Magic the Gathering

[glad peak]

Hello there oko

[tardy echo]

This set does have some cards I wanna try in pixie though

Bouncing the blue class to draw infinite cards sounds kinda nice

4 mana leo also lets you play both kirin and pixie from gy but idk if that’s worth

[sleek ferry]

Like I’m just thinking about the changes I can make here to make room for Leo

[tardy echo]

Lorwyn also had some nice pixie cards

I would mess around with that deck again if I had time to play mtg

[sleek ferry]

I probably just cut 1 appa, 1 Sygg

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1474243591139495976/image.png?ex=699923d6&is=6997d256&hm=7ac626a1dc9fd74f4c619f2b522eded944cf8540b6eb33c9c208bc64ed103e1c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=645&height=930

yo they put yummies in mtg

[zinc shard]

wasn't expecting to get an elf in this set

[tardy echo]

I knew it

[copper pecan]

odysseus???

[sudden lava]

I swear this set is doing everything to make pizza a green theme

also paying 10 to eat 5 pizzas is hilarious

[urban crane]

No Batman inspired character

[trail anvil]

fml this is such a waste for this name

[subtle sierra]

Wait i thought lessons from life was a commander card

It's actually in standard

Isn't that fucking insane

I might go 5c from 4c just for that

Idt we've had a draw 3 for 4 mana for a while

[trail anvil]

[[lessons from life]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/155/lessons-from-life

Lessons from Life <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw three cards. You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
"Everyone's got their own strengths, Lita. You never know what cards they might play. Instead, focus on what you know and never doubt your choices." —Michelangelo

[sleek ferry]

it being a sorcery is kinda sad

[tardy echo]

I mean it’s cheaper urban evolution

That card saw play ish

Question is just if we have a deck on U/G colors that plays at that speed

[sleek ferry]

harmonizer?

I think the issue is, it competes with the instant side of the blue dragon

When is this better than that

[tardy echo]

If it was actual factual urban and let u just play extra land I would say yes fs in that deck because of icetill

But idk

Does harmonizer play regent rn?

[subtle sierra]

No

It plays 4 consult 4 stock up

Marang is superfluous

[sleek ferry]

Yeah it doesn’t fit, here’s what my list looks like atm

[tardy echo]

Then surely you don’t play this card either then

If there was no consideration for marang as a draw spell then I cannot imagine there’s possibility for a card which is generously a sidegrade

Aside from that I can’t imagine anything else that plays at that speed in those colors

[subtle sierra]

dw i will be the moron to make it work

hmm does bant have any control wincons

well besides the usual white stuff

i would kiiinda fuck with a deck that runs both no more lies and repulsive mutation

[sleek ferry]

you can make it yourself

[subtle sierra]

my copium reserves are depleting rapidly

[sleek ferry]

This was such a hard climb for some reason

Probably the hardest one I’ve ever had to do

[steady onyx]

whatsnot on the side is insane

what is this temur otters?

temur aggro

loks interesting

[subtle sierra]

It's most definitely not aggro

It's temur harmonizer

It's a control deck with a combo finisher

Do we not have the cancel with set mechanic yet?

[glad peak]

What’s even the set mechanic you can do?

Sneak doesn’t work lol

[fallow citrus]

pizza

[tardy echo]

If you control a pizza counter target spell gg

[subtle sierra]

Doesn't have to be the mechanic directly ig

[[unravel]] is anti warp for example

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/83/unravel

Unravel <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell. If the amount of mana spent to cast that spell was less than its mana value, you draw a card.
Drix weftwalking requires neither eternity columns nor Pinnacle codebooks. But the art is ancient, and each passing is a leap of faith.

[sudden lava]

https://external-preview.redd.it/tmt-ooze-spill-card-image-gallery-v0-B-mgbqP4moeggWL7bN-oSUcRJL10MXMp7ZAa1_i9U2k.jpeg?auto=webp&s=9715d5f98530b1a9d5a43a3218c55960d9727ceb

[subtle sierra]

Ah there we go

[sleek ferry]

Sneak silence

[tardy echo]

U can also do a sneak subtlety type thing

Instant speed return spell to hand sneak U

We did get set mechanic murder

[sleek ferry]

We hit all the check marks; Set mechanic counterspell, set mechanic murder and plane specific pigeon

[glad peak]

Maybe in the Korea block we can do cameos of random kpop groups each set

[twilit canyon]

when we are in the korea block, we follow the prescripts

[steady onyx]

its misty!! hewwo misty!!

[golden plover]

I'm crashing out

Jesus fucking Christ I haven't played a game today where I haven't had to mulligan at least once and I've still lost 60% of them to only drawing lands/not drawing lands

I think I'm cursed

[past socket]

fuck yes it’s working!

[copper pecan]

genuinely i think lands are the worst part of mtg

almost every tcg i've seen with a resource system has had a better one than the land system

[golden plover]

Unironically same

Literally never once has a game been decided by lands and I had fun

Don't care if I won it or lost

But like, it's not fun to steamroll because they didn't see lands

And I feel like having maybe 10% of games on average be non-games isn't a good mechanic

[tardy echo]

Let’s make colorless farseek

[golden plover]

Honestly? And give it companion

Pre-errata companion

[lusty trench]

Magic now uses a seperate mana deck, deck building in shambles

[golden plover]

The clause is that there's no green cards in the deck

[golden plover]

Doesn't sorcery do that?

[lusty trench]

So many games do that

[twilit canyon]

i love the land system

this isnt being contrarian

i like the deckbuilding constraints

[golden plover]

Unironically I don't see how it's any different than cutting them and making decks like 40 cards

[subtle sierra]

it makes some decks have to have concessions made on some lands

say in my 4cc i have to have some amount of black to have a consistent turn 4 defeat live

even if no other card uses it (besides some techs)

[twilit canyon]

and also curve reqs

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[twilit canyon]

like if u wanna make a deck cast x y and z spell by 1 2 and 3 turn

[subtle sierra]

extra deck lands would not necessarily ruin that but it would remove most of that aspect

[lusty trench]

Makes you unable to be as greedy

[subtle sierra]

also you can have any mana you want on demand

i could just play 1 swamp in my 4cc and only play it if i have defeat

heck i think most decks would be 3+ colors minimum

[twilit canyon]

no reason not to play 5c

well outside of some specific circumstances

but even then...

