Pokemon Scarlet-Violet Spoiler Thread

[plush frigate]

wait the dolphin has multiple forms?

like the evo

[fallow reef]

the evo is ugly as sin

me don't like

[raven sphinx]

The fact they made a Pokémon that is literally just a tumbleweed

Like it doesn't even have eyes

That is just a tumbleweed

[fallow reef]

tbh this gen has the least interesting eye design
like most of these are just cartoony googly eyes...

[raven sphinx]

Most of them seem unfinished tbh

[fallow reef]

or ai generated

[raven sphinx]

Scovillain looks dreadful compared to its pre evo

[fallow reef]

that's not a mon that's a demon..

sushi mon is uh..

[balmy monolith]

Btw did you guys hear? All recovery moves now have 5 pp

[balmy monolith]

just dont switch it out

[balmy monolith]

It has eyes

[raven sphinx]

The pre Evo?

I can't see it

[balmy monolith]

Yeah

Its hard to see

[balmy monolith]

As you can see

[raven sphinx]

Oh yeah, image was too small for me to see em

[rustic raft]

Wow

Stall is dead

[remote compass]

Yeah about a third of this dex is fine to good

[ebon path]

thank god

[remote compass]

But the rest all look unfinished

[balmy monolith]

I just realized
Kingambit's ability is like a king's gambit in chest, sacrifice a piece to gain the positional adventage

[rustic raft]

Too many mons are just

It gets bigger evos

[rustic raft]

Pog

I do love Primeape's evo btw

Genuinely great

[balmy frigate]

I remember when someone said the snail can't be a gen 9 mon because it looks finished

[remote compass]

It's really weird there's only 4 regional variants

And 3 of them are for the same mon

[balmy monolith]

Considering the engines seem to have different types i imagine the engines have a rotom situation going on

But instead you can change the rig of the engine to change its type

Turns out dolphin evolves into similar look dolphin with heart that gets the zero to hero ability to switch to the super hero form a bit ago

[balmy frigate]

Is it good tho

[ornate token]

Miraidon spamming Volt Switch sounds broken af in Ubers ngl

[rustic raft]

So, with the bond change and anime retconning ash greninja from existing

I am curious as to why

[brave igloo]

Well we’ll have fun waiting for the SV anime to figure that out

SV anime legit not starting til at least January

[rustic raft]

Like there's this

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1590717597540143105?t=9ObyspJDScqo2oEcFU94Hg&s=19

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Dachsbun's (Fidough evo) Ability: Well-Baked Body

The Pokémon takes no damage when hit by Fire-type moves. Instead, its Defense stat is sharply boosted.

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Twitter · Nov 10, 2022, 2:46 PM

[twin edge]

Silly dudes will believe this is the next heatran

[ebon path]

that's a pretty good ability but i doubt that this mon will have good enough stats to be good

also i love annihilape

[remote compass]

Also he's a fairy type as is

[rustic raft]

based

so how do you feel about Nacli as a fellow of salt

[balmy frigate]

If only it drew them in

[uncut sleet]

Holy fuck, the design is actually pog?!

That fidough ability is pretty damn good

But yeah I doubt the stats will be good enough to make use of it

I just had an idea though

I’m going to do an all dog run

(Fuecoco is a dog)

[plush frigate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNUqfeWIAEYWZv?format=jpg&name=large

full dex btw

at least, all the new mons

[balmy frigate]

Some still look eh

[finite plover]

Someone gonna need to explain Pawmi line to me, I just don’t understand it, the evolutions I mean

[balmy frigate]

It becomes bigger

[finite plover]

Doesn’t my look any different to me

[plush frigate]

it gets bigger

and gets orbs on its palms

[finite plover]

How big are we talkin

[balmy monolith]

Like 1 shoe size bigger

[finite plover]

[raven sphinx]

They didn't want people to point out Cynthia's garchomp, I'm accepting 0 other reason for this retcon

[gloomy hollow]

With all the ability changes, did moxie also take a hit?

@wet briar protean nerf confirmed btw, if you haven't seen it yet

[plush frigate]

pawmi is very smol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNytzBWQAEzuU5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

all tera crowns

[uncut sleet]

I heard certain Pokémon get special crowns depending on which tera it is

I would imagine the flying tera pikachu you get for preordering is one of them

[plush frigate]

Nope, no special crowns

[balmy frigate]

Nah the balloons are for any flying tera

[plush frigate]

btw

[balmy frigate]

They chose Balloons so it fits on Pika

[plush frigate]

shiny coloration

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037140411170427001/1040306877000585226/20221110_114252.jpg

[finite plover]

I love the ground one

https://twitter.com/fotonodactil/status/1590434552123883523?s=46&t=4oHsHCySpcyntlr3MuMBEg

Fot (@fotonodactil)

And some Slither Wing since it's SO FLUFFY
I just can't-

#PokemonScarletViolet #svleaks

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Twitter · Nov 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

[plush frigate]

there has been a LOT of shinies being found, someone should datamine the shiny rates because this is even more absurd

then PLA

[plush frigate]

Slitherwing is baby

[finite plover]

Still can’t decide the version I want, I might just get both version if I’m desperate

[plush frigate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNgMDoXkAAUhyi?format=jpg&name=medium

suicune (not in game files yet)

[gloomy hollow]

that's a funny looking entei

[ornate token]

Fangs and Mane of Entei

[finite plover]

Raikou with new head wear

[ornate token]

Feet of Raikou

[finite plover]

Really amazing to see them giving past legendaries some updates

[finite plover]

This is real, right?

[gloomy hollow]

it would at least correspond to earlier rumors about suicune

[rustic raft]

According to what I read months ago.

Not yet, wait for DLC for that

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1590778202473041933?t=bcF06ZAIJNRLihjFncVE6w&s=19

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Zorua disguisses as other Pokémon in the overworld, it's only after you start the battle that you discover it's a Zorua.

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Twitter · Nov 10, 2022, 6:47 PM

Oh this will be pain to shiny hunt

[gloomy hollow]

hisuians aren't natively available, right?

[rustic raft]

Ye

[plush frigate]

yes

but the mon itself isnt in game

the book description is

[balmy monolith]

so chances that the number changes?

