Magic the Gathering

[steady onyx]

i wanna think tho

idk

esper is too hard for me i think

which is rly annoyig

[twilit canyon]

then you're cooked

[steady onyx]

?

[twilit canyon]

even rdw would be too hard for you

[steady onyx]

i can play rdw

[twilit canyon]

i've heard that lie many times

many people think they can play a red deck but they dont know how to play a red deck

[steady onyx]

ok maybe i dont

idfk man

but i thinj i can play red

[golden plover]

You can probably do decently well with Red if you can read

[steady onyx]

hows like temur or sultai?

like gy based stuff

[golden plover]

Hell, you probably don't even need to read to get to like platinum with mono-red

[twilit canyon]

pretty cooked

[steady onyx]

wait why

[golden plover]

Just turn everything sideways

[twilit canyon]

cus oculus is significantly better than any other gy based decks in the format

[steady onyx]

i got stuck in gold turning everything sideways

then got pissed at arena

cause i cant build decks

ans stopped playing

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

Wont fall for eldrazi propaganda

[sleek ferry]

Don’t ask me, I like using the early season to test cope

Currently testing mono green

[steady onyx]

is esper self bounce hard?

[golden plover]

The only real graveyard deck that's doing anything rn is rakdos

And even then that deck is cope lol

Oculus is fucking cooked

Deck is UNPLAYABLE rn

[sudden lava]

Anyway I gotta go ready for locals, we zombie gaming tonight

[sleek ferry]

Esper self bounce is hard because the deck sucks imo

[golden plover]

Ehh lots of stuff to learn your lines, but it's not too bad once you figure it out

Yeah, I've never been sold on Esper for self bounce

Dimir was better

[steady onyx]

ok

so fine dimir self bounce

[golden plover]

Orzhov was and probably still is better

After testing the Jeskai one today, I'm p sure it's in Jeskai now

The Abzan one looked kinda real too ngl

Esper is the most popular, but I think it's the worst build

[steady onyx]

what about jeskai convoke?

[twilit canyon]

solid

[golden plover]

Ehh, I don't think convoke is doing too hot rn

It'll be fine for a locals

But I think the deck is running into some real issues

It's too slow into the other aggro decks

[steady onyx]

it seems super weak into boardwipes

just from looking at the eck for my dirst time ever

[golden plover]

That's the nature of convoke for you

A single pyroclasm and you're out of the game

[steady onyx]

are there any "combo" decks in the formst

[golden plover]

There's omniscience combo

That's a pretty real deck

But the end line is pretty complicated

Tbh if you can figure it out you're good and you almost always win or lose on t4

That's the other nature of a combo deck in mtg. But coming from Yu-Gi-Oh that shouldn't be too bad

[steady onyx]

i kinda wanna try ngl

but it like dosent do jack shit if u cant pull off combo riht

[golden plover]

Yeah it's hard into the combo

Deck does control stuff as it's backup

[steady onyx]

hmmm

[golden plover]

But it cannot win the game if it can't see the combo

[steady onyx]

im kinda down to try it ngl

jeskai or azorioous better colors?

i assume adding red just adds like torch the tower and more removal to sideboard?

[golden plover]

Azorious is better for Omniscience combo

I don't think there's really a reason to branch out into red

[twilit canyon]

esper is the popular build

[golden plover]

They do use [[Jeskai Revelation]] to win now

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/196/jeskai-revelation

Jeskai Revelation <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand. Jeskai Revelation deals 4 damage to any target. Create two 1/1 white Monk creature tokens with prowess. Draw two cards. You gain 4 life.
"No one of us could have built all this alone. A clan, a school, hope for the future. Thank you all." —Narset, to Shiko, Taigam, and Elsha

[steady onyx]

wait i have one of these!

[golden plover]

But I don't think they actually intend to hard cast it?

[twilit canyon]

but its purely sb splash

yeah

[steady onyx]

i pulled it from my box

[twilit canyon]

you can go jeskai or esper for the theoretical "have to hard cast it" moment and some sb spots

[golden plover]

That does at least make the win easier than the old line

The one with the prowess gearhulk and looping invasion was very... Clunky

[twilit canyon]

in any case, oculus is still by far the more popular and widely played graveyard deck rn

[golden plover]

I dunno, I wouldn't recommend oculus at all

[twilit canyon]

for aero no i also really wouldnt

but its a better deck than the omni deck

[steady onyx]

hmm

[golden plover]

I disagree. Omniscience is showing more results

[twilit canyon]

actually i probs wouldnt recommend the omni deck to him either

[golden plover]

Both decks aren't amazing

[steady onyx]

oh

[golden plover]

But if you want a graveyard combo deck

[steady onyx]

what misty you would reccomend rdw

[golden plover]

Omniscience has better results and is seeing enough pro play it's like a real deck

[twilit canyon]

if you want purely challenges and mtgo

oculus has 2x the meta share

[twilit canyon]

yeah now this is a good deck

just make sure you include tersa

[golden plover]

Omniscience is also kinda too slow for ladder imo

Even a win takes like 10 minutes

[twilit canyon]

if you cant climb with rdw, you cant climb with omni

[steady onyx]

[steady onyx]

im
not playing ladder

this is for irl
play

im done with mtga

[twilit canyon]

all the more then

rdw is significantly cheaper

if you give me 20, i can send u my personal list

[steady onyx]

i mean sure why not ill play rdw

is it at least legal for a bit

this variant at least

and maybe its good cause i learn what rest of decks do

and i dont have to focus too much on my own gameplay

and can learn the rest of the format

[lusty trench]

I read that as like $20 and I was really confused

[twilit canyon]

you do

rdw is all about your own gameplay

[steady onyx]

oh ok

[twilit canyon]

sure, you get games where its easy as curving out

[steady onyx]

ig control is more about ur oppnents gameplay

[twilit canyon]

yep

literally

[sleek ferry]

Rdw is probably $20 tbf

[steady onyx]

yeah no i just kinda misinterpreted rdw as tenpai

[twilit canyon]

do you know why im actually insanely good at control? its bc i learned aggro first.

[steady onyx]

and so u go slep

then win

[twilit canyon]

yeah no

its a lot more nuanced

[steady onyx]

ok

i also do kinda line it

[twilit canyon]

again, you do get games like that

it just happens. some ppl are just bad

[steady onyx]

cause i like the playstyle of using ur own creatrures and pump spells as removal spells

it obv gets worse higher rated

but like its fun while it lasts

ok u convinced me misty ill play some rdw ill grab it now and play some maybe i even can play arena cause the deck built on arena is rdw

[twilit canyon]

i got back to my desk faster than the 20

[steady onyx]

[[tersa lightshfater]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/127/tersa-lightshatter

Tersa Lightshatter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Orc Wizard
Haste
When Tersa Lightshatter enters, discard up to two cards, then draw that many cards.
Whenever Tersa Lightshatter attacks, if there are seven or more cards in your graveyard, exile a card at random from your graveyard. You may play that card this turn.
3/3

[steady onyx]

wow that cards cool

all im missing on mtga is 3 of her

and the land

*4

[twilit canyon]

sb guide:
vs control/white midrange lists: -1 witchstalker, -4 manifold mouse, +2 chandra, +3 lithomantic barrage (if they show beza) or +3 lynx if they are on 3+ colors
vs midrange:
-2 manifold, -2 nemesis, +2 chandra, +2 lynx
burst lightnings and torches should be interchanged as needed ie: vs weenie/pixie, its best to a lot of cards

frenzy are good in the mirror too btw

good defensive or aggressive

burn spells are going to be used as burn spells (duh)

but tersa makes us more aggressive when shooting them

[steady onyx]

because she recasts them

wait a sec she feels insane

cause theres like nothing ur gonna wanna not cast from gy

and ur gy should be p small

[twilit canyon]

not as small as you'd expect

[steady onyx]

wait sorry i need to make sure i understand her

you randomly exile take that card pay its mana and play it?

and then it goes back to gy

not exile?

