Pokemon Scarlet-Violet Spoiler Thread

[deft oasis]

But it gets Flip Turn so that's not an issue

[wet briar]

Yeah last regrets very good

[deft oasis]

Also apparently the buff only stacks 3 times (because it's balanced around VGC which is 4v4) according to people which tested it

[uncut sleet]

What’s base dolphins speed?

[deft oasis]

100. It's the same in both forms

[uncut sleet]

Ah okay. Any bulk on it? Or is dragapult going to gate keep it from being used

[deft oasis]

100 HP, 72 Def, 62 Sp Def in regular form

Goes up to 97 Def, 87 Sp Def in Hero form

[balmy monolith]

it does get a 60 bp priority move 😄

[plush frigate]

with stab

[silver tendon]

Oh ok, both of these are a lot more manageable then

[ionic fjord]

Even with 1 mon down it’s still a 100 bp stab, potentially with adaptability

Doesn’t need to be 300 bp to be crazy

[wet briar]

explosion ferrothorn and qwilfish in rain

then spam swift swim banded last regrets backed up by hazards and go from there

[balmy monolith]

Ferro isnt in the game :v

[wet briar]

Some other mon then

although legion wont be there until 2023

[balmy monolith]

Explosion... glimmora? The best suicide lead in the game due to toxic debris?

[twin edge]

Assuming this applies for Supreme Overlord as well

[twin edge]

I really feel like toxic debris is more of a switch in/turn ability

no one is going to punch it if its in their face

[brave igloo]

do we know yet how much 1 buff is for supreme?

[twin edge]

dunno, my friend had defiant Kingambit

[balmy monolith]

I mean true but its still a good suicide lead regardless

[twin edge]

very true

[balmy monolith]

Mortal spin being rapid spin but poison is really good

Its funny that it doesnt mention it can get rid of hazards

When thats like... the best part about the move

[deft oasis]

It's apparently about 1.2 damage multiplier with one fainted

But we don't know the formula

It's neither adding fixed amount nor multiplying by a fixed amount as more pokemons faint

[balmy monolith]

tests suggest

1.2x first, 1.1x the rest

[rustic raft]

oh so 1.6x max?

[balmy monolith]

seems so

[twin edge]

not as crazy as initially expected but that is still strong

[balmy monolith]

true especially with how it seems that they stack with regular buffs so using SD will get you more power

[ebon path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1042592067118973039/SPOILER_unknown.png

[uncut sleet]

https://youtu.be/axqAOj34sUI

Wow no h forms in game

[oblique lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997586655433216081/1042571255838167130/IMG_4127.jpg

[silver tendon]

wtf is zorua/zoruark not in

reeee

oh wait they are

nvr

[swift pumice]

yea they both are in now

[brave igloo]

Looked over some of the more recent leaks

While I don't like that Battle Tower is gone, at least everything you could buy at the battle tower can be bought elsewhere

Endgame loop is now basically "do raid battles"

Is there a reason why Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant are separated from the other paradox?

[balmy monolith]

They are the respective "bosses"

[brave igloo]

well ok

[balmy monolith]

However that isnt the actual dex number position

For example
The actual dex number has 10 pokemon come after miraidon and koraidon

[brave igloo]

Alright then

[balmy monolith]

Actually wait that might be national dex number and not regional dex number

[brave igloo]

So while I am glad that they made the competitive gameplay loop a lot more user friendly, it still stands that they took away the only thing I enjoyed about endgame play

Sooooooo sticking to Showdown

[gloomy grail]

Man having played SwSh so I can't say much about that
But it feels like Pokemon games are just having less and less endgame content compared to earlier gens

[sour pulsar]

yea, i agree

post game just doesn't have the same level of single player battling anymore

[gloomy grail]

FRLG and DPP
Had a whole island for you to explore

Not to mention stuff like the battle frontier in emerald/Platinum/HGSS

[sour pulsar]

honestly

i wouldn't be surprised if the battle tower showed up in dlc

not even a full on battle frontier, just your average battle tower

[remote compass]

You'll get a battle tower, a hallway, and 1 boss and you'll like it

[crystal iron]

It's weird you can't re-challenge the elite 4

[uncut sleet]

Less than 24 hours to go

And I requested off tomorrow

If by this time tomorrow I haven’t beaten the game

Then I suck

[pearl hinge]

I'll be ready to tell you that you suck

[uncut sleet]

Thank you bolt, I can always count on you

[ornate token]

[balmy monolith]

Game is out what you mean

[finite plover]

Got off tomorrow too, but only because it was national holiday thanks to the Election recently…

My first election btw

Have all 8 gym leader been revealed yet?

[uncut sleet]

Eyy, make sure you elect fuecoco as best starter

[finite plover]

That, I will be glad to consider

Unlike the real thing that’s happening… can’t even live my day in yt while getting election ads invasion…

[silver tendon]

I’m sorry what

[brave igloo]

I think it's the same deal as SwSh

despite having a regular elite 4, you instead have that tournament as a re-challenge feature which only lets you sometimes face elite 4 members

[remote compass]

It should be the tournament, then those members

[plush frigate]

anyone have the image of all the new shinies?

wait I found it

[oblique lodge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ox3SwLFTP0ZfOj-O-1ijn8Im8kU0QnjNyi3AJ6a5feM/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABhIbzTII*INpFzg8lI2B0rQq4N03OpA#

Somewhere in here

[twin edge]

Population Bomb got new data showing that its calculated based on accuracy

Meaning with Wide Lens you have the highest chance to hit all ten

[ornate token]

interesting

so Wide Lens now have double utility

[twin edge]

It calcs the move 10 times and returns how many hit rather than each sequentially

Idk if this applies for all multi hit moves

If so, then loaded dice is terrible

[ornate token]

well wouldn't make sense for other multi hit moves tbh

otherwise you'd miss Rock Blast way more often than 1/10 for example

[rustic raft]

Sounds to me it's more like triple axel

[balmy monolith]

yup we figured it was accuracy based

[balmy monolith]

wait a second youre telling me it isnt sequential???

[oblique lodge]

Pop bomb is basically 10 hits triple axel

Always hits 10 but each hit has its own accuracy check

With a total of 90% to hit all 10 if you use wide lens

[balmy monolith]

yes but triple axel is sequential isnt it?

[oblique lodge]

Yeah it doesn't scale 20-40-60

But the mechanic is the same

[balmy monolith]

no no i meant

like

what is triple axels accuracy again?

[oblique lodge]

90 as well

I think

Per hit

[balmy monolith]

it's lower

i think 85

[oblique lodge]

Nope it's 90

[balmy monolith]

normally with triple axel is the first one is 90%, if succeeds, goes to second and its another 90%

but if what they said is true and it isnt sequential it instead check each 90% by itself instead of waiting for the previous to succeed

[oblique lodge]

Ah well yeah

You need the previous to succeed

One miss stops the chain

[brave igloo]

Which notably, makes the move a lot better

[balmy monolith]

no no look at what perry said

perry said it's non-sequential

[oblique lodge]

Welp we will see ig

[brave igloo]

If what Parry said is right, Pop Bomb is a pretty damn solid multi hit

[balmy monolith]

yeah

the chance for 10 hits doesnt change but everything lower than that does exponentially

[oblique lodge]

Pop bomb is a very solid move regardless

Until you face rocky helmet

But everything else!

