Yo they buffed Mechaba
#Yugioh Lore Discussion
glass blaze
halcyon crane
All he need to do is get off his goddamn wheelcart
viral orbit
and fuse with it*
lean surge
lean surge
Looking at it again, the helmet on New Mechaba is same as the Chariot Beast. Presumably, it got assimilated into the main armor, considering the Sword on him seems to be same as OG.
Also, the runes underneath feels similar to Augoeides'.
jade iron
are we getting new art for all the Invoked things
silver harbor
just mechaba and invocation
lean surge
2 per theme. Looks like we'll get one a day. So, 1 more left for Striker, Live Twin, and DMaid.
All I want in particular, is Kis-kill Link 2 alt that mirrors Lil-la's. Otherwise, it's gonna bother me a lot.
Rest can be whatever.
jade iron
I hope Live Twin's involves some other obscure art that I can tie into a diagram
halcyon crane
Yeah it would be dissapointing if the new alt art doesnt reveal any new stuff, despite how easily they can tie the lore with new alt art
lean surge
Finally got Roze's version of Engage.
Prob one of the most common prediction when we found out selection 5 will get alts for those themes.
viral orbit
and then they get 7 cards in Cyberstrom... that can't even cover all of the manga characters
long bison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgDQ3O5VIAACxHQ?format=jpg&name=medium
Wait...what are those two mechanical parts above Roze? Are they legs, or just part of a machine keeping her?
lean surge
I think it's just meant to be generic machinery stuff. It would prob be more prominent if they meant it to be more than set dressing.
cedar sand
does anyone know the source of the power-strain blackout statement? I'm doubtful it's actually a thing
silver harbor
Honestly those first two statements are both kind of suspect
cedar sand
Yeah
The first one is supposed to be a joke I think, but the second needs an actual source. I can't find any
halcyon crane
TV Tropes need to get their shit together. YGO Lore is no joke (unless if it's about Kitt)
lean surge
There is none.
The only mention of Mo Ye in the guide books is in her relation of her sword to Long Yuan's.
cedar sand
There is none.
Thanks
cedar sand
In regards to the anime saying that tossing duel monsters into the graveyard is a bad thing, how do you think the monsters feel about the game just evolving to put a focus on that more? What about archetypes that just do that naturally?
silver harbor
Iirc the anime mostly did that about doing it without caring
Like Yudias in Go Rush initially has trouble with tribute summoning becaude he thinks every “comrade” is too important to just sacrifice
cedar sand
Iirc the anime mostly did that about doing it without caring
Like Yudias in Go ...
As in caring for the monsters or the win?
silver harbor
the former
cedar sand
There is none.
lean surge
We have the VBEX2 translations pinned here.
cedar sand
oh
lean surge
The paragraph in question at most says she's trying her best/using all her strength without knowing the sword in her hand belongs to Long Yuan.
There's no mention of her pushing herself to brink of death.
cedar sand
got it
thanks
Unbenownst to her, Mo Ye's Swordsoul, steeped in the power of death, belonged to Longyuan.
aaaaah
well that makes more sense now
that's kinda funny
"Hm, my swordsoul is emitting a dark aura. Probably my imagination"
lean surge
It is mentioned Long Yuan stole back his sword, tho Mo Ye fated is ultimately unknown. Since, she is back as Aegirocassis, whether she was dead/close to death by Long Yuan and revived or was simply transformed by Icejade stuff is also kinda unknown for now.
We might get answers in VBEX3.
lean surge
VBEX2 was released a bit before POTE.
So, it's after CYAC but before the main set after that. So, min 3 months+.
It was somewhere mid way. I remember it because of the fact that just 2-3 days before VBEX2 release, they revealed the Exosisters cards in POTE. And we actually get foreshadowing for Martha (As unknown missing partner for Elis) in the book. So, it's kinda disappointing they blew their load early and revealed Martha beforehand. Should've built some hype/speculation around it.
lean surge
Finally have HQ arts for both Evil Twin arts.
Still not sure what these arts are supposed to be in universe.
Maybe they are doing a new 3D outfit performance and that is just a distraction to a heist they are planning at/near the venue, which is a common trope.
Another thing of note is the Evil Twin logo at the bottom, which ye cuz they are their IRL forms, but they are basically exposing their secret identities out to the public.
Also, the ID cards have their names written on it, (in the same fake language from their Live Twin forms.)
Not sure what's with the QR code-like thing in the corner with their face is supposed to be as well.
Also, I always assumed Evil Twin logo just had the first half of the Live Twin logo reversed, and no one in the universe just noticed. But Evil is written completely different.
I just assumed that script was 1:1 with English because LIVE TWIN had the same symbol for I in both first and second words. But, apparently that's not the case.
Also, the autographs in the arts don't seem to match their existing ones.
Those these ones are meant to be an ad. So, maybe that's just the colors of the lipstick and not their actual signature.
Oh, it's the Evil Twin's signatures.
Nvm, it makes sense.
glass blaze
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgivXWOUYAAG8qT?format=jpg&name=large
Imagine if thsi was real
viral orbit
why the master duel megalith lore is so shit?
like were they even trying. It's literally just descriptions of what the things look like...
See this statue that looks like an angel ? that's ophiel... what is it ? no one knows, who made it ? no one knows.. by the way she looks like an angel...
i wonder how they end up making these tbh
silver harbor
A lot of the lore chapters effectively act like documentaries
Rather than actual narratives
viral orbit
i would say this even more so since it tells us nothing new
silver harbor
I’d argue it does given we never really knew much about the megalith to begin with
hollow wraith
i would say this even more so since it tells us nothing new
okay but did you know that ophiel looks like an angel
viral orbit
okay but did you know that ophiel looks like an angel
true idk what an angel looks like
glass blaze
What's the lore behind Monster Reborn? Is the item the thing that revives monsters?
lean surge
No one knows what's up with the TCG art.
But OCG art is just an Ankh. Which is meant to represent life in Egyptian hieroglyphs or smthg. And thus represents being revived in the series.
viral orbit
The TCG art is some weird shit tbh
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
but we got this out of it lol
lean surge
OCG def likes the TCG art better, considering a lot of its retrains are based on it instead of being Ankh variants or smthg.
And Reborn Reborn is a sick cap off to the story.
halcyon crane
It just all around iconic design
hollow wraith
it looks like some kind of magical relic
glass blaze
The fact it was a random ass item/ankh shows that we know nothing of reviving monsters
Like how Pot of Greed just draws 2 cards
Why tho
halcyon crane
But Ankh is symbol of eternal life?
Considering Ancient Egyptian belief of afterlife it seems appropriate symbol of reviving monsters
jade iron
Like how Pot of Greed just draws 2 cards
Card draw doesn't have a specific meaning
In the pots/goblins lore it's an expression of greed
And related to darkness
In HEROs it's slightly related to dudes just showing up
Or in the case of Diamond Dude, seeing the future maybe?
glass blaze
But Ankh is symbol of eternal life?
Considering Ancient Egyptian belief of after...
Yeah but is the ankh popping up when I cast the spell
lean surge
New Traptrix md is based on newly discovered plant in the Nepenthus genus. Hence it's similarity to the original.
silver harbor
did you know: traptrix Nepenthes is a grown up version of traptrix putica
lean surge
So, a little sister more than a younger version.
silver harbor
prbably yeah
lean surge
Konami waiting for new plant discoveries to drop new support.