[twilit canyon]

read her again and closely

[steady onyx]

if there are 7 or more ok you exile 1 random sure and play it this turn? does play mean not pay mana

that would make more sense

[twilit canyon]

play means play

it means she can hit lands and let you play them if you havent done so yet

[steady onyx]

hmm

i see

oh wait the borderless are cheap and i fucking love these rarities

this is still money but thats all

so deck is like 60$!

damn ok

[twilit canyon]

irl itll be like 150 total

[steady onyx]

pk

[rigid scarab]

Probably going to head to an lgs for the first time in a while

My decks are gonna be pretty outdated lol

[lusty trench]

set is called tarkir dragonstorm
Look inside
No mythic dragons or dragon support remotely good in tribal

I'm honestly happy with this outcome

[steady onyx]

you mean my dracogenesis isnt crazy

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[twilit canyon]

outside of coping commander players, everyone know that the card was not gonna be great

[steady onyx]

i mean

the idk dracofinder?

seemed cool

[[dragonoligiist]

idk about power level of cards in mtg

but i liked that one alot

[lusty trench]

Dragonoligist is kinda whatever

[twilit canyon]

that card is bad

dont fall for a reflavored augur of bolas

[lusty trench]

The protection is nice but it's like... Really feels bad

Id sooner use the green orb of dragonkind

[twilit canyon]

no the protection isnt nice in this day and age

[lusty trench]

Too much non targeting removal?

[twilit canyon]

among other things yeah

[lusty trench]

I don't mind hexproof for casual commander pods cause those mfs are running like 3 pieces of removal to begin with but yeah

[lusty trench]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Aj7TNP0C9kudB8Uoma7jsg any suggestions ya'll, like obvious cheap cards I'm missing?

[past socket]

Dragonses to get those sneaky hobbitses?

[lusty trench]

yeeeeeeeeees

[gritty nest]

Genesis is a meme card

[lusty trench]

It's funny though

[steady onyx]

@twilit canyon wow u must be good at this game able to guess the price

[twilit canyon]

actually plays the game

[steady onyx]

is it ok if i dont get sideboard when ig et deck first time

and just grab later

[twilit canyon]

no

its part of the deck

would u play at locals without a sidedeck?

[steady onyx]

yes

[twilit canyon]

animal

[steady onyx]

if ur main deck is good enough u dont need a side deck

[twilit canyon]

[steady onyx]

if i have picked the 40 best cards

why do i need to change them

[zinc shard]

when you find a deck good enough to win without a sideboard let me know

[twilit canyon]

because you build mtg decks with the full 75

not the best 60

lol

[copper pecan]

in case you get into a bad match up

[soft light]

ishizu tearlament

[steady onyx]

yeah i played ishizu tear basically the entire format without a side

[twilit canyon]

and did you win any event during that format

[steady onyx]

yeah

i won at least 1 locals

[twilit canyon]

not lgs

[steady onyx]

oh

no

i didnt go to any

ok fine ill stop trolling i understand ur point

[sleek ferry]

Alright I might have been wrong about mono green

[steady onyx]

im just poor

[sleek ferry]

We might have some legs

[steady onyx]

tf u ending games with

[twilit canyon]

hes coping at a pace never seen before

unless u mean the ugin list

[steady onyx]

this?

wait misty is this a standard deck

[twilit canyon]

you're in another format bud

[steady onyx]

fuck rdw this looks cool

[twilit canyon]

also this list is fucking shit ngl

oh

nvm its timeless

actually

[steady onyx]

this one?

[twilit canyon]

its missing chrome mox who the fuck

[sleek ferry]

I don’t have wildcards for Ugin yet, so I’m playing a creature heavy build with realmbreaker rn with warden of the grove

[twilit canyon]

on some cope cards but

its better

[sleek ferry]

Also holy fuck, archdruid’s charm is a good card

[steady onyx]

this aint mono green, this is colorless with like the 3 insane fuckign green cards

elves beanstalk and hauntwoods

[twilit canyon]

and its missing like

most of the great cards for htis lol

missing bloomvine and glimpse

archdruid's charm too

that card is gas

i wouldnt run it in the standard list tho

colors are actually a concern even if you're mono green

unfortunate price of utility lands

[steady onyx]

this card?

this is mtg power creep no

[twilit canyon]

not at all

[steady onyx]

adding like 3 different cards into 1 card

[twilit canyon]

why?

welcome to the world of charms

[steady onyx]

ooh

charms are specific

[twilit canyon]

one of the oldest archetype of magic cards

[steady onyx]

ok

[twilit canyon]

of all time

[[piracy charm]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/78/piracy-charm

Piracy Charm <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Target creature gains islandwalk until end of turn. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls an Island.)
• Target creature gets +2/-1 until end of turn.
• Target player discards a card.

[twilit canyon]

this card is old as balls

but basically if a card is "charm", it usually has this ability to select one of 3 modes

never the most efficient at any, but often the versatility carries hard

[sleek ferry]

So check me out, I’m running 1 of each creature land, 4 llanowar elves, 4 warden of the grove, 4 wrenn, 4 innkeeper’s talent, 4 keen eyed curator 4 goldvein hydra

[twilit canyon]

eugh

that looks messy

i dont like goldvein

curator is also kind of eh

great board card but

this is also not wrenn's meta

i've tried her out in other things and she collapses fast vs any mid match up

basically: cautioning against wrenn, and the hydra

and side curator

pawpatch patrol is also like the best 1 drop to have in a mono green list

theres an argument too for surrak

[sleek ferry]

As far as curator is concerned, I think it’s pretty mainable rn. Too many decks use the gy

[twilit canyon]

kinda but its incidental

also idt this is a deck where you can afford to, or want to be holding up spare mana

hence the side

at most, 2 in the main

[sleek ferry]

It’s also just well statted as a 3/3 2 drop

[twilit canyon]

it is also competing with scooze

yeah but stats are kinda whatevers

scooze having a bit of life and counters immediately is great argument for it

looking at the card pool

[sleek ferry]

Oh huh, surrak is a good call looking at it now

[twilit canyon]

i'd really want to play [[mosswood dreadknight]] here

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/231/mosswood-dreadknight-dread-whispers

Mosswood Dreadknight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Knight
Trample
When this creature dies, you may cast it from your graveyard as an Adventure until the end of your next turn.
3/2

Dread Whispers
Sorcery — Adventure
You draw a card and you lose 1 life. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)

[twilit canyon]

tiny black splash for dreadknight

[tropic cape]

doing a precon commander league at my store, im torn between doing the raccoon bloomburrow deck or the ms bumbleflower, leaning towards bumbleflower tho

[sleek ferry]

Why not family matters

[tropic cape]

well originally i said naw cuz i was gonna make a bird deck, but family matters isnt really a bird deck honestly anywho, but i guess im settled on being the trash man or bumbleflower since ive never played a group hug deck

[zinc shard]

https://magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-standard-takes-flight-with-tarkir-dragonstorm

[sleek ferry]

How it started:

How it ended:

[gritty nest]

For the 10 companion commander decks, should I make each one 3c like the 2 I have made already, or should I do whatever the most unique is?

