#Yugioh Lore Discussion

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hushed dune
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Lmao

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lore!

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I know why we don't have the translations yet but I'm just so excited for them PikaSparkle

halcyon crane
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Is this alt art or new card

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@halcyon crane just alts. Cartia (about to tun unto the white Albion thing) and Despia alluber (he seems to have alba zoa/dis pater powers)

halcyon crane
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# halcyon crane

BTW, look at aluber, he has his gem still broken from when Albaz broke out from alba lengths chest orb.

frigid flame
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Chat what if Kitkallos is Diabellstar in the future

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Totally serious theory trust

jade iron
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Kitkallos is Luster Pendulum

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frigid flame
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And we know they hunt Ojamas KannaSip

frigid flame
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Chat we did it

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Visas

lean surge
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Born from the “Zefra” and ordered to exterminate all life forms, Tierra commences its attack. Protecting their friends from the onslaught, Ritual Beast Ulti-Gaiapelio and its tamer, Lara, both receive fatal wounds. In that moment, Gaiapelio decides to use the last of its power to grant its everything to Lara. Gaiapelio’s soul then merges into Lara. Given this power, Lara also inherits the power of the “Defender of the Sacred Tree”. As a result, Lara was able to obtain both the power of Creation and Destruction.

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Lara "Never mentioned in the LORE" is also a holder of both Creation and Destruction.

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Truly, Konmai storytelling is on a diff plane of existence.

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Activation of [return 0;]

The rebirth of “Sophia” heralds the reactivation of [return 0;]. For the Genex, improvement of the world meant to destroy the world created by “Sophia” and to recreate it for “Tierra”. Having been acting as the Goddess of Rebirth, they return to the programming to create “Return Zero”. Mounted by “Repair”, the ultimate weapon heads to battle to return both the goddess and the world it created back to nothingness.

halcyon crane
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Lara decided she's god now after Komoney ignores her

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Man why everyone wants to be Sophia

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Next thing we get Ojama Sophia, Goddess of annoyance

hushed dune
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And then it's just Ojama King with a Wig

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And a bikini 👙

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Ojamegami
(This card is always treated as an "Ojama" card.)

hushed dune
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I recently learned that Pearl killed Disigma
Funniest shit I have ever seen

hollow wraith
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he died of diligma

hushed dune
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He tried to equipp Deck Destruction Virus

wild siren
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"Nice effect asshole, now check this out."

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jade iron
hushed dune
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Oh yeah
Pearl was on a lot of Xyz Backrow

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hushed dune
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I guess that's a pretty nice card for Pearl since theres no effect to detach them anyway

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Holy shit

jade iron
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The rest aren't super relevant

hushed dune
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Be not afraid they said

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lean surge
jade iron
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He hangs out with Constellar Ptolemy at one point

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wait

lean surge
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How does the Aether Numbers fit into DT?

jade iron
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He's being petrified

lean surge
jade iron
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Isn't he already a rock??

jade iron
hushed dune
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Pretty much all of the Absorbed ones are dead right?

jade iron
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yeah I just don't remember anyone else who got absorbed

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Gustkraken judging by the tentacles

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Get fucking got

hushed dune
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They killed God

warm minnow
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any idea when the new manga chapter will be translated?

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theres raws out there, found a portugese translated one

lean surge
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Ducky is the one who does them.

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If you have a link to the jp raws, ping him.

warm minnow
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Sorry, it was Indonesian

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It's from a FB post

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ill try to find the jp raws

foggy lotus
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Oh fuck's sake the raws are out?

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Ugh

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My usual place didn't have them reee

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I'll have another look tomorrow morning

halcyon crane
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Well if it was ID I can help translate

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That said am afraid of missing context

foggy lotus
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WHERE ARE THE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWS

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warm minnow
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I couldnt find the raws either 😦

foggy lotus
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I got'em

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I'll try to have it done tomorrow morning before work

foggy lotus
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@foggy lotus so spoon is dead ?

foggy lotus
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likely...

white depot
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Cool touch that they used the symbols from Theurgy for their combined move

lean surge
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Killing him offscreen in weird tho.

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I'm thinking he got absorbed by Zoroa (maybe not even on purpose) and he'll show himself after Zoroa goes full out of control, lets a destroy the theurgy and flood the world with mana mode that he was at the start of the manga, to do the whole you still have good in you or whatever speech.

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Kinda funny that the Manga turned dark for a ygo thing

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Zoroa being like: yah I called ma mother...

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Can't unsee

hushed dune
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Holy shit

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Did they really just use Flamewingmans Head for that one weird Synchro?

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It looks like it

halcyon crane
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I like to imagine that Star Eater is somehow sealed to Flame Wingman arm, Nube/Zafina-style

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Made you wonder what Burstinatrix actually is...

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Where burst has an evil thing sealed inside her and that's from where she gets her fire power.

halcyon crane
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Made sense, Star Eater has multiple set of eyes, but when Burst channeled it, only has one pair of eyes

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To represent that she only tap the energy, not fully unleashed it

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Makes since why burst is the one that gets the evil hero Fusion lol

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jade iron
halcyon crane
viral orbit
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Nah that's her evil dad sealed inside her

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And one day will come out and eat the sun.

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Like it has been prophesied

halcyon crane
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Infernal Sniper also Burst based fusion, even more than Rampart Blaster

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It's not just Burst with Clayman armor, the armor are now fitted to her color

jade iron
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what would an Evil Hero Mudballman be?

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Evil HERO Sludge Ogre to go with Lightning Golem.

jade iron
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yeah I was thinking of pollution

halcyon crane
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Captain Pollution!

long bison
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God damn, Burstinatrix, the Star Child? monkaOMEGA

viral orbit
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I still don't get wtf's going tbh

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Satellarknight Unukalhai > turn into > Shaddoll Squamata.
Then Qliphort Genius > fuses with > Shaddoll Squamata > to make > Qliphort Genius... ?

jade iron
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Unuk -> Shadow Prison -> Squamata (to steal the power of connecting stars) -> corrupts Bixi into Jiatou -> Jiatou synchros with Taotie -> Yazi -> <MISSING ENTRY> - Taotie is purified & Lara rides him

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The question is where does Nehshaddoll come in the timeline

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Because if it exists before Squamata, that's easy

viral orbit
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Could even exist before squamata tho

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From were did it get the Qli parts then

jade iron
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The problem is its first incarnation (as genius) is a Qliphort card

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If it started out as Nehshaddoll, then it'd be a bit simpler

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jade iron
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It's a very confusing card

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It makes much more sense that genius took over Squamata/fused with it somehow (or at least just the shell)

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夢幻吸収体、プライムの様な機械に繋がれたリースで目の下の模様はイドリースだから本編後?元のレベル2かつ水属性なのはユスティアの様に生まれ変わりor鎖で繋がれている事からも無害化された状態?オルフェゴールトロイメアを彷彿とさせる半分に割れた表情が示唆的、構図と名前は魔力吸収球体から。

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@lean surge

hushed dune
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So that's just that Fairy ain't it?

primal spire
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It's Lee, yeah

candid pebble
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JFC

halcyon crane
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WL sequel?

wild siren
hushed dune
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Kt is pretty damn sick Artwork

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Sadly the effect is just a potential Beatstick that dissapears during the End Phase

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I mean maybe Link Material I guess

hollow wraith
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WL stands for Wa Luigi

warm minnow
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@foggy lotus idk if you found it, but the manga raws are out somewhere

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i couldnt find them myelf but a person on fb sent a pic of one of the chapters

foggy lotus
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Oh bb

foggy lotus
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foggy lotus
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Yeah KEKW

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[[Magistus Zoroa]]

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No card found for “Magistus Zoroa”

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[Magistus Zoroa]

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# viral orbit [Magistus Zoroa]

level Level: 4
[ Spellcaster / Tuner / Effect ]

ATK 1500 / DEF 1500

Effect

You can target 1 "Magistus" monster you control; equip it with 1 "Magistus" monster from your Extra Deck. If this card becomes equipped with a "Magistus" Monster Card: You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 Spellcaster monster from your hand or GY in Defense Position, except "Zoroa, the Magistus of Flame", but its effects are negated. You can only use each effect of "Zoroa, the Magistus of Flame" once per turn.

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If this card becomes equipped with a "Magistus" Monster Card: You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 Spellcaster monster from your hand or GY in Defense Position, except "Zoroa, the Magistus of Flame", but its effects are negated.

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whenyouwalking this effect is to revive Spoon...

foggy lotus
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Oh shit

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DEEPEST LORE

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HOLY SHIT

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SPOILERS NO LESS

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# viral orbit [Magistus vritra] [email protected]
Effect

Target 1 Level 4 or lower "Magistus" monster in your GY; Special Summon it. If a "Magistus" card(s) in your Spell & Trap Zone would be destroyed by your opponent's card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead. You can only use each effect of "Magistus Vritra" once per turn.

viral orbit
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I still wonder wtf do they mean by Level 4 or lower

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When all the stuff are Level 4 or higher/ or don't have a Level.

lean surge
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Newest manga chapter potential breaks card art canon and buries the gays.

