Return to Dream Land Deluxe

[earnest sphinx]

MARRY MAGOLAND REAL

[livid tulip]

Finally... Marry Magoland.

[brazen laurel]

gettin married at magoland

the happiest place on earth

[royal gulch]

: "Sir, this is a restricted space, please propose somewhere else"

-Steals your ring-

[pale topaz]

Why is there so much white note music in rtdlx?

[inner jetty]

because Vanpool

[limber vessel]

meta knight without his mask

[honest yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n08JFHD0msM

TA but 4 Kirbys controlled by 1 person

something's wrong with Metal General's damage display of the team attack
it should be 86*0.7=60 damage

[mint token]

Kirby is the only game that can make us have pstd over a butterfly

[ripe mulch]

I think I saw someone say that Metal General was changed so that it's no longer a reliable way of getting damage numbers. I don't have a source on that though

[honest yarrow]

that's found in the datamine formula

[exotic geode]

apparently, there's something call B Value and D Value

[honest yarrow]

but it seems the team attack is another case

team attack doesn't have different PowerD

[exotic geode]

wait what, Speedrunners hate that?

[honest yarrow]

the formula has an unknown factor, probably related to multiplayer/team attack?
just a guess

[exotic geode]

not the fact that they added several new bosses to TA and a new phase, but because of the damage calculation changes?

[honest yarrow]

speedrunners just check the actual datamined values, but the wrong Metal General display in dx might mislead players who are not familiar

[exotic geode]

could chalk it up to faulty machine

[void blaze]

funny that I just watched a 4 player tas of the original true arena last night

but this speedrunner actually being able to manage all 4 controllers in real time is insane

I know a lot of the time they're just piggybacking and holding r on all 4 but that's still a lot lol

[honest yarrow]

louis actually did the same thing in the original on actual console
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rmSa_H9Rc

[void blaze]

oh shit damn

how do ppl figure out how to do this stuff and then sit down and do it lol it's crazy

[flat hinge]

speedrunners usually tie a bunch of wiimotes together so he could be doing that

definitely easier but still pretty impressive

[ripe mulch]

That would definitely help, but it's still a huge feat of dexterity

[flat hinge]

I couldn’t do it that’s for sure

[honest yarrow]

https://twitter.com/louiswu2000412/status/1438068941738295298

louis (@louiswu2000412)

マルチ ゴライアス 24.97秒(+0.97)
手元付き

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 15, 2021, 9:15 AM

[flat hinge]

Oh I was right I guess

[ripe mulch]

One of the things I've wanted to do is figure out a way to be both players in Forgotten Land, but even that feels beyond me lol I can't imagine doing four

[void blaze]

oh cool this guy still plays the game - he posted about his time in the remake just a day ago

[somber flame]

finally, the kirby game the fans truly want

[sacred mango]

is it even a good idea to marry magolor

[regal pulsar]

No he'd divorce you in like 5 days

[exotic geode]

after he stole your wallet and credit card info

[coarse blaze]

I just found out 'Another Domination' wasn't even made by a HAL composer. Is that the only non-Magoland song created by Hazemoto in this game?

[plucky monolith]

Raindrops Falling down My Face also uses white notes I believe

[coarse blaze]

So he went outside on a rainy day and recorded the rainfall for this game also. That was nice of him

I do enjoy Hazemoto's remixes from Kirby Clash and Fighters 2 so it was nice to see him work on some new songs for the remake also

[regal pulsar]

Agree!!

And another domination is just awesom

[coarse blaze]

His Checkerboard Chase remix is also pretty banging

[wispy crypt]

Where's that one shitpost of a Waddle Dee pronouncing it as Marry Magoland while the gang speculates why they pronounced it like that

[earnest sphinx]

#magoland-discussion message

[jovial quest]

Novie-G#7739 - #magoland-discussion

i know this convo was hours ago but it was too good not to depict :DDDLOL:

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Quoted by Novie-G#7739 • [229363481852379136] · Apr 1, 2023, 9:38 PM

[earnest sphinx]

of course i know that post, it's me

[grave pebble]

got the game

i think i actually kinda like the outlines

[coarse blaze]

I almost never noticed the outlines during my playthrough

[grave pebble]

..how

[regal pulsar]

guess thats a good thing

the outlines mesh in well

[pearl fjord]

Most people in this server actually like the outlines

The one place I remember noticing them and thinking they looked weird was actually the Final Battle cutscene on Magolor

He looks great in the fight but in the cutscene I feel like the outline makes him look really silly

[coarse blaze]

I was more immersed with everything else the game had to show that the outlines basically just blended in

[grave pebble]

oh i thought u meant u just didnt see them i was like. huh

[coarse blaze]

Hah.

[grave pebble]

i do wonder if i'd prefer it without though

[pearl fjord]

This is what I mean

[regal pulsar]

were prob at a point where no outlines would look weird

[regal pulsar]

oh yeahi totally agree

he looked a bit off

[pearl fjord]

I dunno what exactly about this looks weird to me tbh

Also it looks like they forgot to put an outline on his EX model in the Final Battle EX cutscene?

[regal pulsar]

LOL

[plucky monolith]

it is because he is not a character obviously

[grave pebble]

that is one thing im unsure about

it feels a little inconsistent with what's outlined or not

[pearl fjord]

In this case I think it was a straight up mistake but for the game I think they just put outlines on everything that's a character and nothing else?

The first time I saw a Sphere Doomer's shot I thought it looked really off-putting without an outline like the Doomer so yea

Oh right items also have outlines

[grave pebble]

it's just like

what's the limit on what gets outlined

at some points i feel like the walkable terrain should be outlined too

[pearl fjord]

Development time and 'bro Im gonna kill myself if I have to do this outline shit for all these stupid things that are modeled'

Is what I think

[grave pebble]

i dont mind the character outlines i just think it feels a little inconsistent

overall game looks nice

i think it could be better with depth of field blur and a 30fps cap though

[plucky monolith]

nah, depth of field blur sucks

and why would anyone want it to be 30?

it would just make it seem worse than original

[grave pebble]

this was a star allies joke

[plucky monolith]

oh

[pearl fjord]

It gave me such guttural vertigo I think I have to come find where you live and plan a way to hide the body afterwards

[grave pebble]

im unkillable

too cute

[pearl fjord]

Anyway yea for the most part I don't mind the outlines
For the more cheery looking locales I think they might even improve the aesthetic

[plucky monolith]

though depth of field blur is even worse in Rainbow Curse lol

why

[grave pebble]

dear goodness

[sturdy ore]

It gets worse the longer I look

[pearl fjord]

I think the big gameplay thing where I notice outlines is actually Magolor Soul
Story mode phase 2 is ok maybe but Soul specifically I think looks bad with outlines

[plucky monolith]

even worse when it is almost all background

[grave pebble]

this is what the console's gpu power should be spent on, always

[regal pulsar]

me when i cant see any beautiful details of the backgrounds

[pearl fjord]

This is literally giving me a headache looking at this screenshot

It's like my eyes are subconsciously trying to readjust to focus on the image and can't figure out why it's not working

[plucky monolith]

lmao

at least for that one you only see for a few seconds, this is actual gameplay

god I hate it

[sturdy ore]

This makes me sad

[grave pebble]

maybe im ok skipping this one after all

[coarse blaze]

That background reminds me of Donkey Kong Country

[grave pebble]

canvas curse was. enough

[grave pebble]

i can see it

[coarse blaze]

I'd argue Rainbow Curse is better than Canvas Curse. It's worth looking into in my opinion

[grave pebble]

eh

maybe

last spinoff i played was mass attack

didnt finish it i dont have three years to spend on it

[wispy crypt]

That looks fucking awful

This feels like a Star Allies moment here

[dense iron]

They also never put an outline on the spike balls in nutty noon stage 1

(Sorry for the ping faye)

[inland wadi]

I think the outlines look fine enough

I love how it looks on the key art for the game though

[valid locust]

I've grown to really like the outlines

[wispy crypt]

Outlines help given that the game doesn't use depth of blur

Surprised that no one talks about them a lot on Twitter besides complaining about the lack of online

[flat hinge]

I always appreciated the outlines honestly

the mods that remove them makes it just look strange

[wispy crypt]

Yeah it just makes it hard for me to focus

[pearl fjord]

Tbh I kind of get the 'mods removing the outlines make the game look strange' except when I stop getting it when I see evidence these people have looked at SA or FL or other Switch Kirbys since

Because those look just as strange to me now

[inland wadi]

I saw a Star Allies mod that made the game run at 60fps

it looked very nice

[ripe mulch]

I think DX would look fine without the outlines. I just like them

[odd rampart]

I like Kirbly

[plucky monolith]

they have more shading than RTDL DX

though I would not mind outlines with those

[pale topaz]

What if the reason why the popstar bosses are so insistent on keeping the lor ship parts despite magoland showing us that they're fine folk, is that because the lor is sentient, the ship parts don't want to return to Magolor, so they're influencing the ones that find them.

