norra is good for fucking around, too
#Legends of Runeterra
muted olive
That darkin actually p nice
grave zodiac
yeah it;'s cool
night nova
how does it work, if it dies as a unit it stays dead?
slim jacinth
Thats how most Darkins work, yes
muted olive
Yeah xolaani is the only darkin non-weapon form that keeps coming back. Makes sense w her lore@night nova
solemn slate
Demacian champ are always so zzZ
Zomg another rally/free attack/strike, guys!!1!!!1
muted olive
Just wait for Sylas
wispy latch
3 mana 3/4 though
night nova
she be smorcin'
also, 1 mana 2/2 with upside
in general these are just well stated units with upside
grave zodiac
just saw this since they switched places in patch notes, thank god
maybe they will finally learn how vaulable health is, especially burst speed health
night nova
she still kills you, but now you have to make her waste buff spells to gain health
big nerf, idk if it's enough
teemo in Path of Champions
now THIS is the news I care about
gilded pike
patch is out, looks like
night nova
new 4* adventure in PoC LET'S GOOOOOOO
time to stop punching ||galio|| and start punching the new thing
||this is the second battle, new adventure got hands 
|| spoiler for new adventure
grave zodiac
I can only imagine the new shit they came up with
I keep getting whipped by viego in PoC
night nova
got a C on Jinx
on fucking JINX
how are you supposed to clear this with any other champ
MAYBE Diana, but anyone else?
they actually made something that tops the nonsense in the previous adventure, and I am all for it even if the way they did it is a little on the lazy side
they want you to clear this with a bilge champ, and I have no clue if any bilge champ is broken enough
trying diana, and I did not get any mana discounts on the first power. I might just be dead on the first battle 
grave zodiac
If jinx can’t do it then you need supreme bullshit lol
night nova
jinx did it, she just got a C
took like 30 damage in the last fight
diana can out-bullshit jinx, but she needs very specific powers
and this one ain't it
I'm quitting this run after the second fight these rolls just ain't it 
night nova
got an S on my second Diana run, went infinite with lunari duskbringer
so you can still bullshit your way out of the run, but diana probably has the easiest time going infinite, or at least otking, out of any champ
grave zodiac
@muted olive sigh
muted olive
Bless
night nova
🙏
grave zodiac
what's the first serapahine deck we roll with 🤔
I have the feeling she's meta, I just don't know what the mix is
night nova
I'm doing sera ez
got a 62% wr over 8 games
so take it with a grain of salt
going with ionia, and it feels solid
wasn't my idea, but it's working out
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on this atm, tho I recently added the 4 mana 2/2 to the deck
list ain't set
gilded pike
most common mix I see is aphelios sera rn
night nova
ok but how are you smorcing them on their turn with moon lad
gilded pike
spell spam and reggie really
grave zodiac
hnghhhh
night nova
my main losses on sera/ez are to me playing poorly
wezl brain too stronk
this deck is accelerated karma ez
lost two completely winnable games because I played like shit on the first few turns
I fucking love this deck. My only issue with it is seraphine screaming in my ear.
grave zodiac
lol sera can pull spells from different regions outside your deck
night nova
everything about her is fun up until YAAAAAAH but at least my opponent hears it too
yeah
got a guiding touch vs burn
and the best part about running her in ionia is that homegoing lets you generate even more spells off her
or off fanclub president
grave zodiac
also fanclub president will definitely cause rage later
night nova
I lost to exact lethal off topdeck fanclub into shell game
there is no later, there is only reeeeeee
sera is like karma, but the upside is up front and smaller
the card generation, the duplication
but sera is also a good blocker
wispy latch
seraphine has the same probably in LoR as in league of legends
its all fine but holy shit please shut up
night nova
I played like shit all game, still won, I did not deserve this at all
I let an ez die because I had 2 mystic shots in hand and thought those were ez
night nova
this deck is just hitting everything I like about LoR
spell doubling, waiting around and stalling for big damage, mystic shot/get excited face
it feels a lot like a mix between champless burn and karma lux and I am all for it
slim jacinth
I just hope we get the Ez rework we need soon
slim jacinth
A proper one
Ezreal is just always gonna be a problematic design
Its always only a matter of time before he breaks yet another deck
His design fundamentally needs to change
My suggestion would be that his level 2 shoots a mystic shot at anything you target on resokution of that spell
night nova
that'd make him useless
like
turbo useless
oh wait it targets face, too
so you're replacing the burst lethal with even more face damage
slim jacinth
It makes him more interactive
night nova
no, wait, you're reducing face damage
slim jacinth
And also lets him have more use as a removal tool
But yes, the idea is to remove the sudden lethals that are uninteractive
night nova
it makes him pathetic
because he needs to run face cards over the cards that level him
him being a removal tool that requires you to run a deck full of removal tools just to level up makes him pointless
just play sera and target the face with the spells, and run like vi over ez
slim jacinth
His decks would change, but something like Make it Rain for 3 damage to 3 targets is pretty pog
