Magic the Gathering

[fallow citrus]

is there a way to just plop this on the board in commander
https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1985783582791495902?t=r9D5-sbiIRVdJC8Nhl5mNw&s=19

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive)

This card is super interesting. Making your lands tap for three is great. Casting it is risky since if it's countered you still lose half your lands, but if you can cheat it into play it seems pretty pushed.

X · Nov 4, 2025, 6:57 PM

I assume so I'm just being lazy and not looking

[storm elbow]

Of the top of my head, cant you just yuna this?

[fallow citrus]

should have said in simic

I wanna just cheat this out in tatyova and land all over the place

[steady onyx]

omniscience :0

[fallow citrus]

[sudden lava]

Could also just sacrifice earthbent lands

[fallow citrus]

ig I could show and tell ir

but that sounds horrendous in commander

[sudden lava]

also Kona

[fallow citrus]

oh duh

although idk if this is even worth it in the deck

[sleek ferry]

It is if half the cards you sac are earthbended

[fallow citrus]

true

[sleek ferry]

Oh wait Kona would just cheat it out nvm

Don’t even need to sac

[broken fjord]

Watching mtgtubers argue about why Rhystic shouldn't be banned is a good way to lower my iq, holy crap. Just no good arguments given.

[glad peak]

It’s a casual format, no bans should’ve been there in the first place

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

wait lmao

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FixupX · Nov 4, 2025, 2:39 PM

[broken fjord]

Only if you can trust commander players. But you can't.

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-throwing-money-throw-money-shelley-long-bette-midler-gif-26630501

[sudden lava]

Actual Weiss Schwarz art

[stark skiff]

Holy shit wtf these are bangers

[glad peak]

Even with a banlist you can’t trust commander players, that’s a given

[broken fjord]

I promise I'm different though. Trust me. Don't mind that my hands are behind my back.

[stark skiff]

Yea all the reasons for it are stupid.

[broken fjord]

No

[broken fjord]

But the reasons for not banning it tend to be stupid. There are good reasons no one's using.

[subtle sierra]

\

ba sing se is kinda crazy

[stark skiff]

Hey we were right in MaRos preview

Wall Commander let’s go

[last glen]

there should be a card about the traitor earthbenders with deathtouch that counters this card for the flavor

[subtle sierra]

idk if these were posted

i think this was leaked before

[lusty trench]

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X · Nov 4, 2025, 9:06 PM

HUH

[steady onyx]

?

[lusty trench]

They putting the free spells in a single product now

[steady onyx]

oh so this is whats in the commander bundle?

[sudden lava]

Flavor win, the drill can penetrate the walls of Ba Sing Se

[lusty trench]

Apparently you can get 3 out of the ones anove

[steady onyx]

ok

[lusty trench]

And swiftboots, sol ring, and arcane signet

The guardian ship, swat, worldly, mystic and enlightened are gonna be money

[sudden lava]

Also heck yeah we got kyoshi battle fan, its basically monk fist from FF but for ally.

[last glen]

what's the other side

[subtle sierra]

oh oops

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1435387698440568892/tla-the-walls-of-ba-sing-se-via-v0-33alvf9a2bzf1.png?ex=690bc877&is=690a76f7&hm=36dc08a402f9c99dd67a687ab75010261560c6b96a9ccc1f3d81b108c9333116&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=579&height=809

alt art for the walls

[subtle sierra]

was

[stark skiff]

That’s a big d

[glad peak]

Oh that’s actually a sick control card

Wait, commander set

[stark skiff]

https://i0.wp.com/questdaily.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/IMG_5514.png?w=716&ssl=1

[tardy echo]

Kona

[stark skiff]

There are no commanders in Ba Sing Se

[subtle sierra]

god i fucking wish

[twilit canyon]

destroy commander

[storm elbow]

it cannot be regenrated

[stark skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252175743512084480/1435396603430043670/x8wwmph2gbzf1.webp?ex=690bd0c2&is=690a7f42&hm=3dd87035126bd08f0cb342770618378ceb982b104592c601d98a331b3a05b213&=&format=webp&width=586&height=818

[zinc shard]

"The Walls of Ba Sing Se are impenetrable!"

The humble [[Ankle Biter]] :

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/153/ankle-biter

Ankle Biter <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake
Deathtouch
"Little tip, newcomer. Give your boots a shake in the morning before you put them on." —Annie Flash, to Kellan
1/1

[gritty nest]

Actually a funny commander that I’m glad is seeing a reprint despite it being avatar

[last glen]

okay but
what if we played Walls of Ba Sing Se as our commander

[gritty nest]

Even better

Also, who should I build for commander? [[!Otrimi, the Ever-Playful]] or [[!Snapdax, Apex of the Hunt]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/12/otrimi-the-ever-playful

Otrimi, the Ever-Playful

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/209/snapdax-apex-of-the-hunt

Snapdax, Apex of the Hunt

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1985786314017341909?t=EZdc3XFv0-7I-1EK4YKX-Q&s=19

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X · Nov 4, 2025, 7:08 PM

[sudden lava]

Or the literal printed counter in the set for monoblack, but Ankle Biter is funny :3

https://tenor.com/view/outdare-snake-snake-snake-outdare-outdare-snaaaaaake-gif-21454119

[sudden lava]

Fun but I got a sillier idea

(you would need a way to make legends not die to legend rule tho)

But yeah non-legend clone effects on Ba Sing Se so that the clone protects the original and vice versa

[glad peak]

ok this i like a lot

[gritty nest]

I low key regret getting rid of the felothar precon because of the new 0/30 lol

[subtle sierra]

Holy instant 4 of for me

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/SvdPKEB4Db8?si=L9b-ccQ5f8D0hx-r

[subtle sierra]

Why is this so blurry

There

[zinc shard]

South Pole Voyager

1W

Creature Human Scout Ally

Whenever this creature or another Ally you control enters, gain 1 life. If this the second time this ability has resolved this turn, draw a card.

2/2

R

[subtle sierra]

@fallow citrus ally tribal

[twilit canyon]

kind of a solid card

if u can chain allies together, this should be good

this + a 1 mana ally on t3 i solid

[zinc shard]

this curves into Bant Katara which gets you the card draw i believe

[[Katara, the Fearless]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/230/katara-the-fearless

Katara, the Fearless <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
If a triggered ability of an Ally you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
"I will never, ever turn my back on people who need me!"
3/3

[atomic harness]

@glad peak is blue farm the way to go, little one?

Was thinking rog thras or tymna kraum

RT is harder to play I think

[atomic harness]

uh oh

[fallow citrus]

oh nice

[fallow citrus]

very very rough first draft https://moxfield.com/decks/RX4uVC7jy06LZRoO_jfW1A (water tribe rallier is the new south pole voyager)

[subtle sierra]

404

Did you set it to private

[fallow citrus]

oh bother

try now

[subtle sierra]

Uhh as much as i like aang idk if he fits here

And I'd add more shelters, you lack removal, at least i think

This isn't control so my brain blank

[fallow citrus]

I think aang works in this because he's the type we need, also provides us with a way of dodging stuff like doj for a turn

worst case we just flash him in on the end step and he's a flier that removes a creature from the opps board

copium they make ally champion of the parish

[stark skiff]

https://preview.redd.it/tla-obsessive-pursuit-ildelmo-v0-sdl5ytmnmfzf1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ebeab479b27b9cdc21dff9346c6d012eec1878bb

Enchantment

When this enchantment enters and at the beginning of your keep you lose 1 life and create a Clue Token.

Whenever you attack put X +1/+1 counters on target attacking creature where X is the number of permanents you sacrificed this turn. If X is equal or greater than 3 then that creature gains lifelink until end of turn.