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I say potentially, because you can still pretend the pose in Vritra could've somehow happened offscreen, also ignore the ground peeking thru. Or you could with the even more cope reasoning of the Dragon returning and we'll get Vritra scene there.

warm minnow
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All the markings on Zoroa came from absorbing Vahram

warm minnow
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Also on his Magistus art

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viral orbit
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@lean surge tbf I don't think the Manga is going 1 to 1 with the card stuff

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viral orbit
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This one never happened in the Manga

white depot
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@foggy lotus I think you forgot a part

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The two panels seen after the heartbeats

foggy lotus
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Yeah got DM'd for it SlowpokeWheeze nothing special he's just "Wow that's horrible, who did this to you?" and Zoroa's like "Me lol"

viral orbit
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Zoroa is like "I'm hot, I can do anything"

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Literally one of them Instagram gays

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Right down to the toxicity

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Yugioh is really evolving

long bison
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I guess this is an alternate timeline.

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Or they'll show those card arts in a flashback someday. I really don't know...

halcyon crane
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Zoroa be the kind of guy that goes "This is terrible, who keep this?" While putting back the spoiled cartoned milk back to fridge he just drank directly.

white depot
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Why do I always gotta like the toxic f boy characters?

viral orbit
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Wut

jade iron
devout hearth
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In The Past: in Sinful Spoils Deception we see rcia and silve getting corrupted(?), presumably the consequence of whatever asteria and risette did stupid kids

In The Present: we see diabellze talking to regina (Azamina Hamartia), looks like she's carrying poplar. presumably this is the trigger for the other azamina showing up. 'hamartia' is a hero's fatal flaw, "to err", the reason for a character's downfall; what's the deal here? it seems likely that regina is the source of the corruption, maybe diabellze is trying to appease it in a "surely the big evil thing will keep its word"?
in the present, we have diabelle and the goblin bikers breaking out of prison (Grand Imprisonment) when elysictone shows up (Grand Crisis)
evil silvera and rciela show up and confront diabellestar (Azamina Ofeiletis) - 'ofeiletis' is greek for 'debtor' so this has some interesting implications
then evil silvera and rciela get offscreened by diabellestar (Sinful Spoils Offenders)

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so

  • what's the deal with diabell fiendess? she just didn't show up anywhere
  • what the fuck is regina??????????? there's some parallels to fiendess with the illusion/lv8 to lv6s but visually i don't really see it
  • does elysictone represent something if the other lv6s appear to be spoils-related?
  • what happened with rcia and silve? if they were turned into azaminas, then where did the spoils rciela and silvera come from? is the illusion typing supposed to signify that they're thistle constructs or something?
  • what even defines a spoils? is it possible that murcielago and rhea silvera are actually rcia and silve, and the spoils were created some other way?
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oh shit hang on

halcyon crane
devout hearth
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Beware the White Woods presents diabell's symbol as being spooky and ominous
Legend of the White Woods has asteria risette silve rcia as solid silhouettes with the stick puppet things, whereas diabell is part of the background
The Fiend of the White Woods has diabell with the apple, and asteria + risette looking to get it. here, diabell has a lot of eye motifs hanging around - the same as those in sacred azamina - and her silhouette appears to be breaking apart near the bottom
Whispers of the Sinful Spoils shows asteria and risette with diabell's apple hanging off of what looks like it could be one of diabell's tendril things, given the gradient hue
Woes of the White Woods depicts monstrous versions of the bat and the wolf, with diabell's symbol in the back

so diabell is almost certainly regina wearing a less spooky face
what if making a deal with it is what creates a sinful spoils?
what if to do so, it separates a person's soul from their body or something similar? we know the silvera and rciela spoils have almost human-like personalities that would make sense if they were silve and rcia, so it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to say that they really became both azamina and spoils

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if this is the case, then elysictone would be another spoils - its design seems reminiscent of snake-eye, but they don't have a fiend to make it with so it'd have to be something else

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ok yeah the 6s are all "illusion + thing" regina assimilates them into the thistle

halcyon crane
devout hearth
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so Erysichthon was a Greek guy who in most variations of the myth cut down a sacred tree(s) and angered demeter
idt it's super close to the egle myth but I can see the resemblance if I squint, ig

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so the jury's still out on whether we'll be getting a snake-eye fiend, it could always be morrian
but then again silve and rcia kept similar names so it could be a yet unrevealed spoil

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plenty of interesting things to think about

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@devout hearth Moa Regina is likely Morrian
We know from the concept art that Morrian is some kinda crow/bird thing.

devout hearth
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oo nice catch

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diabellze's reference art says morrian is an

“Assimilated Sinful Spoils without a self”
and then we have
This card is named after the Morrígan, an Irish goddess of war and death. The black feathered design of this "Sinful Spoils" artifact ("Diabellze's" right arm) is a reference to how the Morrígan is known to appear in the form of a crow.

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so we're getting somewhere

lean surge
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My prediction on each Sinful Spoil getting a Fusion form was right.

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But, everything surrounding the circumstances was wrong.

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I was expecting mats that were Diabellestar + respective Sinful Spoil (or any but bonus eff if you use the correct one) and being a contact fusion by sending the above cards you control to grave. The S/Ts kinda emulate that but not really.

devout hearth
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so back into it,

diabellze having morrian implies to me that she's probably more willingly working with moa rather than having just struck a deal; so maybe hamartia is just supposed to refer to sin in general and diabellze is just a bitch
i think it's pretty clear at this point that moa creates the spoils. silve and rcia get converted after the kids Commit Sin and eat the apple; morrian is in moa's image without a self and given to its lackey diabellze to do Evil Tasks like kidnapping cats and that seems like a bit much of a coincidence otherwise
morrian being without a self is also kinda fucked bc that means spoils don't have to be sentient and moa just does it for Classic Evil Reasons™️

devout hearth
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oh yeah @white fox why sinful spoils of regret? that name fits into what i think the narrative is better than Offenders so i'm curious as to the process

foggy lotus
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Is he still muted?

white fox
devout hearth
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nyaruhodo

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long bison
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Okay...where are the eye of wdjats this time?

silver harbor
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The bat has them in the red jewels

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long bison
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long bison
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Oh wait, the one in the artworks are yellow instead of black lined.

viral orbit
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The theme is full of eyes

real flame
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Shabriri looking lady

brave field
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Hi

glass blaze
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Has anyone here talked about Fiendsmith happening after the world ends?

warm minnow
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@foggy lotus chapter 7 leaks are out on the internet

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i have an indonesian translation here but idk where to find the japanese one

foggy lotus
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Found'em

warm minnow
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@foggy lotus btw, can i ask what site you use to locate them?

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I found a forum a while back that had the panels but I didn't say the link

foggy lotus
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Off bilibili now KEKW since the forum dude no longer posts for whatever reason

foggy lotus
pearl obsidian
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New lore dropped
Neptabyss is now king of the mermails (and Atlanteans) bringing a new age of peace for the mermails and atlanteans

viral orbit
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Eh we still don't know the timeline

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He could either be the king himself of the son.

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We have 0 idea where it takes place

pearl obsidian
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It could be the future or the far past

pearl obsidian
# viral orbit It could be the future or the far past

How so?
Like I don't think Konami would make 2 characters named neptabyss when neptabyss was prince of the Atlanteans prior to this

And it's not like we don't know all of the timeline
We do know the timeline of the previous lore due to master duel

viral orbit
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Also the mermails keep changing names anyway.
Abyssalacia and Abysstrite are one and the same. It's just one is the future, while the other is the past. But we don't know which is which

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Abyssalacia has legs too just like the Main Deck version of Neptabyss.

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While the Link 3 Neptabyss has Poseidra's Lower body, just like Abyssgaios.

pearl obsidian
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pearl obsidian
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That one was confirmed by master duel

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If it isn't sunk and the mermails are there it would mean it had to be rerisen

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pearl obsidian
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Timeline is

Lemuria was built > seismic activitiy sinks it > nomadic mermails settle down in it with abysstrite as their only royal family member

viral orbit
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So even there official lore can't make up it's mind on "if lemuria sunk down or resurfaced"

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Either way one if those made it inhabitable

pearl obsidian
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Okay I'm reading master 4

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pearl obsidian
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I just said

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They found it

viral orbit
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Read the gagaga Academy lore too

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Since like I said, the zexal era lore is a bit different

pearl obsidian
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Also I'm reading the lore and you seem to be mistaken about something

It sunk and then resurfaced

viral orbit
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This is why we need an updated version of the lore honestly

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That factors neptabyss

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Here's a weird thing tho. Link 3 Neptabyss has Poseidra's lower body. Which means it cannot be before Poseidra.