Reminds me of those fanarts of Earthbound Immortals based on relatively recently discovered Nazca lines.
Wish Konami made a even a bad card based on it.
hollow wraith
pretty wild that they had red nova dragon be based on a hypothetical serpent geoglyph a few years before the actual serpent geoglyph was discovered
halcyon crane
Somehow I like to imagine that some 5Ds writer has been on Peru, vaguely figuring out there's serpent lines but nobody believes them
fading yarrowBOT
halcyon crane
I love the implication that Infinitrack Drag Shovel is one of AU version of Rise/Reich/Reinoheart
lean surge
Doesn't quite work because not a Lv 4 Warrior. Which also seems to be a consistent trait. 
halcyon crane
I know but as long as the card doesn't mention Lv 4 Warrior, it still counts
I said this now because they could rectify this in the future
young lynx
Any documents with the Cyber Dragon lore avialable here?
viral orbit
Konami waiting for new plant discoveries to drop new support.
Predaplant Triantis flashbacks
halcyon crane
They have yet to release reptile support titled Prime/Primal
(Clearly can't use Optimus due to copyright)
viral orbit
Primtile
lean surge
“An Icon depicting another young man with the power of the dragon. As he makes his move, divided from the abyss, the curtain quietly rises on the tragedy to come…”
Aluber's icon description from MD.
halcyon crane
We got new Aluber Icon?
I hope it's the token one but I'm not gonna hold my breath
halcyon crane
cedar sand
“An Icon depicting another young man with the power of the dragon. As he makes h...
i swear if ecclesia dies...
cedar sand
is there a dt and wl google doc of the lore?
cedar sand
who's this guy?
hollow wraith
[clavis the magikey skyblaster]
fading yarrowBOT
[clavis the magikey skyblaster]
Level: 4
[ Warrior / Normal ]
ATK 1900 / DEF 1900
cedar sand
thanks
halcyon crane
Y'know it's funny how we thought there will be Magikey lore as side lore to Abysslore but then nothing come out of it
What are even the last thing they done? Chilling with suship?
cedar sand
Y'know it's funny how we thought there will be Magikey lore as side lore to Abys...
Abyss lore: full of suffering
Magikey: hangs out with sushi ships
lean surge
Clavkiys is doing avg Shounen things with his gun pardner, and unlocking new super saiyan forms by using the 9 tails demon inside him as a power source, almost losing himself.
cedar sand
...oh
viral orbit
Magikey: hangs out with sushi ships
other than being from the same set, the 2 have nothing to do with each other
cedar sand
I see
lean surge
Ciela is finally REAL.
Not as terrible as Aileron but still bad.
YOS1-JP001 慈愛の賢者-シエラ Jiai no Kenja – Ciela (Love Magus – Ciela)
Level 6 WATER Machine Effect Monster
ATK 2200
DEF 1000
(This card is always treated as a “Sky Striker” card.) You can only use the (1)st, (2)nd, and (3)rd effect of this card’s name each once per turn.
(1) You can discard 1 Spell; Special Summon this card from your hand.
(2) You can banish 1 Spell from your GY; give control of this card to your opponent, and if you do, Special Summon 1 “Sky Striker” monster from your GY.
(3) If this card is destroyed by battle or card effect and sent to the GY: You can target 1 of your banished “Sky Striker” Spells; add it to your hand.
The effect is kind of a reference to her being captured by Karma and Raye being motivated to grow stronger to save her.
Should have maybe summoned from deck atleast or also deck, but according to the Premier Pack blurb which also has Striker manga cards, it's because the effect is meant to reuse Kagari which is limited (in OCG), and last eff is Hercules Base synergy.
Raye getting an alt based on the manga promotional art we've seen.
Also, the other Magus are in here, and not manga promos like the other bad Strikers.
All 3 having similar clothes is smthg I didn't register while reading the manga, since obv, Black and White, but makes sense.
All 3 Magus cards have the same discard a spell to special summon itself eff, it seems. But these 2 have diff effs unlike Ciela meant to protect Link mons. The blurb even specifies meant to outlive the opponent's turn when you don't have cards like Widow Anchor setup. Which just means, their protection eff is smthg that only applies on field. (My guess is they have a big ass and redirect attack to themselves or some shit), which just means they are also gonna be turbo ass.
The blurb did mention these will be Lv 5 Machines, so Nova to Infinity is up for consideration.
Which begs the question, why is Ciela Lv 6? Why is she even higher than Himmel who seems to be the center of the trio???
lean surge
There's other fluff like the discarding spells synergizes with the Striker playstyle and you can make higher links like Zeke and Abom easier and that this opens up a new tactic within Striker.
Uhhh, what's left.
Next manga promo however, looks promising.
A new Sky Striker Ace.
jade iron
Sky Striker Hets in shambles
lean surge
Will the Roze clone finally replace Roze.
Could be replacable if she's actually good and Light. Otherwise, Roze would still be played for Linkage sake.
[Linkage]
I could see her also being Light because Roze clone, but also maybe one's light and other's dark.
It would be weird for there to be just 2 of the 4 base attribute aces.
Also, the non-Ace Strikers all seem to have a diff attribute.
Including Pyron tho, that's only 5, unless you also count HAMP. So, one of them could be light/dark or light if you count HAMP.
Ciela's background is obv, WATER.
But Aakas and Himmel look Dark and Wind. And Aileron already had wind. So, maybe they'll just do repeat.
Eeh, whatever. It's really hard to give a shit when you know a card is gonna be turbo awful.
All pray at the altar of the new Ace, who will gift us with Moksha.
Sky Striker Ace – Azalea
jade iron
Mokshaddoll you say
foggy lotus
viral orbit
the story is never ending lol
long bison
I'm just glad they're giving more Sky Striker manga characters from the manga now. It's been so long since Aileron.
foggy lotus
Yeah I was genuinely hoping we'd see the characters from manga as cards
lean surge
Wonder if Spectra trio will be made into cards as well in the Premiere Pack.
Same with Pyron and the pet trio. I could see the pets being skipped.
foggy lotus
Oh man if they turn all 3 pets into individual cards I'd be impressed
I highly doubt it. I can see the trio in one card as a spell or trap
lean surge
Fair.
The names would be weird too. Since Raye named them the most basic names for all of them.
foggy lotus
Yeah they're just the most generic pet names possible
lean surge
Dog named Pochi, Cat named Tama, and Bird named Piko.
You have to struggle to be this generic.
foggy lotus
Like if she called them Kitty, Rover and Tweety
iirc all she had to go off were old ass databases so chances are they only had generic info
cedar sand
what ocg manga do you want to see next besides DT, WL, and Abyss?
like the more standalone lore archtypes like magikeys or labyryth
halcyon crane
Magikey would be nice
lean surge
Custom cards is one down.
onyx tapir
jade iron
what ocg manga do you want to see next besides DT, WL, and Abyss?
Dracolore
Give me my resolution
lean surge
I want something super small.
They managed to pad out like the 2 paragraphs on Striker into over half an year and still going.
I don't want to imagine them tackling anything big.
Fucking WL, from the start to them getting their powers and then fighting the Krawlers would prob be over a year by itself.
jade iron
I want something super small.