[crystal iron]

Do we have a doc with the Paradox Pokédex entries

[twin edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/yxbw5n/spoiler_thread_vii_the_spoiler_awakens/iwoykpm/

[finite plover]

Grass cat’s shiny isn’t Pink… disappointed

[balmy monolith]

apparently it is sequential

[sour pulsar]

Hmm

Game has apparently a lot of performance issues

Good thing i'm prepared for that

[pearl hinge]

1.01 patch probably fixes some issues

[twin edge]

This is the 1.01 patch

[sour pulsar]

Ngl might just wait until i finish 100%ing legends arceus until i start playing violet lol

[twin edge]

https://twitter.com/Lewchube/status/1593402720236572673?s=20&t=6dUYWUcuntFDxAZhuvbDKA

Lewtwo (@Lewchube)

easily the most distracting shit about Scarlet and Violet are the Poke Ball dev cubes that sit in the exact center of every room ROFL

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Twitter · Nov 18, 2022, 12:36 AM

https://sxtwitter.com/furitaso/status/1593306063427997696

[twin edge]

Ight

with some showdown play

Basculegion is the new Dracovish

[twin edge]

(I was using it)

[swift pumice]

basculegion is ass

iron valiant?

that mon is broken

it can run a really effective physical or special set

with swords dance

or calm mind

insane coverage on both sides of the ball

insane stabs on both sides of the ball

besides the obvious broken mons

this is the one that i can see being meta defining or banned from ou

[twin edge]

Also loaded dice is ass

[swift pumice]

figured it would be

[twin edge]

Wide Lens works wonders on mouse

but too many ghost to make it useful

[brave igloo]

now let's get up to speed with Cyclizar 5Ds

As much as Iron Valiant is my favorite paradox, I also want to do a bunch with Iron Hans AV

154/108/68 AV, with Drain Punch and a pivot move

[swift pumice]

also chien-pao

im giving it...

just a single ban wave

just one

this mon is not gonna be around in ou

[brave igloo]

that was the defense dropper legend right?

[swift pumice]

yep

[brave igloo]

yeah that thing pretty scary

[swift pumice]

with 120 atk and 135 speed

dark/ice

ice shard, sucker, sacred sword

[brave igloo]

weavile who

[swift pumice]

this is better than weavile

by a long shot

[brave igloo]

exactly

[swift pumice]

ye

weavile who indeed

[oblique lodge]

iron valiant might just be my new favorite

its so fun

[twin edge]

Glimmora is awesome also

[brave igloo]

First game I play with a random ass team and Skeledirge swept after 1 flame charge buff lol

[swift pumice]

might try this extremely simple webs offense team

[brave igloo]

Iron Bundle also feels like a meme and I love it

[sour pulsar]

Man

This gen is gonna be a headaxhe for me to remember all of the names

[gloomy grail]

https://twitter.com/Bulbagarden/status/1593403371905601541?t=X_rWSsABR31ktIDQ1lQO_g&s=19

Bulbagarden - The original Pokémon community (@Bulbagarden)

Forget Mewtwo, Rayquaza and Arceus - there's only one returning legend we care about

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Twitter · Nov 18, 2022, 12:39 AM

[ebon path]

power of science guy

[bleak gazelle]

dude

new delibird

is so based

its actually kyurem on crack dude

[gloomy hollow]

yeah bundle looks great

most of the paradoxes look at least usable as well

valiant, moon, and mane all look great to me

slither wing looks solid

really the only one i'm not too high on right now is scream tail, but maybe i'm just missing somehting

[ebon path]

is iron jugulis good

[gloomy hollow]

it looks okay at a glance, lemme go look at it again

it looks decent to me, though i'd probably take a bunch of the other paradoxes over it if i had to pick

[swift pumice]

new delibird is worse than baxcalibur overall still

but it is quite decent

[ornate token]

Is there a pin somewhere for S/V exclusive mons

[gloomy hollow]

no pins in this channel right now

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/exclusives.shtml

but serebii has its page up now and i know there were leaks earlier

[ornate token]

AV Iron Hands

[gloomy hollow]

iron hands has potential

[brave igloo]

yeah so far in the limited time I've played, I really can't stand Palafin

and I think it's more that I'm annoyed at "Why did they think this was a balanced concept"

[gloomy hollow]

does palafin actually work in practice then?

[ornate token]

So does Palafin form change every switch

[crystal iron]

Praise be to the dolphin

[brave igloo]

All I'm saying is thank god for Iron Bundle

[ornate token]

ok Miraidon does learn Volt Switch

[ornate token]

So how we feeling about Iron Moth

[pearl hinge]

140 special with 110 speed is cool ig

Even learns some decent move

[gloomy hollow]

Yeah I think it's solid

[twin edge]

I'm thinking flip turn is not a move you run

Just hard switch so you don't let dolphin form hit by anything

[plush frigate]

yeah

[ornate token]

still need to know if the Hero Form changes back when switched out tbh

the momentum loss you'd have to take to re-enable Palafin a 2nd time would be astronomically worse

[plush frigate]

it doesnt

[pearl hinge]

Did you finish the game yet
Or do you suck

[ornate token]

so fully invested neutral 160 Atk is about the same as fully invested neutral 108 Atk with Tough Claws

and slightly stronger than Reckless neutral 120 Atk

so Palafin's shaping up to be a Band/Scarf user
Wave Crash/Flip Turn/Close Combat/Ice Punch
Not sure exactly how good this would be in OU since Sun is looking extremely poised to be dominant along with E-Terrain

[pearl hinge]

Alternatively you just hold booster energy and not go for sun

But probably sun team better since you can use scarf/specs your stuff

[sour pulsar]

Have ppl finally figured out how impactful is teras in ou?

[ornate token]

showdown ladder hasn't even implemented gen 9 yet

expecting anyone to figure anything out at this point is just hopium

Pincurchin about to be the next Politoed

[pearl hinge]

[ornate token]

hey

it does have everything needed to make a "weather" setter work

acceptable bulk when invested, reliable recovery, entry hazards and support moves

and unlike actual weather setters, it doesn't have to compete against Rain

[pearl hinge]

Also learns memento if you don't wanna manually switch ig

[sour pulsar]

I miss rain with m-pert ngl

[pearl hinge]

I don't

[rustic raft]

Gen 9's on showdown tho?

[ornate token]

m-pert is just him missing leg day

[ornate token]

as in with all the possible mechanics and intricacies

[uncut sleet]

I’m old as hell, I can’t freaking stay up lmfao

[rustic raft]

Oh

Derp

[uncut sleet]

So I suck

Btw the early game Pokémon variety is great

I have 22 different Pokémon caught without finishing the first quest

[pearl hinge]

Which quest? Catch a mon?

[still fiber]

I legit got over 40 mons before the first gym

[uncut sleet]

Right after catch a mon

I can’t figure out how to catch a wigglett thougu

They keep going back into their damn holes

[still fiber]

Sneak behind it and throw a ball

Like in PLA

[uncut sleet]

How the hell do I do that

[twin edge]

most

[still fiber]

ZR

[twin edge]

There was a couple bugs like Chilling water not being water

[still fiber]

While crouching

[sour pulsar]

Wait

You can catch stuff outside of battle?

