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#Pokemon Scarlet-Violet Spoiler Thread
balmy monolith
brave igloo
Hell if you chose violence Flutter Mane had Taunt too
balmy monolith
The fun part is that no matter the set a spdef (and also mix def) garganacl just walled fluttermane
The most they can do is tera fairy but garganacl tends to run tera steel so hah! (And mystical fire doesnt do enough)
brave igloo
Maushold fans probably on the hopium with the fastest ghostie banned
(Looks at Sand Doggo)
Make that 2 fast ghosts banned
remote compass
Fuck what should my iron bundle Tera into now?
I was using steel Tera blast on it to kill flutter mane
But that's not an issue anymore
remote compass
I was thinking grass actually, yeah
oblique lodge
Maybe like fight/fairy to resist all the priority
I like Tera ice too
So you can throw around the biggest freeze drys, no need to predict around
raven sphinx
If anyone wants to trade the scarlet evolution of the flame kid for the violet one or just their items lmk
plush frigate
otherwise good luck full shiny dex hunter
although, they could just keep it under level 25
remote compass
Yeah, but I thought his ability would ignore it
oblique lodge
Yeah it's like using swords dance
remote compass
Huh makes sense
ionic fjord
Ok so
I might actually be underlevelled from having too many mons ft. 2 in the slow group
still fiber
I might actually be underlevelled from having too many mons ft. 2 in the slow gr...
Are you doing the last battles of the titans or team star storylines? The last battles from those just put you up against people with mons that have higher levels than Geeta because lol
ionic fjord
I just did the fire team star bit
And all my guys are like level 26-ish, but that’s after exploring a bunch of the map
still fiber
Did you do the dark team starm base and the second titan?
ionic fjord
Ye
ionic fjord
Lemme grab my mons
ionic fjord
If you’re stuffing your mons with exp candies that’s your own fault 
plush frigate
titans I have left are orthworm, great tusk, and false dragon
still fiber
That's fine for the third gym actually
I was around that level
You can do the electric gym just fine
rustic raft
oh shit the broken move
rustic raft
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiCVn3maEAA84v6?format=jpg&name=large
forgot to reply
still fiber
On an unrelated note
Well kinda
Cyclizar is like a cheat code
He was not made with singles in mind
I just steamrolled the game after it learned shed tail
ionic fjord
It’s insane yes
raven sphinx
What does shed tail do
plush frigate
found the car prevo 😮 pog
ionic fjord
You get it super early for some reason
still fiber
And it's everywhere
ionic fjord
Switch + sets a substitute
raven sphinx
Switch + sets a substitute
still fiber
And
plush frigate
for 50 health
still fiber
Cyclizar has regenerator
plush frigate
^
raven sphinx
50 or 50%
still fiber
50%
plush frigate
50 percent
still fiber
50% sub that brings another mon in ignoring hazards
brave igloo
Also its HA is regenerator
still fiber
And then triggers his regen
brave igloo
It’s currently on the smogon watchlist for start of Gen 9
ionic fjord
Amazingly it’s not even one of the first two banned mons
still fiber
He was the one that got the most votes after the 2 banned ones
brave igloo
I can believe him getting banned but I can’t believe he was ahead of Chien Pao for votes
still fiber
Shed tail is that fucked
Outside of bringing in obviously broken setup sweepers like b moon you have stuff like shed tail into steel terra dnite
Which keeps multiscale under hazards
Fun stuff
brave igloo
This Gen has so many fucked pokes
plush frigate
alright at orthworm, time to send naclstack to solo this
65 HP all fine
its going for wrap every turn o.o, weird
and barely died 😅
oblique lodge
petition to start calling roaring moon > moonce
uncut sleet
Petition to nickname all Orthworms: Clifford
raven sphinx
Bro no one told me the ice mink was this cute
spiral oasis
I wish some mon in the overworld were bigger
annoying to accidentaly run into them/squint to see them
viral cedar
what's the exclusives for Scarlet?
I uh... may be picking the game up asap ||because my bf is really into it||
gloomy hollow
ayy
plush frigate
Should I go do Iono gym, or do some quick classes at school
On one hand, yugioh GX, on the other hand, I beat up a youtuber
sour pulsar
Ngl
Trying to decide what should be my dragon type on my party
On one hand, cyclizar, on the other hand, i haven't played swsh so i want to try dragapult, but the fact that its also ghost type means that it would overlap with ceruledge
raven sphinx
If someone wants to trade their ceruledge for the scarlet version let me know
sour pulsar
Also ngl, wanted to use palafin but you can't evolve it on singleplayer 
uncut sleet
Trying to decide what should be my dragon type on my party
Dundunsparce is the only correct answer
raven sphinx
Man no one wants to trade their ceruledge for the scarlet one
sour pulsar
I'm physically unable to lol
raven sphinx
Womp 
uncut sleet
You have the scarlet armor jot?
raven sphinx
Yeah
still fiber
On one hand, cyclizar, on the other hand, i haven't played swsh so i want to try...