[finite plover]

Omg that name

[balmy monolith]

also dudunsparch other form is 3 segments

[rustic raft]

genuinely lame

I will repeat it again but

I hate "it gets bigger" evos, and this

is just

slap some details on

[plush frigate]

there is 2 versions

Khu said its prevo evolves to "3/4"

[balmy monolith]

so either they have an only child

or sibilings

[plush frigate]

exactly

[ebon path]

minecraft/10

[balmy monolith]

i just noticed, mass outbreaks are back

[plush frigate]

yup

[twin edge]

Bagel Bites don't know what he doin

[remote compass]

Do that

[gloomy hollow]

oh apparently recovery moves in general are being set to 5 pp

recover? 5 pp
roost? 5 pp

wouldn't be suprised if that applies to others that had higher pp before as well

also not sure how it applies to damaging moves

[raven sphinx]

Thank god

[twin edge]

Does it scream

[finite plover]

Does it bleed

[balmy monolith]

it screams

[finite plover]

Why the yellow eyes tho? I assuming it’s a vampire?

[balmy monolith]

siren

[finite plover]

Oh

[oblique lodge]

It has fangs

[rustic raft]

why does he look like he's about to shout the one piece is real

[ionic fjord]

begging Meowscarada to get knock off

[rustic raft]

OH WAIT

I JUST REALIZED

WHY THE EVO IS IN SPAIN

THE SPANISH OPENING

[ionic fjord]

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1590802688974811136

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Shiny Koraidon

Twitter · Nov 10, 2022, 8:24 PM

[remote compass]

Wait are they not shiny locked?

[ornate token]

ok waiting for shiny Miraidon then

[remote compass]

They have to have hacked it in yeah?

Legendaries have been shiny locked since BW

[ionic fjord]

These would be the weirdest legends to not shiny lock

[remote compass]

Exactly, especially when they're lore relevant

[ionic fjord]

Like I could actually understand it here

Given how much they appear in gameplay

[remote compass]

Yeah this would be the first time I'd be okay with the legendaries being shiny locked

Yeah they have to have hacked them in then

[uncut sleet]

I hate slightly lighter shade shinies

[ornate token]

it's probably the shading and lightning

Koraidon's shiny looks slightly better

[ionic fjord]

“Slightly”

[crystal iron]

if Koraidon didn't have the wheels I think I'd like it considerably more

[ornate token]

hey i like the metalistic look

it's just not..."shiny" enough to make the metal feel pristine

which is just the hardware limitation tbh

[uncut sleet]

Only acceptable barely different shiny

[deft oasis]

Ayo, ending is getting leaked rn

[balmy monolith]

hat

[uncut sleet]

And that’s just cause appletun is my boo

[balmy monolith]

its quite the trip

[deft oasis]

||The professor is long dead, we only talk to an AI||

[ornate token]

playing this on like an emulator with 3-4x scaling would make me like Miraidon's shiny a lot more

[uncut sleet]

The leaks have really pushed my excitement to a 10

Only 8 more days

[crystal iron]

I'm glad someone likes them

[balmy monolith]

It stands

[remote compass]

Honestly the leak was better pr than the trailers

[uncut sleet]

With the nerfs to intimidate, roost and recover, and tera, it’s going to be really interesting to see where comp play goes

[ornate token]

you meaning show the same shit over and over doesn't generate excitement?

[deft oasis]

What happened to intimidate?

[uncut sleet]

Legitly everything I know about comp play feels like it’s being thrown out the window

[ornate token]

hyper offense

[deft oasis]

Beyond the ability that counters it?

[ornate token]

not really anywhere else to go

[remote compass]

Yeah Tera is really gonna be all in offensive

[uncut sleet]

Intimidate is once per match now

[ornate token]

i can maybe cope that in a hyper offensive environment GF can actually start advertising competitive Singles

[uncut sleet]

So you can’t lead, switch out, switch in for another intimidate

[remote compass]

Comp isn't gonna be much different other than hyper offense

[deft oasis]

Saw a lot of contradicting information on that and wanted to check. Thank you!

[uncut sleet]

Idk I’ll let you guys know how comp goes since I’ll be making a run at some regionals this year

[ornate token]

so aside from the box art do we have any new mon with Electric Surge

[uncut sleet]

I’ll be trying out defensive tera first

The engine one is rumored to have electric terrain no?

[ornate token]

better Electric Surge yes

but it's gonna be strictly Ubers

i wanna spam Quark Drive mons in OU

and Pincurchin is like plan D for me

[remote compass]

Have fun losing to Luna

[ionic fjord]

Luna and Flutter Mane

[rustic raft]

I really wanna mess with kingambit

[deft oasis]

Flutter Mane is strictly better Spectrier

[rustic raft]

shit is way too cool

[ornate token]

This is the second time in a row where a Fighting type box art legend has an ability that doesn’t help it as much as the other version

[remote compass]

Flutter Mane is puff, yeah?

[rustic raft]

no

misdreavus

[remote compass]

Oh shit

[rustic raft]

screaming tail is puff

[remote compass]

Ahh

[rustic raft]

iirc mane has

[ornate token]

What is Misdreavus’s ability again

[ionic fjord]

Same as the others

[rustic raft]

135 speed sp.def and sp.atk

[remote compass]

Oh Jesus

[ornate token]

Hmm

[ionic fjord]

Past mons get a boost to their best stat in sun or if they have the item equipped

[remote compass]

And here I was thinking she'd suck

[ionic fjord]

Future mons get a boost in electric terrain

[rustic raft]

UBERS BABYYYYY

[uncut sleet]

Eh I’ll reserve judgment on ursaluna once we see what mythic Pokémon end up being meta. Remember this will be the first ever comp season with mythic Pokémon being legal

[remote compass]

Yeah definitely

Ursaluna counters them all

[raven sphinx]

Fucking what

[ionic fjord]

and ghost fairy

[raven sphinx]

[ornate token]

Just better Blacephalon

Think of it like that

[ionic fjord]

Here’s them all

[deft oasis]

Spectrier was banned to Ubers with similar stats and one of the worsts move pools ever. This gets banned day 1

[remote compass]

Jesus Christ

[plush frigate]

it stands 😮

walk you tiny primitive moth, walk!

