they needed gay rep without the racist baggage
#Magic the Gathering
tardy echo
Huatli and saheeli is literally just the Latin American version of Chandra and Nissa
twilit canyon
less racist at least...
twilit canyon
artifact players cant claim karn cus tron/eldrazi players already did that
so they gotta go after their own guy
tardy echo
Does tezzeret have the highest success ratio of any pw
As far as card quality
Or is it Elspeth
golden plover
twilit canyon
and i wont count minsc and boo of course
golden plover
Yay stolen art controversy again
tardy echo
There were a few teferi stinkers weren’t there
I’m p sure every elspeth saw play in their standards
twilit canyon
not really
outside of the duel decks
the really weird 7 mana teferi of course
but
all others have seen play in some capacity or better
tardy echo
I thought the 6 mana one was p bad too no?
twilit canyon
uhh the one from bro?
tardy echo
Also there’s the invasion flip teferi so he’s bad gg
twilit canyon
no that one was playable
tardy echo
uhh the one from bro?
The one from m21
twilit canyon
ah yeah i think that one is from a duel deck not main set
mu yanling was the actual walker from the set there
tardy echo
Thats [[timebender]]
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Morph 
When this creature is turned face up, choose one —
• Remove two time counters from target permanent or suspended card.
• Put two time counters on target permanent with a time counter on it or suspended card.
1/1
subtle sierra
https://melee.gg/Decklist/View/a95103f3-8090-4ac3-8078-b43b0052d4e8 holy fuck swallowed by leviathan
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twilit canyon
no timebender was from dominaria
golden plover
With the one ring now how close are we to a full plagiarize art commander deck
tardy echo
Do I have them backwards
twilit canyon
yea
tardy echo
Was this one not also bad though
twilit canyon
the teferi in the actual set was hero of dominaria
temporal pilgrim saw play
temporal archmage sees commander playe
who slows the sunset has seen play
time raveler
master of time has seen play
invasion of new phyrexia is the only one yeah
and honestly?
in another meta, that card would have been insane
tardy echo
Ok for Elspeth there was
tardy echo
OG saw play in standard
knight errant saw play
Suns champion was a goat card
tardy echo
Suns nemesis saw some play didn’t it
twilit canyon
undaunted hero doesnt count
sun's nemesis was fine-ish
honestly i lowkey wanna include her in shit in formats like historic but shes just not good
tardy echo
Elspeth deserves bonus points for ecd
twilit canyon
then teferi gets bonus points for teferi's protection
tardy echo
That card should’ve been a planeswalker
tardy echo
then teferi gets bonus points for teferi's protection
Ok then Elspeth also gets bonus points for Elspeths smite gg
twilit canyon
puzzle box is part of a lock in commander and a relatively popular one
subtle sierra
HOLY fuck based list
glad peak
I mean, how many different ways can you draw a ring with little to no significant detail 
tardy echo
Ok let’s just agree that elspeth and teferi are equal
twilit canyon
also i think time raveler has been traumatizing eternal format players for longer than any elspeth card
twilit canyon
HOLY fuck based list
got the horses in the back
golden plover
I mean, how many different ways can you draw a ring with little to no significan...
No look at the reflection placement
It's quite literally the exact same art
tardy echo
You know what pw has a sleeper insane record
subtle sierra
ok this maestro list makes a lot more sense
golden plover
I can't believe that Dan Frazier would steal art tho? So I'm not sure what happened
tardy echo
Vivien oth redid copycat
A bunch of random other viviens have historically been played as overruns in the sideboard
twilit canyon
monster advocate is lowkey kinda good
tardy echo
Aside from that I’m pretty sure kiora has a 100% success rate…?
twilit canyon
unfortunately never had a chance in the standard it was in
tardy echo
Behemoth beckoner was a super lol card
twilit canyon
kiora has only had that tho
tardy echo
Weren’t the other 2 both playable
twilit canyon
crashing wave was kinda weird (still is)
4 mana and 2 loyalty like fuck off lol
master of the depths has never been anything ever...?
idt she was awful awful
just
not great
tardy echo
I thought it saw play guess I’m misremembering
Wrenn on the other hand… now that’s my goat
twilit canyon
literally
tardy echo
They only printed 3 of her because they knew a 4th one would blow up the universe
twilit canyon
she needs maybe like
2 more cards
that are all goated?
and she'll take the all time
tardy echo
Wrenn and realmbreaker was the worst one and still extremely playable
twilit canyon
wrenn's resolve... goated storm card
tardy echo
W7 has some of the actual funniest words on it I’ve ever read
+1 that can draw 4 +0 fastbond
Ntm the ultimate
twilit canyon
ultimate 5 mana ramp piece for sure
i remember titan played her a bit
had a titan player +1 on me and draw 4 extremely busted lands
and then w6's dominance in legacy
twilit canyon
yeah no she's the goat
she needs like another 2-3 cards
to catch up to teferi and elspeth
tardy echo
Let’s get W1-5
An extremely funny bit would be making her cost more the lower numbered the tree gets
But I fear W6 is already 5 and u can’t really do too much more than that
Wrenn is actually just such a cool char it’s v unfortunate they wrote her out of the plot
They really found the one scenario where she was turbo broken and then got rid of her
twilit canyon
something about wotc and writing out cool women planeswalkers...
tardy echo
Imagine if she was around for mkm too though… she’d fucking fry trostani
tardy echo
Imagine if she was around for mkm too though… she’d fucking fry trostani
Ok actually it’s odd that they managed to do 2 sets b2b centered around trees being the central villain
Odd…
twilit canyon
they hate nature
tardy echo
Same
tardy echo
Maybe they’re saving wrenn for the next tree based villain
Or when she comes back she’ll uh… have legs or something
I’m actually confused on the anatomy of dryads in mtg
Are they transferable? Or is Wrenn just unique
If the former then wtf is the deal with trostani
tardy echo
Wrenn just swaps before she kills the tree right
twilit canyon
trostani is parked on that thang (the giant ravnica tree)
twilit canyon
Wrenn just swaps before she kills the tree right
yea
tardy echo
Ok followup is trostani built diff bc of vitu ghazi or is vitu ghazi built diff bc of trostani
twilit canyon
idr her exact case
tardy echo
Also are they conjoined or
twilit canyon
Ok followup is trostani built diff bc of vitu ghazi or is vitu ghazi built diff ...