Cyclizar doesn't really take up any X type slot, it's stats are whatever and it's pretty much a cleric mon so why not both?
raven sphinx
DW too much about it my partner has violet, but if you need the armour later on let me know
still fiber
I wonder how many people got scarlet over violet
Looking at the trade sub it's like
20-1 for people asking for violet paradoxes vs scarlet
uncut sleet
I wanted scarlet but my buddy said he was going to get scarlet, so I went with Violet
ebon path
i'm pretty sure the version whose name comes first basically always sells better
uncut sleet
Also robot hariyama is the best looking paradox to me outside of past donphan
still fiber
Yeah Ik the difference this time just seems higher than normal
It's legit all people asking for ceruledge and violet exclusives
raven sphinx
Oh I don't give a shit about violet exclusives but ceruledge, the tyranitar and the gallade
still fiber
I just wanted to see the sales numbers for them separately
sour pulsar
i'm pretty sure the version whose name comes first basically always sells better
Not exactly, i have yet to find a single living soul that played x over y
Gen 5 was a 50/50 iirc
ebon path
i played x
sour pulsar
Btw, how good is tatsugiri?
remote compass
If it's a water type not named Iron Bundle, it's not worth running
brave igloo
That kid named Dodonzo
That kid named Palafin
remote compass
I mean, Palafin is solid
But... Iron Bundle
They made an insane Pokemon everywhere but the movepool
brave igloo
Competitive can’t try tatsugiri rn since it is borked on showdown
remote compass
I wanna try Pawmott before it's banned tbh
brave igloo
What’s funny is that as a result of Tatsugiri being tried due to bork, I think Quaquaval is the least popular competitive new water type.
remote compass
Quaqaval is just kinda medium
brave igloo
Even Skeledirge has more fans in comp rn
remote compass
I've seen people call it the new Blaziken, but ive yet to see it do anything
brave igloo
And Skeledirge lost one of its biggest threats in Flutter Mane
remote compass
Unfortunately you can still use Flutter on ladder rn
But yeah, Skeledirge seems p good
raven sphinx
Double spark too strong or the revive?
raven sphinx
Ah
remote compass
I'd rather the overall better mon that also gets the revive over worse and more niche one
uncut sleet
Well Rabsca seems like an insane lead in doubles TR teams
Decent bulk, telepathy, TR and revival blessing
It’s SpA is also decent
Might actually experiment a bit with it for vgc
still fiber
I just want to know the rules this time around
Bcs like
Paradox mons are kinda like UBs but not really
remote compass
If they're legal, VGC is gonna be fucked
But I think everything is legal this year
still fiber
You mean saved right?
uncut sleet
But like what mythic Pokémon are even in the game rn
still fiber
Iron bundle icy wind spam 🙏
uncut sleet
Unless paradoxes are considered mythic
twin edge
On one hand, cyclizar, on the other hand, i haven't played swsh so i want to try...
Tatsugiri
raven sphinx
Whenever I see that word my mind doubles over it and says totsugeki
sour pulsar
thinking of using this team in game
sinful sapphire
Here's my team btw. I rotate between these 10 keeping them all at equal Lv. Adding 2 more before the E4 too. Got some fun nicknames going as well.
Also Vanilla Ice bodied Ryme lmao
sour pulsar
might use tatsu over tauros tho
uncut sleet
Yo breloom pog
Guessing for singles right?
Still got to beat the game, but rabsca is almost def going to make my doubles team
pearl hinge
Anything should do fine as a in-game team
uncut sleet
My experimental doubles team is prob going to be Rabsca, Appletun (Thick Fat/Steel tera), x, y, z, w
sinful sapphire
Yo breloom pog
Id use it in Emerald but this is the first time using it post Phys Spec split so it puts in great work
raven sphinx
Cut the second half, get all gen 8 mons
uncut sleet
Thinking of either full on TR or hybrid TR
raven sphinx
sour pulsar
Cut the second half, get all gen 8 mons
aight time to cut flapple for flapple
raven sphinx
Flapple be gen 7
pearl hinge
My experimental doubles team is prob going to be Rabsca, Appletun (Thick Fat/Ste...
I was trying to build a TR team and I realised Indeedee lost expanding force
sour pulsar
ngl
trying to avoid mons that i've already used recently
but magnezone is like
the best electric type in the region
uncut sleet
I need to actually put in the hours, but Rabsca’s support moveset has so much potential
pearl hinge
Kingambit probably works as a decent TR Mon actually
uncut sleet
the best electric type in the region
Bellibolt says hi
pearl hinge
And Dudunsparce is just funny
uncut sleet
I have dundunsparce on my in game team lol, he’s great
pearl hinge
Especially in double where everyone has protect
pearl hinge
Clawitzer is cool
sour pulsar
imagine if it was a dragon type 
pearl hinge
It helped me a lot when I was playing radical red hardcore so it's good
sour pulsar
uncut sleet
Orthworm is another Pokémon I want to mess around with
raven sphinx
I have seen iron vallants model in game
It now might be my favourite mon
that sword
pearl hinge
Slither Wing looks so weird when it stands
sour pulsar
man
raven sphinx
Slither Wing looks so weird when it stands
Leave it alone man it's trying
It was born into floof
sour pulsar
is it too much to ask for an offensive water type that's not mono water but also not locked to the post game?
pearl hinge
Gyarados
sour pulsar
does it get a good flying move now or are we still stuck with bounce?
pearl hinge
Just don't play flying move 🙂
pearl hinge
When do we get the announcement for next VGC season again? I need to know if paradoxes will be legal or not
sour pulsar
man
trying my hardest to not use azumarill since i've used it literally 3 times in a row already
balmy monolith
130 spa
pearl hinge
How does tatsugiri's ability work actually
Do you need dondozo on team or is it just like wishiwashi swarm that activates automatically
balmy monolith
How does tatsugiri's ability work actually
Do you need dondozo on team or is it ...