night nova
you have much scarier control champs out there, and they are scary because they let you convert your removal into something that ends the game
slim jacinth
Either way, the point is that Ezreal is extremely uninteractive, and every time he is viable in anything that isn't a tempo deck, he is a massive problem
night nova
donger and his turrets, lux and her lasers, veigar and his 20 damage darkness to the face, etc
tempo ez was an issue, too
slim jacinth
So the solution is to make him interactive, and push him towards tempo
Power-wise, not design-wise
Draven/Ez was very strong (strongest deck at the time actually)
But people didn't hate playing against it
Well, at least less than the 3 next-best decks
night nova
But people didn't hate playing against it
I did
but anyways
as a tempo tool, ez is outclassed in his own region, and in other regions
even if you make the change you suggested
why not just run cait or vi or whatever
slim jacinth
Because those don't really do much but be decently efficient bodies
Besides, you can tune that version of Ezreal
It's much more balanceable
night nova
your ez doesn't do much besides become a funsmith
he's just funsmith that doesn't work with cards like wail or warning shot
slim jacinth
On the other hand, Kennens mark becomes 0 mana deal 2, as do a bunch of other effects that dont do damage
Plus, he'd be one mana cheaper for double the effect
night nova
kennen's mark already stuns and deals 3
the issue with kennen is how do you close the game
your ez does nothing for that
the thing with control decks is how to close the game
night nova
what
oh
but why do you care about that
you're stunning their shit
how are you ending the game, ovven
slim jacinth
Because it lets you actually clear their stuff instead of stunning it, letting you go for a wincon like running them over with small units, or just straight up elusive stuff
Instead of "I play solitaire until I solve the pile and win, and you're nothing more than a glorifie spectator"
night nova
Because it lets you actually clear their stuff instead of stunning it, letting y...
stun lets you do that, too
their units are out of the way
I agree ez is shitty design
but that's not a way to solve him, that's just adding another unplayable champ onto the pile
slim jacinth
Stun is temporary, damage is eternal
Again, you can tune this version
He doesn't have to be unplayable
He just wouldn't be immediately an issue as soon as he is playable
night nova
killing the nexus after you stun their board is also eternal
slim jacinth
Hell, he could get back his 0 mana mystic shot on nexus strike
night nova
his concept is the issue, not how tuned it is
you're keeping his levelup, which requires a deck full of removal, and then your reward is removal
removal is not the issue in your deck, a finisher is
slim jacinth
... you know the levelup can be altered too?
night nova
what do you change it to, then
slim jacinth
Or tuned, or whatever
Besides, it requires a deck full of targetting cards, not all of which are removal
And your reward is making your targetting cards removal, or making them stronger as removal
Thats pretty good
night nova
I'm not with you there, chief
turning your cards into better removal is what swain and yasuo do
slim jacinth
Or face-damage off of your spells
night nova
swain indirectly, at least
slim jacinth
Think about how Deckhand is a good card in Swain
Since it makes your Make it Rains pretty nice
slim jacinth
Now imagine double that, on every make it rain
Well your mistake 
(Dunno if its standard now, but it was standard for the longest time so the point still stands)
night nova
you're just making him a funsmith with a cost
slim jacinth
Except double the effect, cheaper, and with the bonus of affecting non-damage targetting spells too
So I'm making him like Funsmith in the same way Vayne is like Ruined Reckoner
night nova
he ain't cheaper because you gotta build your deck around him
vayne you plop her and boom, instant value
same as reckoner
vayne's cheaper, better statted, in a better region, and does it over and over
and requires 0 added support
slim jacinth
She does actually, otherwise Tumble is pretty mediocre (and makes the "she's cheaper" part moot)
4 + 0 < 3 + 3
slim jacinth
Yeah no, Ezreal could easily see play like that
Sure, he wouldn't be your only wincon, but thats fine
He wasn't even your main wincon in draven/ez
night nova
you're comparing him to funsmith tho
slim jacinth
He doesn't need to be, to be good
night nova
and funsmith is godawful
slim jacinth
Yeah because funsmith is 4 mana, doesn't do anything beyond enhance spells, and only adds 1 damage
If she was 3 mana and added 2 she'd be unironically good
Her design isn't bad, she is just undertuned
slim jacinth
Like off the top of my head
Its Wail, Avalanche and ... yeah thats basically it
P&Z + Freljord isn't a thing beyond a bad Teemo/Sej list
And 1 -> 2 is not a huge breakpoint nowadays, which is part of why Avalanche is meh
Maybe thats why Deckhand is eh nowadays
night nova
P&Z + Freljord isn't a thing beyond a bad Teemo/Sej list
telling that to the teemo sej main 
people just don't build it as a tempo deck
but yeah, deck ain't hot atm
slim jacinth
Precisely
night nova
unrelated but
just faced off against a top player
dude tried to game me with curse of the tomb overwhelm, got smorced by monke instead
night nova
no, to have a broken card
it does that, too, but the card is just free cycle, poke, and a burst speed blocker
it does level sera and proc ez, but that's a bonus
it's insane in ionia combo decks
night nova