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1hI0RVA3TkA?si=QK7Tl9XsSs6GXSpP

[sudden lava]

Name should be something along the lines "Obsessive Pursuit"

[sudden lava]

https://i.redd.it/vmefxiqy7gzf1.jpeg

https://i.redd.it/0yxwuw1lpgzf1.jpeg

https://i.redd.it/cp8weuutpgzf1.jpeg

[trail anvil]

oh hey, the owl's foxes?

[fallow citrus]

the owls do what

[trail anvil]

oh they FOXIN

[copper pecan]

bruh that last effect is so evil

[subtle sierra]

@fallow citrus

[fallow citrus]

it's all coming up millhouse

[fallow citrus]

4 mana could have at least given 2 tokens

[fallow citrus]

interesting 1 drop for the deck

most it'll ever be is a 3/2 in bant unless we play some odd cards

and it's not impossible to get the wubrg especially if we play great divide guide

but I'm not sure we do play it in the deck so who knows

[sleek ferry]

[[great divide guide]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/181/great-divide-guide

Great Divide Guide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Scout Ally
Each land and Ally you control has ": Add one mana of any color."
"Who's ready to cross this here canyon?"
2/3

[sleek ferry]

Eh even if you did

7 mana for earthbend 5 is a lot

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

was more looking at that as a bonus

bc the other 1 drops are momo and [[earth kingdom protectors]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/17/earth-kingdom-protectors

Earth Kingdom Protectors <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier Ally
Vigilance
Sacrifice this creature: Another target Ally you control gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
"Stand your ground! The Earth King must be protected!"
1/1

[fallow citrus]

[[momo, playful pet]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/30/momo-playful-pet

Momo, Playful Pet <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Lemur Bat Ally
Flying, vigilance
When Momo leaves the battlefield, choose one —
• Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
• Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
• Scry 2.
1/1

[sleek ferry]

I wonder if simic aggro is better now. Earthbending restless vines talk on t2 is kinda crazy

[copper pecan]

i was about to say hybrid zuko seems crazy for limited but then i realized this was a jumpstart card and not a main set card

[sudden lava]

this was not I thought the 2wubrg would be at all, thought maybe a legend. Neat tho

[sudden lava]

Gotta love how one of the subthemes of the set is old people lesson typal. Goes right into Iroh, very nice mana dork

[zinc shard]

Here's the Blood Moon effect

[glad peak]

That’s no blood moon of mine

[twilit canyon]

this is not my goat

[last glen]

brain check
if a nonbasic land has a non-Mountain type
can it still tap for another color other than red under blood moon

[twilit canyon]

nope

[zinc shard]

nope. Blood Moon makes them just tap for red

[twilit canyon]

nonbasic lands are mountains means that they become mountains

means they tap for red

and they lose all other effects

[zinc shard]

kinda wish Zhao had Firebending, makes more sense with his ability

[sudden lava]

Guess his hands are too full of a fish to firebend

that said, firebending can help pay for the 7

[fallow citrus]

wow that is dogass

[golden plover]

Imagine getting your one in 24 pack bonus sheet card and it's... Meteorite

[fallow citrus]

well it'll be good in standard rdw because everyone is playing nonbasics so it gives you another turn but still

[golden plover]

Look they made him legendary so you have to understand that a blood moon in the command zone is scary to casuals so he's... 9 total to get the blood moon

[fallow citrus]

foiled again by commander

[golden plover]

Literally

Magus is 3 mana

He could've been fine as Magus 2.0 if he wasn't legendary

[fallow citrus]

could have even just been like

if a creature dies he gets the counter

[golden plover]

Honestly that'd be better and more flavorful

[fallow citrus]

ig you just have to like

use firebending to get the mana to put the counter down

but that's so much setup for it

[golden plover]

That's the limited goal I think

But it's lame and really should have been him seeing a creature die

[fallow citrus]

also he's a 2/2 with no protection

[glad peak]

Honestly it would’ve been fine to have him he just legendary magus

[golden plover]

Ehh commander players would've complained

But if you're playing him as the commander for the sake of blood moon in the command zone, you give up a lot of better options

So... Who gives a shit

[glad peak]

Truly casual players (the chill ones) won’t know the blood moon effect isnt a yavimaya effect, decently casual players (also chill) won’t use nonbasics, and “casual” players (the insufferable ones) will complain about anything

So literally nothing is lost

[golden plover]

Literally

He wouldn't have been cedh viable or anything either

You'd be playing worse Magda

[glad peak]

No, Magda’s too strong to be compared to magus in command zone

Id say most build around are too good to be compared to magus in command zone

[golden plover]

Yeah I just dunno what to compare him to

[glad peak]

Zhao could’ve been a 3 mana 2/2 blood moon maybe with menace to justify legendary and he wouldn’t be good

Alas, another concept dead because of commander

[tardy echo]

9 mana for a 2/2 blood moon hmm something seems off here

[zinc shard]

according to Scryfall this is the first card that makes all nonbasic lands enter tapped

[copper pecan]

it's not

[[emeria archon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/4/archon-of-emeria

Archon of Emeria <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Archon
Flying
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
Nonbasic lands your opponents control enter tapped.
"Archons dispense justice according to an ancient, and flawed, premise." —Nissa Revane
2/3

[copper pecan]

oh wait this only counts your opponent's nonbasics

[zinc shard]

ye other effects are one sided

[trail anvil]

oh didn't even realize this was symmetrical

[sleek ferry]

I would say in this given standard, Zhao could possibly have a place in the side

It’s a decent enough firebending payoff that completely fucks over control adjacent decks and 3+ color decks

And it should only scale up once we complete our shocks in Lorwyn

[[multiversal passage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/180/multiversal-passage

Multiversal Passage

Land
As this land enters, choose a basic land type. Then you may pay 2 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
This land is the chosen type.
New worlds await...

[sleek ferry]

It’s funny how multiversal passage has just completely taken starting town’s spot btw

Multiversal passage just turning on all your Verges makes the mana so smooth nowadays

Post Lorwyn you can run any 3 color combo you want without issues

[tardy echo]

Both together is certainly still nice

But yeah passage is crazy

[sleek ferry]

Eh, you would need the life loss to be inconsequential

And that’s frankly not possible in a world where aggro is alive and well

[gritty nest]

Casual edh players melting into a pile of rage seeing a balanced stax effect:

[tardy echo]

Idk I still see a fair share of starting town

Especially in uw/3c decks that don’t have good shocks

uw/wg/gr/ub/br all lost fast lands and only 2(?) of them have their shocks so sometimes u need the extra mana

[sleek ferry]

UW still has its verge + wants to play 3-4 surveil lands and multiple man lands

[tardy echo]

Yes but I also still see ppl on town sometimes just for the extra untaps

[fallow citrus]

https://fixupx.com/MagicWithZuby/status/1986144153214836922

Magic With Zuby (@MagicWithZuby)

WoTC why would you do this? This feels lazy and not confusing at all.

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FixupX · Nov 5, 2025, 6:50 PM

[copper pecan]

only the promo art of day of the black sun looks like that and it was only given out at conventions

there are barely any copies of it

the regular art looks completely different

[tardy echo]

It is still rather odd

It mostly just feels lazy

Esp when the bsz version of the art actually looks good

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry @glad peak if Kraum sticks he's actually insane right

[[kraum, ludevic's opus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/34/kraum-ludevics-opus

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Horror
Flying, haste
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw a card.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"It lives . . . IT LIVES!" —Ludevic, necro-alchemist
4/4

[atomic harness]

Although ofc you don't go for it unless you arent doing anything else

Or if the win attempt gets stopped and you have to midrange a bit

also this might b insane but I hate mox diamond

[twilit canyon]

kraum is great if it resolves yea

[atomic harness]

Thank you fausty

[steady onyx]

god spy combo fucks

such a fun deck

like the walls can also just win a fair game ngl

hardcasting like generous ent sagu wildling and troll can just win games

without ever comboing

[glad peak]

it's a fun deck but i think you're stunting your growth in a format by playing it

[atomic harness]

Thank you mudkip

Also mudkip help me in cedh

[glad peak]

Thank you Mr. Renren

what help would you like?