Commander is doubles only
still fiber
Only works in doubles
still fiber
It's pretty bad
pearl hinge
Yeah it sounds awful
still fiber
Dondozo is good standalone tho
balmy monolith
It's pretty bad
Is it working on showdown now?
still fiber
Idk
raven sphinx
It's HA is storm drain
balmy monolith
Wait then what are you basing it being bad on?
still fiber
2 mons becoming 1?
Even if dondozos stats were much better that's just opening yourself up to be swept
sour pulsar
tatsugiri should work like necrozma/kyurem ngl
remote compass
May I interest you in Iron Bundle?
balmy monolith
Yeah it sounds awful
Okay so
Here's how it works:
When tatusugiri and dondozo is on the field tatsugiri and dondozo immediately become 1 for the time being
Dondozo's stats are doubled and order up boosts a stat (speed, atk or def) depending on which tatsugiri you gave it
In this form dondozo is unable to switch out, and it become a 2 v 1
If dondozo is ko'd tatsugiri comes back on the field and things become a 2v2 again
If you manage to kill tatsugiri by say like, toxic orb, dondozo still has all the benefits but is still unable to switch and it becomes a 2v2 again
Though tatsugiri will not come back
sour pulsar
so what you're saying is
raven sphinx
Doubled doesn't seem worth the moves you miss out on and the turn economy
But ig you'd sweep with high speed
sour pulsar
i should find a way to kill my own tatsugiri
brave igloo
It's neat, but having to take 2 hits a turn doesn't bode well from its naturally low Special Defense
balmy monolith
It's neat, but having to take 2 hits a turn doesn't bode well from its naturally...
True
If you do do this its likely best to max spdef
sour pulsar
aight chat, what do i put in the last slot?
brave igloo
I'd guess max special defense + Attack or Defense order up
My guess is it would still be a rest-talk set
Question: It doubles stats, but how is weight affected?
sour pulsar
grass knot 
pearl hinge
aight chat, what do i put in the last slot?
Garsalt
raven sphinx
That's why you make a grass type your last
balmy monolith
could work, but then my team gets super weak to water
Just find a water absorb clod :v
sour pulsar
clpd?
sour pulsar
That's why you make a grass type your last
any suggrestions? just used breloom in my oras run so i don't really want to use it again
raven sphinx
Plus it sets grassy terrain when hit
pearl hinge
Or Just play hoppip
sour pulsar
Or Just play hoppip
used that on my HGSS run last year :/
pearl hinge
It's probably okayish
I haven't done snowstorm calcs tho on what it survives under snowstorm
pearl hinge
Or you could've just played kilowattrel for water coverage actually
still fiber
The final rewards better be good because I just did fucking 42 classes and 14 exams
sour pulsar
yea i think this is gonna be my finished team, now, to decide what teras to put in which one
raven sphinx
Lore isn't as important as character moments to me
Besides it's Pokémon, it's getting retconned next gen
still fiber
yea i think this is gonna be my finished team, now, to decide what teras to put ...
You can only change your tera type after the 5th gym and you need 50 shards of the type you want to change to so keep that in mind
You get shards from 3* raid onwards iirc
sour pulsar
i see
balmy monolith
Besides it's Pokémon, it's getting retconned next gen
Outside of like
Mechanic specific lore
Lore doesnt really get retconned all that often, even with megas they just made it a different timeline
still fiber
0-2 shards per raid
sour pulsar
still fiber
You want to do 5* or higher and those are end game raids
sour pulsar
might just reset to just get the mons with the tera types i want tbh
still fiber
So if you want x o y tera type before beating the game you better be ready to grind a lot
balmy monolith
Like the lore of why the 4 sub legends are there is really cool
balmy monolith
Besides it's Pokémon, it's getting retconned next gen
Also the lore is also where "pokedex entry" of the paradox mons are
sour pulsar
might just reset to just get the mons with the tera types i want tbh
speaking of, what tera types should i put on my mons?
haven't exactly followed the theorycrafting on that one
balmy monolith
Also the hints at the third legendary and the future/past legendary trio combo
still fiber
Normal mons always come with their tera types
raven sphinx
Honestly the default terratype is usually fine
still fiber
You need to defeat special mons on the map for a different tera type and I'm pretty sure those aren't random encounters
Or get lucky with raids
Which comes down to the whole
raven sphinx
Got a dark terratype kinggambit
sour pulsar
Unless you play full competitive
i usually don't but i do like minmaxing to an extent that i really shouldn't
raven sphinx
That was interesting
still fiber
Farming a ton of raids
Ok so
The reward for doing
All the fucking exams
42 classes 14 exams
Is fucking
5 EXP L CANDIES
??????
sour pulsar
balmy monolith
Lol
sour pulsar
pre sale bonus levels of content
still fiber
That's also less than what some raids give you
balmy monolith
I think the idea with the classes is more so for what the classes say than what the full reward is
sour pulsar
so uhh, is there a general guide on what mons want which type as their tera?
balmy monolith
so uhh, is there a general guide on what mons want which type as their tera?
