Return to Dream Land Deluxe

[hushed mica]

rtdl galacta has a slow dash attack compared to the ones beyond rtdl

[agile tinsel]

What? But Spark is one of the easiest abilities to beat GK with, in RTDL/DX I mean

[honest yarrow]

ESP was introduced in PR

[undone falcon]

ik

thats why i said if it was in td

at least i have bell

[mint ruin]

Idk he’s way harder to dodge without I frame moves

[undone falcon]

bell my beloved

gonna send this again lol

i did this

[honest yarrow]

iirc RtDL GK can't use the Triple Crescent Beams

[mint ruin]

This may just be my hammer experience tho

[agile tinsel]

Undoubtly, but at least Spark does a lot of damage to GK, it can end the fight very quickly

[mint ruin]

True

[honest yarrow]

Triple Crescent Beam is actually tricky because it aims

[mint ruin]

Bombs are easily the hardest with GK

[honest yarrow]

it still aims when you jump

[agile tinsel]

I never tried Hi-Jump against GK, it must not be fun

[honest yarrow]

RtDL Hi-Jump is just not fun

[mint ruin]

From the three I beat it with

[ripe mulch]

I still haven't gotten through extra mode to give DX true arena a go yet, but usually the trade-off with spark is no iframe moves, but if you can get some distance the big spark blast is easy to melt some health. Plus the games that give it motion controls make it really easy to charge

[agile tinsel]

You have to hope GK doesn't block your attack, because if it does, you don't do damage, and the hitbox damages you

[mint ruin]

I love abilities that are strong without being cheap

[honest yarrow]

in Japan RtDL Hi-Jump got the nickname あのコピー (THAT ability)

[undone falcon]

oh my god

lmao

[hushed mica]

should've given hi-jump the ability to cancel mid flight like adventure

[undone falcon]

no one likes hi jump ig

[agile tinsel]

Fun to play in vertical levels, at least.

[honest yarrow]

and Kumazaki actually rewrote the Hi-Jump description

[undone falcon]

what about the ability to change from dashing vertically to horizontally?

[silk frost]

Pff

[mint ruin]

I saw a video of someone beating this true arena with high jump

[undone falcon]

oh god

[honest yarrow]

The hero returns

[undone falcon]

lmfao

thats cute

[honest yarrow]

(returns with no buff)

[agile tinsel]

I still don't understand how Sand is a really fast ability to speedrun Arenas.

The Sand Punch does a good deal of damage, but other than that, I haven't found what makes it very good

[mint ruin]

It would’ve been so funny if they buffed its damage to the point of it being a meta copy ability for bosses 💀

[honest yarrow]

in Japanese it's ふっかつのヒーロー (litl. the reviving/returning hero)

[wicked wolf]

LOL

[honest yarrow]

Sand Hurricane

that move does 72 damage in total

and can be connected with Sand Geyser

which is a better Hi-Jump

[silk frost]

What one is sand hurricane?

[honest yarrow]

normally it's up + hold B

but if you press up + B during Sand Geyser it can be used as well

[silk frost]

Ah, the up attack

[honest yarrow]

so Sand has top tier DPS both on ground and aerial

[agile tinsel]

I tested it yesterday, and it wasn't that fast honestly. Surely I am doing it wrong.

Is it true that Sand has the fastest True Arena WR at the moment?

[silk frost]

How good is sandcastle for dps?

[honest yarrow]

the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9yZTmec3B8

[mint ruin]

Bomb is a super fun true arena ability for this game

[honest yarrow]

actually quite good for opening setup

and it can be used midair which is also a bonus point

[agile tinsel]

Oh wow, so it is actually the fastest ability, even more than Dedede

[silk frost]

I saw a post on Tumblr about beating TA with sand geyser + sandcastle spam

[odd rampart]

Sand inheriting a Hammer-Flick-esque move that charges fast, large hitbox, and can wait indefinitely is like

so fucking funny

[honest yarrow]

you see
HAL knows how to make Hi-Jump good but decided to give it to Sand

[agile tinsel]

Sand being better than Mecha is a thing I would have never expected

[mint ruin]

The moment I saw the sand guard move, I just knew it would be the ability everyone would use to cheese

[odd rampart]

ya but the cheese isnt the part thats broken

[mint ruin]

The DPS is nuts

[honest yarrow]

for comparison, Circus' Hi-Jump move is more balanced

[odd rampart]

I LOVE CIRCUS HI-JUMP WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sand is like if you added KSA gamefeel to RtDL tbh tbh

[true aspen]

Whispy woods

Master crown

[hybrid zodiac]

HOW

[true aspen]

I wonder when we can talk about it in Kirby kingdom

[hushed mica]

pretty impressive to see sand beat phase 1 HR-d3 in a single cycle

[solemn sorrel]

So glad that i can finally say this after spoiler embargo is gone

Magolor betrays you

[odd rampart]

these jokes are a decade old

anyway does Sand just have the ability to do multiple Sandstorms/Hurricans in midair after a Sand Geyser??

i just noticed it could do it after getting hit

[honest yarrow]

only once

[odd rampart]

Ah

So the rest is just the weaker ones

[honest yarrow]

the sound effects are different

[odd rampart]

Subtly unfair that sand's sandstorm/hurricane attacks have that like ability to just keep existing despite Kirby getting knocked out of it

[hushed mica]

it is a projectile im assuming

[honest yarrow]

when Whispy dies to sand hurricane while Kirby is getting chewed

[odd rampart]

RIGHT?

Sand would be so annoying in a KF3

ADD IT IN!

[honest yarrow]

also this is my personal opinion
ME bosses aren't that hard and it's certain they are equal to the EX variants
but their different patterns from EX variants could actually catch veteran players off guard

[solemn sorrel]

Make sure to nerf hammer 20 more times im KF3

[honest yarrow]

when you are used to the faster jumps of Dooter EX
then you meet the slower jumps of Electricky plus the shockwaves

[odd rampart]

theyre only harder when youre a person who did No-Upgrades Magolor Epilogue playing Magolor Epilogue

I'm still so proud my first run of Mago-logue is no upgrades

[brazen laurel]

Eh thats hydriath and electricky doomer

Fiery puffer is just hell

[honest yarrow]

Fiery Puffer just inheirts Pyrrbit's time wasting skills

[brazen laurel]

Especially if u dont kill it before it does the big spin around the room mpve

[hushed mica]

i like that they gave fiery puffer a turn around b4 the roll in phase 2

[odd rampart]

well Fatty Puffer is Pyribbit's precursor

tbh

they looked at Fatty Puffer's invincible rolling and thought what if instead of invincible rolling in the battle field it was rolling/bouncing in the background where you cant even hit em!