[subtle sierra]

eh i can still see reason why not, idt i wouldn't add green to control unless they release some broken shit

or like, i play llanovar elves ig

[twilit canyon]

hmmm ig in a standard format...?

if you had acccess to some oko/uro

i'd play them

for sure

same w a t1 accelerant yeah

that'd be too good not to play even in control lists with free access like that

no need to consider your land base/curve

just play a t1 elf

[subtle sierra]

ig cornucopia exists too

[twilit canyon]

cast t3 cancel on t2

so many abusable ways to take advantage of that

[subtle sierra]

as much i hate lands i think it's better we don't just push them to an extra deck, the game isn't built around it

you'd have to make extra rules

they'd also have to remove all the bonus shit on them like manlands and token creating lands

i certainly don't wanna control just pull out a fountainport or two simply cause they saw they stabilized, i want them to have the chance to draw it so that it fucks up their mana, it being a deckbuilding cost

[twilit canyon]

i purely love the aspect they add even the variance that has to come with it of drawing lands

or not doing so

[subtle sierra]

that being said

[twilit canyon]

cus good deckbuilding is rewarded to mitigate/fascilitate it

[subtle sierra]

i wouldn't mind if they'd let you pull out a basic land out of your ass once a game

[tardy echo]

Some weird revisit of the old mulligan where all/no-lands get special treatment would be funny

[subtle sierra]

still has the thing i mentioned about llanovar or me playing a singular swamp, mind you

but i think that'd be cute and interesting too

[twilit canyon]

land printed that can be played like a companion actually...

could be a neat design if done right

[subtle sierra]

yeah

companion land, enters tapped, becomes creature if a difficult condition is met

[twilit canyon]

feels like it'd need to be mono-color or have a specific restriction

but not sure

[subtle sierra]

i think mono color is a given

i'd just want to be able to make a dedicated deck around it

[twilit canyon]

and it requires mono colored? or maybe the land is colorless

[subtle sierra]

i could see it giving colorless mana

[vivid hatch]

Mailday

[subtle sierra]

idk something like
The Billowing Shriek

Legendary Land

Symbiotic Biome - You may pay 3 to add this card from outside your game to your hand.

This land enters tapped.

Tap: Add R

If your opponent has 3 or less life, this Land is also a 3/3 Elemental with Haste.

@twilit canyon

idk i never made an mtg custom

[twilit canyon]

hmmm this could be cool

[subtle sierra]

maybe this is waaay too generic tho with the haste thing, i was thinking having the city's blessing for white

but you could still play that in jeskai or smth and get a plains

but that's just the concept ig

Also also

You could just make those lands take up sideboard slots

There's a bit of deckbuilding cost there, just maybe not enough alone

[glad peak]

i genuinely like the lands system but i do think having an abundance type effect would make games so much smoother

[copper pecan]

force of will did this and it worked fine for the most part

it made 1 drops significantly worse in multicolor decks though

which is probably fine tbh

[glad peak]

there's some ways of doing it but i know some people's ideas which would be catastrophic for the game

as in allowing you to make a doomsday pile in 1 deck and all lands in the other

[copper pecan]

personally i like the way lorcana did it where all the lands have actual abilities beyond just tapping for mana

[glad peak]

i actually really like how union arena does theirs too

but that's an entirely new system

[trail anvil]

lor having a mana storing system was nice too

tbh I think the way forward for now though is more mdfcs

patriar's humiliation is a hilarious card

[golden plover]

The way Altered and the Star Wars TCG does it is good too

All your cards are lands, and you draw 2 per turn. You pick a card from hand to make mana each turn

[glad peak]

stomped by A foot

oh, kicker too lmao

[last glen]

they think they're so funny

[glad peak]

they're right in this case

what's next, a foot soldier selling fruit on the street with a card name "froot by the foot"?

[sleek ferry]

In Korea block we get 7 different flavors of incels instead of ninja turtles

[zinc shard]

I swear there was already a card with this effect in Dominaria

[[Vicious Offering]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/110/vicious-offering

Vicious Offering <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Kicker—Sacrifice a creature. (You may sacrifice a creature in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell.)
Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn. If this spell was kicked, that creature gets -5/-5 until end of turn instead.

[zinc shard]

ah nvm the new one's better

[copper pecan]

there's also [[final flourishing]] and [[vayne's betrayal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/104/final-flourish

Final Flourish <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Kicker—Sacrifice an artifact or creature. (You may sacrifice an artifact or creature in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell.)
Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn. If this spell was kicked, that creature gets -6/-6 until end of turn instead.
Strixhaven braced for another Oriq assault, but something far worse arrived.

No card found for “vayne's betrayal”

[copper pecan]

[[vayne's treachery]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/124/vaynes-treachery

Vayne's Treachery <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Kicker—Sacrifice an artifact or creature. (You may sacrifice an artifact or creature in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell.)
Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn. If this spell was kicked, that creature gets -6/-6 until end of turn instead.

[zinc shard]

I'm interested

[copper pecan]

👀

i'll definitely check this out tomorrow since it seems really cool

[sudden lava]

Oh yeah Im drafting this

once

[sudden lava]

yeah, that went AWFUL

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/crngBF2Z9NBJLanBmgkCKatY2ccj_lrUs3Fgxs1MGFw/%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3Dmedium/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/HBpFmdpXQAAxJqC?format=webp&width=579&height=809

Flavor text is the fast forward lyric!

(But the lyric is "bro" not the full brother)

[zinc shard]

Hah the Changelings in this draft count towards these achievements

[trail anvil]

smh not playing a zombie/demon deck to get this achievement

[zinc shard]

Technically I am

[subtle sierra]

uh i was looking through scryfall and this is nuts

well not nuts but

anoint is back

i like it

[glad peak]

oh no

hopefully they didn't use that name specifically so they can have a batman set or secret lair to reprint this

[last glen]

well
now that you mention it....

[twilit canyon]

not gonna hold u

thats the 1st thing i thought of

[gritty nest]

so like

is the tmnt set good?

[copper pecan]

hard to say

there are some good cards in it

[sudden lava]

yep

of course I've yet to try tmnt draft, but yeah set is good

The turtles are on their way

[gritty nest]

Stonks

[sudden lava]

yeah fire and forge is pretty good at getting the shipments to the people before it even touches store shelves

probably for like getting it to retailers and all, pretty good pricing on the stuff to

[tardy echo]

Death in the family is also a generically applicable name to other sets

[glad peak]

true but it's an iconic batman story

[tardy echo]

Goes both ways

Ultimately won’t matter until we get one and if we were gonna get one it was gonna happen anyways

[trail anvil]

like for the next new capenna set

[tardy echo]

Im begging for another new capenna

But maybe not after we just visited New York 17 times

[trail anvil]

I'd like to actually see new capenna with corrupt cops too pretty please

complete the environment and give us the mobster story we always deserved

[sleek ferry]

I saw this Italian say that new Capenna is the worst set ever

[tardy echo]

I guess he wasn’t Sicilian

[trail anvil]

fuhgeddaboutit

[golden plover]

Alright new P1P1 without a mox

I would take Time Sidewalk but I think it's Wandering Emperor?