[crystal iron]

fun fact: Garganacl is named after NaCl, the salt compound

[plush frigate]

the prevos do the same thing

[remote compass]

The whole line is

[plush frigate]

It's first stage is like Nacli

[ionic fjord]

Iron Thorns is gonna be the UUBL Pokemon of all time

[deft oasis]

Seeing people on the smogon subreddit argue about intimidate getting nerfed or not is the funniest thing I've seen this week

[ionic fjord]

Though

Ig it’s different enough to regular tyranitar

[plush frigate]

If I were to use the salt line, I would call it Skeet

[ionic fjord]

But it’s gonna have infinitely worse bulk

but a not dogshit type

[plush frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScCErU2742g

also fidough evo has a new ability 😮

[ionic fjord]

Man tyranitar is gonna go hard as fuck this gen huh

[plush frigate]

my fire counter

[ionic fjord]

since sun is a thing again

Actually is hippowdon in the game

[viral cedar]

I don't understand comp Pokemon at all ngl

[crystal iron]

fun fact: coral dragon is the older version of Tatsunoko

[ornate token]

You know it’s funny that Iron Bundle speedcreeps Flutter Mane by exactly 1 point

[balmy monolith]

It has a tail

[plush frigate]

btw

https://youtu.be/hHL1K4jk64k

[ornate token]

It might have a niche in the tier just for that alone

[plush frigate]

the new shiny sparkle

is pretty

[uncut sleet]

It’s going to feel so wrong having an ampharos without gorgeous hair

[plush frigate]

No audio cue though

[plush frigate]

its gonna take a while to get used to the fact that the proper names of these are great tusk, iron valiant, etc

unlike UBs which had names outside of their code names

[ornate token]

Dw no one will remember these codenames

They will just be referred as past/future X

[balmy monolith]

streamer is getting swept by the sandy shocks lol

[deft oasis]

Magnets toghether Stronk

[uncut sleet]

Where are you guys seeing these streamers

[plush frigate]

the bathroom discord

url

[balmy monolith]

thats the stream im watching btw

[crystal iron]

I haven't come to terms with how sucky past Magneton's design is

[balmy monolith]

they are at a major story point

so unless you want to be spoiled by a major plot twist

and i mean a major one

dont watch

[plush frigate]

qww

[balmy monolith]

that said the guy is struggling vs sandy shocks lol

[deft oasis]

Fake out for the win

[uncut sleet]

So is the game harder?

[deft oasis]

Paradox forms just have high statlines

And good coverage on them

[plush frigate]

also something funny, you can go to the interviewer about the championship before you get any badges

[balmy monolith]

unsure the guy has been rushing through the game and has like very little items left by this point

[plush frigate]

you just wont get selected cuz you are not good enough for the competition

[balmy monolith]

but he has been swept at least 6 times throughout the stream

once by iono

[plush frigate]

OOH we have third legendary's dex entry

[balmy monolith]

wait what?

[plush frigate]

no name found

[ornate token]

Oh so the origin of Terastalization

[deft oasis]

Probably DLC-only either way

[plush frigate]

shell is interesting, is it like a turtle?

[ornate token]

Shell can also just mean some kind of crystal formation

Maybe like a translucent Crystal Sphere with an actual mon inside

[balmy monolith]

man has now relied on x item strats to end this game lol

[crystal iron]

Plates also could refer to Arceus

[deft oasis]

Sandy goes down

[balmy monolith]

Roaring moon

[deft oasis]

got 1 shot

[ornate token]

A lot of violet’s paradox mons have unoptimized stats compared to scarlet for some reason

[plush frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037140411170427001/1040368342831222835/image0.jpg

[balmy monolith]

story was good

[ornate token]

Oh he literally wears the shogun uniform

Nice

[balmy monolith]

so end credit song is ||ed sheeran's celestial lol||

[fallow reef]

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1590818322731659264?t=V2Tid3ujPC39LDRe3joMoA&s=19

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Third legendary looks like this

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Twitter · Nov 10, 2022, 9:26 PM

guess i'm the third legendary

[balmy monolith]

also here comes post game leaks

first big thing, bunch of rematches

funny, non-important character trivia spoiler about penny -> ||and apparently penny watches anime||

[ornate token]

Having rematches is cool at least

Any battle facility?

Or new areas to explore

[balmy monolith]

also donphan is the only paradox mon available pre-post game (actually there might be one in the end game area you can catch but otherwise all are post game)

technically speaking since you didnt get to really explore the final area much, probably there

[ornate token]

It can’t possibly be worse than the top right of Konikoni Island right

[balmy monolith]

i imagine the sub-legendaries is post game since we really didnt have any indication of them even into end game

the final area is likely where the paradoxes are

[rustic raft]

shiny koraidon is so much better than miraidon

[ornate token]

The black color scheme hides the pixelation so yes

[balmy monolith]

okay forget not getting to explore it much, it's changed quite a lot

like it doesnt even feel like the same place anymore lol

[gloomy hollow]

the paradox names are probably gonna make me actually nickname them, just feels weird

[balmy monolith]

but yeah the final area is a big area which just.. completely changes when we come back (at least i think it does, it might just be me being very sleepy)

[ornate token]

[crystal iron]

@balmy monolithdo we know the origin of Paradox poke yet?

[balmy monolith]

yes

[crystal iron]

Can you tell me?

[balmy monolith]

Massive spoiler ||so uh, sada/turo made a time machine, an accident happened, some major story spoilers happen and now past/future pokemon are here||

im trying to minimize the context

cause it's a really big spoiler

when given it's full context

[balmy monolith]

That answer the question?

[balmy monolith]

You know i just realized
There is a shorter less spoilerly answer i can give

||time machine||

Oh and some sort of battle contest in the school?
Also yeah the sub legendaries is post game

That said some people are argueing which is considered post game

Im considering post game to be the part after the final area

But some people consider the post game after the ending of the 3 storylines

Anyway going to bed, 5 am

[crystal iron]

Thank you for the answer

||Though disappointing that these meh designs are the canon precursor species to certain Pokemon||

and ||even more disappointing, the future forms, where everything becomes a robot?||

[balmy monolith]

There might be more to it but thats the explanation we go during end game

Unless post game/dlc has a different answer

[remote compass]

I like that ||Larry|| is both ||a gym leader|| and ||an E4 trainer, with 2 different types but the same Ace||

[wet briar]

Whats the nerf?