[brazen laurel]

The big figure 8 move is one of the worst moves to fight in the series

[brazen laurel]

Nah see thats the easier one

[honest yarrow]

luckily most abilities can stop the figure 8 rolls in the True Arena

[odd rampart]

yes but it sure is timewastey

[brazen laurel]

Wdym stop

[odd rampart]

stop as in defeat the boss before it does that

[brazen laurel]

Ah

Well ideally

[honest yarrow]

but the phase 2 roll
some abilities just can't

[odd rampart]

whats the abilities that cant

[honest yarrow]

Leaf can't

[odd rampart]

on the figure 8 roll

i mean

[honest yarrow]

for figure 8
Hi-Jump for sure

[odd rampart]

F for Hi-Jump

[solemn sorrel]

Adventure dedede taunting kirby by taking a swim in the fountain of dreams, which is in the background, making him invincible

[odd rampart]

truly an ability that got phased out not by one ability but like

Several

ya got Circus Trampoline

Sand Geyser

even fuckin Spider Web Bounce

[solemn sorrel]

FL Hammer

[undone falcon]

leaf pillar

whatever its called lol

[solemn sorrel]

Marx

[odd rampart]

leaf doesnt have a hi jump attack

[undone falcon]

oh shit

[solemn sorrel]

Leaf has an uppercut

Called leaf uppercut

[undone falcon]

dammit i didnt read the other messages 💀

mb

spear?

not spear

dammit

STAFF

[solemn sorrel]

Grand Doomer

[odd rampart]

ehhh Staff's bit different

[undone falcon]

staff has that weird jump thing you can chain

[odd rampart]

Staff Pole Vault is meant to go forward not upward

[undone falcon]

yeah true

does tornado count?

[honest yarrow]

also that chain combo is weak

[odd rampart]

chain combo... Relentless Staff?

[honest yarrow]

yes

[odd rampart]

ironically, Pole Vault is some of the highest DPS it can do

[undone falcon]

wait really?

[odd rampart]

but not the attack that comes after

[undone falcon]

i didnt know that lol

[honest yarrow]

Staff is okayish in Soul Melter but not so in EX because there are more aerial bosses

[odd rampart]

at least it has Spinning Staff

[undone falcon]

im glad esp is in star allies

as you can see by my ability

i love esp

[odd rampart]

idk the staff speedrun strats but I just do Long Jab, Counter, Pole Vault, and then Spinning Staff

[undone falcon]

if bell was there tho

i woulda picked that

[odd rampart]

evertyhing else kinda gets you hit

which is ironic considering its the weapon with the longest melee range

[undone falcon]

i love esp cause you can make it go anywhere

and you have that invincible dash

[odd rampart]

ID LOVE BELL ON SWITCH

locked in the KF2 vault

[undone falcon]

ME TOO

ik 😔

[honest yarrow]

I also don't like how Staff performs in KF2

it's just weak

[undone falcon]

if the next kirby game has bell imma pop off

[odd rampart]

Ya but i have fun with it

i beat up someone once with counters

[undone falcon]

i'll post this here too

[odd rampart]

surprisingly not as laggy as i thought'd be

[honest yarrow]

I don't know why HAL gives Mecha a counter attack

[odd rampart]

the netcode

[honest yarrow]

Mecha's counter is just useless in general

[odd rampart]

Mecha Counter Attack is so weird

[undone falcon]

mecha is kinda overpowered lol

[odd rampart]

i dont think i even know what it does

[undone falcon]

doesnt it like just shock the enemy?

[odd rampart]

does it like... explode

[honest yarrow]

basically it auto aims and punches the closest enemy

but the punch only has 26 base power
Staff's counter has 40

[odd rampart]

Staff also has a large fuck you circle radius

[honest yarrow]

plus the shockwave (4 power) connects to the punch and the combo weakens the punch itself

so it's just useless in TA

[hushed mica]

moveset bloat

[odd rampart]

im so full of weird moves Yum

[undone falcon]

is the laser move even that powerful?

the fully charged one

[honest yarrow]

yes

42 damage in total

[undone falcon]

oh

[honest yarrow]

Spark/Plasma Bullet is 40

[undone falcon]

yknow that quick laser move mecha has?

[odd rampart]

OH IS IT ACTUALLY JUST AS STRONG

thats so fucking funny

guess that shows how measuring screens in pre-release media gets you

[honest yarrow]

the quick combo is just weird

[undone falcon]

im not sure

thats what i was gonna ask

[honest yarrow]

DMK commands are less demanding for me at least

[odd rampart]

tbh I love it when Kirby dips into fucking

Fighting Game Input territory

[rustic wren]

hiii can anyone help me with a translation thing rq?

[honest yarrow]

thank you Sakurai

[rustic wren]

i was wondering what this particular missions says in japanese:

"Defeat the Squeaks on Level 3 - Make all of the thieving mice known as the Squeaks fall during a single game on Level 3."

[odd rampart]

Sakurai's best contribution to the series for me

[rustic wren]

english version calls them mice so i was wondering if japanese version either stuck to this or was something else

[silk frost]

Instant mega force blast

[exotic geode]

Me wondering is it more accurate to call Kirby a beat 'em up than a platformer

[honest yarrow]

remember when in the original RtDL you have to hold down (iirc 14F) then up to use Rainbow Rain

[odd rampart]

its an action platformer :P

[undone falcon]

there's an ability called fighter lol

[exotic geode]

It's an Action-Puzzle-Platformer

[hushed mica]

eh, it feels the same for me if I were to compare it to DMK's meteor edge spam

[odd rampart]

seriously the only times you platform in Kirby is hwen he's holding an item (whether in his hands or mouth) and when you're Magolor Epiloguing

[exotic geode]

me when Kirby can just fly above all his enemies:

[odd rampart]

and the latter is if you didnt upgrade flying

[undone falcon]

i like the verb epiloguing

[silk frost]

Mario sunshine has a jetpack

[exotic geode]

both are true...

[hushed mica]

got really tired of it trying to beat parallel woods using meteor edge b4 it does the inhale

[undone falcon]

fludd

[exotic geode]

Doesn't it have a limit tho?

[undone falcon]

yes

[silk frost]

Yeah but still

[exotic geode]

like Kirby can stay in the air indefinitely

[undone falcon]

kirby has a limit in 64 and fl tho

[odd rampart]

Oh the downward sword thing is Meteor Edge?

[hushed mica]

ya

[honest yarrow]

「レベル3」で 1ゲーム中に
ネズミの かいとう ドロッチェ団たちを
ぜんいん おとす

[exotic geode]

make sense for FL... why for 64?

[hushed mica]

it's one of dmk's best dps move other than crosscut

[rustic wren]

ahh thx!!

[exotic geode]

Does Nutty Noon distort space-time?

[honest yarrow]

"Knock out all members of the mice thives known as the Squeaks"

[hushed mica]

dmk's crosscut is generally better for locking the boss in place since you can somewhat stunlock by repeatedly using it, but meteor edge is better for burst damage at times

[exotic geode]

Do you guys think Nutty Noon distort Space-time?

