bad dungeon design + the combat isn't fun + a lot of people really dislike the main character
#Magic the Gathering
copper pecan
tardy echo
Personally I don’t think it’s that bad but
tardy echo
bad dungeon design + the combat isn't fun + a lot of people *really* dislike the...
To impound upon this, the most common critique of 13 1 is that until you’re like 2/3 of the way through the game everything is a hallway
And that lightning is basically Jesus
New combat system for ff and it wasn’t well implemented
The story itself is also not terribly well put together, a perception which was only made worse by 13-2 and 3
glad peak
I guess that makes sense
I like lightning because she was the first new ff character I saw 
tardy echo
I think lightning is cool and pretty and stuff but she’s a pretty bad mc imo
broken fjord
I only played 13-2, but that system in that game was quite fun. From what I heard of 13, it's pretty autopilot until you get to Barthandelus. Apparently, that boss will punt you into the sun if you don't learn the systems, but the game until that point isn't hard at all.
sleek ferry
Let’s be real it’s 8, and for the dumbest reasons
twilit canyon
what for
sleek ferry
Purists also despise 14
sleek ferry
what for
It’s stuck between 2 FF’s who are on completely different spectrums, FF7 being edgy, while FF9 is whimsical, FF8 tries to do a bit too much with their world/story. it just feels out of place to some
Personally, I enjoyed 8 for what it is
past socket
[[!Suplex]]
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I think I may be about to do The Thing™
copper pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/fin/164/suplex
i'm so glad that this card not only exists, but is pretty good
past socket
Haven’t fought it yet but up to that point atm with going through that point
||Also just felt so bad for Cyan, jfc Kefka||
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Just such a fun game all the same so far though
hidden ermine
Btw how is Ardyn doing in any format really?
copper pecan
i play a lot of brawl and i've seen him exactly once since the set came out
past socket
No clue but kinda wanna add him to Marvo and have a more demon focused deck
Have a bunch of my clash win cheats be one of my favourite creature types
Though I imagine you’d play mono-Ardyn pretty similar to how one would play Vilis with more emphasis on demon typal rather than life gain and life pay effects
sleek ferry
Btw how is Ardyn doing in any format really?
He sees some play in niche rakdos/jund decks, usually gets cheated out by [[zombify]] and revives either [[jumbo cactuar]] or [[summon: odin]] as win cons
gritty nest
I was given a card today
glad peak
[[ardyn]]
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twilit canyon
its the mono black one that revives things into demons
glad peak
He seems decent in hashaton
gritty nest
[[ardynn]]
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glad peak
Having a method of creating big dudes you already discarded after the opponent had to deal with it the first time seems solid
And can be cheated in with hashaton for extra midrange value
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Yeah in my case was wanting to cheat it and other demons wirh [[Marvo]]
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Just putting a deal more emphasis on demon-based payoffs with a strategy that already has some really nice demon options it plays be it [[Doom Whisperer]], [[Lord of the Void]] or [[Rune-Scarred Demon]]
glad peak
I don’t see why the demon type matters but they usually have decent effects so why not
past socket
Yeah just gives more demons and gives the demons you already have even more benefits
Like the Lifelink just means more manips for Doom Whisperer to win clashes
copper pecan
i remember when i first started playing people were hyping up doom whisperer as one of the strongest creatures ever and then it was not that
twilit canyon
it still saw some play
but yea that card was just not fit for that standard
mono-red
and mono white
sultai
just always had better options in sultai
miserable vs azorius and esper controls
glad peak
Yeah card’s still solid and has like 1 application in cedh which is still good
past socket
I’m just here for the top deck manipulation but you aren’t exactly starved for choice in Dimir
glad peak
Nah you here for the mass self mill 
lusty trench
||Also just felt so bad for Cyan, jfc Kefka||
Its such a baltant scene too is what suprised me the first time i saw it
Like he has to watch his wife die in front of him, starting coming to terms with that, then his son starts dying too
waxen timber
This was made 4 years ago
Star wars something is a possibility for Edge of Eternity.
This was before Eldraine 2 where we got Hylda (Elsa knock-off)
We don't have whopper yet but, we do have Krabby Patty tokens.
No Travis Scott but, we do have Post Malone cards
sudden lava
Star wars something is a possibility for Edge of Eternity.
This was before Eldra...
and we have Iron Man
ornate cedar
I got the cloud commander deck at my LGS 
ornate cedar
Using the prongles as a deck box?
gritty nest
Yes
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I’m still reminded of someone making a deckbox out of a juicebox and gave it to Tomer for I believe was his budget Pako|Haldan deck
gritty nest
LMAO
urban crane
I’m still reminded of someone making a deckbox out of a juicebox and gave it to ...
Someone who was probably inspired by this did the same but like with a milk carthon at my LGs also with pako and halden
Even plays it unsleeved
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Been meaning to mess with Temur even lmao
ornate cedar
Of course the Cloud deck doesn’t come with the Buster Sword card
And of course it synergizes with the deck
And of course it’s $40 online lol
lusty trench
Of course the Cloud deck doesn’t come with the Buster Sword card
commander decks don't usually come with main set mythics
ornate cedar
commander decks don't usually come with main set mythics
I’ll live with myself somehow 
(Read: I’ll proxy it or get it eventually)
glad peak
You can always just get it
ornate cedar
I may depends on how manic I am next month lol
lusty trench
Buster sword is one of those cards that reads a lot lot better than it is in commander
By the time you get your voltron commander of choice to a point where it reliably does its job, youve probably already won
ornate cedar
So add artifact equips…. That basically get the job done?
lusty trench
Ones that provide protection like hexproof colour protection etc are always good as are keyword soup equips especially flying vigilance and trample
Other good ones are ones that scale based on how many other equips or auras you have
ornate cedar
Oh boy, here I go diving through my bulk again lol
lusty trench
Or give card advantage
atomic harness
lusty trench
just keep in mind players rate voltron decks highly in their priority to deal with due to the fact they can just boop a player out of the game early and they don't want it to be them (in casual)
glad peak
Meanwhile in comp it’s low in priority because it can ONLY boop a player out of the game no matter how early
ornate cedar
just keep in mind players rate voltron decks highly in their priority to deal wi...