[ornate token]

Nerfed Protean? Oh you mean Color Change?

[rustic raft]

it's only once per switch in. So if you use it, you're that type until you switch out and back in to change

[wet briar]

Ah yikes

libero better change too

[rustic raft]

it has

same nerf

[plush frigate]

how to evolve charcadet?

[rustic raft]

Chilly Reception

The user tells a chillingly bad joke before switching
places with a party Pokémon in waiting. This summons a
snowstorm lasting five turns.

[sour pulsar]

AYO IS THAT NUMBER 88

[plush frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037140411170427001/1040423598432718858/unknown.png

datamined stats

[sour pulsar]

So wait

They retconned ash gren out of existance?

@rustic raft @finite plover karate bugmen has 102 atk 92 speed

[finite plover]

Could’ve been worse, I’ll take it

[plush frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037140411170427001/1040426786900672632/unknown-47.png

more stats

[raven sphinx]

They didn't want to have to admit Cynthia would've kicked ash's ass with a battle bond garchomp

[edgy garnet]

Leon beat Ash in the champntourney grand finals, right?

I never got around to watching

[gloomy hollow]

they're still battling

[edgy garnet]

oh

[raven sphinx]

Iirc it's not looking good for ash

He's down to Pikachu, Leon has cinderace and zard still iirc

[edgy garnet]

There's no way Leon loses, r8ght?

[gloomy hollow]

correct

but i'd say if you want to discuss more, to move to the other channel

[uncut sleet]

If this is remotely accurate dondozo stats look good

[plush frigate]

oh we have an attack for dondozo

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037140411170427001/1040430852439556128/image.png

[uncut sleet]

Which one is dondozo again

[plush frigate]

catfish

[uncut sleet]

Whiscash?

[plush frigate]

No, new catfish

and sushidragon has an ability where it goes into the catfish's mouth

[plush frigate]

CYCILIZARD GETS REGENERATOR

Yerbanned!

[plush frigate]

@rustic raft

its shiny, IS GOLD

[ebon path]

this is a soccer ball

[gloomy hollow]

looks like a fun enough mon to me

[sour pulsar]

Oh hey it's agito

[spiral oasis]

torkoal really just became the best mon of all time

[finite plover]

First thing to do in SV, shiny hunt the fuck out of this little humanoid bug

[plush frigate]

orca

[plush frigate]

much luck to you, shinies are popping for literally everyone

[finite plover]

New shiny hunt method like sos? Better shiny rate?

[plush frigate]

We dont know if better shiny rate

no sound

but

mass outbreaks are back

[oblique lodge]

so the entire paldea region collectively has 65 spdef

xd

[finite plover]

I still haven’t got the f- time to play back Legend 😂😅

[plush frigate]

the common theory is that the way the game generates spawn is just naturally making us see more which is why more shinies are showing up.

[finite plover]

@plush frigate now the question is, if you got shiny Lokix, what will you name it

Too gold-ish for me to call it Zero one, or else it would’ve been perfect

[plush frigate]

Ooh Im not sure

[remote compass]

@brave igloo as expected, the picnic system is in fact the shitty one leakers were claiming

Also... Starters are FULLY shiny locked

[finite plover]

I wonder if I could make a Kamen Rider or Tokusatsu Run in SV or something similar

[remote compass]

ITS NOT EVEN AN EGG PER PICNIC SESSION LMAO

So you've gotta enter the picnic, leave it, repeat until you get an egg

[sour pulsar]

You could probably do it with a lot of options if you consider kaiju movies to be part of tokusatsu

[finite plover]

Literally just Mecha Tyranitar 😂

[sour pulsar]

I mean

Hydreigon, og ttar, uhhhhhhhh

Duraludon is in, right?

[finite plover]

Any Pokémon that resembles Birdon? So I can tease Ducky his nightmare

[sour pulsar]

Thankfully nothing comes to mind

[finite plover]

Yea, Birdon is a little too specific to match

[plush frigate]

OH GOOD NEWS

spawns seem to work like PLA

In other words, and yes we tested this. YOU CAN SAVE IN FRONT OF A SHINY TO AVOID FAILS

[finite plover]

So, pokemon attacking players

[plush frigate]

we risked a shiny psyduck with this test, dont let blue duck down

[sour pulsar]

"We"?

[remote compass]

THEY NERFED ZACIAN LMAO

He's got 150 Attack now

THEY NERFED ZAMAZENTA TOO LMAO

[plush frigate]

a couple of us are watching one person play the game

and we all agreed to test

[sour pulsar]

Finally, shield dog in OU

[remote compass]

The nerf was a slap on the wrist

170 to 150 isn't gonna be enough

[balmy frigate]

Posing this semi-blind (so no peeking, really hope I'm nailing the keys)

But is everything ok?

[remote compass]

In what sense

[balmy frigate]

I just noticed it hasn't even been a day and this forum already herd like thousand posts.

[sour pulsar]

Oh yea just a lot of stuff that make out

Mainly new abilities and moves

[remote compass]

Yup

[balmy frigate]

Ah, cool.

Just checking up!

Only thing I ended up getting hit with is the doggo nerf above

[sour pulsar]

I would be posting all the cutscenes here if i wasn't limited by my pc specs

[gloomy hollow]

intrepid sword also got nerfed

[pearl hinge]

Intrepid sword is once per duel now

[sour pulsar]

Ngl

Seeing the emulatorcords implode because of ppl asking for support about a game that didn't even came out yet

Is kinda funny

[pearl hinge]

There are emulator cords?

[sour pulsar]

Yes?

There's a discord server for almost anything imaginable

[pearl hinge]

Which ones are imploding rn? Yuzu?

