#duel_links

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vital scroll
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unless there's a card that I can use to bring neos in gy

sleek garnet
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Jaden also has 3 skills thatlet you normal summon neos for free

sleek garnet
robust void
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I really want to play with the new flag breaker cards but lol p2l

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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[Neos fusion]

vivid waveBOT
# sleek garnet [Neos fusion]
Effect

Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck that lists exactly 2 monsters as material, including "Elemental HERO Neos", by sending those monsters from your hand, Deck, or field, ignoring its Summoning conditions. For the rest of this turn after this card resolves, you cannot Special Summon monsters. If a Fusion Monster(s) you control that lists "Elemental HERO Neos" as material would be destroyed by battle or card effect, or shuffled into the Extra Deck by its own effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.

robust void
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rush duel cards

vital scroll
sleek garnet
sleek garnet
vital scroll
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I think every rush dueler starts with the harpie one?

robust void
vital scroll
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imma laugh if harpie deck in rush gets nerfed

sleek garnet
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Tomatosaurus is a channel i like

robust void
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it won't

vital scroll
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will it become meta?

sleek garnet
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It already is the best deck of rush right now

robust void
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is it a discord channel or yt

sleek garnet
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Yt

vital scroll
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oh well, every meta deck gets nerfed

robust void
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nice I was wondering if rush had any good yt content lol

sleek garnet
vital scroll
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harpie was already hit in speed

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also, I swear if I won't get D.D. crow this time

quick axle
sleek garnet
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But yea

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DLM sucks for rush but it kinda is the best we have for the west

robust void
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I'm fine with a jp source if I can still see tiers and decks

vital scroll
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I wonder if a deck becomes better than harpie in rush

robust void
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well yeah nothing stays the best deck

vital scroll
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it became my fav one

robust void
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sevens is really good

vital scroll
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altergeist, shaddoll, ra etc

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not the card I want

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and once again no D.D. crow, I hate this

sleek garnet
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And probably wont be, rush cards inherently dont have graveyard effects

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Which all 3 decks you listed revolve around

robust void
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yeah when you play rush it's very obvious how cautious they are of effect creep

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and I mean Lord knows why

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though I was pretty aghast at them introducing floodgates recently

sleek garnet
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Y A M I R U L E R

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Anyway where's ritual summoning?

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Do they think it's going to outclass maximums somehow?

robust void
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would really need to see the effects of ritual mons

sleek garnet
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Btw

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Do yall think "That Guy" will be an unlockable character in the go rush?

dry widget
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oof
i just played a sevens accel road mirror... we both control sevens road witch, and they had lethal by using tribute to the doomed on mine

but they misclicked on their own instead and i won next turn.

dry widget
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id like to see em though

robust void
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maybe they become ED generics like XYZ being the answer to synchros

sleek garnet
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That would be interesting

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until we get monsters that act as ritual spells, then it's just synchros again

midnight fable
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I need to get back on duel links, been taking a break

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especially cuz there is some log in rewards

young viper
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Should D.D. Crow be reprinted in a future Blackwing Structure Deck?

white stirrup
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Watch me put this Guy in Magistus with Necro Fusion and never Summoning it

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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No

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There's 3 other maximums in duel links currently, plus 15 or so ocg exclusive ones

vital scroll
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wasn't there also a t.g. one?

quick axle
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T.G. isn't even a Rush archetype

vital scroll
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there was a loaner deck with maximum

quick axle
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But not T.G.

vital scroll
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lemme check

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and ofc I can play after work

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just wanted to play this morning, but ig not

sleek garnet
vital scroll
sleek garnet
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I just posted 3

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Which one?

vital scroll
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the sky one

sleek garnet
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No

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Then again, harpies dont maximum summon their monsters at all

vital scroll
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it has more maximum atk though

sleek garnet
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So?

vital scroll
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more atk the better

quick axle
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Not always the case.

sleek garnet
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Is this the best card in the game?

vital scroll
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no idea, but it will be a pain to summon it

quick axle
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That's the point.

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High ATK != Better.

vital scroll
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I mean, some cards got high atk that's easier to summon

quick axle
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Irrelevant.

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Again, High ATK doesn't equal better.

white stirrup
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[Ancient Gear Chaos Golem] is pretty funny for "Big Number go Boom"

vivid waveBOT
# white stirrup [Ancient Gear Chaos Golem] is pretty funny for "Big Number go Boom"

level Level: 10
[ Machine / Fusion / Effect ]

ATK 4500 / DEF 3000

Effect

4 "Ancient Gear" monsters
Must be Fusion Summoned and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. Unaffected by Spell/Trap effects. Your opponent's monsters cannot activate their effects during the Battle Phase. This card can attack all monsters your opponent controls, once each. If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage to your opponent.

white stirrup
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Sadly not in DL yet

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Probably never will

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Kek

vital scroll
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but ancient gear will be peak then with that card

white stirrup
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In a 4000 LP format with a 20 Card deck I don't think we will get a Monster that can only be killed by a Monster effect outside the Battle Phase or something with 4500+ Atk
Would be funny though
We did get Knightmare Mermaid for a few Days after allHahaa

mighty bramble
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Maintenance lied to me

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It said it was going to be done now

agile bone
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they chucked an extra two and a half hours on it

dapper grotto
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We got the dubstep for Spectre's theme lmao

white stirrup
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Ay yo Specter?