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We know the only reason abyssgaios has poseidra's lower body is cuz he took over him.

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But things start to make much less sense when you consider. Poseidra is also back and better than before.

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And yet we see Garunix killing abyssgaios

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I can't make sense of the events.

pearl obsidian
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So
Reading up all the lore again
Here is what we know

Lemuria was built by an unknown civilization > seismic activity causes it to sink > the mermails, who are nomadic, find it and decide to settle down with their queen > war breaks out > lemuria resurfaces due to another seismic activity > Atlanteans manage to steal bracelet and poseidra puts it on > powerful bracelet stuff happens > poseidra gets taken over by abyssgaios, king of the mermails, who wipes the Atlantean army

From this point on we have no clue what happens

pearl obsidian
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pearl obsidian
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Ooo neat theory

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pearl obsidian
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Ooo I can see it

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But I think it's a bit too different to be it

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But I can see it being possible

viral orbit
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I mean we don't know if the mermails added to it or not

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Or how much time has passed

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Or just another section we don't get to see

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viral orbit
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There is this too

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Which is definitely some early version of lemuria

viral orbit
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1 thing triggers me about the plot tho

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fish ppl
wanna take over a fire island
Poseidra is dumb or some shit ?

pearl obsidian
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Poseidra wants everything :x

viral orbit
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He wants to be fish and chips

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halcyon crane
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Just because you're WATER doesn't means you can't be grilled

viral orbit
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If this was some greak myth... abyssgaios burning to death would birth a new race of cloud ppl. @halcyon crane

halcyon crane
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Cloudian Deep Lore

viral orbit
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The Fire Island lore is big for no reason.

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We got like 4 archetypes and still counting

pearl obsidian
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Maybe

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After all we still see the ring in his neck

pearl obsidian
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Yeah

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True

viral orbit
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I mean if we going to talk genetically. Neptabyss would still inherit the atlantian characteristics from abyssgaios and be both Mermail and Atlantean royalty

pearl obsidian
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Yeah true

viral orbit
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what's weird tho is how originally he had 2 legs

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But so does abyssalacia

pearl obsidian
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I think they are just able to switch between them like some mermaids in media

pearl obsidian
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Do they ? Because the lore implies that once the ring got lost in lemuria when it resurfaced. abysstrite had no access to it or way of getting it. Until the Atlanteans found it (seems they can go on land just fine)@pearl obsidian

lean surge
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Atlantean v Fire King Island

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I feel Island is at a bit of a disadvantage.

pearl obsidian
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I mean
It's possible
Probable even that they are able to switch between legs and fins at will
But that just a theory

pearl obsidian
lean surge
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The issue is the Mermails pop shit, while the FKs float (yugiohly).

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pearl obsidian
lean surge
viral orbit
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Fire kings having their own ring makes no sense

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Also the rings seem about to merge

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Inb4 this is how this thing was born

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Mama fire bird and daddy sea dragon

halcyon crane
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When you fused but ended up vanilla

lean surge
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When a cock ring and an arm band like each other very much, they...

long bison
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Now I want to know about Phantasm Spiral Dragon. Dude just popped up in the middle of that conflict to fight them both lmao.

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We need more of their support. Vanillas need more love.

white depot
hushed dune
glacial dune
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They have some audacity to sneak Mad Hacker into the Malice cards and not reprint him in DBCB.

hushed dune
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A[Mad Hacker]

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hushed dune
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Oh my god

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He looks cool!

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What the hack

hollow wraith
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tumblr sexyman

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vizziepop-lookin' ass

lean surge
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[Mad hacker] if written by Vivziepop

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# lean surge [Mad hacker] if written by Vivziepop

Could not resolve English data for searches: madhacker

level Level: 2
[ Cyberse / Effect ]

ATK 1000 / DEF 600

Effect

If a monster(s) is Special Summoned to your opponent's field (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card from your hand. During the End Phase: You can banish this card you control; take control of 1 monster your opponent controls with the lowest ATK (your choice, if tied), but while it is face-up on your field, it cannot activate its effects also you cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck, except Link Monsters. You can only use each effect of "Mad Hacker" once per turn.

lean surge
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If your bitch of an opponent decides to special summon a monster to their field, yes, even one of those asshole blue ones, you can slap this card onto the field from your hand. By Lucifer's smelly ballsack, you can also do this by summoning it there yourself, no questions fucking asked. When the End Phase rolls around and you finished sucking your own dick, you can banish this card you control and cuck them by stealing their weakest monster (you get your pick if there's a tie), I recommend the tuners, I heard they give a mean blow for some crack. But here's the fucking catch, while you have it, it's as good as a dead lay. I should know, I've been on both sides of that field, if you know what I mean, polebrother. Also, you can't summon anything from the Extra Deck except those Link assholes. And don’t even think about trying either effect more than once per turn, fuckface.

hollow wraith
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this is worse than any of the brainrot i have posted

jade iron
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+2

foggy lotus
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jade iron
foggy lotus
wild siren
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god forbid we do different cultures

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halcyon crane
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Rotate Crocodile

viral orbit
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Speeeeeeeeeeeeeen

glacial dune
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"I am speed" vs. "I am speen".

foggy lotus
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It's not a matter of different cultures it's a matter of readability vs spelling

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Like I'm happy to call him Speen

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But most people aren't going to read that "Spoon" at a glance

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Which is why I left a note

pearl obsidian
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Oh I just realized we got full lore context for the terminal world cards
So it confirms that lancea was the original dragon
Georgius and prior/mirror master were once enemies but united in trying to stop lancea, Georgius managed to split it into 3 but was gravely injured and then the 3 pieces came to life as the 3 dragons we know now
Mirror master/prior swears on his life that he will seal the 3 dragons in honor of Georgius and goes out on his journey

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Oh and Georgius went and hid in mist valley after the battle which we was gravely injured

jade iron
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Lancea's lore kinda stinky

pearl obsidian
jade iron
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I dislike "this is where things came from" prequel-retcon thingos

pearl obsidian
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I mean it's not really a retcon?

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Like we never knew the origins of the 3 dragons

jade iron
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And we never needed to

pearl obsidian
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And them being one dragon had been a theory for a while

jade iron
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If Trishula alone can freeze the entire world

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Are we supposed to believe anybody would stand a chance against 3x Trish

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It's bad fanfic

pearl obsidian
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Supposedly georgius is as strong as prior/mirror mage at his prime
The same guy who managed to seal the 3 dragons by himself

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So with them working together

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They would be a force to be reckoned with

jade iron
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Next we'll learn Georgius is Avance's great grandfather

pearl obsidian
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Probably not
Georgius is of the bird people of mist valley

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So if he is the grandfather/father of any card it would be someone from mist valley

jade iron
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Probably Falcon

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jade iron
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I guess I mostly don't dig the "these dragons were a fusion all along" type-thing

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The Divine Lance was cool, Ascalon was less cool to me

long bison
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Why does Cyber Valley have an organic zombie face in it?

viral orbit
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long bison
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Ew, why are there zombies inside the machines lol? Are they captured dragons from Cyber Emergency that got reanimated into cyborgs?

viral orbit
long bison
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Shame.

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I thought it was gonna be some good lore. 😭

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So all we know is that these dragon machines are made in a facility and that's it.

jade iron
hushed dune
cedar sand
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headcanon for swordsouls: they have a code of modesty. That's why we hardly see any skin. Additionally, they only show their face to those they trust or when they absolutely need to.

lean surge
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Ok team, time to figure out more timeline stuff.

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New Crystron tuner is the Metalfoes Vanisher equivalent, except they kept good by being a Level 2 Tuner instead of Level 9. Also -1k/-1k to the stats because we can't have a 3k def level 2.

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So, this is after Parametalfoes Fusion and Quan gets hits with the Blue juice.

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Tho, the question remains where does Halq fit into all this?

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Either the 3 Tuners fused to Halq and then defused and Quan powered up via VFD juice or they combined to Halq after, and he just lost the Fathomer vibes somehow. Neither really click with me.

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Another wild idea is Halq was the original and then split to three tuners or smthg. Tho, his clashing color scheme doesn't lend itself to him being an "original being that was split" over "random parts combination" machine.

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Also, Quan was originally a Level 1. This being a Level 2, could just be a powerup or maybe its the avg of all the Tuners or maybe a Halq reference, kinda hard to tell since his stats reference Bahrastros over the original, but him being 500/500 like the original wouldn't help anyway, since all the tuners have those stats. PekoPlushSpin

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Hmmmm.

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Looking thru the stats, I never noticed but Crystron Phoenix is a Level with 9 with the same stat total as Bahrastros.

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Wack.

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Checked if MFoes had smthg similar but their Level 9 is a 3k/3k and Zoo obv doesn't have a 9.