[plucky monolith]

it is not the ship parts being sentient

they are just hypnotizing like a charm

[pale topaz]

Was this proven somewhere?

[plucky monolith]

Whispy Woods JP description says he is entranced by its mysterious charm

[pale topaz]

Ah. Ok.

[plucky monolith]

oh yeah, also for Fatty Puffer, he ate it lol

[tawdry stream]

if the novel means anything it also has other bosses just like
really want the ship parts
regarding it as treasure

[plucky monolith]

well, novel doesn't match up with RTDL DX in bit of ways, but yeah

[tawdry stream]

w/ fatty puffer all the fish in the area also go "omg stop youre here for our treasure!!!" in novel lol

[warm sun]

Yeah they’re just being selfish really lol

[plucky monolith]

I mean in novel he did not eat it did he lol

[warm sun]

I mean it’s entrancing but
You don’t have to be such a dick about it geez
Just give me the part man

[tawdry stream]

novel whispy based

bro never fights you

[warm sun]

Novel Metal General:

[plucky monolith]

well it is a mysterious charm
I don't think they simply just liked it lol

[solar nest]

your wallet when you visit magolor’s shoppe:

[valid locust]

ok nintendo dream interview translation reviewed, if all goes well I can have it fully up tomorrow

[warm sun]

Banger

[warm sun]

I’ve never seen this one???

[plucky monolith]

it was added in DX

[warm sun]

Huh.

[heavy vigil]

86 seconds

[robust yoke]

Haru moment

[grave pebble]

what does the ninja dojo mission "hit one of magolor's targets with a bull's-eye on warrior difficulty" mean?

bc i feel like i've done exactly that yet i've gotten nothing for the mission

[ripe mulch]

Specifically you need to be on Warrior difficulty, hit one of the targets that Magolor himself features in, and get a bullseye

So like, any of the targets that Magolor is a part of. Sometimes he runs from them, sometimes he holds them, etc

[grave pebble]

ig i just kept missing the one magolor had then

thanks

[ripe mulch]

Good luck!

[grave pebble]

got it

now i just need to finish master

[robust yoke]

https://youtu.be/r2CE8x8Y7G4
someone posted galacta knight comparison with og :o

[hybrid zodiac]

RTX ON

[robust yoke]

also noticed there's sort of indicator when GK about to unleash spinning/tornado attack now, unlike og i think

[valid locust]

the thumbnail is so funny

[robust yoke]

tru

[midnight heart]

is switch Galacta's wing clipping through his shield?

[regal pulsar]

either its clipping or its bending rly hard to avoid the former

[honest yarrow]

the comparison misses the forward jump spinning knight

with no shockwave

change: slash sfx blue->pink like others

this is a rare attack of RtDL GK because it's only used when Kirby is midair

other knights will use it at anytime

original at 8:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFsuK9nv7Q

dx at 13:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLlLkG0LuDg

DMK Revenge flaps before using this (reference to AM motion)

DMK spinning knight at 25:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=783cI0ch42M

[valid locust]

how are kumazaki pics always so powerful

[wicked wolf]

Gigi, you said you might be done posting it today right?

the new lore is among us

[valid locust]

yup yup I am working on the post now, idk when I will finish but I gotta format and add images and stuff

[wicked wolf]

nice

[random pine]

the new lore is WHAT

[wicked wolf]

You heard me

[silk frost]

The booming blasters music is really good

[valid locust]

so true

[silk frost]

The regular music and secret music is all bangers

[jolly stream]

She has a visor. She was sus. She was the impostor.

[terse gazelle]

To The Cadence Of Skater Boy

[zealous cedar]

Does anyone know an effective orb grind for the Magolor Epilogue?

[silk frost]

Trickery challenge

In locandra

[grave pebble]

huh. why are the swords less colorful

[zealous cedar]

Thanks

[pearl fjord]

Sky Sands and Machine Passage remix
Literally contender for best new song in the game

Oh wtf they removed this shadow on the HP bar
No wonder I always felt like something about it looked wrong in the remake

And yea the sword beam effects looked way better in RtDL

That isn't just a DX thing tbh

They looked pretty bad in Clash

I'm not sure about PR but my impression was that they looked bad there too but probably b/c of the low resolution rather than anything?

[honest yarrow]

PR sword beam becomes orange

the pink edge is gone

so less contrast

[pearl fjord]

So yea his sword beams look worse than RtDL and his Revolution Sword looks worse than SKC, but otherwise god I love how GK's fight looks in DX so much

[pearl fjord]

Yea oof it was already ruined here

I'm kinda ok with them not recreating the pulsing orange-pink effect for 3DS but I feel like they just forgot it looked better in RtDL when they ported him to SKC?

SKC moment

The DX appearance is better than the SKC appearance at least

But they basically just looked at the SKC one and said 'ok what if it actually looks like its glowing'

[wicked wolf]

https://twitter.com/ObscureKirby/status/1644112749641728001/

[pearl fjord]

It is unknown if new Super Abilities for them were planned, but the use of "Armor" implies the decision was made very early on.

What the fuck are they talking about

Armor is literally just Mecha's final Japanese name

[valid locust]

LOL

[limpid harbor]

Super what attack

[flat hinge]

that would’ve been really funny if new super abilities were planned

[void blaze]

it would be funny but there's no way - levels have to be explicitly designed around them (moreso than they already are for regular abilities)

unless they added new EX levels ala the 3ds games. That would have been cool

[valid locust]

@pearl fjord was told the game uses "mecha" elsewhere

[pearl fjord]

I don't see any real possibility that there was ever a plan for new super abilities based on Sand and Mecha, just that they wanted Magolor to have new super ability attacks for sand and mecha

[valid locust]

in the files I mean

[pearl fjord]

Huh? Hm

Oh it does

[mint ruin]

BEAM ATTACK

[pearl fjord]

I guess the use of Armor indicates that this was done before localization happened then

OH MY GOD

Discord send my fucking message challenge

Remember how someone pointed out the cracked-screen effect is literally just from Robobot when the Robobot Armor hits the screen

It's literally called ArmorShadow lol

[scarlet sierra]

Huh

[hushed pine]

Lol

So it was taken from Robobot?

[pearl fjord]

!!!!!! Kamisama jumpscare

Oh actually I don't think I ever mentioned this before but yea I'm working on translating RtDL Dx dialogue on the side

[wicked wolf]

No way Void caused the meeting

[mint token]

guys whats the name of the kirby mob that has white hair and is like poppy jr or the funi bomb guy

[pearl fjord]

Void absorbed the time energy and became the moment in time in which Kirby and Magolor met

uhhhhhhhhhhh

They have white hair and look like Poppy Bros. Jr.?