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Neat

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I will play him with random Plant Mish Mash though
I never understood how Synvalons worked

vital scroll
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man, this was so close

robust void
vital scroll
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tbh, when do we unlock spectre?

vital scroll
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no char ticket today?

sudden tinsel
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Any improvements ?

sleek garnet
sudden tinsel
quick axle
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That seems upon the part? Maybe drop these:

  • The card after Terror Baby
  • The card after Trade-In
  • Mirror Force
  • Xyz Block
  • Xyz Reborn
sleek garnet
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I'd cut the shadow feelers, the 2nd dreary doll, the condolence puppets, mirror force, and the 2nd number 40

quick axle
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I don't see the point for Xyz Block and Xyz Reborn.

sleek garnet
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To add enemy controller, a 3rd bisque doll, a 3rd magnet doll, more backrow (limit 3s, a second barrage blast, book of moon), and a 2nd chimera doll

quick axle
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Way too situational.

sleek garnet
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But it is worse barrage blast most of the time

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And i'm assuming that xyz reborn just doesnt exist anymore, since its not in the first image

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I hope so, at least

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Perform puppet and junk puppet are also up to preference, i dont really like them, but they're fine

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Play 20-22 cards btw

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Deck isnt consitent enough to go to 25, even with trade in

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Society if the deck could just play d.d. crow and veiler

sudden tinsel
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Why enemy controller

sleek garnet
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It's kinda just the best limit 1 of the game

robust void
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isnt junk puppet just strictly inferior to reborn

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since youre not gonna run more than 1 anyway

sleek garnet
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Yes

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But reborn competes for the lim 1 slot

robust void
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o yea

mighty bramble
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I’m using Trickstars for the raid

dry widget
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same yeah

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autoduel surprisingly not as bad as i expected at playing them, it pretty consistently fields 5 link arrows!

robust void
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if the AI will do one thing consistently it's summon as many ED monsters as possible

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lol apparently flag breaker was released to promote the rush switch game? that's hilarious because I thought it was pretty shitty in that (though maybe I was wrong, it's just pve)

dry widget
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the one that can discard a card to revive a link helps

mighty bramble
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I have this weird habit where when there’s a character unlock event I tend to just use a character from whatever era of the anime they’re from

vital scroll
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and there goes the 500 gems not getting D.D. crow

white stirrup
white stirrup
vital scroll
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how far are y'all?

timber river
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oh crap forgot that started

white stirrup
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I dunno how far I am
I just let Ghost Girl Auto Duel Him the whole time
She regulary Wins but man the AI fucks up setting up a Board sometimes

pastel lotus
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they also forget multipliers exist

timber river
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I'm just using Playmaker with the free Structure Deck + some other Cyberse cards I got through Level Up

white stirrup
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Cynet Mining will probably get limited soon lol

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You are Evil Konami

quick axle
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EEEEEEEVUUUUUUL!!!!

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That was the free pack, BTW.

vital scroll
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that's peak

vital scroll
quick axle
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OK. Suggestion: Never spend gems on old and outdated boxes, unless they have a 50% deal (so it costs 250 gems for a 10 pull).

vital scroll
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but I need the d.d. crow

quick axle
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And for staples, that's the main priority for UR Dream Tickets.

vital scroll
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I thought I would get the crow with the 500 gems we got, but ig not

quick axle
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That was a waste.

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Again, control your urges to spend your gems needlessly.

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All you're doing is wasting valuable resources.

vital scroll
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I'm actually gonna use the card though

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since I'm putting it in the dm deck I'm making

quick axle
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You "need" it, but again, you really need to control your urges of spending gems nilly-willy.

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@sleek garnet When do you think it's the next half-gem deal?

vital scroll
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yeah, should've been better to use the gems on the other box with the crow

sleek garnet
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Its going on right now iirc

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But the next one should be in september

quick axle
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Up to what box is the half-gem sale?

vital scroll
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aka selection box vol.05, that would've been better

quick axle
sleek garnet
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Lemme check

vital scroll
quick axle
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The problem with the Selection Boxes is that those are designed for whales.

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And you can only open few boxes with gems, as the game limits you.

vital scroll
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so those boxes are never worth it?

quick axle
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For F2P players, yes, not worth it, they're a scam.

vital scroll
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what about the anniversary box vol.01?

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same story?

quick axle
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That one isn't there. Only the WCS2024 one

vital scroll
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rip

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so how am I supposed to get the second d.d. crow then?

quick axle
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Wait for UR Dream Tickets.

vital scroll
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I think I still got one

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gonna check rq

vital scroll
quick axle
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Limited amount of times you can open packs.

vital scroll
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so after the limit you can never open them anymore?

quick axle
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And once you opened the number of packs that you can open with gems, that's it.

sleek garnet
quick axle
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Not until the next time they're live.

sleek garnet
quick axle
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Alright, so it goes beyond the box that has D.D. Crow.

vital scroll
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yep, I got 2 dream tickets

sleek garnet
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So opening a box at a half gem sale would be 4.5k gems

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Opening a selection box would be 7k and you're not guaranteed to get what you want

vital scroll
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oh well

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should I use my 2 dream tickets for the 2 d.d. crow?

sleek garnet
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Also i would just keep digging for one crow

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And use a ticket on the second

quick axle
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Maybe try digging now they're on half-sale.

sleek garnet
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You already opened 150 packs on the box

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Might as well go all the way in

vital scroll
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welp, gladly I got 200 gems from the gifts

quick axle
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30 packs left, and currently they're at half-sale.

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So each 10 pack costs 250 gems instead.

vital scroll
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old packs are never on sale I think, it's still 250

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welp, time to open 10 packs, I'm gonna get mad if I don't get it

quick axle
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New packs are the ones that don't have the sale.

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The threshold is The King of Vermillion, which is a few boxes after Shining Hope.

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@sleek garnet Correct me if I'm wrong.

vital scroll
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I swear my luck is bad

quick axle
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Welcome to the world of gacha.

vital scroll
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38 packs remain

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well, I can buy 2 more packs, might try it

sleek garnet
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The usual is 500 for 10 packs

sleek garnet
vital scroll
sleek garnet
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No

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500 is always the normal price

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The sale only affects old boxes

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Which go to 250

vital scroll
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I forgot

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those structure boxes are 1k

quick axle
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Structure Dekcs are 1k.

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10x packs are 500 gems, except for the ones in half-sale (when there's one), with the price being 250 gems for the limited period, and the deal only goes up to a certain box.

quick axle
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Traptrix cards on the new box, and Rafflesia bundle... but no Traptrix Sera.

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Or even the Link-2 Traptrix monster.