Kraum's another draw engine that lets you draw 1 more card with tymna

very good pairing not including that it's 4 colors

[steady onyx]

i dont disagree

but i like this deck so muhc

[atomic harness]

Thinking if I should go tymna Malcolm or tymna kraum

4 colors might be too overwhelming for Mr Beryl

[glad peak]

they're both very very different decks

[steady onyx]

like @glad peak curious what you would say I play in pauper

imma keep playing spy cause i like the deck

but im curious what u thik

[atomic harness]

Yeah I wanna cope on esper even though it's not as good

[steady onyx]

then cope on esper

[glad peak]

i think it's fine to play but i would not recommend only playing that deck

[steady onyx]

but what else then?

im down to pick up another deck

[glad peak]

i would say play other decks alongside spy, probably terror and/or affinity

jund is also pretty fun but not necessary for growth (if you play terror then you'd probably get better at jund on your own just from experience)

[steady onyx]

black sac?

[glad peak]

i wouldn't play another combo deck along with spy

unless there's another black sac deck i missed

[steady onyx]

like thbe more aggro?

unless that is considered a combo deck

[glad peak]

yeah, i think playing a deck whose win con is just attacking with efficient creatures is a good way to get better at a format

[glad peak]

tymna malcolm you can get a mana advantage; tymna kraum you have more combo lines but primarily get more card advantage

i don't think you can compare them as similar decks

[zinc shard]

Land

This land enters tapped unless you control a basic land.

T: Add W.

3W, T: put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

R

[atomic harness]

I was thinking about rog thras or rogsi at first but then I'm missing out on the Uber epique white cards

[glad peak]

welcome back gavony township

[atomic harness]

Voice of Victory, Grand Abolisher, Esper Sentinel, Lotho

tithe-chan

[glad peak]

rog thras is a ramp deck lol

[atomic harness]

Yeah the cradle stuff

it's also really hard

[glad peak]

if you like rog thras or rogsi then you'll be more comfortable on tymna kraum

[atomic harness]

I think I also really like being able to cast the commanders so yeah might give tymna mal a spin

Just need to learn the win lines

Thoracle, steal thoracle with praetor's grasp, hullbreaker?

[glad peak]

yep

you go thin on wincons to focus on control with mana

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

Noooo i can't use this in control

[glad peak]

you can, it just won't be great lol

[subtle sierra]

I mean sure but the risk of it coming in tapped outweighs the benefit of sometimes boosting a fish or two

Imo

[zinc shard]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/799250288258220032/is-raid-deciduous-now-there-have-now-been-two

Raid is Deciduous now

[gritty nest]

Do you guys like gifts?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704499853857652847/1386534892854313032/ezgif-61cff86651c058.gif

[sudden lava]

depends, whats the gift

[gritty nest]

[[jinxed choker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/189/jinxed-choker

Jinxed Choker <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, target opponent gains control of this artifact and puts a charge counter on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, this artifact deals damage to you equal to the number of charge counters on it.
: Put a charge counter on this artifact or remove one from it.

[gritty nest]

Or [[transcendance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tor/20/transcendence

Transcendence <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
You don't lose the game for having 0 or less life.
When you have 20 or more life, you lose the game.
Whenever you lose life, you gain 2 life for each 1 life you lost. (Damage dealt to you causes you to lose life.)

[sudden lava]

Not particularly a fan of either of these, tho I can see Transcendence in Iroh 🍵

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1436026368767819929/tla-accumulate-wisdom-from-the-card-image-gallery-v0-abxmbpilvnzf1.png?ex=690e1b46&is=690cc9c6&hm=ac2b1c53cc1c12fd6a7dab3362dc2e4d61ba2f2c9daededb234c6aeb8cfaf89b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=576&height=804

Ooh I like that flavor, if you have learned lessons (because they are in your graveyard you possibly casted them earlier) then you are rewarded with a 2 mana draw 3.

[fallow citrus]

God imagine if this was 1 mana

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1436023836993650848/tla-meteor-sword-v0-5a0xk465unzf1.png?ex=690e18ea&is=690cc76a&hm=0d929079189a881ec0079a32ae4745e027788b01eeaec1e6894f30fea568c36e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=576&height=804

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7MYbkqfYVZJWG4aOGAghQax0aCc9Ct4K0pZNowtWNaY/https/i.redd.it/i7d6bwlhtnzf1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=576&height=804

[zinc shard]

[[Meteor Golem]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/256/meteor-golem

Meteor Golem <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact Creature — Golem
When this creature enters, destroy target nonland permanent an opponent controls.
The impact sent the soldiers scattering—then something came out of the crater.
3/3

[fallow citrus]

didn't even realise the sword can blow up lands

[storm elbow]

finally, we can destroy lands too

i assume there are like

equipment revival effects

[fallow citrus]

yeah

or you could blink it

[[flickerwisp]] etc

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/11/flickerwisp

Flickerwisp <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Elemental
Flying
When this creature enters, exile another target permanent. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
Its wings disturb more than air.
3/1

[storm elbow]

i just thought flicker was more creutres than just permanents

[glad peak]

Flickerwisp can also exile lands for the turn

[atomic harness]

@glad peak @twilit canyon Thugs showed me the amulet manifesto

@atomic harness this crash out is crazy https://x.com/mistakenn1/status/1986267655041417572?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Mistakenn (@Mistakenn1)

Today I want to talk about so many people crying over Amulet.
It's interesting how everyone wants to play the most broken cards in the format and no one wants to lose. One proof of this is the game against Amulet. I don't know why everyone is fine losing against

X · Nov 6, 2025, 3:01 AM

[glad peak]

Easier than it looks, right?

[atomic harness]

Does the deck absolutely need analyst? it existed before right
Maybe they could take that away

Since ppl are complaining about analyst in particular

[glad peak]

If they don’t admit that the deck’s gotten piss easy in the past couple iterations they’re kidding themselves

“Hours of adaptation to meta changes” is just how toolbox decks develop

They can remove analyst, spelunking, the amulet bug, and saga and they still would be mid/top tier

Mid is where they deserve to be

[atomic harness]

Yeah I was thinking don't kill it but hit some stuff

[glad peak]

You can remove the past couple years of support and it’ll still be fine

The amount of support it’s gotten is completely insane

[atomic harness]

Also they're super privileged to live this long considering how stuff like rhinos, living end, yawg, hogaak, izzet murktide, rakdos scam, etc ended up (dead and/or unplayable)

[sleek ferry]

Amulet players are honestly the last people that should be complaining, they've literally gotten years of meta play

it's time

[tardy echo]

Everyone does want to play broken cards and nobody does want to lose, that’s why titan is so popular and wins everything

Genuinely no clue what point that’s even supposed to be

[sleek ferry]

Realistically, I think there's a very high chance modern doesn't get touched this banlist and they wait till next banlist

and make november 10th all about standard

[tardy echo]

Idt u have to kill titan but also pretending it wouldn’t have fully earned it by now is insane

[glad peak]

They’ve gotten years of meta play, have decks worth of win conditions and their best card has multiple cards that do almost the same thing that they can’t fit them all into the deck anymore

[sleek ferry]

The deck turned a crazy corner when they got shifting woodlands too

[glad peak]

Before that was saga, then garenbrig, then dryad

Not to mention boseiju, all the land untappers, analyst

[tardy echo]

But also I don’t think there’s anything especially different about titan now than previous formats where they hit it by just shooting a random land

[glad peak]

Deck’s changed win cons at least 5 times in the last couple years

[tardy echo]

ie cloudpost

Well not that cloudpost is a random land but idk

[sleek ferry]

also, from early theory I'm following for the avatar set, earthbend might go crazy in legacy, so I would not be surprised to see earthbend find its way into modern also and even within amulet titan itself

[glad peak]

Amulet Titan wasn’t a deck when cloudpost was legal

[tardy echo]

No instead it was just a deck that happened to also be playing titan and had the same play patterns as titan

[glad peak]

Earthbended urza’s saga

I remember it being a deck that was just get 7 lands and win the game

[sleek ferry]

earthbend is so crazy when you think about it in formats outside standard

[atomic harness]

Holy I'm in

so after 3 it dies, you just go back to 1?