its both iirc
tardy echo
idr her exact case
With her it’s because of the red mana
Iirc she literally burns trees from the inside out when she’s in them
twilit canyon
vitu ghazi is just crazy old and powerful and the trio of course, goes crazy cus of it but they also tend to the tree more and more
twilit canyon
With her it’s because of the red mana
right
tardy echo
So they have power from the tree
Not the other way around
Also are they conjoined or just like. Scissor sisters or something
Also Wrenn and realmbreaker makes me wonder what would’ve happened if she pulled up on the actual world tree
twilit canyon
wubrg wrenn
tardy echo
Or idk vitu ghazi or boseiju or any other ancient magical tree
tardy echo
wubrg wrenn
This is gonna be her in reality fracture
twilit canyon
wrenn and world tree wurbg
5 loyalty
+2 win the game
+0 win the game
-3 win the game
-8 win the game
tardy echo
-10 win the match -12 shoot your opponent
twilit canyon
wrenn and boseiju and she just strip mines you every turn on a +1
tardy echo
wrenn and boseiju and she just strip mines you every turn on a +1
Wait why’d you make her the same was W6
knotty ferry
Are you
Kidsing
Me
Standard won't fire cause there arent enough ppl
"they're all watching the pro tour"
I WAITED LIKE 5 WEEKS FOR THIS
MTG IS DOGSHIT
Ok tbf next week is store championship so I can play then
twilit canyon
lmao
knotty ferry
Like it's crazy
I'm not even necessarily mad that one format doesn't fire
Or isn't as popular
Whatever
That's fine
stark skiff
Just ask to play commander to get your mtg fix in
knotty ferry
But why is the only way to play the other popular format on some program that makes you pay and looks like it's from 1993
It's just unreal
stark skiff
wtf why 30 and 65?
knotty ferry
What card is the Japanese one
fallow citrus
[[bitter triumph]]
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stark skiff
Show the good stuff spat
knotty ferry
WTF I SHOULDVE BOUGHT THIS
glad peak
No way [[guardian of faith]] is over $4
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glad peak
As much as this guy’s vids are just “play better cards” he has a point here https://youtu.be/q4SfXfZHB-I?si=pIDqlzSdQ_75uZU1
trail anvil
I swear this channel has more activity than most yugioh channels
I wake up and there's like a thousand messages
sleek ferry
No way [[guardian of faith]] is over $4
Pretty good card for casual
knotty ferry
I wake up and there's like a thousand messages
Sorry
fallow citrus
Jace made Garruk plot relevant in his alternate universe?
by accident
also didnt realise they printed a blue dreadhorde arcanist lmao
obviously nowhere near as broken bc it doesn't cast for free but no doubt it will feel crazy with stuff like flow state
lusty trench
Yay stolen art controversy again
Ehh could be they have a contract to allow internal art reusage
knotty ferry
[[case of the crimson pulse]]
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tardy echo
also didnt realise they printed a blue dreadhorde arcanist lmao
Wait huh show
tardy echo
As much as this guy’s vids are just “play better cards” he has a point here http...
I agree when it’s 5c commanders/in the only relevant colors you have
But I don’t think the concept of type supporting commanders is bad
It’s really hard to find a reason to play spiders that isn’t Omni spider and we’ve seen how broken dragons have to be to be worth over ur dragon
tardy echo
I think lathiril is much more minor of an offender though idk
tardy echo
That’s a twitch extension isn’t it
glad peak
lathrill is a minor offender for people who are more ingrained in the game
for more casual gamers he's a pest that's all over the game
one of the most played commanders
tardy echo
She grr…
Well is the complaint of the video not just that tribal commanders homogenize types
sleek ferry
That’s a twitch extension isn’t it
Yes @knotty ferry
knotty ferry
whats it called
tardy echo
Yes <@262101290799202307>
Thanks @knotty ferry
knotty ferry
i need that
tardy echo
Well is the complaint of the video not just that tribal commanders homogenize ty...
Not necessarily related to power level if we’re whinging about Omni spider
sleek ferry
Uhhhh
Let me see if I can find it for you
Currently watching my Pistons force a game 7
knotty ferry
[[avatar's wrath]]
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Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for 
rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.
glad peak
the most boring decks come from typal slop where it's just top X cards from scryfall
fallow citrus
Wait huh show
twilit canyon
better than emry in some cases even if more expensive generally
honestly hes kinda goated
fallow citrus
yeah I think the range on the card is what makes it the most
being able to do 3 card types is huge
is it time to play some weird temur list using him and doc aurlock to reduce what you cast from yard by 3
sleek ferry
We got to qualify dog
And qualifying isn’t easy
You have to win an RCQ to get your RC invite (this is the easiest of the steps) then you got to top 4-8 an RC
You can also qualify via arena
glad peak
pro tour qualifications are hard yep
so i might have a line to get the modern goryo's deck for super cheap
should i go for it? 
sleek ferry
Hasn’t goryo fallen off a lot?
glad peak
exactly why this guy's trying to sell it for hella cheap
it's like belcher, it preys on certain metagames then just dies
fallow citrus
I wouldn't say no to picking it up
it'll always be solid unless they hit something you reanimate which is doubtful
glad peak
the main reason why i'm considering it is because psychic frog is such a cool card
sleek ferry
I mean if the price is right
fallow citrus
the frog is cool
glad peak
i get to play frog and griselbrand and rizzler and solitude and ephem in the same deck
what could go wrong
tardy echo
Oh I didn’t even register that’s what this was
Cool card but I wish it had evasion
Upside over dha is that it can hit artifacts
twilit canyon
dha free casts too
tardy echo
- the first line of text
Yeah and has trample
And is in better colors for that effect
But this could be decent probably
twilit canyon
yeah i think affinity lists may try him out
he has upsides over emry in some spots
sleek ferry
I’ve been looking at that EoE card a lot the last few weeks
Glad it’s finally seeing play
tardy echo
he has upsides over emry in some spots
Sidegrade but it’s nice you can have both at once
glad peak
I might unironically build UB mid in modern with the goryo’s pieces I’ll get
Deck usually sucks but idk
knotty ferry
Holy shit ban every green card
Decided to queue up for a game on magic the gathering arena
First game
2 Badgermole cub into the behemoth guy and the enchantment that makes ur creatures fight ur opps b4 combat
HAHAHAHA
THIS IS SO UNSERIOUS BRO
tardy echo
Wait why is craterhoof an innistrad card
Those things are around on innistrad and they’re worried about some dogs bro??