it lets you do something with all those turns you are passing, it gets you faster to your combo, and it puts them in lethal range, all while being an emergency burst speed blocker
night nova
Does Seraphine double it
yes
night nova
I have done so already, and it's so funny
slim jacinth
Karma + Simoon + that Freljord spell that gives +2/+2 to a unit and all copies of it everywhere
night nova
night nova
W H O O S H
night nova
frel/io has issues
it's so durdly and slow
and it gets smorced
shimon wind helps, but if it's your wincon, you can't really sacrifice it so often
karma braum was so much fun
and you'd use legacy on mighty poro if you generated it
and just kill them with infinite free 5/5 overwhelms
wait, 7/7
yeah, infinte 7/7 overwhelms
slim jacinth
"Infinite" 5/5s staring down a Vengeance on Braum
night nova
you are talking about the deny/recall region
and why are you vengeancing braum when you need to be saving that for karma
braum was not the wincon, at least not every time
karma's rng bullshit was
slim jacinth
Minimorph then
night nova
the deck is already mega dead
it died with the braum nerfs
frel/io dodn't do much else besides that and turbo FTR
brauma was a fucking delight to play, tho
with the 1 atk braum
slim jacinth
Ah, the broken one
night nova
yes
back when braum was giga busted
man, biggest issue I'm having with the deck is flipping ez
and not dying to vayne but demac rallyspam is always the combo counter
anyways, point I'm making is Sera flips so absurdly easy, and she's useful even before flip
after flip she's the nuts
slim jacinth
Also, I am so glad we got Ultra Rapid Draw back
Nothing is more fun than getting Avatar of the Waves in that gamemode and just popping the hell off
gilded pike
heh
slim jacinth
night nova
gilded pike
I don't remember this
night nova
I think the volume on her levelup was louder
grave zodiac
remember when Kalista had the most annoying levelup sound?
Now that@title@belongs to seraphine
night nova
YaAaAaAAaaAAAAAA
the two worst things about playing sera are
- the deck is hard and misplaying is so easy
- her fucking scream
gilded pike
tbh seraphine is gonna be the next zoe vi, where top players claim she's the best but nobody has the skill to pilot her to the top other than the top players
night nova
the thing is, she's so damn good that she makes up for many of my misplays
she's caked af so I can just block with her
looping her with homegoing or just killing her off to summon another one works
had someone repeatedly fish fight my seras to death and the cards I generated off the new ones kept me alive
and also gave me lethal in the end
sera's just a skillful deck, you need maximum skill to rng the right cards
gilded pike
well good news is so far her best variant seems to be viktor
slim jacinth
Oh thank god
night nova
ez is easily the worst card in the deck
you can just win off the bullshit sera generates if you don't build your deck around him
slim jacinth
Do you play Purrsuit?
night nova
nolol
why would you if you can kill them off burn spells and celestials and shit
or, better yet, generate a 2 mana purrsuit if you want it
slim jacinth
Wrong answer
night nova
purrsuit is like ez, a brick until late game
but unlike ez it can't block or deal damage early game
slim jacinth
Thats certainly true
night nova
and it does not come online by turn 10
gilded pike
purrsuit makes me sad thinking about all the old cards that have no real use in the current game
gilded pike
cards that are bad in the current game and ones that have always been bad
night nova
However, counterpoint: Cat puns
gilded pike
like that freiljord unit that deals 1 damage to a unit
gilded pike
the only reason I remember it is cause it's in jhin's poc deck
night nova
p sure I always cut it when possible on jhin
slim jacinth
You would hate some of my decks
night nova
it and yone
ovven, I called my sera deck copyright strike
I'm ok with puns, just not the insane cat puns rito makes
oh speaking of
slim jacinth
Those decks are also cat puns
night nova
one of my opponents copied my deck off my runeterra profile
and immediately lost with it
I did kick their shit in, tho
slim jacinth
Im tempted to make a mono P&Z cat pun deck called "Purrity of Purrpose"
night nova
they got me to 4 and double get excited my face, and I healed for 9 off one tellstones
and then I healed to full and otk'ed them the next turn
slim jacinth
Oh a P&Z and Bilgewater deck called "Pawker-winning furtune"
slim jacinth
I knew you'd like it
I wish we had some law-themed P&Z cards, maybe with Renata
So I could call a deck "Beware the hidden Claws"
slim jacinth
Insider Knowledge
Because Tahms LoR portrayal doesn't really go into the contract thing
Oh and when we get Singed
night nova
his levelup has a contract
and his followers have contracts with him
my opponent lost another game with my deck
slim jacinth
I will make a deck called "Pawsitive Catalyst"
slim jacinth
At some point Im gonna send you a screenshot of my decks
Though I worry it might leave you catatonic
night nova
do you think it will top my 30 teemo decks imgur gallery
complete with decklists and a brief summary of each of them
slim jacinth
Ok but why though
night nova
because teemo is my favorite champ and he's extremely versatile
he's just a 1 mana threat in a region with mystic shot
tho mystic is not amazing anymore
oh and someone asked me to build teemo vlad back then so I did
tho sera might be my new fave
even if I hate her levelup voice aaaaaaaaaaa
grave zodiac
tbh seraphine is gonna be the next zoe vi, where top players claim she's the bes...