[sleek ferry]

yeah, because it died

[atomic harness]

isn't waterbending just bootleg convoke improvise

[sleek ferry]

basically yeah

waterbending is easily the worst

except for that one draw card

that one is nice

[tardy echo]

Convoke 20 take an extra turn gg

[sleek ferry]

I just got my UHC credits so i ordered another box of avatar

so make that 3 boxes of avatar coming my way

[tardy echo]

In a sense isn’t that what amulet titan rn does

[sleek ferry]

There's one real man's deck in modern, and that's https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-ruby-storm#paper

[tardy echo]

Was actually just watching mengucci play this deck

[sleek ferry]

Mengu = 🐐

[twilit canyon]

mengoat

[fallow citrus]

earthbend wasteland go crazy

[glad peak]

Mayhaps

But they can argue it’s “more complicated” because they have to remember… 3 more triggers

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/sixmp5/status/1986429809174716581?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

justin (@sixmp5)

learning amulet // learning prowess

actually playing prowess // playing amulet

X · Nov 6, 2025, 1:45 PM

[tardy echo]

I would maybe argue post turbo was a more complex deck actually

Bc sometimes u had to evaluate r/r of glimmer vs cloud and copying glimmer with vesuva instead to get an extra turn

Also because you had to count to a higher number than you do with regular titan

[past socket]

skinwalker

[sudden lava]

Why don't they search 2 cards? The cards name is Twin Tutor

[trail anvil]

lore wise it's a shame you can't access old creatures, but balance wise it makes sense lol

using this with an entomb sounds fun

[sudden lava]

I knew Koh would be printed, and the art is horrifying.

[past socket]

The full art reminds me of those schematic arts or monster manual arts

[zinc shard]

Is this the most Creature Types on a card? (Not counting Changelings)

[sleek ferry]

oh, white haywire mite but worse

[steady onyx]

what about pauper

[steady onyx]

its more like a white insidious fungus i think

personally

[sudden lava]

idk if any 5 type ones exist, but it tied with this scout

[steady onyx]

cause its 1 to play then 2 to use effect

but this gains life and fungus rampsd

[glad peak]

Oh huh I have a bunch of consign to memories from when I wanted to update Murktide but never had the chance

Guess I have the full deck again (even if it’s bad)

[lusty trench]

Fellas its that time again

https://x.com/wildstwawberry/status/1986505052522226035?t=MlUV_A9IFIVJJ0j1DWKyKQ&s=19

winnie! (@wildstwawberry)

Ruwen Liu - the artist behind this Toph is also the creator of ‘Nijijourney’ - a software AI generated anime images that partners with Midjourney directly and Waifu Labs, another AI anime portrait creation site. She also made a game that uses 100% AI generated images.

🧵

X · Nov 6, 2025, 6:44 PM

[copper pecan]

i looked at her blog and it seems like she also does hand drawn stuff

[past socket]

CENTRE SQUARE BAYBEE

[copper pecan]

she has a deviant art with stuff posted way before ai took off so she can definitely draw the normal way

[past socket]

Saw this in another server and I’m on team “Wait for a response.”

Since this is not the first time we’ve dealt with AI art accusations that have been disproven

[lusty trench]

Ye i dont know myself i just dont like wotc working with people that literally run ai companies

[past socket]

Especially in the last couple of months like with Spider-Man UK and the TMNT full art basics

This comes off like a Motte and Bailey to make an accusation of using AI as much as I’m iffy of it too

I just like the card because it’s another take on the Gruul Spellslinger archetype

Like Gruul Wort and Blanka

[lusty trench]

Its the kind of thing gruul doesnt get to do often ye

Usually that's because they cannot for the life of them think of what to do with izzet beyond spellslinging

[past socket]

Outside of Artifacts anyways

[lusty trench]

Oh yeah that too

[past socket]

Though they’ve been trying recently for sure

[copper pecan]

the thing is red and blue don't have a whole lot of overlap

[golden plover]

I can see it going either way, her style is kinda like that. But there's also definitely some sus elements (like the hair)

Either way, she probably shouldn't be picked as an artist moving forward

Also the sash is the wrong color

Toph's sash is either black or dark green

[sudden lava]

Toph hardheaded teacher working in the Old Man Lessons deck is pretty fun, given how she befriended Iroh

Did we get a Piandao card in temur?

[copper pecan]

quieres

[past socket]

pff

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/ashleybits/status/1986437921121980503

Ashley Bits (@ashleybits)

"Ugh, how is my opponent so good?"

The 12 mini-mengus I cloned to play all my cube drafts for me:

X · Nov 6, 2025, 2:18 PM

[gritty nest]

Ngl that face looks ugly as shit

[steady onyx]

@glad peak played a bunch of pauper games against friend to practice
spy v burn - lost 1-2
spy v caw gates - lost 0-2
faeries v caw gates lost 0-2
i played caw gates v him playing faeries 0-2
faries into burn - won 2-0

i learned im complete ass, but with spy my losses aginst caw gates were me just being trigger happy and wanting to spy but i was just winning game wiht walls combo and shitting out like ents and trolls and i lost due to decking

for faeries i just dont udnerstand the deck that muhc but the burn mu feels like a joke

i would love to practice each deck more and maybe also try out the 6land spy wiht chris because thats more midrangy with spy as an endgoal and I can play more midrangy and just idk I wanna try it

[sleek ferry]

I go either way on this, but I would like to add Winnie is one of the worst people in this community with how bad and out of touch 90% of her takes are

[sleek ferry]

Repost Jesus

[subtle sierra]

oop

i was at locals and thought i only missed the ai thing

[fallow citrus]

I think I might be everything that's wrong with the world

and craft w&6 for brawl

[subtle sierra]

mermail

wren and six

aeri no...

[fallow citrus]

ouroboros handloop is not telling me not to build a deck

[subtle sierra]

hey it's laplacian loop now

[fallow citrus]

as if they don't do the same thing

[subtle sierra]

laplacian does more

[fallow citrus]

ah even worse

[trail anvil]

do it tbh

abuse it for as long as wizards refuses to address it

[fallow citrus]

good thing is like

the deck is still clean without it

[trail anvil]

yeah it's just gruul midrange with a strip mine alt wincon

[fallow citrus]

just wait until they ban strip mine and print wasteland

[gritty nest]

Is it morally wrong to target the guy who rolls a die for who to target?