[mint token]

ye

[pearl fjord]

I can't think of anything that looks like Poppy Bros and has hair tbh

[mint token]

i remember i saw it before

[pearl fjord]

In fact I'm struggling to think of anything that has white hair besides like one of the SSU recolors of Knuckle Joe

This guy?

[silk frost]

I can't even think of anything with hair besides knuckle joe

[mint token]

nah

anyways gonna hop off now, keep yourself safe yall!

[grave pebble]

why are the subgames still in the ship and requiring unlocks when that's all just magoland content now?

[pearl fjord]

So they don't have to rewrite Magolor's dialogue IDK

[midnight heart]

So it's technically not retconned, which I personally appreciate

You know someone would make a head scratcher out of the Lor no longer having the minigame rooms

..I'm assuming theres still no scope shot though

[grave pebble]

i mean.. you wouldn't have to retcon anything to just not have them in the ship

it just feels a little strange

also yeah no scope shot

im guessing bc it relied too much on the wii's precise aiming

gyro doesn't quite cut it

and stick definitely wouldn't

[spice pasture]

I mean, the existence of Kirby on the Draw in this game kinda contradicts that
Only real extra thing Scope Shot needed was aiming at certain parts of the robot & tracking movement, but KotD also requires quick aim adjustments

I think they just wanted to stick with 1 minigame per game they borrowed from (although Samurai Kirby also breaks this by technicality as it was in both SS[U] and NiDL), so they kept Ninja Dojo & made a new rtdldx-exclusive minigame

[pearl fjord]

OK but why would you not have them on the ship when you could just have them on the ship

They wanted to make magolor's friendship/participation more prominent in the story mode and removing one of the big things he does for you would be backwards for that

[exotic geode]

2 new RTDL Deluxe minigames, Tome Tracker and Blooming Blasters

[spice pasture]

Right, forgot about Tome Trackers lol

[ripe mulch]

Mostly what I see is people unfamiliar with the original getting confused why they have to unlock them in the ship but they're available almost immediately at Magoland. But I agree that it's better to keep it

[valid locust]

ok translation coming as soon as I stop staring at all the text to make sure wordpress didn't eat any of it

[exotic geode]

thank you for your work

[valid locust]

ok I will just drop it here for now, if you spot any mistakes yell at me https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2023/04/07/translation-of-the-kirbys-return-to-dream-land-deluxe-interview-from-the-may-2023-edition-of-nintendo-dream/

[pearl fjord]

Ayy

I like how their example was that a parent would play magoland with their child and then switch back to story mode when the child was done

[exotic geode]

'our basic stance of “not releasing new software unless we have a good product ready at that time”'

[wicked wolf]

Based lore

[pearl fjord]

Lmao "Dedede is meant to look cool in 3DX because he's both playable and a boss, while he's meant to look stupid in SA b/c he's a dream friend"
He's technically a boss in SA too y'know 😭 Even if it's the first boss and he changes forms anyway so ig the base design doesn't matter as much

[valid locust]

oh yeah the word kumazaki here used was like huuuuuuuh one second

but I was like "what does this mean kuma"

(for TD I mean)

[wicked wolf]

I mean tbf in SA his fight was goofy as hell

Compared to Masked Dedede in TDX

I mean that fight had some goofy stuff too

Like his animation after inhale

But generally he's more "cool" there than in his SA fight

[pearl fjord]

stylish I've seen used a lot in anime and it basically seems to mean cool
Well I dunno what the jp word is but ive seen stylish often used in anime translation in a way that basically means cool

or edgy maybe

[wicked wolf]

But yeah I can see TDX being a mix of cool & goofy

While SA is just goofy 100%

[nocturne elk]

The first part of the true area kind of easy

[valid locust]

the funny

[dense iron]

Wtf

I haven't even done the extra missions

Why is the badge there 😭

[void blaze]

all masks maybe? otherwise idk lol

[dense iron]

I'm lying btw I've done every true extra mission except the last 3

[void blaze]

Rude

[dense iron]

I just did them before I completed all 100 of the normal missions

[nocturne elk]

I thought you said true arena missions, and I almost had a heart attack

[pearl fjord]

Ahh so it's just kakkoii

[brazen laurel]

tfw even kumazaki forgot dedede's fight in sa

[serene creek]

dashdancing while doing the hammer spin and piggybacking the others does this

[pearl fjord]

Kumazaki: There is no timeline that's stupid
Interviewer: It looks like RtDL continues after SqSq
Kumazaki: I will pretend I did not hear that. Anyway the characters get along well and also timelines are stupid

[valid locust]

LOL

[sturdy ore]

Gotta love how Kumazaki casually drops the multiverse and the immediate response is “H-huh?”

[exotic geode]

'yeah the multiverse is real and back to talking about why RTDL Deluxe is fun'

[sturdy ore]

“Multiverse is real canon isn’t real”

“Anyway I like Pacloud”

[exotic geode]

I thought confirming the multiverse should be some sort of big news.

nah, Pacloud is way more important

[pearl fjord]

Everyone focusing on that one line from the interview: Bro Kuma said there's a multiverse!!!!!
Also Kuma earlier in that interview: Who gives a shit you could just think magoland was also made by story mode magolor I don't care

[exotic geode]

priorities people, priorities.

[ripe mulch]

I feel like his stance is mostly still "making a fun game is more important than worrying too hard about chronology and tiny specifics" which we pretty much always knew anyway

"Imagine whatever makes you happy"

[pearl fjord]

I always facepalm when someone acts like Kirby is too concerned about story because like
The whole reason Kirby's story is confusing is because Kumazaki thinks the story doesn't matter over gameplay

[exotic geode]

I mean, RTDL Deluxe main story is pretty straight forward

also with Magolor Epilogue

but the lore elements... yeah, it'll take a bit of time to connect

[sturdy ore]

Forget clash universe I wanna know about Hydriath

[ripe mulch]

I think it's fun to what if and speculate about how stuff like Magoland connects, but I still see it first as just meant to be fun

[exotic geode]

he's dating Electrickity Dooter

[hushed pine]

Kumazaki wants to provide engaging and interesting scenarios without people obsessing over the little details and I think that's beautiful. At some point I have no doubt he's going to vaguepost about the Zelda timeline and how he doesn't want that for Kirby I'm positive

[ripe mulch]

Anyway, I love these background looks into the things they think about when making games. I care way more about that than "lore drops"

The hardware performance was improved, but the development staff had more things they wanted to do, so in the end, the programming process was quite difficult (laughs).

This is every project ever. I feel this so hard lol

"I can do more now! But nope my ambition is still higher than is reasonable!"

[scarlet sierra]

Still no kissing Misers sticker still

[valid locust]

1984

[exotic geode]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-epilogue-hydroath-happy-valentines-day-valentines-day-dooter-gif-27558136

[warm sun]

• 3

[dense iron]

I NEVER HAVE TO DO THIS SHIT AGAIIIIN

WOOOHOOOO

[hushed pine]

Good job

[heavy vigil]

when 800 points in Kirby on the Draw (get gud)

[earnest sphinx]

that mission is pure evil

[heavy vigil]

Checkerboard Chase is still fun

and even more so in this game

(fast mode is great)

[earnest sphinx]

Ooh yes, Checkerboard Chase on High-Speed is really fun

[ripe mulch]

I expected fast mode to be harder, but no it's just funner

[earnest sphinx]

Bomb Rally is still peak tho

[hushed pine]

Bomb Rally is my favorite

[earnest sphinx]

Going in, Kirby on the Draw was my favorite minigame out of the ones they brought back

Kirby on the Draw is no longer my favorite out of those 8

[hushed pine]

Lol

[heavy vigil]

Smash Ride when:

[hushed pine]

Least favorite is either Tome Trackers or Crackity Hack

[earnest sphinx]

I actually like Crackity Hack haha. But I seem to be a minority in that

[heavy vigil]

don't like Ninja Dojo

[valid locust]

my least favorite is egg catcher thanks to the trauma that mission gave me :)

my favorite is easily ninja dojo, my beloved

[heavy vigil]

even when I get bull's-eyes in a row

[earnest sphinx]

I'm pretty good at Ninja Dojo, it's just a bit tedious because it's the longest minigame by far

[heavy vigil]

it feels very slow

[ripe mulch]

Tome Trackers makes me mad, even the normal missions. I just don't enjoy it

[silk frost]

So I noticed an odd visual thing that happens with spark and the gem thing that lets you pass through stuff

[earnest sphinx]

true tbh. the ais make it infuriating

[heavy vigil]

timing the shots is kind of fun

[ripe mulch]

I'm just bad at it. I played with my irl sister and it was just hard

[earnest sphinx]

I do appreciate the detail that Magolor only doesn't taunt 1P over a wrong book. He's got a bias towards pink Kirby LOL

[exotic geode]

AI's in Magoland: I'mma cheat

[exotic geode]

Magolor and (pink) Kirby are friends.

everyone else tho? Screw them.

you know something?