Ritual Beasts tbh
I wanna see them travel into the spirit realm to become Ulti
lean surge
No DTs.
jade iron
halcyon crane
After the resolution they come up with, I dont want they make story of DT
Not only it would took decades, that would just rub salt in the wound
Ideally I want they try Buster Blader and/or Vendread
The former us because that's the archetype closest to the main manga with separated lore.
The latter is because Vendread is starved of good support...
Not to mention the cards already laid out the groundwork with coherent progression, if one managed to screw them up still then they're just bad writer
jade iron
Ideally I want they try Buster Blader and/or Vendread
The former us because that...
Make a video game based on Vendread
halcyon crane
jade iron
We can have the main character be an S-Force
Having to escape a city infested by Vendreads
halcyon crane
S-Force is related to Vendread? owo
halcyon crane
I see, space and time police
jade iron
S-Force Jvalentime
jade iron
S-Force is related to Vendread? owo
Though S-Force are related to so many other archetypes they could be related to Vendread
halcyon crane
I would love for Slayer to be like anti Nemesis, this outside force you can't control and reasoned with but they actively helped you from time to time
jade iron
They should make an opera based on Mermails
viral orbit
well it's not just mermail
it's mermail, Atlantean, deep sea, phantasm spiral, and fire kings + who knows what
halcyon crane
Deep Sea? owo
viral orbit
yeh we see mermails in some of their cards
jade iron
A cyborg ripped out Neo-Daedalus's heart iirc
But then Daedalus didn't care and became a Lightray/Metaphys
halcyon crane
Ah interesting how they retroactively making Deepsea Diva be part of Mermailore after her interaction with the deck
halcyon crane
Metaphys is supposed to be ghost state right?
viral orbit
A cyborg ripped out Neo-Daedalus's heart iirc
u sure that's how it goes ?
since it always had 2 heads technically just one stacked on top of the other
you can even see that on Codarus. to me it looks like the 2nd head is just a normal deadlus thing that evolves with time. idk from where u got that lore.
jade iron
u sure that's how it goes ?
since it always had 2 heads technically just one st...
Wasn't a cyborg
But Daedalus ded
Or maybe he was a cyborg, since he is machine-type?
viral orbit
it's 100% a daedalus thing. it always head a 2nd head developing
next time we see it, it might have 3 lol
halcyon crane
Schrodinger Daedalus
viral orbit
Daedalus still dead yo
you know there are different timelines in ygo
and there isn't just 1 Daedalus likely
jade iron
I know.
viral orbit
just look at Zera i mean
jade iron
Or Dai Grepher
Who stars in a card depicting the choice that ended up with him being Dark Grepher Vs Lightray Grepher
halcyon crane
We just need Daedalus, Spiral Serpent, & Poseidra duke it out
Prolly throw in Kairyu Shin as well
Interesting that it had the same title as Neo Daedalus
Oh wait, Kairyu Shin does means Ocean Dragon Lord, it just that Japanese name of Kairyu Shin is Leviathan
It's interesting that until DT, localization team refuse to ever use Leviathan due to muh religious imagery, ignoring they already has card named Belial.
So now that Kairyu Shin name is already stuck, they unable to change that
jade iron
Oh wait, Kairyu Shin does means Ocean Dragon Lord, it just that Japanese name of...
Not to be confused with Levia Daedalus
Also Behemoth - cool
Leviathan - cool
Ziz - not cool
halcyon crane
Right, still no Ziz
jade iron
Ziz is gender neutral Sis
viral orbit
We just need Daedalus, Spiral Serpent, & Poseidra duke it out
poseidra is dead for good, the mermail king poped out of him
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
also rip the sea dragon no one remembers
viral orbit
Ziz - not cool
it's just a giant horsefly
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
the fake sea serpent
Honestly water levia feels ... naked
feels wrong without arms or fins (even tho most snakes don't have that)
halcyon crane
I actually used Gishilnodon in past deck (mostly due to out of option)
fading yarrowBOT
halcyon crane
Now for the really obscure stuff
Not sure if Umi Control player even played this guy, if it was quick effect, it may have some use with Sea Stealth II
viral orbit
I actually used Gishilnodon in past deck (mostly due to out of option)
tf did u summon it with ? diva + a level 3 sea serpent that she summoned ? cuz that's the only way ... i think
young lynx
Does Burning Abyss need more Lore cards? so far the only Lore stuff we have is the 8.th circle Malabranche army, Dante as the traveler and Beatrice as the one that appears in godly clothes in the Purgatory, but what about the other circles of heaven/hell?
long bison
True that. I dunno what significance the other circles have.
young lynx
imagine Satan(Dis) or Lucifer as a new boss monster
a boss monster with more than 2800 attack
long bison
a boss monster with more than 2800 attack
That's literally Darklord Morningstar/The First Darklord.
Their name in the OCG is Fallen Angel Lucifer.
halcyon crane
I remember when pre-Branfu Despia used to run Darklords, including The First owo
glacial dune
Did someone ever translate the notes on Kentregina's concept art?
I'm thinking of writing something involving the Deck and I'm no good with Japanese, let alone handwritten Japanese.
foggy lotus
I think I did, post it again if you want me to have a look again
I don't remember there being anything overly exciting
glacial dune
Never know if something got missed.
Now I think of it, I suspect a few more concept arts might've flown under the radar since then.
Either we've not picked them apart, or Yugipedia's not picked them up.
foggy lotus
Chances are if it's recent I've gone over it and posted it here
Oh yeah there's nothing overly amazing here
Just pointing out parts of her outfit like the mask
The cables on the back of her head
Her transparent cape
The red parts are transparent red and they glow
Her arm blades can rotate
Stegosaur ancestor
rough draft B has acid rain falling
the clear red parts have blood-vessel like lines running through them
Human eyes with thin pupils
halcyon crane
Such a cool aesthetic but alas being trap deck atop of paying 31 LP making Dinomorphia its own enemies
foggy lotus
devout hearth
glacial dune
Lately I've been wondering why Sky Strikers would need monsters that Special Summon themselves—despite their Spells requiring no monsters in the Main Monster Zones to use to their fullest extent.
And I begin to think that there's only one reason for that.
I'm thinking there's gonna be a future chapter in Raye's story where the Magi end up sacrificing themselves (or something along those lines) to create a new, ultimate Sky Striker Ace.
Which will likely appear in the OCG as a Link-4 or the like.
lean surge
Mine is smthg I saw on jp Twit.
That the Magi protect her by keeping her away from being an Ace. And when they let her be she'll be at full power.
And obv, Ciela's side switching is referencing her getting captured.
glass blaze
What spellcasters share the same lore? Witchcrafters, Endy, Invoked, Spellbooks and what else?
glacial dune
The Mythical Beasts are related to the Endymions.
devout hearth
magistus is the prologue to all that stuff
jade iron
What spellcasters share the same lore? Witchcrafters, Endy, Invoked, Spellbooks ...
