact that it's the end of a 3 stage line||

[marble sand]

I feel bad for anyone avoiding leaks cuz the Internet is a giant minefield

[spare hare]

||pawmo is like. Really wtf to me||

||literally one letter name change and it stands up||

[spice timber]

||pawmi and pawmot are okay, pawmo is just why||

[surreal vault]

Looks like I'm getting this game on Christmas

[spare hare]

🎄

[spice timber]

that's cool, by that point hopefully there'll be a bunch of foreign dittos floating around if you wanna masuda a starter or something

[marble sand]

||another example of how I think this gen has some bizarre designs that don't feel like they got the same polish||

meant to reply to king oops

[spice timber]

oh y'know what this gen feels like

||it feels like in gens 1-3 where they constantly mixed up the dex throughout the entirety of development||

[spare hare]

It feels like a lot of new ppl worked on this so I'd be curious to see the credits

[spare hare]

||this seems like it's supported with the pokemon listed after miraidon too||

[marble sand]

I find it funny no one has said anything after that message in the main chat

||we're all just staring like ||

[tropic pollen]

||because now it can T pose||

[spare hare]

🇹

[hot zenith]

||I could have sworn I also saw in the main chat somebody leaking about the Fire Croc being Ghost type, but now I can't find it||

||Could be that I'm just mistaking that for conversation about Ceruledge, though||

[spare hare]

||I think he was just talking about ceruledge fire and ghost kind of overlapping with fuecoco and cacturne, it's easy to misread as the starter evo typing for sure||

[marble sand]

I felt bad the other day I mentioned "hey without considering evos which starter are you guys going with" and ||someone said "oh I saw what fuecoco turns into so I'm going with that" and I'm like BRUH||

they didn't give anything away but ||they may have also subtly hinted at sprig turning bipedal lol||

[velvet bobcat]

||is Sprigatito going biped even a surprise for people?||

[rose junco]

||looking at Japanese move names, I wonder is the ブレイク in アクセルブレイク (something like 'Accel Break', Japanese name of Collision Course) supposed to be 'Brake', 'Break', or both? The name seems cool||

[surreal vault]

Nope
Not at all
Not one bit

[hot zenith]

Okay, but ||would Fuecoco not going biped be?||

[marble sand]

Some still hold out hope for ||a quadrupedal cat||

||A fool's errand, I'll say. Accept the anthro kitties||

[rose junco]

https://pastebin.com/hhdpw1M7 also wild Pokemon info

[arctic bobcat]

||not even the starter can get away from it||

[hot zenith]

||Purrloin in the transition from Gen 5 to Gen 6||

[ivory prawn]

||Jisho doesn't suggest the word brake once on this page, it's all break or blake, so Accel Break is probably more likely I think||

||Especially since we have Afro Break and Psycho Break too||

||Are there any other Break moves I don't know about||

||Oh I guess Brick Break still has break in Jp huh||

||No no it doesn't||

||Brick Break is Jp ||

OH

Liquidation is Aqua Break in Jp

Cool

[rose junco]

||is there anything with brake in it?||

||though the dictionaries I looked at said ブレイク was a synonym of ブレーク which can basically mean brake||

||however most stuff says the actual word 'brake' is supposed to be spelled ブレーキ for some reason||

[rose junco]

||there's also ブレイククロー (Break Claw) and ブイブイブレイク (Vuivui Break)||

[ivory prawn]

||Also ワイドブレイカー Wide Breaker (Breaking Swipe)||