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Allomerus is fine, but...

vital scroll
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yep, making this will be a pain from the amount of boxes I need to open

sleek garnet
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Btw

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The 2nd and 3rd copy of chronicle magician can only be obtained with real money

sleek garnet
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This is not a decklist

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It's just a list of cards people tend to run, not counting different variants of the deck

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Yes

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You can also scroll a bit down to see other decklists

vital scroll
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how about this?

robust void
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you should look for commonalities between them just in case the first deck you look at is a really weird outlier

vital scroll
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so ig wasting the games on d.d. crow was a big waste

robust void
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yes but if you don't waste gems sometimes you're not playing DL

vital scroll
sleek garnet
sleek garnet
vital scroll
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tbh, how am I supposed to get black luster soldier?

sleek garnet
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Lifetime missions

sleek garnet
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That's just how structure decks work

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Only 1 copy can be bought with gems

vital scroll
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oh yeah

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tbh, I might have to update my red eyes deck

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update it?

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Change it?

vital scroll
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black luster soldier

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bc I can't find it in the lifetime missions

sleek garnet
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Check if you already have it

vital scroll
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I don't

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Check your event tab

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On the missions page

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Yea nvm i just checked

vital scroll
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I never unlocked him from last bingo-

sleek garnet
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Its currently unobtainable

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Just cut it

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The list was 22 cards

vital scroll
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alright

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alright, got enough gems. gonna see if I get d.d. crow now

sleek garnet
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Btw

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Replace dingirsu with something else

vital scroll
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finally!

sleek garnet
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Can be anything that you can feasibly summon

vital scroll
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hmm, I take a number card then

sleek garnet
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Dont forget to use box chips for the very old cards btw

vital scroll
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if the trader got the correct one's

vital scroll
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gonna be an expensive trip

vital scroll
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bro- how are those people always lucky to have it in first round

sleek garnet
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@robust void we did it, we deleted rush duels

vital scroll
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I think imma switch those 2

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bc what's the point of having them if the fusion cards in the deck aren't useful with those 2 cards

sleek garnet
vital scroll
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ngl, but imma open some old boxes, bc I feel like it if I wanna have every card in the game

sleek garnet
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I can quite conditely state you will never achieve this

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But go ahead, it's your account after all

vital scroll
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yeah

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also, I wonder if we unlock spectre anytime

sleek garnet
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The date is in the event description

vital scroll
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welp, gonna check after I defeated him again

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tbh, I do hope we get his finale skill

sleek garnet
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That's a raid exclusive skill

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There's been dozens of them over the years

vital scroll
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rip

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also, 2 days left till we can get him

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so in the main time, I keep grinding points

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Please looks at the tier list in DLM before asking any questions about the meta

vital scroll
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nvm, it is

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kinda weird how tier 3 can defeat tier 1

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even tier 1 lose against harpie

timber river
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knowing the game and how your deck works is alot more important then what tier your deck is.

vital scroll
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yeah

vital scroll
vital scroll
sleek garnet
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No one played the deck in ages

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So

vital scroll
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did it get nerfed or something

sleek garnet
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Not really

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It just never got their good cards

vital scroll
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hoping we get them

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those are the only one we're missing

sleek garnet
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I'm fine with leaving them behind

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All of them are either floodgates or enable multiple negates that the game cant really handle at this point in time

vital scroll
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if we get the synchro and fusion, will it change?

sleek garnet
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The deck itself is still bad

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But other decks get access to to free unlimited spell negates

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They would need camelia and molecricket to be at least playable

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Deck is still very underwhelming, yes

vital scroll
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tbh, it was my first deck, before moving to harpies

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how far are y'all with the score?

vital scroll
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I did it... I actually defeated tier 1 deck with harpies...

mighty bramble
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Here’s what I got with my five free packs

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Potentially dumb question but how many of this guy are necessary

sleek garnet
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0

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Card sucks

mighty bramble
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Like in general?

sleek garnet
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On theory it's worse dotscaper that's called firewall so you can trigger the darkfluid skill

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But you have so much access to phantom/defenser that you dont need that

sleek garnet
quick axle
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What about Firewall Defenser?

sleek garnet
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Good card

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Is in the structure deck

quick axle
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I know, I got my free copy.

sleek garnet
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Skill needs you to have a firewall monster in your hand

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(Or a ritual monster but eh)

white stirrup
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How high are the chances we get a Skill for the Light Union Machine lineup?

vital scroll
frail basin
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Hi guys if anyone would like to duel shoot me a message or add me on links.

330-338-810 <-- Duelist ID

vital scroll
frail basin
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Whats the chances of them adding Protector whelp of the Destruction Swordsman to duel links?

vital scroll
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no idea

frail basin
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Iv been waiting for it for ages now.

frail basin
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Room

vital scroll
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alright

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room id?

frail basin
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612825

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Skills or no skills?

vital scroll
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no skill

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gg

frail basin
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GG bro and continue?

vital scroll
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imma continue on the event

frail basin
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Ok cool goodluck and GG

vital scroll
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thx and gg

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time to reach gold rank

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come on, gotta win this to reach gold

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gold rank reached with harpies!

frail basin
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Nice! Thats whats up man Congrats!

vital scroll
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thx

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my highest rank was gold though

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is this one still being used?

frail basin
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Thats great though gold is really fun after that it can get to be a bit much i prefer gold over platinum tbh

vital scroll
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yeah, reaching platinum with harpies will be a pain

frail basin
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It is but when you can i recommend this one

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These cards have also become a huge help lately and may help with your harpies deck but not 100% sure

vital scroll
white stirrup
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Call is pretty neat

frail basin
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I absolutely love synchro call so useful

vital scroll
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I was waiting to draw a cosmic cyclone to remove any of your face down cards away incase it was a mirror force

frail basin
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Yeah but thats what Mana dragon was for lol

vital scroll
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oh-

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did you have mirror force anyway?

frail basin
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No its cause once you banish or destroy a spell card i can special summon Mana Dragon from my hand and set that spell/trap card back where it was.

vital scroll
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oh

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@sleek garnet is gem-knight still good?

frail basin
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Yeah its very fun to use and you can use it with synchro call to synchro summon Void Ogre Dragon as long as you have.

vital scroll
frail basin
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One sec ill check

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Not that far Rank B or 100,000 point to next reward

vital scroll
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I'm still rank c

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lemme check my reward points in a bit

frail basin
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Yeah its link monsters this time around

vital scroll
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how far I am rn

frail basin
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41,000

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The more link monsters you have and/or link arrows the higher your damage will be.