I always figured it would’ve been from Alara/Tarkir or smth
copper pecan
Those things are around on innistrad and they’re worried about some dogs bro??
the thing about innistrad is that the world is constantly ending there
they had like three apocalypses (eldritch moon, crimson vow, and march of the machines) in less than two years
tardy echo
Potential woat plane to live on
But it’s prob nice to have an afterlife like that where a lot of the ghosts are pretty content
Though I guess the eldrazi/phyrexian invasions did not allow that
copper pecan
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/By2Y9YXAff95vckQBXp5nsDRYHmZrYxldslLtHt7tvE/https/cards.scryfall.io/large/front/7/c/7cdc2fb2-e6f1-44c1-8d35-14df611ca15c.jpg?format=webp&width=668&height=930
thinking about this card
what exactly is the flavor for him giving offspring to a creature in your hand supposed to be?
what did wotc mean by this
tardy echo
U know I was about to ask why zinnia gives all your guys offspring but actually she’s a stork so she brings babies
Holy
copper pecan
yeah all evidence points to this guy impregnating the creature
sudden lava
well, they are a rabbit
trail anvil
damn so all of those kids are half rabbit?
sleek ferry
yeah all evidence points to this guy impregnating the creature
Uh, I say think of it as him raising them to a point where they can then reproduce
Not him impregnating them
sudden lava
I hope we get new founder dragons in reality fracture
or (cuz hexhaven AU), they change it from dragons to another large animal like dinosaurs
tardy echo
Uh, I say think of it as him raising them to a point where they can then reprodu...
I think the real answer is don’t think too hard about it
sleek ferry
I think the real answer is don’t think too hard about it
Something something, high functioning autism
-Gaytor
tardy echo
HUH
sleek ferry
Huh what, I was just quoting you
tardy echo
You stretch that thinner every day
golden plover
So according to Dan Frazier's agent, that one ring isn't what he submitted and he didn't see it until the livestream... Something funky happened with that art somewhere behind the scenes
subtle sierra
which art was that?
golden plover
which art was that?
The box topper One Ring is stolen art from the Bundle one with the text scrubbed off and Dan Frazier credited
subtle sierra
oh yeah it def is the same ring just with text removed
and well mirrored
which is why the text is removed
golden plover
Yeah I dunno what happened here
WoTC needs to make a statement because this is crazy
subtle sierra
like if it was the artist who stole smth that wouldn't be good but "understandable" in that stealing happens and there's motive in that
but someone else stealing and then slapping another name?
wtf
golden plover
They likely had the Dan Frazier background and someone sloppily did the rest in like 20 minutes
golden plover
Because the ring doesn't even look like how he draws artifacts
golden plover
Compare to his recent Sol Ring
This definitely doesn't look like how he'd have drawn the ring
inland folio
it being all the urza lands would be pretty broken right
like for no other reason than that turns on all the ones you already have
ig just playing a second urza land achieves the same
unless you have tower
glad peak
It’s pretty broken
It’s the reason why it’s played in legacy
Or a similar card at least
inland folio
city of ass?
trail anvil
[[planar nexus]]
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Land
This land is every nonbasic land type. (Nonbasic land types include Cave, Desert, Gate, Lair, Locus, Mine, Power-Plant, Sphere, Tower, and Urza's.)
: Add 
.
, : Add one mana of any color.
The violence of the Conflux gave way to rebirth.
inland folio
what are the nonbasic land types
trail anvil
they're literally listed right there
tardy echo
it being all the urza lands would be pretty broken right
It’s a worse version of a card that already exists
Admittedly a good card but
That card also literally does nothing
inland folio
It’s a worse version of a card that already exists
im ngl when it said it was all the land types i assumed it tapped for them
subtle sierra
That's only for the 5 basic ones
tardy echo
Ok I didn’t realize it was basics
So it does tap for wubrg
Nonbasic land types don’t work the same though
inland folio
i see
tardy echo
what are the nonbasic land types
Every land type that isn’t wubrg basics
inland folio
does it being wubrg change ur evaluation
tardy echo
Not really
Pay 1 when it enters + it enters tapped means it’s sort of a land drop that puts you 2 behind
tardy echo
Yes
inland folio
sounds pretty good there idk
tardy echo
But at most you’d have 2 colorless if you’re playing this on 2 for example
inland folio
[[expedition map]]
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, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
"I use maps to find out where explorers have already been. Then I go the other way." —Javad Nasrin, Ondu relic hunter
inland folio
sounds good to me idk
tardy echo
I mean it would be fine
You’d probably play it
But it’s not turbo broken or anything lol
tardy echo
Certainly not strong enough to specifically choose to not allow in any organized play
inland folio
u play urza land on 1, drop it, second urza land, tap for 2 colorless, and this searches the third one
tardy echo
Real tron gamers always hard draw it
inland folio
and the opp casts boseiju and u lose gg
stark skiff
knotty ferry
Adam that could be you
sleek ferry
subtle sierra
bro had quite a few weird choices i wonder why he went 3-5
like, edge rover????
bruh
i don't think i've see a list on sniper either
knotty ferry
[[edge rover]]
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Artifact Creature — Robot Scout
Reach
When this creature dies, each player creates a Lander token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
Charting the Edge, one scan at a time.
2/2
knotty ferry
[[dragon sniper]]
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subtle sierra
oh and cavern of souls???????
i think there are better ways to flex expensive lands
also i find it interesting that almost all lessons builds are the old ones
don't think i've seen a solo stormchasers crab build
sleek ferry
also i find it interesting that almost all lessons builds are the old ones
I said this lol
Lessons is better without storm chasers
This was confirmed by pros weeks before the PT
subtle sierra
it's less so about stormchasers and more so with bouncing sauna
it's just that there's no other real wincon if you wanna play 4 boomerang
sleek ferry
Boomerang is just a top 3 removal in the format, even if you’re not playing stormchasers to get the self draw
Also, no other deck draws while being proactive early like lessons
So you don’t need the boomerang draw
subtle sierra
ig
that reminds me to test jeskai lessons more
ik just playing artists endurance is better but i don't vibe with it
stark skiff
Adam that could be you
Not a fan of the rest of the year besides Marvel and Reality Fracture. Gonna probably splurge on Marvel
sleek ferry
Not a fan of the rest of the year besides Marvel and Reality Fracture. Gonna pro...
