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knotty ferry
sleek ferry
[[archdruid’s charm]]
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glad peak
Did it do your taxes
sleek ferry
Snakeskin veil?
inland folio
[[snakeskin veil]]
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glad peak
Also why does green, the color of ramp, get so many super cheap options 
inland folio
[[bushwack]]
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inland folio
this is fighting
sleek ferry
The most underrated 1 mana green spell is [[seismic sense]]
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knotty ferry
[[royal treatment]]
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Instant
Target creature you control gains hexproof until end of turn. Create a Royal Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward 
.)
"Stay your blades, peasants."
knotty ferry
here
sleek ferry
Oh yeah royal treatment is nice
sleek ferry
We used to use royal treatment with little red riding hood
inland folio
like why is snakeskin more heavily played
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inland folio
[[snakeskin veil]] [[royal treatment]]
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Instant
Target creature you control gains hexproof until end of turn. Create a Royal Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward .)
"Stay your blades, peasants."
sleek ferry
whos little red riding hood
[[ruby, daring tracker]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Scout
Haste (This creature can attack and 
as soon as it comes under your control.)
Whenever Ruby attacks while you control a creature with power 4 or greater, Ruby gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
: Add 
or 
.
Neither the sharpest thorns nor the foulest beasts would stop her from finding her brother.
1/2
knotty ferry
interesting...
knotty ferry
is having a counter more important?
it can be for the robot
forgot the name
dryadawoerhfoshfoidhfoiawhfd something
X green white
inland folio
im ngl i had to read the robot like 5 times
knotty ferry
removes counters on attack dec to make tokens and draw
inland folio
to understand why it was good
knotty ferry
fucking broken ass card
inland folio
and then i realized it draws
and was like "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"
then wondered to myself again
why does every green card do 9 things and cost 1 mana
sleek ferry
[[dyadrine synthesis]]
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knotty ferry
yep
him
green can draw so many cards now
like thugs's favorite card, jack and the beanstalk
sleek ferry
You would have loved playing with up the beanstalk
inland folio
has anyone tried selesyna rhythm
sleek ferry
Genuinely one of my favorite metas of all time
knotty ferry
You would have loved playing with up the beanstalk
what about your boy nadu
sleek ferry
Nah
sleek ferry
has anyone tried selesyna rhythm
What about it
inland folio
im just asking if it exists
sleek ferry
I’ve played 3-4c rhythm, it’s a fine deck
inland folio
whats the third and fourth color
sleek ferry
Everything but black
inland folio
what is red doing for us exactly
sleek ferry
what is red doing for us exactly
Nothing, it just counts [[spider manifestation]] as a red card
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Creature — Spider Avatar
Reach
: Add or .
Whenever you cast a spell with mana value 4 or greater, untap this creature.
Some spiders feed on other spiders.
2/2
sleek ferry
For removal + dyadrine
knotty ferry
What's sultai control
sleek ferry
Probably a build that uses [[rakshasas bargain]]
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inland folio
crazy stockup powercreeps this while being monocolored
(unless u want the cards in gy)
sleek ferry
Rakshasa’s is better than stock up as a card
It’s just more narrow due to its colors
Turns out that instant speed + fueling your gy matters
X
10 year old at a big event is crazy
glad peak
Eh that elves girl did it earlier
Last I saw her in person she was fairly washed because she was still playing elves in a hostile meta
It didn’t help that I contributed to the hostile metagame
sleek ferry
Look at the swamp I got as a throw in in a trade
trail anvil
tfw 5 abilities on a 2 mana 3/2 and just completely irrelevant
tardy echo
crazy stockup powercreeps this while being monocolored
GY vs deck and instant is a massive massive deal
If this was monocolored it would probably be better than stock up
tardy echo
What's sultai control
It’s sort of existed for a long time but it’s kind of mid, it’s basically just dimir control that plays a few green cards for stuff like [[malestrom pulse]]
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tardy echo
Sometimes it’ll play dragon cards for stuff like dispelling/caustic exhale and I’m assuming post sos it’s because dellian fel is a really good card
sleek ferry
Extremely fun matchup
knotty ferry
maduin...terra-chan...
inland folio
[[esper origins]]
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Sorcery
Surveil 2. You gain 2 life. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, exile it, then put it onto the battlefield transformed under its owner's control with a finality counter on it. (If a creature with a finality counter on it would die, exile it instead.)
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Summon: Esper Maduin
Enchantment Creature — Saga Elemental
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a permanent card, put it into your hand.
II — Add .
III — Other creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.
"I've chosen a name for her . . . Terra."
4/4
inland folio
they should mak emore cards like this
inland folio
This kid loves green cards
i just think esper origins is nicely designed son calm down
mosswood dreadnight is also a cool card....
atomic harness
https://x.com/IsabellaRobinX/status/2052817343315574814?s=20
Don't forget llanowar elves son
tardy echo
Holy you’re trying to make green completely unplayable 
tardy echo
mosswood dreadnight is also a cool card....
Do u… just like green cards with flashback
knotty ferry
Don't forget llanowar elves son
Bro I had to face llanowar elves and cub for like 5 games today bro
That's too much for a guy like me
inland folio
Do u… just like green cards with flashback
flashback and escape are pretty good mechanics bro
so is harmonize
just dont put them on cards with the type "elder giant" and youll be fine
no diddy
i was thinking about theoretical mtg cards tho earlier and it was green black with flashback
so u might be right regardless
tardy echo
flashback and escape are pretty good mechanics bro
I agree but it’s crazy that that’s your bar
[[gnaw to the bone]] is this hype to you
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Instant
You gain 2 life for each creature card in your graveyard.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
tardy echo
Or [[increasing savagery]]
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Sorcery
Put five +1/+1 counters on target creature. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, put ten +1/+1 counters on that creature instead.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
tardy echo
(This card is actually a little hype to me)
sleek ferry
What’s the one green card that’s a counter to lotv
4/4 that summons itself when discarded
And gains you 4 life
On etb
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Creature — Elf Knight
(
can be paid with either or 
.)