vital scroll
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I changed the xyz cards in my deck to link

frail basin
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Thats whats up man should help

vital scroll
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but the auto duel keeps using the synchro

frail basin
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Oh your damage score only goes up in the even battles im pretty sure and yeah the auto duel system is wack in duel links i recommend setting the board up first and then turning auto duel on.

vital scroll
frail basin
vital scroll
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appreantly an empty list is full

frail basin
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Oh nice thats whats up and my bad ill fix it

vital scroll
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maybe you got max friends

frail basin
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Yeah that was it but should be fixed now

vital scroll
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sent

frail basin
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Gotcha feel free to shoot me a duel invite anytime or any questions you got and ill be sure to help to the best of my ability

vital scroll
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alright

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also, we got so many cards in the game, yet most of them aren't being used anymore

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like, I haven't seen anyone using harpies anymore when I came back 2 years later, expect for myself

frail basin
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Yeah the meta changes all the time but as long as you like the deck thats what matters

vital scroll
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also, I noticed we almost have all the toon cards

frail basin
vital scroll
frail basin
vital scroll
frail basin
vital scroll
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nice, seems we both got the god cards

frail basin
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Yeah it took me months to get all 3 of the 25th anniversary versions Obilisk did not want to drop

vital scroll
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but do you also have exodia?

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tbh, when do we get p.u.n.k cards in dl

frail basin
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Not the originals but I do have the new ones thankfully thanks to the new box and im not sure tbh

vital scroll
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I got dinowrestler, nordic, phantom knights, destiny hero, yugi starter deck, 3 random decks, exodia, 3 god cards and some random cards

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when will we get the rest

frail basin
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Hmm im not sure but thats awesome man iv been collecting alot of red eyes cards i got two red eyes dark dragoons but sadly the value plummeted lately

vital scroll
frail basin
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Oh nice thats whats up ill show you mine

vital scroll
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I got:

  • Dark Magician - Skilled White Magician - Magicians' Circle
  • Dark Magician Girl - Skilled Dark Magician
  • Magicians' Defense - Dedication Through Light and Darkness
  • Magician of Black Chaos - Black Magic Ritual
  • Dark Magician of Chaos - Magicians Unite
  • Dark Paladin - Dark Magic Attack
quick axle
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Okay, remember that this is the DL channel. Try to reduce the talk about OCG / TCG a bit, please.

vital scroll
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alright

vital scroll
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I might of won against Phantom Knights yesterday with harpies, how? no idea

quick axle
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Still Gold rank?

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Also, remember that your build for Harpies is still a bit subpotimal, despite the improvements.

vital scroll
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I just reached gold, had to face silent swordsman to get there

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wait- are we allowed to send a replay link from the game here?

quick axle
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Yes.

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But PC players won't be able to see it.

vital scroll
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alright, lemme get the duel link

quick axle
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Only mobile players for some reason.

vital scroll
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are you on pc or mobile?

vital scroll
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playmate, here I come

robust void
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@sleek garnet how far away do you think we are from shadow flower

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i finally finished getting the new ultimate flag mon btw

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last card i needed in the box

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as always

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gonna get 3 of the 2 tribute horse guy now

sleek garnet
vital scroll
sleek garnet
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not really

unreal barn
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Nordic needs the BACH support

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And Gullvieg

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To be even playable

sleek garnet
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you would unironically be better off not running nordic lights in your deck, even if it was in the game

vital scroll
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rip, my irl deck do have it

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also, what about the nordic link card?

sleek garnet
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it basically makes the deck function

unreal barn
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[Gullvieg]

vivid waveBOT
unreal barn
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[Gullvieg of the nordic ascendant]

vivid waveBOT
# unreal barn [Gullvieg of the nordic ascendant]

Rating: Link-1 ()
[ Fairy / Link / Effect ]

ATK 800

Effect

1 Level 5 or lower "Nordic" monster
If this card is Link Summoned: You can banish up to 3 cards from your hand and/or field, and if you do, Special Summon that many "Nordic" monsters from your Deck in Defense Position, also, for the rest of this turn, you cannot Special Summon monsters, except "Aesir" monsters, nor Normal Summon/Set any monsters. You can only use this effect of "Gullveig of the Nordic Ascendant" once per turn. While this card points to an "Aesir" monster, your opponent cannot target that monster with card effects, also monsters your opponent controls cannot target this card for attacks.

unreal barn
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1 card banish your hand vomit an aesir onto the board

white stirrup
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Ain't this the only good card they have basicly?

unreal barn
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The bach support is okay

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Its just really really lame

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You never do anything different

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Because you can't

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You banished all but 1 card

white stirrup
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They should have really just made Nordic as a whole the Archetype instead of splitting it in to 3

unreal barn
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Actually

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How many cards do you start with in dl again

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4?

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Its strictly worse in DL

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Cause you have to dump your hand into making a big beatstick

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None of the aesir have any relavent effects

white stirrup
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You pretty much need to just run monsters too cause if one of them is a Spell you are kinda dead

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Oh wait it banishes Cards not just Monsters

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Hm

sleek garnet
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At least it doesnt nuke your own hand as cost

white stirrup
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Metaphys? Maybe? Eh probably not worth trying

sleek garnet
white stirrup
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Haha yeah...

vital scroll
sleek garnet
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No it didnt

white stirrup
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In what Universe?

vital scroll
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isn't it on the site tier 1?

sleek garnet
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Is it?

vital scroll
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nvm, it's pk

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I mistaked the 2 decks

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also, what about gem-knight? is that deck still decent?

sleek garnet
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No

vital scroll
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rip

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hmm, I never seen this deck

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and ofc since they used mirror force, I lost, I'm fr gonna use that card now

sleek garnet
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you wouldn't be losing to mirror force so often if you were using the last will skill, you know

vital scroll
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I could win this if I didn't place the harpie face down

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quick axle
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Harpie's Last Will

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Mai's skill, which can redeem with a Skill Ticket.

vital scroll
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I'm not gonna main mai

quick axle
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And please don't be so stubborn.