What’s a voltron deck? 
lusty trench
What’s a voltron deck? <:peepoHappy:902237217378938880>
Its where you put all your equipment or auras on one dude to swing
Its called voltron because
Youre basically doing this to one creature you control
stark skiff
https://tenor.com/view/toy-cartoons-voltron-gif-3300333106817655562
isnt this just a megazord
ornate cedar
Youre basically doing this to one creature you control
Ohhh I see, that makes sense
So like RB in YGO is kind of like a voltron deck? :p
Not ritual beasts
glad peak
But the visual of a monkey holding every sword is more in line with how the deck is played
waxen timber
Don't play standard that often but, tried playing in Bronze with an anti-Steel cutter deck that I had built a while ago but, Vivi just crushes through
rigid scarab
waxen timber
It gets big so fast and even if I manage their board for so long, they go into the floodmaw my High Noon then get to combo off with Vivi
lapis viper
Damn that commander looks sick
last glen
What's that goat card that you attach five equips to to OTK?
That's kinda like Voltron
sleek ferry
Holy that’s the goat
sleek ferry
Not saying Vivi isn’t good, but here in a pod vs winota, yuriko and rogsi mulling to 2, I would also like my chances as the Vivi player
glad peak
Tbh I’d say Vivi is better than yuriko and winota
atomic harness
Playing w frens
sleek ferry
Tbh I’d say Vivi is better than yuriko and winota
Yeah, that was the point
Though it’s funny, because Yuriko keeps getting a lot of random specific support every other set it feels like
Yuriko might eventually end up in the Magda role
If she keeps getting cards specifically for her
sleek ferry
Playing w frens
3 man pod
gritty nest
Damn that commander looks sick
[[!Xyris, the Writing Storm]]
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atomic harness
Playing w frens
@stark skiff oh also I got the arch map from the yshtola deck
glad peak
Xyris is a sick card, correct
glad peak
Vivi is so cute that even my gf is playing magic now
ornate cedar
This set is easily a huge success on multiple fronts
People who don’t even play Magic are collecting the set
lusty trench
Vivi is so cute that even my gf is playing magic now
world's first hydrogen baby
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Black Mages, the greatest example of big things coming in small packages
lusty trench
pov you insulted vivi and the sky is suddenly getting dark as a rock the size of a city comes crashing down on you
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I just know the little black mage guy is so going in my FF1 party
copper pecan
I just know the little black mage guy is so going in my FF1 party
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Referring
pulsar talon
refer to this chart <:nyashbrown:1368296454753488906>
I'm getting old, idk what most of these words mean
copper pecan
okay so back when hero from dragon quest got into smash bros a lot of people were mad about it, and someone made a post satirizing that that was like "people when popular mcjrpg guy gets into smash instead of scrimblo the loveable scrunkus from the platformer they played as a child 26 years ago" or something like that
scrimblo the scrunkus is like the kind of character that would be the protagonist of a 90s mascot platformer
popular mcjrpg guy is a jrpg protagonist
and glup shitto is a minor character with a fanbase that is disproportionately large compared to their role in the thing they're from
geno from mario rpg is all of these things at once
sleek ferry
Who the fuck is the sonic with the red faux hawk
twilit canyon
thats mighty the armadillo
copper pecan
he's a sonic character who is weirdly popular among sonic fans despite barely ever showing up
twilit canyon
well he did have some more recent appearances too
cameo in generations + in sonic mania
not a cameo in mania hes just in there fully
lusty trench
Its because he was originally a part of the chaotix
When heroes came around there wasnt room for him on the team so he was in limbo for decades
glad peak
What about it?
fast tide
Also anyone got recommendations for blue/green commander precons
I thought about the Tidus one but the prices for those are fucked now
sleek ferry
~~Also anyone got recommendations for blue/green commander precons~~
Depends what you’re looking to do with blue/green. Lands matter? Cloning effects? Merfolk? Set unique mechanics?
fast tide
I like big bodies and I like control/interrupts 
where does that get me?
lusty trench
This card is a menace in draft
Like it feels bad to remove cause its 2 mana and if you dont itll fuck you up
last glen
it's a mana dork
bolt the emperor
glad peak
Not really they’re just throws random dudes on the field and turn them sideways
Also usually no blue
fast tide
Fuck
glad peak
Also usually no interaction
last glen
Are dinosaurs cool?
yes 
usually RG tho
sometime W
sleek ferry
Is there a decent precon starting point
Try Quantum Quandrix, Explorers of the Deep or Tricky Terrain
Of those, Tricky Terrain might be the best bang for your buck currently
You get stuff like [[uro, titan of nature’s wrath]] in it
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fast tide
Jebus
Bookmarked for future reference 
Okay yep Tricky Terrain looks great
I'll probably get it when I get paid next
Any recommended upgrades or should I google fish for a guide to upgrading it
sleek ferry
What I used to love to do when I first got into buying precons and upgrading was to discover the upgrades myself, so I'll let you figure it out. Also, everybody's playstyle is different, so some upgrades usually don't vibe with your playstyle
fast tide
Okay cool I'm super duper brand new upgrading this terra deck has been a ton of research and shopping around
sleek ferry
I would say look up precon upgrade videos to start and see what sounds good to you and what doesn’t
Getting multiple peoples opinions and then picking what you think is best works
fast tide
Awesome cool that's generally what I've been doing anyway 
good god this has been a rabbit hole
So many interactions and rules are so different from ygo 
sleek ferry
Oh yeah, the way cards interact on the stack is def some getting used to, and that's not even taking into account everybody's favorite topic: layers
fast tide
Oh my word
lusty trench
Any recommended upgrades or should I google fish for a guide to upgrading it
Landfall stuff works good for it
Scapeshift funny
trail anvil
honestly if you go with any random upgrade guide you should be doing fine. it won't be the most thorough but if you don't wanna do all the research in the world then more or less any guide should do
urban crane
You could otherwise look at the jumpscare precon as an other option
trail anvil
some will upgrade it for cheap, others expensive
atomic harness
@sleek ferry sigh son I felt nostalgic so im gonna put bob in my deck 
no place in modern or standard, vaguely playable enough in the bad format
sleek ferry
<@304354673647812608> sigh son I felt nostalgic so im gonna put bob in my deck <...