[ornate token]

til Torkoal has no reliable recovery

[still fiber]

No

You throw the ball and it starts the battle

Then you catch it

[sour pulsar]

Aw

[pearl hinge]

Just teach it rest
What could go wrong

:clueless:

[uncut sleet]

I still haven’t found the pre evo of my would be favorite Pokémon

Bellibolt

[ornate token]

did any mon get a stat buff

[still fiber]

You probably did and just missed it

He is minuscule

[uncut sleet]

No way, I found like 10 gimmighouls and they’re microscopic

[still fiber]

It's around rivers

Small yellow blob

[uncut sleet]

Awkward

[plush frigate]

drowning lechonk

[twin edge]

fellas

as it turns out

Avalugg isn't goated yet

[brave igloo]

Yeah defensive Tera is not doing too well outside a one-time gotcha

[edgy garnet]

Sometimes that's all you need

[brave igloo]

I think the most defensive I've bothered to use Tera is Steel Tera Cyclizar

[edgy garnet]

BO1 format let's go

[brave igloo]

This is a great clip I saw from a game on showdown

Maushold used Tidy Up!
Maushold's Attack rose!
Maushold's Speed rose!
The spikes disappeared from the ground around the opposing team!
The pointed stones disappeared from around your team!
Maushold's substitute faded!
Tidying up complete!
The opposing Corviknight used Brave Bird!
(Maushold lost 1% of its health!)

Maushold fainted!

So far from games I've watched, Dual Screen Grimmsnarl + Offensive Great Tusk seems a very common combo

Corvinknight shuts it all down if I got it right tho

[rustic raft]

Yeah I saw a lot of dualscreen grimmsnarl from the few games I watched

https://vxtwitter.com/t_a_b_e_r_u/status/1593614067847278592?t=ZnnIvN-MZeewesX8qXGs7Q&s=19 these glitches oh my god

wrong vid

there we go

this one has a spoiler in fuecoco mid evo so posting here

[crystal iron]

Gigantamax

[plush frigate]

Finished first gym, now to go beat up Titan Klawf

[twin edge]

I think there are way too many common darks running around for prankster mons to be good

[brave igloo]

"This will all be worked out in the day 1 patched released yesterday"

[brave igloo]

A few more from videos I saw:
Pokemon can clip through the environment on occasion
Background characters clipping through environment or appearing out of nowhere during battles
It is possible that in certain spaces, you can make your ride pokemon visually disappear. You'll be riding an invisible pokemon
If you collide with certain objects while jumping, you will be stuck on those objects in free fall animation. The game will prevent softlocking after about 5 seconds or so.

And as Jebus brought up in the other thread, BLJ is possible in Pokemon SV to hop over terrain you otherwise could not.

AND you can use your ability to toss pokeballs a fair distance when starting fights to warp over smaller bodies of water.

And all this was not including all the janky camera angles

or memory leakage

[remote compass]

Holy shit

This isn't like anything buggy, it's just bad

[raven sphinx]

Poor render distance

[remote compass]

Oh wait the shadow flickers lmao

[plush frigate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh41qfWaUAAlliE?format=jpg&name=large

we should be good for brassius

[raven sphinx]

Where do you catch tinkaton and the hopper

[uncut sleet]

Yeah I’m curious about the hooper

[plush frigate]

Nymble was near titan klawf area

and tinkaton is on the hill above bug gym area

near the ruins

[uncut sleet]

Flamigo fucks btw

[plush frigate]

I have yet to find the flamigo in game

[uncut sleet]

Legitly in the first area

I spent maybe 3 hours catching all the different Pokémon around though tbh

[plush frigate]

huh, mustve missed it

[uncut sleet]

I’ll take a pic of my intial team

Give me a sec

Uh nvm, busy getting fucked

[pearl hinge]

Lol

[twin edge]

I wanna use Kilowatt

But that dude doesn't get Defog

Currently thinking up a sand team:
Houndstone
TTar/Hippo
Salt
Gold
Kilowatt

Dunno about the last spot but it's probably going to be some form of hazard control

[swift pumice]

u will probably want a defogger

cus ghosts are broken and rapid spin wont cut it there

[twin edge]

Yeah

It's a shame that Kilowatt doesn't get Defog

[swift pumice]

it probs run corv

[brave igloo]

Corv would be my first pick there

[sour pulsar]

What could've been

[swift pumice]

whats wrong with lokix

[twin edge]

Yeah Corv also fits with the team

[plush frigate]

Grass Gym fiished

[uncut sleet]

God I really hope Flamigo gets brave bird + high jump kick

[swift pumice]

it gets brave bird and close combat

[uncut sleet]

Man close combat doesn’t even make sense thematically

High jump kick would have been lit

But that’s fine ig

Def adding a choice scarf on it and adding it to my for fun team

[swift pumice]

wait

holy shit

good as gold blocks defog

oh my god

[brave igloo]

yeah that shit is scary

He's like the best blocker

[swift pumice]

gholdengo was already on my list of broken mons this gen

but now im sure

he just is

[brave igloo]

You can't even do dumb stuff like Encore him

[raven sphinx]

Toby fox definitely did the raid theme

[uncut sleet]

Yeah gholdengo might look stupid

But he’s pretty damn good

[brave igloo]

Moderate enough defenses
Nasty Plot
Recover
You can't taunt him either
You can't encore him
Can you use Trick on him even? (Answered: Probably can)

Also he gets substitute and now I question if you can phase him

[sour pulsar]

You can probably haze it, right?

[gloomy hollow]

mold breaker and mycelium might should get around it, but jury's out on if any of those are worthwhile

[brave igloo]

Mold Breaker / Mycelium:

Hawlucha
Basculin
Haxorus
Tinkaton
Veluza
Toedscruel

Only one of those that learns Defog is Hawlucha, and you'd be giving up Unburden for that.

[sour pulsar]

If only we had excadrill

Btw

Any incentive to complete the dex other than the mandatory shiny charm?

[plush frigate]

dex gives a bunch of rewards for completion

ending at shiny charm, but useful items like stones and balls are also available

[sour pulsar]

Ah

[remote compass]

Glimorra is cracked

[raven sphinx]

Who?

[remote compass]

The rock/poison type that sets up t spikes

[raven sphinx]

Got no clue what that is

[sour pulsar]

Ngl

Half of the new mons feel broken

[pearl hinge]

Yeah most are

Pote of Pokémon

[oblique lodge]

Lokix is very real in ou rn

One of the better mons honestly

[sour pulsar]

I mean

It's kinda slow, and the movepool's kinda shallow

It looks like one of the mons that's gonna be a staple until the dlc rolls around

[pearl hinge]

92 is a decent speed ig

[oblique lodge]

All you need is

Tinted first impression

Priority is THE most valuable thing rn

And lokix is veryyy solid priority

Revenges pretty much everything

[sour pulsar]

Wait wdym?