[silk frost]

The background for like half the world suggests that or something similar is the case with how wack it is

[undone falcon]

idk

[exotic geode]

I would want to push forth the theory that- Nutty Noon is in fact, Nuts

[honest yarrow]

experimental purpose I guess

[rustic wren]

i think its just grand doomer that does that

[undone falcon]

i mean it's called NUTTY noon for a reason

[silk frost]

When the tower is so tall that there's a whole level to go through to get to its entrance and the start of the level is flying up with a warp star and the top of the tower looks like it's basically in space I'd say it's reasonable to say there's some weird crap going on in nutty noon

[exotic geode]

Nutty Noon distort space time theory

[silk frost]

Why does the sky tower exist what purpose does it serve

[undone falcon]

idk

butter building reference

[honest yarrow]

probably in the Kirby GCN project folder

[exotic geode]

especially the fact that Magoland is access through Another Dimension...

Nutty Noon showed it in the First stage, but it's also where you fight the Grand Doomer in Another Dimension

[honest yarrow]

because Sky Tower being a leitmotif definitely means something in the original project

[silk frost]

Butter building is more reasonable

[undone falcon]

true

i feel like they wanted to reference it

cause the games about going back to kirby's roots lol

hm

[silk frost]

Is the grand doomer fight really in AD? That doesn't seem right

[exotic geode]

I mean, the background looks like it

[silk frost]

I think the butter building levels don't have quite as much verticality as the nutty noon levels

[exotic geode]

IDK if it's in Another Dimension

[silk frost]

Oh it does

[honest yarrow]

funny thing
the scrolling tower mechanics of Butter Building is probably better presented in 64 and PR

[silk frost]

I mean I did hear something a while ago about sky tower reaching up to AD or some crap like that

[exotic geode]

I'm just gonna say Nutty Noon distorts space and time

hence 'Nutty'

[silk frost]

I'd say it's something with the tower and not with the region itself

[undone falcon]

so is ad just in the sky then?

i mean

the lor came out of a random portal in the sky

[silk frost]

Literally called Another Dimension

[exotic geode]

the tower so high, it distorted laws of reality...

[honest yarrow]

also the Nutty Noon's top tower resembles DL2 Dedede Tower
I don't know what it could have been in Kirby GCN

[silk frost]

But like tower of babel

[undone falcon]

so maybe there's just a portal to ad in the sky for some reason

then again

maybe grand doomer could have been why

[exotic geode]

So the reason why you see Magoland (according to an interview, it is access through Another Dimension) because you are looking out of AD?

[silk frost]

I wouldn't be surprised if sky tower is a tower of babel parallel

[undone falcon]

hmmmm

[honest yarrow]

makes sense

[undone falcon]

the sphere doomers only showed up after the lor crashed

[undone falcon]

i guess it only extends so far

i wonder if ad could be like some kinda "dimensional bubble"

[foggy kernel]

Magoland in the background of Nutty Noon level 1:

[exotic geode]

it's level 2

But I have a theory to explain it

[foggy kernel]

Its level 1

[exotic geode]

It's not actually on Current Popstar. You are looking through an opening of Another Dimension

[silk frost]

I hc that doomers feed off of energy (especially magic energy) so they need a power source ti manifest outside of AD and Landia used the doomers to stop magolor from repairing his ship, and energy spheres are conveniently a sufficient energy source for manifesting outside AD

[undone falcon]

rtdl deluxe does say that magoland is on another planet

[silk frost]

Translation stuff

[exotic geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJxuBVYCp00&ab_channel=Samwell

[exotic geode]

I heard they meant Another Dimension

and it's mistranslation

[silk frost]

Whatever is happening in nutty noon it's not normal

[exotic geode]

Either Grand Doomer distorts space-time

or the Tower itself does that

[silk frost]

There's also shotzos at the top of the tower for some reason

[exotic geode]

hmmm...

[undone falcon]

huh

[exotic geode]

I'm going to push my Magoland isn't in Popstar, it's viewed through Another Dimension on Nutty Noon stage 2

[exotic geode]

I'm not sure. I need the original Japanese text

[plucky monolith]

in JP version it just says 'some world' there
but yeah in general it is implied to not be in main world

[exotic geode]

should I push my theory about Magoland?

[undone falcon]

i wonder if that means it could be in another dimension (NOT THE PLACE CALLED AD LOL)

[undone falcon]

i wanna hear it

[honest yarrow]

I don't know why Landia still has the crown in Magoland but whatever

[exotic geode]

Basically, the only reason why you are able to see it on Stage 2 of Nutty Noon is because of the area's space-time problem. It's not on Popstar, you are viewing it through the result of Grand Doomer's presence.

[silk frost]

Maybe we should call AD Another Dimension Road since its primary role is serving as a road between dimensions

[exotic geode]

It's a toy replica imo

[undone falcon]

i was wondering if it was that

maybe its a replica lol

[exotic geode]

the crown is a replica or not the real deal

[undone falcon]

ah crap

my message didnt get sent

[honest yarrow]

I saw it

[undone falcon]

thats what i was thinkin lol

[undone falcon]

i meant the replica one

it didnt come through before 4bit one's did

[exotic geode]

I mean... Kirby destory it so bad, and Magolor destroy what's left.

and maybe the Landia just want to wear it

so they make a replica

[undone falcon]

yeah

who made the replica tho?

probably magolor

wait

ik magolor isn't an ancient

[exotic geode]

He did make the Clash Gears

I think?

[undone falcon]

but i forgot if he's related to them or not

[undone falcon]

probably then

[exotic geode]

think he read about them

[undone falcon]

oh

[exotic geode]

he mentions reading a book that's like a Fairy tale

[undone falcon]

wait

meta knight is reading a book at the start of the game

could that mean...

[exotic geode]

It could be some random book

[undone falcon]

META KNIGHT IS AN ANCIENT /j

[sacred mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p32P54LNIpI

[undone falcon]

ik lmao

[undone falcon]

yooo???

[regal pulsar]

Ahh peak dropped again I'll watch it when I wake up from my second slunber of the night

[undone falcon]

touhou??????

idk i dont listen to much touhou

anyways HOLY VOID THIS SLAPS

wait

is this the TA magolor soul theme

[random pine]

yeah

[undone falcon]

ah sick

look i promise

gimme a week

and i'll know everything about rtdx

cause i'll have beaten it

wait it says its the star allies one

oops lol

[hidden dock]

this is insanely good

[undone falcon]

i agree

[velvet pumice]

https://youtu.be/62adshvqJIs

[undone falcon]

bro is cracked at the game

[young arrow]

Checking on the chat, i see y'all talked about merry magoland and

honestly

[velvet pumice]

Can't wait to see a 10k combo video

[young arrow]

I don't think it's in other universe, rather that it happens on the future
I believe in that one theory seen on the previous RTDL Spoilers Chat

That said that Merry Magoland happens after Super Kirby Clash, Star allies etc. and Magolor fully redeemed himself and finally could build his theme park

[foggy kernel]

Still doesn't answer why are there Magoland tickets around or why the masks are carriable to story mode

[young arrow]

Wait i just re-read the message

Hm
Well, maybe the carrying the masks to the story mode isn't a canon thing

its something that us the players do for fun in gameplay, but it doesn't actually happen in the real canon story

since Magolor literally doesn't have any reaction at you wearing his traitor or epilogue mask lol

[exotic geode]

because Souvenir Waddle Dee time travel

[young arrow]