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Going back to this being the Crystron Fathomer. It not being a 9 like Bahrastros means Zoo getting a Level 9 in the future meme is dead.

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Hmmm, what's the deal with Sulfdhole? Like it is meant to Sulfefnir retrain right, hence the similar look/Level 5. But why the odd statline of 1900/2250?

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The only other 50 statlines in this storyline and Luster/Lector Pend and their various forms and the Amorphages.

jade iron
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what is the symbol on the shoulder pauldron?

jade iron
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ah ok

lean surge
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サルファドール

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It's Sulfa + Doll. It's like a Shaddoll.

jade iron
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Is it shown where they defeat VFD

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or is it offscreen

lean surge
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Kinda hard to tell what the Synchro is made up of. It just looks like a grown up version of new Quan, rather than a combination of Tuner + Non Tuner.

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Since, I don't think there's a White non-Tuner.

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Ok, I figured it out.

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It's the combined stats/2 thing again.

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It's Sulfefnir 2000/1500 + Bahrostros 1900/3000 avg.

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Hmmmm.

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I guess, Bahrastros power was divied up between Quan and Sulfefnir.

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Both picked up a reference to the atk/def but not the level. This is so sad.

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a[parametalfoes fusion]

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lean surge
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Hmmmm. I can't seem to find any orb that quite matches the one in the spell.

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Closest is the armpit orbs on Bahrastros/VFD.

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Why is Quan pondering on the orb instead of direct combining like Metalfoes Vanisher.

halcyon crane
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They really put orb on the weirdest spots do they

viral orbit
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The fact that Crystron Prasiortle didn't get a Synchro is just fucked

lean surge
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Can't figure out the deal with new Synchro's stats.

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Best I could come up is Sulfadhole or Sulfefnir + new Tuner levels and Sulfefnir stats + Quan stats + 100/100, which is forcing it a lot.

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Ok, I think I figured out Halq as pre Quariongandrax. So, it goes Quan(and the other 2 Tuners) -> Halq -> Combine with Sulfefnir to become Quariongandrax, and then this becomes the base of Metaltron XII, and remnant Tuner stuff becomes new Tuner and ponders the orb, remnant Sulfefnir combines with the orb to become Sulfedhole. And.... uh.... new Tuner just goes Synchro mode for reasons.

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Hmmmm. I'm not sure if this is meant to be Dhole over Doll.

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Don't quite agree with this as Dhole feels like a random ass animal.

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Also, Elecskeletals is just random shit.

jade iron
jade iron
lean surge
jade iron
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Since they'd be a vague canid connection

lean surge
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Would be underwhelming if the story abruptly ended with them defusing the mainboss and combining with the parts wholesale.

jade iron
#

VFD actually got stuck trying to leave the dimensional rift

lean surge
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Currently we know, the peeps on VFD's ass are Master Peace, Metaltron XII, then the baby True Dracos powered up as Dracoslayers/the old clans like Majespecter/Igknights/Dinomist of which Majesty Maiden further evolved as a full Majespecter Xyz. Prob same happens to the other two. Metalfoes Vanisher. The other 2 beings hit by the lights, tho in Crystron's case, it was both Quan and Sulfefenir gaining partial powers maybe, gotta wait and Zoo what Zoo ended up with.

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Alternatively, Majesty Xyz form was actually a precusor to her Dracoslayer form, so the old clans are not in the war and the Majespecter support wave was just a training flashback. Would solve the issue of her going from human legs to horse legs than back to human riding a horse, maybe instead she just combined with Kirin to become Pegasus.

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Hmmmm. Thinking on it, this does make more sense. And also explain her going from a 5 scale in Xyz form to fully inheriting Kirin's 2 scale as her Dracoslayer/Majespecter form.

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No wait.

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I remember the new Spell shows her with horse legs alongside Kirin.

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She just gets them for a split second and then ditches them to ride Kirin, I guess.

jade iron
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Can't double up on horse legs, that'd be foolish

pearl obsidian
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Btw are the new jurrac cards suggesting that astero was the one which entered the stratosphere via the volcano and combined with some of the other jurracs to make meteor?

white depot
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Don’t think anyone doubted it but the lswarm linked to the Fabled confirmed

viral orbit
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Its him... the origin

white depot
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But what’s weird is card on the right is Steelswarm Origin but the Steelswarm were locked away while the Fabled are active in DT part 1. And the last Fabled support we got indicated that the new Synchro was possibly killed by Fabled Andwraith

viral orbit
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Probably some time shit

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Where the time in fabled world is not the same as the normal world

halcyon crane
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tfw Fabled only threatening when they dies

lean surge
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It's called Terminal World because the LORE makes me wish I was terminal.

halcyon crane
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Yeah feels like heavy retcon too

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There's no way they thinking fabled when first designed Steelswarm/Evilswarm

jade iron
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Nekroz Gungnir appearing after the Ice Barrier Dragons were absorbed by Devyaty

long bison
# viral orbit

So this guy possessed his fellow dead Fabled brethren as a virus too? Hardcore.

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jade iron
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Curious he's named after Beelzebub

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I wonder if there's an art connection to Steelswarm Roach we're missing

pearl obsidian
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# pearl obsidian I mean Theyve been hinting at it since 2018 with [steelswarm origin]

Rating: Link-2 (⬆⬇)
[ Fiend / Link / Effect ]

ATK 2000

Effect

2 "lswarm" monsters
While this card is in the Extra Monster Zone, if a monster would be Special Summoned from the Extra Deck to the Main Monster Zone, it must be Summoned in the zone this card points to. While this card points to a monster, neither player can target it with card effects, also it cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects. Once per turn, when a monster(s) on the field is destroyed by battle or by card effect: You can Special Summon Level 4 or lower "lswarm" monsters from your Deck in Defense Position, up to the number destroyed.

halcyon crane
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That's link monster designed long after DT story has ended

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Anything after that point might as well count as retcon

pearl obsidian
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I mean I guess? But it's not like we ever really knew the origin of creeping darkness or even what it was other than some sort of evil entity

viral orbit
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Honestly i think it's more so like this

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Steelswarm Origin becomes Leviathan then Leverzebul

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So like one of the Viruses just somehow evolved into the first fabled

white depot
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Like I thought it was originally stated that the lswarm virus came from the dead bodies of the Steelswarm

viral orbit
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Yup that's that the lore said

jade iron
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If they don't call him Fablswarm I'll be disappointed

halcyon crane
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the fact that JP Fabled name is Magōshin, so it's easy to combine the two as Magōshinverz

jade iron
#

We were robbed of Noblswarm

halcyon crane
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Making it sub-archetype like Steelswarm/Inverz, but since it Fabled part using kanji, it wont have card interaction with actual Steelswarm cards

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Noblswarm is good name

jade iron
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The Smugglswarm are a group of Nimblswarm who snuck into the Fable's lands

viral orbit
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viral orbit
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Can we talk about the normal looking City lol

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Also why Worm Zero (started as a Shaddoll thingy)~

jade iron
#

The normal city is their home dimension

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viral orbit
long bison
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jade iron
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hmm

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Terminal World is post apocalypse?

halcyon crane
long bison
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We do have ancestor monsters from Ice Barrier, why not a city in between that time? 😉

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I do hope we get to see who lived in that city before it became decrepit...

jade iron
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That's for in 5 years time when we get "Originators of the Terminal World"

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And it turns out everyone owned the Ice Barrier mirror technology at some point

long bison
viral orbit
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Oh oh she got a new crown and a new dress
Also she made guards

hollow wraith
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imagine posting from within enion cradle

viral orbit
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Puberty hit him hard

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This is cute

lean surge
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HOLY SHIT

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Albaz LORE is so based, man.

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Literally every DT retcon LORE they post makes my headache more but for Albaz it's the opposite.

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Also, sick to see Aegir build on her empire as everyone expected.

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It's actually nice when things happen for a reason instead of random backstory we never see. Tho, Albaz LORE isn't entirely immune to this as well.

halcyon crane
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Yeah I love how much more personality Albaz lore has

lean surge
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Has he been doing this shit since the Trap. Like non stop? megaWTFkek

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Ecclesia being a foodie is like 2 lines in VBEX1. Then we got shit ton of memes from it in the OCG community and such. Now, it's canon.

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It's peak.

halcyon crane
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Kitt being gremlin is mood

lean surge
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It wasn't even in VBEX. It's 1 line from her concept art.

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What are Adin and Theo arguing about?

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Like the mask is obv Aluber, but what about the scale?

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Also, is that fucking the Shoulder Rockey soot on the pan?

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He's just heating up the pan, right? Ecclesia didn't eat him up, right?

halcyon crane
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I'm more concerned if Rockey would explode with him being gunpowder and all that

halcyon crane
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Granted, nowaday there's more leeway for artist to show the card concept art, and thus we can gather more of their personality thru small doodle like how Ecclesia is big eater and Diabellstar somehow can drunk by drinking mineral water?