insert sky striker twitter post here
also that demacian darkin is so good in panth fiora
night nova
card is nuts
night nova
they always did
well, since last patch
card is just a big, good overwhelm/challenger unit in biggoodunit.dek
well, fiora/panth is more of a build your own threat deck
but camthor is a strong threat
grave zodiac
also fish fight is pretty good too
night nova
yeah
night nova
well, after 20 games, I'm on a 55% wr with sera ez
deck gets its teeth kicked in by big unit aggro (most of the time) but beats everything else, it seems
does v well vs burn, too
I did lose every sera/ez mirror I faced tho because weasel brains are smooth like river pebble
honestly, I could have probs won some of those aggro matchups (not all of them) if I was an actual good player
slim jacinth
Whats ... big unit aggro?
night nova
DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
scouts, vayne, shit like that
rallyspam
their units are too big for removal and come at you multiple times per turn so you die
slim jacinth
Isnt that just midrange
slim jacinth
Thats usually what it was ye
night nova
then yeah you die to demacia midrange
honestly, I could run Tasty Faefolk to prevent vayne from swinging, but that shits up other matchups
and they can just swing with the quick attack unit they run alongside vayne
or fish slap it
I think I just take the Ls vs demacia while I consistently kill everything else
I even manage to steal a win from time to time if I generate enough bullshit cards
gilded pike
we've reached true hearthstone
also fuck I really just lost to varus yi of all decks cause they opened 3 keeper of the box vs aggro lmao
night nova
nah, I'm not at ten mana at turn 3
not hearthstone yet
owo
what you on komi?
varus yi is like
I've never seen that shit
it's always the randomest decks that get ya
gilded pike
annie jhin
grave zodiac
we've reached true hearthstone
seraphine's biggest fan is triggering my ptsd
grave zodiac
also I realized I was reading seraphine wrong
night nova
grave zodiac
she only copies spells that were brand new
thought she was just always echoing every spell
night nova
nah, she'd be poppy'd by now if she did
the trick is to run a shitload of 1-ofs and spell generators
gilded pike
man I'm getting insanely unlucky though with these matches
is death ray a thing now in seraphine aphelios or is this motherfucker just the one person running it
grave zodiac
lol
night nova
p sure it's a thing
slim jacinth
You have to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to include death ray lmao
night nova
each one is a new spell
yeah death ray is doodoo
even a 1 mana deal 3 fast ain't it, because you're facing down bigger threats by then
gilded pike
idk uno I think you're just coping on calling death ray bad when it provides removal for the next few draws
slim jacinth
idk uno I think you're just coping on calling death ray bad when it provides rem...
Sure, it provides mediocre removal while making you less likely to draw actually good cards
night nova
uno's right
sera is all about comboing and shit
wait
sera/phel lists death ray as a card they run
night nova
had
gilded pike
I mean that shit solo'd me as probably one of their worse matchups
no reason not to run at least one from what I can think of, considering the synergy
night nova
what synnergy
gilded pike
each new death ray is a new card
also cheap spell for nightfall, or if you're viktor then it's a created card
night nova
yeah, each new death ray is a new card, but you are not starved for those in aphelios
I think the nightfall trigger is the bigger part here, and the fact that aphelios generates so much value that you can afford it
in general sera has a full hand the entire time, there is no need to run more value
slim jacinth
There are better 1-cost spells for nightfall triggers tbqh
night nova
aye, but you're mostly running 1-ofs
gilded pike
that's the other thing yeah, seraphine has a lot of 1-ofs
night nova
Ionia can get away with it because of deep med
that card is soooo insane
the new draw 5 flow in PZ is also insane
gilded pike
fuck just played vs vayne rumble and I get why people are on this
if I wasn't on annie jhin I would've died on turn 5
night nova
it kills ya real fast and there isn't much you can do
vayne and sera are competing to see who is the more busted champ
all the current masters players are on vayne, so
gilded pike
the draw spell acting as a rumble searcher must help a ton too, even if you out the first rumble
night nova
that, too
vayne and sera are both fucked tbh
but idk what bad matchups vayne has
sera has a bad matchup vs vayne
seems like it depends on the vayne variant, according to runeterra
annie jhin seems like the way to go there
but even then, it's only a 60/40 matchup
while vayne kicks sera's teeth in, and sera kicks burn's teeth in
so, vayne>>>sera>>>burn>=vayne
why am I not playing vayne then, seems like a misplay
gilded pike
vayne is the best in terms of raw winrate with what little sample size we have so far
I'm playing burn cause it's supposed to farm a lot of vayne and in general will probably hit other unoptimized stuff, as usual
night nova
best in terms of matchups, too
I'm playing sera because karma lux was one of my fave decks, and I like it when my spells go brr
helps that the deck is broken
slim jacinth
Win rate isn't a great metric, especially early on and especially when there is a gap in difficulty
gilded pike
that's specifically why you shouldn't trust it for seraphine
night nova
sera no, but the vayne vs burn matchup?