[steady onyx]

wrenn looks so cool

i wanna play mono green now

is it aggro?

oh yeah im close

i just need to craft the rest of the cards misty had

@sleek ferry how do i build mono green

and it is expensive?

[sleek ferry]

Don’t build mono green

1, I’m coping right now

And 2, mono green isn’t for the poor

[steady onyx]

i can basically finish this shit up

or try smt else

is worht to spend last rares on rdw?

@twilit canyon is this worth? or do i save for something else

i dont udnerstand mtga

i dont like it

but like meh atleast I can playt abit

[twilit canyon]

if you want to play the deck yeah

[steady onyx]

but like i cant rly build asnything else with this few cards rihgt

it will take a LOT more grinding to build anything else?

[twilit canyon]

depends. are you going to get good at drafting? are you going to actively try and climb beyond the metal ranks?

[steady onyx]

realisiticly no, ill prob play irl

but i just personally hate online ladders

ill try to push farther with this

we shall see

WHAT THE FCK IS THIS BULLSHIT

god i hate this stupid card

i just got cleaned by boros aggro

oh i somehow won

[trail anvil]

lol get used to seeing that card a lot, except probably in izzet

[twilit canyon]

its good in red stormy decks in general but boros is certainly a choice

[steady onyx]

it should be banned

[copper pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948945461597831218/1362631014341411068/3044b232-edf4-4000-9273-cc4653ad653a.webp?ex=68031886&is=6801c706&hm=16b503472d64e78014579a6713d2a9b9e89b7db6ea865b835e9778d127194858&

chicken jockey magic the gathering real...

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-steve-minecraft-movie-minecraft-movie-chicken-jockey-gif-2985572278122353640

its actually chicken joe

[subtle sierra]

Chicken joekey...

[past socket]

teehee Obeka go brrrrr

[golden plover]

Just beat Crokeyz

Fuck I was on stream? I wanted to see what he said lol

[trail anvil]

you can check on his youtube stream

better do it quick before it goes away forever lul

[sleek ferry]

Just added stadium hellraiser to the goblin list I hit mythic with last season

holy fuck that little guy solves so much

[golden plover]

Found it on YouTube. He comments on the deck once and then loses so bad he switches decks lol

The one card in his hand here was a Valgavoth he was one short of hard casting

[trail anvil]

yeah that's reanimator for you lol

[golden plover]

Yeah. Don't think the deck is amazing rn

[trail anvil]

thoughts on cuts here?

[twilit canyon]

the whole deck

-1 stormshriek, -1 focus, -1 wingspan, -1 roiling, -1 practicioner, -1 monument, -1 devotee

last cut could either be 1 dirgur, or the last focus the mind

[golden plover]

Stormshriek over Dirgur Island?

I think one of both is fine but no more than one of either

[trail anvil]

dang 2 mana filtering cuts I didn't expect

[twilit canyon]

you should play this draft as 2c splash the 3rd

[golden plover]

I'd keep the monument in

The Jeskai one is the worst one

[twilit canyon]

its by far the most efficient

[golden plover]

But they're never really dead

[trail anvil]

ic

[twilit canyon]

stormshriek is really whatever a card

[trail anvil]

I've only played this format sealed before

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt play it unless i was lacking playables

[golden plover]

I'm not sold on Agent of Kothis in this ngl

At least definitely not 2 of her

[twilit canyon]

agent is fine. you dont want to fall behind on board

[golden plover]

Agent isn't a huge impact on board and her renew is really lackluster

[trail anvil]

I figured she was fine for second spell and discarding

[golden plover]

She's fine for second spell yeah

But I'd def go down to 1

[trail anvil]

anyways ty

[zinc shard]

yes I would suggest cutting cards

[past socket]

Working on some other stuff but would love some recommendations in Esper colours for the future. Thank you in advance

[sudden lava]

yshtola

[glad peak]

Master of keys

Because who thought putting underworld breach that can fuel itself on a commander that could also be a beater was a good idea

[past socket]

Master of Breaches, if you will

[past socket]

Also impeccable art as per usual for Horrors tbh

[glad peak]

Absolutely love the art

Gonna start making higher quality proxies with full art and shatter glass foiling as soon as I can, excited to see how that would look

[past socket]

Also guessing a lot of stuff The Master of Keys likes is either in its own set, Duskmourn, or Theros: Beyond Death

[glad peak]

Nope, older

Much much older

Ancient magicks like the master of keys himself

[twilit canyon]

idt ive seen a newer enchantment in master. maybe tech but not much

[ornate cedar]

How is the Jeskai precon for Tarkir/what is the best one?

[glad peak]

For overall it’s Mardu iirc

But for interest it’s sultai just because you can jam a bunch of tutors + the four horsemen + payoffs into the deck and keep the rest the same and the deck will be upgraded by a ton just from that

[stark skiff]

Wait really? Ngl I overlooked it lol. Thought Sultai was the best one out of the box

[glad peak]

From what I saw mardu’s very strong

But sultai is solid

[sleek ferry]

All the value in sultai is in ureni

You take ureni out and the precon is mid

Oh wait that’s Temur

[lusty trench]

The new dragons in the temur deck are fine

The clone one, place down a permanent one and the two four cost red ones mainly

Nogi and sarkhan as reprint choices suck ass though I would've given them both up for a dragon that actually has an impact on things

[ornate cedar]

Hmm, I’ll have to look at both on my own time, thanks!

[steady onyx]

is it worth adding anything else with the wild cards I have?

this is the only non starter deck I have build

[twilit canyon]

dont build this deck further

[past socket]

Gingerbrute my beloved

[sudden lava]

The magic locals egg hunt I was in was fun

Got a showcase Shao Jun, Showcase Kolvori, Showcase Koll, dragon egg, and roc egg.

[steady onyx]

why

just bad?

[twilit canyon]

green has the worst removal

2nd worst? blue

this format is currently very aggressive and demands a lot of removal

[steady onyx]

ooh i see

so play black decks?

[twilit canyon]

you are also, not the fastest aggro deck on the block

[steady onyx]

cause they have the stupid removal

[twilit canyon]

you are also, not the most resilient deck on the block

the problem is you are both not as fast as red decks

but not as resilient as midrange/pixie/dimir/golgari decks

and you dont have the removal to justify it

[sudden lava]

FF leak

||We got untapping and additional combat steps, heck yeah aggro!||

[stark skiff]

hope papa @sleek ferry and papa @atomic harness approve

[atomic harness]

The left one is really good

[stark skiff]

didnt know you were down with the Orzhov

[twilit canyon]

hot

the mesa is so good

im thinking of eventually upgrading mine to these

[past socket]

Damn

[stark skiff]

im surprised its the most expensive one

[twilit canyon]

its beautiful and boros is popular rn

[stark skiff]

oh

[twilit canyon]

boros energy is still goated in modern

i see a few for 300 a pop on tcg player...

i could shotgun them rn as an early bday gift...

but i could likely get a deal at my lgs for a copy or 2

[sleek ferry]

The scales looking subtle here makes the cards look 10x better

[twilit canyon]

real

these are probs some of the best foils they have dropped

[molten scaffold]

IS THAT A MOOGLE?

[past socket]

There is indeed Moogles, kupo.