General idea: go for a type it either has coverage for or one which resists/immune to a type its weak to
sour pulsar
i see
edgy garnet
or if you have one big all-purpose hurt-everything-with-it move
you can use it for the bigger STAB boost
sour pulsar
dark type clodsire anyone?
edgy garnet
apparently in competitive it's common for an offensive mon to use the Tera type to outmaneuver a counter/check
balmy monolith
Dark works, prefer flying clod mostly due to how common ground moves are
sour pulsar
ok so, considering: dark/flying clodsire, fighting lokix, ghost edge, steel corv, fire flapple, and ice cloyster
still fiber
Bro about to farm tera raids for 30 hours
sour pulsar
balmy monolith
Like its very rare for a mon to have an objectively best tera
That said there are those which do
Like ground gyra > every other type gyra
sour pulsar
any thoughts on my choices before i fully commit?
still fiber
The game is stupid easy they are good
balmy monolith
Remember to give em nicknames :x
sour pulsar
already have the theming in mind
sour pulsar
also
i may or may not be planning to shiny hunt all of my party members
except maybe corv and flapple since i like the original colors better
silver tendon
plush frigate
showdown hasnt even coded revival blessing
sour pulsar
good
swift pumice
yea cus that shit is getting banned on release
remote compass
Yup, it's definitely getting banned
I do admittedly wanna meme with it and leppa berry
still fiber
It will be balanced on basculegion you wouldn't get it
raven sphinx
Basculegion the first Pokémon to have sub 100 bst when entering gen 8
crystal iron
Also the lore is also where "pokedex entry" of the paradox mons are
Gimme
uncut sleet
Expert belt on kingambit looks like the move
Trying out a Rabsca and Iron Hands lead atm
pearl hinge
I was thinking more like black glasses
uncut sleet
That’s arguable, I think it depends a lot on what the 2v2 meta ends up being
Kingambit’s coverage is lackluster but you do get access to shadow claw which could or could not be big
pearl hinge
It learns decent enough coverage
Like rock tomb for speed control
Or stuff like zen headbutt
onyx ice
Pokemon Violet is becoming one of my fav pokemon game so far, the freedon is amazing Also my team so far
pearl hinge
What's the name of flamigo
onyx ice
I can't post it here 
pearl hinge
Now I'm even more curious
rustic raft
Why are you naming it a slur
pearl hinge
Okay that's probably not something you'd post here, yeah
pearl hinge
Yeah for some reason they decided to give flamigo for early routes
As if the games weren't easy already
uncut sleet
Yeah game hasn’t been easy for me either
Grass gym was super easy
But electric gym almost wiped me
onyx ice
grass badge was 5th for me
Normal gym kept wooping me, cuz I was under his level
this feels almost like Elden ring, where you have options to make it as hard as you want
also, lots of replayability wibes, with different routes to take
uncut sleet
Yeah like I said, the new ideas they threw out in this game are really good. If they fixed the performance issues, a lot of people bitching would change their tune pretty quickly
I find myself randomly spending 1-2 hours just exploring at times
onyx ice
I did the early skip to area 4, and found myself on ice mountains before even 1st gym
cuz exploring was way more fun than battling
uncut sleet
I wish I had taken a pic, but I stumbled into a tree that had 4 different Pokémon sleeping under it in different ways
Made the game feel alive
sour pulsar
No
still fiber
by the way, how doable is to get Iron Valiant before the end game?
It's the actual last pokemon you can get 
End of postgame mon
onyx ice
finite plover
Basically more or less similar to Ultra Beasts from SM
uncut sleet
I actually don’t like Iron Valiant’s design at all tbh
But I also never liked gardevoir or gallade so
crystal iron
I'm not sure I like any of the future mons
remote compass
Iron Bundle is great because they did the Spectrier thing again
Design-wise, they're all mediocre
remote compass
They gave it a really good typing, stats, and ability. But the worst movepool known to man
oblique lodge
I mean water + freeze dry is already perfect coverage
And it gets uturn/flip turn
All you need right there
pearl hinge
Tera blast
remote compass
That's what I'm running
brave igloo
Functionally a lot of interesting new Pokémon
Visually some of the worst Pokémon we’ve ever gotten
brave igloo
Both in talk for paradox mons and generation as a whole
remote compass
Yup. Stale designs, strong mons
balmy monolith
https://twitter.com/PokeAlex_/status/1594737262562054150?t=JiQ51F4FeJ7h-o7a9FtRI...
This is why i dislike how quickly showdown implemented this lol
There is so much untested things
That there are several things that are actually just showdown mistakes XD
finite plover
The main Pokémon thread is pretty heat up right now so I doing this here, ofc they would put Wallace to be the one talking about Quaxly lol
balmy monolith
For example
While small, purifying salt completely prevents yawn from going off, as in, you wont even get the "yawn" state like it does in showdown
I dont mind cause it means there are a bunch of dum dums who try yawning and staying in on garganacl but yeah...
swift pumice
lol
balmy monolith
The main Pokémon thread is pretty heat up right now so I doing this here, ofc th...