[tardy echo]

wtf is that kiki

[fallow citrus]

freaky jiki

I don't really like any of these p1

ig underground sea

[tardy echo]

If you’re pure of heart and soul you take elves and the karmic balance of the universe will guide you towards the ultimate mono green stratagem

[glad peak]

Fanatic or triome

[urban crane]

Personally I’m not a draft or cube guy I say get booster tutor it’s probably the most fun

[subtle sierra]

Pogger

4cc best deck

[fallow citrus]

I am not

[glad peak]

I prefer triome, verge, sea probably actually

Without obvious p1p1, lands are the most disciplined choice

[fallow citrus]

I always like the lands choice because worst case it's just an island or swamp

the safest choice while also steering your next picks

[stark skiff]

Some new stuff for @atomic harness and @sleek ferry

[sleek ferry]

I was thinking triome or booster tutor tbh

[fallow citrus]

jesus that starfield vocalist

[glad peak]

Good news, starfield is cedh playable now

[sleek ferry]

It always was

It’s just deck specific

[glad peak]

There’s only 1 deck that really wants it tho

Well, only 1 prominent deck at least, brews for cedh go all over the place

[lusty trench]

New chaos vault lair with brain dead collab

Miren the moaning well
Master of the feast
Mirror entity
Sakura tribe elder
These 4 have arts on shirts and mats on the brain dead website

Theres 6 more cards in the lair

[past socket]

That Lumra sent em from cocaine bear to meth bear

[steady onyx]

rich

that lumra is SOOOO pretty

[zinc shard]

So, if you get [[Chronicles of Victory]] in the Changeling draft you just win

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/253/chronicle-of-victory

Chronicle of Victory <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Legendary Artifact
As Chronicle of Victory enters, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control of the chosen type get +2/+2 and have first strike and trample.
Whenever you cast a spell of the chosen type, draw a card.
"For those we lost, that they may forever live." —Tapestry inscription

[sudden lava]

Play basic lands at that time or they become mountains

[sleek ferry]

Gg’s to harmonizer

The more that landfall thrives, the better this deck gets

[vivid hatch]

This is a shot in the dark

But is anyone here Italian

[stark skiff]

wow this sucks

[glad peak]

who is this even for

[golden plover]

They really blew their load that first time with consecrated sphinx, yeah?

[tardy echo]

I like the tribe elder actually

[steady onyx]

ok

im doing a "stone soup" draft

anyone god cool ideas

this seems awesome

[golden plover]

I like the art of Steve, but yeah, the lair is a huge miss

[glad peak]

Stone soup is great

[tardy echo]

The groves also looks nice

This is just a weirdly extremely niche lair

[steady onyx]

i think i kinda wanna bring 20 cards 2 of each compainion, then just 25 goodstuff cards, like a strong landbase and then strong cards along with those

i was thinking like good removal and countermagic

maybe even some of the flash evoke elementals

[glad peak]

Funniest packs from submissions I played in:
10 storm crows and 5 crow storms
15 sticker related cards
15 attractions
All of the titans
Only counterspells
Only pump/infect

[steady onyx]

lol

i reallly wanna bring companions

[glad peak]

You can go crazy with it, don’t take it too seriously lol

[steady onyx]

so im def doing that

[glad peak]

Companions make draft really interesting

[steady onyx]

cause ive always wanted to do a draft with companions

so imma force it 🙂

[glad peak]

Try companions + draft matters + conspiracies

Personally havent tried that one but it’s bound to cause some headaches

[steady onyx]

waiiiiiitttt

wait there are 25 conspiracies

just all 25 of those

• 10

1 of each companion

and there are 28 draft matters

so i need to cut 8 of them

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t put together yorion and the conspiracy that gives you full fixing

Their conditions are the same and the conspiracy is well known to be absolutely broken

[steady onyx]

this one?

or this one

[glad peak]

Worldknit

[steady onyx]

ok

i need to cut 8 conspiracies or draft matters cards

7 with worldknit cut

ill go through this later

what about these?

nah

too many cards i would need to cut

https://archidekt.com/decks/20261574/club_stone_draft
15 cards i need to cut

[glad peak]

garbage fire's out for sure

spire phantasm seems weak for stats and singleton

secret summoning doesn't do anything

cogwork tracker

cogwork grinder

echoing boon might be too narrow (yes, secret agenda cards are narrow to begin with but they're passive buffs to a guy you have)

there's 6 more cuts

would suggest cutting the colored draft matters cards to 2 colors each, just for symmetry (not a real reason but it looks pretty)

[golden plover]

Sure buddy

Just keep having them ig

[steady onyx]

https://archidekt.com/decks/20261574/club_stone_draft
this is hwat im at rn

i wanted to make sure none of the draft matters were too crazy

how many conspiracy cards can you have?

i think as many as u want right?

[glad peak]

yep

[steady onyx]

what u think

i think im good with this

gonna print it out

[glad peak]

you need 1 more cut, right?

[steady onyx]

no

i think im at 45

yeah

i just wanna make sure im not on too many weird draft matters

like i dont want draft to be insane

[glad peak]

i like acquisitions and librarian

let me reread the pile

weight advantage might be too niche

i heard backup plan was absolutely insane but i haven't played in a draft with it yet

i don't really like deal broker but it's a decent enough card

[steady onyx]

i like the trading aspect

i dont love aquisitons

we already had a draft with librarian

so i want different dreaft maters cards

[gritty nest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicCardPulls/s/LP6OKJjxno

Insanity

[trail anvil]

don't they literally not put in a way to interact beyond sorcery speed fighting

[gritty nest]

So I have an idea

[[zada, hedron grinder]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/268/zada-hedron-grinder

Zada, Hedron Grinder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Ally
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada, copy that spell for each other creature you control that the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures.
"A hedron holds magic for a thousand years—or less, if need be."
3/3

[gritty nest]

I can build this dude for dirt cheap right?

[past socket]

She is very easy to build on a budget and pretty strong for that purpose

[trail anvil]

only thing is she pops off very quickly so I'd keep that in mind for brackets

I'd also goldfish with her a bunch

[gritty nest]

Oh I was just gonna do shenanigans with [[stormsplitter]] and copy spells

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/154/stormsplitter

Stormsplitter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Haste
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a token that's a copy of this creature. Exile that token at the beginning of the next end step.
"We'll cover more ground if I split up."
1/4

[gritty nest]

It was probably gonna be bracket 3 if I could build it right without breaking the bank

[glad peak]

She can be very very strong with a tiny budget

Not as consistent and folds to decks that can kill or counter zada on cast but if you get past that and get to untap, you’re very likely to win

I would probably put her at 4 just because she works with anything that creates tokens and has targeted spells to create a manual storm line

[gritty nest]

Bracket 4?

I was thinking of building around $50 btw, if that’ll even be possible

[glad peak]

Yep, shes pretty well known for that

[gritty nest]

Damn

[golden plover]

There's a dude at the card shop with a binder covered in stickers of anime girls in bikinis

[gritty nest]

Well then

[golden plover]

I thought this was just a meme lol, forgot people actually did this

[glad peak]

There’s a guy at my school who plays slicer but as an anime girl proxy and talks about how we’re passing her around

Needless to say, we don’t play with that guy

Unrelated to how I’m building slicer because I think the deck’s funny though

[vivid hatch]

How overweight is he

[glad peak]

He isnt

[vivid hatch]

extremely surprising, is he shockingly underweight, then?

[glad peak]

Nope

Hes normal looking

Has a girlfriend last I saw him, she was spectating and vibing with everyone

[broken fjord]

Anyone can be cringe.

[sudden lava]

Added this to grouphug as a late game option, give them the value and then puppet them

[zinc shard]

I have a [[Katara, Seeking Revenge]] deck and I'd love to win with this someday

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tle/148/katara-seeking-revenge

Katara, Seeking Revenge <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may waterbend . (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for .)
When Katara enters, draw a card, then discard a card unless her additional cost was paid.
Katara gets +1/+1 for each Lesson card in your graveyard.
3/3

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/huschenmtg/status/2026040820529291723?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Arne Huschenbeth (@Huschenmtg)

This card seems nasty against Lessons

X · Feb 23, 2026, 9:05 PM

[golden plover]

Ehh I feel like it's too slow

They should already be set up by the time you're swinging

[quiet edge]

Still going down the Magic rabbit hole

[past socket]

Welcome, we have cookies at the bottom

Arnotts Monte Carlos

[quiet edge]

Found a stupid card referencing some guy named Hans, and whatever this Lhurgoyf thing is. Thought it's just a dumb flavor text

...And as it turns out, the Lhurgoyf is very much real, and there's several of them.