Other green creatures you control get +1/+1.
Other white creatures you control get +1/+1.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard this card, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
4/4
tardy echo
And gains you 4 life
[[obstinate baloth]]
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trail anvil
baloth was meta tbh, in a bunch of sideboards
trail anvil
tbh I didn't know that increasing was a cycle, just knew increasing devotion and increasing ambition
glad peak
As much damage commander has done to the playerbase, I do admit that the mascot-ification of the game and decks is pretty cool
It’s just a shame there’s no competitive 1v1 non-singleton way to play a game with the command zone
tardy echo
But calling increasing savagery hype and gnaw to the bone not is sus <:dubismile...
wtf is hype about gnaw
I have 75 life gg wow so hype
subtle sierra
the card is named gnaw the bone, what's not to hype
tardy echo
I think it’s a fun card to play but there’s nothing exciting about resolving it
glad peak
What’s hype about 1/1 counters
Gnaw wins you close games where the opponent has high but limited firepower 
Aggro, anyone?
subtle sierra
i will kill whoever programmed the auto tapper on arena
trail anvil
It is me, you will never be able to find me lmao
banned tbh
past socket
#worth
lusty trench
If theres anything good to come out of the one ring plagiarism it's that other artists are making their own
subtle sierra
LMAO i misplayed cause i didn't see i have enough mana but the guy scooped anyway
inland folio
revelation bouncing lands can lowk be aids in the mirror
subtle sierra
No why would you
inland folio
No why would you
dies to everything
subtle sierra
Define everything
inland folio
the 4 mana spell, most counterspells
and then theres a lot of weird techs ive seen people play
that happen to kill it
subtle sierra
Ok and? They used their counter spell on lute and not rev, and not every build is on defeat
Lute is arguably even more important into mirror
It's literally the only matchup where casting two revs a turn over one matters to the point it might win the game
Late control games are defined by who resolves more revs and the best answer to a uncounterable rev is an uncounterable rev
inland folio
yeah ive just always seen it killed on sight, so it felt like passing the turn a lot of the time
inland folio
and i cant hold counters for rev since people are playing 2-3 of that blue tarkir land
inland folio
maybe im just playing vs psychopaths
trail anvil
you saw 3 hit the battlefield in one game?
inland folio
also followup question, in matchups where you side in rest in piece, are you siding out flashbacks
subtle sierra
I haven't played enough with running both yet to say
inland folio
you saw 3 hit the battlefield in one game?
i saw 2 hit the battlefield and one get discarded
subtle sierra
Sounds like yes but idk
inland folio
It's literally the only matchup where casting two revs a turn over one matters t...
i do see what ur talking abt tho since ive won a couple games where i have lute and like 8 lands, and do an uncounterable critique for like 14
i might play 2 critique ngl
card feels nice
subtle sierra
I'm on 4
I play it over stock up
Fuck stock up
There's just too many things to ping rn not to
I kill ppl with it even without a lute build
inland folio
i mean vs any non blue deck, its a really really good manasink in the lategame
even vs blue its fine if u make it uncounterable
subtle sierra
Yeah, i just run it as a draw spell that is randomly a win con
Note randomly = almost every game
I've returned to the opinion that it's the best card from sos
subtle sierra
I didn't think of a card i just realized i was a bit high on critique
I am simply high on critique again
inland folio
its a pretty good card
my favorite is either greeen emeritus or flashback
green emeritus puts in work
subtle sierra
Realistically i think the strongest sos card is probably flow state but it could also be that the strongest decks run it rn
inland folio
i definitely think its strong but its definitely not a card you could just put in every deck
subtle sierra
Second is probably prismari charm simply just cause how fucking good all 3 modes are
inland folio
all 5 charms are pretty nice
i like the simic one a lot
thats the one im highest on
subtle sierra
Wdym 3
inland folio
i forgot silverquill exists
subtle sierra
It's kinda hard to say which ones when there's 5
inland folio
ok which other one did i forget
subtle sierra
There's 5 colleges
Silverquil lorehold prismari witherbloom and quandrix
I wonder if we get 5 more charms from reality fracture
subtle sierra
Wotc give me azorius charm that is nml replacement post rotation
inland folio
[[lorehold charm]]
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inland folio
Wotc give me azorius charm that is nml replacement post rotation
quandrix charm is already kinda this tho
[[quandrix charm]]
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Instant
Choose one —
• Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Target creature has base power and toughness 5/5 until end of turn.
inland folio
you think theyll repeat the counter effect?
subtle sierra
Quandrix isn't azorius colors
inland folio
yeah i know
subtle sierra
It being simic is ass
inland folio
what would the ohter 2 effects even be
on azorious
we already have bouncing on the izzet one
subtle sierra
As a control color the only unique thing green brings is ramp
inland folio
[[silverquill charm]]
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inland folio
this does the exiling thing of white
subtle sierra
Uhh probably counter investigate and idk destroy creature replace it very unfavorably?