Idk why people just assume super heroes is going to be another Spiderman, when Spiderman had some insane circumstances behind it
Mostly because of Disney
Super Heroes will actually be designed to be a full set
golden plover
You say that but TMNT and the Hobbit were also aftermath sets
sleek ferry
You say that but TMNT and the Hobbit were also aftermath sets
Tmnt was a good set
And the draft environment was also enjoyable
To the same degree if not more than SoS currently is
There’s a difference between planned small sets, and a planned small set that got pushed to be bigger than it was, so they had to add generic draft chaff to it
knotty ferry
What's an aftermath set
atomic harness
do you kids wanna talk about hexhaven
knotty ferry
So half of a full set basically
Oh I assumed every set was about the same size
sleek ferry
Oh I assumed every set was about the same size
Small sets have existed forever. More famously, we used to have the 2nd set of 3 block story sets be a small set
And guess what, people hated a lot of them
But once aftermath came out, boomers decided they hated small sets, so they turned against them
Also, these are the same people asking for blocks back
knotty ferry
Small sets have existed forever. More famously, we used to have the 2nd set of 3...
Oh right I've heard about this
atomic harness
innistrad wasnt a block right we just had crimson vow and midnight hunt together
duology
knotty ferry
Bro the way this guy organizes the field pisses me off
PUT THE ENCHANTMENT ON THE SIDE LIKE IN ARENA
YOUR ENCHANTMENT IS NOT A CREATURE
STOP PUTTING IT IN THE CREATURE ZONES
sleek ferry
I say this to say spat, never listen to an mtg player’s opinion who is over the age of 35
atomic harness
@knotty ferry if lamb played magic he would say your green rants were equivalent to my ygo rants
Interesting...
sleek ferry
STOP PUTTING IT IN THE CREATURE ZONES
There is no creature zone little spat
atomic harness
Spat is turning into needle... holy
knotty ferry
There is no creature zone little spat
There is, it goes in front of your lands
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
🦧
Bro, this is how shiv used to organize his gy
sleek ferry
I mean it makes sense so both players can see what’s in it
subtle sierra
especially when it's a deck like lessons where it matters
i usually do the same thing until there's enough lessons where both players kinda know there's enough
glad peak
Bro the way this guy organizes the field pisses me off
You’ll never want to see me play
knotty ferry
sigh
sleek ferry
Fuck, hopefully reality fracture has the 2nd set of slow lands and not the missing set of snarls
Though I guess snarls feel less bad with shocks in the meta
But still
subtle sierra
wdym missing set of snarls
sleek ferry
[[necroblossom snarl]]
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Land
As this land enters, you may reveal a Swamp or Forest card from your hand. If you don't, this land enters tapped.
: Add 
or 
.
A hungry lair of flourishing rot.
glad peak
sigh
I separate my graveyard by card types, group lands however, my stack is right below my lands, and my creatures/enchantments/artifacts/planeswalkers are all in the row all mixed up from right to left by how often I use them
subtle sierra
subtle sierra
we should be getting slow lands in fracture
it would be fucking stupid if we didn't
sleek ferry
Yeah that basically confirms the other side of slow lands
Which is fine, those are solid lands
glad peak
As a control freak I prefer lands that enter untapped
fallow citrus
Oh they just decided to not name them snarls
well they are from like 5 years before strixhaven came out
knotty ferry
???
sleek ferry
I mean you did get banned for being 12
tardy echo
Fuck, hopefully reality fracture has the 2nd set of slow lands and not the missi...
They’re almost certainly gonna finish out slowlands somewhere
When’s the last time they didn’t finish a land cycle
sleek ferry
When’s the last time they didn’t finish a land cycle
This happens pretty often actually
glad peak
Yeah just last year they got some shit for that
But I can’t remember if they finished it since
I pulled the trigger on UB mid
Time to go 0-4 every time I play it
knotty ferry
I pulled the trigger on UB mid <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
I'm glad I could inspire you
glad peak
Nah I had my eye on frogtide for a while
stark skiff
do you kids wanna talk about hexhaven
No.
twilit canyon
<:icant:1310294700384714813>
izzn't
sleek ferry
Magic con day 2 panels in 20 minutes https://www.youtube.com/live/xPZGkHzDOw8?si=rkm9e-0rMEbFZxz3
glad peak
Nah 1 of those is clearly on lessons
subtle sierra
smh some of them hid their lists now
golden plover
Oh true. 3 prowess, 1 lessons
subtle sierra
i could see all 8 of them a few hours ago
simic omni being 6-2 is interesting
there's also a mardu discard that's 6-2
oh and a momo
golden plover
Momo has a solid matchup into Izzet
They go wide enough they're hard to cleanly answer
It just has trouble into other threats
subtle sierra
yeah uh they hid all the decklists lmao
what was the point of revealing them before
then hiding
unless it was a mistake which
lmao
golden plover
Probably a mistake then, but funky since you can now meta game the opponents deck
subtle sierra
crazy
i just wanted to see if control is more on lute or tablet
anyways the selesnya builds are on 4 erode
kinda wild to me
simply cause it's also synergy for them
subtle sierra
Magic con day 2 panels in 20 minutes https://www.youtube.com/live/xPZGkHzDOw8?si...
lmao ok bud
glad peak
No more open decklists?