[gloomy hollow]

i don't think lokix is that great but it's better than a lot of the other early game bugs

[remote compass]

When can I play Luna

[gloomy hollow]

home release, presumably

[oblique lodge]

The meta is very HO rn

Priority beats ho

[sour pulsar]

When home connectivity rolls around, which you would assume to be present from day 1 but uhhhhh

Small indie company 🙂

[raven sphinx]

Just had an ai batton pass to put out a Pokémon with flash fire when I used a fire move

[balmy monolith]

Me running a stall team at top 100:

[oblique lodge]

people think they're so quirky for running one of four playstyles

[balmy monolith]

im only running stall cause someone said its not possible with all the ho running around and the stall nerfs

Garganacl is the most based mon though

[deft oasis]

Chien-Pao is definitely not as good as people initially thought

[balmy monolith]

am i based for running curse rest dondozo though?

[deft oasis]

It's really good, but there's a good chance to see in OU by the end of the gen

[balmy monolith]

Opponent: has 6 physical mons
Curse rest dondozo: its free real estate

[oblique lodge]

Just run fairylugg

The TABLE

[swift pumice]

https://vxtwitter.com/SkywardWing/status/1593774930906451968?t=q1yXA4lMD11R8Wj2dhZSdQ&s=19

uhhh???

[crystal iron]

He really likes that Drifloon

[rustic raft]

https://twitter.com/OoCPokemon/status/1593853640950927360?t=EWsrZinAyfu9haOtGK_Q5Q&s=19

Out of Context Pokemon (@OoCPokemon)

they t-pose on the last frame on this cutscene LMAOOOOO

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Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 6:28 AM

[balmy monolith]

Maushold has the funniest evo method

[rustic raft]

oooh?

[finite plover]

https://twitter.com/akilvers/status/1593767264909774852?s=46&t=SuKlaQpboCpe0yxWDp71rQ

🪄🎃 Annet 🎃🪄 (@Akilvers)

UM HELLO?? Ash-Greninja? 🤨

#PokemonScarletViolet #anipoke #アニポケ #Pokemon

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Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 12:45 AM

Nice painting

[deft oasis]

They retcon him out of existence both in the games and in the animes then do this. Really?

[finite plover]

won’t be able to get my copy of S or V until next month

Luckily, instead of twitter spoiling the game to me, it’s just people talking about the glitches

[deft oasis]

Just realised that these games are so out of touch with modern tech

Like, they load the entire overworld instead of just chunks

And load everything in the overworld not just the terrain so that's why it lags sometimes

I didn't even got to check if the NPCs are copy-pasted like in SM/USUM

Like every instance being a different files instead of just being 1 file that all instance get data from

[balmy monolith]

Essentially after it reaches its level threshold
If you just leave it in your party it will evo offscreen

Which makes you wonder
Since the mon is just the mon with children, what were they doing behind your back....?

[rustic raft]

Fuckin'

Apparently

[gloomy grail]

https://twitter.com/Bulbagarden/status/1593898429784018947?t=NUTd9RJprfGOlTioyR9HoQ&s=19

Bulbagarden - The original Pokémon community (@Bulbagarden)

Professor Gible has tenure

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Twitter · Nov 19, 2022, 9:26 AM

i wonder what he majors in

[rustic raft]

Wumbology

[raven sphinx]

Tfw pawmot can revive pokemon

[finite plover]

Kinda want context here but don’t mind me while I’m giving this revive-pokemon a certain dog from Alola

[rustic raft]

pawmot has a unique signature move that can revive a mon with full hp

[finite plover]

So, free Max Revive

[rustic raft]

https://vxtwitter.com/DavidToons_/status/1593830354699579393 10/10 flawless masterpiece

genuinely insane that people give gen 9 8 or even 9 out of 10 scores

simply because it's pokémon

but will shit on literally every other game with these issues

[twin edge]

Stall is very viable imo and annoying as expected

[rustic raft]

okay so you're telling me

despite them nerfing so many things related to stall

and giving many anti stall shit

stall is still viable

wack

[twin edge]

Other little observations

Weather is fun and I'm preferring defensive weather setters

Orthworm is better than Cyclizar

The Snail is actually good

[rustic raft]

nice

I'm waiting a bit for showdown to settle before jumping in

I got 0 teambuilding skills and the meta is too fresh to steal sets lmao

[twin edge]

I've been rocking wack ass hyper offense and weather

Last Respects is the funniest move

[rustic raft]

tbh I probably will just mess with kingambit if I do play

[raven sphinx]

My team is made of all new Pokémon for the first time in a while

My main issue with this gen is it suffers from gen 7 syndrome

Slow ass pokemon

[twin edge]

Yeah

[raven sphinx]

Tinkaton hits so hard

[uncut sleet]

Tinkaton has to hit hard, it’s the first natural predator in Pokémon

[ionic fjord]

I’m using like 11 pokes rn

[finite plover]

In Gameplay or lore? Pretty sure we have Durant and Heatmor

[plush glacier]

i got a full odds shiny lechonk yesterday :D

[finite plover]

Piggy 🐷

[plush glacier]

da pink piggy

i’m not evolving it for as long as i live so i can have a lv 100 pink lechonk

[uncut sleet]

Oh I forgot about heatmor hunting Durant and sandaconda eating durant’s eggs

[still fiber]

Me too and they are somehow over leveled which is honestly worrying

[ionic fjord]

I’ve been fine

[crystal iron]

isn't there a Pokemon that eats Corsola

[still fiber]

Where are you at in the game?

[ionic fjord]

I just beat the second gym

[still fiber]

I only started getting super over leveled by the phantom gym

[rustic raft]

just watched a battle where chien-pao sweeped 6-0 after a good prediction

god damn

[ionic fjord]

Got all 10 bronzer pieces now

Time to wait until I get to that town and I’ll trade someone who has the violet item

[plush glacier]

i’m only on the first gym because over half my gameplay was on a hill i found my shiny lechonk

[plush glacier]

could i trade the violet armor for the scarlet armor once i got it?

[ionic fjord]

Ye, idk how long it’ll take for me to get to that part of the game

[plush glacier]

and i don’t know as well and i still need the fragments

i need a everstone ;-;

[finite plover]

That last one I did not know, wat

[finite plover]

Mareanie

Toxapex basically

[gloomy hollow]

it's not unique, rabsca gets it too

but rabsca is significantly slower

[uncut sleet]

Finished first gym

[gloomy hollow]

nice

[uncut sleet]

Haven’t spoiled myself on move sets, so it’s going to be fun figuring out certain mon are broken naturally

[plush frigate]

no starter?

[finite plover]

Nymble IS the starter

Totally not biased

[uncut sleet]

Starters are the least fun part of a Pokémon run imo

Flamigo is my starter

At least till I catch a damn bellibolt

[raven sphinx]

I'm happy with sprigatitos evolutions

It's final forms signature move is bonkers

[finite plover]

Care to describe?