I saw a couple of midrange lists on it in the ladder, but yeah, probably cope
especially when we got shit like cake's favorite card in the format
It's like how I try to cope on united battlefront
atomic harness
[[united battlefront]]
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atomic harness
Holy it's like coco
sleek ferry
yeah, I play it in my boros equipment deck
but since the boros equipment deck maxes out on cloud, freya and kellan, you whiff more often than you would like
tardy echo
Yuna deck is so fun @sleek ferry @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
indeed
i actually like how it plays
this is one deck i feel will easily survive a beanstalk ban
esper origins is a good enough replacement and shock lands will help so much
sleek ferry
esper origins is my favorite card in the set
twilit canyon
that card has always been fun
crazy that it is currently in both an aggro and a midrange list
sleek ferry
is it today?
atomic harness
Guess im pinging you @twilit canyon
Up the beanstalk finally 
[[this town aint big enough]]
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"All that fancy footwork, and you can't even dodge one silly little rope? Cryin' shame, that is."
trail anvil
holy fuckin massacre
atomic harness
[[abuelo's awakening]]
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atomic harness
huh
trail anvil
[[omniscience]] combo
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trail anvil
but they should've just killed omni cause they can't print an enchantment reanimator for 4 for 5 years
atomic harness
Yeah I think omni was the hit no?
why was omni even brought back in standard to begin w
I guess
trail anvil
it was fine in the last standard and it's a big blue card, idk
twilit canyon
thanks gamer
twilit canyon
Yeah I think omni was the hit no?
omni was 100% the hit
i dont like that they are banning around it
omni will always have its abusers and enablers
ornate cedar
The only thing about the banlist that stings is that I just crafted some of those cards in the last week lol
trail anvil
thank god they banned trickery in pio bo1 too. small format but they recognize that card is still toxic
trail anvil
The only thing about the banlist that stings is that I just crafted some of thos...
you get refunded the wildcards for these at least
lusty trench
Cori cutter found dead in the streets of mexico, gunned down for "partying too hard"
ornate cedar
you get refunded the wildcards for these at least
Thank god lol
Now I really don’t care and like this list 
trail anvil
if you don't see the notice that these are banned btw then you should still be able to craft them in game iirc
atomic harness
i dont like that they are banning around it
Agreed
trail anvil
then get free cards for other formats
sleek ferry
They went super hard tbh. Idt you needed to ban heartfire hero with monstrous rage gone, and I would have liked to have seen 1 more meta of cori, but I get that the cori/vivi combo has been a terror
twilit canyon
hopeless nightmare and this town are both eh bans ultimately
lusty trench
i dont like that they are banning around it
These kinds of cards are odd to put in standard because its either they do nothing or they get abused
trail anvil
hopeless nightmare and this town are both eh bans ultimately
pretty sure they just wanted a meta rotation which I actually fuck with
twilit canyon
and we have plenty of good omni cheat engines right now
trail anvil
roots went untouched though yeah?
ornate cedar
Oh omniscience? Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think omniscience is a problem atm, and if it becomes one they can just ban it
trail anvil
potential man finally getting the spotlight?
sleek ferry
there was a mono black discard deck I had seen in the ladder more that used Jetch, not sure if that was part of the reason for the hopeless nightmare hit, because god knows orzhov aint doing shit right now
ornate cedar
there was a mono black discard deck I had seen in the ladder more that used Jetc...
Yeah, I piloted that deck lol
lusty trench
This is surely a good deck
ornate cedar
Was fun
atomic harness
Looks like Solar is gonna be happy about this one
trail anvil
boros equipment time 
ornate cedar
Now I gotta find new broken stuff lol the orzhov vamps deck I made already got powercrept after taking a break for three sets
sleek ferry
boros equipment time <:copium:901139245056528444>
boros used cori 
though they didn;t abuse it to the degree other decks did
trail anvil
lmao wait you're right oof
ornate cedar
Is it time to play artifact hate?
lusty trench
Oh right i gotta @golden plover they hit cori and monsterous srandard is safe now probably probably not
sleek ferry
boros is dead on rotation though iirc, since all the For Morrodin! cards are rotating out no?
trail anvil
he wanted beans hit too so he'll be happy
lusty trench
Is it time to play artifact hate?
It is always a good time to run suplex
ornate cedar
CGB had a video saying that banning the problem cards would do nothing for the meta, idk if that still holds true
trail anvil
boros is dead on rotation though iirc, since all the For Morrodin! cards are rot...
when is rotation, end of year?
sleek ferry
it's soonish no? doesn't rotation hit end of summer?
ornate cedar
Yeah that sounds about right
trail anvil
I thought they moved it specifically to make it easier to remember
sleek ferry
you might be right, as I also recall that being a change
so 5 months of boros if anything
ornate cedar
Noice
sleek ferry
you have a low mana curve and usually outvalue via getting in with any creature equipped with [[custer sword]]
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subtle sierra
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-20...
Holy fuck this is beyond based
ornate cedar
Welp, time to pull some FF packs lol
tardy echo
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-20...
Nightmare ban 
subtle sierra
Roots keep winning
Wait this is also immediately in effect?