[sudden lava]

yes there will be moogles in the set

[sleek ferry]

Best commander game I’ve seen in a while https://youtu.be/pBm06C1y2_w?si=9a_B3Cgb_Kg1Z6kV

[sudden lava]

https://www.twitch.tv/magic/clip/CarefulCallousDinosaurBrokeBack-_mPqFGEuMFl0J5xO

Unbans this April 22nd

[stark skiff]

shit what do we buy out

[copper pecan]

sylvan primordial

[glad peak]

Dockside (coincidentally, I’m selling a dockside into the hype)

[sudden lava]

Buyout Lurris

sorry not Lurris

the otter

[[lutri]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “lutri”, can you be more specific?

[sudden lava]

[[lutri otter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/597/lutri-pauper-otter

Lutri, Pauper Otter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaur:292901509010817024><:manaur:292901509010817024>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Otter
Companion — Your starting deck contains no cards with a silver, gold, orange, or purple expansion symbol. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
When Lutri, Pauper Otter enters the battlefield, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
3/4

[sudden lava]

lmao playtest card

[lost widget]

No card found for “lutri companion”

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/f/b/fb1189c9-7842-466e-8238-1e02677d8494.jpg?1628801771

[trail anvil]

I'm expecting boring unbans on the first pass like coalition victory tbh

[sudden lava]

I know there is a low shot, but imagine if they said "Heck with it, Izzet you go have your pet otter"

[stark skiff]

i doubt dockside comes back. can see sylvan and lutri

[trail anvil]

maybe some cards at most unbanned and put on the game changers list

[stark skiff]

if jeweled lotus comes back gg

[sudden lava]

They did mention they will discuss the bracket system on the stream to

Lutri unban but is put on gamechanger list

[trail anvil]

I really don't think they undo the former RC bans this fast lmao

but I don't doubt these cards will spike

[stark skiff]

hope so

for all the bitching they were right tbh

[past socket]

I honestly hope they don’t undo the dockside list. Just purely out of spite for how the community acted

[stark skiff]

Nadu coming back boys

[trail anvil]

they were right about the bans, but the big issue was the execution of doing absolutely nothing then doing everything

[trail anvil]

let's uninvent this card tbh

[sudden lava]

Unban Golos 🙂

[trail anvil]

only if we get it on the exclusive banned as commander list

[golden plover]

Lutri can't come back unless it's banned as companion

[gritty nest]

you guys discussing the 22nds banlist changes?

[glad peak]

Black lotus

[sudden lava]

yup

[twilit canyon]

god bless

[stark skiff]

i mean we have Blacker Lotus

[past socket]

Powercreep truly run amok smh

[golden plover]

[[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] is testing really solid rn

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[golden plover]

Card does a ton when I side it in

Whoops sorry Pixie player, guess you just scoop

[steady onyx]

in what

like mardu monilize?

mobilize

[golden plover]

I'm trying Jeskai "pixie"

I've been alternating calling it Pixie or Cori Tempo (it's closer to the second, we only run 2 pixie)

Deck feels VERY real, but it's partially an off-meta pick and partially just because it's really strong

[steady onyx]

i dont like the stupid cori card

it has whooped my as son mono red

cahse i have 0 removal for it

[lusty trench]

all roads lead to xiangling but replace xiangling with cori

[golden plover]

Cori is a broken ass card yeah

Also, I wouldn't advise you to build this deck lol

Because it's got way more lines than I think you'd be able to handle so far

[steady onyx]

no

im jot

im building mono red aggro

[sleek ferry]

Well I got my 15 daily wins and it’s not even 11am

[golden plover]

Lmao I keep seeing roots decks on the ladder this morning. I'll take free wins

I can search for my RIP. I would not wanna be on roots lol

https://fixupx.com/col_amazonian/status/1914336998405624104?s=46&t=byGe0dhHv-krRTaPKz-sgA

Amy the Amazonian ☕ 💕 🤖 (@coL_Amazonian)

There must have been something weird going on with licensing, because Spider-Man will NOT be in Magic: The Gathering Arena.
︀︀
︀︀Mechanically identical cards will be in the game, but this seems like a really last minute change if we're just hearing about it now.

Quoting Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes)
︀
Through the Omenpaths and Digital Universes Beyond Updates #mtg
︀︀
︀︀magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/through-the-omenpaths-and-digital-universes-beyond-updates

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FixupX · Apr 21, 2025, 3:14 PM

Spiderman isn't coming to arena, getting a full set of universes within cards instead

[sudden lava]

Oh yup people keep finding more ways to crack the leaked Tifa card

[golden plover]

Why the fuck can't they release the in universe skins for spiderman in paper too

[sudden lava]

we hitting the slot machines tonight (I saw this is under a dollar, pick it up now)

[golden plover]

This is a random uncommon with like 5 printings

It's not worth anything lol

But fr, sucks to hear there's a whole set's worth of in universe skins for Spiderman that are never gonna see paper printings one less UB set on arena standard tho

[trail anvil]

I'm beginning to think you don't like universes beyond

[sudden lava]

it might jump up, I've seen a 1 dollar card jump to 13 cuz of commander. Gonna play it safe cuz I will be running it and pick one up now

[golden plover]

I mean, it's also just weird that there's all this art for an entire set's worth of in universe printings

[sleek ferry]

whatever gave you that idea komi

[golden plover]

And they'll never see the light of day because they're arena only

[trail anvil]

I dunno just a hunch

[golden plover]

Hey, maybe at least this will make them realize half of standard moving forward being someone else's IP is a bad idea

[sudden lava]

Annie Joins Up also is really solid for her, because no duh the commander that can trigger multiple times in naya wants additional triggers.

[sudden lava]

Also they confirmed ATLA will be in Arena

[golden plover]

Yeah it's only affecting the marvel ones rn

But still embarrassing as hell lol

Pushed for these cards to be in standard and then they're not even the crossover cards in the primary place standard is played

[sudden lava]

ye

[golden plover]

Lmao also worth noting, that UB sets won't come with an alchemy set. So alchemy is missing half it's releases every year now and is gonna be even more struggling lol

[copper pecan]

they're not gonna release two entire paper sets that are mechanically identical but with different art, they'd be competing with themselves for basically no reason

at least with this they can reprint the in-universe versions whenever they want

[golden plover]

True, but just seems like a big miss to have to already commission double the art and now it's gonna sit there until otherwise stated

Spiderman missing both arena and commander is weird tbh (no precons) really brings up questions what their plan for the set was

[copper pecan]

i'm not mad about this because i really dislike marvel so i'm glad i don't have to look at marvel characters

wait i think i just realized why they're doing this

it's to not step on marvel snap's toes

[sleek ferry]

oh good point

but isn't marvel snap deadge?

[copper pecan]

doesn't matter, disney is super controlling of its ip and arena is a direct competitor

[hidden ermine]

Wait it is?

[sleek ferry]

I remember Ace mentioning something about it, and he was a big snap player

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1363941915107659918/IMG_1390.webp?ex=6807dd65&is=68068be5&hm=5f274d3818b0d319ef860bc94c53e72ec1a6eb60db39a3e47c3a7332d8553421&=&format=webp&width=669&height=929

alchemy hamza

[twilit canyon]

oh thats super solid

[glad peak]

I wish there was manifest or morph or anything similar in dragonstorm

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/updates-to-arena-direct-events-april-2025

Arena directs now cost 1,000-3,000 more gems (can't buy 5,000 in one purchase if you wanna spend real money. Collectors box is 7,000. UB boxes are 8k????). Still don't reward below 3 wins. Can earn a second box on a 7th win? But also get arena packs throughout

Aka they made it worse but passed it off as "improvements"

[lusty trench]

Make sure to declare them on your tax forms

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[golden plover]

Also the new costs are encouraging you to spend more if you don't win the 50/50

$20 was exactly 5000 so if you lost you weren't left with anything, but to get 6k you need to buy 6800, and 8k needs 9400

[golden plover]

Oh and you still pay taxes on the boxes lol

[golden plover]

Wait are Spiderman's Arena Directs gonna be priced in-universe or out of it lol

[copper pecan]

how would it be priced in universe?