The fact that Elfilin Mask is part of a mission for Tome Tracker

[heavy vigil]

but yeah Tome Trackers I don't like either

it's a memory game

[exotic geode]

does that implied Elfilin helps out Magolor sometimes after the events of Forgotten Land?

[ripe mulch]

Or maybe just that they've met

[heavy vigil]

but with CPU that can fiddle with certain missions

[keen flame]

checkerboard chase was my fave in 64

[exotic geode]

Maybe I'm looking too deep into this

[earnest sphinx]

They probably picked that mask because Elfilin helping out is probably the most in-character interaction

Just like how Susie's the mask for the minigame based around shooting laser guns lol

[ripe mulch]

Plus FL doesn't have a minigame in DX but it feels weird not to give him a mission

[hushed pine]

It's because Elfilin knows all the lore

[earnest sphinx]

I mean he is on the cover of some of those books

[valid locust]

elfilin told magolor the lore

[exotic geode]

there's no mission that require you to wear Taranza mask, is there?

[heavy vigil]

nice references though

good aesthetic

[limpid harbor]

actually does elfilin know the lore? he's been in the new world the entire time while the ancient stuff was going down

[valid locust]

I liked how they referenced me by making a mission that requires the bandee mask in ninja dojo

[limpid harbor]

same goes for forgo

[heavy vigil]

minigame though:

[sacred mango]

Most of the time it's just Kirby brought into the story that is usually not meant to be about him lol

[exotic geode]

Elfilin probably know who's Barry Mr. Dooter is talking about

[sacred mango]

Actually think more like this: A story is happening... and Kirby is the one who barges in

[earnest sphinx]

elfilin doesn't even remember his own origins

[exotic geode]

A story happen, Kirby wakes up and be like "Yes, let's have an adventure"

[sacred mango]

because most of the time... you just fucked with the wrong neighborhood lol

[sturdy ore]

Hid in the forest for thousands of years

[limpid harbor]

pretty much how tdx and sa went

actually they invited kirby into the tdx plot

[exotic geode]

Opening cutscenes are so fun in Kirby

[sacred mango]

wow remember how Kirby had a house and he sleeps in it (TDX)

[exotic geode]

Everything is peaceful, then some stuff happen and Kirby is caught in it

[exotic geode]

Kirby rarely stay in his house...

[sacred mango]

yes

what if it's a sequel to Kirby Super Deluxe

😛

(Super Star japanese name)

[velvet eagle]

How many times has it been destroyed?

[ripe mulch]

Never that we've seen

[wicked wolf]

you say that when

[exotic geode]

Kirby is in charge of resolving incidents in Dream Land

[limpid harbor]

everyone's house has been destroyed besides kirby

[exotic geode]

so, does MK lived in a cliff?

[regal pulsar]

I am going to die brutally

starting NOW

[wicked wolf]

heheheh

[heavy vigil]

nah he lives in the Halberd

[ripe mulch]

MK lives in the Halberd but when it's broken or he's just in the mood, he sleeps on the ground. It builds character

[plucky monolith]

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/322301000776/ image of the cover of the guidebook was updated

also, they added more of a description if no one saw

[honest yarrow]

★隠し＆収集要素ぜんぶ見せ！
エナジースフィア全位置
なりきりおめん全入手条件
隠し部屋&HAL部屋の入り方
かくれマホロア全位置
スタンプチケット全位置
サウンドルーム全楽曲出現条件
シアタールーム全ムービー出現条件

★マホロアエピローグこうりゃく
異空間に落ちてしまったマホロアが、
魔力を取りもどしながら脱出を目指す
新モード。　コンボをつなげて高ポイント
を得るヒントをバッチリ公開。

★わいわいマホロアランド ガイド
1人から４人まで、わいわい遊べる
サブゲームがつまったマホロアランドを
徹底解説！　サブゲームに勝利するための
ヒントやアドバイスをお届け。

★ゲームシステムとアクション
コピー能力＆スーパー能力の
すべてをチェックして、
敵やボスとの戦いにそなえよう！

★ストーリーステージこうりゃく
コピーできる敵やしかけをとく
スイッチの場所をマップで確認。
こうりゃくに役立てよう。

★チャレンジステージこうりゃく
しかけやスコアコインの配置をチェック！　
最速クリアでプラチナメダルをゲットだ!!

[thin kindle]

Kumazaki: There is no timeline

Interviewer: oh the cake thing is kinda like continuing squeak squ-

Kumazaki: Now RTDX takes place in a different timeline from RTDL as a result of Maryland

Interviewer:

[ripe mulch]

It's more just like how you can see it that way, if you want. Not as an absolute. He's acknowledging that changing the game makes it technically different

One game has Magoland. The other does not. They aren't identical

[honest yarrow]

contents

• collectible guide
• Magolor Epilogue guide
• Merry Magoland guide
• Copy Ability guide
• Story stage guide
• Challenge Stage guide

[thin kindle]

I know I'm just making a hehehe a hohoho if you will

[ripe mulch]

Lol fair

I appreciate that even with being storytellers, they put gameplay first still always

[exotic geode]

Interviewer: the intro scene looks like squeak squad-

Kumazaki: Look, isn't Pacloud cool?

[thin kindle]

Pacloud lore

[exotic geode]

everyday, I wake up and realize there's a timeline where every Kirby game is Dedede stole Blank and Kirby needs to stop him as a plot

[sturdy ore]

Dedede stole the Fecto Forgo and Kirby’s gotta stop him

[hushed pine]

Pacto is one of my favorite Kirby enemies

[exotic geode]

Kirby following the Mario Story Formula

[hushed pine]

I literally popped off when I saw him in Forgotten Land

Like out of my chair cheering

Love Pacto

So much ❤️

Pacloud? Peak Pacto

[sturdy ore]

Isn’t there supposed to be an official RtDL DX guide coming out?

[exotic geode]

imagine they put lore in that

[honest yarrow]

contents summary from the website

[sturdy ore]

Oh I see

[honest yarrow]

still this book will have 400+ pages, more than previous game guidebooks

[sturdy ore]

Can’t wait to see what they called Master Crown’s attacks

[exotic geode]

will they hide lore in it?

Hmmm...

[hushed pine]

With this many pages they'd better explicitly spell out whether to hit the button or pull the lever first in that one Onion Ocean puzzle 💀

[ripe mulch]

Wait which one?

[hushed pine]

Uhhh

3-4?