Like not on a get lost level but maybe similar to the 2 mana replace creature with a bird like
inland folio
counter, make a 2/2 with vigilance or flying or just make a healers hawk, exile nonland permanent with cmc 1 or less
idfk
could also make the strictly blue mode scry 3 draw 1
subtle sierra
Azorius wouldn't really remove a creature without replacement even with a restriction probably
Unless the removal is a bounce
inland folio
instead of making a token
subtle sierra
White doesn't remove without replacement or a balanced removal that hits both
And blue is bounces and shuffles
Silverquil only really exiles cause it's also black
inland folio
shuffle this card and target card to top of library
subtle sierra
Self recycling would be insane
inland folio
the only other thing i can think of is being a termporary blink
exile target card until its controllers next end step
subtle sierra
Blinking could make sense
inland folio
but then itd be quantum diddler bait
subtle sierra
We already got a better one in daydream
inland folio
i mean yeah but if its also a counter youd justify playing multiples regardless
blink, ponder, counterspell
i think a lot of decks would run multiples
[[ponder]]
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inland folio
blink, ponder, counterspell
especially in a blink deck
@tardy echo since i fell asleep mid convo yday, i think one of the cooler cards i saw was this green card that summons a 6/6 wurm, and then the flashback cost is cheaper than casting it from hand
knotty ferry
Btw
Yesterday
I learned
Superior spider man copies anything in any gy
I chained soul guide lantern to it
And this guy entered and copied my deep cavern bat
A 4/4 deep cavern bat is the scariest shit ever
My boy Kavaero would never...
subtle sierra
Superior spider man copies anything in any gy
reanimator vs elemental matchup is fucking hilarious
tardy echo
Superior spider man copies anything in any gy
This is why the mirror is legit unplayable
Siding for it is so ass
You legit just have to play deceit turbo and ignore the rest of your deck
knotty ferry
Chain? What is this
Sorry, I'll tap soul guide lantern in response to your superior spider man so that it goes on the stack 🤓
fallow citrus
Holy shit bro people fucking hate UB
online anyway it's very divisive
inland folio
This is why the mirror is legit unplayable
this is why i legit side out all my ardyns and bringers
ardyn especially is the number 1 lose condition in the mirror
[[northwind avatar]]
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inland folio
is this ever worth playing in jeskai control
fallow citrus
I don't see like anybody playing this so I'd say probably not
fallow citrus
wish effects are never terrible
and means you can just add some niche pieces against anything you're playing
inland folio
thats why i was considering it
it costs 2 more than actual wish, but its also a 5/5 flyer and theres no restriction on when i can play the card i add
turn 5 play avatar turn 6 play ideation draw 3
gg duelist
subtle sierra
I don't see like anybody playing this so I'd say probably not
i was played a lot pre sos
post sos there's no reason
it's still funny if you're playing capstone but otherwise that build needs too many moving parts
inland folio
[[emeritus of truce]]
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Creature — Cat Cleric
When this creature enters, target player creates a 1/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying. Then if an opponent controls more creatures than you, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
3/3
Swords to Plowshares
Instant
Exile target creature. Its controller gains life equal to its power.
knotty ferry
Plows and Shareholders the 🐐
inland folio
we take fucking private equity seriously around here
fallow citrus
https://fxtwitter.com/playmtg/status/2053222124660179176?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRY...
happy to see allies again
sleek ferry
trail anvil
damn sage of the skies?
sleek ferry
@subtle sierra https://fxtwitter.com/playmtg/status/2053271098171527262?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
#TabletTruthers
I really want to play Abzan bats, but I got no wild cards left sigh
sleek ferry
trail anvil
yeah that makes sense
fallow citrus
Saw this deck a week or so ago it sounds sick
knotty ferry
Btw
There was a guy at my store championship that made top 32 at the pro tour @sleek ferry
I forgot to get their name
sleek ferry
There was a guy at my store championship that made top 32 at the pro tour <@3043...
Did he win?
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knotty ferry
Holy, thugs
twilit canyon
genuinely a played card cus dredge 4 is that good
tardy echo
Every dredge card is like that
Unplayable dogshit but broken because of how insane the mechanic is
Life from the loam is the exception that cards goated
twilit canyon
yeah
i have sadly had to cast golgari thug once and i felt disgusted
truly and utterly
worst feeling of my life
glad peak
Nahhh stinkweed isnt that awful
tardy echo
Stinkweed is a 3 mana 1/2 flyer
trail anvil
Life from the loam is the exception that cards goated
life from the loam my beloved
genuinely perfect no notes
atomic harness
life from the loam my beloved
My goat
how do we feel about my goats ichorid bridge from below vengevine
@tardy echo @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
if i speak...
atomic harness
[[ichorid]]
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tardy echo
how do we feel about my goats ichorid bridge from below vengevine
You like hate crimes so I know how you feel about dredge
I don’t want to share my opinions on that deck because I fear the kids don’t know ball
glad peak
Stinkweed is a 3 mana 1/2 flyer <:icant:1310294700384714813>
You say kids don’t know ball and think stinkweed imp is just this
atomic harness
What's wrong with that cake
tardy echo
My bad he’s a 3 mana 1/2 flyer with deathtouch
tardy echo
Holy you watched the cardmarket video
atomic harness
glad peak
Deathtouch matters here
tardy echo
If you have to spend mana on stinkweed you’re probably losing bro
Jk that’s an overstatement but
glad peak
Bro has never played pauper
Hardcast Stinkweed is how you stabilize in so many matchups because they can’t just recklessly attack or they give you a dredge 5
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Pauper gave me some mad respect for the tapping a thing for coloured mana lands
Like [[Holdout Settlement]]
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Land
: Add 
. ( represents colorless mana.)
, Tap an untapped creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
Even in areas of profound devastation, the hedrons remained intact.
atomic harness
Sigh little mudkip my favorite content creator on etali is losing to the blueslop decks
bc he's flipping into dizzy spell and not actual good cards
It's over...
[[dizzy spell]]
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Instant
Target creature gets -3/-0 until end of turn.