Especially because of quaquaval
swift pumice
but yea glad things are getting cleared up more
finite plover
Especially because of quaquaval
Yes
brave igloo
Serebii getting punching gloves wrong and showdown janking it
ornate token
ok 30% boost is a lot more managable
rustic raft
Oh okay
rustic raft
https://twitter.com/PokeAlex_/status/1594737262562054150?t=JiQ51F4FeJ7h-o7a9FtRI...
that's weird
ornate token
last time i checked Bulba they literally just said Proto and Quark gave +1 upon switchin
so that site made me think it was a stat boost rather than a passive buff
rustic raft
I mean I still think Flutter Mane is like
too much for the game
but this does nerf them down thank god lmao
brave igloo
Flutter mane also went speed a lot of the time due to
Well other flutter manes
ornate token
yeah Mane is probably still too strong
rustic raft
but what do I know, I'm shit lmao
ornate token
Specs Timid was apparently quite common
so this discovery isn't exactly changing that aspect
balmy monolith
Im still very afraid of great tusk and him two shotting corviknights
But now they have to do that with a band instead!
brave igloo
To me it mainly changes Iron Tread and especially Great Tusk
Also nerfs Iron Hands
Well
“Nerfs”
balmy monolith
To me it mainly changes Iron Tread and especially Great Tusk
We thought the same thing about great tusk lol
brave igloo
The biggest set this impacts is definitely offensive great tusk
balmy monolith
Yeah
Before great tusk could booster energy and smack things with whatever it wanted and two shot most things
But now thats only possible with band so it turns into a 50/50
Still keeping tera flying on corv though
remote compass
Wait no this hurts my bird boi
balmy monolith
Your bird boi?
brave igloo
Iron Bundle
remote compass
Iron Bundle
brave igloo
Ye
remote compass
True
brave igloo
Iron Valiant is weird for this because I think the most popular thing was Speed with Swords Dance
brave igloo
And I haven’t even got into that yet because I have been doing sash anti-lead
oblique lodge
I mean I think it's better
For showdown to release the game
With some things wrong
And then fix them later as we get more info
Than just delaying it for weeks
Trying to iron out every nuance
Though I am kinda annoyed triage bitter blade isn't implemented yet
Even if it only applies to like one om
plush frigate
Nemona interupting me right as I was about to go for my badge
need to charge switch also, so doing gym later
remote compass
Okay I'm fully on board for a Cyclizar ban now
Sometimes you get to use it twice and that's insane
plush frigate
btw Iono gym done, that makes 3 titans down (klawf, bird, orthworm) and 3 gyms down (bug, grass, electric)
and on my way to water gym, may beat up the team star admin conveniently near by
twin edge
Espathra is my favorite mon of the gen
uncut sleet
Ostriches don’t fly
Also it’s coverage isn’t half bad
Also it’s a trick room setter with speed boost, which is kinda cool
I wonder if it can threaten pex with its signature move
gloomy grail
Ostriches don’t fly
so doesnt Dodrio but that didnt stop him now did it
remote compass
I've seen it a bit on ladder, it seems like it sucks
gloomy grail
remote compass
But tbh my team rn answers everything but Quaqaval
Trick Room just doesn't seem there this gen
oblique lodge
yeah no good setters
remote compass
Indeedee feels like your best
brave igloo
Indeedee and Farigiraf
Singles some people were also trying Armorouge for offensive TR too
Doubles it’s pretty much Indeedee and Farig
sour pulsar
Ngl
Kinda want to use dirge over ceruledge because of the starter factor
But edge is just better in every way
plush frigate
we interupt the victory road to bring you the earliest paradox
time to salt cure this behemoth
gloomy hollow
Also it’s a trick room setter with speed boost, which is kinda cool
stored power user with speed boost too
stab on stored power and has dazzling gleam for dark coverage
seems decent at least
plush frigate
phase 2, time to salt cure a great tusk
gloomy hollow
time to salt cure this behemoth
for this one i went baby doll eyes spam, then endeavor memed it with staravia
second fight i just let arven nuke it while spamming baby doll eyes
fun fight : ^)
plush frigate
Im doing salt and lemonade strat
gloomy hollow
i did that for another late titan
plush frigate
my naclstack has exactly 70 hp
raven sphinx
Got my hands on all the paradox Mons now
plush frigate
I let him faint naclstack so naclstack wont get xp (had some desert mons in the back so I wouldnt wipe)
twin edge
Also it’s a trick room setter with speed boost, which is kinda cool
It's better as a CM Stored Power sweeper
twin edge
stab on stored power and has dazzling gleam for dark coverage
You can also run Sub in the 4th slot. Wish it had Aura Sphere
still fiber
So is there a reason for me to not do tera raids all day or is this just really SVs whole postgame
Shit gives me 15-20k per run, mints and sometimes bottle caps
remote compass
That's basically it
silver tendon
remote compass
Sounds about right for a pokemon end game
still fiber
Is it faster to farm raids solo or online? Solo the raids themselves go by faster but online you don't have to look for any raids
Nvm online raids glitch like a fuck
Just had everyone attacking at the same time and the game crashing
Fun stuff
raven sphinx
Fully ev trained my chien pao
pearl hinge
Also it’s a trick room setter with speed boost, which is kinda cool
You probably are setting screens with speed boost
Since it'll be faster than most stuff with 1 protect
pearl hinge
Indeedee feels like your best
Armorogue
Hariyama armorogue or indeedee armorogue can probably be decent trick room leads too
plush frigate
taking on dark star base now
uncut sleet
We talking singles or doubles? Because Rabsca is easily the best doubles TR setter
I don’t even think it’s particularly close
plush frigate
Zero-1 my Lokix is so ready to deliver some justice upon team star
uncut sleet
Rabsca’s support move pool is insane
plush frigate
and yeah mine has fighting teratype to 😄
uncut sleet
Still working on the ideal team, but so far, iron hands, Rabsca, kingambit and skeledirge is a very solid foundation to build off of for a TR team
I just have to figure out if I want to go full TR or have the option to pivot
plush frigate
alright now to take on the boss, level 21 gonna be a snap since mine are early 30s 😄
done 😄
oblique lodge
isnt tork just better skeledirge
but ig can be dangerous if they have protosynthesis guys
sinful sapphire
Finally rolled credits
Still conflicted, but ultimately just feel bad for the dev team cause they had to crunch like hell.
uncut sleet
Arven is such a wholesome character
remote compass
Still conflicted, but ultimately just feel bad for the dev team cause they had t...