subtle sierra
nope
apparently
it was either a mistake or idk
like you could have taken them before what's the point now
golden plover
Yeah feels like some teams will now have field knowledge and others won't
subtle sierra
god can magiccon fuck off with mood swings
hello i'm mark rosewater the head dick of magic the gathering
knotty ferry
WHOA
subtle sierra
like ik it's great that they have community outreach from the designers but the fucker is so unlikeable to me
get him off my screen
glad peak
Give him a break, the execs are allowing him to do a pet project for once
After they burned him so many times by making him lie to the community
subtle sierra
Give him a break, the execs are allowing him to do a pet project for once
i mean, fair, but i really couldn't care less about mood swings
twilit canyon
hello i'm mark rosewater the head dick of magic the gathering
head dick of magic is crazy
fallow citrus
yeah I can't say maro is my favourite human being on planet earth
twilit canyon
the implication of other dicks involved in magic the gathering (like actual dicks) is funny to me
subtle sierra
head dick of magic is crazy
look i'm just annoyed that's his introduction every single fucking time
fallow citrus
his tumblr is what put me off him to begin with and then hearing him shout down the mic at every magiccon sealed the deal
glad peak
He did wot 
fallow citrus
it's just how he speaks
golden plover
I'm glad he gets to do his passion project but yeah, Maro just comes off a bit too abrasive and corporate for me
Tbf I do like him better than Gavin Verhey
subtle sierra
i fucking remembered what vibe he gives me
and why i hate it
fucking tommy tallarico
golden plover
Gavin pisses me off. He comes off elitist and goes "Oh yeah sorry guys I just wanted to make things special for me and my friends because I'm THE Commander designer guy"
Maro is annoying but like he's earned it
fallow citrus
sure but annoying is annoying at the end of the day
golden plover
Yeah true. And I'm not defending Maro being annoying
glad peak
Gavin is annoying in the commander-only player way
golden plover
I just think his track record does show he at least knows what he's talking about
glad peak
Maro is annoying in the hyper excitable puppy type of way
golden plover
Gavin meanwhile keeps breaking shit and going "haha guys sorry we just thought it'd be funny"
Like Gavin's literal excuse for Vivi being disgusting was "guys FF9 is my favorite so we wanted to capture the feeling of Vivi being strong because he's my favorite character... Sorry it broke standard and no one likes him :("
subtle sierra
you know, the funniest thing is that as a new player, my only impression is from this magic con and occasional tumblr posts of him before a set
past socket
Certain some healthy mentalities going on here /s
subtle sierra
and that's it
copper pecan
tbf if the vivi card was was bad then people would definitely be mad about it
subtle sierra
my impression is that he's fucking annoying
golden plover
I'll forever also be mad that Gavin has a REALLY good drag name on Spell Slayers
golden plover
tbf if the vivi card was was bad then people would definitely be mad about it
Oh true, but it could've just been the alchemy rebalance from the start
twilit canyon
that would require them to have put more thought into it
golden plover
Like there's no world where you don't see that a 0 activated ability is disgusting
sleek ferry
tbf if the vivi card was was bad then people would definitely be mad about it
I mean, I was mad that Zidane was bad, Zidane is the best main FF character in FF other than Ramza
twilit canyon
even tapping is kinda busted ngl
golden plover
that would require them to have put more thought into it
Nah they originally did, but Gavin intentionally pushed the card because it was his favorite
sleek ferry
And Ramza didn’t even get a card
glad peak
If Vivi was bad people would just accept it like literally every bad legend in the set that already exists
subtle sierra
is vivi that popular
golden plover
Oh I agree, but again, Gavin outright said Vivi was like that because he wanted it to be
subtle sierra
i never played a single ff game
sleek ferry
Sorry to hear that
twilit canyon
me neither
sleek ferry
You missed out on some goated games
golden plover
Besides, we got a mid cloud in the main set and no one is mad that Cloud, the Final Fantasy guy, isn't broken
twilit canyon
idk if vivi is an actually popular/iconic character
sleek ferry
Mainly 6, 9, 10 and tactics
golden plover
I think if Vivi was fine but interesting, people wouldn't have been pissed
copper pecan
is vivi that popular
vivi is one of the most popular characters in the series
knotty ferry
Like Gavin's literal excuse for Vivi being disgusting was "guys FF9 is my favori...
Thugs...
glad peak
Vivi is popular in the sense that lil guys that are black blobs with yellow/white eyes are popular
Like reverse slugcat
golden plover
People are honestly probably more upset that he's broken and boring
twilit canyon
worst fate imagineable: you are busted but boring
knotty ferry
golden plover
Yeah broken but boring is worse than bad but interesting
glad peak
Who plays final fantasy for the story
sleek ferry
The reveal of what Vivi is and isn’t is why Vivi as a character took off
golden plover
Like at least bad but interesting is okay for commander players
knotty ferry
Who plays final fantasy for the story <:clearly:1247706297491656795>
????
subtle sierra
which game is vivi from?
knotty ferry
9
knotty ferry
IX, as we would call it
knotty ferry
6
subtle sierra
might as well get it on my backlog
knotty ferry
6 is goated
glad peak
Start with tactics
copper pecan
any of them except for 2 or 3
knotty ferry
Tbh I think everyone should play 7
subtle sierra
i saw some speedruns but that's it
copper pecan
i started with 6
knotty ferry
I know it's overrated or whatever but it's still super influential
golden plover
No one is mad about stuff like Azula being mid because her card is interesting
past socket
Can confirm on 6
knotty ferry
6 is my fav tho
subtle sierra
6 is terra, right?
knotty ferry
Yep
sleek ferry
6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and finally tactics should be the order
glad peak
6 is good
knotty ferry
And the 🐐 gogo
golden plover
So yeah, imo busted and boring is the worst fate you can have
sleek ferry
I’m not a huge fan of 7, but I can’t deny the cultural impact its had, it’s just extremely overrated
golden plover
Actually I'd argue that's even worse than bad and boring
glad peak
The world may never know
golden plover
Like who give a fuck about Cosmic Spiderman
sleek ferry
Triad?
knotty ferry
Yeah
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
7 has a lot of stupid mini games too
glad peak
Every ff game
knotty ferry
Yes it's a Japanese game
sleek ferry
i enjoy games with hot guys in them <:clearly:1247706297491656795>
Oh 15 would be your favorite game then
Easily
sleek ferry
15 is literally the GX theme song in real life
subtle sierra
olivert my beloved
past socket
Suggestion that is the full FFXIV copypasta here
glad peak
You should play 15 just so you can drive around with knockoff cloud
past socket
Jimbo Balatro himself
glad peak
Nah but you should consider: Jill from 16 is cool
knotty ferry
https://tenor.com/view/olivier-lenheim-trails-in-the-sky-gif-362875215516950264
This guy is the goat
sleek ferry
But yeah in terms of over all games, I would rank them as tactics > 9 = 6 > 10 >>>>> 7 >>> 8
subtle sierra
yea olivert is consistently the best character in every game
both in story and party wise
sleek ferry
Only old people like me have played ff11
past socket
Also I’m still reminded of Locke’s theme being so epic for a “treasure hunter” when I first played that it made me laugh
subtle sierra
sigh you guys just added like 5 games to my backlog
sleek ferry
Actually, are the servers for ff11 still up?