Transmute 
(, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)
glad peak
Imagine playing etali and thinking you’ll win
past socket
Sometimes you do just whiff on the gamba ad an Etali player
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Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell.
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)
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Transmute be transmutin’
glad peak
It’s just transmute
That’s all that card is
If you’re happy with a 3 mana tutor then go for it
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Still has the best utility of them but yeah
copper pecan
it's wild that they made a whole mechanic that was tutoring
glad peak
Nah twest is the best one
copper pecan
they would never do that nowadays
atomic harness
Thank you saltdust
glad peak
Imagine nausing without protection into tons of open mana
atomic harness
Sigh he had rograkh fierce kid
keep up
@twilit canyon @tardy echo how do we feel about my actual goats treasure cruise and dig through time and murktide regent
delve...
glad peak
Then what’s muddle trying to counter naus for
atomic harness
It's okay player 3 will back me up
glad peak
Regent my beloved fraud 
atomic harness
Regent sucks nowadays yeah 
though I saw a list playing 1 copy
The mengu one I think
twilit canyon
<@480437470870110209> <@364939622343507988> how do we feel about my actual goats...
i like cruise and regent
glad peak
Still unkillable in a fair matchup but it still doesn’t matter 
twilit canyon
dig is washed tho
tardy echo
Bro has never played pauper <:clearly:1247706297491656795>
Yeah bro because that’s the context where we’re talking about dredge cards
twilit canyon
we are in the era of flow state
glad peak
Youve never seen dredge in pauper? 
atomic harness
i like cruise and regent
Ye cruise is the goat
glad peak
Now I know you don’t know ball
glad peak
I’ll unban all your furries
tardy echo
Just like a commander player to always assume I’m talking about your format though…
tardy echo
<@480437470870110209> <@364939622343507988> how do we feel about my actual goats...
Holy you need to be put in an asylum
Your goats are dredge and delve
Is there a healthy mechanic that you like
glad peak
If we’re talking about mechanics then all formats are game
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Legendary Artifact
Metalcraft — : Add one mana of any color. Activate only if you control three or more artifacts.
The suns of Mirrodin have shone upon perfection only once.
glad peak
This kid will hate on delve and dredge until you bring up good green cards because he a green guy
atomic harness
I miss ketramose
tardy echo
Anyways I don’t speak about power level of cards as it pertains to pauper
atomic harness
lasted for 5 minutes lookin ass
tardy echo
Because pauper power level is Mickey Mouse looney tunes shit
glad peak
You can still play ketramose
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Land
: Add .
: This land becomes a 1/1 Phyrexian Blinkmoth artifact creature with flying and infect until end of turn. It's still a land. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
atomic harness
glad peak
Bad in every format currently
tardy echo
Holy why do you literally just like all the most aids mechanics
You do NOT want to play mtg with your fellow wizards
glad peak
If you lose to infect in 2026 then you deserve to lose
tardy echo
Affinity for anything else is far more tolerable btw
glad peak
Yeah affinity’s kinda lame
glad peak
Connive is pretty cool ngl
tardy echo
My favorite mechanic is flashback gg
glad peak
Shredder being good was fun
glad peak
I like flashback because of burning vengeance 
Legacy rn’s Mickey Mouse land
Boros energy was not just doing well, it was dominating
twilit canyon
Wait ppl are playing aluren in legacy again
its pure cope
atomic harness
Thank you misty
sleek ferry
Holy, this man has like 100k commander deck he just plays with https://youtube.com/shorts/IbHMrr55g64?si=pD3JDXEogIdP8XnQ
atomic harness
I have another good mechanic but cake is a day 1 hater
Phyrexian Mana
Git Probe... gut shot... mental misstep... surgical extraction
dismember, birthing pod
glad peak
Bro thought that was a cedh deck then got crushed so hard he scaled it back to 4++
atomic harness
He was troll in the play to win video yeah
glad peak
He won’t admit it till he gets crushed by other 4s
sleek ferry
High key, some high 3s might crush him
atomic harness
Our 3s would, word me little thuggleton
I dont know about @stark skiff 's 3 though
sleek ferry
REN’s little urza deck would crush him
atomic harness
Raffine deck that one is better and has interaction 
sleek ferry
My hazel would crush him yeah, I just added a bunch of infinites and like 4 different entombs
atomic harness
Adam is too busy casting the soul stone and looking at his anime llanowar elves
man has no interaction 
@knotty ferry would pull up with turn 1 dream beavers hold up snuff out
glad peak
I just bought the hazel precon because friends keep complaining I crush their 4s with their own precons
atomic harness
sleek ferry
I just bought the hazel precon because friends keep complaining I crush their 4s...
High key, a top 3 precon for me
glad peak
Game 1 I saw in half my academy manufactor and play all the food cards
atomic harness
Sigh mudkip can you teach me how to play arcum danksson
atomic harness
do you actually win once you poop out GPS
glad peak
Not explicitly but you may as well have
atomic harness
glad peak
From there get any of your 2 card Infinites to draw your deck and gain infinite mana
Then ballista for whatever
Easy
He’s good into Midrange hell decks
tardy echo
its pure cope
I’m sure it is
It’s just funny that of all the whack ass combo decks ppl wanna make work it’s that one
Just play premodern or something if you wanna aluren bro
glad peak
Can we get a resurgence of food chain in legacy
Griffin is literally a free fow i promise bro
sleek ferry
I might enter my locals commander box league
glad peak
I wouldn’t do that unless you’re comfortable into turbo cedh pods ngl
Depending on your area
Because even if people don’t play explicitly cedh decks, they’ll likely be running decks that try to go the speed of a turbo deck
sleek ferry
I mean, hard to do a full Cedh build off 1 booster box every 2 months
glad peak
Oh that’s what you mean
sleek ferry
Yeah
glad peak
Here we call that slo gro
Well, you can get very close to cedh with sos boxes if you get lucky with the archives
sleek ferry
Iirc for my locals box league you get to pick a starting precon when you join, and you can choose not to open a box from a new set and opt to get 1 of that set’s precons instead (which idk why you would ever do)
glad peak
There’s some weird ass shit going on in modern rn
glad peak
[[pensive professor]] + psychic frog to draw discard to thoracle?