gilded pike
however unoptimized showing a high winrate with one champ does show that something's going right unless people aren't adapting to the strategy
slim jacinth
Or people are playing unoptimised decks that that deck happens to beat
Face Hunter in HS had a high win rate early on for most expansions, that falls off entirely after 2 weeks
night nova
I added 3 palm to the deck and it's helped vs vayne, but the problem is tumble ignores stuns and the units don't care about the blocker
gilded pike
helps that vayne has a massive playrate too
night nova
I could add faefolk, but like
if they tumble any unit not named vayne, faefolk sucks
I think I need to be on thermo for this matchup, but holy shit is thermo clunky
gilded pike
you should have at least 1 thermo by default
gilded pike
it's always good in that one specific situation
gilded pike
tbh you could even drop it on 1 vs certain decks like aggro lol
grave zodiac
is vayne actually good
night nova
yeah but you beat aggro
night nova
is vayne actually good
yes
grave zodiac
she seems so weird
cause tumble costs 3 and she doesnt have quick attack to trade into
night nova
she is a badgebear which lets you combo kill your opponent
night nova
yeah, she enables other units to fucking murderize you
while she just sits on her fat ass and does nothing
night nova
which ones?
grave zodiac
like kayn got new cultsist I guess
night nova
ah, vayne kayn is a thing
it's p dece
idr what other champs
norra sera is a thing, but it's still got a sera winrate
hard champ is hard
it'll take time for people to settle on which sera variant is best, but norra is on shellfolk which is ew
sera decks already mill themselves due to value overload, and you are running shellfolk
like broski what the fuck
night nova
ahhh, yes, trump
gilded pike
I thought norra sera was like not even just sera winrate
like when I last saw it was abysmal
night nova
the ol' value trade over face gamer
gilded pike
oh it's 45% now
slim jacinth
He doesnt
But this is the kinda deck he would play
Its the kinda deck he plays in HS
night nova
ahh
the value overload that mills itself and still generates more value deck
but no finisher
look, sera decks don't always run finishers
but they don't need fucking shellfolk for value
even my fucking ezreal deck has full hands all the time, and that's a combo deck that is mostly removal spells
and I still play removal spells and still have full hands
night nova
that's why I run back alley bar
mana discounts go brr
the problem is that also fills my hand
fuck, man, I want to run disciple of doran and thermo
how do I fit them in
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this is what I'm on atm
sputtering is there because sera+ez+sputtering is an otk
well, close enough to an otk
unrelated, but
it turns out I beat one of the seasonal champions with sera/ez (he was on some sort of annie/kat deck)
and some time later he complained about sera rng being bullshit
it wasn't me in his screenshot but still, I will cherish the thought that I contributed to making an LoR champion salt tweet
muted olive
did any of the previous set champs get better
Kayn only probs. Need freljord darkin to see if Ornn becomes relevant. Vayne I think has a lot of promise. Her kit is compact & synergistic while her spell (Tumble) is v strong imo
Esp w scout units. Get 3 attacks on turns where u start w attack token
night nova
tumble on a scout lets you get a free attack token
muted olive
Might first thought was Kai'Sa but Kai'Sa requires too many setup pieces for keywords
night nova
yeah you can just kill 'em
zed/vayne and rumble/vayne doing well
because you just tumble those over and over
tumble on a quick attack unit is just bonkers
also, being able to tumble a stunned unit is rude
gotta stun after they tumble, which lets vayne level fast
muted olive
Tumble being generated every round start is what makes her good imo
I thought it was like riven, your attack rounds only
muted olive
I wonder if there's a more spell-heavy shell you can work with here 
Really like the 1-mana Demacia card
That destroys equipment silences follower
night nova
speaking of vayne
thermo fucking MVP, killed vayne turn 3 and only gave them 1 free atk
thermo is the key to this matchup
night nova
sitting on a 54% wr after 31 games of ez sera
not impressive or anything, but I keep making game-ending mistakes so it's k
my worst matchups so far are vayne variants and the mirror, kinda just steamroll everything else
muted olive
Gwen Vayne looking kinda nice @grave zodiac
grave zodiac
Yeah I might try it
muted olive
That new landmark better than I thought
Btw
The Gwen one
I wanna try something w the darkin landmark now too
Imagine round 5 taarosh monkaS
night nova
playing PoC on ladder is pretty strong
grave zodiac
Gwen Vayne looking kinda nice <@121831661284360192>
which is better though, the variant with equips or without
it's like split 1-3 on runeterra ar
with the 3 being without equips
grave zodiac
no I meant like gwen vayne with/without equips
night nova
I got that
grave zodiac
all the lists I'm looking at aren't playing any equips
which is just weird since vayne doesnt do anything then?
night nova
aegis is nuts
nah, vayne makes gwen go face over and over
the equips are just nice bonuses, the real strength of vayne is how she interacts with shit like big quick attack units
there's no need for equips for vayne to be good, only for a good tumble target
that being said, aegis is p pog as both an equip and a unit
grave zodiac
aegis is quite nut yeah
grave zodiac
can tumble target units without equips in hand?