Oh yeah true

i forgot he is there

[exotic geode]

he's always there

he's been there since the start

[undone falcon]

in the japanese version it says he built it on "some place"

so

[undone falcon]

just like magalor

him and mask dee have just been observing kirby lol

[silk frost]

Magolor

[honest yarrow]

Magalor Surge flashback

[midnight heart]

the souvenir dee also has dialogue saying they came from somewhere

[ripe mulch]

My personal headcanon is literally every character we've ever met is a descendant of "the ancients" in the same way every human in real life can trace anscestory back to "ancient humans". Mags is definitely a history nerd in my head though

[earnest sphinx]

"magolor is a weeb towards the ancients" is my favorite take on it lol. given how his name literally means "false paradise" the only things i can think of regarding that is that it's not his actual name or his parents hated him

||i personally go with the former, i saw someone hc that his actual name is tamago and that's too hilarious/perfect to pass up||

[ripe mulch]

I kinda see it like maybe it's just old word roots and whomever named him, whether family or himself, wasn't thinking about the deeper meaning. Just like how not every person making a baby is looking up all the possible meanings of the names they choose - maybe they just like the way it sounds

That was supposed to say "naming" a baby, but the sentence still works

[hybrid zodiac]

He's an acientaboo

[earnest sphinx]

LOL

[undone falcon]

oh my god

[earnest sphinx]

it's great

[undone falcon]

whys it spoiler tagged tho lol

oh my fucking god

it means egg

are you kidding me

this is his canon name now

[earnest sphinx]

[silk frost]

That needs to be canon

[earnest sphinx]

ah, spoiler tag combined with strikeout text is my variant of /hj

[undone falcon]

ah i getcha

tamago

is canon

[hardy rapids]

bro i had to use like 16 energy drinks and like 4 maximatoes for magalor soul true arena

thank god i grinded magoland before true arena

[undone falcon]

i only read the first part and was worried for your wellbeing for a sec there lmao

[hardy rapids]

ahaaaa

ight

so a youtube comment has enlightened me

in true arena

magalor literally dies

like

no magalor epilogue

because the crown doesn’t shatter

[silk frost]

He gets haltmann'd but worse

[hardy rapids]

yeah

damn

but atleast we know that ain’t canon

haltmann is i’m pretty sure

[hardy rapids]

only because magalor epilogue and star allie’s and clash

it is scary though to think what if true arena was canon

[undone falcon]

ITS THE THEME FOR ROBOBOT

kinda

[undone falcon]

i mean

you can hear his cries for help in the TA theme for him

huh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ44qSGc1BU

this sounds like something outta super star or dl3 lol

[sturdy ore]

To the prime universe

[silk frost]

TA mags soul never gets destroyed so the fragments of magolor's soul never get put to rest or whatever

[tawdry stream]

I'd just sum it up to [remake], there doesn't have to be an explanation imo

if anything, not having masks usable in main story would be questionable

it's like... following the rules to a fault

[wicked wolf]

https://media.giphy.com/media/DQjZBh7NqH8gjO3O5V/giphy.gif

[scarlet sierra]

Ugghh the eye rolling up as it falls in

This is a bad way to go

[random pine]

where did bro go

[tawdry stream]

Fecto messing around with portals pre-atfl only to see this dude come through:

[limber vessel]

banished for being too greedy

[sacred mango]

eye

[random pine]

"mmmm croissant"

[odd rampart]

wait a minute

the original boss death from Wii also had that clawing outwards thing for some reason

which was like Sort of Makes sense

but it makes way more sense when theyres a portal behind them

[mint notch]

When magolor gets sent to team Kirby clash deluxe but the 3ds e-shop got shut down

[fiery veldt]

HE GOT BANISHED

eh I'm sure that he finds a way out tho

[mighty pendant]

Is the extra mode basically the same as story mode but hard

Same in terms of length

[random pine]

yeah

[random pine]

permadeath

[silk frost]

"Hard"

Half health, some extra enemies

[mighty pendant]

Would love to 100% a slot but finding the energy spheres again…

[random pine]

artificial difficulty

[mighty pendant]

eeughhhhj

[limber vessel]

this is like the first hard mode that i actually had a hard time with

[silk frost]

Bosses and minibosses get new attacks

[random pine]

yuck!!!

[mint notch]

“He was sealed away for fear his lies were too great”

[random pine]

sealed away in a shoppe that will forever be gone

a fitting end

[silk frost]

Artificial difficulty my hated

[odd rampart]

wh

how the FUCK is it artificial

[wicked wolf]

The last Magolor Day has ended awhile ago for me y'all

RIP

[random pine]

the levels are the same

[silk frost]

The halved health is the biggest artifical difficulty

[odd rampart]

HOW IS THAT ARTIFICIAL.

[random pine]

the

[odd rampart]

the

[silk frost]

The bosses and minibosses are fine

[sacred mango]

I wouldn't say artificial

but it's cheap

aside from bosses

bosses are the only thing not cheap of Extra Mode because they're good

[inner jetty]

oh yeah i just remembered something

[sacred mango]

But I really thought the same thing back then in 2011

[inner jetty]

the Extra Mode changes are like the Spring-Breeze mode changes in FL

where they put a lot of changes in the first level and then afterwards barely change anything

[sacred mango]

in 2011 it was already kind of an outdated thing to do imo

It's not very interesting in terms of difficulty imo

for shorter games it's fine

but for a pretty long game I think it overstays its welcome

[inner jetty]

i think it would have been interesting with more visual changes

[sacred mango]

and needs to be more interesting

[silk frost]

Extra mode is just something you do to unlock TA and for completion

[inner jetty]

like maybe if every (or at least, most common ones) enemy had a pallete swap

not just the bosses

[sacred mango]

but I wouldn't say artificial

because if it was artificial it would have bullshit difficulty

[silk frost]

Cookie country but the green is replaced with red

[sacred mango]

where it's just really forced

here it's not forced

there's still an attempt

but it's cheap

[silk frost]

Dollar store difficulty

[mint notch]

Extra mode itself was just a last minute addition so it’d make sense that it was kinda dumb and cheap in place with the lack of thought put into it

[inner jetty]

artificial difficulty would be having to replay the game again just to see the ending

[mint notch]

Omg yes lmao

[sacred mango]

It was the only mode where I wanted real changes

instead they just did the original idea but better

but that original idea is still not good lol

[inner jetty]

i mean the only actual new change i felt in extra mode is more enemies

[sacred mango]

yeah

but it's still cheap

[silk frost]

The one singular extra enemy I noticed in extra mode was the 1-1 gordo

[sacred mango]

for me it needs to be more than just that

it's where I would have wanted to play the rest of the cast

[inner jetty]

people say that the other characters should have been playable but that would kinda defeat the point of it having levels designed around kirby

[sacred mango]

or different level design outright

I think there's no choice but to redo level design

[inner jetty]

maybe they should have put that thing from the original game where if you exit you lose all your gained lives and just restart from 7