Nearly every single fusion item
glass blaze
Fusion item?
viral orbit
tf is a fusion item
viral orbit
what does any of that have to do with the spellcaster lore tho
those kinda show up whenever in whatever really
jade iron
Endymion's Citadel is in Fusion Recycling Plant
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
huh
jade iron
Also the Dark Magical Circle shows up in way too much shit
glass blaze
Kronk, show the graph
jovial frost
silver harbor
the [supply] guy
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the [supply] guy
Level: 4
[ Warrior / Effect ]
ATK 1300 / DEF 800
long bison
So Sky Striker Ace Azalea is Dark MACHINE. Is that foreshadowing that she ||might not actually be a clone?||
foggy lotus
She is a clone
Dark probably because she remains in Spectra's hands as of right now
While Camellia's the one that's managed to escape
And her gear certainly reflects Roze's armour
silver harbor
It’s just all the ace links are machine
foggy lotus
What if
Azalea's 3 spell in GY requirement means the 3 Spectra dudes will be spell cards
hollow wraith
i think it's probably just a reference to how a lot of the striker spells do an extra thing if you have 3 spells in your gy
foggy lotus
Isn't it 3
Text said "less than 3" I thought
Or did Org say "3 or less"
Oh hey 3 or less
I'm probably wrong anyway
Wow 4 spells that's.. kind of weird
primal spire
Yeah
foggy lotus
I thought striker cards usually went off 3 or more
silver harbor
Azalea is gonna fucking die
foggy lotus
lean surge
3 or less prob mirrors the text, but like it's functionally different.
long bison
Azalea also seems to be noticeably tan in comparison to Roze and Raye. Did they do some DNA splicing of other human races?
silver harbor
My guess just a result of easy baking someone from fetus to teenager
silver harbor
At the very least it means we won’t have to deal with “Roze’s clones pretending to be her” whenever Roze and Raye inevitably become allies
lean surge
The lack of two tone hair is def weird.
I guess there's two tones with one shifting towards another, but I was expecting smthg like the Zexal and on style where it's two patches of diff hair colors.
Really doesn't make sense where did the dark patches go? 
Oh ye, one other oddity I wanted to mention is that this isn't her with a regular Battle suit like the Raye links. She's in her base battle suit, kinda identical to Roze's in Engage alt/Scissors Cross. Raye and Roze's "Engage forms" don't have their own monster card but show up on diff S/Ts, but are framed to be less than the Link 1 forms, but Azalea's version is a Link 2 because reasons.
You know, maybe Spectra is forcing her into overdrive and this will lead to her death. And the eff is LORE in that she cheats out the "bonus effect" but dies in the process.
viral orbit
nah it's just to stop ray from shitting this one out.
lean surge
~~Still doesn't explain the fucking 3 or less not matching 3 spells in grave for bonus eff. ~~
You could def keep the Must be Link summoned on this if you don't want to give Raye/Linkage a free removal.
viral orbit
what u get when sky strikers are no longer made by their original Creator probably
The direction shift is a huge
lean surge
Like even with how the original bad Striker cards were, Vector Blast and Scissor Cross. I atleast felt they were in line with what they were going for, just undertuned prob intentionally.
But these deffo feel like someone pitching in after only reading a summary of what the deck is. Esp. the Magi.
viral orbit
the fact that they made the Magi without giving the "You can activate "Sky Striker" Spells even if you control "Sky Striker" monsters in your MMZ(s)" is a big L.
lean surge
Still odd they went for Azalea first.
Unless Camelia takes like 2 Chapters to reach main plot.
Please just let the story end, vros.
It's over half a year already with no end in sight.
viral orbit
not until we get a roze clone of every attribute.
and then the bad guys fuse into 1 giant machine.
devout hearth
and then everyone turns into a dragon
viral orbit
and then we discover it was all Link Parasite's doings
lean surge
Still missing Pylon, the 3 Spectra villians, the 3 pets, tho I could see them do all 3 Pets as one card.
Also, the game original story is at a weird spot with Raye fighting off HAMP with fainted Roze in her hands.
While manga story is also at a wack flashback spot, in comparision. 
lean surge
It def feels like bad fanfiction with the amount of unnecessary chars added.
viral orbit
tf they took that 1 line and made it to this shit.
lean surge
The Chapter 1 setup/background details/settings was pretty nice, but you could easily chop stuff off to make it more straightforward and done by now.
Raye as last human on the planet was just such a wild pitch. And then it's just random filler with 1389 new chars.
Genuienly more invested in Raye v HAMP part of the story over whether Raye saves Ciela rn or whatever happens to the Roze clones.
Both clones prob end up dying is my guess. But we'll see.
young lynx
So, do you guys think the next reicheart clone is gonna be a synchro/pendulum or will the story just end with the xyz reicheart?
viral orbit
So, do you guys think the next reicheart clone is gonna be a synchro/pendulum or...
i mean it could be either Ritual, Synchro, Pendulum, or Tribute summon.
i do fear end of an era tribute summon decks lol
young lynx
the tribute summon is the kashtira riseheart (sorta)
viral orbit
nah that's the Xyz one. even if they have high levels
young lynx
@fading yarrow [kashtira riseheart] [scareclow riseheart] i mean you can theorithcally tribute summon them
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<@549392129265238026> [kashtira riseheart] [scareclow riseheart] i mean you ca...
Level: 4
[ Warrior / Effect ]
ATK 1500 / DEF 2100
Level: 4
[ Warrior / Effect ]
ATK 1500 / DEF 2100
viral orbit
a visas lore tribute deck would likely have the tribute 3 gimmick. since each of the big hearts use 3 material total.
they could do qli 2.0 and make em pendulums
lean surge
Visas prob gets his Heart form or smthg. And makes a Synchro deck prob.
viral orbit
nah i think visas is being set up to use each gimmick
so he has to fight every archtype and get their powers
lean surge
It's just that introducing another world and archetype rn in the story feels hard, and Visas is already a Tuner, so a retrain with reversed stats feels like the go for new Synchro deck, prob with purified Kashs as the non-Tuners.
viral orbit
i do expect rise are reino chibis to be in cyberstrom. unless another evil heart shows up and takes their powers before visas
lean surge
But Idk, we'll see.
viral orbit
It's just that introducing another world and archetype rn in the story feels har...
they don't have to. if everything goes right. we could get link, xyz and fusion visas.
leaving synchro, pendulum and ritual last
lean surge
?
Oh for each of the introduced mechanics.
Could be.
I def see current ending on a cliffhanger/abruptly. And then picking up later. Like how they did Draco LORE.
viral orbit
now would the Reino and Rise chibis be fusion & xyz. or would they be link ones hem.
young lynx
there is no proof that they have a chibi good version just like the tri-reicheart had
but an xyz or a fusion that require 1 material would be dope
like "this monster can only be summoned by tributing 1 "..-heart" monster on the field by using is as the only material
viral orbit
it's much easy to do with an xyz.
but we have seen fusions do it too.
the materials would still be 1 of the "archtype" or visas.
heart isn't set up to be an archtype.
long bison
Would be cool to see Visas' homeworld that truly makes his tuner status shine. 
An Archetype that benefits from being destroyed maybe.
lean surge
She prob doesn't have them as mech suits.
We only see her fight in her Engage form. On by riding the Kaiju as Zeke.
Even the Roze clone's monster form is the new Link 2, which is pretty similar to Roze's Engage form.
- When Raye using Roze's Sky Striker to become Alt Shizuku, instead of a mech suit, she gets like defensive shields around her.
So, the Spectra might not have similar mech suits in their multirole system.