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glad peak
If modern has no aura then magic has no aura
Only format where 61 cards isnt out of the norm
So many spots filled up by RW fields
The world if tron was unplayable is peam
subtle sierra
#TabletTruthers
brother i've been running tablet for the last week or so, the format is a bit too fast to skip t4
subtle sierra
[[pensive professor]] + psychic frog to draw discard to thoracle? <:icant:131029...
that doesn't work? unless you mean with cauldron
atomic harness
I don't get it either yeah
knotty ferry
<@262101290799202307> would pull up with turn 1 dream beavers hold up snuff out
Dream beavers is actually the goat
I'd play 7 or 8 copies of it if I could
subtle sierra
bro wants a beaver colony
atomic harness
Thank you spat
Huh, tergrid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkuOPBxN4g @sleek ferry
trail anvil
||coalition victory 
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atomic harness
trail anvil
||also man tergrid is annoying for many reasons, but playing over spelltable with her certainly is one of them, so many infinitokens||
sleek ferry
Huh, tergrid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkuOPBxN4g <@304354673647812608>
Braids has been picking ups team lately I noticed
glad peak
that doesn't work? unless you mean with cauldron
Yep, the combo needs cauldron too, it’s janky af
sleek ferry
This one’s really nice
glad peak
With my name on it? How do they know my name
lusty trench
https://preview.redd.it/spoiler-secret-lair-drop-inked-v0-o128gbug0khf1.jpg?widt...
Me when I ponder the orb and I don't like what I see so the orb must be punished
sleek ferry
With my name on it? How do they know my name
It says “Virginia” mud, not “Virgin”
Sigh
sleek ferry
Holy fuck, we did it https://fxtwitter.com/playmtg/status/2053551736833401051?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
subtle sierra
???? why is this on grangran
like yeah this is azorius momo that's all fine and good
it's a fine deck
why tf does have a single grandma in main
surely even with the shepherd search into the drum taps it's still not worth
twilit canyon
proactive 1 drop that loots dead cards in a match up ig
you can find her off shepherd
subtle sierra
ik, i still don't think it's worth
the draw is delayed anyway unless you have drum which like, fair
surely you'd rather play inspector for the haliya and daydream synergy
twilit canyon
idk another 1 drop that'd replicate what she does in this deck and im guessing she went from a 2-3 of -> 1 of as this deck was iterated upon
subtle sierra
🤷♂️
i really see t2 haliya into inspector as a stronger play if we're looking at combos
tardy echo
Did you think you’d be playing fair magic with 40 lands in your deck
Truly some of the most degenerate legacy gameplay
Even if afaik it’s never actually been the goat in legacy
sleek ferry
So there’s a Jp pro that thinks the following 5 cards will be hit:
stormchasers
gran gran
Llanowar elves
Harmonizer
Crab
He said the last 2 are whatever, but that he sees the top 3 for sure getting hit
subtle sierra
Why does he want grandma dead 
tardy echo
So there’s a Jp pro that thinks the following 5 cards will be hit:
stormchasers...
Not terrible honestly
trail anvil
yeah idk some people forgive elves for its sins but 5 years of elves is a lot
trail anvil
nice, best way to use it tbh
first 7 win draft in a bit, lost once to mana screw and a second time to getting aggro'd out by a pest mascot
textbook tabulator goes surprisingly hard with its enormous ass
past socket
Got my first Etali win and also witnessed another Etali played kill themselves while trying Tym/Thras
zinc shard
stonks day
sleek ferry
Ngl, and idk if you guys feel this way but I really feel like Golgari is still super underexplored
Feel like people settled for the old builds + cub and professor
sleek ferry
btw @twilit canyon congrats on Jim getting his own card
Any idea how he felt about it?
twilit canyon
jim's been involved in riftbound a fair bit iirc nothing particular of note from what i heard
inland folio
Did you think you’d be playing fair magic with 40 lands in your deck
ur right commander players do that, and they love to play decks that are unfair (to themselves)
golden plover
What are we doing here man. Can't buy any of the SLs without having to buy 2 lairs
tardy echo
ur right commander players do that, and they love to play decks that are unfair ...
40 lands in commander is crazy high no
atomic harness
Wow um those prices
tardy echo
@twilit canyon @inland folio I wish oath was in arena
Just so I could hear people bitch about it
Let’s go back to eldraine and get a new enchanting tales…
inland folio
[[oath of druids]]
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tardy echo
Atraxa truly is the goat card
twilit canyon
new eldraine with new enchanting tales to get oath would be sick ngl
also reprint oko thief of crowns raw
tardy echo
WORD
How many insane broken enchantments can we put into arena with a new eldraine
Yawg bargain and oath are the only 2 I can think of
twilit canyon
hmmm
twilit canyon
it'd be unplayable i think
tardy echo
it'd be unplayable i think
Yeah u never get to a point where you can cast it
Also necro exists which mostly fills the same slot
zinc shard
twilit canyon
Also necro exists which mostly fills the same slot
both
tardy echo
Ja
subtle sierra
is that card new
tardy echo
Alchemy has a ton of cards that I wish were in standard without the weird alchemy mechanics
subtle sierra
same this card looks cute
tardy echo
Speaking of
atomic harness
Sigh what happened to that broken seek guy who had like the higher or lower gimmick? He was like some pirate dude @twilit canyon
tardy echo
There’s no reason for intensity to be an alchemy mechanic
inland folio
regardless
twilit canyon
Sigh what happened to that broken seek guy who had like the higher or lower gimm...