[gloomy hollow]

think wicked blow, plus it never misses

[finite plover]

I haven’t look into the new moves yet, kinda depends on them to decide my team and starter

[gloomy hollow]

grass type

[raven sphinx]

Never misses, always crits

[gloomy hollow]

fire starter is 80? bp special fire with guaranteed +1 spatk

and water starter is 80 bp physical water, +1 speed

[finite plover]

Looked at Flower trick just now, 70 power huh

[rustic raft]

yeah uh 70 power but always crits

so more like 105 bp

[finite plover]

Will be 70 if against battle armor, huh

[plush frigate]

the level scaling of the bosses are so weird

[raven sphinx]

I mean there is none

[plush frigate]

they placed them like 1 level above the previous lowest

[finite plover]

Pokemon Master made Crit hit all weird for me, just sayin 😂

Crit up +3 or go home

[plush frigate]

at least in hardcore nuzlocks you wont be catching many mons, but still this is a very narrow gap

[finite plover]

Oh wow, I thought they made another rename-ability like Protean/Libero for Sprigatito, seems like they didn’t bother doing that

WAIT, LOKIX LEARN LUNGE BY EVOLVING?!

Let’s go! It’s like I’m travelling with Centiskorch again, just less fiery

[brave igloo]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/on-the-radar.3711025/

First few things up for grabs on OU banlist are about as expected

Tldr;
Flutter Mane (Past Misdreavus)
Chien Pao
Roaring Moon (Past Salamence)
Iron Valiant (Future Gallade)
Palafin
Houndstone / Last Respects (the move)
Cyclizar / Shed Tail (or some combination)
Tera (the mechanic)

The first 4 Pokémon on that list are from being ridiculously powerful sweepers.

Palafin from being Rillaboom 2.0

Last Respects because it is highly likely there are other Pokémon outside Houndstone getting the move via home transfer.

Cyclizar for the 50/50 Shed Tail creates despite low risk from regenerator.

Tera because it so far is heavily influencing offensive metagame and making a lot of offensive clashes very do-or-die from trying to predict Tera. Tera is very much seeing more play as an offensive mechanic than defensive, as most here expected.

Also adding that Iron Valiant, while an amazing sweeper, also has great utility to function as an anti-lead.

In terms of the order they are tackling this, they are likely starting with the sweepers… Tera will not be the first thing on radar

[silver tendon]

I still need to get used to the new names

roaring moon and iron valiant are pokemon right

the first one on that list doesn't even seem like a pokemon but a move

oh

[brave igloo]

Yes, past mence and future gallade respectively

Flutter Mane is past Misdreavus

[silver tendon]

all 4 are paradox

I see

[brave igloo]

Chien Pao is one of the minor legends

[silver tendon]

Trivia
Chien-Pao is the first Pokémon to have its base stats lowered within the same generation, having its Attack stat lowered in the game's first patch.
lol

[still fiber]

Shedinja quick banned from nat dex love to see it

[rustic raft]

chien iiiis

the ice one?

[plush frigate]

they also nerfed protean

[brave igloo]

The ice one ye

Weavile 2.0

[swift pumice]

lmfao

[rustic raft]

ye that one seemed the most broken

being weavile 2.0

[swift pumice]

its still broken tbh

but yea

[brave igloo]

It is

[swift pumice]

hilarious

[brave igloo]

It’s now a guessing game on if they go for Chien Pao or flutter Mane first

Hopefully just both at once

[rustic raft]

also I thought last respects capped out at 200

not 300

[raven sphinx]

Base 50

5 Pokémon dead

Makes it 300

[brave igloo]

But where Yami is coming from was that it was originally leaked/rumored to cap at 200 regardless

However, that’s not the case

[ornate token]

Flutter Mane having 135 Speed is some cap ngl

[rustic raft]

god

that's

nuts

the 300 cap i mean lmao

Like I know that it's not meant to be for smogon since ya know

online singles is 3 v 3

and vgc is 4 v 4

[ornate token]

idk if Palafin is banworthy ngl

[brave igloo]

What would be faster:
A landsark designed like a sonic jet
Or
Someone’s raggedy scarf

[swift pumice]

palafin isnt super banworthy but its close

[plush frigate]

Terawater Palafin 💙

[brave igloo]

Palafin definitely can be debated

[swift pumice]

theres an initial vulnerability

but its even easier to enable than gren

[brave igloo]

Jet Punch is not ok

[swift pumice]

jet punch is nuts yea

[ornate token]

probably once the initial instability has settled down and the overall power level has been lowered i can see Palafin being banned

not in the first wave tho

[brave igloo]

The sweepers definitely need addressing first

[deft oasis]

Flutter and Moon are probably getting banned first

[swift pumice]

roaring moon is really really cool and really really broken

[finite plover]

Never get to use it so it’s not like I fully understand it’s strength, just how op it WAS

[deft oasis]

Pao doesn't seem as oppresive as I first thought

[brave igloo]

Roaring Moon is partially why Skeledirge and unaware in general is seeing success

[ornate token]

well i mostly only used Protean in the form of Greninja and Ash-Gren was usually my preferred choice so not much experience from me either

[deft oasis]

But it's probably getting banned at some point

I don't think they ban anything else past these.

Also they quickbanned Dragonite

LMAO

Because Encore + Tera

[swift pumice]

dnite is broken too but i think it will get unbanned

tera probs has to go

[deft oasis]

And Shedninja in Natdex

[brave igloo]

Agree, it’s not as destructive as I thought it would be but it is still a moderate issue

[deft oasis]

I honestly don't think it will. All the Tera abusers are mons already on the verge of being broken

[brave igloo]

Still way less problematic than Dynamax

[rustic raft]

kinda wild that

we are going to have 2 gens

where the gimmick is just

banned

[ornate token]

universal gimmicks do that to you

[rustic raft]

I mean z-moves

[ornate token]

Gems got banned in gen 5 right?

[rustic raft]

Yeah but very late iirc?

clearly this just means we need to bring back megas, but in a nerfed fashion

[ornate token]

Z-Moves were balanced by being one-time use and once per match at least

[raven sphinx]

Can we just make the megas like

Regular evos for the shitmons

[swift pumice]

yea i can understand this logic but even on something more mundane like lokix, tera is absurdly good at letting it just muscle past thing

*any

[brave igloo]

Imagine two fighters getting into a ring to box and you have, for one time in a match, the ability to readjust your stance instantly, even mid-punch

[swift pumice]

anything

[brave igloo]

The above is for Tera.

For Dynamax, imagine if you were boxing and at any point for 30 seconds you could multiply your weight class and possibly keep some of it after that time

Tera has similar problems to Dynamax but in a much more controlled state. It’s a lot more contextual to spiral a game out of control, but still introduces a pivotal prediction game for knockouts

[deft oasis]

I wonder if gen 9 pure hackmons is playable

Because we don't have Eternatus

That could make damage calculations overflow

[raven sphinx]

Beat the champion

10 lvs underleveled

I struggled most with the second elite four member

[raven sphinx]

The champion themselves however I found laughably easy

Arven has quickly grown to one of my favourite NPC's

[plush glacier]

anyone wanna trade violet armor for the scarlet armor

[plush frigate]

@plush glacier which one do you have?

[plush glacier]

violet one

i need a scarlet one

[plush frigate]

Maybe later

[plush glacier]

oki

[plush frigate]

on my way to flying titan

[sinful sapphire]

Ultimate Bruh moment

[plush frigate]

saved right?

[rustic raft]

... you did save right?

and disable autosave?