Another thing of note is that Alt Shizuku also has the designation of X-002.
I just assumed they would Z-??? instead, because Zeke is Z-000. So, Roze might have a diff numbering system, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The Z is prob a diff category altogether, like S is for the Sky Striker Mecha cards. Hence, it sharing the 000 with the Engage forms is no longer an issue as well.
We still don't have a X-001 yet.
silver harbor
That is roze yes
young lynx
Aye, you can tell by the sword
raye also has a sword lol
primal spire
Yeah but their swords are recognisably different
young lynx
the big difference i can tell apart from the 2 is roze has the military cap
glacial dune
We still don't have a X-001 yet.
X-001 is probably gonna be Raye's ultimate LIGHT form. I'm thinking it'll be a Link-4 that—in the canon of the comic—uses the Magi as material.
young lynx
bought a striker core for 30$ so i'm starting to get interested, too bad all the revealed main deck monsters are all so bad
lean surge
If we ever get it, I doubt it will have anything to do with the Magi or Aileron/Pylon.
young lynx
man i hate the MGED roze versions
long bison
man i hate the MGED roze versions
Too Gold for you? 
young lynx
i dislike the golded boarder yea
long bison
So wtf is happening? Is Visas taking Riseheart's power, or is Riseheart possessing him?
lean surge
Is that it? Visas wins with a oneshot and fuses with all 3 Hearts?
Def one of the more underwhelming conclusions.
lean surge
I see this mirroring Draco LORE but we only get half the summoning mechanics this half, the other in the next series.
With these 2 cards being Forge of True Dracos/OG Masterpeace equivalents.
primal spire
But we already have every method but synchro dont we?
lean surge
Tho, Visas LORE cards have been given a weird order in sets that goes by timeline, so there's a chance for even more.
Maybe, they'll do Rit and Pend.
To cover the 6 planets.
lean surge
But more and more, it looks like new deck chances are low with both Albaz and Visas not having new mds.
Ye.
primal spire
Wait, hold on, lemme check smthg
Nvm, doesnt fit
I thought maybe it was order of release of method
But link is 4 and xyz is 6
Yeah its definitely just ... strangely incomplete
lean surge
Only 1 Fusion slot left for Albaz. No md mons. God, can't wait for 2 underwhelming anti-climaxes this set.
primal spire
Tbh I doubt its the climax for Albaz because Ecclesia is missing a non-brainwashed MD
... oh its also six worlds as in 6 attributes
halcyon crane
Damn Visas really are just Arc-V 2: Electric Boogaloo
Now we even got Fusion type Z-Arc type boss
lean surge
It doesn't feel like he's possessed.
- The eff on the spell implies Arise fucking died and now the Fusion has attributes of all 3 Hearts.
foggy lotus
Yeah might be reading his expression wrong on the spell
VBEX3 in 3 months
We will finally know
lean surge
Man, thinking more on it. This being the capstone of this half of Visas LORE is so lame.
Oh boy, Visas + 3 Hearts combine to make a bungus that can't be beat by battle.
halcyon crane
I wonder who responsible for YGO lore writing
Sometimes Konami got DT and Albaz, sometimes, it is Draco or Visas
lean surge
So, we did get the Synchro deck. So, who knows anything about the other 2 worlds. I've given up on guessing.
lean surge
One thing of question is, is Visas evil now or was always like this but now more corrupt or smthg.
Since, he just came out of nowhere and onepunched Scareclaw Heart. Then helped the Tears from enslavement but that was in part of the guy he was after being the Tyrant. And then chased after Kash since they took Reino's body.
Maybe he's more neutral and the fusion is him getting the first 3 Hearts and becoming more power hungry.
On that note, this being 5th world is weird. Since that's the world of the Hungry Ghosts, while this looks more heavenly than anything else.
If anything Visas Fusions fits the bills of Insatiable Hunger better.
Oh ye, on the stats. This one's heart is a Light Warrior 4 1500/2100. And turns to Fairy in ED form. Notable not Dark. So, maybe it's 3 Dark and 3 Lights? 
The minions are based on the other worlds. Wonder if we'll get a Kash one. Prob won't get one for Manadome itself. Tho, could we get more with future archetypes.
Asura and Human are left, which are pretty interesting.
SHS threw a loop in the set order, but ignoring them, back to assuming Albaz LORE is above Visas LORE. That gives us
4 md mon slots, 1 Fusion, 2 Synchros, Unknown Xyz (3 max), Unknown Links (2 max), 3 Spells and 2 Traps.
glacial dune
I'm starting to think the Visas may not have so much to do with the six realms of Buddhism.
So the Org page for Manadome says that it might have been derived from Vamana, the fifth avatar of Vishnu as described in the Dashavatara.
The first of these avatars is Matsya, the "fish".
The fourth is Narasimha, or "man-lion".
The sixth is Parashurama, "Brahman warrior"—whose page namedrops the Kshatriyas.
So the second and third talk about turtles and boars—which is why I'm thinking they'll feature in whatever archetypes have the Second and Third World Fields in them.
… turtles.
I'm gonna laugh myself sick if this ends up being a thing in Visas lore.
lean surge
Vamana to Mana and the description of Dwarf God feels like it might be a stretch.
But the rest track pretty good.
glass blaze
Is Aleister alright? Is he safe?
viral orbit
the last time we him him current timeline he was being used as a power cell for the prophecy Tower (while also being away to seal them)
after that the tower turned to a monster. @glass blaze
and no he is not safe, the dude turned crazy ages ago.
viral orbit
there is nothing to save.
glass blaze
Yes there is
fading yarrowBOT
fading yarrowBOT
glass blaze
They are way too liberal with starting new stuff
Visas is the worst lore recently
Besides the one from the pend era's end
viral orbit
again crowley is beyond saving.
glass blaze
They could at least destroy Augoeides
viral orbit
his lore is not to get saved. but more so a cautionary tale of "don't use magic u don't know shit about".
viral orbit
They could at least destroy Augoeides
that's not a good thing.
jade iron
They are way too liberal with starting new stuff
Dracolore still has no true ending btw
glass blaze
And DT1 and 2 still potentially hav stuff to tell
At least World Legacy got an ending
And I guess Albaz is close to endig
Ending*
But the whole spellcaster story is kinda just there now
jade iron
What DT1 & DT2 stuff is left to tell
fading yarrowBOT
devout hearth
modern DT stuff is just "hey this doesn't really matter overall but it happened"
or more detailing
glass blaze
Yeah but I guess it's still there
Could also show off the Fabled and what they did
But those already got support
Worms and Allies are legit the 2 I want support for
Allies and Genex have potential nowadays
viral orbit
Spellcaster lore is kinda fucked up tbh. you can't even pick a side because there is no good side.
glass blaze
Well
Witchcrafters I guess?
But that's like picking Neutral
Spellbooks are fucked because they are evil and Aleister is fucked because he is ballsy with magic
Endymion is there
viral orbit
Witchcrafters I guess?
not really Verre it's basically choosing to run from her past instead of actually helping
she's just as responsible
each of em is now coping
it's kinda sad tbh
glass blaze
And Endy?