crucias
atomic harness
Ye crucias
inland folio
@tardy echo timeless is lowk an interesting format
never seen an mtg format play like it
zinc shard
Intensity could work in paper, but it's probably be a pain to track
atomic harness
[[crucias]]
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atomic harness
Thank you scryfall
inland folio
probably because its the only one with 4 strip mine
twilit canyon
[[crucias, titan of waves]]
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atomic harness
I could've sworn he had more toughness
inland folio
why do they balance timeless so differently from every other format btw
tardy echo
Intensity could work in paper, but it's probably be a pain to track
That hasn’t stopped them before
tardy echo
why do they balance timeless so differently from every other format btw
Because the children yearn for non games
twilit canyon
why do they balance timeless so differently from every other format btw
its meant to be vintage on arena
tardy echo
^
twilit canyon
but they undo card changes for boomers
tardy echo
It’s significantly lower power than vintage
twilit canyon
its why symmetry sage is much worse
inland folio
its meant to be vintage on arena
i know but they balance it giga differently
tardy echo
But still just as little gameplay
tardy echo
i know but they balance it giga differently
Vintage doesn’t get balanced lol
The whole point is that it’s meant to be as broken as humanly possible
inland folio
dont they restrict cards pretty often in vintage
inland folio
i mean ik with timeles
but timeless has a lot of cards that are restriced in vintage at 4
tardy echo
There’s a few but not a ton
tardy echo
And timeless is missing a ton of stuff in vintage regardless
Like again oath
And power isn’t legal in timeless
tardy echo
Tibalts is restricted in timeless btw
twilit canyon
timeless does not have vampiric tutor restricted (yet)
channel, dem tutor, and necro are restricted in both
twilit canyon
yeah but those arent restricted in timeless
tardy echo
Timeless has like brainstorm at 4
inland folio
yeah also that
tardy echo
And a lot of the shops stuff but timeless is also missing a lot of the cards that make shops so ridiculous
Iirc timeless has 4 karn tgc but no time vault no shop way less fast mana etc
twilit canyon
yeah
inland folio
it jsut got fow
tardy echo
And then I guess they never restricted any of the mentor stuff in timeless
Mentor itself 4x brainstorm 4x TC
4x dtt
But again having mox vs no mox makes a huge difference with decks like that
inland folio
what makes strip mine and library so much stronger in vintage than in timeless
tardy echo
Mox
inland folio
mox warp the format that much?
tardy echo
You’re afforded the opportunity to play more lands that dont tap for mana when you have 9 0 mana free lands in your deck
tardy echo
Diamond/chrome both see play in multiple diff decks at multiple copies
inland folio
[[mox diamond]]
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If this artifact would enter, you may discard a land card instead. If you do, put this artifact onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
: Add one mana of any color.
tardy echo
Mopal also does in certain decks but slightly more narrow
inland folio
[[mox chrome]]
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Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile a nonartifact, nonland card from your hand.
: Add one mana of any of the exiled card's colors.
tardy echo
Amber is the only one that sees play in other formats but not vintage at all afaik
Yes legacy is actual real gameplay with balance
inland folio
[[mox amber]]
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Legendary Artifact
: Add one mana of any color among legendary creatures and planeswalkers you control.
A moment in time made tangible, it has the power to realize epic visions.
inland folio
Yes legacy is actual real gameplay with balance
is it really impossible to balance soemthing like vintage
tardy echo
There just isn’t much reason
They restrict cards occasionally when they prove too strong
But really the only very notable attempt at balance was the lurrus ban
Which was controversial to say the least
tardy echo
Uh
At the time it was sort of presented as like
“This is the format for combo fiends and lab maniacs” because they had a weirdly inclusive card pool and did very regular banlists that changed the format notably
Now it’s a weird pussyfoot format in between standard and modern
inland folio
so basically it was people who wanted to fuck around with broken cards in a less broken format where theyre less abuseable
cuz less enablers or w;e
tardy echo
Sorta
stark skiff
like who is that for
stark skiff
Picked this up today @atomic harness @sleek ferry @knotty ferry
copper pecan
oh i love this
knotty ferry
Picked this up today <@240310577925193729> <@304354673647812608> <@2621012907992...
Looks good bro
tardy echo
I sort of thought pig hands did all the duskmourn promos w that style
Or ig they weren’t promos actually
stark skiff
the textured foils? Nah he only did Valgavoth. Different people did the other 4
tardy echo
Yeah realizing now
There’s more than 4 though
I think it’s like 10 double exposures in total no?
Kona Kaito Tyvar Valgavoth Zimone
Uhhhh
Niko…?
Winter
Idk
stark skiff
only some got Textured Foils. Valgavoth, Kaito, Emperor, Tyvar, and Niko.
tardy echo
Niko snuck in there like nobody would notice crazy
stark skiff
holy hell when did the Choco Vivi become $300
sleek ferry
I picked it up, the birthing pod by itself will likely be worth the price of the bundle in like 6 months
It’s the only old border printing of it and only the 2nd exclusive art of pod ever
The rough price of the singles in their regular ugly art is around $66
So, pretty safe to assume this secret lair will hit double that, not even counting whatever the bonus cards end up being
Remember when you guys also bitched about the princess bride secret lair? Now you can’t get the cards for cheaper than $350
stark skiff
It’s the only old border printing of it and only the 2nd exclusive art of pod ev...
doesnt it have like 3 arts?
sleek ferry
doesnt it have like 3 arts?