Where A Stroll On The Ocean Floor first plays

[ripe mulch]

Oh wait, that one. Gotcha

[heavy vigil]

there he is

he is here

[hushed pine]

I LOVE PACTO

I LOOOOOOOVE PACTO

I want a pet Pacto

It would be a good pet

[hidden dock]

I HATE PACTO
I HAAAAAAATE PACTO

jerk ate me one too many times

[hushed pine]

You're going to die

I will feed you to my pet Pacto

[hidden dock]

i will feed your pet pacto to kirby

[ripe mulch]

Pacto /affectionate

[hushed pine]

YES

What good is a pet if it isn't functional

Sometimes that function is "kill indiscriminately"

[hidden dock]

pacto killed my grandma, ok

[hushed pine]

I know

I was there

https://tenor.com/view/manobanwrld-gif-26179462

[hidden dock]

was this paypack for my pet waddle doo nuking your city

[hushed pine]

I have no city

[regal pulsar]

did they use the same anim for the fucking cats

[hushed pine]

I bow to no flag but the single eye and gaping maw

[hushed pine]

THEY DID LMAO

[regal pulsar]

i think they really wanted to make sure someone notices it LOL

[dense iron]

I HATE PACTO

[heavy vigil]

MPS

YOU WILL BE EATEN BY PACTO

[dense iron]

https://tenor.com/view/punching-strike-hit-fighting-trouble-gif-14797150

Me killing pacto

[hidden dock]

and why do you think that is

[hushed pine]

The fear

[hushed pine]

You die now

[dense iron]

Not if I kill you first....

[regal pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-the-fear-mgs3-kobra-kobra-unit-gif-13250881

[hushed pine]

Get him pacto

Go. Bite. Kill

[regal pulsar]

i completely forgot about this scene all i did was look for the character

[flat hinge]

I have four pactos on a leash ready to bite off all of your limbs

[winged breach]

They should each be on a separate leash. Kind of irresponsible Pacto owning if you ask me

[hushed pine]

Efficient

[flat hinge]

have you SEEN the prices of pacto leashes

[pearl fjord]

I like how this is both wrong and the opposite of a joke I literally made earlier

[pearl fjord]

momento

[winged breach]

Owning a Pacto is a big and expensive responsibility

[pearl fjord]

Honestly I've encountered too many situations where it should be obvious people are joking and the fandom eventually thinks it's serious so I really think I should make this clear

[dense iron]

Pacto are endangered!!!! (I am killing all of them)

[pearl fjord]

The interview is actually the one who first suggests that RtDL and DX are a multiverse

And kuma's like 'yea but does that really matter'

[hushed pine]

Pacto gang I have moved us to #fountain-of-memes

[pearl fjord]

And it's the second time that the interviewer again mentions that rtdl wii and dx are two separate continuities that kuma says this

So no the interviewer is not going 'huh?' at wii and dx being 'parallels' they are literally the one that suggested that in the first place

[hushed pine]

This interviewer has heard the kills gods eats cake memes and knows about the miiverse lore

And Kumazaki does not care

[ripe mulch]

Currently imagining him fighting the urge to make up bs lore just to screw with the interview

[limpid harbor]

imagine how insane a kumazaki AMA would go

[plucky monolith]

just realized earlier that RTDL DX is not the first game where Magolor has had books
he also had books in Clash (called Codexes there)
neat

[odd rampart]

i mean they did explain that Magolor read a lot of shit out of some books

[regal pulsar]

NERD

[plucky monolith]

well yeah lol
though that was first mentioned in RTDL DX I think

[odd rampart]

ya

[plucky monolith]

but anyway, wonder what all is in written in these books

[odd rampart]

i dont think Tome Trackers Books will hold actual long term info due to the whole theme park prop thing

[plucky monolith]

true lol

[odd rampart]

the Codexes on the other hand

are literally described to be read

so its definitely actual information

[thin kindle]

unfortunately its actually correct i willed it into existence by not reading the interview

[odd rampart]

also this means Clash universe Kirby's can read

[pearl fjord]

Also quick question

From here, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump to
Landia's mountain lair!
Magolor says this after beating Egg Engines right

[limpid harbor]

another reason why clash sucks smh

[pearl fjord]

kk thx

oh

[plucky monolith]

think so

[pearl fjord]

ah lol thx

[odd rampart]

when you think about it

[thin kindle]

WTF CHARACTER ASSASSINATION??? why arent more people talking about this

[odd rampart]

the Kirby's in the Clash Universe are significantly more... smarter

they go out in quests, from the bulletin board, do quests with other Kirby's, buy things, etc

[sturdy ore]

Erm… prime Kirby can read….

[odd rampart]

he can

but reg Kirby isnt as like.

aware

yknow what i mean

[ripe mulch]

Regular Kirby isn't as interested, I'd say

Like, he's just got other things he'd rather do

[thin kindle]

hes dumb

idiot boy

kirby did not get a good education like his clash versions

[pearl fjord]

Clearly it's a magic spell that is applied to you when you look at the contents of the book

[ripe mulch]

I see him as "talented but lazy" with Bandee being the "works really hard" friend. Talented mostly meaning his copy abilities. But I can see him being average smart but just kinda book dumb

[odd rampart]

I mean Kirby's still got his fair share of knowledge

but the Clash Kirby's have the benefit of actually have been living in towns and kingdoms

[plucky monolith]

actually he's a traveller there too

[thin kindle]

"fair share of knowledge" eating and fishing

[odd rampart]

like KatFL revealed Kirby could read and write (albeit with trouble actually being read) because there's like a town there

Clash Kirby's would naturally do more reading and writing

[limpid harbor]

kirby's a great fisher tho

[odd rampart]

and like

They Do

[sturdy ore]

He has bad handwriting (numbs for hands do not help)

[odd rampart]

they read books and go through the bulletin board

[plucky monolith]

this is the line where they call Clash Kirby that I'm pretty sure

[odd rampart]

and thats also another interesting point Clash Kirby's are like

part of a big population

like Clash Kirby's are basically a race/species in that world that are more than just.. 4 from what anyone can tell

So the cumulative knowledge as a species/community would significantly also be hgiher

[plucky monolith]

旅の わかもの 'young traveler'

[inner jetty]

yeah the other kirbys you get from wifi are called wandering traveller

s

[ripe mulch]

We don't know regular Kirby is one of kind or anything. Other games have had multiple Kirby's, Keeby even has a name occasionally. It's just always a multiplayer situation, so it's hard to say anything one way or another about if it matters.

It's just, usually, every character is pretty much unique. Except Bandee because it's part of his "story" to be one of the many

[odd rampart]

ya

[ripe mulch]

Is Dedede the only of his kind? We don't know. Probably not, but it doesn't matter to the games to meet his parents or anything

[plucky monolith]

the bell is also たびびとのかね (basically 'Traveler Bell')
and the codex for it is たびびとおみやげの書 (basically 'Traveler Souvenir Book')

[odd rampart]

Magolor your obsession with souvenirs is truly astounding

[ripe mulch]

[wicked wolf]

yea

[heavy vigil]

Dedede when:

Meta Knight when:

Dedede trying to stop Nightmare before Kirby (how does he know)

Meta Knight when Amazing Mirror and Squeak Squad (how does he know)

[plucky monolith]

also Wandering Adventurers is spelt さすらいのたびびと (basically 'Wandering Travelers') in JP if anyone was wondering

note that is just for option to search for them online in TKCD I believe
they are just Adventurers/たびびと ('Travelers') in most places it seems

[plucky monolith]

also the 'Souvenirs' here are supposed to be the Fragments you get from ringing the bell lol

they are called 'gifts' in English version

[solid estuary]

is it possible to go through every level in magolor epilogue without breaking your combo

[odd rampart]

who knows

[stark bane]

Do you guys think Nutty Noon might be near or part of Floralia?