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If anything, I would love if DT got that treatment

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I still find it funny how Diabellstar & Diabellze rivalry started because the latter tore the former beloved book apart as to force little Asteria to play with her

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And the comment on the concept art even called Risette natural born liar

viral orbit
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@foggy lotus can u get on these lol

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@lean surge more lore

viral orbit
lean surge
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Holy shit, its peak.

halcyon crane
lean surge
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Pinning this til @jade iron has the time to compile and add them to the drive.

lean surge
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Holy shit, young Shuraig is so great.

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Esp. love baby Kitt.

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Why does she have a Omnitrix symbol bag tho?

halcyon crane
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Owo

lean surge
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Also, this is how young Kitt was when she banished along with her sister for being "Theiving cats"? Wack.

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Both of them sprouting a wing each to make Sanctifire shows it is a proper combination fusion like Alba Lenatus was.

viral orbit
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Omg

lean surge
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Also, man just love these two.

viral orbit
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He was 0.0.1% of the dragon fusion...

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😭

lean surge
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LMAO, you can even see Rockey soot on the image above just under Albaz' tail.

viral orbit
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Bro turned into a Holy Dragon

lean surge
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Never thought of this but Mirrorjade's blades being some sort of memory related stuff makes sense as how we see memories in the bubbles of one of the Icejade.

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Tho, I wonder if the cracked one here somehow means Kosmochlor died as this happened. Not sure if that fully lines up with VBEX saying Kosmochlor and Chengying gave him their power as they died or smthg, but I have to double check. Could also just be just before Chengying dies to Longjohn.

viral orbit
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I think it's a reference to using quartz as data storage. (Probably another life sim too)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

5D optical data storage (also branded as Superman memory crystal, a reference to the Kryptonian memory crystals from the Superman franchise) is an experimental nanostructured glass for permanently recording digital data using a femtosecond laser writing process. Discs using this technology could be capable of storing up to 360 terabytes worth of...

lean surge
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Kitt is actually a Magician, cuz how do you make this from that?

viral orbit
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Kitt has got her hands on so much crazy tech, it ain't even funny

foggy lotus
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Holy FUCK where are these from

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Fack the quality isn't amazing

lean surge
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Just remember but we still don't have the Sargas/Therion/Spright that corresponds to Capricorn, right?

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Why did they randomly skip it. They even included the 13th Zodiac but not this.

foggy lotus
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Wow Shuraig was kind of shat on for having just one wing huh

lean surge
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Feel like we were supposed to get another Fire Thunder md way back in their introduction or just next set, but Konami never delivered.

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Also, Capricorn is a weird exclude.

viral orbit
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And as far as the sprights go.

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We missing green

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Spright Ghost

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Upper-atmospheric lightning and ionospheric lightning are terms sometimes used by researchers to refer to a family of short-lived electrical-breakdown phenomena that occur well above the altitudes of normal lightning and storm clouds. Upper-atmospheric lightning is believed to be electrically induced forms of luminous plasma. The preferred usage...

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Ghosts
Ghosts (greenish optical emission from sprite tops) are faint, green glows that appear within the footprint of a red sprite, remaining after the red has dissipated, and fading away in milliseconds.[37] Though possible examples of ghosts can be seen in historical images, ghosts were first noted as an exclusive phenomenon by storm chasers Hank Schyma and Paul M Smith in 2019.[38]

The first spectroscopy study to analyze the dynamics and chemistry of ghosts was led by the Atmospheric Electricity group of the Institute of Astrophysics of Andalusia (IAA). This experimental campaign reported the main contributors to the greenish hue of a single event recorded in 2019 to be atomic iron and nickel, molecular nitrogen and ionic molecular oxygen. A weak -but certain- contribution of atomic oxygen, and atomic sodium and ionic silicon were also detected.[39]
foggy lotus
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Oh

lean surge
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Sprights are all Fire or Dark.

foggy lotus
#

Ferrijit ran off with Kitt because Kitt was going to be fucking sacrificed as per their tribal customs

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Oh I guess that's what she stole huh Slowpokethonkderp

halcyon crane
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Dang the half animal tribes are no different than Dogmatika, no wonder Tri-Brig left

viral orbit
lean surge
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Oh, fair fair.

viral orbit
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Fallen of Argyros is kinda ... fucked tbh

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Like i have no idea what the dude is doing

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It's every spright in the shell of albalos + kitt's jacket

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And it's trying to revive the therions ?

halcyon crane
#

Hopefully Albaz 2 wont have heavy time skip to the point of Albaz-Ecclessia have kid(s)

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Am not ready of Boruto treatment the same way Shurit is

foggy lotus
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Even if it costs me my life, I will protect you.
The boy glared at the monster before him.

His life with the Wing Tribe had been hell.
Considered a failure because he only had one wing. A child of misfortune that smeared mud on the pride they held in their wings.
Though many of his own people hurled abuse at him, the look in their eyes were all the same.
He was "impure".
His body was treated cruelly, his heart was rent, and in the end, he was simply thrown to the wayside.

Nowhere to go, nothing to live for, all he could hear were death's footsteps.
A miraculous encounter would save this boy, who had succumbed to despair.

A girl who kidnapped her younger sister, who was chosen as a sacrifice according to the ancient customs of the Claw Tribe.
Shackled by the bloodline of the Fang Tribe, a cursed boy who could revert to a beast.
They were not so different from him, unwanted children* loved by no one and abandoned by fate.

But that was exactly what would draw them to each other, to rely on each other.
They were his first friends, who did not define him by his "impurity" and gave him a name.

I will not let them die.
Those metal arms could squash him with ease.
Even so, I will protect them.
Those steel feet could crush him with ease.
Even so, I will protect them.

It would only be sometime later that the boy would come to learn that he had just had another miraculous encounter.

*落とし仔 pretty sure can mean bastard child too (just like Albaz teehee)

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The top bits seem to be generic descriptions of tribs and springans too tired to look at it all

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Oh I guess springans gained sentience from the constant metal on metal violence orgy they were having up there

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With metal constantly being melted back down and reforged etc.

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Argyro System's kanji here is like "Custodian of the Zodiac"

foggy lotus
# viral orbit

What artbook is this from? Or is this the albaz lore compilation collection thing

foggy lotus
#

Neat

viral orbit
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Bro imagine if kitt was actually sacrificed as a baby...

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💀

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This would be a very different story

foggy lotus
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SHE'S SO PRECIOUS

viral orbit
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No kitt > no weapons for the Tri

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The Tri might never face the dogmatika

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And thus, they won't be there when albaz shows up

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@foggy lotus ya know what's more precious, the fact that the Tri saw themeselfs in Albaz.

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"Help him, he just like us"

hollow wraith
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he just like me fr

long bison
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She's so precious.

viral orbit
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Kitt fucking destroyed a giant god machine with her fucking bio-engineered jacket lightning laser

jade iron
jade iron
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Uploaded, ping me again if you need any additionals adding

foggy lotus
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I'll probably do the fleur one next assuming someone else doesn't get to them first sip

cedar sand
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translation for fleur

devout hearth
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peak

foggy lotus
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Sick

foggy lotus
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Oh there's a few little things

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Hmm

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God I need to reference swordsoul lore

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Fucking hell

foggy lotus
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A deep, deep slumber.
The saint sank and became one with the brilliant, red abyss.
Hundreds of hands enveloped her, tearing at her, pulling her apart as they sought out and fought over her soul.
Her dignity as a proud saint, the days of training to uphold that image, and the admiration she received from the people.
Her victories, her growth, and her glory.
"That belongs to me." "That was mine." As hundreds of hands cried out, disgorging thousands of profanities, swarming about and trying to claim the bravest of souls, Fleurdelis slowly disintegrated with a great roar.

A light pierced the abyss.
The light created shadows, and the shadows formed images.

That form...

Illuminated by the warm light, a figure slowly but surely became to emerge from the great mass.

Ecclesia.

At that moment, the great mass began to writhe and thrash about.
The saints that were one with the mass regained their self and reached out with countless hands to claim Ecclesia.
However, holding all the hands back and restraining them, Fleurdelis reawakened.

I will not allow a single finger, a single fingernail to touch her.

The one thing that no one could take from her, even after becoming one with the Blazing Saint, was her drive to protect Ecclesia.
She manifested her soul*, and began to bind all the scattered souls of the saints into her own sword.

It was but a momentary awakening.
She bore witness to a wicked dragon, but a husk of its former self, chasing a white dragon.

I said I will not allow you to touch her.

The bravest saint transformed the souls into countless bolts of crimson lightning, and hurled them at the wicked dragon, the source of all the ills.
All to protect the one most important to her, as it always has been.