I mean the good thing about ff games is that you don’t have to play them in order
Though I would say 9 has A LOT of fan service and call backs to previous games
glad peak
The only thing you should do is ignore all the dialogue and watch videos about the story
subtle sierra
can someone ping me when maro is done talking about his mood swings
knotty ferry
I have the lightning deckbox
subtle sierra
imma go play bg3
glad peak
Lightning’s so pretty
knotty ferry
sleek ferry
I would argue lightning is the worst FF main character
glad peak
Great character too
knotty ferry
I would argue lightning is the worst FF main character
My pp would disagree
past socket
I would argue lightning is the worst FF main character
She’s not Terra, that is true
knotty ferry
Villa loves Goku
glad peak
Mfs will say cloud’s the goat but Lightning’s mid
sleek ferry
I think both are bad
glad peak
Cloud’s boring af but at least Lightning’s hot
sleek ferry
The supporting cast in 7 carries the fuck out of cloud
past socket
So he’s Yusei from 5D’s
sleek ferry
Noctis is also a terrible MC for other reasons, he’s literally just a fucking dumbass
glad peak
I love how in E3 people were getting hyped about lightning when she was described by the designers as “cloud but woman”
past socket
Folks, you know I’m not making an unfounded comparison
sleek ferry
FFXV was the first time I played a game and got frustrated at having to play as an MC that just keeps making the wrong decision for 60-70% of the base game
knotty ferry
Cloud’s boring af but at least Lightning’s hot <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Thank you son
glad peak
And then people started hating on lightning and then never reflected on cloud
past socket
Because nostalgia is brainworms
glad peak
I call it the street fighter effect
knotty ferry
Idt cloud is that bad but I see why people hate him
The goat is bartz
But y'all ain't ready for that convo
🕵️
sleek ferry
We should have gotten this Noctis: https://youtu.be/b6At_bb1PNU?si=a0tHE-VhIN6U2BQC
sleek ferry
Damn Maro can yap with the best of them
glad peak
Hes still going?
stark skiff
Damn Maro can yap with the best of them
That’s what happens when you become old and no one is there to stop you
knotty ferry
@glad peak take notes my little kitten
copper pecan
Hes still going?
he's been trying to get this game released for almost 30 years now, i'd be surprised if he didn't have a lot to say about it
tardy echo
This happens pretty often actually
I mean it used to but when was the last one
I guess we never got Alara shard counterparts for the trilands in tdm?
tardy echo
Actually no we did in spiderman
Oh that was only grixis and bant actually nvm
That’s even weirder than not finishing the whole cycle
subtle sierra
Maybe it's like a 3 set cycle
Idk
Maybe there's more in marvel and then in star trek
I'm coping ofc but
tardy echo
I mean the tdm trilands were shit lol
knotty ferry
Nah I prefer the ones where you can show the card
Where can I get one of those
tardy echo
Also naya/jund aren’t exactly dying for stronger mana when nobody plays the colors anyways
glad peak
Gamegenic
subtle sierra
Oh there were some other hobbit reveals
Ye there's an instant stock up
It's a lot worse but it's still a plus 1
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sleek ferry
Ben Bateman is doing pack it up on the mtg stage right now
@knotty ferry take notes, Ben Bateman is the goat
I want to be just like him when I grow up
subtle sierra
Was this ever posted yesterday
twilit canyon
idk if here
subtle sierra
They're kinda cute i wish they weren't 5 mana
This sounds nutty with evoke but at that point in the game do you even care about draw 5 for a million mana
Cause this isn't sorc speed
I wanted to do memes with the sos cauldron but it's sorc speed
twilit canyon
yeah
shove this guy under agatha's cauldron tho
they did try to balance it around that it feels with it coming back as an artifact if it dies but discarding it to fomo for instance
subtle sierra
Oh boy
sleek ferry
they did try to balance it around that it feels with it coming back as an artifa...
You could still cauldron in response to the die trigger no?
twilit canyon
yes
glad peak
They were posted here and their effects are pretty pretty good
Not sure how fast you can turbo them out
[[Rakdos the muscle]]
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subtle sierra
They were posted here and their effects are pretty pretty good
Oh was it an old reveal
I was just searching for the fact or fiction again and saw it
glad peak
Nvr mind I forgot rakdos had a free sac ability
This one’s is a bit more reusable but the mana cost is pretty high
knotty ferry
Rakdos peed...
tardy echo
Shockingly well handled
Also is it real that Jace is actually letting Nicol bolas out of meditation realm or is that just speculation
lusty trench
Idk this isnt even like a mistake this is legit "i painted over their art (to remove the text on it) and passed it off as my own but I got caught lol"
Like you don't not know what you're doing here
tardy echo
I will say that there’s only so many ways you can draw a ring
copper pecan
Also is it real that Jace is actually letting Nicol bolas out of meditation real...
yeah that happened
it wasn't on purpose
it happened while jace was using the meditation realm to create the alternate universe
lusty trench
I will say that there’s only so many ways you can draw a ring
Different lighting different position, different scene, etc
All things this guy could've done
tardy echo
yeah that happened
Holy shit I hope he actually dies dude
copper pecan
i guess he figured that it wouldn't matter since if it worked then bolas wouldn't be a problem in the new universe
tardy echo
Different lighting different position, different scene, etc
I mean for the record it’s a shitty thing to do but I have to assume he wasn’t just lackadaisically choosing to scrub someone’s art to draw a circle
I would like to give benefit of the doubt to an artist who has up to this point basically only made consistent and positive contributions to the game
This may sound uncouth but it’s also just quite shocking how ugly the Frazier ring art is/was
I have to wonder how impromptu the art was
lusty trench
I would like to give benefit of the doubt to an artist who has up to this point ...