Only 1 other non main set/reprint art
And it was also a secret lair
stark skiff
Remember when you guys also bitched about the princess bride secret lair? Now yo...
yea the regular one, sld, and i think a judge one
sleek ferry
Oh huh, why did I think we had the judge promo art in a non judge printing
copper pecan
tardy echo
Mmm… horse…
subtle sierra
i have been addicted to casting jeskai revelation t4
if you're going first you return one of their lands
and they still have 3 mana while you have 8 next turn
trail anvil
man this goes in literally every green brawl deck ever
twilit canyon
yeah its kinda hot
trail anvil
seek is such a random thing to put on this card when it is just a better rampant growth but ig it doesn't interact with opp agent or shuffle your deck
copper pecan
i'm so glad they made a "make a random guy" card that's actually good
ornate imitations was good too but this this a fantastic card
can't wait to see a bunch of weird draft chaff i would have otherwise never seen
twilit canyon
it does trigger etbs
copper pecan
depending on what you hit this can be either terrible or amazing
but most of the time you will be hitting draft commons
tardy echo
Tbf a draft common is pretty good when it has all the rest of that baggage attached
Or with ornate imitations when you summon 10 different draft commons off one card they still tend to make a decent impact
inland folio
in my hs experience 9% of the time itll just be ungodly bad 20% itll be just be like a well statted body, 40% of the time itll be okay with upside, 15% of the time itll be pretty above average and then 5% of the time youll go x=4 and somehow hit icetill explorer or someshit, 1% of the time itll lose you the game somehow
tardy echo
Even if you’re hitting ungodly bad you’re still ramping + removing
There’s v few cards that are like actively hindering you the player to have on board
inland folio
Even if you’re hitting ungodly bad you’re still ramping + removing
well ungodly bad can range from a 1/1 to something that annoys your stategy somewhat
tardy echo
Refer to previous statement
inland folio
i think youd play like a 5 mana 2/2 or something
that does allat
you wouldnt be atrociously mad
most of the time youll hit a 4/4 with some marginal upside
tardy echo
The avg statline you’d be hitting with x=4 is prob 3/4 4/4 4/3 vibes
inland folio
it has to be a card thats alchemy legal right
tardy echo
Also remember arena has curated cardpool with very little of the incredibly jank old stuff
sleek ferry
Maybe alchemy/historic is different, but I don’t see how this is good
tardy echo
It seems v good in actual alchemy prob not in historic
inland folio
sleek ferry
Like what does it do better than [[archdruid’s charm]]
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tardy echo
And good in brawl too
inland folio
like this is the draft chaff ur pulling from
sleek ferry
And if you’re arguing it’s better for non mono green, then the question is what does it do better than other x cost mana sinks
inland folio
ur just playing it cause its flexible
sleek ferry
Well again, archdruid’s is better in every way
inland folio
if youd play rampant growth, youd just play this
archdruids cant be rampant growth
like the actual card
idt ur ever going like x=11 on this and hoping to hit darksteel collusus
like ever
trail anvil
they add leveler to the game and you instantly lose sometimes when you hit x=5
stark skiff
Well again, archdruid’s is better in every way
this is goated
zinc shard
Birds
No White
smh
inland folio
like for 5 mana, you get a 4 drop, opp sacs smthn sometimes, you get a free land, and 2 life
if u assume the creature dies instantly, its lowk better icetill explorer
but for 1 more mana
minus the milling
if i hit a 4/4 with reach, get a land and my opps sacs an artifact im happy af
idk bro
sleek ferry
Yeah, I’m not seeing it. Even solarbym’s favorite card [[lessons from life]] does more for 1 less mana
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inland folio
Yeah, I’m not seeing it. Even solarbym’s favorite card [[lessons from life]] doe...
???
thugs genuinely does not gaf abt the body
trail anvil
Well again, archdruid’s is better in every way
archdruid's has 3 green pips fwiw
sleek ferry
It’s a random body, you shouldn’t care about it
trail anvil
which format are we talking about though
sleek ferry
I’ll take deep drawing into my own deck which should have nothing but good cards vs gambling on a random body
inland folio
ur not gambling tho
sleek ferry
I’m assuming for alchemy/historic
inland folio
2 of the effects are guaranteed
the body most of the time is just a 4/4 4/3 or 3/4
would u play a 5 mana 3/4 u can evoke for ramp
sleek ferry
2 of the effects are guaranteed
Yes, and rampant growth + 2 life + opp sacs a random artifact is still way worse than drawing 3 of your own cards
trail anvil
I mean this is a rampant growth that can remove artifacts and scale into the lategame. the merit of being a 2 drop shouldn't be overlooked I feel like. the bigger question is where is rampant growth viable
inland folio
im willing to askthat question too
sleek ferry
[[pick your poison]] doesn’t see play
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trail anvil
in which format, cause this definitely saw a ton of play
trail anvil
but you can't play this in standard
inland folio
was it played in its own standard
sleek ferry
Yes I know, but I’m saying the comparison cards
Pick your poison is in standard rn
And sees 0 play
trail anvil
wouldn't you compare it with alchemy
I mean pyp is very format specific and is clearly a sideboard card idk
sleek ferry
Is pick your poison seeing play in alchemy?
inland folio
this is also clearly more flexible
trail anvil
idk I don't play alchemy lol
inland folio
90% of the time youd play this i think youd ramp for 2
trail anvil
@twilit canyon do you remember which format had a bunch of pyp
I feel like it was good vs some specific stuff
trail anvil
nah I meant other than standard cause I didn't remember it in standard
sleek ferry
The fact that you can’t pick your basic land type also just makes this way worse than I initially thought
twilit canyon
well yeah modern, legacy, pioneer had it see use
vintage... too? but im not confident on that idr seeing a ton there
trail anvil
but pyp is a pretty poor comparison anyways ig cause the strength of pyp is flexibility + 1 mana
trail anvil
just see it as an evoke elemental
that's also a poor comparison tbh
trail anvil
evoke elementals have a consistent effect
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When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, this creature deals 3 damage to any target.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. You gain 2 life.