[sour pulsar]

That and ryujinx mainly

[pearl hinge]

Also y'all said only set mode is available
Apparently only switch mode is available unless this person is lying

[plush frigate]

its only the one that asks you if ya want swap

[remote compass]

Yup, initial reports were wrong

It's Switch only

[balmy frigate]

Not a big deal tbh

[sinful sapphire]

Another Gamefreak boomer moment tbh

Then again god knows what the Day 1 patch will have

[balmy frigate]

Day 1 patch will add good gameplay

[sour pulsar]

Day 1 patch will add ||set mode ||

[balmy monolith]

If you want to raise a birdon play ultra kaiju monster rancher

[sinful sapphire]

But ya, I guess my expectations are at rock bottom so meh

[finite plover]

Haven’t look into that game other than it’s ad, also I would maybe buy Slime Rancher instead of it lol

[balmy monolith]

But why D: its a cool game
You can even raise ultraman! (After unlocking him)

[finite plover]

There’s also I think a Red king x Gomora hybrid 😅

Thats not Skull Gomora

[balmy monolith]

Skull gomora is in the game

So is five king (though 5 king is the hardest to get)

Ace killer is also hard to get but not as hard as five king

[finite plover]

Why tf is that thing there??? 😂

[balmy monolith]

In turn one of the kaijus which needs ace killer for the fusion is also hard to get specifically cause you need to unlock ace killer lol

[balmy monolith]

Who ace killer or five king?

[finite plover]

Ace killer

[finite plover]

So thunder killer as well

[balmy monolith]

Yeah thats the one!
I have the fusion item for it from the big 3 tournaments but ace killer requires you to have raised 4 monsters to get to lol

[balmy monolith]

cause ultraman ace is here too

So is zero

[finite plover]

[spiral oasis]

do we know if regular sun triggers the ability

or does the red legendary have special sun

[balmy monolith]

Regular sun triggers it

[spiral oasis]

torkoal best mon in the game

[oblique lodge]

i dont like when they use stuff like weather etc

without using the others

like why is it just sun

feels like breaking up a set

but if that wasnt their intentions of them being a set okay

[ornate token]

well thematically Sun represents the pre-modern era the most due to it being the original "light", as opposed to the Electric "light" of modern society

they intended for those 2 to be counterparts

but they had to neglect other weathers in exchange cuz those didn't fit in the theme

[oblique lodge]

yeah i get what theyre going for but sun/rain has been such a lock ever since gen3

wouldve perferred if they just made a new terrain/weather/field condition

or something like that

[ornate token]

that probably would have been best yeah

[spiral oasis]

I think buffing one is kind of buffing the other though

because rain counters sun

[ornate token]

nah

[spiral oasis]

well, not quite

but

[ornate token]

Sun with Protosynthesis is just miles ahead of Rain rn

[spiral oasis]

bringing ran to turn off sun

[oblique lodge]

yeah but not in a "cool" way, rain is getting no new toys while sun gets like what 10 mons

[spiral oasis]

it better than no weather at all

yeah no new toys is true

[oblique lodge]

(personally dont even like rain at all but)

[ornate token]

Protosynthesis and Quark Drive being so customizable makes them function like multiple other abilities combined

[spiral oasis]

sun was better than rain anyway lol

since grass is also a sun type for some reason

[oblique lodge]

well historically rain has done better for itself

comp wise

[spiral oasis]

i'm a vgc player

[oblique lodge]

ah, in vgc yeah sun is better

torkoal op

[ornate token]

yeah historically Rain had a better "synergy" in singles

[oblique lodge]

every time

[spiral oasis]

torkoal is actually the goat mon

its weird that for the official in game format

[oblique lodge]

when kyo/groudon are allowed its about equal though

in viability

[spiral oasis]

you only have one mon to turn on the abilities of all these guys

[ornate token]

yeah

[spiral oasis]

unless you use that item ig

[ornate token]

the only difference is GMax-Zard in gen 8 is so broken that Groudon pulls ahead by a bit

[oblique lodge]

sunroom is so fun oml

[spiral oasis]

yeah torkal turns on 2 strong gimmicks

terra fire eruptions also one hit ko ing everything that doesnt 4x resist

[oblique lodge]

yeah but rain makes up for it by kyogre just being so brutally unforgiving

you can like, manage around groudon unprepped for it

[spiral oasis]

I think i saw some new abilities like sand spit

i like that they're focusing more on terrain and weather honestly

[oblique lodge]

i think its really good though for singles

that you can get the quark/proto abilities with the item

[spiral oasis]

singles is going to be run by misdrevous surely

it seems so insane

[oblique lodge]

but if its one turn consumable item rip, just super offense leaning

[oblique lodge]

def

[spiral oasis]

stronger shadow ball than gengar and moonblast than lele, faster than koko

[oblique lodge]

is it just me or

does every new mon have 65 spdef lmao

whole region swept by any special attacker

[crystal iron]

Make grass a rain type too you cowards

[spiral oasis]

whole region wearing AVs

[ornate token]

Delibird has a barely higher speed than Misdreavus

[spiral oasis]

the hariyama with an AV looks so sick

[oblique lodge]

for sure

[ornate token]

So it might function as a check somewhat

[oblique lodge]

new melmetal

[spiral oasis]

thoughts and prayers it gets plasma fists

[oblique lodge]

(sadly melm is still probs better cuz steel is broken)

[spiral oasis]

since other wise its what

thunder punch

wild charge on a fat mon

[oblique lodge]

i never thought about it but plasma fists would fit so well thematically

but gf is stingy

when it comes to electrics

[ornate token]

Didn’t gen 8 introduce some signature moves for the galarian birds

[spiral oasis]

i havent seen the new moves, but the rat is electric fighting

so maybe there is a new move

[oblique lodge]

yeah

each one got a new move

[ornate token]

Thunderous kick or something

[oblique lodge]

thunderous kick, fiery wrath, freezing glare

kinda funny how fiery wrath is literally dark pulse but more flinch

didnt even bother with that one did they

[spiral oasis]

give it to new hydreigon

so its can be moltres 2.0

switch in get a speed boost, click nasty plot once and you're double dance moltres

[oblique lodge]

i do not believe in new hydrei

[ornate token]

Dark Flying is an ok type

[oblique lodge]

also cuz idt hes themeatically all that intresting

or different from reg hydrei

[ornate token]

Altho a lot of these mons have like balanced stats compared to Misdreavus

[spiral oasis]

yeah it seems weird mence and hyrd just swapped types

misdrevous is crazy

is there even a mon that resists ghost and fairy

[oblique lodge]

no :)

cant even blissey vs it

[spiral oasis]

yeah good

[oblique lodge]

8 recovery pp gg lol

[spiral oasis]

good think every new mon is AV

no there is actually

[ornate token]

Normal Fire exists

[spiral oasis]

the normal poison guy

[ornate token]