[golden plover]

Because it's an out of universe box you win

That now costs 3000 more gems

[copper pecan]

no i mean like

but aren't the in universe ones the same price

or am i missing something here

[golden plover]

There's a difference in gem prices for UB now in Arena Direct

[copper pecan]

oh

[golden plover]

In universe arena directs are 6k

[copper pecan]

wack

[golden plover]

Out of Universe is 8k

So the question is which is Spiderman gonna get priced at

[lusty trench]

Out of universe I guarantee it

[golden plover]

I'm sure it'll be 8k

But I'm drafting in universe cards

Okay actually I take it all back. Going 7-0 in Universes Within: Ravnica Arachnid Attack in arena and getting a box of Universes Beyond: Spiderman is the funniest shit

[lusty trench]

Honestly I just feel bad for the team that had to in universe a whole set

[golden plover]

Yeah same. Although I imagine anything that's a reprint got it's regular version

I wonder if they're gonna swap things for functional reprints too if possible

That'd be funky since technically the standards would vary then

[zinc shard]

Had someone [[Merchants Scroll]] for an Opt. EDH is wild

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https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/91/merchant-scroll

Merchant Scroll <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Search your library for a blue instant card, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Lat-Nam wizards trade knowledge on scrolls made of magic so they can better guard against thieves and spies.

[stark skiff]

Storm Count

[zinc shard]

Anyone have suggestions for fun commanders that do not originate from a precon?

[lusty trench]

What do you like, combo, aggro control

[zinc shard]

I tend to like combo decks and decks that win by out valuing opponents

[lusty trench]

Build flubbs

[trail anvil]

flubs is certainly a combo deck that exists

[glad peak]

Flubs certainly is a combo deck, wouldn’t consider it resources

[past socket]

[[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] maybe

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies

Queza, Augur of Agonies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Octopus Advisor
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
Some try to unravel the tangled skeins of fate. She reweaves them to her own deadly design.
3/4

[past socket]

VALUE THEM TO DEATH

Esper truly is the true villain colours

[sudden lava]

or

https://tcgplayer-cdn.tcgplayer.com/product/615626_in_1000x1000.jpg

[past socket]

Hopefully Queza wasn’t too evil a suggestion

[sudden lava]

what time is the stream tomorrow?

[zinc shard]

funny enough i was considering Yargle and Multani

[past socket]

Fair

Big number go brrr

Queza was honestly one I was considering/suggested going into an Esper rabbit hole

Since value fun

Murder by value very fun

[sleek ferry]

Flubs is cool and all, but how’s about a cooler resource generator

Helga is my girl

[past socket]

More forg

[sleek ferry]

There’s also, the other goat

[past socket]

The frogges of value

[zinc shard]

ty

everyone

[past socket]

Sure hope you like Queza at least

[zinc shard]

ill probably end up making most of these overtime

[sleek ferry]

I own glarb and flubbs, need to buy Helga

Though tbh, almost every legendary creature from bloomburrow is worthy of its own deck

[past socket]

Grolnok maybe?

All the Frog

[sudden lava]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaFqyiHAHhSGEC375AGkXH_x10hZbqoeVONQ&s

If Helga

[past socket]

But yeah suggested Queza since you aren’t just out-valuing them you’re literally killing them with value

Also has some infinites for that love of combo

[zinc shard]

also brewing [[Myrkul]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Myrkul”, can you be more specific?

[zinc shard]

[[Myrkul, Lord of Bones]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/287/myrkul-lord-of-bones

Myrkul, Lord of Bones <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — God
As long as your life total is less than or equal to half your starting life total, Myrkul has indestructible.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, you may exile it. If you do, create a token that's a copy of that card, except it's an enchantment and loses all other card types.
7/5

[past socket]

Wouldn’t blame anyone who dismissed Queza as “worse Nekusar” though

[urban crane]

Got nice bonus with my precon

[golden plover]

The 5c SL deck gets revealed and goes on sale at the same time as the ban announcement. It's totally got coalition victory in it

[lusty trench]

Someone ping me when the announcement is out

[past socket]

^ Same for me please.

[sleek ferry]

Epic pull

[sudden lava]

stream is at 10 am on weeklymtg

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

or 2 hours and 25 minutes after this discord post

[lusty trench]

7pm
Bruh my nap time

[twilit canyon]

number crunched this. for the average player, this structure is vastly superior to the old one. the 0-2 instead of 0-3 tilts the numbers towards that which enters the prizing being lot more forgiving, but it is harder to spike an event with a higher entry fee if you crash out often at 3 wins, but if you are reliable at 4, its just better

this changes nothing if you regularly got the 7 wins

or 6

[golden plover]

It's very marginally better rewards in the middle but the rewards for 6-7 wins are worse now and it costs more

6 wins only getting you one box instead of 2 for 1000-3000 more gems sucks

Also, even if you're really good, sealed odds cap at about 60% WR

So it's pretty much a 50/50 at best

[twilit canyon]

being fr, 90% of players are not hitting the 6 wins anyways

so the structure is better for most players

[golden plover]

These already weren't worth it

But they're worse now

[twilit canyon]

except it isnt. for the average player, its just better because of the more forgiving reward payout

[golden plover]

The 1000-3000 increase in asking is a big detriment

It was $20 flat

But now you have to spend slightly more and be left with an awkward amount of gems

Either way, these are a trap and should be avoided

The only way I could see this as a positive change was if these swapped to draft

Sealed has too much variance in your run and you can be screwed out the gate because your pool is unplayable

[twilit canyon]

https://bsky.app/profile/sierkovitz.bsky.social/post/3lnfoafgqd22n

Sierkovitz (@sierkovitz.bsky.social)

The new Arena Direct model is out (see link at the bottom for an excellent round up of the changes) and this gave me an opportunity to evaluate the EV of the event. As with every metric, it is not straightforward to evaluate but I used Cardmarket box price as return.

1/11

Bluesky · Apr 22, 2025, 12:23 PM

[golden plover]

Yeah they're marginally better overall, but they still feel like a money/gem sink trap imo

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-bans-and-restrictions-april-22-2025

breach is going to go hard as fuck

graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah gifts ungiven my goat

[zinc shard]

@past socket Banlist

[twilit canyon]

We would be plugging our ears if we did not acknowledge the elephants in the room when it comes to this series of unbans: the September bans of Dockside, Lotus, and Mana Crypt. Many players out there probably immediately scrolled down this long article as quickly as they could to discover the fates of these cards.

We did talk about these cards and are not unbanning them at this time.

Opinions from the Commander Format Panel varied. Some believe Commander is more fun without them, others would like more time to see how the Commander Bracket system is adopted before doing anything here, and others felt it's too soon to do anything with these cards. There were a few people who were open to doing something with Jeweled Lotus now, but that was not the majority opinion. The overwhelming majority of the panel did not want to do anything with any of these cards at this time.