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trail anvil
that sounds kinda weak though
inland folio
Which matters
well yes but putting onto field also matters
trail anvil
ig the biggest strength is the more mana you pour in later the better
inland folio
if u play this in monogreen ur always hitting a forest anyways
trail anvil
so it's a weaker lorwyn evoke elemental early and stronger later
inland folio
way more ass in multicolor tho
inland folio
so it's a weaker lorwyn evoke elemental early and stronger later
itd its neccesserily weaker it says put the land onto field tapped
trail anvil
the more colors the worse for sure
inland folio
vs tutoring any land
sleek ferry
if u play this in monogreen ur always hitting a forest anyways
But then the question remains, would you play this over archdruid’s in mono green, and then we’re back to square 1
inland folio
like the effects are just not 121
trail anvil
searching the land is more relevant in formats with better lands tbh
and bolt is stronger than sac an artifact
idk maybe in alchemy this is something though
inland folio
maybe its just mid
trail anvil
not familiar enough
sleek ferry
I just don’t like sorcery speed X spells whose outcome I can’t control and are below rate on top
trail anvil
all ik is in brawl this goes in literally every green deck
sleek ferry
I mean there’s no sideboard in commander
trail anvil
a wishboard for hate pieces in commander whew
inland folio
u have a sideboard in bo1
sleek ferry
Wish effects would also just be the strongest things ever if they worked in commander
inland folio
and its capped at 5 cards too right
trail anvil
it doesn't exist
sleek ferry
Do you know how much some cedh decks would love being able to wish [[mnemonic betrayal]] instead of having to play it in their deck
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trail anvil
so it's capped at nothing
inland folio
im saying in bo1 the sideboard is 5
trail anvil
it used to be 7 on arena but they had no other rule for paper or anything
it's back to 15 now too
sleek ferry
It’s the same way DB has pre siding in bo1
But yeah, anyways I built a new commander deck to take to locals tomorrow
I’m going to annoy everybody with landfall tomorrow
trail anvil
hope you know how you're gonna do all your triggers
sleek ferry
Nope, I just built it today, now I need to find like a million tokens
past socket
You ever just see a turn 1 Etali player just die to themselves
sleek ferry
How did they die to themselves
past socket
Turn 1 Etali got them a Demonic Consult from me (tried a Tymna Thrasios deck at the time) and Esper Sentinel
Consult declares Food Chain
Food Chain is the literal last card of the six with Squee in there too
Esper Sentinel is not a may
I casted a Wordly Tutor for Kinnan
I did not pay the one
sleek ferry
trail anvil
past socket
I think a Terra player also had a counter too so I’m pretty sure they were boned no matter what
I also same night got my first Etali win
Got lucky on a couple of accounts though
Took the recommendation to cast a Tayam player’s Silence
and got their Tyvar the Pummeler off the final of 4 Etali’s off Rionya with a red haste enabler when I brain freezed my own deck with a Food Chain and LED in graveyard and Breach Exiled off Glimpse
Managing to do the funny of making a win from other people’s cards, so happy
tardy echo
they add leveler to the game and you instantly lose sometimes when you hit x=5
Summon phage gg
zinc shard
damn, i didnt realize the Gonti commander precon was almost $200
trail anvil
what even costs that much in it
atomic harness
What the
golden plover
MOTHERFUCKER THIS IS GAME 2 WHY THE FUCK DID YOU MAKE ME PLAY THIS OUT HOLY SHIT
Provided I didn't just stupidly full send randomly I couldn't lose iirc
trail anvil
why are you playing magic the gathering if you don't want to play magic the gathering
golden plover
I wanna play, but there's no point in us sitting there waiting for a topdeck when there was a 0% chance they could win
Unless they ran like a wrath ig, but their deck likely doesn't
I just had to wait until I could get my figure back
zinc shard
tardy echo
He’s not a 2 mana 2/2…
subtle sierra
Yeah cause he's also a druid
trail anvil
so druids are 1 mana 1/1s...
atomic harness
@twilit canyon I saw kids complaining about culling the weak in historic
what do you think (areo spy deck)
tardy echo
Isn’t elvish mystic a Druid
twilit canyon
its bad
your only shot is to draw exactly ornithopter, culling, spy
and if you dont, you are slower than other linear combos by a lot
all of which fold like tp to force of negation
surgical too
tardy echo
I was about to ask why ppl were doing such troll shit when you can just thoracle but then I remembered it’s banned
zinc shard
Me when I play the format designed to play broken cards, and ppl play broken cards
subtle sierra
Isn’t elvish mystic a Druid
[[llanowar elves]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
The elves of the Llanowar forest have defended it for generations. It is their sacred duty to keep outside influences from corrupting their ancestral home.
1/1
tardy echo
Complaining about spy having culling the weak but not complaining about vamp tutor btw
Or are they talking about historic not timeless
sleek ferry
Or are they talking about historic not timeless
Ren said historic old man
tardy echo
Silence child
zinc shard
Got bored and threw this monstrosity together
tardy echo
[[fuel tank feaster]]
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At the beginning of your first main phase, a random creature card with the greatest mana value among creature cards in your hand perpetually gains "This spell costs less to cast."
: Add one mana of any color.
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tardy echo
Wow this does literally nothing but spin the wheel on imitations
zinc shard
yup