Yeah and the devs are the ones getting the most negative shit directed towards them
It should have been the upper management that forced this shit
sinful sapphire
Arven is based
Yes and yes
Can we get the next Pokemon game in like 5 years with no spin offs
Plz
remote compass
Nah that doesn't sell enough merch
sinful sapphire
Theres a great foundation here
remote compass
You'll get a dlc in 6 months and a new game next year
It'll be just as rushed as this one
sinful sapphire
Unfortunately
remote compass
Can't ever stop pumping out product or else people might get critical of the quality
sinful sapphire
Also I wonder have speedrunners found a sequence break for getting into Area Zero early?
remote compass
Tbh it'll be interesting to see what the consensus on these games is a few months from now when the hype dies down and the theoretical good game patch comes
sinful sapphire
I wanna see the madness
remote compass
You can glitch into it, yeah
sinful sapphire
Pog
remote compass
But yeah, when everyone stops going "it's the best Pokemon game ever" in 3 months, I'll wanna see what the consensus is
swift pumice
all i know is that while i will never play anything after gen 6
the pokemon design is still pretty good
the music is still pretty good
and every gimmick they make after megas will be increasingly more shit
at the very least tera is not as bad as dynamax
raven sphinx
Also I wonder have speedrunners found a sequence break for getting into Area Zer...
They unironically did a good job at preventing this
There is only one way into area zero
And that is a door you can't open till late game
And one you can't open until after a cutscene
So all it takes for them to stop you from going in early, is to check if that cutscene had been played and then enable the doo-who am I kidding it's gamefreak they've done none of this
sour pulsar
balmy monolith
That said the 3d games have a history of being very difficult to sequence break
Bdsp being the only exception
raven sphinx
The fact that the area zero entrance has the professor open a door depending on the version played is concerning to me
I am wondering if they left the trigger for the other door in both games
sour pulsar
Dlc opens up the other door
raven sphinx
Ah is that what it is
balmy monolith
Possibly
raven sphinx
I figured it was version dependant
sour pulsar
Ah is that what it is
I have no idea
balmy monolith
Afterall, if the book is right
There is a even lower area in area 0 where the third legendary supposedly resides
raven sphinx
https://youtu.be/iqeuYcwF1xU this video has links to trade codes to trade for version exclusives
uncut sleet
First video I’ve seen pop up of vgc viability https://youtu.be/IhPt8hs4WFs
frozen shadow
I have seen way more OU/singles coverage
sour pulsar
First video I’ve seen pop up of vgc viability https://youtu.be/IhPt8hs4WFs
This is for doubles right?
frozen shadow
Which is a bit wild
pearl hinge
VGC is doubles, yes
pearl hinge
Thugs literally said vgc
remote compass
Mons that got hyped up but actually probably suck so far include:
-Quaqaval (he's way more niche than he seems)
-The bird
-Iron Moth
-Annihilape
pearl hinge
The bird as in the bomb one?
pearl hinge
Oh kilowatt and the bomb one
remote compass
The bomb one isn't seeing any play at all
frozen shadow
Annihilape is hyped?
pearl hinge
Only thing bomb one can do is like set tailwind and it's awful at doing so
remote compass
People are all over annihilape
pearl hinge
I haven't seen anyone talking about annhilape at all
frozen shadow
I actually like Bundle btw
remote compass
It gets one tapped by every good mon this gen
frozen shadow
I just think that it suffers from one huge issue
silver tendon
Is bundle the delibird
remote compass
I think it's probably new toy syndrome tho with it being a gen 1 mon
silver tendon
I think it’s pretty good
silver tendon
The speed stat is kind of nice
silver tendon
Was either 1 above or under flutte rmane which gave it a niche
remote compass
You just slot the 4 moves that don't suck on it because it's stats are worth it
frozen shadow
Especially with Tera's updated change
sour pulsar
Was either 1 above or under flutte rmane which gave it a niche
1 above
pearl hinge
Especially with Tera's updated change
Oh what change
remote compass
Tera Blast grass is what I'm testing for the 4th rn and it feels solid
frozen shadow
Only being 30% on non-speed stats means it is worse than life orb
frozen shadow
Oh what change
Protosynthesis and Quark Drive are much more reasonable abilities than what was initially seen
frozen shadow
Bundle wants that 400 speed
Yeah but this gen has a lot of really good revenge killers
pearl hinge
Oh? Thought it was +1
silver tendon
Also I agree with you, I don’t think Tera belongs in comp play
sour pulsar
Bundle wants that 400 speed
Speaking of
remote compass
That's true, but I think bundle is totally cool as is
frozen shadow
And 124 SpAtk is NOT cutting it anymore I feel
sour pulsar
Why does delibird have 400 speed anyway?
frozen shadow
Bundle is probably strong and reasonable
remote compass
I think the biggest loss for bundle will be losing Terra
sour pulsar
Like, does delibird scream "fast" to you?
frozen shadow
Yeah agree
remote compass
Like unironically when they ban Tera, bundle is gonna take a big hit
frozen shadow
So is Moon
remote compass
Moon lives by Tera
frozen shadow
Moon is already on life support
remote compass
Losing Tera will completely kill moon
frozen shadow
Tera Dnite is just better
remote compass
I think bundle can remain playable losing tera
But it'll be harder
And if they don't ban Palafin, you'd just wanna play that
remote compass
Yeah they don't serve the same niche
But I think without tera if you want water coverage, you'd rather build around Palafin
Not like he's hard to enable
remote compass
I think it'd be a mistake if they don't ban Palafin tbh
sour pulsar
What's palafin's stats again?
frozen shadow
Bulk Up set is ignorant as fuck
remote compass
650 BST in hero mode
remote compass
It also gets an 80 BP priority move
frozen shadow
What's palafin's stats again?
