Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

i think ultimately this is just a cope boros convoke list but it cant be worse than the orzhov list

[sleek ferry]

Nah, because you never feel threatened by the Orzhov list, so you can largely ignore 90% of their creatures

Here you have to answer voice of victory and Arabella

[twilit canyon]

yeah thats what i said. it cant be worse than orzhov

but its def not as tuned/focused as convoke

being threatened by the creatures you play does weaken the reanimate portion

but you are also not playing as raw of creatures as boros convoke is

but, a good middle ground has never hurt a deck really

can be worth trying

i think though

you start, by grabbing a base convoke list

[sleek ferry]

Yeah for sure, but there’s something there I think

[twilit canyon]

then, cut some tech cards for raise the past

see how that feels

start adding in other non-convoke stuff except for knight-errant

[sleek ferry]

I think this is also finally the first non cope home for [[bitter reunion]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/156/bitter-reunion

Bitter Reunion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.

[twilit canyon]

ideally you dont play this card

[sleek ferry]

You kinda need the draw power unless you’re playing for tempo every game

[twilit canyon]

thats why i say start boros convoke and move across

so u can gauge the power level of the cards you are adding

if adding reunion bricks you, cut it

but start pure convoke + raise the past

then go about adding stuff

[sleek ferry]

Sigh, tomorrow can’t come soon enough

My mind is in peak condition

My wildcards aren’t though

I got 5 and 5 and 25k gold

[trail anvil]

I have zero

23k gold at least

[twilit canyon]

im walking in with 102, and 15

some 80k gold and like 10k gems after i crashed out on getting to mythic in aetherdrift draft

[sleek ferry]

I still suck at limited

[trail anvil]

mood

[sleek ferry]

And draft

But nobody can say I suck at constructed at least

[trail anvil]

I think I might save up for draft this set though cause sealed was super fun

[twilit canyon]

i can

i personally did not figure out aetherdrift draft tho

like i understood but i never truly did get it

[sleek ferry]

Catch me in top 50 mythic for tarkir

[twilit canyon]

end the season top 10

[zinc shard]

Think I just found my next commander

Nevermind, there are no good Oxen

[twilit canyon]

its a good thing his good effect doesnt care about oxen

and he makes oxen too

[sleek ferry]

I play this in my Naya legends deck I made in standard for the sake of quests

This goes crazy

Especially when you have Annie joins up out

[zinc shard]

Storm player's going off, how's everyone's night

[gritty nest]

LOL

It’s going, I think I figured out the deck I’m using for the precon league

[zinc shard]

Oh God they found [[Mana Flare]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/103/mana-flare

Mana Flare <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, that player adds one mana of any type that land produced.

[glad peak]

i'm so sad mana flare + damping sphere doesn't work

[zinc shard]

Grapeshotted to death

[trail anvil]

I can't wait for tomorrow tbh

[twilit canyon]

repost

[sudden lava]

Noting its not just 1 creator, it be multiple like Voxy

[zinc shard]

thank you for telling me 8 hours after i posted it

[glad peak]

gonna repost it in 8 hours

[twilit canyon]

and then i'll repost it again 8 hours later

[sudden lava]

very curious what kind of SL its gonne be

[lusty trench]

Someone pulled all these in one play box

[sleek ferry]

Brb, buying a play box now

[lusty trench]

Just had my temur roar order cancelled

Brilliant

[sleek ferry]

Cool rulings to know for rl play btw https://x.com/karsten_frank/status/1909252225320255494?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Frank Karsten (@karsten_frank) on X

Rules question: How does Taigam, Master Opportunist interact with specific alternative costs?

For example, if I cast Overlord of the Balemurk for its impending cost, does Taigam's copy enter without time counters? And if I evoke Solitude, do I have to sacrifice the copy?

X · Apr 7, 2025, 2:29 PM

[lusty trench]

Fellas do I build ureni using singles or just take the L that my deck got cancelled and move on?

[steady onyx]

im buying 2

one for draft

one for myself

lets pray i get that lucky with mind

[fallow citrus]

don't you have like no money

[lusty trench]

I have a small amount of money for hobbies

[fallow citrus]

I mean areo

[steady onyx]

i mean i work

so not rly

i have income

[sleek ferry]

Areo is a professional LARPer

[steady onyx]

i mean ur not wrong

i teach larp classes

and get paid for it

🤷‍♂️

[sleek ferry]

my packs are literally telling me to build abzan lmfao

0 voice of victory, 0 stadium hellraiser

[zinc shard]

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

GOnna be a stream addressing MTG Arena soon

[subtle sierra]

[zinc shard]

They knew the "Momir" cards could get the Tarkir creatures and decided to go with it

"With 4 player coming in the future" !!!!??????

[last glen]

Arena 2 moment?

[sudden lava]

Tempest technique arriving before thursday locals, lets hecking GO

[glad peak]

Friend wants to make this deck, probably a bad idea to let the eminence ability stay an eminence lmao

[zinc shard]

Sounds like they're introducing "Groups", so you can have a group of people that play together so its easier to Rule 0

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/state-of-the-game-2025-spring-edition

[lusty trench]

This just never will be cast lmao

[glad peak]

I know, that’s the problem

Which is why i said if the eminence portion was gone lol

[lusty trench]

Even then it feels busted

Ehhh maybe not busted but easily abused

[glad peak]

Eh at that point it’s not too bad

It’s very strong but not busted like with eminence

[lusty trench]

It's mainly just one creature gimmick decks that turn this card in your command zone into any creature you want

[glad peak]

You’d still have to pay the cost of the creature and the commander at that point

Another broken part is that you don’t cast the creature, it just comes into play

[lusty trench]

We did it fellas, we broke thassas consultation

[glad peak]