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Then at least, PLEASE run Harpie's Hunting Ground as a card.

vital scroll
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harpie deck is literally my only deck for pvp, beside my red eyes farm deck

quick axle
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Harpie Perfumer can search it.

vital scroll
quick axle
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Do you have any SR Dream Ticket?

vital scroll
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I think I still got 1 left

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but I'm not sure

quick axle
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@sleek garnet What do you think, should he use the ticket on that card?

vital scroll
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still got the ticket

sleek garnet
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no

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use skill chips on it

quick axle
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@sleek garnet He doesn't want to use Mai.

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So I was speaking about the card in Blackwing Rising.

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And besides, you still need the card anyways for the skill.

vital scroll
quick axle
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Actually, wait a moment.

vital scroll
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?

vital scroll
quick axle
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We're trying to discuss the best course of action.

vital scroll
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alright

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then I wait with the ticket

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bro's losing

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quick axle
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Okay.

sleek garnet
vital scroll
sleek garnet
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Yes

quick axle
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What's the threshold for the Box Chips so far?

vital scroll
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done

sleek garnet
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Mid 5ds era

vital scroll
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got the card

sleek garnet
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Idr the exact cut off point

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I do actually

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Tornado of phantoms

vital scroll
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all fixed up

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yeah, I added extra trap cards and mostly mirror force, now I wanna ruin it for other people too

quick axle
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Actually. drop the extra traps.

vital scroll
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why

quick axle
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You're decreasing your own consistency.

vital scroll
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ok, back to 2 trap cards

quick axle
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Yeah, better that way.

vital scroll
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or should I change windstorm with magic cyclinder?

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bc I think I'm better off with that card

quick axle
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Also, drop Forbidden Chalice and add Hysteric Sign.

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That should come in handy to search extra copies of Elegant Egotist.

vital scroll
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alright

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even thought idk why I need 2 egotist with just 1 harpie lady 1

quick axle
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Actually, before I forget.

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Drop 1 Harpist in favor of 1 Harpie Lady 1.

robust void
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because you want to open it first turn and also you should have more than 1 elegant egotist target

vital scroll
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I mean, unless I loop it with oracle and resting ground

quick axle
robust void
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that's what I said

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there should be more than that

quick axle
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Ergo, why I said to drop 1 Harpist in favor of another Harpie Lady 1.

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quick axle
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But if you open the single Harpie and an Egotist, the Egotist is dead.

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[Elegant Egotist]

vivid waveBOT
quick axle
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No, actually.

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NVM.

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But regardless, you still want to have 2 Harpie Lady 1.

vital scroll
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resting ground can return egotist back too if I remember

quick axle
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But you're counting on an one-off.

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And that's not guaranteed.

vital scroll
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true

quick axle
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Alright, try to give it a spin.

vital scroll
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welp, got the hunting ground lol

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oh well, lost anyway

vital scroll
quick axle
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Sometimes dem's the breaks.

vital scroll
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yeah, I also got both sleeve and game mat from the event

robust void
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I really wish they had more variants of these cosmetics without the anime characters I don't care about

pastel lotus
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i have the headcanon spectre would love reading the giving tree

pastel lotus
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also i liked tag duel tournament for being one of the few non-world exclusive event

pastel lotus
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playmaker @ruby dagger get a temporary burst in usage due to the skill

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i could have sworn i barely run into him and his cyberse combos before...

vital scroll
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we got him!

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btw, the card is in his skill

pastel lotus
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duh

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has been the case for nearly every character since 5ds

white stirrup
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Also
Why does he just kinda do nothing?
Like none of the Cards I saw that he has does anything

sonic nimbus
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on an unrelated note

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have they released the missing rikka cards yet

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like petal, teardrop

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etc

frail basin
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Goodmorning everyone

quick axle
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@sonic nimbus Nope.

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Not even Rikka Konkon.

sonic nimbus
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Konkon would be way too broken for DL

quick axle
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Fair.

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That card is a 1 card combo.

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Probably as a Limited 1 card.

sonic nimbus
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nah konkon by itself isn't combo

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but the fact that it + mudan/snowdrop/glamour can just non target remove a monster from ur opp's field withotut them being able to react with that monster is nuts

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  • sheet basically trading 1 card for 2 monsters under it
vital scroll
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tbh, I wonder when we get the rest of the dinowrestler cards

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there's no decent deck with it yet with the current cards

vital scroll
vital scroll
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free win

robust void
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i was thinking just yesterday its ridiculous we dont have all dinowrestler cards (pankra excepted)

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theyre shitty enough for DL and probably already missed their chance unless their skill is turbo cracked

vital scroll
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we haven't got 50% of the cards

white stirrup
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I will never forgive that shit ass Archetype for excluding Dinosaurs for their stuff

robust void
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not sure about the question but even with all of their cards dinowrestlers aren't good

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I don't expect that to change in DL

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they just don't do much

scenic grove
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They’re good we’ll one card of them is

vital scroll
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is this card even good?

robust void
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I'm not saying that them being shitty is why we don't get them

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but why we should

timber river
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I wouldnt recommend opening that pack, all of the cards have been powercrept

mighty bramble
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Got em

vital scroll
vital scroll
vital scroll
mighty bramble
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I got three of Trick Clown now and I feel comfortable making Performages

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Actually what engine should I use with it

dapper grotto
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You'd probably want 3 of Damage Juggler more than Tricklown. 😔

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But ye, you should definitely use the Magistus with Performages, since they're spellcasters.

mighty bramble
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Here’s what I ended up cooking

frail basin
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Hi guys

dapper grotto
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hullo

dapper grotto
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I got what I wanted out of that box. Never looking back.

quick axle
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Shiny!

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Not the card I was looking for, sadly.

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I was just spending gems so I could claim whatever was on the Gift Box.

amber urchin
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alright! If you could decide what’s the next character added to duel links is, what’s it gonna be?

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My suggestion

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YURI

sleek garnet
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Any character?

amber urchin
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The way you said that makes me concerned but yes?

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If you pick an obscure character please give like an image of them?

white stirrup
white stirrup
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She's allready cheating her way in to the Tag Duels

pastel lotus
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rin of course

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they are still keeping her archetype under wraps

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duel links has this odd tendency to either make a character's ace their first introduced beater monster (sora, shun) or their "highest" grade monster they used (antinomy, yuzu, serena)

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since rin has also low (1) amount of duels, her ace animation goes to crystal bell, even if it is a fusion monster for a synchro using archetype

sleek garnet
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I want one of the vrains characters that dont have their decks printed in the tcg yet

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Just to see what happens

white stirrup
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Oh like that one Cowboy looking dude

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I think he was Ghost Gals Brother or smth?