The answer is no

Actually decide who you’re gonna target

[past socket]

What if they’re on Ruhan

[gritty nest]

Okay if it’s forced random attack that’s whatever

I had someone roll a die for who to swords once

That’s the shit I mean

[glad peak]

The proper thing to do is put the dice away while they’re rolling it and tell them “Choose someone you coward”

[tardy echo]

I fear this is the only way to get her banned

And there’s a chance they ban strip without touching w6

[atomic harness]

Any rishadan port fans in chat

[trail anvil]

there's also a chance they just ban neither because it's brawl

[tardy echo]

True

[zinc shard]

There's a list of commanders i just insta scoop against.
Wrenn and Six
Laelia
Fynn

Basically any commander that I need to mulligan to find removal for or I just lose

[trail anvil]

what decks are you running

laelia you need to find removal for, but if you find a single piece of removal then they autolose lol

[glad peak]

welp playtested murktide after so long and the only deck the opponent had was legacy burn

still had a 50/50 matchup even with my main/side not having tools for burn because i didn't have any cards for it

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1371350916242079805/1436199666986516583/image.png?ex=690ebcab&is=690d6b2b&hm=5208f163f28a599ce17ca6980c9cef7b4a1fc00b8a4133c2d62387111b7a16bd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=484&height=668

Um, why doesn't this give firebending

The other 3 bending lessons does their mechanic, and then this is just a kicker deal 5

[hidden ermine]

It's a payoff for it

[atomic harness]

@glad peak I found these lists but im not feeling them fsr https://moxfield.com/decks/tsmbCtDhPEeqoYcC_ZcEaw https://moxfield.com/decks/jgjHU8VA8Uay4FnAgSnnlA

[atomic harness]

Made a few tweaks

https://moxfield.com/decks/msnfnRwRKkOnV9fjBtuc9Q

[fallow citrus]

https://moxfield.com/decks/RX4uVC7jy06LZRoO_jfW1A

okay I actually don't know what to trim now

Oh neat, modal thoughtseize

[atomic harness]

Holy this is really good

[trail anvil]

what do you think this would mostly be used for? I'm thinking discard decks when you've exhausted their hand but maybe there's another use I'm missing

pilfer on one mode isn't a horrible rate too

[atomic harness]

Agreed komi

is there some kind of mono b tempo running around or dimir mix

Could be cool

[tardy echo]

Dimir right now would prob play that

[sudden lava]

I guess, but still feels out of place with the other 3. It would be like if earthbending lesson doubled the counters on a land creature you control.

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4wYqkberzE

Ooh, all team avatar game

https://i.redd.it/8bmsczq1zuzf1.jpeg

Monoblue repeatable draw (I say monoblue cuz it wants more islands)

[sleek ferry]

This would be fine if cryogenic relic wasn’t so ridiculously easy to make an infinite value engine

[stark skiff]

Here's another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1W9-w1UeFA

[sudden lava]

ty

[zinc shard]

https://edhrec.com/commanders/gran-gran

This page is hilarious

[copper pecan]

there are already 913 gran gran decks?

wait why are people running [[soldevi simulacrum]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/222/soldevi-simulacrum

Soldevi Simulacrum <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Soldier
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
They look human—until they bleed.
2/4

[copper pecan]

???????????????????????????????????

[zinc shard]

Elder tribal

[sudden lava]

B1 elder tribal

[copper pecan]

oh i get it

[trail anvil]

hell yeah

[copper pecan]

age counters

[sudden lava]

the stronger version would be Iroh Grand Lotus, but Gran-Gran is a fun choice

[zinc shard]

on an unrelated note, gotta work on my Boulder deck

[sleek ferry]

Oh the bad players have started complaining https://x.com/willerker/status/1986878202099179681?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Will Erker (@WillErker)

This design kinda sucks. Ur gonna have games otd were u cant match the red decks curve bc ur 2nd and 3rd land get ported. Idk why all the red designs have to be so goddamn miserable. ( i do know actually its bc of 3 year standard )

"JuSt PlAy mOrE bAsIcS"
shut ur dumbass up

X · Nov 7, 2025, 7:27 PM

[twilit canyon]

destroy commander

[sleek ferry]

The funny thing is he’s a 60 card format player

Living off the glory off playing in a PT in 2018

[past socket]

Hey we know Zhao’s bad rather than the never-was here

[tardy echo]

I mean he’s just complaining that mana disruption feels bad

Which,,, it does

Regardless of how present or not the card is it doesn’t feel good to play against idk why we’re clowning on ppl for saying that

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamer

[sleek ferry]

It hurts decks on 3+ colors more than anything. Post Lorwyn we’re going to have one of the best mana bases standard has ever had. There is 0 issue with this card’s design existing

[atomic harness]

Sigh these kids never played against rishadan port and it shows

Word me cake

[twilit canyon]

mana disruption can feel bad sure but the mana disruption complaints are so unreasonable

[sleek ferry]

Also, you literally side this out if you’re on the draw

[trail anvil]

isn't this just thalia minus a big part of her effect really

like it's good tempo but not busted

[atomic harness]

Thank you komi

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry @glad peak I can finally play the good format

[glad peak]

This ain’t the good format

It’s certainly better than the other version though

[atomic harness]

Slightly better format I guess

[broken fjord]

The more I read about peoples' experiences with commander, the more I realise why I enjoy it as my main way of playing mtg moreso than others. I'm an emotional sadist I think it's called. When I stopped a win attempt a few days ago and the player disconnected I genuinely enjoyed that. I know most people don't think like that, but reading discussions online makes it seem that people get more bummed or annoyed that people get that mad. I thought people usually just shrugged it off.

I enjoy the weird saltiness that permeates the format. I do wonder why it sticks around if it makes everyone so uncomfortable though.

[glad peak]

I think you mean you’re a masochist

If this were a format for sadists I’d love it

[broken fjord]

No. I love pissing people off.

I moderate my behavior

But if people get mad at me for stopping their pushes, then all the better.

Are you messing up masochist and sadist definitions? Because if I was a masochist I'd have to be getting off on my own suffering

[glad peak]

No, I’m saying you’re a masochist because you like suffering (playing commander)

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

you pulled this?

gj

[atomic harness]

Oh no avatar isn't out yet

[subtle sierra]

yeah prerelease is next week

hopefully i do

i want him

[trail anvil]

sounds like a lack of whimsy skill issue tbh

[trail anvil]

gl gamer, he's gonna be the chase card for sure

[subtle sierra]

oh yeah he will

but i play uw and it sounds i'll need like 2 copies of him at least

[atomic harness]

Even casting him for UU is good right? In response to a search

[trail anvil]

I like the idea of him as a control wincon but I don't imagine you're gonna search nearly as much in standard?

I feel like formats with fetch lands and/or tutors are the strongest for this dude but I could be wrong

[atomic harness]

Yeah not sure about searching in standard

but you can draw a bunch

is ad nauseum washed up? People have been cutting it

[glad peak]

If being a masochist is whimsical then you may accuse me of not being whimsical

[subtle sierra]

idrc about the draw on search

it's a flasher that i can spend all my mana on to convert into draws and a strong creature

[trail anvil]

ye it's a solid wincon, that message was more in response to ren's comment

[subtle sierra]

ah ok

you can still force the search with stuff like demolition field

[trail anvil]

flying vigilant flash scaling drawer is already nuts

[subtle sierra]

but i don't really bother with that part

[sleek ferry]

Wan shi is cool, idt hes going to be the chase though

[trail anvil]

true

[copper pecan]

what if he was a horse and his name was juan shi tong

[trail anvil]

what do you think will be the chase, badgermole cub?

just realized this card pays for itself, that's kinda revolting

[steady onyx]

when we playingh

[glad peak]

Badgermole def

Wan Shi looks like a card people try in Modern for a bit before dropping

[trail anvil]

I just figured wan shi tong was overloaded enough to see play in basically every format. control wincon + fetch land punish within modern, but the fact that the draw is mandatory may be a legitimate downside into bowmasters

[atomic harness]

Sigh... obm-chan is too powerful

[trail anvil]

but badgermole paying for itself the moment it drops then creating a 2 mana producing dork with haste is nuts

[sleek ferry]

Badgermole for all formats, Appa, Aang swift savior, Momo, Mai for standard

Zhao will probably be a couple of bucks also, but his value scales up post Lorwyn. Same for all the lesson matters cards post strixhaven

[trail anvil]

where do you think appa is gonna slot into?

zhao I feel like will be a bit more than that just cause he seems like a nice tempo piece in monored especially if screaming nemesis gets banned

[sleek ferry]

I can see Appa in Esper or even Boros anything. I think the card’s flexibility to either reset your ETB’s or just protect you from a boardwipe is amazing. The token creation is an added plus as well

The card is very much white curiosity in that it does everything you would want out of white on a solid body

[atomic harness]

Appa = goat

[stark skiff]

No. It’s a bison dummy.