Zorua is fucking dead so unless he somehow becomes a ghooost
Wait
That does sound like an idea
viral orbit
And Endy?
making weird magical beasts to engage war with the prophecy
he is a Tyrant now.
he just does not want magic to be for everyone but for magicians only.
viral orbit
and he has a good reason for that
kinda but the prophecy let someone of them get corrupted by Magic twice...
glass blaze
Damn justified fascist?
viral orbit
kinda, endy is like you guys are basically incompetent. If it happened twice it going to happen again
and he really fears it.
glass blaze
Wait who else besides Crowley got fucked
viral orbit
i think it was Fool
he turned evil for sometime
then become the world
that one at least was saved.
i might be wrong tho, it has been a while
glass blaze
Where is this shown
viral orbit
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Prophecy
archtype page has link to all of the lore
glass blaze
Him becoming the world I mean
viral orbit
"Through the ritual "Judgment", "The Fool" was able to overcome the Dark Magic that turned him to "Reaper", and became "The World"."
btw it's just a name.
he is not the world a literal sense, he just named after the tarot card
glacial dune
Anybody figured out the etymology for the new Visas Field yet?
So far, I've been trying to separate it into Kala + Rium, but I've not been getting too much that's close to the "Heaven + King" correlation the others have had in common so far.
I've only been able to get Kala as being the Hindu personification of time.
viral orbit
the rium part is from aquarium / terrarium.... riumheart keeps those fairy spirits inside glass orbs ... a terrarium if you say...
primal spire
Isnt it just "color"?
primal spire
Oh, Perlereino as in pearl
viral orbit
yes. Reino's entire thing was enslaving mermaids so they can cry pearls for him
primal spire
Could also be pearl as in colour
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
it is not, he is holding pearls
and then the tearlements cry, their tears turn to pearls
young lynx
i didnt even figure it out till now, but this is also a "visas" lore card (sekai = world destruction arc)
young lynx
so this card was released before alistar the invoker and konami updated the lore that the tower is alistar in his Invoked Augoideis form?
what does the elysium form depict than?
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jade iron
what does the elysium form depict than?
spinal cord attached to a brain
what does that mean, idk
devout hearth
elysium just kinda is
viral orbit
the invomed fusions are not really fusions in lore anyway. they are more like summons
anyway the brain thing has an island inside it.
glacial dune
I'd thought it was a fully-transparent thing that was just refracting the landmass behind it a little weird.
That makes a lot more sense.
viral orbit
lean surge
not really Verre it's basically choosing to run from her past instead of actuall...
Tbf, Verre might be MIA to get to where the fight is happening without involving the other Witchcrafters.
viral orbit
Tbf, Verre might be MIA to get to where the fight is happening without involving...
eh. psure she does not want anything to do with what's going on. she just gave up her past life.
and of of the witchcrafters already works a servant for Endymion.
then again psure she Verre would be in some big trouble if Endymion finds out.
it's not gonna be fun for either.
Spellcaster Lore is just BIG TRAUMA.
glacial dune
Now that we know the third Level 3 Mikanko is based on the Yasakani-no-Magatama, I'm trying to find it on Ohime. Does anyone see it?
viral orbit
ohime is only made of the 2 (water and fire girl)
we would a new level 9 ritual.
i do wonder if that's her next to the earth one. or if that's the light one
glacial dune
I don't even know if there's gonna be an EARTH one.
There's only three sacred treasures of Japan.
Unless Tsukuyomi has some equivalent I've not heard about yet.
pseudo urchin
guy's I have a yugioh arc v theory, when zarc and ray reincarnated the universe into 4 dimensions the dimensions where not remade as what they where in the animes but as how ray and zarc imagine them. in the anime we can see that heartland city looks exactly the same since in the og universe zarc and ray come from the events of zexal happened recently or in recent history and one or both of them either zarc or ray either lives in has visited or has seen pictures of heartland. since zarc was a pro duellist he would have visited heartland for a tournament this is why heartland looks exacltly the same in both animes. however neodomino city looks much more different from what it looks like in 5d's this is because what zarc imagines it to look like is what it looks like in his time or in the future of 5'ds or the post zexal times. we can see that the neodomino zarc imagines it as having interconnected highways throughout it and that it has most of its city above the ground, in 5d's we can see that the city is starting to build these highways for mostly dueling porposes but by the time zarc is born neodominoe will have finnished the highways and look like how zarc and ray imagine them and what they saw when the visited the city. with acadamia i believe it was shutdown and the only thing zarc and ray would know about it was that it was a famouse and prestiges school of the past that they might have thought of as a military like school. this is why it is a boot camp in the fusion dimension. And finnaly the standered dimension has tecknology a bit more advanced then what was in tho og anime, this is because zarc and ray failed history class and prolly didn't know what level of teck they had back in yugi's time. This also explains why none of the previous protags are in the anime since they had little teck in yugi's and jaidens time any physycal records of them where lost in zero reverse and they prolly vaugly now the company kaiba corp but not kaiba himself.
and the events of zexal weren't known to the rest of humanity so zarc and ray prolly didn't know about yuma either.
viral orbit
Nice copypasta
silver harbor
Or maybe just uh
Arc-v is completely non-canon to everything before or since it
That’s just a much neater, easier explanation
silver harbor
Depending on who you ask zexal is canon to 5Ds and earlier
But that’s very much up for debate yeah
viral orbit
i mean it was never confirmed
viral orbit
does not help that synchros were not a thing
silver harbor
Mhm
viral orbit
heck there was that bot that played synchroless scraps
they didn't even give him an xyz
silver harbor
Googly eyes drum dragon
silver harbor
I totally forgot about the other one then
pseudo urchin
does not help that synchros were not a thing
i think that synchro's where covered up by the gov in zexal because of how dangerous they where, after the world switched to a renewable source of power in xyz summoning the gov decided to burn any remaining sychro cards and destroy all evidence of sychro's ever existing so that no one could ever use synchro's again thus no more zero reverse incidents don't happen and the meklord genocide never takes place. and i think that the person who led the charge to have synchro's disappear was yusie himself. if we assume that yusie invented xyz's(since kaiba is prolly dead) then it would make sense why he would want to get rid of synchro's.
hollow wraith
i think that synchro's where covered up by the gov in zexal because of how dange...
canonically synchros never existed in zexal
it's an alternate universe
5ds didn't happen there
but dm and gx did
halcyon crane
Ye if it does they would put it in the anime as plot point
Even archetype that utilize both synchro and Xyz at the time doesn't even made it into the anime (Fire Fist, for example)
I specify anime because it was used in Zexal Spin-off manga, and even then, they only used Fire Fist Xyz
young lynx
this is Surgical Sky striker or Zeke?
viral orbit
this is Surgical Sky striker or Zeke?
https://prnt.sc/fDBN8ReNOssY
Zeke not HAMP
young lynx
i guess it'll have a 2nd form, the one that is on the actual card and its gonna be like a corrupt roze or smth
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young lynx
it looks different in the manga shot
is what i'm saying
the upper part of the armor isnt there
viral orbit
viral orbit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396387625113616384/1053619908312846336/...
his sword > Spatha wings ...
why do u do this konami....
viral orbit
@lean surge how do u feel about these
lean surge
So, where do the new Constellarknights fit in the lore, including Caduceus?
Don't think Kerk even got a break in MG5 to become this before all the shit with Shaddoll Core happened until he became free and became Shadoll Zefranaga.