[sinful sapphire]

Nope, its cool though I got a Shiny Yungoose later that night lmao

[rustic raft]

damn

lmao

[sinful sapphire]

And Im p sure I have a shiny Maluhita in PoGo

[plush frigate]

Just got a fairy Tera flittle

[raven sphinx]

Yet to find a shiny

[sinful sapphire]

But ya, gane runs like ass. I also stayed up to 4 AM playing it lmaoooooo

So uhh

[plush frigate]

same Jotlico, same

unless one of those gastly were shiny

[sinful sapphire]

Did all the Titans with the cheese strat to get the mobility upgrades

Kinda faffing about between Gyms and Team Star now

Mainly just filling the dex up

And Ive done 1 Gym

[raven sphinx]

Cheese strat?

[sinful sapphire]

Team is kinda hodge podge but I got a FWG core w/ Fuecoco, Azumarill and Breloom. Corvisquire and Pawmi are near their final evo and Armourogue is p neat

[plush frigate]

bird caught on the way to fight the big one

[sinful sapphire]

Nacli w/ Sturdy, evo it at Level 24 and use Purifying Salt + Lemonades so sturdy reactivates

[plush frigate]

flying/dark cool typing

[sinful sapphire]

Works on all the titans

[raven sphinx]

Wow

I just did them normally lmao

[sinful sapphire]

I just wanted the mobility upgrades early

But ya, Gyms and Team Star now.

Plus grabbing some more of my teams final members. I need Ice Godzilla and a better Water than Azumarill. Maybe replace Breloom too.

[plush frigate]

Bagels needed some heal cheese, but thunder fang got first phase down

[sinful sapphire]

Ya Pawmi will def be out at some point

Debating using Gallade but I did use it PLA and OR recently

[plush frigate]

now for beegfren to stall while nacli throws rocks

another one down

ok Koraidon genuinely gives off toothless vibes

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-toothless-licking-tongue-dragon-gif-18642669

Arven's doggo

[plush frigate]

replaced zero-1 with a new zero-1 that has fighting teratype 😮

big kicks

[sinful sapphire]

Also ngl

Kinda like the new TM system

Strikes a good balance imo

[raven sphinx]

What the fuck is the final star leader

Their car is so bulky

What do you mean I have to wait till night to continue

[twin edge]

Man, Clodsire really is the guy

[raven sphinx]

Me beating team star... Then they bring out the 4x4s

Annnd that's all three routes

Post game time

https://twitter.com/pokemon_cs_GW/status/1593914938418171906?t=wNRkVKgXGUpyDarp8JjNlA&s=33 interactive gimmighoul map

ポケモン攻略＠ゲームウィズ (@pokemon_cs_GW)

コレクレーの進化条件🪙

新ポケモンのコレクレーは落とし物のコインを999枚持った状態でレベルアップすると進化します！
コインが落ちている場所をまとめたマップを掲載したので進化を目指す方はぜひ！　#ポケモンSV
https://t.co/G8LDakJ0qe

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[sour pulsar]

||He doesn't know ||

[remote compass]

Lmao

[raven sphinx]

Well that's not ominous

[raven sphinx]

end game spoilers ||I KNEW SHE WAS AN AI BUT THE ORIGINAL FUCKING DIED?!?!||

[raven sphinx]

THIS ENDING IS SO SICK DUDE

Game complete

[raven sphinx]

My final team

[gloomy hollow]

how's tinkaton working for you?

i know gigaton hammer is a nuke but 75 atk is also very low comparatively

[raven sphinx]

She's been pulling her weight super hard

The defences make up for it imo

[pearl hinge]

Steel fairy is also a cool typing

[twin edge]

Its also ingame

[raven sphinx]

You might notice this team is not only lacking in walls but good type coverage

Yeah some of the fights were not easy

[pearl hinge]

How hard is the game overall

[raven sphinx]

Depends, if you're like me and do everything 10 levels early then it's very hard

But if your on curve with good coverage, it shouldn't be too bad

[ebon path]

they did a great job on the music this gen

[gloomy hollow]

this one in particular is self-evident; of course it's in game

doesn't change anything, since different people will have different in game experiences

the question in particular is simply 'how is it working for you'

[raven sphinx]

I have had a lot of close calls damage wise when using non stab moves

But that hammer move is no joke

[gloomy hollow]

anyway, every streamer i've seen has taken on a bunch of the content severely underleveled

so i'm not surprised you did that too

[raven sphinx]

Things I struggled on: the final star leader, the second elite four member, the fourth elite four member, and one more that's spoiler territory

[raven sphinx]

Oh... ||You can catch a second legendary?||

[sour pulsar]

ngl kinda wondering if i should not use a starter for my first run

[raven sphinx]

SHINY GIBLE

I LOVE GARCHOMP

[gloomy hollow]

it's a new mon, so why not?

if you decide you don't like it after trying it, then sure

[sour pulsar]

i don't really like any of the final form starters design wise

[silver tendon]

idk I haven't been feeling any of the tracks this gen

everything sounds so generic compared to what I heard in swsh

[brave igloo]

I'd say the only 2 battle tracks that stood out to me are Team Star Grunt and Story 4's Battle

Particularly on the low end, I got sick of listening to the Team Star Base Raid theme after about 5 seconds.

[silver tendon]

I'm like heavy bias cause gen 7 music is hard to top since I play a shit ton of smash

but the music in this game turns annoying fast

[brave igloo]

I don't even like the gen 6 games much but the music that gen was stellar

Gen 5's music is great too just wish it had a better soundfront to work with

[silver tendon]

we got ORAS around the same time as X and Y so I can bundle the ost for that too

which was also great

team magma/aqua theme 🔩

[brave igloo]

Some people are hyping up the Elite 4 room theme this game and I just don't see it

Not when I compare it to other themes of the same context

Gen 2's Indigo Plateau Theme
Gen 3's Victory Road Theme (Also used for the elite 4 rooms)
Gen 4's Elite 4 room theme
And especially
Gen 6's Pokemon League theme

[twin edge]

https://pokemon-project.com/pokedex/img/sprite/EscarlataPurpura/Shiny/927.png

this mon is severely underrated

[gloomy hollow]

it has potential, yeah

stored power with speed boost, lumina break, both sets seem interesting

[brave igloo]

So there's a group on Showdown trying to push full stall teams

(Not my image, just found it on Stunfisk)

[gloomy hollow]

'crime apologist' seems like a fitting username

[brave igloo]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1715607447
Replay, apparently not legit 999 turn stall, but still went on for a while

legit gameplay went for at least 500 turns

[sour pulsar]

Man, i love clodsire

He's shaped like a friend

[brave igloo]

it's all fun and games for the friend-shaped fish until Flutter Mane reveals Psyshock

[gloomy hollow]

3 days later: 'the smogon ou council has quick banned flutter mane'

[brave igloo]

Flutter Man is indeed at the top of their hitlist

Actually I don't think I will fix that

Flutter Man

[brave igloo]

Found another glitch while looking over music

It is possible that the Elite 4 intro theme will carry into the regular battle, which forces you to listen to the 5 or so second loop for the entire battle

[brave igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xteN7_pa7Rw video I saw it for reference

[spiral oasis]

glimmora became my fave gen 9 mon real quick

looks good actually moving, and has a cool niche

[oblique lodge]

i just wish it got meteor beam

[sinful sapphire]

Btw, anyone got tips/a way to hit 1000 steps with Lets Go faster?