P sure now I might just make a deck with nothing but goyfs, if at all reasonable.

[past socket]

[[!Ach Hans Run]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/unh/116/ach!-hans-run!

"Ach! Hans, Run!"

[quiet edge]

Yeah that's the one

Also, Hans is also real!

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/279/hans-eriksson

[past socket]

I believe the text was from [[Tarmogoyf]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/235/tarmogoyf

Tarmogoyf <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Lhurgoyf
Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1.
What doesn't grow, dies. And what dies grows the tarmogoyf.
*/1+*

[quiet edge]

holy crap that's good

[past socket]

No nevermind

[quiet edge]

...I think it is?

[past socket]

Tarmogoyf used to be fucking busted apparently

[quiet edge]

Still not sure what constitutes as great here but this seems very potent

[past socket]

I’ve only been playing a little over a year

[quiet edge]

Oh, this thing is probably what started the joke

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/141/lhurgoyf

It's a nerfed (Well, pretty sure it came first and Tarmogoyf was afterwards) version, but this still seems really goofd

A right shame what happened to Saffi

[glad peak]

tarmo used to be very good

still good though

[quiet edge]

I really just want to say this thing's flavor text.

[glad peak]

Tarmo used to be amazing because stats were good, it was easy to go to 4 toughness, and bolt was prevalent

[golden plover]

It's also worth noting that there were a lot of times the opponent wouldn't get the math right on tarmo

If they bolted a 2/3 goyf and don't have an instant in the yard, they'd hit a 3/4 goyf and it wouldn't kill

[tardy echo]

Goyf was very often a 2 mana 3/4 at a point in time when bears were still considered reliable stat lines

[golden plover]

Goyf was absolutely dominant until [[Fatal Push]] really

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/93/fatal-push

Fatal Push <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature if it has mana value 2 or less.
Revolt — Destroy that creature if it has mana value 4 or less instead if a permanent left the battlefield under your control this turn.

[golden plover]

Fatal Push is what did him in because it traded advantageously, wasn't dead in other matchups, and wasn't damage based

[vivid hatch]

Used to be $200 for the cheapest printing

[urban crane]

Commander if yes? Look at [[disa the restless]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/1/disa-the-restless

Disa the Restless <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Scout
Whenever a Lhurgoyf permanent card is put into your graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield, put it onto the battlefield.
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Tarmogoyf token.
5/6

[golden plover]

What the fuck enables the earthbend trigger???

You get it even with abilities removed??

That's bullshit

[copper pecan]

earthbend is a lingering effect of the card that earthbent the land, not an effect of the land that got earthbent

[golden plover]

But if I remove cub's ability it also wouldn't miss the chance at the trigger

I know that's intended but that doesn't feel right smh

I feel like earthbend shouldn't have given you your land back when it died

[copper pecan]

i think it should

land removal feels bad and earthbend was designed specifically so you wouldn't get blown out like that

[golden plover]

I mean, God forbid players have to make choices

I dunno, I feel like earthbend is too forgiving on it tbh

[copper pecan]

this was a big problem with awaken where people just wouldn't use it because they got blown out

[golden plover]

Especially with the new mono-green deck being able to use earthbend with stuff like fabled passage and getting to ramp every turn

There's probably a compromise, but I dunno, it feels like they overcorrected "land destruction feels bad" imo

I guess really it just shouldn't be a reflexive trigger

[subtle sierra]

wow i love when mtga just doesn't let me side

i totally didn't need to side out like 8 cards

[glad peak]

Welp how do I deal with someone who keeps saying magic is bad because they don’t get to do whatever they want

Yes, I told him to just play other games but he still wants to play

[copper pecan]

is he mad that people play interaction or what

[glad peak]

He wants to impose the rule that no instants are allowed, no stax is allowed, no interaction is allowed, and the only way to play is stompy with no other effects other than buffing themselves

[golden plover]

He should play 2013 Hearthstone then

[glad peak]

Oh trust me we tell him to try a lot of other games but he still hates them

The only game he doesn’t hate is Digimon

But the local scene for it is uhhh yeah

[trail anvil]

have you tried to tell him to build a "don't interact with me" deck

[[dragonlord dromoka]] voltron

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/286/dragonlord-dromoka

Dragonlord Dromoka <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dragon
This spell can't be countered.
Flying, lifelink
Your opponents can't cast spells during your turn.
Dromoka's followers forsake blood ties so that they may join a greater family.
5/7

[subtle sierra]

introduce him to voice of victory

[trail anvil]

there actually are so many cards that prevent the opponent from playing on your turn

tidal barracuda is probably the most fun one of them all

[glad peak]

Trust me, I tried

[sleek ferry]

Some of my recent pulls

[trail anvil]

play baral until they get the point 🙂

[glad peak]

His reasoning for not wanting to do that is because he says he shouldn’t have to waste more effort of doing things to make sure people are playing the right way

The right way in his eyes being only creatures

[trail anvil]

damn those shocks

[glad peak]

I didn’t even have to play Baral

I draw my 1 board wipe in a hardened scales deck? “wtf why are you playing control that’s so cringe”

[sleek ferry]

I’m ngl, if an mtg player told me they wanted to buy sealed, I would tell them just buy Lorwyn Eclipsed, the set is both meta relevant and has good value

It’s also reasonably priced, last I checked boxes were under $130

[glad peak]

But yeah it sucks because he’s a good friend otherwise

[trail anvil]

I'd ask if you tried building a deck for him but I get the feeling he wouldn't hold up mana for cards like t pro

[glad peak]

I think ecl is a pretty good set because of shocks but the rest of the cards can be used for cube

Very fun limited environment if bombs are gone

[sleek ferry]

Good thing you specified if the bombs are gone lol

Lorwyn eclipsed as a limited environment wasn’t great

But it was at least better than outlaws

[glad peak]

Yep, I built a deck for him way stronger than anyone else’s while fitting what he wants and he actually was about to win a game while dominating but lost because of a misplay. His response? “I wasn’t able to do anything for the entire game”

[trail anvil]

welp

time to find a new game

[golden plover]

Oh on the topic of building decks, I'm building one for my boyfriend (he knows the basics, played a long time ago and wants to maybe start playing commander). Would you say this is a fair enough Bracket 3 deck?

https://moxfield.com/decks/85bn0VRrOUKWlrNoVgCSfw

I know it's technically bracket 4 because it's got 4 gamechangers, but it's also otter tribal

[glad peak]

I think he found one and he’s in love with it but digimon has… a couple issues especially around my locals

[golden plover]

And I feel like that should knock a game changer point off lol

[glad peak]

We play digimon for him too but he’s souring on some parts of the game already

What’s perplexing is that in digimon he consistently says “blocker is cringe” but in magic he says “unblockable is cringe”. I want him to find a game but damn

[trail anvil]

I'd just avoid that unless people don't care about it at your locals

usually mine is fine but they also tend to focus on weird things in the brackets like the game changers