Normal Poison idk

[spiral oasis]

grafaiaia

[oblique lodge]

im just inherently very scared of anything fast and strong with shadow ball

[spiral oasis]

moonblast*

[oblique lodge]

yeah beating darks for free is wild

[spiral oasis]

shadow ball sucks, only reason dragapult stayed OU

[oblique lodge]

look at what dragapult did to gen 8 singles

with 100 spa

[gloomy hollow]

pyroar carving its niche as a switch in to misdreavus (then gets smacked by coverage)

[oblique lodge]

misdrevious has 135 spa

[spiral oasis]

its banned in nat dex because it can use ghostium Z

[oblique lodge]

the random lower tier guy with correct typing to wall never works out in practice unfort

mostly cuz its so narrow, running an entire mon just for one guy

[spiral oasis]

misdrevous coming out with +1 in sun is so fucked up

[ornate token]

If anything you’d just run fat AV mons

[oblique lodge]

i think all the new proto/quark stuff can be potentially

very catastrophic

[ornate token]

well yeah

[oblique lodge]

straight up starting with +1 with 0 downside is idk

[ornate token]

it's designed for hyper offense

[oblique lodge]

dont even have to give up your item

this is way scarier in vgc

[spiral oasis]

they didn't make enough fat ones

[oblique lodge]

where you can setup the conditions on the spot

[spiral oasis]

unless jiggly walls everyone

[ornate token]

what's jiggle typing

[oblique lodge]

jiggly is intresting but i think its gonna be let down by its typing + movepool (we dont know movepool but just a hunch)

[spiral oasis]

lele

[oblique lodge]

psychic fairy

[ornate token]

oh cool

loses to ghost

[oblique lodge]

its on paper not bad but i think its just awk defensivly

[spiral oasis]

its fast and fat though, so its ok

but yeah ghost is broken so idk

[ornate token]

Ghost is already the most spammable type for offense ever

[spiral oasis]

i also think elon tusk is cool

[oblique lodge]

mostly cuz

fairy psychic doesnt really resist anything

so you cant play off of that

[ornate token]

in a hyper offense meta

[oblique lodge]

which one

ground/fight?

[spiral oasis]

them making a 3 stage fairy steel is scary too, since its probably got ok stats

steel one

[oblique lodge]

both donphans give me big "just kinda exist" vibes

[oblique lodge]

steel and?

[spiral oasis]

ground

[ornate token]

the good thing about SV's weather war is that

[oblique lodge]

did you see the ground dark

[ornate token]

Sun and ETerrain don't overwrite each other

[oblique lodge]

with like ungodly bulk

[rustic raft]

oh, so decent lower tier with decent shiny

[spiral oasis]

which is ground dark

[oblique lodge]

Ting-Lu-0 - 165/110/130/50/80/45 (Total: 580) - Dark/Ground

ability is special intimidate

[spiral oasis]

future donpphan has handsome stats

90/112/120/72/70/106

[oblique lodge]

165/130/80(with intimidate) is ungodly

[spiral oasis]

thats a VGC mon for sure

[oblique lodge]

and dark ground is no slouch

[spiral oasis]

intimidate ✅
trick room ✅
fat ✅

[oblique lodge]

re: intimidate: unsure how it works, its not exactly intimidate, i think it also affects your mons?

[ornate token]

you can probably EV and Nature train that to get a SpDef boost tbf

[oblique lodge]

but its something that debuffs spa

[spiral oasis]

is that a legendary though

[oblique lodge]

i think its one of the 4 set

[ornate token]

its stat isn't even 590

and those are supposed to be the "alphas"

can't see how this would be a legendary

[spiral oasis]

oh shit urshifu is back too

[oblique lodge]

252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 470-554 (88 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

(unoptimal evs)

but just to show wtf 165 hp does

[spiral oasis]

the water one is better in vgc

since everyone intimitdaes/gets dynamax boosts

[oblique lodge]

oh ik

but its the same stats isnt it

im a bigger fan of the water one in most metagames

[spiral oasis]

yeah, but you're never CC-ing a krook in vgc

[oblique lodge]

water/fight is super clean defensive typing

[spiral oasis]

oh yeah

the water starter

[oblique lodge]

urshifu kinda busted

[spiral oasis]

moxie + an attack which boosts speed

[oblique lodge]

im really happy gren is back

and nerfed

so hopefully it stays legal in ou

[spiral oasis]

scarf u-turn gren untouched

which was the nasty set imo

[ornate token]

oh yeah

[pearl hinge]

Scarf U-turn gren was neat

[ornate token]

the Protean nerf is massive

[oblique lodge]

not that massive

i think the nerf was very good

[spiral oasis]

kecleon btfo

[oblique lodge]

but keeps the ability still very much intended and viable

[ornate token]

it is massive tbh

[oblique lodge]

if you only stay in for 1-2 turns at a time anyways who cares

[spiral oasis]

tis pretty big for vgc

[ornate token]

especially when you view it through the lens of like Cinderace and not Gren

[spiral oasis]

cinderace was HUGE for like 1 format

[oblique lodge]

arent all the protean guys rly bad

[spiral oasis]

in the first HA format cinder was like the premier attacker

but that was a limited dex

basically since it had flying + steel coverage

mostly flying

[oblique lodge]

actually insane that eleki randomly got bounce

surely gamefreak had the foresight

to see that was not gonna be a good idea

[spiral oasis]

y'all mind if i 120bp tailwind

grimmsnarl being back in the dex is a pain too tbh

[oblique lodge]

wdyt of mirror herb in vgc

seems potentilly intresting

[spiral oasis]

what it do

[oblique lodge]

if they boost you also get the boost, consumeable

i think*

[spiral oasis]

oh interesting

honestly it would always be on

since I see every single team being sun + ancient forms

[oblique lodge]

seems less good with no more dmax

[ornate token]

Swagger strats

[spiral oasis]

oh ew you can put it on an ancient mon

switch and and get +2

[gloomy hollow]

put it on lando for that nice anti-defiant : ^)

[oblique lodge]

did defiant get nerfed or was false rumor

same for intim

there was a bunch of abil nerfs but then half of them were fake

[spiral oasis]

I dont mind if they stay the same

intim is broken but everyone knows that

so its fine

they also buffed a bunch of abilities last format to get around it

[oblique lodge]

so funny that with intim

[spiral oasis]

like oblivious I think

[oblique lodge]

incin, the fire type is the groudon counter

[gloomy hollow]

as far as i've seen, the description for intimidate matches its functionality in previous gens

but idk if anyone's confirmed

[spiral oasis]

do we know what the doplhins ablility does

I saw 160 att and got a lil worried

[gloomy hollow]

change form when you switch it out?

that thing?