So, has to be post?
primal spire
They dont 
silver harbor
his sword > Spatha wings ...
why do u do this konami....
For once
I think this might just be a coincidence
lean surge
Maybe after the war concluded, the Zefra power faded and everyone got diff forms based on their old powers.
Same thing that happened to, I want to say, Pilica can't remember.
Wendi.
I was thinking of Shaddoll Wendi and it needing to be post Zefra Wendi but still a Shaddoll(?).
Tho, in the case of the Rit Beast Zefra, even tho the names were of the riders, the wings were on the beasts. So, you could argue Zefra Wendi was Shaddoll Wendi on Zefra Pettlfin.
Obv, Zefra Nekrozswordmaster reverted to old man as well. Hmmmm.
Can't think of much else, so I guess Zefranaga became Caduceus, and two of the Tellars seperated from the fusion but had slightly diff powers?
Delteros was Deneb with the Kerk's staff combining with Vega and Altair.
And new Xyz is Caduceus (new Kerk) using his new staff to combine with new Vega and new Altair.
Hmmmmm. So, new Xyz is Delteros 2.0.
"Evilswarm Kerykeion" fought to suppress the "Shaddolls" from within, while "Delteros" gathered the staff and power it obtained from "Kerykeion" at "Apoqliphort Towers", and with the double suppression from inside and outside, "Construct" was finally stopped.
Kinda neat he recreated Delteros into a proper counterpart, I guess.
Thinking more on it, my man has no reason to pop off this much post war for basically nothing but he's earned it after how much shit he went thru, I guess.
viral orbit
psure these are post main storyline
primal spire
I dont remember that Sky Striker
viral orbit
incoming the lore girl who turns evil...
these are like the Pika clones at this point.
silver harbor
Corruption/brainwashing/etc is really easy drama
jade iron
I feel like Winda probably fits there better than Construct
silver harbor
Winda definitely plays a more active role in things yeah
viral orbit
yeh but winda does not have multi evil froms
construct does
so does the other girls
glacial dune
I feel like the Shaddolls as a whole kind of encompass the whole "lore that turns evil" thing.
Lore girls, in several cases. Winda, Construct, Erial, Wen …
long bison
The Gem Knights especially
halcyon crane
Surprised that there's no corrupted waifu card in Dracolore
It's animal that turn into dragon instead
jade iron
Surprised that there's no corrupted waifu card in Dracolore
There's basically only one waifu-bait card in Dracolore anyway
And I'd say that's the Majespecter True Draco
primal spire
Drident?
jade iron
Drident probably too butch
but I did forget about Zoodiac
Holy hecking poo, and so on
viral orbit
Khu moment
jade iron
Please stop calling every female monster a waifu.
The desire to hug the Zoodiac dog has been documented several times
I would feel it was inappropriate to not call Chakanine waifu-bait
Dare I say, it'd be remiss
halcyon crane
Most of the time it's from the same source, at least that I know
wide plume
@short void
hollow wraith
extremely funny to me that this literally starts with the "hey, you're finally awake" meme
wide plume
@jade iron do you have the Shaddoll Era duel terminal lore somewhere?
jade iron
<@213396782045069313> do you have the Shaddoll Era duel terminal lore somewhere?
this?
foggy lotus
tfw the vbex stuff is all stuff I translated months ago 
viral orbit
~~tfw the vbex stuff is all stuff I translated months ago~~ <:HaroldP:1039409475...
its ok vbex03 is coming soon
pseudo urchin
Its my personal head cannon that syrus is yugo's grandpa and that yugo's full name is yugo treusdale. And yes I know that yugo is a dimensional counter part but yuya had parents written in to the universe by zarc and yuto prolly had some fake relatives before they died in the initial attack from the fusion dimension. It would make sense since its confirmed in the show that zarcs goal was to surround his 4 pieces with strong duellist's like yuya's fake father so that his pieces would grow stronger and get back together. One thing that could discredit this theory is that any of syrus's children(yugo's possible parent) would get reincarnated into the fusion dimension, but I would argue otherwise since any of syrus's children would be born to the synchro generation since we know that 5d's takes place after GX. And if syrus's possible son(hugos possible father) was born into the synchro gen then he might have been the first speedroid user and then it would make sense why he would have reincarnated into the synchro dimension when zarc and ray ended the universe and rebuilt it into the 4, while zane(syrus's brother) was reincarnated into the fusion dimension. From what we can infer syrus may have also been reincarnated into the fusion dimension.
pseudo urchin
>dub names
you can replace all the dub names with the og names if you want, the theory still works the same since hyugo doesn't have a last name
jade iron
ARC-V was bad enough with Performapals being shared between Father & Son
Doesn't also need Speedroids to be some inherited archetype
long bison
I have to ask in regards to the Dark World monsters; why are some of them wet af? I thought they were drool at first, like Ceruli or Brron, but Snoww and Zure are dripping as well, but on their arms or hands. What's up with that?
long bison
True, there are also some higher-level Dark World Monsters that have steam instead of being wet. I guess they're so powerful, the liquids have evaporated into steam for them.
jade iron
Is this archetype creepy or wet?
It's a good archetype, sir
hollow shell
its wet
foggy lotus
long bison
Even their books are dripping with...I don't even know what it is.
Like bro, do these guys keep these things outside in the rain or something?
Ohh....he just keeps it in a damp-ass room lmao
viral orbit
its not
its not the same girl if that's what you are trying to say.
and the visuals of the dream world are not similar
long bison
We need these girls to meet so they can discuss their dreams together and have an epic dreamverse crossover. uwu
glacial dune
Maybe Dream Mirror Fantasy is like the nexus of this dreamverse, and other dream-related archetypes will be based on whatever snapshots of dreams are seen in it.
We've got one for food, so that might mean another one for swimming in the ocean (Aqua/Fish-Type?); one with jewelry and clothes, so maybe something Equip-themed; and then one with that castle down bottom right.
halcyon crane
lean surge
Visas got onekicked out of his Vicious form.
Not sure what the broken glass imagery is meant to be tho.
halcyon crane
He's gonna get mirrorjade version perhaps
devout hearth
Not sure what the broken glass imagery is meant to be tho.
he got kicked so hard he broke reality
golden flax
who or what is that in the big shard top left
halcyon crane
If I have penny for everytime 2 or more characters fused into single being, then for some reason the "good" part being ejected, thus making the fusion somehow more powerful and evil...
lean surge
Big shard on the left is the Manadome tree. Not sure if it's just its regular golden look or if it's on fire. I assume it's the former because we had no indication of it burning, tho that specific hue makes it feel like the latter.