My colleague invited me to a tourney on Saturday
sleek ferry
what does Roots lose to rotation, just tervyl right?
subtle sierra
A lot
tardy echo
When does actual roots rotate
subtle sierra
Next rotation after this iirc
ornate cedar
Is roots a deck?
tardy echo
[[insidious roots]]
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The roots of Vitu-Ghazi allowed Trostani to reach every crack and crevice in the city.
subtle sierra
A lot
There's a bunch of neat shit like thrillseeker and some of other replaceable stuff
ornate cedar
Oh wow lol
sleek ferry
Can't be that bad, roots still has overlord of balemurk, dredger access
subtle sierra
But tyvar is the main thing that hurts
You might be forced to add red mana somewhere
And play either the fire crystal or enduring courage
trail anvil
tyvar being both pseudo haste and recursion is sad to lose
subtle sierra
Just so that the plants have haste
sleek ferry
Damn, is Roots the best 2 mana enchantment now with beanstalk gone? (not counting sheltered by ghosts)
tardy echo
Nowhere to run cooks that fraud
trail anvil
I feel like skipping over sheltered is random
tardy echo
Nowhere to run cooks THAT fraud too
subtle sierra
I think courage is prob better cause it's a creature but I'm shit at building mtg decks
So take that with a heap of salt
Bitter reunion would fit so hard but it also rotates
tardy echo
[[bitter reunion]]
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The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.
twilit canyon
btw i asked for the cs unban not too long ago in historic. give me thanks historic control players.
sleek ferry
oh wait FOMO exists also, damn, when did we get so many good 2 mana enchantments lol
trail anvil
ty misty
twilit canyon
fomo is next on the chopping block for standard i feel
tardy echo
What’s fomo
twilit canyon
i doubt it'll be terribly long before the card rears itself as broken
sleek ferry
Fomo is pretty crazy
tardy echo
I know there’s an actual creature named that
twilit canyon
[[fear of missing out]]
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tardy echo
Oh this is an enchantment
trail anvil
oh gruul delirium lost nothing huh?
tardy echo
I know he asked this before but when does eoe come out
sleek ferry
august iirc?
subtle sierra
golgari GY lost their draw power
Roots keeps winning...
tardy echo
I think I wanna hold off on actually fully finishing the deck before it does
twilit canyon
september no?
tardy echo
Because a lot of the lands the list I’m on plays rotate out
And shocks are guten cargen
sleek ferry
it's usually around 6-7 weeks in between sets
twilit canyon
oh nvm its august 1st
sleek ferry
EOE is august 1st
trail anvil
I am gonna be sad that golgari gy and simic self bounce lost their key card, but it was way deserved
tardy echo
I’ll play shit ratchet lands until then
And then switch out the 1 damage lands for shocks
ornate cedar
Thank you WOTC for not pulling a Konami lol
sleek ferry
If nothing else, the ladder is going to be fucking voilatile as hell right now
subtle sierra
Oh rotation is a month?
tardy echo
Rotation is later
But I don’t wanna waste rares on stuff that rotates out in a few months
trail anvil
rotation is August, a month
trail anvil
assuming what's in standard is correct
twilit canyon
u can get shocks now
tardy echo
Ya I just can’t use them
trail anvil
well he can but they're not legal in standard for a bit
sleek ferry
The sets rotating july 29th are:
Dominaria United (DMU)
The Brothers' War (BRO)
Phyrexia: All Will Be One (ONE)
March of the Machine (MOM)
March of the Machine: The Aftermath (MAT)
lusty trench
If nothing else, the ladder is going to be fucking voilatile as hell right now
cloud planersphere trust
tardy echo
I don’t have the wcs for it right now anyways
lusty trench
Its like cori cutter if it sucked ass
atomic harness
btw i asked for the cs unban not too long ago in historic. give me thanks histor...
thank you gamer
counterspell = goat
trail anvil
I don’t have the wcs for it right now anyways <:icant:1310294700384714813>
you might after these bans lol
sleek ferry
gruul maybe?
trail anvil
did you get any cutter/awakening
tardy echo
I had nightmare and beanstalk
I think I pulled a few cutters
But def not awakening
I would’ve played that deck if I pulled cards for it
Also dimir is kind of big ups now isn’t it
tardy echo
This town was played I believe
But not big ones
Pixie randomly getting double tapped is funny
subtle sierra
rotation is August, a month
Might be the point i hop on irl...
trail anvil
for self bounce yeah, but there's another playstyle
subtle sierra
Misty you will have to help theorycraft roots
ornate cedar
The sets rotating july 29th are:
Dominaria United (DMU)
The Brothers' War (BRO)...
BRO
tardy echo
Chat how good is oculus gonna be do we think
sleek ferry
Oh yeah, oculus didn't lose much lol
trail anvil
so many decks that got pushed out by these cards lmao
sleek ferry
aggro was doing a lot to keep oculus down too, so if aggro is dead, oculus should rise very quickly
sleek ferry
Domain is also effectively dead
tardy echo
I played against that deck once and it almost convinced me to play izzet single-handedly
ornate cedar
Oculus Reanimator or Oculus Azorius?
sleek ferry
either or
trail anvil
do we think endurance can go in oculus with cori and rage out the picture
twilit canyon
Chat how good is oculus gonna be do we think
should be great still
atomic harness
oculus = goat
ornate cedar
Valgavoth go brrrrr
twilit canyon
it was already good
it just didnt have a reason to run it cus it was and still is missing a 1 drop
tardy echo
U say still like it lost anything
ornate cedar
Ren has goated taste reaffirmed
tardy echo
Is this already live on arena
trail anvil
it just didnt have a reason to run it cus it was and still is missing a 1 drop
marauding mako 😎
ornate cedar
Frogs is nuts, I played against it yesterday and was impressed
tardy echo
Is there no blue one drop
ornate cedar
Is Green better?
atomic harness
Frogs is nuts, I played against it yesterday and was impressed
twilit canyon
marauding mako 😎
yes and?