night nova
yes
night nova
yep yep
every turn
that's vayne's strength
she makes your boss monster go face over and over and over
while she sits on her fat badgebear-sized ass all day and doesn't ever swing
rumble works amazingly with that strat
zed does, too, apparently
gwen too
any good quick attack unit works fine
esp if you can get overwhelm on it, or make it do two attacks, or give it scout
you get the picture
grave zodiac
also yeah, vayne is a lot better than I thought then
night nova
she's probs the best champ this expo
and she has to compete with 2 mana karma that flips before turn 10
night nova
6 of the 10 most played decks are vayne variants btw
grave zodiac
believable now lol
also the fanclub sack ahhhhhhhhh
I've mostly been playing vs seraphine vik
night nova
I mostly play sera so
yeah, best way to win the vayne matchup is to thermo the first vayne and then highroll your fanclubs
or just highroll fanclub and hope they don't open double rumble vayne great hammer
vayne absolutely destroys sera if the sera player isn't lucky
grave zodiac
and the barkeep card
gilded pike
which is better though, the variant with equips or without
supposedly without equips has higher winrate iirc
grave zodiac
makes it so fucking hard to keep track of what's in hand
gilded pike
it's impossible lul, too much rng
night nova
yeah, the deck is all 1-ofs and rng
gilded pike
the least they could do is restrict it to the player's regions
night nova
mmmmyes give me consistent 0 mana copies of deep med
4 mana 2/2 draw 2 spells that gets doubled by sera
wait nvm I have pz cards too
so more consistent deep med
ez sera noxus has a positive vayne matchup
grave zodiac
I've lost to viktor sera 3 times in a row
not sure what I'm doing wrong but I feel like it's so sacky
night nova
its wincon is generated cards
deck is listed as an even matchup
try slapping vayne into gwen and smorcing them
the deck struggles with rallyspam
grave zodiac
no idea
I either die to that
or try to go wide
and get hit with double hextetch crystal
night nova
open the nuts in the mirror
play so-so, still win
"Expertly done" says vayne
thanks vayne
muted olive
which is better though, the variant with equips or without
Def with
play improvise units or darkins
Maybe both
night nova
drew 0 rumble in the mirror, still won
swung like 15 billion times with that one ruined reckoner
also beat pirate swain going rearguard warden MF curve
night nova
grave zodiac
lol
slim jacinth
Disgusting
night nova
reminds me, I should try refining my sera list again
been playing so much vayne I forgot
night nova
one win away from diamond, but I don't want to to rank up
there's only 34 masters players, meaning all the good players are probably in diamond
muted olive
you don't become the best w/o playing against the best
night nova
but I don't want to be the best I want to tumble teemo
muted olive
night nova
teemo demacia was my first masters deck back in season of plunder
tho that was mostly because everyone was on TWE so I ran 3 silence in the main deck and ran pre-nerf unyielding with radiant guardian
or was that already post-nerf unyielding? idr, it still farmed twe for days.
my main losses were when I tried to unyielding teemo, which happened often enough
night nova
@slim jacinth I dealt 20 damage with 3 mana in one turn
grave zodiac
What cloned Ez
grave zodiac
Ah
night nova
they killed ez while I had sera on board so I just
grave zodiac
Lol
night nova
boop
night nova
yes
they generated that 7 mana pz pseudo-aoe and killed ez
so I brought two back instantly
this game was just an rng fest
and I'm gamer
got a 1 mana deny, too
the last game I generated 2 slow spells off sputtering, so it balances out ig
and the game before I drew 0 sera and 2 ezreal vs vayne gwen, after they drew 2 vayne, a gwen, and the landmark
oh and they had double sharpsight
sometimes you're the fish, sometimes you're the bait 
grave zodiac
@muted olive riot finally finished a custom splash art of me. I sent in a picture of me in elementary school as the basis
night nova
big guy
the way his weapons look, he looks like a jacked draven
draven but fucking SWOLE
night nova
drew 0 ezreal all game
night nova
made it to diamond after killing a Fiora Panth player from 19 health in one turn
I was hoping to lose this, ngl, but that's not how it panned out I know I could have conceded but it was a fun game
they didn't draw turn 1 Saga Seeker, they need to improve at the deck
night nova
@slim jacinth another burst speed otk because I know you love those
game was too close, would have died if I didn't draw songspinner off the doubled deep med or topdecked it
I'll stop spamming with these, this deck is just too funny tho
slim jacinth
night nova
opps actually doing p good on swain aggro
58% wr
they played p smart, but they missed one attack turn with levi
because I generated 2 5/2 ephemerals
I think they were worried about me killing it
grave zodiac
add me btw @night nova Oviraptor NA1
night nova
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night nova
you can, but you can't play cross-shard matches anymore
wait, looking it up
it says you CAN, you just can't spectate
idk
nvm, it says can't
idk what is more up to date tho
yeah, as of august 2022 you can't 
gilded pike
it should've been much earlier than that actually
night nova
yeah, it was earlier, but the most recent post I've found on their support page is from then
muted olive
<@181089711509602305> riot finally finished a custom splash art of me. I sent in...
damn bro. how much did they pay you to receive the honor of translating you into the game?