[odd rampart]

yes

[somber cape]

wow i kind of wish the magolor epilogue bosses were beefed up for kirby in the true arena instead of weakened

they're such a step down from the ex bosses replaying it

you can literally get them down to half health in 10 seconds

[wispy crypt]

Tbh they're also still hard hitters

To balance things out

[valid locust]

god I wish I had this skill

[ripe mulch]

Yeah they hit like a truck, and that's not the side of the truck you want to be on

[valid locust]

I can only do that in some arena bosses lol

[ripe mulch]

Also a lot of the epilogue bosses have lingering ground effects, and I swear I always get hit by those

[plucky monolith]

this sounds like every Kirby boss

[somber cape]

mecha up + b

[somber cape]

i disagree i'm literally not exaggerating that i got them firey puffer and dooter to their second phase in basically 10 seconds

that doesn't happen with the other bosses and magolor sure as hell couldnt do that when he fought them

[warm sun]

I fucking loved using Mecha in TA lol

[valid locust]

I cannot use mecha

this feels like when people tell me to use hammer in the arenas

I cannot!

[plucky monolith]

8 seconds to get Goriath EX down to half health

[valid locust]

"just do up B" my dude I cannot time it I am bad at games

[somber cape]

i HATE using hammer

i think it's just because i'm bad but it just gets me killed

[plucky monolith]

7 seconds to get Metal General EX to half health

[somber cape]

what ability are you using for that god damn

tbf i'm pretty sure metal general is supposed to be weak

[plucky monolith]

I'm just counting from a Sand run

[flat hinge]

I used spark

ol reliable

[somber cape]

oh i haven't used sand yet

i found it a bit too boring

[flat hinge]

in the right hands sand becomes a powerhouse

[somber cape]

(i didn't bother looking at the moveset and just spammed b to kill dooter)

[plucky monolith]

5-6 seconds for Grand Doomer EX

[somber cape]

are you currently speedrunning the true arena to get these numbers

i think you're about to get the world record

[plucky monolith]

no I'm basing it off of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yZTmec3B8

I wish I could speedrun myself lmao

[flat hinge]

yeah sand is wacky

[somber cape]

yeah i think sand is the problem here

[plucky monolith]

8-9 seconds to get Dooter EX to half health with Mecha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFu2B_mpI-s

[flat hinge]

damn sand fist is pretty powerful

[somber cape]

sounds like they just need to fix their game at this point

[flat hinge]

and not much windup either

[somber cape]

still sand and mecha are very intentionally broken

the average run from what i've seen and accomplished myself is like 40 minutes and these people are winning in 10

[flat hinge]

I don’t think mecha is all that broken

[plucky monolith]

I've seen lot of stuff that have faster runs than Mecha

[flat hinge]

if anything it has more of a learning curve than sand

[plucky monolith]

but yeah Sand is fastest solo one

[somber cape]

up b + duck minigun

i wish they would just give the bosses more health at this point

i played a mod for og rtdl that gave them more and it felt so much better

kirby bosses are the polar opposite of damage sponges

[ripe mulch]

As someone who only recently reached a point where true arenas feel "possible with a lot of practice", it's hard to relate. They're meant to be a challenge overall, but if you make them a genuine challenge for highly skilled players they become near impossible for mid skilled players. It's probably a hard balance

[somber cape]

im not highly skilled

the boss patterns never feel that hard to dodge

that's why i always felt like it would be fine

[solid estuary]

i have a weird true arena experience where i think i find it easiest without abilities for me

at least rtdldx's

[honest yarrow]

in terms of boss AI, Sakurai era Kirby TA is more random
most Kumazaki bosses have fixed action patterns and can be memorized

[ripe mulch]

Well, moreso than me clearly. I've yet to actually beat DX's true arena. I think I can do it with more practice, but it's challenging

[honest yarrow]

just imagine SS Meta Knight but with Kumazaki era boss HP

not counting SSU Meta Knight because he's heavily nerfed here

[plucky monolith]

and not being able to cheese it with Wheel lol

[hushed mica]

Sounds great

[ripe mulch]

I totally get wanting more challenge. It's just as someone who isn't there yet, it always feels kinda funny having to work really hard only to see people calling it too easy

[scarlet sierra]

https://youtu.be/-2E0p0TXNiQ
Oh wow they really gave this song an extra kick to it

[hushed mica]

Tornadoes that do not stop at the edges and comes out in less than a second

& mk can do it anywhere

Peak knight boss

[somber cape]

i hate the stage sweeping tornado attacks

goofiest form of attack in the series

[somber cape]

(the kind that never disappear)

[ripe mulch]

I think it's funny that sword wielding knights, of all people, can make them.

If Kracko busted out a tornado it would make perfect sense. But no, it's the knights lol

[void blaze]

amazing mirror's I SWEAR you can't fucking dodge unless you're behind it or have i-frames lmao

like usually you can run to the furthest corner but not here

[honest yarrow]

AM DMK Tornado can't be dodged when he's below half HP I assume

it wipes the whole screen when in critical state

[void blaze]

ok I knew I wasn't going crazy

that is a mean fucking attack lmao

[honest yarrow]

AM Crescent Shot and Tornado have different charging motion
DMK shaking during Tornado charge

and this is actually referenced in TD

with different sword holding stance

[void blaze]

I never noticed that omg. that's actually rly helpful lol

dmk usually gives me the most trouble in boss endurance

tornado takes a little longer too right?

to charge up anyway

[warm sun]

The key section

[honest yarrow]

yes

[void blaze]

ahh i figured. the crescent shot would catch me off guard since he'd do it sooner than i thought he would

[honest yarrow]

triple shot when critical

and he can jump before firing it in AM

[void blaze]

his ai is just nasty

honestly i sometimes prefer using stone over smash in boss endurance just because stone can dash into him and hit him while smash cannot

feels way more reliable

[hushed mica]

You can go right on top of dmk to avoid the attack and there's still a window for dodging it since it isnt nearly as instant as KSS mk

[honest yarrow]

glide feint when he instead uses tornado

[hushed mica]

yea, one of the many odd and cool stuff about KSS mk

stuff like being able to do 3 aerials in a single hop, always jumping back after down thrust, a faster charge time for glide sword at lower hp, and him warping across the stage if you make him jump past the screen glitch

[odd rampart]

oh so thats why Brawl Meta Knight was like that

he was based on KSS

[honest yarrow]

to balance the difficulty, SS Meta Knight has below average HP

[pearl fjord]

I think every Kirby fan should have to fight SS MK no-ability as a rite of passage

[odd rampart]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at least NSO has a fuckin 100% save file

[honest yarrow]

when the multithrust sword beam and the crescent shot can be swallowed and grabbed in SS

(reflected in Mirror's case)

[odd rampart]

wait id still need to play through RoMK

auuughhhhh

aughhhhh Y and B controls

crying

[honest yarrow]

correction: his HP is actually above average lol

nvm

[ripe mulch]

I literally have a control remap saved as a preset purely to make SNES Kirby playable 😂

[honest yarrow]

just remember if you want to use abilities other than sword
wait until MK loads his HP, then swap the ability via bamboozling the helper

because SS boss HP is determined by whether helper is present

[odd rampart]

wow i love Kirby Star Allies

wow i hate Kirby Super STar level design

[wispy crypt]

Planet Hotbeat: Let's make it worse

[ripe mulch]

Super Star has some choices, that's for sure

[void blaze]

ok I forgot how much planet hotbeat sucked

[earnest sphinx]

real

[ripe mulch]

I don't remember exactly, but it's got "hot" in the name which means it's gonna be a lava zone and SS lava areas all suck

[odd rampart]

wait so

what a m i supposed to spit at MK

[void blaze]

it's the one with like a billion lava walls lmao

That burning sound effect is ingrained into my soul...

[ripe mulch]

Oh yeah
That one very sucks

[honest yarrow]

multithrust sword beam and crescent shot
the only two things that can be swallowed in the original SS

SSU adds more drop stars tho

[hushed mica]

have fun if you're doing that fight in romk

mk barely does anything at full hp, so you'd be hard pressed to get him into using one of those attacks

[honest yarrow]

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9453878

guard does damage to bosses in SS

so that's the "primary" damage against MK lol

[midnight heart]

Huh, no wonder he gives you a sword..