Checking again, it's ripped straight from the tuner art.
primal spire
The imagery in generaly seems to just be the Manadume world
long bison
The glass shattering seems to lend to the theory the Prismatic World is just all in his mind, and his good version kicked some senses back into him.
halcyon crane
Despite supposedly being alternate version of him, am surprised Riumheart is the only one that actually looks like Visas, everyone else just seems so if you squint hard enough, and then there's Reinoheart
viral orbit
The Sophia horns are starting to show up...
long bison
Ol' Eldritch God's neck are the horns xd
devout hearth
really just the natural evolution of theater kids
viral orbit
Ol' Eldritch God's neck *are* the horns xd
no no, he has horns.
they are not fully red yet.
cedar sand
Abyss lore is ending soon right?
silver harbor
This should be the final set
halcyon crane
Don't ruin it like you did to Dracolore Konami
young lynx
ok lemme get this straight
after albaz got ejected from alba lenatus, Aluber decided to become all the bystials?
his final form being alba loss (wich is bystial lubellion inside what seems to be the dogmatika/despia nexus?)
and branded regained depicts red eclesia smooching bystial druisworm (wich is aluber, who brain controled her or smth?)
meanwhile, maximus is getting injected with the power of 664 souls inside the nexus and becomign the White Zoa?
also where is white dogmatika?
devout hearth
aluber reverted to human form then became lube 2 and summoned the 4 little bystials from who knows where or why
nexus/prosk presumably became the main body of albalos and lube 2 went and "piloted" it in the middle
we don't know about relic yet but the popular theory is that cartesia is her possessing ecc
young lynx
aluber reverted to human form then became lube 2 and summoned the 4 little bysti...
he made them with cartesia lol
seems kinda odd that white relic would posses eclessia after already possesing the red haired girl in dogmatika genesis
but i guess branded in central dogmatika could elude to that outcome
young lynx
who/what is the last, 666'th soul for the White Zoa / Bystial Dis Pater ritual (if Dis Pater even is connected to white zoa at all)?
cedar sand
seems kinda odd that white relic would posses eclessia after already possesing t...
Wait, possess? I thought white Relic was the red haired girl.
And she just dipped when ecclesia became cartesia
young lynx
yea relic is the red haired girl
it took 2 sets for white relic of dogmatika to be revealed and we could connect her to dogmatika genesis, so it could take the same amount of time to figure out what happened to white relic
devout hearth
relic is the redhead possessed by Quem, the spirit of the first saint
redhead was also 666
so they either sacrificed her earlier and quem's puppeteering the corpse (or maybe it just takes the soul and leaves the body vacant which would also provide a way for fleur to return), or quem switches over to ecc after fleur dies and uses her to sacrifice the redhead
young lynx
can you explain "provides a way for fleur to return" ?
from the dead or back to the state before she got cleansed by the icejade?
devout hearth
if the ritual is just a vacuum for the victim's soul, then the body would just kinda sit there
so if this is the case, then when pater dies, it's possible that the collected souls could be freed, and since fleur's body is still available it could just go back in
same with the redhead but nobody cares about her
young lynx
~~same with the redhead but nobody cares about her~~
redhaired girls are the best, i care
young lynx
i assume guignol is Aluber?
young lynx
aluber is bystial lubellion in branded inevitable
foggy lotus
[bystial lubellion]
fading yarrowBOT
[bystial lubellion]
Level: 8
[ Dragon / Effect ]
ATK 2500 / DEF 3000
devout hearth
guignol is quaeritis
foggy lotus
Yeah
young lynx
uff
both corrupted eclessia with her teachers corrupted armor
if we had an anime version of this id would slap
cedar sand
so they either sacrificed her earlier and quem's puppeteering the corpse (or may...
So relic is part of the 666?
cedar sand
redhead was also 666
Oh yeah, redhead -> relic -> then sacrificed after cartesia appeared
silver harbor
Relic is the body of the 666th saint yes
young lynx
is it possible that the name "guignol" alludes to the spear of odin, "gungnir" ? and as such is the weapon (Spear) of the despian god, maximus(alba zoa/bystial des padres)?
or maybe its the spear that red cartesia tries to use to try to kill the lindwurm (st.george mythology)
devout hearth
i mean
grand-guignol was a french theater that did horror stuff
silver harbor
Cartesia uses a sword
primal spire
Guignol is just a french term in their puppet theatre
Its unlikely to be related to Gungnir
viral orbit
viral orbit
is it possible that the name "guignol" alludes to the spear of odin, "gungnir" ?...
~~no it just means doll/puppet since its just the Armor of fleur-de-lis (after evolving 3 times)
lean surge
It has Albaz's stabbing knife Mirrorjade shard as a horn.
Kinda looks like Albion/Lubellion but White.
Apparently this one also has Shin'en in the name.
Lubellion's was read as Divine Flame, Alba Lenatus is Abyss, and this new Albion's is True Flame.
foggy lotus
What's the card with him and Cartesia
lean surge
Branded Light?
foggy lotus
Oop yeah just found it
lean surge
Also, do remember most of the fusions aren't actual fusions.
I imagine, that's the case here.
So, Ecclesia still might get another card.
foggy lotus
Oh wait Aluber got shot by Kitt didn't he
viral orbit
Also, do remember most of the fusions aren't actual fusions.
Alba-Lenatus was a Fusion tho.
keep that in mind.
viral orbit
i know i know but still. gotta remember that one special
lean surge
I can see this being Alba Lenatus' counterpart.
cedar sand
Also, do remember most of the fusions aren't actual fusions.
Too late. Now I'm imagining Albaz doing fusion dance with an unconscious ecclesia
lean surge
Alba Lenatus being the Red Dragon and this being the White Dragon.
viral orbit
I can see this being Alba Lenatus' counterpart.
i think its the counterpart of Bystial Rich Daddy
lean surge
Both can't be fusioned with and the other mat be the other fusee, if you do go the actual fusion route.
viral orbit
both white dragons, one is Cosmic horror and the other is majestic
they both have the red-ish Unicorn Horn too
i still think its funny that "The Holy Stigmatas" where just "The Brand of Sacrifice"...
hollow wraith
viral orbit
Albaz just decided to become Blue Eyes card
Does that mean the Bystial one is Blue-Eyes fused with graveyard mammoth...
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halcyon crane
Nah That's Lenatus
Bystial is Mammoth Graveyard that grows 3 head
fading yarrowBOT
viral orbit
The totally not "Qli" when...
WAIT ... the holes are the same shape as Qli cross-pattern...
are we getting a "not so Qli" made of holes instead
hollow wraith
avida also has the same naming scheme as sophia and tierra
viral orbit
we just wait for the abyss one
i'm guessing its gonna be based on Aevol this time.
viral orbit
the Hole Qli plz
wide plume
iirc weren't the Infernoids also tied a bit to the Qlis?
viral orbit
yes Qli are Angels Infernoid are Demons. That's basically it
wide plume
No I thought like the Infernoids were sealed inside the Qli or something like that, am I misremembering DT lore?
primal spire
You are correct
Well
Sort of
The Qlis and the Infernoids were sealed in the tree
jade iron
I don't think Qli are angelic
Or at least, they're Angels of Tierra
The Zefra are the angels
viral orbit
They were very much Angels.
jade iron
You're gonna have to provide some level of source
viral orbit
read the lore ?
jade iron
The Qliphort are the opposite of the Zefra
The Zefra are angelic
So how can the Qliphort be angelic
jade iron
The Qliphort only show up after the computer system of the world fails to establish an Angelic Order
They aren't themselves angels
But instead are vessels to contain fragments of Tierra's power
primal spire
I dont think they contain fragments of Tierras power either, I think they're just the agents of Tierra as it were
jade iron
My only logic for this is that Tierra is a fusion
& that Qliphoth in mysticism are vessels containing divinity
viral orbit
But instead are vessels to contain fragments of Tierra's power
that's wrong. they were Sophia's. Tierra hacked into them and recoded some stuff.