[sacred mango]

for me it's the only way to make Extra mode interesting

[void blaze]

the ONE THING that would have redeemed it for me is if they added clash remixes for the boss themes

[sacred mango]

nah that wouldn't redeem it for me

lol

[void blaze]

like I wanna listen to clash rtdl boss and grand doomer

ok lmao fair it's still ass

but it would have been nice,,,

[silk frost]

Clash has great music imo

[inner jetty]

honestly the clash remixes aren't good so the only thing i'd gain from them is music titles

[sacred mango]

The thing about Extra mode

the bosses are the good part

I don't want that part to be even better

lol

I want the rest of the mode to be better lol

[void blaze]

I just wish they turned it into bandana deetour or whatever

[sacred mango]

They could have pulled a New Super Luigi U on it

[void blaze]

I don't wanna replay the entire story mode again lol. trim the fat

[sacred mango]

for me that would have been enough

[odd rampart]

what is new Super luigi u

[inner jetty]

we'd need a lot more inclusive level design because otherwise playing the game means ignoring like 65 of the puzzles

[sacred mango]

could be shorter but sweet levels

[inner jetty]

redesigned or completely new levels

[sacred mango]

New Super Luigi U is a DLC for NSMBU where all the levels are replaced with harder ones

it's the exact same overworld

but the levels are different

it's the same story

[inner jetty]

which was necessary because each level has a 100 second time limit

[silk frost]

The AD segments being designed around kirby's base moveset is great but complicates "the game but with [character]" modes

[sacred mango]

it's the same everything but levels

and for me that could have been enough

if you gave me that

I'm down

I would still play Kirby

[inner jetty]

maybe it could have been funny if each level had a time limit to complete it under

[sacred mango]

but at least I would have new things to do

[void blaze]

could do what the 3ds games did and give BWD puzzle solving abilities. moon drop or down thrust can break silver blocks and pound stakes, copter and moon drop can extinguish fire blocks, add a fire effect to the down sweep, stuff like that

[silk frost]

Redesign the levels to be slightly more like the AD segments but based around the moveset of a different character

[sacred mango]

also you could design it like

each level = one character

[inner jetty]

stressful as hell, but maybe another cheap way to add more difficulty that still adds a new feeling

[sacred mango]

or swap between characters in the level

something like HiAD but focused on solo experiences for each

I'd also be down

also it would make Merry Magoland cooler if I could just select Bandee as P1

[silk frost]

HiaD was very good for how it designs puzzles around the character used for them, use that kind of level design in extra modes

[inner jetty]

yes its called Magolor Epilogue

[sacred mango]

yes but how about the rest of the cast lol

because like

[silk frost]

Yes, ME is amazing game design

[sacred mango]

one of the things about the story is like

all 4 characters looking to help the egg

they could like, seperate to find stuff

lol

and you just follow each of them

I think it could have been cool

[silk frost]

Breath of the wild × amazing mirror

[sacred mango]

but then it removes focus on Kirby

[tawdry stream]

are we talking about extra mode potential

[sacred mango]

the other thing they could do also

is repurpose the levels but in a completely different way

something like FL did

like, more than just different enemy placement

and stuff

[silk frost]

Like isolated isles?

[sacred mango]

yeah

[silk frost]

Or what

Isolated isles is very good

[inner jetty]

i feel like having to redesign so many levels to accommodate these characters defeats the point of it being extra mode

it would be easier to just pallete swap the enemies at that point

[sacred mango]

yeah but palette swap won't work for me lol

I will still feel like I'm doing the same levels

The bosses are more than what they were before

[inner jetty]

it just seems too expensive to deal with, having to go through all these levels and make them work for each character while still remaining at the same quality

[sacred mango]

they're not just a palette swap

yeah and I get that

[tawdry stream]

I get why they did what they did for rtdx specifically
but for future kirby games I think a more remixed EX mode would be really cool yeah
I'll say that I think the levels should still hold semblance to their originals... if they ever mix them up a little for other characters it doesn't have to make a whole different game

[sacred mango]

I'm just going through ideas

What I think is that Extra Mode is still boring

and they needed to do something about that

It's harder than before

but it's not the kind of hard that I like

[silk frost]

Bad difficulty

[sacred mango]

it's cheap

I think half health and just adding more enemies and less heals

that's just cheap

[tawdry stream]

main mode & extra back to back can be a lot yeah
I do think that colour palette swaps could've gone a long way for some of the levels tho tbh

[sacred mango]

it could have helped a bit

but I would still feel like playing the same levels

[random pine]

at least the ad segments look different

[silk frost]

Oh no I'm getting close to ranting about how terraria extra mode and dead cells boss stem cells are amazing examples of difficulty

[sacred mango]

Difficulty shouldn't be just a matter of stats to me

not in a platformer with beat 'em up stuff

[silk frost]

Difficulty should never be stat changes and nothing else

[sacred mango]

I would say that but then I played the shit out of Metroid Dread

in all difficulty levels

which are literally just stat changes

and only made me love it more

[silk frost]

That's not difficult, it's doing the same thing for longer and getting punished harder for messing up

[tawdry stream]

for what it is its a classic-style ex mode, and considering that we've moved past it since rtdl moves me to think rtdx is the only oddball out
future EX modes will be more evolved than rtdl's

[tawdry stream]

hollow knight too lol

[sacred mango]

But what Metroid Dread does is a different goal from what Kirby is trying to be

[tawdry stream]

tbh I think the main thing with EX mode dislike is
that its necessary for file 100% and unlocking TA

[sacred mango]

yes

[tawdry stream]

which forces people to play it to get to TA

and not to play it at their own leisure

[sacred mango]

which is why I want EX mode to be more interesting than just enemy placement

I love the bosses of EX mode

but then I would still rather do them in TA lol

[silk frost]

Exactly

[sacred mango]

Kirby is a slower paced game

[tawdry stream]

at least EX in DX is better than it was in og

[sacred mango]

especially when you attempt 100%

They don't even move some of the spheres in the levels

Anyway

All I wanna say

and have been understood anyway

RTDX Extra Mode should attempt something more

It can be anything

Pulling an Isolated Isles when you recontextualize the levels in different ways would be good

Changing the level design would be good

more focus on the rest of the cast in some way would be good

they're all different ways

[tawdry stream]

I can get that, but at least for the sake of a remake I think keeping it generally the same principle was the cleanest decision
instead of rethinking the mode and then possibly dealing with "grr wheres original ex mode"

[random pine]

you just want heroes in another dimension again lmao

[sacred mango]

not necessarily

just give me something fun

[tawdry stream]

lol

[sacred mango]

I can get why they did this because they wanted to be accurate to the original in many ways

but as a result it has the same lows as the original

I didn't feel any different from 2011 when I did Extra mode in RTDX

I was bored

though back then I didn't notice the different bosses

because I didn't have a trained eye to figure that out

[silk frost]

I had to force myself through extra mode

[sacred mango]

now I do

so if anything I do appreciate the EX bosses more now

[tawdry stream]

the only change that they maybe should've made was just to make EX optional

[sacred mango]

but I still got bored of Extra mode

[tawdry stream]

reworking all of it isn't necessary

essentially new game+ instead of
mandatory for file completion

[sacred mango]