grave zodiac
$40, the same amount they pay their voice actors bro
muted olive
my boi getting juiced 
night nova
opponent managed to generate a 5 damage weapon, get me to 1 health, and generated multiple card draws throughout the game
and still lost because I rnged into 2 0 mana mystic shots for exact lethal
I hate ez/sera mirrors
night nova
so, I managed to beat the new adventure with a 2* level 17 teemo and get an S
final boss ended up with 39380 shrooms in deck and took 1216 damage off one card (exact numbers, I can post screenshots but they're spoilers)
was a pretty hard run, but Teemo is just really good at what he does unless the enemy has a large elusive unit, and then you got to work around it
slim jacinth
Unfortunately
It looks like Ez/Sera is the best deck, and highly problematic
Riot just needs to take the L and rework Ezreal entirely already
muted olive
Maybe not print a mini-Karma that turns on way faster w her own card generation package for pnz
gilded pike
nah even before ez variant was truly fleshed out a lot of people called sera the best champ, she needs to be nerfed a bit too
ezreal is a massive problem, but sera and her support are too
slim jacinth
Eh
Like the other best version was Sera/Viktor
Which was good, but its not even as good as the Vayne decks
But Sera/Ez is completely dominating those Vayne decks and everyone else
Maybe after some nerfs she might be a problem, but rn Ezreal is a clear outlier
gilded pike
sera viktor si is still a powerhouse
slim jacinth
Seems to be good, but within normal levels
night nova
disagree with you there
sera and vayne have the same issue of being overstatted units that leave you ahead on cards once they are removed
but sera on her own is a wincon, as well as being something that supports other wincons
while vayne is just a piece of a puzzle
as for sera victor, deck is nuts, it's just hard to pilot
vayne is piss easy to play and already it's falling in terms of popularity
all 3 of the champs this set are REALLY strong, but it's p clear sera>the other two
main advantage of ez over victor is giving you a clear wincon and letting you otk the victor variants once they outvalue you
but you win p much the same way as victor or as ez vs vayne, and the vic variants have the advantage of big chonker vic to help fight for board, vs super flimsy ez which dies for free to sharpsight/single combat.
anyways, I'd nerf sera and co. and just rotate ez out because he's a mess whenever he is good
probs hit vayne too
turn 3 vayne into turn 4 rumble tumble weapon is just fucking oppressive
gilded pike
for some reason ez/sera is actually weak to viktor/sera
night nova
quietus
quietus solos the matchup sooooo hard
sera ez beats every other sera variant not named SI afaik
sera victor generally outvalues, but sera ez can otk p easily UNLESS you quietus each champ they play as soon as they do
gilded pike
supposedly the bandle variant is even worse according to runeterra.ar lol
not sure why at all though
night nova
minimorph ig
all they have to do is keep 6 (or 5 or less, depending on how many bars they have) and the opponent has to play a game of chicken
you play your wincon? 3/3. You don't? you die lol
norra/heimer is hell because of this, but they don't have the broken sera cards that you do
sera's package just generates so much value
why does bar summon a 3/3, add a card to your hand, AND give you a mana discount on nearly everything
why does president do such bullshit
gilded pike
lmao why does she indeed xd
slim jacinth
for some reason ez/sera is actually weak to viktor/sera
Pretty much the main reason Sera/Viktor sees play rn
Outside of exactly that, Sera/Ez is just way better
I think something like the top 6 players on ladder are all on Sera/Ez rn
The others are on Vayne
gilded pike
idk I'm playing sera/viktor/vi rn and it's actually really damn good as a standalone deck
slim jacinth
I believe it, but it is mainly being picked to beat Ez/Sera, otherwise its matchup spread is just ... worse
Still good
Just not broken good
night nova
lmao why does she indeed xd
ok but why shellfolk
gilded pike
dank predict and prank value
this is prank sera viktor, decided to try it after seeing it randomly have like a 65% wr or something vs ez sera noxus
sorry 63% 
night nova
yeah you outvalue them like crazy
after playing sera/ez, gassing out vs vic variants is a problem
you wind up struggling to find the gas to otk them while they keep generating answers/threats
but is shellfolk even needed for the value?
well, if overwhelming value is your wincon, and you can just plop it without getting punished, go for it ig
gilded pike
oh also works with sputtering songwhatever
but yeah idk I've always been on the fence about this card, mostly just trying this list out lol. it's been working pretty decently so far
night nova
songspinner
double songspinner is gross
songspinner with ez and sera is just
you die
gilded pike
ye I bet
grave zodiac
sera is disgusting ngl
night nova
sera does everything in one card
good blocker vs aggro, value generation vs control, wincon
you kill her? cool you're still down 1 card compared to the sera player
you try to kill the sera player fast? good luck getting past that T H I C C blocker before it turns into a value-printing machine
and that's only one card. Fanclub, bar and drum solo are insane cards, too
Sera's main downside is that her decks are not easy to play, but even Wezl Brain can play it
gilded pike
christ this deck is bullshit lmao
under the surrender is a concerted strike generated off fanclub president that got duplicated by seraphine to strike through spellshield
night nova
classic seraphine gameplay
it's just hearthstone.dek but good
looking forward to sera getting nerfed so she becomes the second best deck, and for tournaments to be decided by who generates more bullshit in the mirror
gilded pike
yep cock
gilded pike
looking forward to sera getting nerfed so she becomes the second best deck, and ...