Too much for too little
sour pulsar
Damn we really powercrept azumarill huh
remote compass
Like I said, powercreep this gen is ABSURD
frozen shadow
This is close to deleting the need of Kyogre
remote compass
So much of the new stuff just feels too strong
Even not immediate offenders like Glimmora are cracked
Glimmora is absolutely the sleeper threat at least rn I feel like
frozen shadow
Kyogre BST and spread is 670 among
remote compass
It's not seeing much play, but if they can't answer it they just fucking Lose
frozen shadow
100/100/90/150/140/90
So Palafin trades a lot of SpDef but has better stats elsewhere
remote compass
Also Kyogre doesn't get an 80 BP priority water move
silver tendon
Im excited for vgc
remote compass
Just absolutely deletes anything that pops up
silver tendon
Cause it’s going to be a clown fiesta
remote compass
VGC is gonna be a dumpster fire this gen, yeah
pearl hinge
Early VGC is gunna be so weird
Can't wait for someone with dondozo tatsugiri to win a tournament
gloomy hollow
i could see people making kilowattrel work in vgc
remote compass
Its gonna be Flutter and friends just doing stupid shit for a year
gloomy hollow
limited mons at the start, 2 interesting abilities
frozen shadow
I feel like
remote compass
I think that's probably the only place the bird is okay yeah
frozen shadow
Kilowattrel would have been an insane OU mon if it dropped any time in the past four gens
But now I don't think it makes the cut in OU?
remote compass
Oh yeah. That's why it got hyped to hell
People were looking at it from the lens of a mon 1-2 gens ago
remote compass
When OU bans all the crazy shit this gen, maybe it'll settle there tbh
But that's like 4-5 bans from now
frozen shadow
Garganacl btw
I understand why they nerfed defensive utilities
Same with Orthworm
And Scream Tail
If these mons existed in gen 8 they would likely have been banned
remote compass
Scream Tail feels like it'll settle in OU once all the good shit gets banned too
gloomy hollow
scream tail feels like worse clef
maybe i'm missing something but i'm really underwhelmed
frozen shadow
Clef got nerfed though
remote compass
We also don't have clef
sour pulsar
maybe i'm missing something but i'm really underwhelmed
Clef is not SV legal
remote compass
Clef isn't in the games
frozen shadow
Also Scream Tail just has better stats as a whole
gloomy hollow
you're talking about 'if these mons existed in gen 8'
remote compass
Scream Tail would have been insane in Gen 8 yeah
frozen shadow
If they existed in Gen 8, Scream Tail does not replace Clef
It would be insane regardless
remote compass
But it's another situation of "this time the powercreep is so fucking wild it's fine"
Like I feel like this has gotta be the most powercreep I've seen a new gen have ever?
gloomy hollow
what is scream doing that clef doesn't?
remote compass
Obviously the legends in SwSh were cracked but a lot of SwSh mons didn't make the cut
sour pulsar
Gf has figured out that people will eventually like mons they use competitively, see lando t
frozen shadow
Having a base 115 HP and 115 SpDef and Speed
It can run a real nasty Calm Mind set
remote compass
Yup. I fucking hate Gholdengo's design, but it's growing on me exclusively because it's been super good in testing
frozen shadow
You can do fast rocks, fast t-wave, fast Wish
remote compass
Oh right, we weren't even accounting for Pawmott in any of this because no one has been able to fully break Pawmott yet
remote compass
How long do you wanna give Pawmott before he's Ubers? I'm saying a week at best
frozen shadow
But also
gloomy hollow
just ban revival blessing
remote compass
Pawmott is shit, but Revival Blessing is more than enough to ignore it
gloomy hollow
and they can't even use the 'it's only on one mon excuse'
frozen shadow
They just haven't gotten Revival Blessing working right
gloomy hollow
since rabsca gets it too
frozen shadow
There are two yeah
sour pulsar
How long do you wanna give Pawmott before he's Ubers? I'm saying a week at best
Maybe about the time it took ppl to figure out kyurem
remote compass
Although Electric/Fighting is surprising a solid typing
frozen shadow
Pawmot just feels like people will run it and get taunted and lose
remote compass
I just don't think he learns enough good moves or anything to be good rn
But if he came out one-two gens ago
remote compass
I'm looking forward to the two days I get to leppa berry revival blessing Cyclizar and just have permanent substitute on my whole team tbh
frozen shadow
My issue with Pawmot is that in the current meta, even if Rev Bless worked, your other mon that got KOed would get swept again anyways
Pawmot is not stopping Tera Steel or Normal or Flying Dnite from sweeping you
remote compass
For sure, but I just want more chances to do stupid shit with Cyclizar
The solution is to use that Cyclizar into your own Dnite
Multiscale is fucking stupid
frozen shadow
Once Dnite is set up the one that is set wins
Even trying to be cute like that
You are no longer winning the sack war
remote compass
Sidenote, I've been testing pult as a breaker to clean up their Dnite or whatever before it can set-up
swift pumice
chien pao comes in and breaks through again
jk cus fucking multiscale lol
and no longer 4x weak
remote compass
And Infiltrator is winning so many games
sour pulsar
What's the dnite set up?