It's still the one thing I would have wanted a rework

like if they didn't do like the original I would have been fine

I still ended Magolor Epilogue wanting more out of it

but it was still great

Extra Mode I just forced myself through it because I wanted TA

[tawdry stream]

as someone who replayed rtdl a lot as a kid, EX was actually something I genuinely enjoyed, at least back then

it really is a matter of perspective & how you go in
as something to just replay the game with its a very nice option
all it'd need is to be optional

at least imo

[sacred mango]

mind you I still very much enjoy RTDL

[earnest sphinx]

yeah ME was short but sweet and left me wanting more

[void blaze]

if there's one thing that kinda let me down, it was that I really expected more dialogue. I love his little quips for the upgrades. but I wanted to see him talk more y'know? I wanna see him thinking out loud to himself about what he did and what he's going through. I want the end villain to taunt him for his past decisions. when I got to the end I just felt kinda confused. like "ok so he's good now? question mark?" you could say it's supposed to be ambiguous but it also seems like it's obviously meant to be interpreted that he's done being evil - killing the crown and going to clash and being chill and all. but I just wanted to hear more dialogue so it would hit harder ig? idk

[silk frost]

ME was incredible

[sacred mango]

but I love to be challenged in more ways than just "more enemies" in a modern game in general

[tawdry stream]

ME definitely has a lot of unexplored potential, yeah

[random pine]

the end villain in question: UNHOLY TREE NOISES

[void blaze]

I did enjoy the mode a lot tho

[sacred mango]

somehow I didn't expect that much more

[tawdry stream]

I think a lot of it was just kirby fans being overhyped for magolor post-game lol

[sacred mango]

Kirby games are not very generous in lore

[void blaze]

I think I let my expectations get built up from the moment that back cover leaked lol

[tawdry stream]

including myself

[silk frost]

ME definitely could have done more, but we still got something that was really good

[sacred mango]

they give just enough

[tawdry stream]

also ME's ost kinda slaps

[void blaze]

but most finales have SOME dialogue y'know

[sacred mango]

To be honest the only weird thing

I expected the finale to be more than one sword hit

It was like

"wait he really just put one swing?"

[silk frost]

ME music goes so hard

[wispy crypt]

I thought it'd be cooler if Magolor used the sword to cut off parts of Master Crown instead of cleaving it in two

[void blaze]

I guess most button mash struggles end pretty quickly but yeah would have been cool to see another two swings

[tawdry stream]

my beloved
https://youtu.be/rFEXClefx44

[silk frost]

BASED

[sacred mango]

it is like the only thing that felt abrupt to me

[silk frost]

ORDEAL DOORS IS SO GOOD

[sacred mango]

The thing that sort of annoyed me though

is that right before I played ME

...I watched a review from someone I know

who just outright says "it's a Kirby Clash prequel"

[tawdry stream]

i will say
depending on your mashing speed / if you use shake to mash instead
It can either be very quick or actually a decent buttonmash struggle

[sacred mango]

...and I'm like

dude

I think I didn't wanna know that beforehand

lol

[tawdry stream]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[void blaze]

least he didn't say "EVIL WHISPY!!!"

[sacred mango]

so I was spoiled the twist

though I was still not entirely certain how that worked

[silk frost]

It's more than a clash prequel

[sacred mango]

so the surprise still worked on me a bit

[sturdy ore]

I figured out the twist beforehand lol

[sacred mango]

Seeing Magolor in Kirby Clash village was still something

[sturdy ore]

This is technically the latest appearance of the animal friends

[sacred mango]

also I could have guessed the Kirby Clash stuff

if I had listened to the final boss song

[inner jetty]

i was expecting something tied to Kirby Clash because of the Gem Apple

[sacred mango]

if I wasn't busy figuring out the pattern

[terse gazelle]

And they aren’t even the animal friends to that world’s kirby they might be random people

[tawdry stream]

smh not listening to kirby music? banned.

[terse gazelle]

The animal strangers

[sturdy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/mississippi-queen-gun-mississippi-queen-gun-meme-gun-gif-27076409

[sacred mango]

that said the credits when it was halfway and went full Kirby Clash music I still recognized

also like

[inner jetty]

i wasn't expect them to show Magolor end up in TKCD in-game though

[sacred mango]

literally 2 weeks before RTDX release

[void blaze]

I was too focused on spamming surge

[sacred mango]

I finished TKCD 100%

[tawdry stream]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirby-star-allies-king-dedede-swole-buff-gif-20841428

[sturdy ore]

Wow

[inner jetty]

i thought they would just maybe imply TKCD stuff coming out of portals or something

[terse gazelle]

[inner jetty]

rather than it being the origin story lol

[sacred mango]

so Kirby Clash was very much in my mind at that moment lol

[tawdry stream]

i spoiled myself before the game released in my timezone / location

since it released early elsewhere

so i didn't have that genuine in-game reaction

[sturdy ore]

I always thought to myself “Man I hope Kirby Clash appears”

Low and behold

[silk frost]

Lo

[inner jetty]

i knew something related to that mode would happen with the gem apples

[wispy crypt]

Tbh the usage of Scattered Souls Across Isolated Isles in Magolor Epilogue kinda weirded me out because the Running through the New World leitmotif leaked out into a place that isn't New World

[inner jetty]

i just didn't expect it to betaken that far

[limpid harbor]

well scattered souls is just an AD remix

[terse gazelle]

I got spoiled about the ending of epilogue by YouTube
It wasn’t even like I was scrolling recklessly it was like the 5th thing in my recommended

[silk frost]

I finished ME quickly enough to avoid spoilers

[tawdry stream]

sounds like you shouldn't have been on youtube so close to release

[silk frost]

I got the full clash canon reveal experience

[wispy crypt]

I had to sacrifice going to one of my favorite VTuber's model debut streams just to avoid spoilers :(

[wispy crypt]

It was held on the same day I started Magolor Epilogue, so I can't blame myself or them

[terse gazelle]

Fair but still it sucks
You tube needs an anti filter tool

Like think about it, a tool that lets you filter out key words from your recommended

[tawdry stream]

clash canon was revealed before ME
(I should honestly stop spoiling myself on new kirby games tho, I lose out on any spoiler-free experiences lol)

[sturdy ore]

I beat ME in one sitting

[wispy crypt]

I just completely banned myself from accessing YouTube because I found out the video title filter wasn't on Firefox, so I used BlockSite instead

[sturdy ore]

Me who already thought the Dream Kingdom co-existed with the prime universe:

[terse gazelle]

Not like you need to click the video to dislike it or report it
Just a filter tool that doesn’t show you any video with something in the title

Then you could perfectly avoid spoilers

[sacred mango]

I did not get spoiled anything but "Kirby Clash prequel"

[void blaze]

oh I used a video title filter on firefox

[sacred mango]

I had no idea how it would end otherwise

[void blaze]

think it's "YouTube Channel Blocker"

[silk frost]