thats one wheres the other
thats the issue with the deck rn more or less
tardy echo
[[marauding mako]]
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ornate cedar
Banlists that shake up the meta are nice, now I get it
twilit canyon
rather inconsistent curves
tardy echo
What if
trail anvil
spyglass siren idk lol
tardy echo
Monastery swiftspear
twilit canyon
siren is ass 🥀
tardy echo
atomic harness
[[spyglass siren]]
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Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
When this creature enters, create a Map token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")
1/1
twilit canyon
swift is rotating soon and she doesnt fit the deck
atomic harness
this looks not good
sleek ferry
oh, maybe I look at MtE decks again
sleek ferry
[[monument to endurance]]
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trail anvil
apparently this was actually supposed to be their pre rotation list
I'm glad they remembered that exists lmao
ornate cedar
Maybe I can finally stop stocking up on one and two drops and maybe even include some 4 drops
In my decks
sleek ferry
you'll def have a little more breathing rune
just don't go crazy
[[opera love song]] still exists
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twilit canyon
birds will definitely be stronger now
but i fully expect mono red to still be good
the deck has cards on cards on cards left
sleek ferry
yeah, you can get to 4 more reliably now in birds
fallow citrus
is birds the chocobo deck
ornate cedar
Especially with the new support
subtle sierra
Do chocobos have a way to get trample
sleek ferry
call me crazy, but mono green stompy isn't looking too shabby either
ornate cedar
Is Naya birds a thing? lol
trail anvil
I think ur crazy
this is a meta reversion and monogreen wasn't beating the suite of removal we had before
sleek ferry
tifa/chocobo 1 drop/3 drop vehicle is a nice string of threats
twilit canyon
yes and shoot the sheriff is there to replace, even if it can be a bit more narrow
twilit canyon
tifa/chocobo 1 drop/3 drop vehicle is a nice string of threats
yeah but the deck has folded, and will continue to fold, to removal curves
golden plover
Wow banlist is actually good
twilit canyon
the only miss is omni not going
ornate cedar
WOTC was gonna be so clowned on if they missed with this list
Now it just makes the competition look toothless
sleek ferry
WOTC knew they had to hit it out the park with how many new players FF brought in
and they did
ornate cedar
Yeah it’s insane how much FF brought in new people
trail anvil
it is a crazy popular franchise
ornate cedar
Even people who never cared about Magic are starting to get interested
It’s like LOTR for Milennials lol
sleek ferry
the fact that it outsold lotr tells you everything. I didn't think that would be possible
what makes it better is the fact that the previous set, tarkir, was also a homerun for established mtg players
ornate cedar
God help us when they make the Skibidi Toilet set though
Mmw Skibidi toilet will be the LOTR for Gen Alpha
ornate cedar
what makes it better is the fact that the previous set, tarkir, was also a homer...
Yeah, after Aetherdrift I was bearish on Magic, but I’m glad that didn’t pan out
sleek ferry
The fact that EOE is in a new plane and that plane being in space, gives them a lot of freedom with card design too
Like if the leaked eldrazi is the only eldrazi we get, that’s perfectly fine
ornate cedar
They better have Zathura 
trail anvil
I hope we get more alien creatures like the green 5 drop
trail anvil
a black hole was revealed already lol
ornate cedar
Super massive
trail anvil
https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/115/sothera-the-supervoid technically multiple if we're going by art
ornate cedar
lol and it’s called Sothera
sleek ferry
ornate cedar
Like Zathura lol
ornate cedar
I love it, I want it, and naturally it will be stupid expensive
trail anvil
all of the arts go crazy hard for it
sleek ferry
I forgot, what time does the banlist usually kick in? Around 3PM EST right?
ornate cedar
I love it
trail anvil
I forgot, what time does the banlist usually kick in? Around 3PM EST right?
sounds right
sleek ferry
alright, time to think about what I'm wasting my wildcards on now
tardy echo
Time to blow through all my draft tokens
ornate cedar
When you draft a deck do you need to play it right then, or do you have some time?
ornate cedar
Thanks
sleek ferry
so you can draft in the morning, and then play at night
ornate cedar
Perfect, I’ve always been worried that I had to do it all at once
golden plover
So the goal now for standard is figure out what kills Dimir Mid, yeah?
Since everything else is dead or handicapped
ornate cedar
I think the new goal is to find the new broken thing
golden plover
Dimir Mid is a very fair best deck to have tho
sleek ferry
So the goal now for standard is figure out what kills Dimir Mid, yeah?
Yuna Reanimator and Rakdos Reanimator are right there
and they both lost nothing
as well as Oculus
golden plover
Ehh Yuna has potential but it lost beanstalk
ornate cedar
Yuna Reanimator and Rakdos Reanimator are right there
Oh yeah, Ardyn goes hard af in Demons
golden plover
Rakdos Reanimator was just a bad deck before, but it might be fine now
sleek ferry
Yuna didn't care for beanstalk as much
twilit canyon
gonna be evil-maxxing soon
tardy echo
Just ruined my pulls to get the cool dark ritual art 
ornate cedar
Bwaahahahaha
golden plover
It's lost every deck that killed it before it went online and Lockdown is probably not gonna stay in decks
twilit canyon
cryptic sanctuary locks 🤤
golden plover
So Raise the Past is probably tier 2 now?
tardy echo
Worth
golden plover
Roots is also possibly tier 2 but I'm not sold on roots
twilit canyon
roots did extremely well at both events recently
ornate cedar
Orzhov drain and gain good again?
sleek ferry
I'm more sold on roots than fucking raise the past lol
twilit canyon
and it has a bad match up into prowess
roots is going to go crazy when magic players stop being bad
golden plover
Roots does well here and there, but I think it's too hard for the average player and theres times where you see all your nothing cards
Same issue Raise the Past has tbf, but I think it's a simpler deck to understand and Sephiroth helps a ton
twilit canyon
Just ruined my pulls to get the cool dark ritual art <a:ALERT:136588717611352074...
join us in timeless
a turn 1 necropotence off the dark rit feels like cheating (it is)
tardy echo
Crazy
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, create a 0/4 white Wall creature token with defender.
: Level 2
Whenever one or more noncreature, nonland permanents you control enter, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, return target noncreature, nonland permanent card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
tardy echo
I wasn’t planning on actually playing anyways I was just gonna do draft into auto concede into draft etc
I hate playing this shit
sleek ferry
that's 8 mana to do the thing lol
golden plover
Lists were running one of this already, but it's so much slower
tardy echo
Isn’t that literally spending
sleek ferry
ain't nobody doing that
tardy echo
More mana than omniscience itself costs
twilit canyon
eh
golden plover
Nah, Omni costs 2 more than this
tardy echo
Like you can do it turns early still but
trail anvil
8 mana vs 4 mana is a massive difference
golden plover
Oh for sure
trail anvil
there are multiple enchantment reanimators that exist but this is telegraphed as hell
golden plover
But I'm just saying Omni is still there, but much weaker now
Omni would've died at rotation anyways ngl
sleek ferry
Yuna can reanimate omniscience fwiw if you're looking for bad ways to get to omni
golden plover
My issue with Yuna is that that's end phase tho
twilit canyon
she's way more playable though
golden plover
They get a turn to fully interact
Yuna is the better card, but I don't think she'd be doing Omni stuff
sleek ferry
My issue with Yuna is that that's end phase tho
Flash in valleyflood caller, gg we're playing cedh now
twilit canyon
may as well play it singleton and 100 cards
tardy echo
Just ruined my pulls to get the cool dark ritual art <a:ALERT:136588717611352074...