[golden plover]

Yeah imo I don't see why 4 game changers is "bracket 4" since they're just kinda generally good cards, but I think it being otters evens it out

I even intentionally didn't put deflecting swat in there

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t play grapeshot

[tardy echo]

Be an asshole

[glad peak]

Let me see, I think rhystic might be possible to remove without issues

[golden plover]

Oh trust me, I don't like grapeshot either. But I figured it's on the more middle power side of my options

[glad peak]

In lower power games rhystic is annoying but not as impactful

[golden plover]

Also budget isn't a concern for cards btw. I'm just gonna fully proxy it

I'm just not gonna throw in stuff like a volcanic island just yet

[glad peak]

My problem with grapeshot is that Alania just gives 1 more copy and no storm lol

[golden plover]

Oh shit you're right

[glad peak]

I think the creature that gives your next card storm is up your alley

[golden plover]

This is after I had to not make him Lutri

Because Lutri IS WRONG

[glad peak]

Nah lutri has an Infinite but it’s infinite spell casts and etb and there’s only 1 card

[golden plover]

Sad

[glad peak]

Actually there might be more that I forgot

But modern used to do it

[golden plover]

My options for legendary otters are super limited

So Alania is the best bet

[golden plover]

New patch, new arena GUI bug

[subtle sierra]

what you don't like your
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[hidden ermine]

Clearly they outsourced the patch to Dimir

[golden plover]

Also I lost a game because I wasn't allowed to attack their walker for some reason?

This update is buggy af rn

Small indie company

[trail anvil]

did you not restart the game

[golden plover]

I did

It fixed the text one

The couldnt attack a Planeswalker was after

[trail anvil]

I meant after the planeswalker bug

[golden plover]

Oh I did and I still couldn't attack it

[trail anvil]

ic

[subtle sierra]

i swear to god mtga is rigged land wise

[glad peak]

you're rigged

to have too many lands

[trail anvil]

or not enough lands

one of the two

[golden plover]

God dammit wan shi tong is $40 a copy still

[sleek ferry]

Card is honestly underrated this format

[golden plover]

I wanna board 3 into mono-green

But I don't $120 wanna board 3 there

I think it's mixed to bad everywhere else but if they're not allowed to crack their lands I'm up tempo

[vivid hatch]

Is that dogshit owl still expensive

wtf

[golden plover]

Yeah somehow. I wanna board a few but not at $120

That's 1/3rd of the deck's price

[copper pecan]

that was a bug?

[quiet edge]

I heard about the Jitte; apparently it's really good?

[subtle sierra]

Hmm my opponent has 105 life and 4 cornucopias i think i can win

Why do ppl not scoop

[glad peak]

Jitte Is very good

But remember that the context in which these cards you’re talking about are judged in 1v1 and commander has very different ideas for good cards

Like in 1v1 rhystic study is absolute trash

[tardy echo]

I mean it’s also worth evaluating what 1v1 formats rhystic is legal in

Card is only playable in vintage and legacy that’s why it doesn’t get played in 1v1

[golden plover]

Remember the annoying ass Ketramose players who won't scoop in a losing position? They play Excruciatiator now

Like in what world did you need to make me play out another 5 turns of this

I have 0 clue what topdeck they could've thought wouldve saved them

I did the math and even if they topdecked Excruciatiator they lose

[glad peak]

Historic, brawl, timeless and pauper

Even if 3 of them don’t count because they’re casual or arena only formats with little documentation, pauper is heavily documented and well known that rhystic is trash

Tbh I wouldn’t play rhystic in most standard formats either, the reason why rhystic is good in cedh is because it’s 4 players feeding it and because mana is super tight

[golden plover]

Dunno why this season was so hard to make it to mythic on (I think Dimir is just tough into some of the jank on ladder)

[golden plover]

WAIT this is really funny considering jitte is currently legal in historic

[glad peak]

Played my rushed version of slicer (basically my old red deck but swap out like 5 cards)

Deck is dirty with jitte and shroud

[trail anvil]

it is? I figure dimir would have the best matchup into jank as all rounder midrange

[golden plover]

A lot of the random one-off stuff is hard to answer. Notably mono-G

[subtle sierra]

Dimir has a lot of efficient stuff that hits vastly different stuff

So g1 you might draw the wrong stuff

G2/3 is better but you can still get hit by unexpected shit

Like you can have stuff like nowhere to run be not enough, then if you side it out you get hit by hexproof

[golden plover]

That and there's just a wide array of cards we could be playing, as well as cards they could be playing

Like I don't run phantom interference or really any counter but spell snare

Sometimes the counter comes up tho

[tardy echo]

Idk I think rhystic would def see at least some play in standard

The amount of dawdling that a lot of current decks do/ the amount of game actions they take

[zinc shard]

https://commandersherald.com/wotc-destroys-magic-30-product-to-commemorate-reserved-list-anniversary/

[glad peak]

It might see some play in standard but there’s 2 factors that make it pretty bad in formats that don’t have more than 1 person feeding it

If you don’t have fast mana then you waste 3 mana, and if it’s a fast format then you die but if it’s a slow format then they just pay the extra and be fine

But in fast mana formats you want a draw engine that you can control and win with

Which is why I’m saying the bracket 3 deck can remove rhystic without much issue

[subtle sierra]

it would def be a tech into lessons imo

[vivid hatch]

Pickup today

[atomic harness]

Why is your friend awful

[glad peak]

He wants to only play stompy or voltron but never protection or ways to get around interaction

Deck of choice? Sythis voltron

[atomic harness]

Tell him to play pokermon

[sudden lava]

TMNT cards arriving soon

[glad peak]

Nah he didn’t like that either, something about how he feels he can’t do anything to counteract the opponent

But doesn’t want to have interaction?

His views are very confusing

[tardy echo]

I mean

His views are that things should only be allowed for him and not others

He probably thinks other people shouldn’t play voltron either

[glad peak]

Nah when I asked if he should play interaction too, he said no

Asked him too regarding voltron and he said the game would be much better if it was just voltron vs voltron

[tardy echo]

Well I already gave my piece but

This isn’t really a viewpoint worth having any type of discussion with

[glad peak]

I know, that’s why I didn’t bring it up again until someone brought it back lol

At the end, our solution was just don’t let him play magic because we’re sick of hearing him talking about how bad the game was for basic mechanics (for example blocking shouldn’t exist but unblockable is cringe)

[subtle sierra]

[tardy echo]

Not to get political but I blame no child left behind word me @twilit canyon

[glad peak]

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/ian__robb/status/2026339242176057368?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Ian Robb (@Ian__Robb)

🙂

X · Feb 24, 2026, 4:51 PM

[tardy echo]

U don’t get what im cooking

Nclb is the reason why kids don’t feel shame for being stupid anymore

[glad peak]

true but he's also older than me and nclb didn't affect him

regardless though, it's gotten resolved until he decides he wants to try it again despite our hesitations

[subtle sierra]

i swear to god 50% of my losses on mtga are due to lands

this doesn't happen irl

just lost to fucking lessons siding annul into jeskai just cause haha funny lands

they saw cornucopia and decided that annul is the best course of action

[trail anvil]

simic:

[atomic harness]

How is your opponent still alive 😭

[trail anvil]

had to do most of that in my mp2 sadly cause I got the nut draw off of bonny pall

[sleek ferry]

[[go ninja go]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/149/go-ninja-go

Go Ninja Go <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one or both —
• Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
• Go Ninja Go deals damage equal to the greatest power among creatures you control to target creature an opponent controls.