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This Guy
Blood Shepherd

sudden tinsel
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@white stirrup nah I’d win

white stirrup
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Kek

quick axle
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Okay, but what about Akira Zaizen?

white stirrup
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I would be curious as how Tinwinkel would be in a 20 Card Format

quick axle
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Probably not that good.

sudden tinsel
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Yami Bakura vs Kalin is the dream match doh

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Destiny board stall lock vs Infernity

quick axle
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Lotten is just a minor character, sadly, and he has been used for the Duelist Road event that touched Crash Town.

white stirrup
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Whaaaat
Aw man
I think I missed that one

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What did he use?

quick axle
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Honestly I don't remember.

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That event was back on 2020.

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I think?

white stirrup
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Oof

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Would have been funny if he had his Ogres

dry widget
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he did iirc, gatling ogre at least

quick axle
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The Tag Force version, I think it was?

white stirrup
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Wow

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Sad that I wasn't playing DL back then

amber urchin
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Is it just me or does duel links soulburner sound like Zuko????

sleek garnet
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Sub or dub?

amber urchin
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Sub

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Sub*

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SUB

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AUTOCORRECT DAMM YOU

sleek garnet
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You good?

amber urchin
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DUB

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IT AUTOCORRECTED THREE TIMED

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TIMS

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TIMES

frail basin
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Whats up guys

sleek garnet
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Yo

frail basin
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Happy memorial day

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Anyone down for a duel?

sleek garnet
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Not at home rn

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Maybe later

amber urchin
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What deck do you use?

frail basin
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I play buster blader

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And ok dope here is my duelist ID incase anyone would like to duel. Or feel free to shoot me a message on here.

330-338-810

frail basin
amber urchin
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I play dimension dragon performapals so I just wanted to make sure you aren’t meta

frail basin
amber urchin
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How do I duel you idk much about multiplayer duel links

frail basin
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Ok one sec

amber urchin
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I think I made one?

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915441

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That’s the code

amber urchin
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You dragon slayer?

frail basin
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Yeah thats me lol

amber urchin
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ITS TIME TO D D D DD DUEL

frail basin
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D D D DDDuel!

amber urchin
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It says duel in progress but I’m not in it?

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Ok here we go

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I chose the wrong co character 😦

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Sorry my dad got Chinese food and I had to go get some

frail basin
amber urchin
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I can duel while I eat

frail basin
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I have to help my mom for a little but after that i should be free

amber urchin
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Ah

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When you get back reply to this message so I get a notification

frail basin
amber urchin
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Ight

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That’s not what I clicked

frail basin
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GG man again?

amber urchin
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Gg

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Sure

frail basin
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Ok dope i switched decks kinda

amber urchin
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Complete brick

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He’s

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The

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Hey

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HELP

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G

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H

frail basin
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Lol i hear that GG

amber urchin
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GGGGGGGG

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Rematch?

frail basin
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Sure

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GG bro i bricked hard lol

amber urchin
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🧱

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Rematch?

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Nooooooooooooooo

frail basin
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Lol GG man

amber urchin
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I DID SO GOOD BUT I WIFFED IT

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I SHOULD’VE USED MY SKILL BUT IT DID’NT WORK

frail basin
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You really did great duel and yeah Dragon destroyer swordsman prevents dragon effects

amber urchin
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I could’ve gotten any synchro in my extra deck (but crystal wing) then used my skill to get clear wing

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Oh wait nvm then

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I was gonna try to get crystal wing synchro dragon

frail basin
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Yeah i highly recommend this card for synchro decks

amber urchin
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I have nothing to summon with it

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Speedroofs go WHOOOOSH

frail basin
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Anything Dark like Void Ogre Dragon as long as its dark

amber urchin
frail basin
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It works for sure lol

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This next deck is my main deck i play though

frail basin
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GG bro that was fun

dapper grotto
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God damn. Agents poppin' off.

frail basin
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GG man i have to go for awhils but it was fun dueling.

amber urchin
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HOW ARE YOU TURNING MY MONSTERS INTO DRAGONS

frail basin
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Thats Buster Dragons effect

amber urchin
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DAMM YOUUUUU

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(Joking that was a fun duel)

frail basin
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Lol hell yeah man very fun

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Ima add you

charred aspen
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fastest way to get to level 35?

charred aspen
dapper grotto
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No, like Agents.

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No Counter Fairies at all.

charred aspen
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o mein gott

dapper grotto
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I guess that Skill really elevated them. I need to wathc a few vids on this.

charred aspen
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speaking of skills please new cydra skills konami i beg

dapper grotto
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Maybe once they remember GX exists. Kirbylmao

charred aspen
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no cause cyber style evolution actually makes me mad

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the deck at its height was playing 4 monsters total, why does it require 12 cyber monsters for the skill???

dapper grotto
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Have we even had archetype support from GX in a while?

sleek garnet
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Because they didnt want you doing that

charred aspen
sleek garnet
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Yes it is

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3 nachster 3 core 3 cydra 3 vier

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Done

charred aspen
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i'm not spending money on this game

sleek garnet
charred aspen
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you need real money to get more than one nachster

sleek garnet
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Dream tickets can grab it

charred aspen
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oh they can? good to know

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anyway even if you get through that the 2 out of game cards are just added to your deck at the bottom

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the whole archetype has like 3 card shufflers in this game, all of which have conditions

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oh wait cyberload fusion

sleek garnet
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You're supposed to search them with core

charred aspen
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i forgot he counts

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core cant even search power bond

sleek garnet
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Cyber pharos can get power bond

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But like

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Power bond is kinda meh

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That line if the skill might as well not be there

charred aspen
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its rough for cydras rn but not "run cyber pharos" rough

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and then the only other effect besides shuffling 2 cards into your deck that you have to search out yourself (not even one of the "return 1 card from your hand to the deck, add x to your hand" deals) is changing the level of one of your cyber dragons

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i'd probably win more games off fatal five

unreal barn
frail basin
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Summon

unreal barn
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you have WAY more efficent ways of doing that

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traps in general are bad if all they do is falicitate something you could be doing during your turn and not your opponents

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idt it'll let you activate it if you don't have targets so it becomes a dead card very quick

frail basin
unreal barn
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you see

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that is all technically correct

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the issue is

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the card is extremely niche and situational

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you need specifically-
a tuner already in the gy
a synchro mon to ss immediately after reviving
setting a trap and passing a turn for 0 value

yknow what does all of that but faster? Monster Reborn/Call of the Haunted/in archetype monster reborn effects

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you don't have room for niche sitational cards, the more situation a card is usuable in, the better on average

frail basin
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True but getting buster blader on the field is pretty easy and there are multiple level 1 tuner monsters and monster reborn has to be activated on your turn were synchro call can be activated during either. Its especially helpful if you dont have anything on the field for protection other than buster.