I made an edit of the ME logo to say "egg goes to hell" while watching a stick figure animator twitch stream after finishing ME

[wispy crypt]

Oh, I just can't remember the name

[void blaze]

I get you

[silk frost]

Based firefox user

[sacred mango]

so the Master Crown boss was not something I expected

[wispy crypt]

But either way blocking myself from accessing YouTube helped

[sacred mango]

I had no idea what I expected

[sturdy ore]

The only thing I got spoiled on was that a tree would be involved

[wispy crypt]

I was trying to expect Ice Whispy Woods

[silk frost]

Only thing I got spoiled about is there being elemental versions of main game bosses

[limpid harbor]

same

[tawdry stream]

i was kinda sad that not every boss got an ME treatment tbh

[sacred mango]

I certainly did not expect Egg Engines apocalypse vision and to be underneath the big green tree

[tawdry stream]

wheres an elemental metal general hal? smh my head

[wispy crypt]

I think some were just straight up merged

Landia and Doomers became Rampaging Doomers

[sacred mango]

red fruit ripe enough to eat

[limpid harbor]

callback to the ME thing being on the back of the box for weeks presumably and no one knew

[sturdy ore]

I thought two things
A. The final stage would be Magolor climbing the gem apple tree.
B. You’d fight Gem Woods

[terse gazelle]

When I see spoilers I go through all 5 stages of grief on a minor scale. Does anyone else?

Like when you see it you’re like “that must’ve been fake that wasn’t a spoiler”
“Why isn’t there a way to still use the internet without being spoiled” etc other stages

[sacred mango]

somehow I had not really expected any tree to come up

even though it makes perfect sense

[limpid harbor]

i thought it was sus whispy wasnt the first boss

[wispy crypt]

I just... convince myself that it's fake lol

And wait until the actual reveal comes

[terse gazelle]

Same

[wispy crypt]

But of course I did not get spoiled for Epilogue's story lol

Officially revealed content is fair game tho

[sturdy ore]

Anyway why do you guys think the Room of Eden and Red Fruit exist

[limpid harbor]

erm void made them

[tawdry stream]

where was the room of eden?

[wispy crypt]

Kumazaki would like to answer that

[tawdry stream]

dont remember what was called that

[wispy crypt]

Ethereal Altar?

[sturdy ore]

Japanese name for Ethereal Altar

[tawdry stream]

ah ok

[limpid harbor]

or you can just say the ancients made them

[terse gazelle]

Because the miracle fruit is actually the fruit of whispy woods
Great great great great great grand dad petrified woods

[sturdy ore]

It’s a better name so I call it that

[limpid harbor]

if you dont know the answer just assume ancients

[sturdy ore]

The ancients making the fucking Garden of Eden:

[wicked wolf]

Imagine if it was the one from the past back when he was sent by his master LOL

[terse gazelle]

Actually a petrified woods would be sick as hell
An old rock whispy

[tawdry stream]

void made them and gave them to the sphere doomers (because he's god ) and went "if you eat this you will certainly die"
and then grand doomer ate and become tree monster and die

[thin kindle]

Red Fruit is some kind of destiny apple ethereal altar is an altar to uhhhh worship the destiny apple

[sacred mango]

I was certainly going like "oh wtf is this tree"

"god I love Kirby"

I certainly did not expect this kind of design to come up

it's a new one

[void blaze]

I liked watching vinny fight the tree and he makes a lot of quips but he stopped to say "this attack looks so cool" like You're so right man it does

[terse gazelle]

The master crown boss left me so in shock and fear that I died to the first attack

[sturdy ore]

Do you think Adam and Eve existed at one point and Eden just became its own fucking dimension after they got banished

[sacred mango]

also I did not upgrade Magolor Surge much

[void blaze]

ahh rip

surge is my crutch

[sacred mango]

because I did not understand how much damage it was doing

so I did beat all bosses mostly without that

[tawdry stream]

that could tie into some sin metaphor too
since satan was like "what? you'll die? naaawwww, you'll become like god knowing good and bad!!" in genesis
some vague connection like... worship / focus on the apple / cardinal sin? idk

[sacred mango]

which means I deserve respect

[terse gazelle]

You see void created loam and laleevee and in the garden of green greens and told them not to eat the gem apples.

[sturdy ore]

I’ll say this again both darwinian evolution and the genesis creation story happened in Kirby

Well, probably

[hardy rapids]

christianity canon to kirby real

[sturdy ore]

Guys new idea Gem Apple is Eden’s incarnation of Void

[limpid harbor]

erm what is the evolutionary purpose for grand doomer having false eyes in his wings

[sturdy ore]

Trickery

[hardy rapids]

because microtransactions are bad! incredible!

[tawdry stream]

so that the crown could see

[terse gazelle]

Basically void reincarnates into beings and those beings can have kids of their own to continue evolution. Yea makes sense

What evolved into bouncies?

[sturdy ore]

Void has kids???

[sacred mango]

Aside from wanting more levels in ME

[tawdry stream]

yeah, kirby
read up on your lore smh my head

[terse gazelle]

I must know what becomes the bouncies

[sacred mango]

I wished Ishikawa did more than one new "song" in RTDX.

[terse gazelle]

Besides void

[sturdy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-turns-into-a-tank-guy-turns-into-a-tank-mad-anger-gif-18779393

[sacred mango]

the only new thing Ishikawa did

[terse gazelle]

Imagine in ancient times the bouncies are like apex predators lol

[sacred mango]

is INTERNAL STRUGGLE

lol

[limpid harbor]

erm where does he turn into the tank

[sacred mango]

because

of course he did

Ishikawa always makes the scary shit

[sturdy ore]

Erm idk

[sacred mango]

At this point now i wanna see Kagero Mansion

[sturdy ore]

https://youtu.be/MKW1iS3_IUk

[sacred mango]

just because of Ishikawa music and sound design

[terse gazelle]

Rainbow curse 2-2 be like

[sacred mango]

because god I think Ishikawa would be very fucking good at horror sound design

lol

[sturdy ore]

He composed Hunted by the Beast didn’t he

[sacred mango]

yes

[sturdy ore]

Checks out

[sacred mango]

if he's not doing dubstep

he's doing scary shit

[sturdy ore]

Kumazaki telling Ishikawa to write the creepiest fucking song you’ve ever heard:

https://tenor.com/view/rap-zelda-meme-gif-17836768

[sacred mango]

now I say that

But Ishikawa is still more than that

he's very good at composing catchy stuff too

[limpid harbor]

the composers are probably all used to it by now

[sacred mango]

such as Tilt 'n Roll

[wicked wolf]

That's also horror tho

[plucky monolith]

the Red Fruit I think has something to do with Magolor's powers being 'scattered'
idk about Room of Eden

[sacred mango]

he needs to do more dubstep though

[robust yoke]

i think pitch-black songs from FL are little taste of how would horror songs in kirby would be imo

[plucky monolith]

at least, they said his powers were scattered and do not elaborate on it lol

[sacred mango]

he's still terrible at using a brass sample though

[terse gazelle]

Kirby fan trying to explain their 100% definitive head canon (its based off of a treehouse miss translation, don’t tell them)

[sacred mango]

me playing any Kirby game

[terse gazelle]

Yes

[sturdy ore]

The fruit fragments already existed before Magolor arrived no?