[golden plover]

We should take the otters package away from arena players. I only ever see it make their turns take 1 million years

Also I'm not convinced Dimir is the move for portal? But I'm also not convinced portal is a real deck

[atomic harness]

Sorcery speed blink is crazy

[golden plover]

It's the only one they've got

Also, Sapling Nursery continues to annoy me

[tardy echo]

Let’s put ephemerate in standard

[subtle sierra]

noooo don't cut up my lion into vertical lines

[golden plover]

God dammit maybe I do need to buy 2 Washingtons

[sleek ferry]

Card is good in this specific meta, luckily, very few people are actually on it

[golden plover]

Nah? Most Mono-G landfall lists (the actual good one that runs earthbending stuff) are playing 3-4

[sleek ferry]

I’ve seen it maybe twice in the main vsing mono G in mythic

[subtle sierra]

not the best deck but i've encountered battlefront getting into stormchaser's and then stormchaser's gets it back

it was cute but it died to burn

[tardy echo]

They should make a tinker for enchantments

[golden plover]

Why did he not play the razorkin here

[subtle sierra]

why are there so many lesson players that think artist level 2 actually affects monument?

nice deck idiot

[glad peak]

Because it does

Makes monuments cheaper to cast by 1

[subtle sierra]

fuck i meant lv 3

[glad peak]

[subtle sierra]

i think they might have needed to keep a blocker

[glad peak]

Mistake? Now die

[subtle sierra]

wow another lesson player

bro you saw me shock myself t2 ofc i have no more lies

why would you tap out on t3 for a monument

they boomered my cornucopia twice

??????????????????

[glad peak]

every time i play slicer i'm reminded about how low the average skill level is

[subtle sierra]

like ik the guy will draw 24 cards but i let him cause he can't win with them

[glad peak]

you played a rhystic study and kept up no mana and had no blockers, of course everyone's gonna hit you, what did you expect

[subtle sierra]

let's tap out mana into control to level up stormchaser's

get lost idiot

bro died from 2 helix to face

bruh

again, they side fucking annul

lmao

ok i pushed this 5c budget deck to the limit i think

lesson players are so moronic

this land base is barely serviceable

[golden plover]

Budget
26 rares
8 mythics
Like $400 irl

[subtle sierra]

this account is like

a week old

and f2p

i got like 2 shocks from jumpstart

2 shocks i pulled

so this is just incredibly lucky pulls

i dread going into diamond without stuff like cori mountain or mistrise however

i was already pushing it

[golden plover]

Ah I see what you're saying lol

But yeah, surely you'd pivot to Jeskai Black?

[subtle sierra]

i have that too cause like it's the same deck

i wanted to test rakshasa's

for irl

i don't wanna buy stock up again

tbh the amount of times cornucopia saved my ass is incredible

card overperformed big time

although as you might guess without extra starting towns the mana base is sus af

you kiiinda need to draw green into cornucopia to fix it

the non lands though are solid, the only change i'd do maybe is move some spell snares to main, but mtga is so rogue central idk about it

although the last matches were like all lessons

[twilit canyon]

lowkey, i would lean to non-black myself

well

"non-black"

in the sense i'd still play rakshasa and maybe a few inevitables but

no black mana in my mana base

does this lean on cornucopia a lot?

yes

is it probably a more consistent mana base?

i think so

[subtle sierra]

irl i already bought 1 godless 1 watery 3 gloomlake so like

[twilit canyon]

treating bargain as a 4 mana spell

oh irl nw

[subtle sierra]

i get what you mean but already bought it

[twilit canyon]

cus u can invest in actual permanently useful cards/lands

tho on arena

could be something to try

[subtle sierra]

on arena i'm a new account guru

but yeah my next craft is mistrise and cori

then starting town

and if i pull a shock i pulled it 🤷‍♂️

[twilit canyon]

ye fair

tho can be worth ignoring planned black sources while u are in the new acc business

[subtle sierra]

still i think it's the first time i hit diamond and with a think a quite scuffed deck

i think it's an ok result

defeat target monument and wathching them scramble gives me life

lowkey god card

tbh main reason i dislike jeskai and i like jeskai black

[twilit canyon]

no yeah for sure nice to hit with scuff shit

i've broken my streak of hitting mythic every season since a few seasons back since i've been genuinely too busy to be able to play arena as hard as i could before

but i'd sometimes just make new accs to see how fast i could hit mythic with them with my best deck (rdw) and its satisfying to just crush past early ranks with a deck u know is flawed

[subtle sierra]

yeah it's a bit of an addiction for me

but i always end up pivoting back to control

there's a reason the guy that pulled me into irl calls me a control addict

[twilit canyon]

i do like playing control a lot thanks to playing a lot of aggro

but

i know my strengths

im a hell of an aggro player

[subtle sierra]

my agrro play is uh not good

very out of my element

[twilit canyon]

i like running into it on the ladder cus if they are not good at aggro mirrors u can immediately tell and they crumble

[subtle sierra]

best i can do is midrange

or combo

[twilit canyon]

atp... idt i have a archetype/deck type im honestly weak at

maybe some hyper specific combo lines but

thats natural

aggro helps u view things differently

[golden plover]

I know I'm weakest at control, which is funny when my main is midrange

I do think midrange is also good for learning other deck types since you've gotta learn how to dictate tempo

Obviously it's not the same, but it's really good for figuring out who is the aggro deck in a matchup

[twilit canyon]

all decks will eventually be good for learning other decks as long as u know what ur looking for to learn

ie: with aggro, learning control patterns upped my game heavily vs midrange and control

with control, knowing aggro patterns helps a ton

etc etc

[golden plover]

Yeah true, both are important to play around with

[twilit canyon]

and midrange juggling both

[golden plover]

Funnily, I always wanna be doing combo but I just feel like combo is such a miss rn

I know Bant Airbending is like a thing but it's not really there imo

[twilit canyon]

combo doesnt feel great in standard rn to me

tho i will admit

[subtle sierra]

Idt bant is build correct imo

[twilit canyon]

im not playing nearly as much standard

[subtle sierra]

But that's rich of me to say that

[golden plover]

I don't know what the correct build for Airbending would be. I feel like it's just not strong enough most of the time

[subtle sierra]

I played it with a secondary combo in the form of [[jackdaw saviour]] and a copy guy like [[visage bandit]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/18/jackdaw-savior

Jackdaw Savior <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird Cleric
Flying
Whenever this creature or another creature you control with flying dies, return another target creature card with lesser mana value from your graveyard to the battlefield.
3/1

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/76/visage-bandit

Visage Bandit <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Shapeshifter Rogue
You may have this creature enter as a copy of a creature you control, except it's a Shapeshifter Rogue in addition to its other types.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
2/2

[subtle sierra]

It increases consistency by having more pieces, almost guarantees aang hits, and is more resilient to removal due to jackdaw float

I feel like current builds wanna highroll too much from badger into fulcrum rn

They previously highrolled from badger into rhythym

[golden plover]

The only "real" combo deck I saw in standard rn is Azorious otters

Unfortunately that deck isn't playable on Arena

[twilit canyon]

ig not lol

[subtle sierra]

Tbf so is bant, i have to stop at 20 tokens

[golden plover]

This list looks super strong

But again, it doesn't work on arena

Hmmm actually

[subtle sierra]

Oh what's the combo here?