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Plus i like that as long as you have a level 6 monster on the field and a dark tuner monster in the grave you can summon Void ogre dragon.

unreal barn
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Buster Blader is an example of "in archertype way to do its playa"

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[Destruction sword memories]

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# unreal barn [Destruction sword memories]
Effect

Discard 1 "Destruction Sword" card; Special Summon 1 "Buster Blader" monster from the Deck. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; Fusion Summon 1 "Buster Blader, the Dragon Destroyer Swordsman" from your Extra Deck, by banishing Fusion Materials listed on it from your Graveyard.

unreal barn
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Not this

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[Prolougue of the destruction swordsman]

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# unreal barn [Prolougue of the destruction swordsman]
Effect

Send 1 "Destruction Sword" card and 1 "Buster Blader" monster from your Deck to the Graveyard, except "Prologue of the Destruction Swordsman"; Special Summon 1 "Buster Dragon" from your Extra Deck or Graveyard, but destroy it during the End Phase of the next turn. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; this turn, "Destruction Sword" cards you control cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects. You can only activate 1 "Prologue of the Destruction Swordsman" per turn.

unreal barn
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You don't need to rely on gimmicky bad traps to make plays your deck can do by itself

frail basin
# vivid wave

Prolong only works for one turn where as Syncro call allows it to stay on the field as long as your opponent doesn't destroy it. Also Destruction sword Memories works perfectly with synchro call it allows for both Buster and the tuner to be in the graveyard and for buster dragon to stay on the field.

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Prologue*

frail basin
mighty bramble
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Who’s this

timber river
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Asana from Yugioh Sevens

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she's a Rush Duel character

robust void
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fuck yesssss

white stirrup
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Syvalon might become one of my more loved Archetypes

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But God Damn if the AI for them doesn't suck ass

pastel lotus
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do artifact need sanctum to be playable?

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feels like the only way to do something with them is pop them all on opp's turn

unreal barn
pastel lotus
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will dl ever get clear vice dragon?

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i hope development team doesn't consider it to be one of those tethered to its character cards

frail basin
unreal barn
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Good cards save the game more consistently and in more scenarios

frail basin
unreal barn
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Thats my point though, the effect is extremely niche

quick axle
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That's a winmore card.

unreal barn
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You don't want to synchro summon on your opponents turn typically

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You want to setup your good synchros on your turn

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Word Lightbox

pastel lotus
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is it a battle trap?

unreal barn
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[Synchro call]

vivid waveBOT
# unreal barn [Synchro call]
Effect

Target 1 monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it, but it has its effects negated (if any), and if you do, immediately after this effect resolves, Synchro Summon 1 DARK Dragon or Fiend-Type Synchro Monster using only monsters you control as Materials, including the Summoned monster.

unreal barn
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Not strictly

quick axle
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By the time you get the chance to use it, you already won anyways.

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And also, it's too slow.

pastel lotus
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i got results with this so its good

frail basin
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Im not using it in a meta deck or to climb the ranks its just for my buster blader deck which its perfect for.

quick axle
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It's not a matter if it's a meta deck or not.

unreal barn
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^

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Deck strength doesn't matter here

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Cards packfiller lmao

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You have an entire sub archetype built around buster blader(destruction sword)

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You don't need to resort to gimmicky stuff to make the deck work

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When set prologue + memories gives you access to your entire deck anyway

quick axle
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[Destruction Sword Memories]

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# quick axle [Destruction Sword Memories]
Effect

Discard 1 "Destruction Sword" card; Special Summon 1 "Buster Blader" monster from the Deck. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; Fusion Summon 1 "Buster Blader, the Dragon Destroyer Swordsman" from your Extra Deck, by banishing Fusion Materials listed on it from your Graveyard.

unreal barn
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Notably the fusion effect is quick since its a trap

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And trap effects are always ss2 by default

frail basin
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Prologue isnt in duel links anymore i looked.

quick axle
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Spell Speed 2.

unreal barn
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Ya doesn't look like it

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Running Muskets for accessible interaction is pretty spicey

pastel lotus
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is warning point a good card? i noticed it doesn't actually break board

frail basin
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Ehh i like to run dragons with BB

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Or dark magician

unreal barn
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Especially in tailored meta like dl

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Where they deliberately keep the better options out of the game

pastel lotus
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i never felt the need to use it

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then again i don't really run combo decks lol

unreal barn
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Isn't dl at the "consistent orcust ftk" stage at this point

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Every deck becomes combo after awhile

frail basin
pastel lotus
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even exodia?

unreal barn
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Exodia is mid by design but INFO support does make it a lame "turbo out the castle" deck

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[Millenium Cross]

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# unreal barn [Millenium Cross]
Effect

Show 5 "Forbidden One" Monster Cards from your hand, Deck, and/or face-up field, then Special Summon 1 "The Phantom Exodia Incarnate" from your Extra Deck, then shuffle any face-up Monster Cards you control into the Deck, except "Exodia" Monster Cards whose original Level is 10 or higher, "Millennium" Monster Cards, and "Sengenjin", also you cannot Summon monsters for the rest of this turn (but you can Normal Set). After activation, shuffle this card into the Deck instead of sending it to the GY.