Whats the alternative position to take here though? Like are you believing he was forced to draw it in too short a time frame? Which also doesn't excuse his actions to any degree
tardy echo
The alternative position to take here is to wait and see if we receive literally any more substantive information before forming an opinion
Again I’m not saying that what he did is fine but we also know literally nothing about anything involved in the circumstances
trail anvil
I mean this does keep on happening 😬 I gotta wonder if a tight schedule is putting pressure on these artists
past socket
I’m just happy they fessed up and apologised
trail anvil
there are more sets than ever
tardy echo
But I definitely do not think that Frazier just decided with no outward pressure to just do a shitty plagiarism of another artist
tardy echo
I mean this does keep on happening 😬 I gotta wonder if a tight schedule is putt...
We have way more sets that are way larger and all have multiple commander precons attached to each each year
It is very clearly the reason this keeps happening
lusty trench
This is the damage control statement from a company who's best interest is sweeping this under the rug as quickly as possible which also states what he did is wrong. Im not sure much else would exhonorate him from this other than this statement being a lie and wotc just slapped the art together themselves and didnt involve him in it
knotty ferry
tardy echo
I’m not sure how exactly you would do it but wotc clearly needs to reevaluate how many artists they take work from/ the process if they’re just gonna keep ramping out sets like this
past socket
I just understand tracing is the art community’s biggest sin
lusty trench
I just understand tracing is the art community’s biggest sin
It is
All further art from him will be heavily scrutinised
Its a massive reputational hit
Only thing worse is an artist using AI art or elements of it iirc
trail anvil
I’m not sure how exactly you would do it but wotc clearly needs to reevaluate ho...
bring back that artist from avatar and let's get some ai art in here /s
tardy echo
Truly if I have to read one more post of people taking up arms because of perceived AI with little to no foundation I might actually just delete all social media
I still remember spider UK…
trail anvil
get ready to delete then cause people love a witch hunt 😌
lusty trench
Like do I believe it's possible wotc works their artsist too hard? Absolutely. Do I believe that passing off touched up traced art as your own in response to a short deadline is still an awful thing to do and very much not a mistake or accident? Absolutely
trail anvil
the mtg sub even put out a rule saying if you accuse someone of AI art and it's false you get perma banned and people still do it
tardy echo
Good. 
I hope all people who try to instigate artists out of their jobs based on unfounded suspicions actually receive a much more significant punishment than being banned on Reddit
past socket
I’m reminded of the pizza lands guy having to post the process after they got accused of being AI
I’m also still not entirely convinced the work of Ruwen Liu for ATLA was AI
Was she still bad optics for WOTC to hire, absolutely
lusty trench
I think the main thing that throws me off about the toph is the lighting
Not even saying it's ai it's just odd looking
trail anvil
I’m also still not entirely convinced the work of Ruwen Liu for ATLA was AI
did anybody call her work AI? I think people just hated her cause she did AI art elsewhere
lusty trench
did anybody call her work AI? I think people just hated her cause she did AI art...
Word "probably" got thrown around a lot
"They openly use ai so the toph is probably ai too"
tardy echo
did anybody call her work AI? I think people just hated her cause she did AI art...
Yes lol
trail anvil
I mean when someone openly posts AI art constantly the accusations are a lot less out of nowhere
past socket
As far I was aware it was just the circumstantial evidence of her involvement with the AI company WaifuLabs
trail anvil
did anybody call her work AI? I think people just hated her cause she did AI art...
I guess that was a dumb question
tardy echo
Wotc places them under contract not to do AI right
trail anvil
do they?
past socket
From someone who has done regular artwork in the past and is possibly contracted not to
tardy echo
Even if she outwardly uses AI and actually even moreso because she does I cannot imagine why people don’t think they would make sure she’s not just genning lol
past socket
It did get her harassed off social media too iirc
trail anvil
I was led to believe many things but the subreddit is not a reliable source of information
in the slightest
tardy echo
Not from subreddit
I have not once in my life used Reddit as a primary source of info
past socket
Getting one’s sources from Reddit is a crimson flag
tardy echo
You think I would use discord for my information???
past socket
Not just red, crimson
tardy echo
I actually don’t know where I heard it but it was probably somewhere in the annals of Twitter
Wherever it was was definitely not Reddit though lol
trail anvil
twitter is not better oomfie
I get my news from the dark voices within my crystal ball
tardy echo
Where exactly am I supposed to find pertinent info on this subject
Should I get hired as a wotc artist
trail anvil
don't, drink dumb bitch juice and live happily ignorant
tardy echo
Just to tell you about it after I break NDA
past socket
Like I’d be able to retire now if I got a dollar for everytime someone used Arma III footage to fake military actions on Twitter
tardy echo
Regardless of if it’s contractual or not after making statements against ai art in sets I don’t see why people don’t think wotc would be checking for it 
past socket
I imagine more enfranchised folks are far more disappointed in Dan than me
I just know he is one of the big Magic artists
Even if I’m more a Mayer and Villeneuve guy
sleek ferry
I mean my stance on this is that Dan Frazier has done amazing art for years without any controversy. Like cake mentioned, there’s only so many ways you can draw the one ring. I don’t think it’s a schedule issue either because artists are allowed to turn down some of these requests by WotC, and Magic had a plethora of underrated/underused artists who I’m sure would love more opportunity
tardy echo
I just can’t imagine any other reason that type of thing would happen though
I also again just think it’s uncharacteristically ugly
sleek ferry
I’m only assuming here, but I think he probably wanted to sketch the OG one ring art and then differentiate it enough to make it his own as a homage to the OG art, but there’s not much you can do to the one ring that wasn’t already perfectly captured with the OG art
But, I think out of all the mtg artists, Dan Frazier is credentialed enough, and historically great enough to get off on a warning and be given a pass
golden plover
I’m only assuming here, but I think he probably wanted to sketch the OG one ring...