*Did my best here but this is in reference to the same powers wielded by the Swordsoul

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What a fucking

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BADASS

cedar sand
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i gotta write a oneshot where she survives

pearl obsidian
#

God
Branded lore is great

#

Boy meets girl

long bison
#

The classics always go hard. catbless

foggy lotus
viral orbit
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So this is how they gonna fluff up the story... we already doing filler arc

long bison
#

Fluff that may become real cards in the future lmao.

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We all love that stuff in the Sky Striker manga. Kirbylmao

warm minnow
#

bro random fillery character spotted

viral orbit
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warm minnow
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peace please

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lvl 4 non turner ples

lean surge
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Ah, hell naw.

#

3 more OCs dropped, with a potential 4th in the Dragon to be summoned.

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We are gonna go the Striker route of bloating the story with filler chars and the story crumbles in its own weight to fit with existing canon.

long bison
#

I guess this means we're never gonna go to the post-Magistus timeline. 😭

viral orbit
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Can't wait for "old man of the magistus"

glacial dune
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We're gonna go the ARC-V route with that girl in the bubble and that dude in the cave somehow being everyone's mom and dad. D:

viral orbit
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Why would u say that...

glacial dune
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Because the ARC-V manga ending scarred us all and we should never forget that it did.

viral orbit
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No i'm saying its not even the same case.

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That's like comparing potatoes to giraffes

warm minnow
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this chapter could be better served as a better entry into crowley's back-story rather then this b plot

lean surge
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At the rate they are going, I don't think the other archetypes will get more cards.

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It'll prob be another 2-4 Magistus cards.

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Maybe another Endymion card, but that's just because it's literally his name and prob not even work well with Pendymions.

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It would be cool if they tried to do cross archetype cards atleast, then you could have your cake of only Magistus era related stuff, while also supporting their future archetypes.

halcyon crane
#

Witchrafter will never see the light of day

warm minnow
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oh not spellbook thou

lean surge
#

I don't have high hopes for that good of a design.

lean surge
#

Now that I think about it, the newer Dracoslayer wave is a much better example.

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[ignis phoenix dracoslayer]

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# lean surge [ignis phoenix dracoslayer]

level Level: 4 | pendscale Pendulum Scale: 7
[ Warrior / Pendulum / Effect ]

ATK 1700 / DEF 1900

Pendulum Effect

During your Main Phase: You can shuffle 1 face-up Pendulum Monster from your Extra Deck into the Deck, then add 1 non-Pendulum "Dracoslayer" or "Igknight" monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use this effect of "Ignis Phoenix, the Dracoslayer" once per turn.

Effect

(This card is always treated as an "Igknight" card.)
If this card on the field is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon 1 "Dracoslayer" or "Igknight" monster from your Deck, except "Ignis Phoenix, the Dracoslayer", and if you do, it is treated as a Tuner. You can only use this effect of "Ignis Phoenix, the Dracoslayer" once per turn.

lean surge
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This is my vision on the best possible case.

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Worst case scenario, is we get 6 Magistus only cards, half of which are well below rate like the Sky Striker Sages are.

viral orbit
#

Kinda hate how Zoroa does not even have his own Archetype

lean surge
#

I liked it.

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It gave us a sense of mystery on what happened for the Magistus to seperate into their own ways.

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Tho, the manga's provided answers for that is so....

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Would've been cool if he were like the heart of the party and died after he battled and fused with Vahram or smthg, and him no longer being there was the catalyst of their seperation.

Let's say Endy becomes scared of what Magic can do in the hands of the untrained and becomes the Tyrant emperor dedicated to keep Magic to Magicians only, which then goes on to wage war against the Spellbook Tower (who freely give Magic knowledge to commoners, perhaps he even knew of/atleast suspects of Aliester's involvement).

Aleister tries Summoning Magic as a coping mechanism and becomes corrupted as he summons more and more demons and/or under the influence of a specific Summoned Beast. Alternatively, this happens prior and is one of the causes of Zorua's disapperance/death.

Verre is kinda hard to do, but you could just say she wanted to get away from the violence and goes from that melancholic md -> enjoying herself Xyz -> (Devasted at what happened to Zorua and has a falling out with others) -> Now hides and immerses herself as a Magic Artisan and becomes a Lolibaba guild leader for other magicrafters.

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There's like so much you could do with what we have, but instead we got another story with 28 filler character for no reason.

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Atleast Spoon is a cool addition. I can't really say the same for most of the new Striker cast.

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Making Zoroa, the big bad is also an odd choice.

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Like how in the world would you even fit a[Magistus Theurgy] into the story.

lean surge
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Like, my first thoughts on this card was this is how Zoroa got his powers or had his powers massively upgraded. Which is referenced by Aruru's creation in a[witchcrafter masterpiece]

lean surge
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So, what is a[trimagistus] even supposed to be?

lean surge
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A sealing technique instead of a magic strengthening or creation one?

warm minnow
# fading yarrow

so, this is similar to when the broke theurgy, but why is zoroa in the middle?

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no idea

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we're likely going to see him being sealed in theurgy

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so thats what i had to guess

warm minnow
warm minnow
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would be enough for the deck

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i've been testing a list out for the past few days since we got spoon

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its not amazing since the extender ratios are rough but it has 9 1cc's and 3 2cc's

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12 starters in total

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just the # of extenders is like 6

halcyon crane
foggy lotus
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I don't expect any of the support stuff to actually be any good

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But flavour-wise to the manga they're probably going to be on point

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Like Spoon

devout hearth
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"Guilt of the Sinful Spoils"

white depot
white depot
lean surge
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My b, my b. Thanks for correcting me on that. It's been a while since I read up on the first Endy/La Maison LORE entry.

viral orbit
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Endy is not all that good tho

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The dude has done experiments on animals

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Bro beta tested pendulum on animals... and made a furry race of magical catdog Abominations

fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
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This thing ain't natural

fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
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Nor is this

foggy lotus
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Granted by the Nexus King, the embers of an ancient prosperity
Is it gospel, or is it malediction?
The embers shall become the spark that sets the new land ablaze
The knights of Dogmatika shall raise their swords
The beasts of iron shall cock their weapons
There a young boy and girl shall meet
Thus, the gate to the abyss shall open

foggy lotus
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The stage(Hole) explodes with thunderous joy and sorrow
A short-lived adventure
Yet the shadow of a scheme lurks behind the veil
A melody of love and hate lie hidden in the wings
Despair stirs in the depths of the abyss
Fate shines ominously on fools(Despians)
Thus the curtains to this deadly drama are raised

foggy lotus
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Guardians of the Sacred Summit
The one who answers their prayers
A dragon clad in blades of ice and fire
Yet the theatrical farce will not cease
The jester of god laughs mockingly in the sky
The innocent saint shall be dyed in red
Thence, the dragon's cries will not reach her

foggy lotus
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Erupting flames, roaring thunder, Land of Iron
There lies the ring of champions
He stands strong for his friends
The thunder god's bell rings
Come on you lot, raise your voice
Go go, Sargas!
Put the pressure on, Sargas!

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The flames, so delicately connected, swirled across the desolation
So fleeting, yet blazingly bright1
There it shall light up the shadows
2
Scorching thunder, iron wings, awakened sword3
Will awaken
4 the flames of the king
Then the young boy and girl shall meet
Thus, a path to the great land of the divine flame5 will open6

*1 A lot of purposely-selected kanji in this last passage. The kanji they chose to use for 赫く (kagayaku) is the same kanji they use for "Blazing" in the TCG, e.g. "Brightest, Blazing, Branded King", "Blazing Cartesia, the Virtuous" and associated with the Brand/Cartesia in card names such as "Granguignol the Dusk Dragon" and Branded in Red"
*2 "落陰" is the word here, cheekily pronounced "rakuin" (i.e. 烙印 "Branded")
*3 The latter is in reference to the Swordsoul
*4 The kanji they use for "喚び" (yobi) here is for, e.g. awakening someone from a slumber, and "熾す" (okosu) is to start/light a fire
*5 "真炎" (shin-en) is conveniently a homonym for 深淵, the abyss and also the kanji used in the OCG name for "Albion the Sanctifire Dragon"
*6 The kanji they use here "拓く" is used geographically, e.g. open/clearing a path to a certain place

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Fuck me that last one killed my brain a little

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Goddamn discord formatting

primal spire
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Who is that monster in the middle at the top o.0

viral orbit
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Has anyone noticed before ?

foggy lotus
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TIME FOR A BIG ONE

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Dogmatic Nation Dogmatika
Seated in the northern parts of the continent known as the Abyss was the glorious nation of the faithful that boasted an absolute leader. By the hand of the glorious apostle of god, Maximus, holy stigmas are carved into peoples' bodies, proof that they are children of god. These stigmas bestow miraculous favours upon those who bear them, and those with strong powers become a member of the Dogmatic Knight Order, bestowed with the honour of fighting to protect their land against those who reject the stigma and holy teachings.