[fallow citrus]

deadass don't think there is one lmao

[subtle sierra]

I assume we're cloning firdoch with command

But i don't see the loop

[fallow citrus]

it's just firdoch core is every creature type so you're playing the best typal support in colours in standard

I asked a friend when they showed me

[subtle sierra]

Idk floodcaller screams combo

[fallow citrus]

and they just said "Win by combat damage"

[subtle sierra]

I just don't see it

[golden plover]

Clone core and loop [[Syggz's Command]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/244/syggs-command

Sygg's Command <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Kindred Sorcery — Merfolk
Choose two —
• Create a token that's a copy of target Merfolk you control.
• Creatures target player controls gain lifelink until end of turn.
• Target player draws a card.
• Tap target creature. Put a stun counter on it.

[golden plover]

You deck them out

[subtle sierra]

How do you add command back, talent?

[golden plover]

Yup

This combo has too many steps to work on arena

But it's the closest to a real combo deck I've seen in the format

Wondering if we could get away with Temur Otters again with Core, Speaker, and [[Ashling's Command]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/205/ashlings-command

Ashling's Command <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Kindred Instant — Elemental
Choose two —
• Create a token that's a copy of target Elemental you control.
• Target player draws two cards.
• Ashling's Command deals 2 damage to each creature target player controls.
• Target player creates two Treasure tokens.

[golden plover]

It's unfortunately the only command in temur

[subtle sierra]

Yeah but won't you lack mana for that

[golden plover]

The cores tap for mana

They go infinite with [[Valley Floodcaller]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/79/valley-floodcaller

Valley Floodcaller <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Flash
You may cast noncreature spells as though they had flash.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Birds, Frogs, Otters, and Rats you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. Untap them.
2/2

[golden plover]

It's the same idea as the Temur list, but your parts feel slightly more resilient

I do think this list maybe pivots to Temur tho and runs a mix of both wincons

Unfortunately I think Ashling's being 5 makes the start rougher and it being an instant doesn't matter

[twilit canyon]

if only we had yorion

[subtle sierra]

oh right i forgor

floodcaller has text

[twilit canyon]

ik yorion is technically the only reason to be over 60 but it'd be funny to just slap in an extra 10 lands to splash temur colors here + just play both combos

[subtle sierra]

wait isn't [[restless anchorage]] a bird

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/280/restless-anchorage

Restless Anchorage

Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add or .
: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 2/3 white and blue Bird creature with flying. It's still a land.
Whenever this land attacks, create a Map token.

[subtle sierra]

LMAO

uhh if firdoch is still an artifact does he still stack the +1+1?

[twilit canyon]

uh

yes...? dont quote me on it tho

[subtle sierra]

sigh this is tempting me to make a new acc...

this is technically 10 rares ignoring the consult

[golden plover]

Don't lol

This deck doesn't work on arena

You'll run out of time before you can click all the way through your combo

[golden plover]

Technically Temur can justify it with [[Ashling's Command]] but Temur colors forces our interaction to be much worse

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/205/ashlings-command

Ashling's Command <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Kindred Instant — Elemental
Choose two —
• Create a token that's a copy of target Elemental you control.
• Target player draws two cards.
• Ashling's Command deals 2 damage to each creature target player controls.
• Target player creates two Treasure tokens.

[twilit canyon]

interaction?

greed

out

[golden plover]

Losing Seam Rip and our board cards isn't as ideal

[twilit canyon]

you either combo and kill

or you die

[golden plover]

I think there is a potential real list in here tho ngl

Only because having both combos means you can pivot the axis

I just feel like the mental strain of this list would be unreal

[subtle sierra]

don't tempt me with a good time

[golden plover]

The question is how much can we consolidate this into

Interestingly [[Soulstone Sanctuary]] is also an otter and elemental

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/133/soulstone-sanctuary

Soulstone Sanctuary

Land
: Add .
: This land becomes a 3/3 creature with vigilance and all creature types. It's still a land.
By tradition, travelers touched the pillar for good luck. One day, it decided to travel as well.

[subtle sierra]

he also enters untapped

[golden plover]

Yeah true...

[subtle sierra]

like you can still anchorage and man it and then untap but i think it's worth mentioning

[twilit canyon]

we are at the stage of "a colorless land wont fuck up our curve ever" in the combo delegation checklist

[subtle sierra]

[golden plover]

These are the cards we need for both lines

Vibrance is a potential one-off because we can grab it with speaker or evoke it to get Soulstone/Fixing/Removal

[subtle sierra]

if you're teching vibrance as a one of i think wistfullness is a consideration too

[golden plover]

That's true

[subtle sierra]

for the enchant removal

[golden plover]

The issue is how many fucking slots do we have

[twilit canyon]

80 cards

what slots

[subtle sierra]

yeah uh the bant jackdaw thing i only played cause aang swift and airbender ascension double as removal/disruption

so like idk if this is viable here

your only in engine removals are boomer and ashling, one is meh as removal the other is 5 cost

[golden plover]

Temur colors really hurts our interaction

But I think the combo is much more consistent

So the tradeoff is tough

[subtle sierra]

i found that having a safer combo is better than having a million combo pieces

which is why i never played the early iterations of bant with a million dorks

it just folded to interaction and had no slots for interaction itself

the new approach i had leaned a lot on jackdaw reactively reviving shit or mitigating wipes

if it didn't do that the combo pieces wouldn't have been worth

unless your combo is a "1 carder" like reanimator kiiinda is, i think playing it slower is better

[golden plover]

I think the thing is both combos can happen on 4 at instant speed

This isn't as cool as something like Ygra tho

Ygra can pop off in response to removal

[glad peak]

Fuuuuuuck had to ban another person from our already small playgroup again

[subtle sierra]

anyways i gotta sleep but if you figure something out ping me saint

my friend has those cards so i might borrow it for one locals or smth

[golden plover]

Yeah unfortunately this list is also probably like $500

[glad peak]

They brought proxies of their landbase where they were women ||(or girls) with varying levels of undress depending on power level||… yeah gtfo

[golden plover]

The Azorious version doesn't have to run badgers

[subtle sierra]

oh right badgers

i forgot that

nvm then he doesn't have them

i will suggest azorius to him tho

i think he will like it

[golden plover]

Yeah but on the flip side, the Azorious version isn't playable on arena at all

[subtle sierra]

yeah my friend is a long time player so he has a lot of shit

he regularly borrows stuff to other ppl

[golden plover]

Again, you CANNOT play the Azorious one properly on arena

[fallow citrus]

wait how do you keep adding the merfolk card back

am I being stupid

[golden plover]

The timer will get you because you can't just demonstrate loop

[subtle sierra]

nah i'm talkiong irl now

[golden plover]

Stormchasers

[fallow citrus]

it only does it once no?