[odd rampart]

thats less primary and more like .

The Only Thing You Can Do

[midnight heart]

I never really thought about it beforr

[hushed mica]

guarding close to mk might be a bit dangerous since he tends to attack wildly if you're right next to him

[odd rampart]

ya youre not gonna kill him via guard

[hushed mica]

then again, I dont think any of mk's attack deals chip damage except for the projectiles like the shockwave & the other two projectiles you should use as ammo

[odd rampart]

wow i literally just need to stand in a corner and inhale or guard

the biggest difficulty of this fight is really just him not giving you ammo

[hushed mica]

having a 30 second staring contest with mk only for him to do a shockwave and nothing else

[odd rampart]

pretty much

This rite of passage sucks

[void blaze]

I remember I thought AM dmk abilityless was like impossible. then I told a speedrunner about it and they're like "did you try sliding into him to bait him into this one attack that gives drop stars" and sure enough that makes it way easier lol

more bosses need to let you manip them with the slide...

[hushed mica]

ya, it's the quirk with nidl / AM mk

idk if sqsd reacts the same way since it's been sometime, but i doubt it since that AI is completely different than any other knight boss

[hushed mica]

o yeah, kssu mk/gk has this as well, but there's unique stuff if you're directly above or below during the start of glide sword

[honest yarrow]

that ascending lol

[regal pulsar]

gotta love sprites that do this

[void blaze]

I'm glad later designs removed his bicep lol

[regal pulsar]

oh wait i get whatu mean. yeah i did not like it LOL

[pearl fjord]

Oh you actually tried it im so sorry

Rite of passage to confirm you know why ss is overrated and sucks ass

[mint token]

this is why i want to get katrodd

[valid locust]

don't mind me I don't want it to get lost

[scarlet sierra]

Ah you finished it

Well done!

[open magnet]

For magolor epilogue

Do I only need gold medal for 100%

[wispy crypt]

Yeah you need Gold Medals on all regular stages to reach the Extra Stage

No need to get Gold Medal on Extra Stage to complete Epilogue 100% though, just complete every stage

[open magnet]

Is there platinum medal?

[flat hinge]

Yeah

You don’t need platinums for 100%

[limpid harbor]

you get bragging rights though

[valid locust]

legends say that if you get all platinums you become german but idk how true that is

[sturdy ore]

New language skill for free? Better got on that.

[wicked wolf]

How did you KNOWWWW

[limpid harbor]

turning into typman

[rugged slate]

Why isn't sakurai in the interview???? He's kirby's dad and worked in every single kirby game!!1!1??1?1?1?1/j

[flat hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/963054973640400918/1094276867168665661/uUHlrzhh.gif

[regal pulsar]

HDJALSDHASFHLASF

[limpid harbor]

lmfao who made this 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[sturdy ore]

H@Hv

[scarlet sierra]

@livid tulip You do not deserve to miss out on this masterpiece

[limpid harbor]

do NOT drink the platinum potion you will turn GERMAN

[dense iron]

Me

Actually bold on

[coarse blaze]

Reading the interview, I find it cute 'Helper Magolor' was included because two of the directors are parents of young children themselves and envisioned their kids trying to play the game

[dense iron]

The platinum potion.....

I'm MAD i could have made the faces more insane but faces are not my strongsuit...yet

[limpid harbor]

my reaction

[true heath]

This potion compels you to platinum all challenge stages on extra mode

[dense iron]

I have done that

Twice

It's about to be 3 times

[limpid harbor]

i like rtdx too but i cannot fathom 100% three times

[dense iron]

I am currently on extra mode on both file 1 and 2 with magoland fully completed on both

mb file 2 and 3

lmao

[limpid harbor]

jarvis what is the definition of insanity

[dense iron]

When the voices in my head tell me to do something....I obey

[livid tulip]

Why. Why does it turn into Amongus.

[dense iron]

Drinking the PLATINUM POTION at 3 AM

[hushed pine]

@valid locust could you give some insight into "good player behavior" here? I don't understand it. Thanks!

I wanted to see if I could compose a friendly message without "lol" and now I think I've just communicated to Gigi that I hate her guts

[limpid harbor]

I HATE YOU lol

[dense iron]

WHY DOES THIS SOUND SO PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE LOL

like i know it's supposed to be a friendly message but when I first saw it I thought it was a threat

[hushed pine]

EXACTLY

we have crippled ourselves

[dense iron]

I think that's what makes it funny though

[hushed pine]

We cannot go without lol

Lol is the backbone

[limpid harbor]

same reason why saying okay sounds passive aggressive

[hushed pine]

okay

[limpid harbor]

ok

[hushed pine]

OK ->

[dense iron]

okay = you have 1 day to live

[limpid harbor]

okay lol

[coarse blaze]

Think this is the first I've seen Hi-Jump be listed as someone's favorite ability

[ripe mulch]

My mother routinely types "ok.." as a response to stuff. Two dots. I have to carefully regulate my reaction because it sounds beyond passive aggressive

[dense iron]

QUIRKY

ANIMATRONICS

[limpid harbor]

the two dots does not help

[flat hinge]

(he is lying)

[ripe mulch]

It's pain lol

[valid locust]

sorry to ask but is this a joke or serious

[hushed pine]

Serious

Lol

[dense iron]

Yes

[hushed pine]

LOL. I said it

Imagine I left it out again

I want her dead

She thinks she comet

[limpid harbor]

ARE YOU SRS OR J

[hushed pine]

I do want to know what it means

[flat hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-meteor-comet-asteroid-nasa-gif-17092869

you

[dense iron]

It burned out...Leo was truly limited

[flat hinge]

death for berryboy…

[valid locust]

man I would need to check the original japanese which I cannot right now but I think it means like, player controls????

player gameplay

[true heath]

good for letting me know that you have nothing else going on in your life!

/j

[sturdy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-broken-fingers-broken-hands-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-12264054

Me after platinuming all challenge stages

[stark bane]

NO WAY! They put Roar of Dedede as HR-D3’s final phase?

[limpid harbor]

that was such a cool change

[scarlet sierra]

Grand Doomer's theme was better!
...Also doesn't it's internal file imply it was the GCN Mecha Theme?

[flat hinge]

roar of dedede is so good

when it started playing it caught me so off guard and it was great

[warm sun]

I kinda wish they kept Landia’s theme honestly

Like, Roar of Dedede sounds too upbeat for it?

[flat hinge]

honestly it’s more like “now he’s pissed”

[warm sun]

Makes sense ig

[wispy crypt]

Now it really is a Kirby GCN reference

[wicked wolf]

Dededestroyer Z would've been cool tbh

Not complaining about Roar of Dedede tho lol

[wispy crypt]

Would've been funny tbh

But fr though Forgotten Land needs a valid shill

[earnest sphinx]

It already plays Scattered Souls Across Isolated Isles in the collapsing dimension levels of Epilogue

[wispy crypt]

(Tbh that kinda weirded me out because "wtf is the new world leitmotif doing in another dimension")

Also we have Northeast Frost Street in the new non-ending Staff roll

[open magnet]

How do I get to the hal room in mago épi?

[open magnet]

Holy shit I did it

[dense iron]

I do......I just balance my time well so I can waste time efficiently

[pearl fjord]

Apparently 挙動 'behavior' is a term that might mean physics, movement, or action when used in the context of gaming. So I guess by 'good player behavior' here they mean how the game feels responsive and stuff to player input, hence they made it 'even more comfortable to play'

It does seem like really weird wording to me

[hushed pine]

Interesting

So like, could it mean "no more wiimote dpad"?

[hushed pine]

WOW HE REALLY DID JUST IGNORE THE SQSQ REFERENCE LMAO

That was hilarious

"I don't think the games need to follow directly, they just kind of happen as events in Dream Land"
"Wow, the intro to RtDL really looks like it leads from SqSq! Wink wink..."
"...I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Moving on, speaking of the Halberd."