gloomy hollow
can meme with tera normal extreme speed if you want : ^)
frozen shadow
And tera away to steel or flying
remote compass
Cyclizar passes multiscale into it, dragon dance, then extreme speed them to death
frozen shadow
Or Normal even
sour pulsar
Ah
silver tendon
Yeah I see a lot of normal tera dnite
sour pulsar
Ah
swift pumice
and ghost immunity
sour pulsar
I see
remote compass
You've got a single weakness
remote compass
Also gives you STAB on the extreme speed
swift pumice
but even then dnite has stab extreme speed afterwards
silver tendon
Fuck cizaler btw
swift pumice
with multiscale + ddance if it really needs to keep breaking
remote compass
Yeah Cyclizar is not long for OU
remote compass
Mon is incredibly stupid
frozen shadow
I think
gloomy hollow
is it stupid just bc shed tail?
frozen shadow
Cyclizar might be okay
remote compass
And regenerator
frozen shadow
Shed Tail itself is absurd yes
gloomy hollow
that's another 'ban the move' thing imo
remote compass
There's games where you get to use shed tail twice
gloomy hollow
orthworm gets shed tail too
frozen shadow
Shed Tail, Regenerator yeah
gloomy hollow
unless you think it's the specific combination of shed tial and regen that does it
frozen shadow
It is and the speed base of Cyclizar
remote compass
Yeah Cyclizar has the better stats for it
gloomy hollow
i think there's a potential argument for slow shed tail tho
remote compass
And typing
swift pumice
cyclizars issue is the move pool + stat distribution
remote compass
Orthworm with shed tail would lead to meme builds
swift pumice
but theres actual real drawbacks to running worm
remote compass
Yeah worm has more checks
twin edge
His subs are beefier
remote compass
Cyclizar just pops in, shed tails, and you win the game
frozen shadow
Can't even say that though
The offensive mons are so powerful they can break through the shed shell
Currently, priority is really really busted
remote compass
Yeah priority is nuts this gen
swift pumice
the best mons are actually not the broken ones we see
but like
breloom
scizor
chien pao
they have some busted priority
gloomy hollow
tbf i've seen a lot of talk about chien compared to those other two
swift pumice
and can click and check everything offensive
gloomy hollow
i do think both are solid tho
swift pumice
i have been running both breloom and scizor to good success
sour pulsar
Btw does scizor run the punch glove item thing now?
gloomy hollow
still band or w/e
swift pumice
band better
swift pumice
scizor is broken with cc
scizor no longer clears as a defensive wall like it could before
but it is now an insanely good sweeper and revenge killer
twin edge
Wonder where the meta is gonna settle post hyper offense boom of the first week
sour pulsar
Clodsire stall mirrors 
twin edge
Move over Pex
frozen shadow
But it is worse than Pex
silver tendon
Btw are y’all talking smogon or vgc
remote compass
This is the team I've been testing rn
remote compass
It's probably not perfect, but it's been insanely good on the ladder rn
If anything Gholdengo is the weakest link
Was using Kingambit before him, but pivoting into Gho sometimes just walls them off
gloomy hollow
vgc is fine, although most people here probably prefer or talk more about smogon meta
sour pulsar
What does make it rain do?
twin edge
Kill
gloomy hollow
big dick damage : ^)
remote compass
It's Special Close Combat
silver tendon
I play both, was just curious
remote compass
But Steel
twin edge
It's leaf storm but steel
remote compass
Yeah, that
sour pulsar
Why did we powercrept melmetal, again?
remote compass
Dragapult has been overperforming so hard rn
twin edge
I find it funny that EKiller exists again
remote compass
Infiltrator is too good when everyone is passing shed tails around
twin edge
It's the same with Boombursts and Bug Buzzes
remote compass
Yeah but see, Pult was already a good mon
twin edge
Did you know that Palafin learns Boomburst?
remote compass
Oh shit really
Might be worth considering tbh
But pult is better for just quickly killing their dragonite
sour pulsar
Does meteor ohko from multiscale?
remote compass
Yeah
sour pulsar
Cool
frozen shadow
Draco should kill yes
remote compass
Well he's specced
frozen shadow
With Specs
remote compass
The specs matter for the calc
remote compass
Yeah that too
I've been lucky that most of the time they're not expecting it
So it's usually fine
But I think if Pult becomes more of a prevalent counter to Dragonite, he's easier to play around
I guess if they ban Tera before Palafin, Bundle gets switched for Palafin here
Maybe Quaqaval when both go? I dunno
uncut sleet
I’m glad this guy brought it up, Weakness policy Bellibolt ko’s almost anything with discharge btw
frozen shadow
Quaqaval is probably not good enough
remote compass
Quaqaval definitely isn't good enough
silver tendon
God trying to remember these names is a pain
remote compass
I'm just accounting for when all the good water mons get banned
silver tendon
That’s the duck with the dump truck ass right
sour pulsar
From when i was building my team, the mon options were kinda lacking
remote compass
Yeah