[atomic harness]

This kid quit yugioh

[sleek ferry]

Adam is free? Hooray

[trail anvil]

wait it says permanents hot damn

now I wanna try him as a commander

[glad peak]

Now I don’t like zhao very much because he was neutered for bad reasons but in his current form he should be a good addition to mono Red as a good bear

[trail anvil]

neutered how so

[glad peak]

Should’ve just been a magus of the moon with keywords because legendary

Or if they wanted to keep him at 2 mana then at least make it cheaper for the blood moon effect to actually work

Because the way it’s at right now it can’t do what it’s advertised to be able to do without you losing the game before

[copper pecan]

they don't want it to be easy to set up floodgates like that

[glad peak]

It’s a totally fair effect

[trail anvil]

I'm glad you aren't a designer lol

[glad peak]

not liking blood moon is a skill issue

-anti titan league

[sleek ferry]

I mean Zhao is good as is, you just got to actually be good at deckbuilding to utilize it lol

Something I hope you achieve one day Mudkip, being good at magic

[glad peak]

you don't need to be good at deckbuilding to utilize him, he's a generically good 2 drop

[gritty nest]

is that a krabs tithe?

[glad peak]

he could've been so much more

(yes i'm advocating for blood moon in standard)

[gritty nest]

we talking about the 9 mana blood moon?

[past socket]

Non-basics entering tapped is non-basics entering tapped

[gritty nest]

yes

[glad peak]

the decent aggro piece that has flavor text for 7 mana, yep

[gritty nest]

dont say that in front of an edh only player

they'll call it a game changer

[past socket]

I’m terminally a player of the format people aren’t a big fan of here but even I try to get perspective from 60 card enjoyers

Especially to make jokes about X Format All Star Y

[gritty nest]

i only play edh and realize i hate edh players

[lusty trench]

My lgs did the standard showdown event yesterday

No one showed up

Literally no one

Should've rocked up with 60 swamps and taken the prizing lmao

[steady onyx]

ive been going recently to them

and we legit have to bring everyone from school to get them to fire lol

[sudden lava]

what color combo is looking to be the best for prerelease?

[sleek ferry]

It’s 3 days before we get a new standard, makes sense tbh

We also got prerelease next week

[stark skiff]

Yes sir. Imagine still playing the same shit every month @atomic harness

Moving into Riftbound soon

[sleek ferry]

You trusting riot to not run riftbound into the ground like LoR?

[sudden lava]

Chris confirmed the prerelease seeded character card will be the uncommon of that one

[past socket]

I’ve got the Fell For It Again badges ready

Also not dealing woth the League of Legends propaganda

[sleek ferry]

I mean yes, but the biggest red flag is that 30 of their cards had to receive day 1 erratas

That’s fucking embarrassing for a new tcg

[steady onyx]

wait why lol

[stark skiff]

It was mostly clarifying how things worked.

[trail anvil]

we don't allow non yugioh sales on this server, nor trading/selling outside ygo_marketplace

[sleek ferry]

Looks like their account got hacked, I’ve seen them around and never seen them post anything like that

[trail anvil]

you sure? their whole post history looks pretty similar to me

[sleek ferry]

Maybe I’m mistaking them for somebody else, ignore me

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon https://x.com/claudiohmtg/status/1987528428279542262?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A another horrible opinion on red cards

claudioh (@claudiohmtg)

Sometimes you will also get locked on turn 3 by firebending student, the red cards lately have been extremely unbalanced and unfun. Huge issue with big standard is that cards that suck to play against but maybe are not bannable ( nemesis, lynx, zhao(?) )are here forever.

X · Nov 9, 2025, 2:31 PM

(Guy wants lynx banned in standard and pioneer)

[twilit canyon]

lynx lmfao

[sleek ferry]

I’m about to go off on his dumbass

[steady onyx]

lynx??

what

lynx is like such a good designed card ??

[trail anvil]

is this dude playing monowhite lifegain?? lmao

[gritty nest]

can anyone put me out of misery so i dont have to build this deck i lost a bet on

[zinc shard]

what deck

[gritty nest]

There’s for some reason

An art tag on scryfall for cleavage

I feel like that’s all I need to say about the deck

[stark skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQomdgM4Huc

[sleek ferry]

Final ban predictions for today:

Proft
Vivi
Cauldron
Screaming Nemesis
Enduring Curiosity

[golden plover]

God I wish lol

I'm gonna be pessimistic and assume it's just Vivi

[sleek ferry]

They’re 100% just going to hit both Vivi and Cauldron so neither side of the argument can bitch

[golden plover]

Won't fix anything but they'll get to go "standard is saved" until the next problem Izzet deck shoots up next week

Hitting cauldron too is fine, yeah

[sleek ferry]

If they don’t hit Curiosity they’re trolling

[subtle sierra]

they will hit something random like drowner

[golden plover]

If they don't hit Proft's they're trolling

Proft's has to go

The fact that Vivi's backup plan is so much stronger than most deck's main plans, and has ridiculous card selection is absurd

Killing Vivi means they'll literally just pivot to whatever new problem Izzet build they can do for 3 tier 0 formats in a row

[fallow citrus]

seen the legacy cope already

or rather the mental breakdown

https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/1oteelm/br_leak/

not real at all btw

[sleek ferry]

Expecting Modern and Legacy hits in general is probably not real tbh

There’s a slight chance we get modern hits, but the optics of current modern might be too good for WotC to want to make a change now

[fallow citrus]

I'm seeing people either want tamiyo or entomb or reanimate to be banned

which is fair but like I feel as though doing unfair reanimate things is a huge legacy staple so I probably expect tamiyo to get the hammer if anything

[sleek ferry]

I would love to see the community (mainly Titan players) explode at amulet getting banned though

[golden plover]

Didn't they say that Reanimate is one of those cornerstone cards they won't ban?

[fallow citrus]

this is why I expect tamiyo and not reanimate

[golden plover]

Iirc they have some dumbass rule that specific cards get to live for free because they're a cornerstone to a format

[fallow citrus]

tamiyo also saying "reanimate twice" is insane

[golden plover]

It's why pioneer has treasure cruise lmao

[sleek ferry]

Tbf Tamiyo is a completely ridiculous card

[golden plover]

I think brainstorm is one of the other ones

[fallow citrus]

I don't think it's that stupid of a rule it keeps the formats clearly defined

like legacy is the brainstorm ponder format

pioneer was a treasure cruise format

[golden plover]

I mean, stuff like Treasure Cruise being safe is kinda dumb

Brainstorm isn't that bad of one to keep around

But Treasure Cruise is not an okay card lol

[sleek ferry]

Vintage cube on arena made me realize that Tamiyo is twice as broken as I initially thought

[golden plover]

Tamiyo is broken as hell yeah

Realistically she should go

But...