PREACH PREACH PREACH PREACH

WAIT

HUH??????

[exotic geode]

play what?

[hushed pine]

KUMAZAKI'S FAVORITE ENEMY IS PACLOUD????????

[hushed pine]

Merry Magoland

ANYWAYS

KUMAZAKI IS THE MOST BASED MAN ALIVE

[flat hinge]

Peak

Peak

[exotic geode]

Bandana Dee is his own character

yay!

[hushed pine]

I cannot believe that his favorite enemy is Pacloud holy crap

I feel so fake for going on about Pacto yesterday now that I know this

I wasn't doing this to chase clout guys

I really do love Pacto with all my heart

[void blaze]

bandana dee 🤝 SU pearl
initially a servant, becomes a genuine friend, uses spear as their primary weapon, has some sort of cloth wrapped around them

so based two media I like coming together

[hushed pine]

Somehow misread that as SSU Pearl

Pearl's debut was technically in Megaton Punch

[void blaze]

Reasonably so bc you wouldn't expect someone to randomly mention steven universe in the kirby chat

[hushed pine]

Or: I'm stupid

But thank you

[void blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/spencer-shay-icarly-may-be-an-idiot-not-stupid-jerry-trainor-gif-17290280

[wispy crypt]

This is how Steven Universe learned to destroy Earth

[void blaze]

this is true he did split the planet in half (kind of technically)

[gritty lava]

One Planet Splits Up into Two

[pearl fjord]

As someone who has spoken with Leo in private I can attest that Leo did always love Pacloud but also he is in fact a clout chaser kill him

[hushed pine]

We could think about the cluster buried at the center of the earth's core
Or we could think about the hardware changes to RtDX so that we don't have to change batteries anymore

[pearl fjord]

kill him kill him kill him

KILL HIM

KILL LEO HE IS CHASING CLOUT

[wispy crypt]

No way Amazing Mirror???

[exotic geode]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-murderer-kirby-gun-gif-25214272

[flat hinge]

you are banned from the waddle dee town for inappropriate behavior

[hushed pine]

Please help clout is chasing me

[maiden quest]

fun fact: in the magolor epiloge intro, instead of using magolor soul being defeated, they instead use magolor soul EX. its kinda hard to notice, but the crown is what gave it away. I guess this means that the extra mode is the canon part of the game

sorry for the mild spoilers

[pearl fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-resident-evil2-terraria-pikmin-fecto-forgo-gif-25237248

[scarlet sierra]

Manmade horrors beyond my comprehension jumpscare

[maiden quest]

sorry if this is annoying, but did you see my thing above?

[warm sun]

The Invasive Species is coming

[pearl fjord]

Everybody knows, game's been out for 2.5 months and the spoiler period for it ended more than a month ago

[maiden quest]

sorry for being dum then

thats how i usually am

[terse gazelle]

Hey Do They Ever Canonically Explain The Moving Wall In The A.D. Sections?

[void blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-din-djarin-that-makes-two-of-us-you-and-me-both-mandalorian-gif-23421001

[wicked wolf]

It's implied design-wise that it might be from the portals you enter them with.

Like, that the portals get unstable so the dimension collapses through the wall or smth

Is how I always took it

[void blaze]

I imagine it's some sort of side effect of the dimensional portal between realms or whatever causing it to collapse

Yeah that basically

But I don't know if they've ever given an actual explanation like you asked

now I'm curious if they have

[terse gazelle]

IT'S JUST LIKE PIECE OF TOWEL!!!!!!!!!!

[void blaze]

A wha

[ripe mulch]

The battle arena with Magolor starts collapsing with the same wall before Landia grabs you and everyone escapes, so yeah something like that anyway

[void blaze]

wait what I forgot that happened

shoot...

[ripe mulch]

I only remember because I literally finished that battle again in extra mode a few days ago

Ok, I just checked. It's not identical but there is a wave of "stuff" that moves over the screen after Landia grabs everyone with similar vibes to the wall

[mint token]

my favorite ability is morpho knight sword

[mint token]

plot twist : kirby finds out the internet and turns into a destruction of violence

[ripe mulch]

Huh?

[void blaze]

well if he's destroying violence then that's a good thing!

[wild frost]

After a failed SMEX run, I can confirm that controlling Magolor in ME is better compared to SA lmfao

[solar nest]

cancel culture ability

[pearl fjord]

They mention that the dimension closes over time in the Deluxe descriptions
Whatever that means

[hushed pine]

Wonder if the sphere is stabilizing the path

Which is why the Lor needs them to travel

(Note: the Lor does NOT need them to travel. It needs them to make funny little obstacle courses)

[pearl fjord]

Well lor-wise (haha) the energy spheres do in fact contain the power to cross dimensions

But yes technically in the story of rtdl the lor doesn't actually need any of them to be fixed and they just power the... fucking doors on the inside

[wicked wolf]

Imagine if the Lor fight's difficulty changes depending on how many spheres you have lmfao

[pearl fjord]

So true

[hushed pine]

something something we wanted to maintain the legacy of the old game blah blah

[unkempt nimbus]

I thought it was standard Magolor Soul

[pearl fjord]

They're just confused about what the names are

Btw reminder that the fact that they didn't change the skip to be after the AD section is the worst thing about the remake

[hushed pine]

this is hardcoded facts

It would have been cool to have it split into two like 3DX onwards

or maybe just like 3DX and PR, I guess SA doesn't do that

now I have to ask if FL does that I have no idea

I never revisit boss levels lol

[pearl fjord]

No leo the split started in RtDL

It's just that split skips nothing but landia

[hushed pine]

No, not that

How when you select the final stage in 3DX a menu pops up that says "Fight the Master of Puppetry or the Sorceress Behind It All" or whatever

[pearl fjord]

Yea

That's in RtDL

[hushed pine]

in RtDL if you go in the Landia door you fight landia, and if you go past Dangerous Dinner on the-- what.

[flat hinge]

ya

[hushed pine]

what.

[pearl fjord]

You can choose to fight Landia or you can choose to go to "Final Challenge"

Which is the entirety of AD and then Lor Starcutter

[hushed pine]

From the same spot, the door at the top of the Dangerous Dinner level select?

[pearl fjord]

yes

[hushed pine]

THEN WHY DOES THE WORLD 8 PANEL EVEN EXIST

[pearl fjord]

There's no world 8 panel

[hushed pine]

no

no no nuh-uh

There is a spot on the world map past Dangerous Dinner is there not

This isn't a bit don't go getting suspicious on me

[pearl fjord]

no that's just landia's boss door

[hushed pine]

I would have put actual money on that

hooooly

I'm the #1 RtDL fan guys

[pearl fjord]

leo are you saying its new to dx or was it in the wii one

[hushed pine]

The wii one

a little circle on the world map

[pearl fjord]

yea no

[flat hinge]

No spot here

Crumble

[hushed pine]

I'm ill

[pearl fjord]

But yea FL and SA have it too
It's just not a menu option in FL

[hushed pine]

consider my above messages to come from a parallel timeline where I'm right

Otherwise I would have just agreed with you Faye lol

[flat hinge]

FL doesn’t need it you can just go right to lab discovera on the map

[pearl fjord]

Yea that's what I mean by it's not an option on the menu

[hushed pine]

So do you skip both Dedede and Leongar, or just Dedede

[pearl fjord]

In the Presence of the King is the final level of the final world

And then the map Lab Discovera is the equivalent to the old menu option to skip the earlier bosses in the finale

[flat hinge]

After Dedede you go to lab discovera

[pearl fjord]

Not on the map you don't

[flat hinge]

So yeah it just skips the dedede fight you still gotta fight leongar

[pearl fjord]

It's an automatic transition to world 8

I mean