[glad peak]

At this point we’re gonna run out of players other than the core 6

[golden plover]

Presumably you've got a combination of boomerang, get out, and 2x stormchasers

Get out with 2 will do it

[fallow citrus]

so we have enough mana to cast 2 stormchasers and level them up PLUS cast the command each time?

this doesn't sound real

[golden plover]

You've got infinite mana

The mana isn't the issue

[subtle sierra]

core is a mana rock and floodcaller untaps it

[golden plover]

And you make a new core each time

[fallow citrus]

sure but you have to keep casting the spells to have that happen

[golden plover]

Yeah but presumably if you get the combo started they can't stop it

That's how the Temur variation operates too

[fallow citrus]

oh sure it copies the core and the core isn't a creature

I just got hung up on the cores not having haste somehow

[subtle sierra]

sygg just mills so the haste doesn't matter

[golden plover]

No worries there's a million moving pieces here

[fallow citrus]

yeah no I meant like

[subtle sierra]

yeah it's a bit hard to see

[golden plover]

And yeah, Sygg's other mode is milling them for game

[fallow citrus]

tapping core for mana bc I forgot it wasn't a creature unless you made it one

[subtle sierra]

like i can see a world where you have half the combo and just bash them with cores

have one from previous turn

have floodcaller boost it to infinite

you can also technically loop not infinitely, but for a few times to just draw the rest yourself

then mill them

they won't have the next turn might as well draw your own deck too

[golden plover]

I mean, that's why I'm also eyeing flipping this into Temur

Because that world is the standard Temur version wincon

Ashling's would let you see a wincon no matter how their board looks tho

I dunno, I just wanna play Neoform combo in standard

[subtle sierra]

i was about to say you could infinite draw into catharsis then remembered how it works

before i go

restless spire is an elemental

so idt you need sanctuary

[golden plover]

Not sure that's relevant enough since we'd have to activate it

It is better than sanctuary in that it's colored tho

[subtle sierra]

and it's the cheapest restless

you can look at it as a firdoch that enters tapped

it eats a land drop and 2 mana to animate

[golden plover]

Nah them entering tapped means it's not usable

We can't untap elementals

Firdoc and Sanctuary both an elemental and an otter

[subtle sierra]

oh forgor

ok nvm then

[golden plover]

Yeah every part of this deck is too many parts lol

[subtle sierra]

changeling land when

[golden plover]

That's Soulstone

[subtle sierra]

nah have it as firdoch text

[golden plover]

Theoretically it's also [[Mutable Explorer]] but I don't think he makes it

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/186/mutable-explorer

Mutable Explorer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
When this creature enters, create a tapped Mutavault token. (It's a land with ": Add " and ": This token becomes a 2/2 creature with all creature types until end of turn. It's still a land.")
1/1

[subtle sierra]

ik it'd be broken

yeah i saw mutable in golgari demon lists

[golden plover]

Technically that doesn't come in tapped

[subtle sierra]

it's cute

[golden plover]

As long as you're copying an active mutavault

Boutta have an esoteric 5c combo deck that looks incoherent to anyone who hasn't seen this chat lol

[sleek ferry]

I've considered mutable

card is just good

[golden plover]

Not for what we're toying with

We're theoretically trying to reinvent Temur otters lol

Or Azorious otters?? I think Temur is correct tho

[glad peak]

So, funny thing you can do: activate mutavault with mutavault then combo

[golden plover]

Yeah that's an option too

Oh there's the whole value of the SL goblin deck

[vivid hatch]

I hate borderless cards at this point

Almost universally

[stark skiff]

damn thats sick

[golden plover]

@subtle sierra So in some very quick testing: [[Ashling's Command]] doesn't really do much for Temur Otters. Core tho? That card is cracked for the deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/205/ashlings-command

Ashling's Command <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Kindred Instant — Elemental
Choose two —
• Create a token that's a copy of target Elemental you control.
• Target player draws two cards.
• Ashling's Command deals 2 damage to each creature target player controls.
• Target player creates two Treasure tokens.

[subtle sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[golden plover]

Core can be hit off Thundertrap, it's extra mana, and it can be a blocker ig

[subtle sierra]

Blocker for 4 mana sounds rough but ig

[golden plover]

Theoretically we're never blocking here

We're taking as much damage as we can, then comboing off

[subtle sierra]

tmnt prerelease having lorwyn promos? how unexpected

[glad peak]

Who could’ve seen this coming

[zinc shard]

There's no fucking way

[tardy echo]

I mean it makes a lot of sense when u think about it

It’s not like they accidentally just put tmnt cards in the wrong boxes and had 2x the amount of promos or something

[past socket]

[trail anvil]

two-headed giant

[atomic harness]

What's with people ultra coping on tivit? @fallow citrus @glad peak @twilit canyon https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0MlZnm-nHu8

and why the bollocks would I play tivit when I could just be on blue farm

also having to mull for interaction when you take forever to setup and etali/rogsi/kinnan/blue farm just kicking your shins in does not seem like an effective gameplan

especially when the guy in your command zone is a fat blob

[twilit canyon]

tivit is fun

[glad peak]

Because it used to be good

[vivid hatch]

cedh is not a real format

[glad peak]

And it’s super fun

[twilit canyon]

genuinely, a lot of cedh decisions come down to that lol

[atomic harness]

It's fun yeah but I dont think it's good

[glad peak]

Every cedh decision loses to “why not play blue farm” lol

[atomic harness]

rogsi and etali

[glad peak]

You mean blue farm without the grind game or silence and blue farm without blue?

[atomic harness]

I guess its like the other decks here that arent blue farm are way more justifiable

[glad peak]

True, it’s just commander but actually fun

[atomic harness]

dont get me wrong I like esper and tivit is a g but I dont agree w ppl saying it's rly good

p much

[twilit canyon]

its an honest question that cedh does ask itself... is there really any other reason to play a deck besides blue farm aside from "its more fun?" and the answer is very frequently "i find x and y or z and v more fun"

[vivid hatch]

Why would you ever prefer cedh to 60 card

[glad peak]

People go to final table with literally anything

[vivid hatch]

Edh is fun because it’s casual

[twilit canyon]

cedh is very much casual

[vivid hatch]

Casual edh

[glad peak]

I don’t, I’m a certified edh hater

[twilit canyon]

we are literally discussing playing suboptimal decks because they are fun

[glad peak]

Cedh is the most fun version of edh because it’s casual

[vivid hatch]

That’s not cedh then

[atomic harness]

Yeah I like cedh

[twilit canyon]

it is indeed cedh

[atomic harness]

like id play yoshithras its very suboptimal but also fun

[glad peak]

If someone plays the 4th best deck in standard at the pro tour are they suddenly not a competitive player? I thought not

[vivid hatch]

If they do so because they feel that’s what’s the highest EV for them, then they’re competitive

if not, they’re not doing it right

[glad peak]

So competitive is a mindset?

[atomic harness]

also mud rogsi tends to be a little faster than blue farm no? at least that's what I see in the vids and what ppl say

[vivid hatch]

yes pretty much

[atomic harness]

Like turn 1-2 ad naus/ turn 1 necro type stuff

[glad peak]

Then me playing non-blue farm decks is my mindset that I have a better matchup against other players so it’s competitive now

[twilit canyon]

1-2 turns faster

[atomic harness]

Yeah so it leverages the speed as the advantage

[twilit canyon]

blue farm can consistently win on 3-4

rogsi on 2~