I will be transparent and say that I believe if any of these are ever to return, the most likely one is Jeweled Lotus due to its one-shot nature, iconic feel, and ability to help support high-mana value commanders. I want to be clear, this is not me saying that will ever happen, but that was the one among the panel with the most traction.

I know many of you love these cards. Many of you are also glad you no longer have to play against these cards. There's always that kind of push and pull with powerful and potentially ban-worthy cards in Commander. I appreciate there are many people in both camps, and that no matter what happens with these cards, somebody will feel like they didn't get the result they wanted. However, we wanted to talk about the cards here honestly and what was said internally for transparency.

These cards will be something I'm sure we'll talk about next year. But for this year, the book is closed on these three cards.

[lusty trench]

gifts
TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE

[twilit canyon]

goated honestly

[zinc shard]

So, we are committing no further changes to the banned list for the rest of this year.

[twilit canyon]

good

set expectations

[lusty trench]

Gifts is such a wild unban but I vibe with it

[zinc shard]

Honestly didnt even realize it was banned

[twilit canyon]

also good on them detailing why some things are still banned

[rigid scarab]

Harmless list

Which is good

If tergeid can be rule 0’d out and be fine

Braids can be rule 0’d out and be fine

It’s significantly easier to rule 0 commanders than play patterns in general

[lusty trench]

Is gifts good enough to justify 4 mana?

[rigid scarab]

Gifts is a fine card

And a pretty fun card without obviously enabling degenerate stuff

[golden plover]

World's safest unbans but still cool

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

Trouble and Trinisphere no longer game changers

18 new ones

Aura Shards as a game changer feels wrong

[sleek ferry]

I agree on if any of these cards coming back, it should be jeweled lotus

[rigid scarab]

I think their explanation for it is sound enough

But dont agree on their argument for field

[sleek ferry]

Deflecting Swat on the game changers list? Idk about that one chief

[rigid scarab]

Red can never have nice things

[golden plover]

Ehh, I don't think it's worth listing as a game changer

[sleek ferry]

They’re basically saying “so you want to be in red? Well fuck you”

[golden plover]

Sure you sometimes pop the board, but lol? Why

Yeah the game changers make red unplayable btw

[rigid scarab]

I mean

Oh no not my optimized bracket 3 red deck

[golden plover]

It went from red's 2 good cards to all three

[rigid scarab]

I think its moreso just being a semi-permanent stax on artifacts and enchantments

[golden plover]

Ehh, just pop the aura shards

Literally run interaction

[rigid scarab]

Yeah but I mean

You can argue this for

Literally any stax piece

[lusty trench]

pope this would require casuals to run interaction

[rigid scarab]

Or any card on game changers

[lusty trench]

And a good amount at that

[sleek ferry]

Let’s be honest, it’s moreso than just running interaction. Casuals also don’t know how to threat assess properly

[golden plover]

Aura Shards is SO MUCH WORSE than every other game changer

[sleek ferry]

They remove minor inconveniences with their removal

[golden plover]

It's insane to put it on the list lol

[sleek ferry]

As opposed to saving it

[rigid scarab]

To be clear

Aura Shards I understand but dont agree

If I were in charge aura shards wouldn’t be there

But I can see it

I do not get putting field of the dead on there

[sleek ferry]

Field of the dead is a game changer? LOL

[golden plover]

Field makes more sense than aura shards

But also lol

[rigid scarab]

But yeah imo if we say “Run interaction” to every card

Sure it applies to some

But if we take that argument then no card should be on game changers

[golden plover]

Run interaction is a valid response to some things like AURA SHARDS

Card only pops off if unchecked for like 5+ turns or someone goes infinite

[rigid scarab]

So its a removal magnet?

Which most cards on the game changers list

Tend to be removal magnets

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much, but the others win the game

Aura Shards just pops your sol ring lol

[golden plover]

God it's insane how much they hate red's 4 good cards in commander

[rigid scarab]

It also denies any deck based on artifacts and enchantments which are becoming increasingly common

“While it is important to have limiters on artifacts and enchantments in games of Commander, some cards can go overboard. Aura Shards
is a permanent source of removal, consistently destroying build-around cards, mana rocks, and even the odd creature. Many popular deck archetypes have trouble fighting through an Aura Shards—especially since it's in a color pair full of putting creatures onto the board. While a one-shot sweeper like Vandalblast
is totally reasonable, this persistent effect on the game is something we wanted to hit.”

Figure it be posted here since we’re talking about it

[twilit canyon]

lol

[lusty trench]

Personally I think it’s less an issue of limiting reds good cards and more so that there’s such a gap between reds good and other cards that it feels bad to play the colour

[golden plover]

Yeah true

I dunno how you fix red in commander at this point tho?

You'd have to like turbo push damage spells?.

[rigid scarab]

Aren't they trying to push red for like

Big creatures?

I guess?

Kinda sorta storm?

[lusty trench]

That’s usually greens thing big creatures wise

[golden plover]

Red still rarely gets big creatures

And they limit the storm stuff because people don't like playing against storm

[copper pecan]

they're giving red ramp now

[golden plover]

The issue with red is that it's two most common play styles are either really bad in commander or deemed unfun

Storm is considered unfun

And aggro/burn have to deal with 8x the amount of life to beat through

[rigid scarab]

Red has 1 purpose in mtg

Be used on arena to get new players hardstuck gold

[golden plover]

So red struggles in commander because it doesn't get enough support

[golden plover]

Red is probably the best constructed color in standard, pioneer, and maybe modern rn

The issue is 20 to 1 is a lot easier than 40 to 3

[rigid scarab]

Outside its purpose

Neuter it

[sleek ferry]

Rdw is also just a genuinely great deck to learn the game

[golden plover]

That's another issue for red ig

You can't push it much more in constructed formats

[twilit canyon]

red has so many good cards in commander rn

[golden plover]

Which ones? I feel like the best red cards are all the ones on the game changer list

Blood Moon isn't on the list by name, but it's in the MLD category

[twilit canyon]

vandal, blasphemous, ragavan, jeska's, breach, tersa (genuinely goated as fuck), chaos warp, storm-kiln artist, bonecrusher giant, shatterskull smashing, cori-steel cutter, court of ire, deflecting swat, gamble, etali, professional face-breaker, valakut awakening, birgi, simian spirit guide, tibalt's trickery, cursed mirror, wheel of fortune/misfortune, dualcaster, pinnacle monk, mizzix's mastery, spiteful banditry, blood moon, imperial recruiter, you can argue for purphoros and ancient copper dragon and xorn

and gobling engineer

abrade is still great as is untimely malfunction

people will swear by big score for specific decks too

reb/pyroblast too

the numerous amount of rituals in red as well

[golden plover]

Yeah red has good cards but most of these are utility stuff. I still think red is by far the worst commander color

[sleek ferry]

Half of these fall more under playable than good imo

[zinc shard]

Dont know if it was mentioned, but the 5 unbanned cards are also Game Changers

[rigid scarab]

Bonecrusher?

[golden plover]

Yeah when we're having to throw stuff like bonecrusher and court of ire in the same conversation as stuff like swords, blue's counterspell options, or dark ritual, I think the color might be a bit struggling in commander lol

[sudden lava]

they have their eye on farewell

[golden plover]

As a game changer or a ban?