Just did it again with ishai
golden plover
Actually pixie is probably fine ngl
Nightmare was bullshit so it keeping the rest of the deck is fair
They'll run ambrosia or whatever now and be a lot fairer
But still strong
fallow citrus
Just did it again with ishai
tardy echo
I’m not playing actual draft anyways
I am collecting all the cool arts
Just got deadly dispute
twilit canyon
Nightmare was bullshit so it keeping the rest of the deck is fair
nightmare was fine this does just make orzhov undisputed best version tho
golden plover
Nightmare would have been fine with just the discard or burn
It doing both at 1 was a bit too much
And looping 1 mana discard a card is always unfun ngl
sleek ferry
oh wait, I forgot, we have 2 aggro decks that exist that were untouched
golden plover
Gruul Delirium might also be good actually
Actually... Is Oculus even gonna be that good? UR Caldron does the same thing, but better, no?
twilit canyon
different decks
golden plover
For sure, but Caldron plays better with graveyard hate in the picture I feel like
trail anvil
it's nice
gritty nest
Hopefully it shakes up the format
twilit canyon
never doubt the ability for magic players to play the most mid option when given the chance
tardy echo
I mean I kind of see the vision
Banlist isn’t live yet so idk why they’re acting like izzet is dead but
What has been confusing is that I just played against 3x ppl on mono black hand hate with seemingly no wincon
Who all activated nightmare and then surrendered when I discarded esper
Goat card btw
twilit canyon
they may have a 0% match up into the yuna decks
tardy echo
Pretty sure that shit has a 0% matchup into any deck besides specifically izzet
Wincon being annoyance over actual gameplay
trail anvil
maybe they were used to people auto scooping once their hand got empty
tardy echo
That’s what I mean
But like it’s not very hard to make that deck into something with some type of progressive gameplan
That still has a very good chance at making the opponent scoop out of frustration
golden plover
zinc shard
Did they say when the bans go into effect?
sleek ferry
Holy, was Zach the card I was missing for Abzan counters to work
zinc shard
huh, are we not getting wildcards for these?
sleek ferry
Only if you crafted them before the banlist announcement
twilit canyon
the banlist doesnt seem to have gone up yet
wary night
@ornate cedar I bought the ff7 starter kit! Was that a smart move
subtle sierra
misty do we do a text post summarising this like we do with ygo?
wary night
I may get the commander one as well, someones selling it for 99 euros lmao
subtle sierra
might be easier to quick reference
the list is kinda big, comparatively
Banned and Restricted Announcement
Effective Date: June 30, 2025
Next Announcement Date: November 24, 2025
Standard
-Cori-Steel Cutter is banned.
-Abuelo's Awakening is banned.
-Monstrous Rage is banned.
-Heartfire Hero is banned.
-Up the Beanstalk is banned.
-Hopeless Nightmare is banned.
-This Town Ain't Big Enough is banned.
Alchemy
-Cori-Steel Cutter is suspended (pending rebalance).
Pioneer Best-of-One on MTG Arena
-Tibalt's Trickery is banned.
Historic
+Counterspell is unbanned.
if it bothers ppl we can always unpin
tardy echo
Banlist now live on arena
subtle sierra
pogger
twilit canyon
pog
wary night
Does mtg banlist work the same as yugioh?
twilit canyon
in what way/
zinc shard
MTG doesnt do Limited/Semi Limited
copper pecan
they do limited in vintage and timeless but not in any other formats
twilit canyon
+8 rares, +16 uncommons 🤤
twilit canyon
did you pre-craft abuelo's and csc?
subtle sierra
i had an omniscience account somewhere...
zinc shard
only 3 rares but still happy
trail anvil
why are all the roots lists the same on different sites wtf is this 😭
did someone just copy one guy
trail anvil
also is coati scavenger really the best way to return roots to hand
trail anvil
osteomancer doesn't grab back roots, coati is the only one afaik
but I'm just amazed
past socket
Now seems like a good time as any to really commit to getting into Standard ig. I keep saying I will but never do lmao
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trail anvil
oh
wary night
MTG doesnt do Limited/Semi Limited
Right, so it's a ban on 1 card.
subtle sierra
oh
ye i saw it in a list misty gave me, it has synergy with [[cache grab]] but you have osteomancer anyway for it
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Instant
Mill four cards. You may put a permanent card from among the cards milled this way into your hand. If you control a Squirrel or returned a Squirrel card to your hand this way, create a Food token. (To mill four cards, put the top four cards of your library into your graveyard. A Food token is an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
tardy echo
Trying to figure out what to replace beanstalk with 
@twilit canyon
For the moment I’m just playing more removal
But idk
twilit canyon
already on 4x esper origins?
twilit canyon
i've replaced the beans with dredgers for now
tardy echo
I was already on both
twilit canyon
stock up is probably correct
twilit canyon
verges and shocks will help there eventually
copper pecan
kinda wild that they're printing shocks into standard again
hidden ermine
One could even call it shocking
copper pecan
wary night
Kago is a good manga
wary night
Does someone have a cloud limit break decklist?... I wanna order the cards separately than buying the deck box and the get upgrades etc
sleek ferry
Does someone have a cloud limit break decklist?... I wanna order the cards separ...