Want the evos

[balmy monolith]

Im ready for school

[balmy monolith]

Im part of it :x

Mostly to prove people wrong :v

[finite plover]

Okay no joke, I genuinely love this team, especially the names

[sinful sapphire]

Btw do the classes in School get you anything or are they just tutorials?

[silver tendon]

They do

[sinful sapphire]

Anything specific/good or should I just put em off till later?

[raven sphinx]

Throw it out, run in a circle

That's basically it

[sinful sapphire]

Ya I managed to get that evo too

[raven sphinx]

Caught one of the legendaries

[viral cedar]

I haven't been paying much attention: what's the general consensus on Scarlet/Violet so far?

I can't afford to pick it up right now(dirt broke & no job... yet) but I'm considering it

[remote compass]

Base gameplay is fun, game runs and looks like shit and is super buggy

If you've played SwSh, it's basically that but buggier and "open world"

Get them if you'd want, but they're about what you'd expect

[sinful sapphire]

Imo for Switch pokemon games:
1 PLA
2 SV
3 Lets Go
4 SwSh
5 BDSP

And there is a large gap between PLA and SV

[raven sphinx]

Gonna be honest

I didn't vibe with PLA

A lot of that game is just... Busy work

And I didn't like any of the characters in there but volo

[remote compass]

Yeah PLA's gameplay needed more content outside of just catching mons

But it's the best the series has been

[plush frigate]

https://youtu.be/jq0nh83IJ8w

Salt cheese strat

for the titans

in case you want to throw salt in the eyes of 1 third of the stories bosses

[raven sphinx]

PLA was nice as a distraction but it was absolutely not why I play pokemon

[remote compass]

PLA feels like a demo of the secret good Pokemon game we won't get

[balmy monolith]

I know at least two streamers who have SV over PLA

[raven sphinx]

I think if they manage to somehow patch these visual bugs and game crashes

Then it will be my favourite Pokémon game to date

Remember when X and Y patched that bug that corrupted your save

Good times

[balmy monolith]

Generally, people have found it very fun, outside of the performance issues

Some rate it more highly than PLA
Some have it lower
Others have it below PLA because of the performance issues

Overall people have found it to be one of the best pokemon games to date

If it wasnt for the performance issues

[rustic raft]

Yeah the overall consensus seems to be

"best of the 3d games"

"but buggy / poor performance / ugly / kinda empty"

also people are horny for the muscular women

[gloomy hollow]

i'd agree with this, except my placement of sv is tbd since i'm still waiting on my copy of scarlet

and probably swsh over let's go

pla is great tho

[balmy monolith]

Somethings to note about the performance:

Its more noticable on digital than on physical
The problem seems to be a memory leak problem so restarting the game every so often can fix a bit of the performance but its only a stop gap solution

[plush frigate]

the players mom tho

[viral cedar]

I see

[balmy monolith]

Actually i havent heard anyone call it kinda empty

[raven sphinx]

I think they might be feeling that cause trainers are more of a suggestion to fight than mandatory

[gloomy hollow]

i would say that if it's something you're actively interested in, there's no harm in giving it a try

[raven sphinx]

Meaning a lot of areas are just flat with pokemon

[remote compass]

Trainers are a suggestion, there's also no interiors

You straight up can't enter 99% of buildings

[gloomy hollow]

fwiw i actually like trainers being optional

[remote compass]

And then half the ones you can are just menus

[balmy monolith]

The interiors thing ive heard the complaint of yes

[raven sphinx]

If you like the Pokémon in those areas that's fine

But if you don't

[gloomy hollow]

in a game that people have panned for taking away more options, this is one option they actually give you

[remote compass]

Combined, it makes it feel like the world isn't really lived in

There's also way less people to talk to

[balmy monolith]

Even without the trainers i still feel like i found lots to do, mostly with item collecting and finding certain things

[rustic raft]

I've seen a few, but they all compare it to XB 1 to 3

[balmy monolith]

Okay that one is a straight up lie there is def more people to talk to here than in swsh lol

[remote compass]

I've seen a friend stream a lot of it, and there's really just not as much to interact with

[rustic raft]

The mom's decently popular, but nowhere near the top from what I've seen

[raven sphinx]

It more so say I would've liked more variety in the terrain

[remote compass]

Most are just walking a route and say a single line tbh

[raven sphinx]

Like a lot of areas are just

Flat

Occasional mountain

More flat

Or once you get to the mid to late game

Big mountains

Lots of mountains

Flat

[remote compass]

Flat but snow

Mountains but snow

Flat but desert

[raven sphinx]

Only ||area zero|| made me want to explore it

But it's relatively short

[remote compass]

Going from frontiers to watching that stream made me sad

There's a ton of stuff to explore in Sonic frontiers

[raven sphinx]

I have something I want people to figure out for me

[balmy monolith]

Unrelated, apparently you can get a lokis helmet to look like a tokusatsu hero lol

[raven sphinx]

In the entrance of area zero, the professor opens one of two doors for you

I want to know what happens if you clip through the other door

[twin edge]

https://twitter.com/munosnail/status/1594292538898321414?s=20&t=Ujeak1i_lM5xcSxQgnpLUQ

Muno (@munosnail)

Apparently in the new pokemon, if you plug in two controllers at once you can run twice as fast. Like you hold both joysticks and it just... adds the speed

these devs had NO TIME lmao

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 11:32 AM

Speedrun strats

[remote compass]

Yeah this one is hilarious

Can you use more controllers to go faster?

[raven sphinx]

Actually we've got an explanation on why

Imagine that blue dot is as far as a regular joycon stick can go

By adding another controller, the game reads it as hitting the corner of the otherwise unreachable corners of the grid plotting where the stick is

This also explains why it only works diagonally

[remote compass]

They could have fixed this in 20 seconds by just putting a cap on speed

Lmao they really did not give the devs any time

[raven sphinx]

That would require testing it with a second controller, which yeah they absolutely didn't have the time for

Also fun fact

Game has 4 testers credited

4

[swift pumice]

https://twitter.com/SmogonU/status/1594390385727520769?t=_0saHY6Z7ijUQgHL27YrQg&s=19

Smogon University (@SmogonU)

The first tiering action of SV OU has been decided: in a council vote slate, Flutter Mane and Houndstone were unanimously voted to leave OU for Ubers!

More information and the full council vote slate can be found here: https://t.co/YikcfUrFii

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 6:01 PM

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[ionic fjord]

Basculegion gonna be Ubers too ig

when it comes out

[gloomy hollow]

every standard speedrun from now til forever is gonna use that lmao

[balmy monolith]

They might just ban last respects when he comes in

[remote compass]

True. Or fixing it from the gate

[ionic fjord]

Ok so

the ice legend and roaring moon are prob next then

[balmy monolith]

Probably

Cyclizar and iron bundle are two others they wanted to check on

Cyclizar nearly got banned by the council btw lol

[ionic fjord]

Cyclizar goes hard

I can maybe see moon staying tbh

Though I haven’t had time to look at what’s been going on much

[remote compass]

I'd love to see Cyclizar go

[swift pumice]

cyclizar is probs broken

[balmy monolith]

That reminds

[swift pumice]

if tera goes, roaring moon drops to uu

[ionic fjord]

I’m loving cyclizar ingame too

[swift pumice]

moon has exactly 2 good moves

[balmy monolith]

Did i show you guys this? 😄

Its was a bit ago so im no longer there

But yeah!