Because both are hilarious lol

[sudden lava]

gamechanger

[twilit canyon]

bcg

[rigid scarab]

No I know the card

But why is it in the same convo as

[twilit canyon]

i think you underestimate the playability of the cards in question

[rigid scarab]

Deflecting Swat

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/P38DsBMs6vA?t=968

[twilit canyon]

if we are talking strictly cedh, then red is the best color rn

if we move the scope out, then red's easily top 3 colors for a casual crowd

[rigid scarab]

I just dont see the vision of a modal 4/3 or a shock

[golden plover]

Cedh is mostly midrange stuff rn. Red is fine, but I think it's definitely not the best cedh color

[rigid scarab]

Being in the same vein as like

Kikki Jiki

[twilit canyon]

then you arent paying a lot of attention to cedh

[golden plover]

I'm playing plenty of cedh, red exists but it's not the best color imo

[rigid scarab]

Is bonecrusher like a cedh red staple or smth?

[twilit canyon]

granted, the one thing that tilts this more is also gifts. that card further enables breach

[twilit canyon]

no but i wouldnt mind running it in some piles

not my stick but it does kill grand abolisher and ruins some niche protection spells too at once

and the body blocks and attacks for tymna

not entirely unusual

[rigid scarab]

So it has

[sleek ferry]

We talking cedh or tournament edh? Because Magda being a tier 1 deck is not because of the red cards lol

[rigid scarab]

Some niche playable interactions in some cedh matchups

[hidden ermine]

Wait what in the world made red the best colour in cedh?

[twilit canyon]

underworld breach

jeska's will

deflecting swat stealing wincons

[rigid scarab]

I dont see how that makes bro be in the team Im not gonna lie

[twilit canyon]

ragavan being the most optimal attacker for tymna

[golden plover]

Red piles still have to compete with Thoracle consult

And that's online faster

[twilit canyon]

reb/pyroblast being some of the best interaction spells

[sleek ferry]

Crazy that the best red deck in the format, literally doesn’t play ragavan or breach

[twilit canyon]

as a solo color, i wouldnt put red at best, maybe you can argue magda

[twilit canyon]

the best red deck plays both?

[golden plover]

Red is fine in cedh but I'd still argue it's the worst color

[twilit canyon]

tymna kraum runs both cards

[golden plover]

Both in casual and cedh

[rigid scarab]

If Im gonna be real I think we're reaching the point where "Best/Worst colour for commander" doesn't really matter?

[glad peak]

Also Magda runs ragavan and some variants are on breach just because of how crazy that card is

[rigid scarab]

The best balancing act for edh

Is your convo at the table

Not hoping a colour gets a cool new piece

[twilit canyon]

tymna kraum are also on birgi

and final fortune

[rigid scarab]

The fact that I can ask "What's the worst colour for edh" and not have a clear answer is a good thing

[twilit canyon]

yeah

we are quite far from the days when playing red or white was throwing

[sleek ferry]

Show me a Magda list on breach and I’ll show you somebody that literally has no idea how to play the deck

[twilit canyon]

like almost a decade off

[golden plover]

Oh a more important note I think it's really funny they said they can't unban Lutri because they can't make "banned as companion" which they absolutely could do

[twilit canyon]

person who doesnt know how to play the deck

[golden plover]

They could also just remove the companion loophole from commander in the first place lol

[rigid scarab]

Its to reduce confusion

But also "reducing confusion" is a flimsy argument anyways

[twilit canyon]

im sure i could ask shake right now if he'd play rags or breach and he'd say yes

[sleek ferry]

Cedh and tournament cedh are 2 completely different metas, Magda cannot afford to play bad cards like breach when it does not = a win in the deck

[glad peak]

I play Magda and a bunch of the variants, you do play breach in some

[golden plover]

It's such a lame argument when companion increases confusion by existing the way it does in EDH tho

Companions shouldn't work in commander

Companion only works in commander because of an exception to the rules

I think losing it to free Lutri is worth it

[trail anvil]

I like it when people actually bother to build their deck around a companion like omori or obosh though

also couldn't they just errata lutri to make it not work in commander? something like "your starting deck has no cards with the same name and contains 60 cards"

[golden plover]

Yeah I think they're interesting, and there's no winning either way unless lutri just gets "banned as companion" which is a really easy fix

Oh that works too

[lusty trench]

I was on the otherside of a oboshi vial thrower deck

Painful

[trail anvil]

either way this is a pretty cool change to the game changers list. I agree with pretty much everything. I know they addressed game changers being in precons but it feels a bit weird to talk about crop rotation in a lower powered deck 😭

it's probably still the right decision

[last glen]

in theory that would force you to play 60 cards in the traditional formats to use Lutri
when you could theoretically want to play more than 60 cards

[lusty trench]

“And your deck doesn’t have exactly 100 cards”

[golden plover]

I can't swap my Lutri for Yorion G2 now

But I do think it's the solution

[trail anvil]

I mean does it really matter? companion is meant to be a restriction anyways

[steady onyx]

wait commander banlist today

where do i find

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/P38DsBMs6vA or https://www.twitch.tv/magic

[steady onyx]

thanks

[sudden lava]

also

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1364255536740302951/image.png?ex=6809017a&is=6807affa&hm=c9f37d7461403f39be3f61be8427d5129ff4ffe8d16930819bee6df66aec0b6c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[trail anvil]

yeah as expected. those unbans are pretty free minus panoptic mirror

I imagine that's gonna be fine though

[lusty trench]

Panoptic is free too tbh, it’s only annoying use cases get edged out by brackets

[trail anvil]

oh wait it's at upkeep lmao, I was confusing it with isochron scepter

[golden plover]

Panoptic is a 10 mana win the game card

I think 10 mana is fair for those

[trail anvil]

it's a 10 mana win the game card after an entire turn cycle

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1364291584224657561/Y25-DragonbloodTwins-DA.png?ex=6809230c&is=6807d18c&hm=553b413f455a8f6e600ff498c7f8bc27ef39f28db2fe993ab96d3092d51da932&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=575&height=800
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1364291584769921034/Y25-ThunderbondVanguard-DA.png?ex=6809230d&is=6807d18d&hm=ad06feebe847fd3905e71e1d7cff242cab01b6e6d92c82cd1746064e5f87da08&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=575&height=800

new alchemy cards

[trail anvil]

jesus that token card gets out of hand quick

[gritty nest]

I can’t wait to see a braids deck at locals then tell them to fuck off

[lusty trench]

People are speculating why the new lairs foil price is so high compared to the non foil is that wotc is basing it off the foil value of the cards inside on the secondary market (which haven't seen reprints in foil and as such there are 2 cards in foil above $50)

[golden plover]

Yeah $60 foil is insane. Oblivion is $50

You know they're gonna go "oh tariffs lol"

[past socket]

There goes my villainous plot to play Partset and Notion a thief in Bracket 2 /j

[trail anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0rLzAsEfJU

[trail anvil]

you say /j but people unironically do not have the social skills to not include this in a bracket 2 deck

[lusty trench]

Just took psychic damage from someone comparing Cori to bitterblossom

[sleek ferry]

Ngl, I’ll never understand the point in building decks like Beza

It makes sense for commanders that win on the spot like Rocco, but playing a commander that does a thing 1 time defeats the purpose of commander imo

And it’s not even an interesting thing

Which makes it worse

[past socket]

But yeah jokes aside for Queza, I just didn’t want to because it just felt too mean to my pod if that made sense

[lusty trench]

There's value brain and engine brain for commanders

[trail anvil]

some people like gimmicks, and mono white blink + setting yourself behind on purpose is a gimmick

[past socket]

I wanna engage in some villainy but I’m not trying to be Genghis Khan

[lusty trench]

Value brain doesn't care how many times the commander does the thing just that it's relevant enough to matter once is good enough

The engine brain uses the commander as the center of engines

[trail anvil]

for whatever it's worth he got decent value out of the fishes in this video

[past socket]

I just like Queza because murder by value funny and card draw makes my brain do the zoomies

[tropic cape]

Guys... I think it's time to finally build shroofus

[lusty trench]

Damn gifts ungiven went up to £6 from 35p

[glad peak]

Are you teaching your group about interaction or something? The only reason I’ve heard established players playing shroofus or krenko was for that purpose

[golden plover]

I should've bought the double masters art months ago

[glad peak]

Damn, gifts was 6? I remember it when it was a dollar

[lusty trench]

Either this gets cancelled and it's no skin off my back or I made a good buy

Reminds me of the time I sold dockside jewelled lotus and mana crypt 2 months before the banlist

[stark skiff]

I love my Phelia blink deck

[zinc shard]

I should have a Gifts Ungiven in my bulk, just gotta dig for it

[trail anvil]

sounds fun, do you just have a lot of flying granters to make it able to attack easily?