Gives you full decklists + prices of the individual cards
gritty nest
trail anvil
man esper origins is such a crazy card
surveil 4 gain 4 life draw 1 and none of it feels good to interact with
then random ramp and a board buff if they leave it alone
fallow citrus
what deck is it best in
wary night
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/final-fantasy-commander-decklists
Thank you 
What cards should I pick up to make lb better
trail anvil
what deck is it best in <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
imo golgari midrange, but I'm not the best one to ask on metas lol
the deck has such a ridiculous amount of gas that you can out-midrange dimir pretty hard
fallow citrus
I also kind of want to try the yuna deck at some point
sleek ferry
Only thing about the yuna deck, is that it’s mythic heavy
trail anvil
I have more mythics on mtga than rares
non brawl player spotted
today is mail day, can't wait to slot in my new cards 
glad peak
Basic lands
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trail anvil
also just realized I accidentally stole someone's six 😭
I think they go to my locals pretty regularly at least, I think I took it cause I accidentally shuffled it in after exiling it with an o-ring lmao
fast tide
I'm pretty excited to pick up tricky terrain next week payday and then start looking into upgrades
subtle sierra
also just realized I accidentally stole someone's six 😭
Smh thief
glad peak
You… stole their behind?
lapis viper
also just realized I accidentally stole someone's six 😭
Oop
I traded in some Yu-Gi-Oh stuff yesterday to locals and got a free Ixalan box
It was bonkers
I also got 3 packs of ff cuz why not
trail anvil
sheesh
trail anvil
new arch charm 
also damn some of this text is scary considering we already got the Planeswalker revealed 
I wonder if we're gonna get a really big vehicle that does crazy shit. I hope so tbh
fallow citrus
when the cards get hungry
tardy echo
I will devour u
fallow citrus
tardy echo
I miss beanstalk already… @atomic harness @twilit canyon @sleek ferry
Also odd question but what actually makes fetch lands good
fallow citrus
they aren't real lands
plus deckthinning
plus you can fetch taplands in your opps end step
or bring shocks in tapped for the same effect
atomic harness
Good riddance to beanstalk
fallow citrus
triomes are the big one they're goated with
sleek ferry
Also odd question but what actually makes fetch lands good
Think of upstart goblin kinda
atomic harness
Fetches are rly good and make a lot of manabases pretty consistent
fallow citrus
plus they fetch 2 types of land so you can fix your mana super easy
atomic harness
and yeah they work with some stuff like brainstorm
sleek ferry
Except that upstart goblin fixes you into whatever you’re missing
tardy echo
Oh do they fetch any type of whatever land
fallow citrus
well
atomic harness
They can get duals
tardy echo
Yeah that’s what I mean
tardy echo
Does that include stuff like shocks or the surveil lands
tardy echo
Ok I see the vision then
atomic harness
either tap or untapped
sleek ferry
You can fetch the surveil lands yes
fallow citrus
so [[flooded strand]] can place [[raffine's tower]] for example, or [[hallowed fountain]]
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Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a Plains or Island card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Once a prosperous Vantress town, now swept clean and reclaimed by the waters of the wilds.
Land — Plains Island Swamp
(: Add , , or 
.)
This land enters tapped.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
The Obscura's Cloud Spire dominates the skyline, its eye a beacon of progress that sees all.
Land — Plains Island
(: Add or .)
As this land enters, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
atomic harness
tardy echo
I thought they only grabbed the specific named basic lands
atomic harness
[[polluted delta]]
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Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for an Island or Swamp card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
A warped gateway that seeps toxins and malevolence into the waters around Towashi.
tardy echo
Good riddance to beanstalk
Good riddance to you
fallow citrus
I thought they only grabbed the specific named basic lands
nope, as long as it's got the type in you can fetch it
tardy echo
Sick
fallow citrus
they're 🅱️razy for a reason
tardy echo
At least beanstalk ban isn’t that bad for yuna 
tardy echo
Nothing cope about it son
fallow citrus
I know I just wanted to make the wordplay
fallow citrus
gg
tardy echo
Also shockingly Odin has been kind of goat
twilit canyon
Also odd question but what actually makes fetch lands good
fetches are more or less cantrips
storm elbow
nope, as long as it's got the type in you can fetch it
There are effects that search only the basic lands but theyll say "basic plains/forest/swap/etc"
twilit canyon
or u can view them as cantrips
copper pecan
What is devour
devour is like [[gluttonous slime]]
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storm elbow
Having played decks with wack manabases also thought me to appreachiate manafixing
twilit canyon
in formats with typed duals. bonus if they are untapped
storm elbow
Explorers map goes hard when you try to force 3 colour in ff draft
atomic harness
hello fuwisty is psychic frog-chan still good in modern
twilit canyon
yes
atomic harness
dimir murk? 
twilit canyon
sometimes they dont play murk, they sometimes play oculus
but they always play frog
atomic harness
wary night
How does it feel chat, that the masked menace, Spider Man, is coming to mtg?
wary night
(Anyone else feel the same about the "Tales of the" series getting added to mtg, sorta similar to ff...)
sleek ferry
Random thought, but Yuna randomly makes Overlord of Boilerbilges into Phlage @twilit canyon
subtle sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35EayfNY2Cs&ab_channel=LegenVD
i hope rip means rest in piss
fuck the mouse
and rage
twilit canyon
i mean yeah thats the theory behind yuna boilerbilge
wary night
fuck the mouse
what did the mouse do?
copper pecan
it was really overpowered
barren cairn
it was really overpowered
It destroyed copyright law
twilit canyon
yea
twilit canyon
maybe
fallow citrus
wary night
it was really overpowered
Ina unfair way I'm guessing?
fallow citrus
thanks
kind of the list I saw except it used joshua + boilerbilge
also totally forgot cavern was in standard lmao
twilit canyon
i prefer non-red
joshua is a good card but going into that red list, it goes too deep into the graveyard
fallow citrus
hmm true
twilit canyon
with zur backup and stock ups, this list is more flexible
fallow citrus
leans very heavily into reanimator
twilit canyon
the lone bahamut is there to have some bomb payoff
fallow citrus
a fair bit of this rotates out this year too right
twilit canyon
only zur and leyline
when those 2 rotate, maybe i'll see about personally swapping to red
non-blue
actually even non-blue
1 sec
fallow citrus
golden plover
Why rides end without beanstalk? Surely it's not worth keeping at this point
Also, isnt Odin worth playing in this?