Before the bans lol
But i was playing a fat/stall team

With garganacl and dondozo

[swift pumice]

i was running an anti-offense

with lokix and ditto and infinihazards

[ionic fjord]

I will say

Cyclizar going to Ubers would be extremely on theme for it

given its relation to the legends

[sinful sapphire]

Managed to cheese past ||Arven|| with a Lv 40 Corviknight pog

[brave igloo]

Looking at the ban table is pretty funny for this too

All unanimous except 1 guy who voted yes to Palafin and Cyclizar as well lol

I don’t agree with Houndstone over Last Respects

[balmy monolith]

Basically the reasoning is that since houndstone is the only one who has it they are for now banning houndstone and will reevaluate when legion comes out

[brave igloo]

Which I think isn’t that great a philosophy to begin with

[balmy monolith]

Yeah

[brave igloo]

I had the same issue with G Darm vs Gorilla Tactics

[balmy monolith]

I disagree with a lot of smogon's philosophy

[remote compass]

They're sorta locked into doing what they have to do

But I disagree on banning the dog over the move

[brave igloo]

I agree in the problem existing, but this felt pretty apparent the issue was Last Respects.

G Darm I could at least get being way more debatable

[brave igloo]

Which, the reasoning on banning just Gorilla Tactics was that G Darm becomes a lot more predictable since you know it has Zen Mode. It also doesn’t hit anywhere as hard on a scarfed set.

[remote compass]

Their philosophy makes sense I guess but it's dumb

Their logic was "he's not gonna see play without the move"

[brave igloo]

And my problem there is: in ou sure, but we are not certain of where both sand setters are gonna wind up yet either

[remote compass]

Yeah, I think it should have been worth giving it the option to be in UU or whatever

[brave igloo]

I get that same thing can be said on Speed Boost vs Blaze Blaziken, but that was also banning a Pokémon vs an ability specifically from that Pokémon

I just hope Basculegion gets it overturned at this point

If Kingambit is seeing regular play, Basculegion can probably break Last Respects is my guess

[remote compass]

Yeah there's plenty of fair speed boost mons

It's that Blaziken was the issue there

[brave igloo]

And if Basculegion does not stay OU despite the move, somehow, it will end up in Borderline hell easily

[remote compass]

Basculegion is looking promising to answer Luna if Tera is around tbh

So it'd definitely be OU if Luna isn't banned

[brave igloo]

(Brings back Flutter Mane so Tera fighting can answer Luna)

[remote compass]

Lmao that's how we fix the format

Just make OU into Ubers

[brave igloo]

If everything is Ubers

Nothing will be

[remote compass]

Exactly

[balmy monolith]

Apparently they tell you the lore behind why the 4 sub legendaries are in the paldea region

[ionic fjord]

Im presuming Ubers is just

hell

[remote compass]

Ubers this gen is gonna be nasty

[brave igloo]

Groudon: Who are you?

Koraidon:

Idk who is Saitama in Ubers rn

But Flutter Mane could easily be the Tatsumaki

Also Tera in Ubers must be a wild ride

[swift pumice]

basculegion in ubers would def be unviable

[pearl hinge]

Tera in general is a wild ride

[balmy monolith]

I like tera

[brave igloo]

I like Tera a lot more than Dynamax

[balmy monolith]

Found that tera different type > same type tera

[pearl hinge]

I still haven't gotten used to not being able to dynamax

[remote compass]

Legion is gonna be an aegislash situation

Really good in OU, especially to check Luna

But absolutely unplayable in ubers

[remote compass]

Doesn't it depend on the mon?

[brave igloo]

Different type Tera is a lot more popular rn for pushing offensive coverage

[remote compass]

Yeah I've noticed that and done it a bit myself to test coverage

[brave igloo]

… and defensive coverage for those terrorists trying full blown stall

[remote compass]

But there's also just ones that are better getting a boost

[brave igloo]

Kingambit’s most popular Tera is dark, for instance

[remote compass]

Speaking of Kingambit, Eviolite Bisharp feels really solid

[balmy monolith]

cough

[remote compass]

Every once in a while I get to fuck up an opponent by terraing glimmora into a steel type

That one is funny

[brave igloo]

Did you guys hear a cough just now?

[remote compass]

Glimmora still feels really cracked btw

[balmy monolith]

how do you think this happened

[remote compass]

Especially with something like Houndstone or Kingambit

Although, I guess I gotta switch to Kingambit now that Houndstone is dead

[balmy monolith]

Its like the best suicide lead and a generally good lead

[brave igloo]

War crimes obviously

[remote compass]

It's so good

What set have you been trying for them?

[brave igloo]

I’m still on the hopium Iron Valiant branches out to an anti-lead role

[remote compass]

I'm doing stealth rocks, spikes, reflect/light screen, spiky shield/terra blast

[oblique lodge]

i imagine ubers rn is just korai and mirai brutally murdering everybody

[remote compass]

Although I guess Terra blast is gone now that I don't have to worry about flutter Mane

[balmy monolith]

When i was testing it i was using sr, spikes, mortal spin and spiky shield

[rustic raft]

share

[remote compass]

I should test mortal spin

[rustic raft]

salt OP

[brave igloo]

Saltmon do be pretty good

[rustic raft]

salt cure do be a war crime tbh

[brave igloo]

Hi I’m Salt Goodman

Did you know you have rights?

[remote compass]

I can't get Goldengho to work tho

He just kinda feels underwhelming despite that ability being nuts

[balmy monolith]

Long story short
So a previous king of paldea loved treasure, a foreign merchant heard about it and brought to him, tablets, swords, beads and a vessel

Which the king then threw all his money at to buy them

[balmy monolith]

Its like rapid spin but poisons, its great

[remote compass]

Oh shit yeah that does sound good

[brave igloo]

The trick with dengo is to remember that you block what they do and can’t block what you do

Summon on spinners and corv, threaten with Nast Plot

What are they gonna do, Taunt you?

[balmy monolith]

terablast ghost/fire

[brave igloo]

Fr tho Gholdengo should be the natural predator to Corv, not Sack Boy

[balmy monolith]

I guarantee you there is at least one person in ladder who is so fraustrated by the bastard to actually do it lol

[plush frigate]

wait is saltmon also good competitively?

[balmy monolith]

Yes 😄

[plush frigate]

😮

[brave igloo]

He big chonker with residuals

[balmy monolith]

Stay in get chipped by salt cure, switch out and get chipped by sr

[brave igloo]

Also hard to crack down from the ability he has

[balmy monolith]

Also while fluttermane was around it was like the number 1 fluttermane check

[brave igloo]

Yeah unfortunately for Clodsire Psyshock was a thing people were doing