I think he was probably planning on making it way more distinct and rushed it out
tardy echo
I mean I would also say
golden plover
Iirc there's a lot of crunch on artists rn
tardy echo
If we only ever saw the weird colored version of the art
golden plover
So he probably rushed it out unfortunately
tardy echo
I think people would probably just not have noticed
Bc it was the reflections that set ppl off wasn’t it
golden plover
The smeared text is a big giveaway that he definitely outright inserted her ring, but I don't think he was planning to leave it like that
trail anvil
I imagine that their schedule is set to finish long before previews yeah? cause rushing it out for the panel doesn't make sense to me
tardy echo
Like this is also ugly as fuck but I don’t think people would have seen this and immediately realized
I just think it’s so weird that they decided they need to make another new art for this card
And I think it’s even weirder that they saw the Frazier art and decided “yeah this looks good enough to be a box topper” even ignoring the plagiarism
golden plover
Honestly it's a little more on art director than Dan, as much as he shouldn't have used hers as a placeholder
They should've caught this
tardy echo
Just a whole systematic failure
I also don’t want to keep hammering a nail but again I’m also just appalled by how bland and bad the card even looked
Which, again, art direction should’ve caught
golden plover
Yeah, someone somewhere should've caught it
golden plover
Which, again, art direction should’ve caught
Yeah, as much as it's sad for Marta and as much as it's gonna hurt Dan's image, this is a WoTC failure
tardy echo
Lowk if I’m marta I’m laughing to the bank they said they’re recompensating her for it
copper pecan
Only thing worse is an artist using AI art or elements of it iirc
i feel like this is like significantly worse than just generating some garbage and putting it on there
what he did is directly stealing with no ambiguity or room for disagreement
sleek ferry
Oh god, Twitter now with the conspiracy theories
“Wotc made Dan take the blame on this”
knotty ferry
Is there an mtg commentator that's considered the best
trail anvil
what kinda puzzles me is a ring should have a million references no? especially if you don't include the inscription
this seems more to me like he submitted a temp by accident than anything. this isn't like trouble in pairs where you're tracing multiple characters
copper pecan
Is there an mtg commentator that's considered the best
cedric philips is pretty good iirc
glad peak
Maybe this is just wotc’s way of cutting people’s contracts
Put wrong art, make the artist take the player hate, cite that as a reason why theyre not going to them for art anymore when they ask, repeat 
||yes I know, this is a joke||
tardy echo
this seems more to me like he submitted a temp by accident than anything. this i...
What was the trouble in pairs one again
knotty ferry
Holy, even wizards agrees with me
glad peak
Remember when we were talking about how cub was a bad card
tardy echo
Who was we
copper pecan
What was the trouble in pairs one again
almost all of it was collage of other people's art
[[trouble in pairs]]
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tardy echo
Crazy
copper pecan
all of this except for the axe was drawn by people who aren't fay dalton
trail anvil
Remember when we were talking about how cub was a bad card
who actually is we lol
tardy echo
Copy pasting from not just one but multiple people seems especially ironic given the theme for the card
copper pecan
i remember thinking cub was pretty strong, just not as strong as it ended up being
trail anvil
I thought it untapped the land at first too
tardy echo
I thought cub was a good card but overhyped
glad peak
I’m not naming names, there just was some discourse about how cub was washed
tardy echo
I still think cub is a good card, but also still overhyped 
glad peak
She’s one of the hundred girls who love me very very very very much so I cannot or I will die
glad peak
You can ask theoretical questions to judges in yugioh
knotty ferry
They won't answer them
glad peak
That’s their job
knotty ferry
🐒
trail anvil
She’s one of the hundred girls who love me very very very very much so I cannot ...
wow that's a deep cut
glad peak
I referenced it just a couple hours ago too
sleek ferry
Komi is old, forgive them
glad peak
Playing with some of these celebrities… holy
It’s a good thing they have real jobs because magic ain’t it
trail anvil
Komi is old, forgive them
I hope most old people don't know about this show 😭
knotty ferry
Playing with some of these celebrities… holy
Rn?
sleek ferry
I hope most old people don't know about this show 😭
This was in the front display of Barnes and nobles
knotty ferry
Holy sleepy card
twilit canyon
lmfao
trail anvil
welcome to magic!
zinc shard
First Strixhaven pulls
tardy echo
HOLYYY SHITTTT @golden plover
golden plover
LMAO!!!!
tardy echo
Also just saw someone say but it would unironically be the best set oat if we had a return to duskmourn but for some reason the eldrazi were there
Maybe not for plot reasons but…
Eldrazi vs the house would be absolute peak
Phyrexians vs the house would also be cool but that was something already pretty fully explored to its peak with ashiok
glad peak
All of the horror genres meshing together would be peak
tardy echo
A lot of the horrors of the house are also just extensions of valgavoth himself right
This is also something ppl talked about with phyrexians but it would be cool to see an incorruptible force vs them
glad peak
Phyrexians vs eldrazi are still not being explored
Eldrazi vs innistrad was a wipeout
Valgavoth vs innistrad’s civilians would be interesting
Innistrad’s citizens survived so much, can they survive horrors they’ve never even thought of
tardy echo
Phyrexians vs eldrazi are still not being explored
Phyrexians vs eldrazi will realistically never be explored lol
tardy echo
Innistrad’s citizens survived so much, can they survive horrors they’ve never ev...
Honestly after eldrazi I’m pretty sure they can probably think of literally anything
A lot of the duskmourn guys seem pretty banal compared to Phyrexians + Eldrazi
Truly the scariest part of the house is prob the people in it also the fact that you can’t actually get out more than anything else
As cool as valgavoth would be to be the next big bad it’s hard to imagine him posing a danger outside of the house
And it’s even harder to imagine a sudden status quo shift where the house just gobbles up amonkhet or something
sudden lava
First Strixhaven pulls
yo! The portal to hexhaven art! Nice!!!
rigid scarab
You can ask theoretical questions to judges in mtg?
You can also take back plays if they make the opponent show information
trail anvil
Eldrazi vs the house would be absolute peak
a godzilla vs king kong kind of set sounds really fun, but also I'm kinda scared given how they've treated other tropes in the past 😬
maybe they've learned though. plus an oportunity for some cool battle cards maybe?
trail anvil
what's the rest of the top 8?
sudden lava
You can also take back plays if they make the opponent show information
was there a typo?
subtle sierra
Bro didn't burst lightning himself to make it not 10...
subtle sierra
they put pro tour lists up again
interesting, the tablet leviathan control list is top 16 rn
perhaps i discounted tablet too fast
leviathan over something like three steps is kinda wild tho
actually no the whole list is kinda wild
the only white card here is rev
i kinda was fucking around with this concept
if this places high it'll be wild
no nml no helix just so that you can hit the red removal off tablet
and ig leviathan doesn't need 2 blue so you can use an island plus tabled to counter stuff
yeah this kinda fucks
i should get some hamlets tho
wait doesn't [[petrified hamlet]] kill the fetch lands green plays
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holy this card is goated