[plucky monolith]

they do not say that

[sacred mango]

who knows

that's never mentioned ever

[plucky monolith]

we just know they have 'great power', that's about it

[sacred mango]

for all we know everything could be suddenly made up as soon as Kirby beat Magolor

[sturdy ore]

Well then I wonder why it would be called Eden

[terse gazelle]

That doesn’t really make sense if the miracle fruit existed because of magolors power because why would an ancient alter be made for a nonexistent object

[sturdy ore]

Exactly

[sacred mango]

no but for all we know Magolor has kinda made up his own dimension when we beat him

[plucky monolith]

well, we don't even know where the locations come from lol

[sacred mango]

and even then

what I said is not even the truth

[sturdy ore]

The altar manifesting exactly 4 nanoseconds before Magolor arrives:

[plucky monolith]

or why parts of Egg Engines is just floating (and coming from fog) around in there

[limpid harbor]

conclusion: we dont know anything still 😃 😃

[sacred mango]

as usual

[plucky monolith]

or wtf the Lor symbols and gears on the bosses mean

[limpid harbor]

the struggles of a kirby fan

[sacred mango]

Kirby lore is always like this

[plucky monolith]

gonna have to wait for the interview lmao

[sacred mango]

you're given some stuff

[limpid harbor]

barely answer one question and bring up 20 more!!! peak

[sacred mango]

and then

tons of holes to fill

[plucky monolith]

and then they put it all somewhere else

[limpid harbor]

actually i think this is every previous game think about it

[sacred mango]

lol

[plucky monolith]

yeah lmao

[terse gazelle]

Lmao

[sturdy ore]

Crowned Doomer probably made them

[real flint]

spoiler kirby dies (real)

[terse gazelle]

Halcandra was just Florida after buggs bunny sawed it off in that one looney toons clip

[limpid harbor]

except FL ig

[gritty estuary]

kumazaki's wild ride

[limpid harbor]

FL was pretty conclusive

[sacred mango]

FL was oddly very clear

[limpid harbor]

yeah

[sturdy ore]

FL w

[limpid harbor]

common w

[sacred mango]

though

[gritty estuary]

what if i did a timeline funny

[plucky monolith]

technically it's a possibility
but either way it is weird since all we are given is 'they're born from drifting elements' lmao

[sacred mango]

when you guys started to think about Halcandra as a potential stop for the New World people

because of a song name

lol

which in japanese does not help its case

lol

[plucky monolith]

I mean, we already knew they went there eventually lol

[gritty estuary]

neichel just watching halcandra get destroyed

[sacred mango]

no

we didn't lol

[gritty estuary]

this is fime

[terse gazelle]

I really feel like next game is gonna touch on what exactly caused the ancients disappearance
Because at this point it feels like we learned as much as we could about them while dancing around the topic

[sturdy ore]

Crowned Doomer collecting all the elements to make cool ass elemental bosses:

[plucky monolith]

since similar words to Jambastion language and Roa

[sacred mango]

you jinxed it

[terse gazelle]

Fuck

[sacred mango]

the next game will absolutely not talk about the ancients anymore

[limpid harbor]

we're gonna get no ancients lore thanks to you

thanks a lot

[sacred mango]

you'll get Rainbow Curse 2

[wispy crypt]

Iirc the Japanese version states further that these wandering elements coalesced in their own dimensions

[gritty estuary]

clash 3

[plucky monolith]

I'm talking about JP version lol

[gritty estuary]

i can see

[plucky monolith]

there is no mention in English at all

[wispy crypt]

Huh it's the same as English?

[plucky monolith]

no

[wispy crypt]

Oh I misread

[terse gazelle]

You say that like thats a bad thing
Rainbow curse is fun af

[limpid harbor]

nah but fr the ancients lore is kinda crescendoing fast

[sturdy ore]

Ancients game finale

[sacred mango]

it's fun but Rainbow Curse explains literally nothing

lol

[wispy crypt]

Also Rampaging Doomers say "they're from another dimension". Which makes me go ???????

[terse gazelle]

Also I think more claymation kirby would only be a good thing

[tawdry stream]

*star allies

[limpid harbor]

we've learned a lot in the past 5 years

each game tells us more

[gritty estuary]

claycia is there what more do you need

[wispy crypt]

"Kirby pause descriptions try to be clear about another dimension challenge" (impossible)

[terse gazelle]

Doesn’t have to be a rainbow line game just give me claymation kirby

[thin kindle]

I think the Master Crown fight was supposed to be that

[sacred mango]

anyway

[sturdy ore]

That was Dark Matter finale

[limpid harbor]

its gonna feel kinda bittersweet when we learn everything about the ancients tbh

[tawdry stream]

4 heroes 3D action rpg game in ancient times when?

[gritty estuary]

WHERE IS MAGOLOR ACTUALLY FROM

[sacred mango]

We will never really know everything about the ancients

[sturdy ore]

Magolor Planet

[plucky monolith]

all they say is basically 'Born from drifting elements of _ in this space' lol

[thin kindle]

Planet Magolor

[wispy crypt]

His own dimension, which he won't say to anyone

[sacred mango]

the problem is like

[limpid harbor]

by everything i pretty much mean the 4 heroes and galactic crisis 💀

[sacred mango]

the only people who knows shit

[terse gazelle]

THE EGG CARTON

[sacred mango]

are either insane

or a liar

[limpid harbor]

hyness the most credible source

[tawdry stream]

watch we'll go to ancient times and it reveals that the galaxy is in danger from Nightmare and the ancients have formed an elite field of galactic Star Warriors to fend off his evil reign over the universe!!

[gritty estuary]

the only man who knows is

[limpid harbor]

magolor the most credible source

[wispy crypt]

Hyness calm down I just wanted veracity of your claims

[sacred mango]

Magolor can say things that are not lies

[gritty estuary]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARK LORD

[sacred mango]

and tbh, personally I think he's not lying when it's about knowledge like that

[warm sun]

Me running through Halcandra as it’s being destroyed to grab the new Neichel album before I become engulfed in flames

https://tenor.com/view/running-in-fire-senkou-heeseung-heeseung-fire-heeseung-crawling-in-fire-gif-25569720

[sturdy ore]

Kirby ancients finale game where Kirby discovers the heroes and what happened during the crisis

[sacred mango]

because it's really best for Magolor to not lie

[sturdy ore]

Unfortunately he doesn’t care much

[sacred mango]

just manipulate

[terse gazelle]

Hes a liar and a wizard was taken out of deluxe so that means magolor canonically isnt a liar

[limpid harbor]

BBBHRBRHREB

lmfao

[gritty estuary]

yeah sunday really is magolor day

[sacred mango]

Magolor's thing is that he conveniently doesn't say everything

[plucky monolith]

imagine if Magolor just lied about the clockwork stars and stuff lol
imagine how people would react