unreal barn
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[Phantom Exodia incarnate]

vivid waveBOT
# unreal barn [Phantom Exodia incarnate]

level Level: 10
[ Spellcaster / Fusion / Effect ]

ATK ? / DEF 0

Effect

5 "Forbidden One" monsters
Cannot be destroyed by your opponent's card effects. Once per turn, if this card battles, during damage calculation (Quick Effect): You can make it gain ATK equal to your current LP. Once per turn, when a Spell/Trap Card or effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can negate the activation. Once per turn, during the End Phase: You can Set 1 "Exodo" Spell/Trap or 1 "Obliterate!!!" directly from your Deck. Once per turn, during your Standby Phase: You lose 1000 LP.

quick axle
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(Alphine, actually, it's Millennium Ankh, from recent info, pardon the pun.)

unreal barn
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... I hate yugioh localization oh my godddd

pastel lotus
unreal barn
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Skills have just become custom cards with time tbh

pastel lotus
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hence the euthemism "mom says" skills

pastel lotus
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i realized you can't really brick with skills the same way you can brick with cards

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how often you can use the incentives for a skill doesn't seem to be probability-dependent

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probably why they are so hated

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you always get the field configuration promised by the skill assuming you built the deck the "right" way

quick axle
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@unreal barn And speaking of name changes, "The Unstoppable Exodia Incarnate".

unreal barn
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Sigh

quick axle
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Anyway, back to the topic of Duel Links.

sleek garnet
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@robust void WE WON

pastel lotus
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is night beam useful now since they can't crackdown/ice dragon whatever?

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what cards should i tech that removes crackdown?

robust void
sleek garnet
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Probably

robust void
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gonna resume watching sevens today

pastel lotus
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why was [smoke bomb] banned again?

vivid waveBOT
pastel lotus
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yeah idk the tcg names at all

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it's a bandit keith level-up card

quick axle
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[Infernoble Emperor King Charles]

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# quick axle [Infernoble Emperor King Charles]

level Level: 9
[ Warrior / Synchro / Effect ]

ATK 3000 / DEF 200

Effect

1 Tuner + 1+ non-Tuner monsters
If an Equip Card becomes equipped to a monster on the field, even during the Damage Step: You can destroy 1 card on the field. During the End Phase: You can equip 1 Equip Spell from your hand or GY to this card, then you can equip 1 FIRE Warrior monster from your Deck to this card as an Equip Spell that gives it 500 ATK. You can only use each effect of "Infernoble Knight Emperor Charles" once per turn.

quick axle
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This would be why.

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[Smoke Grenade of the Thief]

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quick axle
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Imagine an easily searchable Confiscation.

unreal barn
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Yeah this got yeeted in tcg within months

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Charles loops it even

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Since it can equip it from GY

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then immediately pop it

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Its 100% a preemptive hit

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Dl is at the point where they have to be hyper aware about consistent ftk shenagins

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Because every new deck from this point on is hyper consistent for 40 card 8000 lp

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Halfing that just makes it even more consistent

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Tear will probably destroy the game, you'll probably play 30 cards just to have anything resembling a grind game but your mills will be so consistent

quick axle
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But by then, it was too little, too late.

unreal barn
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They'll probably have to add most of the cards of gouki u link

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Its just the dangers the deck will be missing

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The wincon is gumblar handloop, engine is gouki, firewall is a good extender

quick axle
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As a foot note, Dark World is pretty much currently a P2L deck.

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Since it's expensive through the noses.

unreal barn
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Heck even borrelsword should be enough

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Or topologic bomber

quick axle
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Firewall

Remember that the SS effect was nerfed to Cyverse monsters.

unreal barn
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Damn no pre errata firewall shenagins

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Watch them add grinder golem to the game anyway

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You still have security dragon

quick axle
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Also, Gumblar exists in the game, but without the MP2 effects or the Extra Link effects.

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Since Extra Link does not exist in Duel Links at all.

dapper grotto
quick axle
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But... would it be too much for Duel Links?

dapper grotto
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If not a structure deck, then give us a pick up or deck build box.

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As long as they don't give us the effect changing cards, it should be fine.

quick axle
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Fusion Grapha probably would be a bit too much.

sleek garnet
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Honestly

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Dark world aint even that expensive anymore

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Only card you cant get from box chips is grapha

white stirrup
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# white stirrup [Infernety Doom Archfiend]

level Level: 6
[ Fiend / Synchro / Effect ]

ATK 2200 / DEF 1600

Effect

1 Tuner + 1+ non-Tuner monsters
Once per turn: You can target 1 face-up card on the field; negate its effects (until the end of this turn), then if you have no cards in your hand, you can destroy it. While you have no cards in your hand, if this card battles an opponent's monster, any battle damage this card inflicts to your opponent is doubled. A DARK Synchro Monster that was Summoned using this card as material can make up to 2 attacks on monsters during each Battle Phase.

white stirrup
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Ah

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Thought it was a quick effect

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Nvm

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Man Inferneties can't have shit

vital scroll
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is crystron even good in dl?

sleek garnet
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Not since 2020

vital scroll
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what happened to it?

timber river
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Just powercrept

quick axle
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Pure copium nowadays.

vital scroll
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idk why, but I have an urge to use old decks

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like gem knights

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you know? I'm taking a challange to put old good decks in meta

vital scroll
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nvm, not enough cards for a good deck

quick axle
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Ghostrick doesn't have enough cards, and wouldn't make a good deck anyways.

vital scroll
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yeah, it's missing the spell cards

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and why not a good deck

white stirrup
robust void
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it was never alive

quick axle
muted sandal
white stirrup
vital scroll
white stirrup
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I never said they won

vital scroll
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true, but the deck is unplayable without the spells

dry widget
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ASANA

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ASANAS COMING <3

vital scroll
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who-

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first try

vital scroll
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easy peasy

white stirrup
quick axle
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I don't think so.

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I think that's probably a bait card.

charred aspen
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Konami kind of ate making this available for rare tickets

vital scroll
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also, is dream mirror deck also bad?

quick axle
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Yep.

vital scroll
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man, every deck I say is bad

white stirrup
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Yeah Decks that Rely on the Field Spell are kinda terrible in general

vital scroll
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ig same for harpies

quick axle
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Harpies aren't horrible, just power crept.