[spiral oasis]

switch out?

[pearl hinge]

Yeah

[spiral oasis]

that seems pretty nasty in singles

[pearl hinge]

Zero to Hero
Pokémon transforms into its Hero form when it switches out

[oblique lodge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ox3SwLFTP0ZfOj-O-1ijn8Im8kU0QnjNyi3AJ6a5feM/htmlview?pru=AAABhIlBYO0*J8inndFU9BXzbDWeb7lxAQ# maybe have this pinned?

[gloomy hollow]

my tinfoil conspiracy of the evening is that they killed set mode to prevent kids from using it on accident, so they can remind them that switching out exists for things like that

[spiral oasis]

I'm also so happy perrserker is in the game

[oblique lodge]

100 160 97 106 87 100

[spiral oasis]

he's my pet mon for meme vgc teams

[oblique lodge]

these are pretty wild stats

will have to see

triggering the form change is super free in singles

[spiral oasis]

if all you have to do it pivot to slowbro

its free

[oblique lodge]

sounds a bit too gimicky in vgc

[spiral oasis]

yeah its not a vgc mon

but scizor + steely spirit perrserker being in the game immediately is so good

[oblique lodge]

youd need like rilla incin support but if the format has those guys its probably too high power level for it to compete in

[ornate token]

balanced bulk for some reason

[oblique lodge]

its basically 100 across the board

[ornate token]

and 100 Speed is middling nowadays

[oblique lodge]

which is reallllly bulky

[spiral oasis]

idk like put a band on it and what is living

in rain

[oblique lodge]

gotta see its movepool

if it gets real coverage

[spiral oasis]

who cares just click water move

is pex in

ig slowbro is

its like if wishiwashi didnt have alola speed disease

[oblique lodge]

wishiwashi is way harder to trigger

[spiral oasis]

arcanine getting rock head is also nice

[ornate token]

wasn't Pex confirmed in

from the 1st trailer

[spiral oasis]

yeah pex is in

[oblique lodge]

man vgc is boutta be

the ultimate weather wars

for like the first many formats

wait is tork even in

[spiral oasis]

yeah it is

tork and pincurchin both are

[oblique lodge]

thats the balance, remove all the setters

we need koko back

aint nobody using pincurchin

[spiral oasis]

in running cetitan hail

[ornate token]

Koko is not balanced tf when the other side has Torkoal

[spiral oasis]

oh wtf

the sushi fish has storm drain

thats crazy

that ability makes ANY mon vgc viable

[ornate token]

what's its typing

[spiral oasis]

water dr4agon

[ornate token]

cuz Gastro has a lot more than just Storm Drain

[spiral oasis]

and it has synergy with the other fish but idk what it does

[ornate token]

that...doesn't sound that good

[spiral oasis]

gastro is in too so ig its not worth it

[pearl hinge]

Btw is photosynthesis only once when the monster enters the battle or once per game

[ornate token]

we don't know

altho i'd assume it's the former

[oblique lodge]

torkoal broken

idt its unbalanced

pincurchin is the actual unbalance

[spiral oasis]

oh terrain and weather don't even conflict

thats insane

[ornate token]

if it's VGC with one Restricted mon allowed

[oblique lodge]

dont they start it off no restricteds

[ornate token]

Miraidon > Koraidon

[oblique lodge]

atleast until like dlc

[spiral oasis]

for sun/moon there were 0 restrictred until all the dlcs were done

[oblique lodge]

i think in singles the electric one will be better

just cuz i can envision a moveset for it

[spiral oasis]

sword/shield*

[oblique lodge]

and theres no good phys dragon move

meanwhile draco meteor freeeee

[ornate token]

nah it's just better generically because its ability synergizes more with its typing

[spiral oasis]

do they have signature moves

[oblique lodge]

surely

we dont know much about moves in general rn

[spiral oasis]

ig they would be fire/elec though

since those seem to be their main things

[ornate token]

it gets an attack boost and a field effect that boosts one of its STABs

[oblique lodge]

what i dont get is

why is sun the gimmick of past

and the legendary has nothing to do with sun

[spiral oasis]

its red

[ornate token]

compared to that Koraidon only gets an attack boost and an enviroment that only boosts one of its coverage

[spiral oasis]

I think one being terrain and the other being weather is deliberate

[ornate token]

and Discharge in VGC is easily broken

[spiral oasis]

so they dont conflict

[oblique lodge]

classic groudon kyogre

rain boosting both stab + weather

[oblique lodge]

yeah def

so you can mix and match easier

good choice

[spiral oasis]

sun doesnt boost groudons stab

[ornate token]

yeah they didn't want "weather wars" overwriting one another

[oblique lodge]

brings out more variation in building

now theres a weather war

alongside the terrain war

[ornate token]

so they made one a terrain one a weather

[spiral oasis]

it also lets random mons counter it

[oblique lodge]

and both sides trying to capatilize off of both conditions at once

[spiral oasis]

like rillaboom was already cracked

and now it eats future teams alive

[oblique lodge]

fire poison future volc says hello

140 spa btw

kinda brazy

[spiral oasis]

oops i run high horsepower

[oblique lodge]

balloon f it

[ornate token]

if we're traversing into the jank tech category

[spiral oasis]

sash + grassy glide to break it

[ornate token]

we do have all the rotom forms

[spiral oasis]

rotom heat legit best of both worlds

[oblique lodge]

i wonder if youd use manual terrain/weather

[spiral oasis]

broken as usual

[oblique lodge]

rotom heat really been on that glowup

since gen 8

was always "lol use wash"

[ornate token]

can't live in your cousin's shadow forever

[spiral oasis]

i brought rotom heat to the oceanic vgc tourney thing a few years back

with my perrserker + durant team

[oblique lodge]

i would like it if the rotoms got a stat buff

[spiral oasis]

all the entry prizes were for the tcg, so I still use the mat

[oblique lodge]

theyre so good but just the stats are so below their peers (which ig is a testament to how good they are to have much stronger peers)

[spiral oasis]

levitate + electric comes with a stat penalty

I'm also ignoring terastalising in my evalutation of every mon

[ornate token]

Levitate + Flying/Electric on the other hand...