they're gonna have to bump up her level up by 2 spells I feel like
and then she can turn into the next ezreal
night nova
yep cock
her problem isn't just how fast she levels tho
sure, turn 6 karma 2 is broken as fuck
but turn 10 karma is also nuts if you can make it that far
and the Sera package lets you make it that far
esp since she's such a good unit pre-level, too
there's no aspect she is bad at, as far as I can tell
she gets smacked by big units, but that weakness vanishes once she levels
and fanclub rng can p easily keep you alive until she does
gilded pike
idk I feel like I've picked up quite a few games from getting insane double spell value in the mid game tbh
fanclub president nerf is a must but sera herself I think either needs that or even just a health reduction
night nova
sera not being a viable blocker anymore will help
killing her is p damn hard in the mirror outside of SI or Nox
and even Nox needs to go mega neg to kill her
SI just gets to quietus and eat a small neg and get a mana advantage
night nova
mmm yes I love losing to decks in the mull phase
and then you run into azirelia playing a sej deck and just faceroll them
night nova
Generated 2 gift of the hearthblood off fanclubs and then generated 7 more fanclubs vs another sera deck
Why does this archetype do this
I'm just playing hearthstone but with mana discounts and the ability to play on my opponent's turn
night nova
Finally completed all 5 regions on the new hardest adventure
night nova
Jhin would have been the best choice for the Runeterra champ since he's burn/stuns rather than pure stats. Midrange stat champs have a hard time vs this adventure.
But most opponents have low health totals, so you should be able to mystic shot their face just fine
night nova
Got masters with Sera/Ez Noxus
Best deck in the game is good, who knew
Now what do I play, Teemo Sera or Teemo Vayne
muted olive
teemo zoe horazi
night nova
They had the single combat, but doggy punished
This deck will just wind up being teemo lux 2.0 where teemo was just an excuse to run good region cards and activate radiant guardian by forcing my opponent to waste removal on a 1 drop. I run Teemo and Pup as my only puffcap cards, and the improv one as my only other bandle card iirc
Only here he activates doggy
I do feel bad denying a panth/vayne player masters using teemo/vayne tho. That's a giga tilter.
Dude got soloed by Puffcap Pup
They just scooped
night nova
On Teemo Sera now and the deck feels much more real
Eclectic Collection is a good wincon in the sera mirrors, and peddler/chump synnergize well with the sera stuff
My ratios are dogshit tho, need to fix those
night nova
Also out-mushroomed a Teemo Cait deck with just Sera and Pedler
Imagine dedicating every single card in your deck to one strategy and then facing another deck that just does it better without trying
They even ran Clump and Cloud in their deck, and they drew 2 pedler 2 teemo 2 clump, and my mushroom count was still higher
night nova
Ok teemo sera is real, I just need to find a way to fit in 2-3 minimorphs and some copies of ferros financer without removing wallop 
gilded pike
grave zodiac
gwen buff......?
gilded pike
¯_(ツ)_/¯
night nova
peeps thought it was going to be the top dog after sera and vayne got killed
night nova
yeah surprising
nah, sera was swapping off to viktor mostly
with sera nerf, she will probs be forced to play slower
meaning vic is the way to go
slim jacinth
For one, a lot of that comes down to people hardteching for sera ez
Also, he is not just a balance issue, he is a huge design issue
slim jacinth
I worry this means they'll just rozate him and confirm rotation is being used as a way to delete cards while technically not deleting cards
night nova
and I doubt others will rise
slim jacinth
Which frankly spells the games doom
night nova
does a banlist spell doom for the game
didn't spell for ygo
if anything, it helped
hearthstone didn't suffer from the HoF either
I can't think of a game that suffered from having a banlist
hearthstone has both actual rotation and a balance rotation
mtg has both rotation and a banlist
pokemon has that
slim jacinth
Since rotation
Like the total loss since that year and now is 96%
Ygo is a physical card game, there is not exactly an alternative
night nova
slim jacinth
Oh and Duelyst died nearly instantly after implementing rotation
It was so bad they undid it like a month later, but the damage was done
night nova
well then
slim jacinth
Thankfully the reboot guys confirmed they're not doing rotation
gilded pike
there's no real point in a banlist when you can kneecap a card so hard with nerfs that it's effectively banned anyways
or rework it to be a whole new card
night nova
Yeah, ez as he is can't afford to be good
Just bombard him from orbit and make him cost 9
Celestial Impact probably going to 6
Which makes me want to try Targon hard control again
gilded pike
I feel like they'll remove the landmark removal if they do that
6 mana is the same as vengeance and I feel like targon isn't meant to have amazing removal outside of invoking it
slim jacinth
Ezreal needs a rework, but until then
Yeah, nerf him into a state you can be sure is not problematic
night nova
Targon has sunburst
Which is insanely good removal
6 mana deal 6 that ignores buffs and most keywords
Idr what else it has... Hush?
Hush kinda nuts
Targon has very few removal spells, but what they have is insanely good
They had the best landmark removal spell
Hmm, targon also has skies
slim jacinth
The best removal in Ultra Rapid Draw