I'm almost certain this banlist is gonna be:
"Standard
-Vivi
Modern
-No changes
Pioneer
-No changes
Legacy
-No changes"

[fallow citrus]

I was like "damn tamiyo kinda alright" and then when you read brainstorm it's like how is this card legal

also the fact that you +2 and it protects itself

[twilit canyon]

yeah its the reanimate format

[fallow citrus]

you could almost argue it's just better delver for being a 1 blue value engine

[twilit canyon]

they wont ban reanimate they'll ban tamiyo if anything

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

[glad peak]

I want to see amulet banned because they have 2 other ways to do the same thing, both of which are either played or in consideration to be played

[twilit canyon]

amulet gone would be better for the deck/format i think but im biased

[atomic harness]

Tamiyo = goat

[steady onyx]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025

lesgo

god

i liked nemesis

im sad

i think that it was obv the correct ban

but it makes me sad

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1437472066923266200/image.png?ex=69135daf&is=69120c2f&hm=3a48ef75bbe229b244b68b46007e8cc842be88a233e430685f29ef0e5faccb36&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=280&height=930

[steady onyx]

honestly i like everything on this list

[copper pecan]

it's crazy how long mana drain got to stay in brawl despite being obviously broken

[glad peak]

my friend bet eating his shirt that vivi won't get banned

his biggest mistake was that he didn't specify which format

[steady onyx]

better be a yummy shirt

[glad peak]

he's about to eat 9 shirts

[steady onyx]

im SO happy they hit profits

like SOOO hapy

that card is a bitch to play against

[glad peak]

• the guy who thought pioneer was the best format because mono red?

No longer likes the format

[steady onyx]

bro i wanna play hartfire

[copper pecan]

i don't think pioneer players actually exist

[glad peak]

There’s one guy in my circle who certainly tries to convince people he does

Same guy I posted about a couple days ago regarding him thinking it’s the best format because he can play mice aggro

[sleek ferry]

mostly correct hits. I think not hitting curiosity and Cauldron could come back to bite them in the ass, but let's hope Avatar shifts the format enough so that dimir isn't the best deck

[steady onyx]

mayhaps but will u honor my request mr thugs

[atomic harness]

Curiosity is the goat little Thugs

[sleek ferry]

honor your request? What am I, King Arthur?

[steady onyx]

just show me the cool decks from avatar I can play!

[golden plover]

Ayy they actually did the correct bans

[steady onyx]

gm

im debating buying a legacy deck

tf would I buy

or not buying straight out

but maybe working twoards it

[glad peak]

just buy delver like most people do when they start

and then drop it almost immediately because you start losing, like most people do when they start

[steady onyx]

but

but

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onUrdyK_TDoNPXKEUrhm4yeFpU7VktlJ_9Xz2WfMu18/edit?tab=t.0

imma look thorough this list

[golden plover]

Also the Vivi ban part mentions they didn't test Vivi with soul cauldron. Definitely shows they don't get as much play testing in as they'd like

[steady onyx]

right

i frogot they actually tell you why they banned cards

🤣

im too yugioh pilled

[steady onyx]

oops :p

playing oops is pauper and oops in legacy

[glad peak]

oops has got to be the pinnacle of the learning vs playing the deck post a couple days back

regarding prowess vs amulet difficulty

[steady onyx]

hm

deaths shadow

oops

painter

but i kinda want a deck that I can upgrade with a dual

my locals is 10 proxy limit

[golden plover]

Actually surprised they didn't hit Leyline

[sleek ferry]

guildpact?

[steady onyx]

"There are versions of Mono-Red that forego Screaming Nemesis, instead opting for cards like Leyline of Resonance and Slickshot Show-Off for a faster and more all-in version of the Mono-Red deck. Despite such a deck winning Magic Spotlight: Spider-Man in Baltimore a few weeks ago, we believe that this strategy is more inherently attackable than the versions of red that play Screaming Nemesis."

unless u were talking about diff format

[golden plover]

Mono red Leyline

[sleek ferry]

it's literally a non issue in bo3

[golden plover]

I don't think it's as good

But I think it has miserable play patterns

[sleek ferry]

the biggest issue leyline is literally guildpact

[golden plover]

And that's a valid reason to get rid of it

[sleek ferry]

if that doesn't get hit, nothing will

[golden plover]

You might as well coin toss each game you see Leyline

[steady onyx]

[[leyline of the guildpack]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/217/leyline-of-the-guildpact

Leyline of the Guildpact <:managw:292901508977000448><:managu:292901509035851788><:manabg:292901508863754241><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Enchantment
If this card is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Each nonland permanent you control is all colors.
Lands you control are every basic land type in addition to their other types.

[glad peak]

death's shadow -> delver is a common pipeline

[steady onyx]

what about painter?

[glad peak]

painter's pretty alright

[steady onyx]

thats what ive been playing full proxy

[fallow citrus]

crazy that they banned entomb in legacy

[steady onyx]

but idk

[fallow citrus]

did not expect that

[steady onyx]

if i can even do it with 10 proxies

like 4 tomb 4 urza? 4 painter??

im alsready over

[sleek ferry]

I called the 0 changes to modern

[fallow citrus]

yeah it's not surprising

[glad peak]

painter being able to play aggro and combo is very nice

[fallow citrus]

modern isn't thaaat bad right now

[steady onyx]

how u play painter aggro btw just curiosu

[fallow citrus]

like amulet needed touching sure but thats it

[steady onyx]

when I was playing combo

i didnt feel there was aggro

cause my only creatures

were a 1/3 painter

and some goblins

[glad peak]

kappa and emissary

[steady onyx]

ooh

like in the ub pauinter?

i like tht variant

[fallow citrus]

can't believe they didn't ban ring or tamiyo in legacy though

[steady onyx]

u run the assasisns creed card

that is like a small kappa

[glad peak]

you forgot 3-4 mopal

[glad peak]

the one i'm used to is ur, running kappa cannoneer to try and kill in 1-2 hits if combo isn't there

[steady onyx]

interesting

that seems fun

ive tried turbo in mr

and then a more midrange with painter as a combo if needed in ub

[fallow citrus]

and spy combo has a positive impact?

[steady onyx]

i mean

i think its healthy to have a combo deck in a format

[glad peak]

oh wow i'm only 12 cards away from delver

[steady onyx]

high tide is an objectively unfair combo deck tho

[fallow citrus]

yeah just the combo deck they like

[steady onyx]

like im sorry but

the combo turn is horrible

spy is at least like a quick combo

high tide is just misreable to play and miserable to play against

[fallow citrus]

if they have combo and you don't have the interaction just scoop

[golden plover]

Wait is Nadu banned everywhere now lol

[steady onyx]

and miserable for the tournament thats running

[glad peak]

if the high time combo turn is horrible then the titan would've been banned wayyy earlier

[fallow citrus]

they just dont like high tide so they banned it I don't think it's that deep

[steady onyx]

but sometimes u can wiff high tide combo tho

??

[fallow citrus]

it's the yorion excuse

make game take long me sad

[glad peak]

because the titan win con right now is literally the nadu win con

[steady onyx]

i mean im just happy they didnt hit spy because i just bought it

but outside that

i do think high tide is a worse combo deck for a format

[glad peak]

bounce everything, destroy all your lands other than basics, make a huge board, in about 2 hours

[twilit canyon]

entomb is pretty crazy of a hit ngl

[fallow citrus]

if modern can have ruby storm and amulet then I think pauper can have 1 annoying deck

[steady onyx]

idk i dont play modern

but i get what ur saying

[steady onyx]

why?

[twilit canyon]

pillar of the format

[steady onyx]

oh

ok

[fallow citrus]

banning entomb over tamiyo is insane

[glad peak]

nah, reanimator is the pillar

entomb, technically isn't

[steady onyx]

my friends who play more legacy then me

were sad about no spy ban and no tamiyo ban

[fallow citrus]

also ig mystic forge is just the best deck now

[twilit canyon]

ik entomb is technically not the pillar but its the consistency piece to reanimator by far

[steady onyx]

does entomb kill reanimator ?

[fallow citrus]

yes

[steady onyx]

hm ok

can u not play like the 2 mana dumps?