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Side episode: Age of the three saints
The reign of Maximus the apostle was long. In his nation, children were born, raised, and died, passing the love and faith in god from one generation to the next. One day, Maximus bestowed three divine relics to three Saints of the time. These relics were brought to this world by the godlike Dogmatika Nexus, becoming instruments of god that built and symolised the nation. The Sword, Shield and Armour - each of them possessed incredible miracle powers and could not be wielded by those possessing an insignificant stigma.
From then on, the Saint of the Sword presided over rituals, the Saint of the Shield over governance, and the Saint of the Armour commanded the military. These would become the dominant factions. These relics were passed from Saint to Saint like their faith and as their roles became synonymous with power and authority, disputes between these factions became more frequent.
Thus, generations after the initial establishment of these three Saints, the nation no longer waged holy wars with outside factions, but continued to see bloodshed and tragedies due to internal power struggles.

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Side episode: Child of miracles
On the eve of fulfilling his great desire, Maximus turns his mind to the past. During the time of the Three Saints, things had been a little rushed. Saints were anointed one another after, and the blood that flowed from them were so steeped in curses it was, while magnificent, ultimately insipid.
And then faith began to weaken, which led to traitors like Mina springing up.
The stigma could hardly become brands in those circumstances.
What foolishness.
I've been too focussed on quantity.
Such things must take time.
Slowly, carefully, one by one. Gently swathe them in red, sing them lullabies, ensure they are bathed in happiness, then send them out onto a stage of despair.
I must be the playwright.
I must be the director.
I will paint each of my children in a blazing light.
-Dogmatikalamity-
Now, the curtain rises on a new, wicked drama.
Child of miracles, Ecclesia. I have saved the best for last.
Be excited for your fleeting adventure, you will laugh, you will cry, lose your temper, and become a strong child.
That's when I will come fetch you.
Of course, along with your sister, Fleurdelis.

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Oh I see so that whole adventure was her high before plunging her to despair

foggy lotus
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Fucking christ that took way longer than I expected

hushed dune
# fading yarrow

Oooh i recognise the style
It's the same Artist as for the Charmers right?

viral orbit
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When a random movie card from 15 years ago has abyss portals on it.

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💀

foggy lotus
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DEEPEST LORE

long bison
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The portal now just grabs you with their demonic hand lmao

viral orbit
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Dis makes no sense

long bison
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Is it like Nekroz where their ages fluctuate using certain armor and weapons?

lean surge
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I'm completely lost.

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Can anyone give me a rundown on the new Diabelle LORE.

halcyon crane
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Hmm I havent been following their lore since White Wood myself

viral orbit
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● After ellzet eats the apple. The curse takes over her and turns her evil.
● Morrian comes from nowhere to "save the day" she manages to beat the curse out of her, but ends up dying.
Her "body" gets taking over by the azamina curse, tuning her into Moa Regina.

● Elzette is now feeling regret for what she did, and we see her trying to find away to fix it.

● Moa Regina attacked Diabell... in the past which made her split her power between the 2 girls.

● In the current events Elzette (as Diabellze) is about to face Moa Regina (with poplar)

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@lean surge

pearl obsidian
devout hearth
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so diabell and regina are two separate beings

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hmm

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OH SHIT

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- so eating the apple transferred? diabell's power to the kiddos (sinful spoils of the white forest; the kids look similar, we can see diabell crying green and purple tears, the background is burning up signaling the end of that story)
- elz got thistled but aste didn't (what's up with that?)
- presumably elz is the one who thistled rcia and silvy, this is fucked up
- aste manages to grab the silvera and rciela spoils and leaves
- morrigan shows up an unknown amount of time later (elz looks noticeably older) and unthistles elz but gets thistled herself into moaregina + morrian
- elz does not seem to like what she did

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so elz going to face regina in Determination/Hamartia is probably her trying to unthistle morrigan so that morrigan can free rcia and silvy

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  • we still don't have an explanation for erysichthon or snake-eye; even if elz was the one creating spoils i'd imagine everything to be relevant or expanded upon (also why is snake-eye the "original sinful spoil"?)
  • what is the azamina? why does diabell just not show up at all?
  • how did aste not get thistled?
  • why does morrian not have a self?
  • where did morrigan come from lmao
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i kinda fuck with the concept of Diabell being a title passed down through the apple/thistle/whatever

halcyon crane
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I like concept of legacy character

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That's how you reintroduce same character every few years

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which means ensuring Diabellstar support down in the future

devout hearth
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ok yeah elz creating all the spoils and azamina we have works

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she's the illusion half of all of them and does fusion summons

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so morrigan will be a lv6+ fiend

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oh we have vbex4 translated

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shit

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...Demons
They were the very definition of the calamities of this world
An inescapable absurdity
They deceived humans in all sorts of ways, and by extracting and disposing of their souls
They turned them into living puppets
The abandoned souls, having no place to go, had their engraved sins judged by the laws of this world. And this was how the "Sinful Spoils", cursed items that brought about all sorts of calamities, were born.
yep confirmation that getting thistled results in an azamina and a spoil
also diabell is a literal demon? ok

"Goblin's Crazy Beast"
Apparently it had swallowed the "Sinful Spoil Aethon", which Gabonga obtained at the end of his great adventure...
what the fuck alright then that's erysich accounted for

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so was elz responsible for snake-eye or was that some other demon

devout hearth
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if we're dealing with demons here maybe diabell was just the anglerfish lure

devout hearth
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oh and also another question

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why did ilia and murcielago show up now of all times

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were they following elz around? if they're connected to the demon then maybe it's been trying to get her back ever since morrigan freed her

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...which would make Hamartia a really good name if she's trying to unthistle morrigan goddamn

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ok yeah this has potential if they don't fumble the demon side of the lore

lean surge
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I still don't get it.

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I'm officially checked out.

devout hearth
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the kids fuck around and find out

lean surge
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I'm gonna wait for the VBEX.

viral orbit
# devout hearth hm

The hand grapping diabell lookw in the same style as "Morrian Claw"/"Moa Reginia" Claws

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So i think that takes place right after Morrian was killed and turned to Moa Regina

devout hearth
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regina doesn't even have claws

viral orbit
devout hearth
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it's symmetrical

viral orbit
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@devout hearth yeh but Morrian's Signature thingy is her Claw

devout hearth
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yeah and it's just very long nail

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not thick stubbier claw

viral orbit
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I mean it might as well be stylized.

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It's just a shadow play after all

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Not real flashbacks

devout hearth
# viral orbit

damn they really had to get that SAMPLE right over the thing in the background

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even if it were morrigan's claw, i don't think that really makes sense
like elzette gets possessed or whatever and astellar runs away
then, after elzette has visibly aged, morrigan shows up and de-thistles her, and diabell then distributes its power to aste and elz? it just doesn't read right

devout hearth
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ah shit here we go again

hushed dune
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Yooooo

devout hearth
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so we actually got the demon

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so then what's the fucked up dragon thing with elzamina?

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queen's wings look similar to regina but i don't think they're quite the same, plus regina only had 2 and queen has 4

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we still don't have a fiend to make regina or erysich

devout hearth
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looks like poplar ate morrian and then probably some of elz' magic too given the color scheme
since popler's still morrian'd asleep in Unleashing, i think damned was either planned as a Just In Case or queen did something so that elz no longer has control over morrian (but again given damned's color scheme and the lack of indication that saint absorbed elz i think it's probably the former)

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Shiroki Mori no Youma Diaberu / Diabell, Apparition of the White Forest
Azamina no Youma / Apparition of the Azamina
and same stats inverted attribute etc etc
so diabell was probably just a disguise

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OH

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maybe they weren't following elz

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maybe they were tracking their spoil

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because we see erysichthon attacking the goblin bikers, who had spoil aethon

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but then that again brings up "why didn't they show up before"

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as well as "why is regina just sitting there waiting for elz"

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  • diabell (azamina demon) lives in the white forest
  • elzette and astellar decide to go looking for it
  • they find it and eat the apple
  • diabell gives power to the kids
  • elzette gets possessed and becomes an azamina
  • elzette thistles silvy and rucia, astellar manages to grab their spoils and escape
    an undisclosed amount of time later
  • morrigan shows up and unthistles elzette, but gets thistled in the process
  • elzette presumably remembers everything she did while thistled and doesn't like it
  • meanwhile astellar is living life
    another undisclosed amount of time later but this one includes The Story So Far with snake-eye
  • diabellze steals poplar and goes to confront moa regina
  • ilia silvera and murcielago show up and diabellstar fights them
  • queen appears and captures diabellze
  • poplar wakes up and transforms into damned
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so

  • what's the fucked up dragon fish thing hanging around with azamina elzette?
  • how did astellar not get thistled?
  • where did morrigan come from lmao
  • why does morrian not have a self?
  • where did snake-eye come from and why is it the original sinful spoil?
  • what are the azamina actually doing? what's the end goal?
viral orbit
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I think ppl are misinterpreting what "Play the Diabell" and "Like the Diabell" are meant to mean in context of the story honestly
By just dismissing them as a meta joke.
● Like in the case of "Play the Diabell" it's more of "Do what the Diabell Does" (e.g. Elzette being puppeteered by the Azamina curse, like some sort of possessed marionette in a puppet show).
● as for "Like the Diabell", it's from the perspective of Astellar. "Be Like Diabell" "You can Do it Just Like Diabell" type thing.

dry lodge
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I wonder at what point in the timeline Gem-Knight Nepyrim is

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I hope we get a Sombre/Kerykeion fusion sometime

jade iron
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Post-afterlife would make the most sense

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But it should've been called Mokshadoll

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Also, knowing the lore lately it'll probably be between Construct & Shekhinaga

viral orbit
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It seems to be after this

fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
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See the string wings

jade iron
viral orbit
jade iron
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How does that relate to Sophia's orb of creation

viral orbit
viral orbit
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I think i found the artist

hollow wraith
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yeah that checks out

lean surge
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What does this mean for the LORE?