[spiral oasis]

just in case they hjit you with bong weezing

[ornate token]

actually any Rotom form Terastalizing into Electric means they lose their weaknesses

[spiral oasis]

and get hella STAB

[oblique lodge]

me too but thats because i play primarily singles

and that shit is getting banned lmao

[spiral oasis]

its just impossible to guess how good something is

[oblique lodge]

yeah

[spiral oasis]

and then how good it is if it was every other type

[oblique lodge]

you cant theorycraft to that extent

cuz thats truly dependent on the meta around it

and what types are good etc

[spiral oasis]

yeah like terra steel or fairy

probably good on most things

[oblique lodge]

but then its the rabbit hole of oh but if the meta is that then this then that

but the actual answer is

it doesnt matter

pick a type either way itl be busted

[spiral oasis]

for you

[ornate token]

the actual answer is hyper offense with every mon being a stab Tera

[oblique lodge]

nah i mean the mixup on types for some mons

[spiral oasis]

steely spirit is like my fave ability

[oblique lodge]

it doesnt actually matter

[spiral oasis]

and all of a sudden it works for every mon in the game

[oblique lodge]

if you pick any good one

btw caly s is in

tell me how you beat tera calys

[ornate token]

beat the shit out of the player

[oblique lodge]

also btw no dmax

[spiral oasis]

do we have the text for earth eater

[oblique lodge]

so calys truly farms everything

[spiral oasis]

is it storm drain or water absorb

[oblique lodge]

in like 2 years when it sees its first vgc format

[ornate token]

it specifically said heal

so water absorb

it was posted amongst the others here yesterday

[spiral oasis]

the less abilities with that insane redirect the better

[ornate token]

tbf

an ability can both redirect and heal at the same time

there's no rule that states otherwise

[spiral oasis]

don't scare me

[oblique lodge]

the new tentacruel line is so funny

just by looks

[rustic raft]

bruh

the pseudo's ability

Thermal Exchange: Boosts the Attack stat when the Pokémon is hit by a Fire-type move. The Pokémon also cannot be burned.

[spiral oasis]

is it ice dragon

[rustic raft]

yes

[spiral oasis]

damn, so it can even live a move

[rustic raft]

it gets stronger from will o wisp

[spiral oasis]

wisp is ghost

[oblique lodge]

oh

one thing

we dont actually know

if proto/quark drive works off of regular weather terrain

[rustic raft]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Will-O-Wisp_(move)

[oblique lodge]

or specifically the legendaries weather terrain

[spiral oasis]

oh i'm wack

my bad

[ornate token]

Searing Shot

seems designed to work with that

cuz you don't care about the 30% burn

[rustic raft]

but yeah, seems like it's a super wallbreaker

[spiral oasis]

that was my original Q smh

[oblique lodge]

it could go either way really

feels very limiting to only work off of the legends

[spiral oasis]

yeah i'b be surprised

weather and terrain are so big in vgc

unless they start off with allowing restricted mon

[oblique lodge]

disregarding comp just on a gameplay level

so limiting

[spiral oasis]

on a gameplay level they probably assume the legendary is on your team

[oblique lodge]

oh for gameplay

they could just make regions

where the land is naturally giving off the terrain/weather

thats probably it

[ornate token]

that'd be annoying tbh since apparently there are a lot of trainer rematches

[rustic raft]

Tidy Up

The user tidies up and removes the effects of Spikes, Stealth Rock, Sticky Web, Toxic Spikes, and Substitute. This also boosts the user’s Attack and Speed stats.

WHAT THE FUCK

[spiral oasis]

surely the trainers dont have these mon

[ornate token]

oh so

punishing hazards

[rustic raft]

So it's fucking Dragon Dance + Defog AND kills sub too

[ornate token]

they heard the complaints of Defog not working through Subs and Spin not dealing with Subs

so now they make a move that deal with both

[oblique lodge]

this is one of the most wtf things in a while

[spiral oasis]

did samurott's move set hazards in PLA

[oblique lodge]

we just pray its on a shitmon

and leave it at that

[rustic raft]

bro, gamefreak wants stall DEAD

[oblique lodge]

i will say

this move is getting omega banned

in om's

[spiral oasis]

its legit rapid spin but also attack

better have like 5 bp

even then

[ornate token]

and also break subs guaranteed

[spiral oasis]

not leech seed though

[ornate token]

and isn't punished by Iron Barbs/Rough Skin/Rocky Helmet

[oblique lodge]

like 1 pp lol and even then

[rustic raft]

this better be on some REAL shitmon

[oblique lodge]

it breaks sub for 0 reason

just to make sure you get the message

[rustic raft]

if it's on any

competent mon

[ornate token]

well what revealed mon would need to tidy up in theme

i can see this even being a signature move for that mon tbh

[rustic raft]

cincinno line ig

also holy shit

the stats of the dolphin

100/160/97/106/87/100

[spiral oasis]

Hero forme

[rustic raft]

*Neo-Spacian Form

[ornate token]

Well what about base form

[oblique lodge]

[marine dolphin] @floral zealot

[floral zealot]

Neo-Spacian Marine Dolphin

Level: 4
[ Warrior / Fusion / Effect ]

ATK 900 / DEF 1100

Effect

This card's name is also treated as "Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin". This card cannot be Special Summoned except with "NEX". Once per turn, you can discard 1 card to look at your opponent's hand and select 1 Monster Card in it. If you control a monster with ATK greater than or equal to the selected monster's, destroy the selected monster and inflict 500 damage to your opponent.

F/L Status: Unlimited (TCG/OCG)

[ornate token]

[rustic raft]

100/70/72/53/62/100

[oblique lodge]

100 70 72 53 62 100 457

but transforming is free

[spiral oasis]

Still fast

[rustic raft]

transforming is based on switching innit

just give it the water u turn

[spiral oasis]

What if it gets flip turn

Ye

[oblique lodge]

just lead it

and switch out

or get a double

[spiral oasis]

And then ttar busts out the new electric type pursuit