Yuna means they have to block the ENTIRE amount or they lose the game
twilit canyon
Why rides end without beanstalk? Surely it's not worth keeping at this point
still good at exiling anything
if i could, i would never play get lost
golden plover
Yeah, but you've got Leyline for now
golden plover
Yeah but you can run Go For the Throat tbh
Hits anything and they don't have to be tapped
twilit canyon
exile is better and this deck produces too much mana
ride's end is just good
unconditional removal more or less
and yeah odin is probably worth it? i guess? i dont particularly like summon odin tho
they only have to block in theory and he does just ok if u are behind
i have had builds with 1 odin 1 bahamut
but bahamut has been vastly more impressive
still ig u can run him
same idea as ride's end
fallow citrus
[[summon: odin]]
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fallow citrus
hmm yeah 1 blocker is all that's needed
maybe u could swap a ride's end for a copy if they both serve the same purpose
storm elbow
i think alph is talking about the fact that yuna gives it trample so with yuna on board you have to block the whole 5 attack
fallow citrus
I did maybe forgor that a little
storm elbow
its not an interaction thatll always be on your mind unless youve lost to it tbf
twilit canyon
its also quite rare for the situation to occur
storm elbow
and the ward/lifelink part of yunas keyword granting feels a bit more impactful imo
wary night
Are any of the ff cards meta in standard atm?
twilit canyon
unless your opponent is doing literally nothing
twilit canyon
Are any of the ff cards meta in standard atm?
all over the place
vivi, yuna, joshua are all seeing pretty heavy play
esper origins too
good number of summons are seeing play
wary night
Is esper a pain to play against?
twilit canyon
you dont really play against esper origins
wary night
Fr? I'm have a toddlers understanding of mtg and its meta so I'm not sure why you dont play against esper
I'm going to guess it's got little impact on the game state atm
twilit canyon
[[esper origins]]
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Sorcery
Surveil 2. You gain 2 life. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, exile it, then put it onto the battlefield transformed under its owner's control with a finality counter on it. (If a creature with a finality counter on it would die, exile it instead.)
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Summon: Esper Maduin
Enchantment Creature — Saga Elemental
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a permanent card, put it into your hand.
II — Add .
III — Other creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.
"I've chosen a name for her ... Terra."
4/4
glad peak
They might also be referring to the Esper color combo, which doesn’t have green (confusing, I know)
tardy echo
Also, isnt Odin worth playing in this?
Odin and bahamut have basically been interchangeable wincons in my testing
They both basically win once they hit but bahamut was better against slower/wider decks
tardy echo
Fr? I'm have a toddlers understanding of mtg and its meta so I'm not sure why yo...
Misty means the card can’t really be interacted with I’m pretty sure
sudden lava
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/787882322917801984/maros-edge-of-eternitie...
please oh god please let this be what I think it will give
wary night
Misty means the card can’t really be interacted with I’m pretty sure
Oh
Yeah like I said I'm super new pretty much to magic. But I'd love to learn more about the meta and game.
Also is bahamut from ff7 and is it good? Looks really cool
My phone died btw sorry for the late response 💀
tardy echo
Bahamut sees some play in the deck built around yuna
wary night
Oh sweet
Might pick up the deck
glad peak
Surely it has to be ||warp|| right? That makes sense
possibly but it doesn't make sense for all red cards to have that ability since how are you going to use that ability for instants and sorceries
unless they're going to change the wording from the article
trail anvil
hell yeah that's good motivation
lapis viper
That and they're super fair on pricing
Picked up this along with a few other things today
Teferi was $40
Omnath was 4
wary night
Drana looks cool, is it an alr set of some kind?
wary night
Wym by alr set
Woops, meant alt
Its 2:40 am rn, brain feels fried. But that's pretty cool to here
lapis viper
Understandable
trail anvil
oh man you're deeper into the format than I am
lapis viper
oh man you're deeper into the format than I am <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Yeah I've been loving it
Everyone has been super chill
If I had to compare it to ygo I'd say like my sweatiest mtg match so far is about on par with every locals I've been to in my area for ygo
Like in my area you almost never see anyone playing casual ygo
Unless they're like 10 years old
trail anvil
that's a mood and a half
atomic harness
Enjoy son
tardy echo
Death begets life is such a cool card
trail anvil
I like that mythic cycle tbh
even if they aren't super meta relevant they're all cool
subtle sierra
I wonder how roots will look post rotation
Cause if i wanna start playing irl post rotation i prob should start ordering some stuff now?
Like i can get roots itself and ig golgari lands
Do i priorize verge, blooming marsh or w/e the golgari shock land is called?
Actually do i really want the shock land in roots, you don't really go over 3-4 mana there anyway
twilit canyon
overgrown tomb is the shock
but overgrown isnt in edge of eternities
iirc not totally crunched out but its super unlikely
subtle sierra
Ah then ok
twilit canyon
it'll be legal in lorwyn most likely
subtle sierra
Pain lands are rotating right?
subtle sierra
Hmm surveil lands
Ik they surveil but i dislike them entering tapped
I feel like I'd rather play some other land that doesn't
Like my colleague will borrow me the deck and sent me a list for tomorrow, and it has 4 restless cottage and I'm very ehhhhh on them
twilit canyon
the surveils are way stronger than the cottages
oh right
starting town
that will be good to get ahold of
especially if u eventually plan to splash
subtle sierra
Idk yet about splashing
I'd really like a tyvar like effect for the deck but i think just playing a slower variant is more reasonable
twilit canyon
yeah but a haste enabler can be worth for sure
subtle sierra
I think you just rely on roots to give the mana idk
Starting town ofc helps a lot
But idk if you like, play 4 of them
twilit canyon
oh
if u are splashing, thats a 4 of
also not necessarily courage
they do print some haste enablers with some regularity
subtle sierra
The thing is that the haste enabler doesn't progress the game state
And iirc courage costs 4
twilit canyon
yeah thats the thing to look out for