[fallow citrus]

sure but the deck's still dead

because the only other one is [[unmarked grave]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/106/unmarked-grave

Unmarked Grave <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search your library for a nonlegendary card, put that card into your graveyard, then shuffle.
"I'm sure they were once someone important, but I couldn't tell you who they were." —Doros, expedition guide

[fallow citrus]

so you can't get atraxa or griselbrand

[steady onyx]

ooh

i forgot this was nonlegendary

[fallow citrus]

you could do [[buried alive]] but that's so cope

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/273/buried-alive

Buried Alive <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to three creature cards, put them into your graveyard, then shuffle.
The scrape of shovels and the tumble of cold dirt soon muffled their pleas.

[steady onyx]

hm ok

[tardy echo]

Legal in vintage smile

[copper pecan]

sometimes the best strategy is having a bird man repeatedly put on and take off a pair of shoes

god bless

[glad peak]

if bird then why shoe

[tardy echo]

Also can’t wait for w6 to still be insane in brawl without strip

[twilit canyon]

from strip to boseiju

or ghost quarter cus u know them greedy ass brawl players will never play basics

[glad peak]

tbh at this point boseiju should get hit lol

[tardy echo]

I mean tbf I think both of those are infinitely less broken than strip

[twilit canyon]

thats for sure

[glad peak]

win con for nadu, win con for amulet, what's next

[tardy echo]

But also w6 has 2 other modes that are both also stupid

[fallow citrus]

wdym making every 1 toughness creature non viable is fine

[tardy echo]

The kids have never seen a w6 ult resolve because they just get stripped before the game lasts that long but Joely moly

That shit is stupid

[tardy echo]

Mmm I love orcish bow masters

[golden plover]

God Mono-Red players are upset they lost their free "do everything card" and it's kinda funny

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt have banned nemesis because i want non-red players to have a bad time but whats their cope?

[fallow citrus]

me when the bow masters are rather orcish

[golden plover]

"It dies to every black and white removal spell with no recourse, it was just good because black and white weren’t played"

[fallow citrus]

me when I lie about the format

[golden plover]

Nemesis did literally everything and invalidated entire archetypes

Did wasn't fair

[copper pecan]

i was not aware of the high tide splice deck they talked about in the pauper section, sounds neat

[fallow citrus]

it was neat

[twilit canyon]

it was indeed

[glad peak]

high tide splice was pretty annoying but if that were legal then there was no reason to keep atog banned

[twilit canyon]

this is true, they need to unban it now

[glad peak]

turn 3 combo that sometimes whiffs or turn 3 combo that sometimes whiffs and you lose the game if it whiffs

[atomic harness]

Amulet is untouched, the copers win again @twilit canyon

[golden plover]

My 3/3 for 3 that can't be blocked and turns off your whole deck is actually fine guys

[twilit canyon]

it is

[glad peak]

unblockable? why are you blocking

[golden plover]

Nemesis is just so obviously a problem and does literally everything the deck would want to do

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon no fury or grief unban, game sucks

[tardy echo]

Grief can actually smd dude

[atomic harness]

Sigh kid do you want thoughtseize to do that too

[tardy echo]

Thoughtseize is annoying but grief is actually cancer

[fallow citrus]

grief persist was a perfectly healthy gameplay loop

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/bdcp5-GEdvE

[atomic harness]

[tardy echo]

Same w fury but there are far less people who pretend fury was okay

[sudden lava]

Why is VeggieWagon not on CabbageMerchant

[twilit canyon]

its fine

[sleek ferry]

We’re getting healthy grief in Lorwyn

[tardy echo]

Word

[atomic harness]

Ya modern's good dw

just miss my rakdos scam

[glad peak]

Modern’s good, even better without rakdos

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

Grief persist is healthy

Grief undying? Nahhh

[atomic harness]

Oh what's the difference

[glad peak]

1 mana

[tardy echo]

One of them is 1 mana and technically has counterplay

Both are pretty cancer though idk gang

[steady onyx]

hate me i like persist outside fo combo applications

[glad peak]

The counterplay is have 2 removal spells

And if they see you have 2 removal spells then they just won’t undying

[trail anvil]

THEY REMEMBERED BRAWL EXISTS

I'M GONNA CRY OMG

[past socket]

Brawl can take off the clown makeup for a bit, as a treat

[trail anvil]

these bans are almost perfect, I love wizards again

[tardy echo]

Mana drain was maybe the most toxic card in brawl that wasn’t related to stripping and/or mining

[sleek ferry]

will you love them once they announce their new client; MTGA: Quadratic (this will be the name of their commander client)

[tardy echo]

Tomb ban is also fire

[trail anvil]

wash away would also be nice for a future ban but I'm no chooser

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[tardy echo]

I think wash is like

I don’t wanna say needed but without it it would be so much easier to just get cheesed to death by so many random commanders

[trail anvil]

I think playing around 1 blue mana constantly is pretty ridiculous though. I think if you're able to hold up that little mana and still threaten a commander counter it should be narrow like strix serenade

blue is still the strongest brawl color even after these hits tbh

[past socket]

Can have a little mana

as a treat

[twilit canyon]

card is pretty bad on rate tho if ur opponent doesnt care or already resolved their commander

i get the sentiment, but maybe the ban should be entirely off how much of a variant card it can be

[trail anvil]

I mostly figure when we have cards that are pithing needle style banned it's better to be consistent too

[twilit canyon]

pithing has impact after the commander resolves

[trail anvil]

so does wash away

[twilit canyon]

ehhh

its way worse tho

3 mana counter is ass no matter how u slice it

[atomic harness]

Pithing needle = goat

[sleek ferry]

false

[twilit canyon]

def made worse by the fact that we have a lot of cheap countering nowdays

if not free

quite literally free in some cases

[sleek ferry]

Alright so once Avatar drops on arena what 3 cards are you guys immediately crafting?

[twilit canyon]

fon

entomb

idt im crafting anything else off the rip

[sleek ferry]

I’m probably doing

Aang, Swift Savior
Appa
3rd one is up in the air rn

[stark skiff]

I see what you did there.

[glad peak]

if the flavor is that they're tossed in the air, wouldn't taking a ton of time before they get cast again eventually lead to the spell's death?

[trail anvil]

TLE is also coming to arena yeah?

[twilit canyon]

appa is kind of a trap

i'd hold on

[sleek ferry]

I already pictured the deck, and for what I want to do it's perfect

I have everything I want except for Wedding Announcement

[twilit canyon]

i'd still hold on with appa

[trail anvil]

wedding announcement? which format is this for, pioneer?

[twilit canyon]

oh right i actually fuck heavy with the lesson synergy

gran-gran will be pretty strong if so

accumulate wisdom is a nasty card

[trail anvil]

[[accumulate wisdom]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/44/accumulate-wisdom

Accumulate Wisdom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant — Lesson
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of those cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. Put each of those cards into your hand instead if there are three or more Lesson cards in your graveyard.
"To prove your worth as scholars, you have to contribute some worthwhile knowledge." —Wan Shi Tong

[steady onyx]

wait

[trail anvil]

o wow

[tardy echo]

Yeah honestly this seems really nice

[steady onyx]

what happens if you hav e mythics that get banned?

go into aether??

[tardy echo]

Once we get learn back

[steady onyx]

fuck off man

[trail anvil]

you get wildcards

[steady onyx]

oh really

based

[twilit canyon]

they kill you instantly actually

wotc breaks into your house and removes your knees

[steady onyx]

but i can no longer play brainded rdw on arena

😭

[trail anvil]

I mean you can

[tardy echo]

You can

[twilit canyon]

ur right. u have to think

woe

[trail anvil]

it's not like rdw suffers from card choice

[twilit canyon]

ik this is difficult

[steady onyx]

but nemesis makes the deck stupid easy