[stark skiff]

yea the usual evasion like Regalia and Rogue Passage, but honestly since it comes down turn 2 its usually a decent 4/4 by the time others get going. Plus you can usually politic with someone to just chump it since it doesnt have to connect and you can do them a favor by blinking Loran or w/e

[golden plover]

Ngl I'm kinda sick of hopeless nightmare

Feels like a game was decided by them getting to play 3 by t3 half the time against pixie

It's not banworthy per say, but it's real fun to lose my whole hand before I can interact

[sleek ferry]

I started playing squee because of it, and it's so funny watching the realization of "oh fuck, he just has a live body always"

[golden plover]

I can't justify a squee in Jeskai cori, can side in spell pierce but if I'm on the draw or don't see them I guess I just lose 2 out of my hand before I get to play

[trail anvil]

side monument to endurance ez

or baloth

[golden plover]

Can't side Baloth in Jeskai

Monument might come down too late

[trail anvil]

says who

[golden plover]

Can't hard cast it

Monument might be worth trying in the side

[subtle sierra]

There's that 4 drop that uses either green or white mana

Idr the name

[trail anvil]

wilt leaf liege

[subtle sierra]

[[wilt-leaf liege]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/668/wilt-leaf-liege

Wilt-Leaf Liege <:mana1:292901508373282827><:managw:292901508977000448><:managw:292901508977000448><:managw:292901508977000448>

Creature — Elf Knight
( can be paid with either or .)
Other green creatures you control get +1/+1.
Other white creatures you control get +1/+1.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard this card, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
4/4

[subtle sierra]

Yeah

[sleek ferry]

oh this is nice actually

[subtle sierra]

It doesn't heal but it's something

[sleek ferry]

and it has 4 power which is relevant

[subtle sierra]

Isn't the monk token white?

[trail anvil]

you aren't realistically hard casting this on time in a 3c deck though where 2 of your colors are nonwhite

[[cori steel cutter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/103/cori-steel-cutter

Cori-Steel Cutter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and haste.
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess. You may attach this Equipment to it. (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, the token gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Equip

[trail anvil]

yep

[sleek ferry]

btw, I've decided, Gruul is the move for green

and not mice gruul

[golden plover]

Wait I'm stupid we can side wilt leaf liege

Forgot that card existed yeah

[zinc shard]

found the deck i wanna make

[[Marchesa, the Black Rose]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose

Marchesa, the Black Rose <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
3/3

[sleek ferry]

classic

[golden plover]

Just saw the take that unbanning coalition victory was a mistake because you can have it live t2???? With what cards? Leyline of the Guildpact?

[sudden lava]

The card is garbage though

[waxen timber]

Coalition Victory is 8 mana. Who cares if it's live by turn 2 when you have to wait till like turn 5 to cast it

Biorhythm still being banned is such a joke. Craterhoof isn't even a game changer and that actually wins games

[golden plover]

Wait I got it

T0 Leyline, t1 Land into Elvish spirit guide into [[Channel the suns]] with your ancient tomb down and a ornithopter

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/84/channel-the-suns

Channel the Suns <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Add .
To some the birth of the fifth sun was a sign of doom. To others it was a sign of salvation. But to all it was a sign.

[golden plover]

But with my perfect 7 card combo I cast it on t2

And yeah, Biorhythm and Prime Titan should be free

[waxen timber]

Erayo, Iona, Prime Time, Rofellos, Library of Alexandria should also have been unbanned

I don't understand why Rofellos is banned. It's not for Power Level cause he wouldn't be a top CEDH deck.

It's not playstyle cause he makes a ton of mana but, that is what ever green deck does

[glad peak]

Tbh people said that about dracogenesis and people still think that card’s good

[glad peak]

In the latest article they said it was because he made too much mana too quickly but I thought that was kinda the point soooo idk lol

[past socket]

Green players deserve nothing lmao

[gritty nest]

Craterhoof shouldn’t even be a game changer

[trail anvil]

it's not?

[gritty nest]

It’s not

But I say that for anyone who says it should be

[trail anvil]

I mean why even listen to anyone who says it should be

[zinc shard]

not a game changer, more of a game ender

[past socket]

Wonder what would be some examples of what could be classified as Group Slug

[stark skiff]

Valgavoth

[sudden lava]

[[kardur]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “kardur”, can you be more specific?

[sudden lava]

[[kardur, doomscourge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/223/kardur-doomscourge

Kardur, Doomscourge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Demon Berserker
When Kardur enters, until your next turn, creatures your opponents control attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.
Whenever an attacking creature dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
4/3

[past socket]

I’ve seen [[Nekusar]] referred to in the same vein as well

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer

Nekusar, the Mindrazer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, Nekusar deals 1 damage to that player.
His enemies wondered if the lich king's brutal death and unnatural rebirth had been his plan all along.
2/4

[sudden lava]

yeah Nekusar is groupslug

[zinc shard]

finding Game Changers in my bulk is hard @-@ saw a Notion Thief without realizing it was a GC and now I cant find it again

[rigid scarab]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xO9ex7o5j38?si=7zRolLx9VsJBtF2W Reminds me of this

[golden plover]

Hmm against control decks that side in riverchurn monument (not super common I know, but some Azorious and Dimir decks do it) do we side in RIP?

I don't know if it's worth it, but it turns off their monument and Jace

[golden plover]

God this deck is good

[gritty nest]

True. I’ve also heard sphere of safety should be a game changer

[glad peak]

???

By that logic any and all removal spells should be game changers because they change the way I play if my thing gets removed

[gritty nest]

Exactly LMAO

[copper pecan]

neat

[twilit canyon]

he

pampered

[zinc shard]

Seth (probably better known as Saffron Olive) is loving life rn

[twilit canyon]

no way

[lusty trench]

Two of dem thangs

[twilit canyon]

if it was suspend 3 for abzan would it really have been too broken

as is, theres no reason to suspend it

[glad peak]

Welp guess I’m making modified proxies for my cube

Mostly for the pampered boi but that opens up everything else

[sudden lava]

I can't wait for Final Fantasy spoilers next month

less then 3 weeks away ❤️

[zinc shard]

Insidious Roots about to go crazy

[trail anvil]

I feel like that's said every set lol

[twilit canyon]

this time, fr

(fr, fr, again)

[trail anvil]

seeking 2 on etb is pretty damn nice though

it's the two types you always want too

[twilit canyon]

no yeah this card baseline is great