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Is Metaltron fucking dead?

devout hearth
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fuck metaltron all my homies hate metaltron

lean surge
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Since Nekroz can only cosplay the dead mons.

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Nekroz of Subzero Trish is kinda wack, because Subzero is just a powerup, so this presumably happened offscreen before Shurit lost the powers.

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While Nekroz of Metaltron happens way after because of no reason?

devout hearth
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they'll probably pull a "metaltron was The Original Zefra"

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and she puts on the metaltron suit to help fight tierra

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idk metaltron still sucks

lean surge
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Metaltron has to be post Tierra, right.

devout hearth
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zero trish makes devyaty mugging shurit a lot funnier
how does it keep getting better

lean surge
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Like it's prob whatever happened in the 1000 day battle, after Zefraath and Tierra go missing, the pilots are still alive as we see on the farewell card, tho "alive" since y'know walking towards the light. Presumably whatever is left of Zefraath (and maybe Tierra) creates Metaltron.

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Tho, one thing of note is Nekroz of Metaltron has Sophia horns from Nekroz of Sophia.

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Maybe, Metaltron is related to Sophia's creation powers, which it kinda already was but like it never had the horns/orbs before.

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I think. Let me check.

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a[zefra metaltron]

fading yarrowBOT
lean surge
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Ye, no creation orb. Just the Pyroxenes.

devout hearth
lean surge
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Oh ye, I forgot we got another Metaltron callback recently.

devout hearth
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i wish we hadn't

lean surge
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It's so weird they keep doing this, after they shadow dropped Metaltron randomly years ago.

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Now, it's like 17 hamfisted ways to connect it back to the LORE and going well this deffo happened guys, trust.

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Verry funny tho, that we had 10 elements of the Sephiroth but 11 Pyroxenes, so they were like uh... stick one on the staff.

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Good enough.

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Wait.

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I just noticed the staff of the Nekroz has the orb of creation on it instead.

devout hearth
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the Original Zefra thing kinda works, i think
bc it has all the pyroxenes and a bunch of the weapons/armor you see on the new™️ zefras
so just say it was the first instance of the zefra system and then was split up afterwards

lean surge
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More thematic for sure, but like, so what happened to the Pyroxene, then?

devout hearth
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shrug

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they were part of unlocking the tree so you can shoehorn something in

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man how did some random tribe end up with the set of keys to creation why did they decide to do that

lean surge
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Wait, I checked pedia. Apparently, the 11 Pyroxene are on its body. The thing on the staff is just random green orb.

devout hearth
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incredible

lean surge
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This is the only one like this. Since everywhere else they don't include the 11th Sefiroth.

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They reflect the positions of the 10 sefirots, including the position of the 11th sefirot Da'at.
This is thus the only card in the Duel Terminal lore to feature the 11th Pyroxene representing the Da'at in its art; the silver-colored orb located in the center of its chestplate.```
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There is a second staff but it is being obscured by the Yugioh logo.

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Can't even fully analyze this until the reveals drop.

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Gotta say tho, Nekroz of Subzero Trish looks so sick.

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Esp, him fitting on the main Trish head like Ichigo's hollow mask to the side, inside of dumb hat like the original.

viral orbit
fading yarrowBOT
jade iron
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This is easy

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watch this

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Nekroz of Sophia uses her power to create Zefra Metaltron as the admin account

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then fucks off

lean surge
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Can't believe Mimikyu was a Springan all along.

hushed dune
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So it really was just a tiny black Blob

wild siren
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I don't think that's really it

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As much as it's a like "this is the shape under the clothes"

hollow wraith
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i remember when i first saw mimikyu i was sure that it was gonna have an evolved form that was it without the costume

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to represent it becoming more confident in itself

viral orbit
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Watch them do it.

lean surge
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They should've made more Mimikyu forms based on diff cute Pokemon.

halcyon crane
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Mimikyu Snom owo

frigid flame
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Oh boy more Metaltron in Duel Terminal

jade iron
viral orbit
fading yarrowBOT
candid pebble
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There are actual feet at the end, the angle in the art just makes them difficult on impossible to see

hollow wraith
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he got them pointy shoes

jade iron
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He's also got the ever-present Ally of Justice gold bits

lean surge
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So lost rn.

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Also, how in the world is this supposed to be Gem-Knight Fusion.

halcyon crane
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Is she want to revive Gem Knight to old glory, hence she visioned Master Diamond? Because in what timeline Master Diamond and Lapis ever met?

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Dude already husk by the time she was around, and for the entire DT3 story, they were never in this form

wild siren
halcyon crane
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Hmm that perhaps the case

lean surge
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You know what, fair.

jade iron
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Fusion power is stored in the balls gems

wild siren
warm minnow
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Raws for new manga are out somewhere

foggy lotus
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Fuck it's that time already yeah I'll look later

dry lodge
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Man I wish we could just get a fusion of these two already

hushed dune
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What are these Orange balls around him btw?

hushed dune
dry lodge
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IIRC they're from the evilswarm-infected ice barrier dragons

dry lodge
jade iron
dry lodge
brazen blade
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Is Knightmare Apprentice part of the Dark Magician lore? I know it's like a remake of Illusion Apprentice Magician, so is it connected with the Dark Magicians?

Also, does the four types of magic in the early forms of yugioh, illusion magic, demonic magic, light magic and dark magic somehow play into the Dark Magician lore? There are illusion monsters based on illusion magic, and there are also dark magic and light magic monsters.

Also, are the Magistus or Endymion part of the Dark Magician world? I know Buster Blader is in the Dark Magician world, but what other archetypes exist and are connected with Dark Magician Lore?

wild siren
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It's simply

We don't know

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Unless Dark magician or a related monster shows up in the magistus manga assume it's all just references and coincidences

viral orbit
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It's the same logic of Gagaga Magician and Gagaga Girl.

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Or Cyberse Magician and Cyberse Witch

viral orbit
halcyon crane
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Y'know
Since the origin of Lapis Lazuli word is Persian for gem, Lazuardi.
Am thinking if either Lapis or Lazuli ever tap the origin of gem-Knight power, and become its guardian, they better be called Lazuardian

jade iron
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I am going to name my children Lazuli and Construct

halcyon crane
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Nepyrim is such a good name I wish localization used that instead of construct

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When I heard construct, I imagine huge building, that combined with original art perspective, and anything construct fusion with something far bigger than herself made me thing that she's bigger than she actually is

fading yarrowBOT
jade iron
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Gotta be at least 25m

glacial dune
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I depicted her as entire miles in height for the fanfic I put her in.

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The reason being that the threads are going behind the mountains in the background.

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It's hard to tell if Construct herself is behind them, too, but the length that the threads are drawn makes me think she is.

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And that did mean Towers had to be described to match in the sequel, when it came time.

halcyon crane
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Yeah I still can't figure out her actual size

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Some shot she feels hella big, but at same time, she fit on Noid tube?

golden flax
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but what if the noid tube was even bigger

viral orbit
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Since you know, thd tubes kinda turn off magical power and rest the target.

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After all Ariel is not Apkalone inside the tube.

viral orbit
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It's big but not that big.

long bison
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So the Noids took her power that it shrunk her down to a manageable size?

jade iron
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Since there's no place in the timeline for her to be captured while the Noids are active

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Like Lapis got caught by the Noid tube which prevented her from reincarnating properly

fading yarrowBOT
jade iron
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Would be weird if Infernoid Sjette of all things got credited with two major Shaddoll kills

viral orbit
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
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Also note that she gains her "youthful appearance"

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Also has a core

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There are alot of details basically

viral orbit
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Then this

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It's kinda a mess honestly to know where these fit

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Cuz Batlamyus/Tube Construct fuck the timeline

jade iron
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Batalamyus fits very neatly into the timeline wdym?