I mean, it’s another way to get thassa’s but that means literally no other creatures

Maybe a couple 1 drops

But basically anything less and you risk hitting the wrong card and anything higher you risk hitting thoracle instead of anything bigger with the 3+ options

There is a line though, where you can always threaten lethal with 7 mana and 2 creatures in deck (and only leveler and thoracle in deck) and 2 cards in hand

Cedh viable? Definitely. Top tier? Probably not (and I’m talking about the version where it can’t use the ability in the command zone)

7 mana zero card combo to win the game and it doesn’t even have the restriction of bad colors

[sleek ferry]

Alright

Ignore the mana base, this creature lineup is crazy

Cori steel cutter feels so good also

Oh whoops I forgot to add siege

Okay, this is better

[twilit canyon]

this looks pretty mid

card quality here is not good

cut helixes

and lightnings

cut end

squire is also bad

[lusty trench]

I fucked up one mo

[copper pecan]

most cards don't have more than 8 lines of text on them

[lusty trench]

there we go

[lusty trench]

A lot of it is the names and flavour text and I didn't remember how mtg short hands legend names

[copper pecan]

why does it make creatures blocking it gain trample? also how is it supposed to activate the tap ability if it needs to be attacking in order to use it in the first place?

[lusty trench]

? it doesn't have to attack to use it

[copper pecan]

how is anything supposed to be blocking it if it's not attacking?

[lusty trench]

you use it blocking to save it while getting the experience counter trigger

I wanted it to be the flavour of neo metal observing the characters fighting and then leaving

[copper pecan]

creatures with blocking gaining trample doesn't do anything because trample only works if the creature with it is attacking

[lusty trench]

ahhh I see

there we go

I made the transformed side strong cause its a pain to get to

[twilit canyon]

thats a lot of text for a creature with no protection

that flipped side is also not strong enough for the conditions to get there

[lusty trench]

It can delayed flicker itself whenever it wants but I made the reverse side vulnerable just cause I didn't want it to be slam win the game but I'm guessing that's not strong enough to justify the effort

What would be a good payoff for the flip side?

[twilit canyon]

given that theres no incentive to attack you while you control metal sonic, meaning you really will never get experience counters outside of goad in 1v1

and the fact you need 7

and metal sonic cant block multiple creatures meaning its at least like

7 turns off from doing this successfully and has at least one block that sucks for it

it needs to win the game

[lusty trench]

Damn I didn't think about them not attacking, not sure how I missed that

Trying to think of a better way to do it without losing too much flavour

I could do it whenever he attacks or blocks I guess?

Still feels eh but

combine that with poliferate effects to get you to the reverse sooner?

[twilit canyon]

remove the flip and make it like mishra

remove exp counters too

they suck

just such a mid mechanic

what im made of could easily be an effect like deadpool's

where it gets the effect of something on etb

[lusty trench]

Could make metal overlord its own card yeah, which mishra are you talking about?

[twilit canyon]

the meld one

[lusty trench]

so give it an attack trigger that drains them then transforms once conditions are met?

[twilit canyon]

if you really want something to do with exp counters

have it trigger on cast, and as it resolves, it enters as a copy of x creature or artifact except it keeps this ability

and every time you cast it and gets an exp counter, it copies x abilities

or x creatures

[lusty trench]

is there an existing framework for copying a creature abilities without swapping them?

[twilit canyon]

deadpool

[lusty trench]

doesn't he swap them?

[twilit canyon]

not exactly

[[deadpool]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1753/deadpool-trading-card

Deadpool, Trading Card <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Mercenary Hero
As Deadpool enters, you may exchange his text box and another creature's.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 3 life.
, Sacrifice this creature: Each other player draws a card.
"Draw me like one of your French cards."
5/3

[twilit canyon]

you dont need to add the swap

as x enters, you may copy the text box of another creature.

idt u need to do exp counters here

[lusty trench]

I kept the counters just cause I like the idea of him slowly ramping up but it might be a bit much now

secondary design

gives it one level of protection, and allows you to change what it copies

[twilit canyon]

and dont forget the meld

if you want to get metal overlord a card/spot

[lusty trench]

I might just make a seperate artifact that handles the meld for it later

call it "BioData harddrive" or something

[past socket]

So like a version of Meld Urza

[lusty trench]

for now I'm happy with it though, ty Misty

[lusty trench]

Got bored did these

BioData Hard-Drive is boring but it's probably fine

I can't decide if metal overlord is too weak or too strong

[twilit canyon]

a bit weak still

mostly cus the meld is pretty bad do nothing

[lusty trench]

Might make it so it gives like two experience counters so it lets you protect neo metal better

Or gives him a static keyword ability

[twilit canyon]

make it an equipment

gives metal ward 2 and +0/+2 with vigilance? meld ability cheaper to compensate but needs to be equipped to meld

etb should also do something

maybe tap + stun something

[past socket]

Like the idea of making it into an equipment and meld requiring it being equipped

[twilit canyon]

and metal overlord needs to do more. it does very little still imo

[past socket]

Flavourful as hell

Trying to think of a Meld that would be a good example of a well-designed Meld payoff

[lusty trench]

How's this?

[twilit canyon]

equip 2 metal sonic

and meld grixis

[lusty trench]

So make the equip cheaper if it's metal, and add a cost to meld?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

could go to equip 1 even

[lusty trench]

Is there precedent for equipment becoming cheaper for specific names?

Eh I'll make it equip to robots cheaper, it's a niche enough card type

[twilit canyon]

idts but there are cheaper equips for legends

[lusty trench]

So like this?

[twilit canyon]

looks fine

[lusty trench]

So all three together

[golden plover]

Deadpool came in, got the regular bonus card

[trail anvil]

it's jeff!

[sudden lava]

Blahaj!

https://preview.redd.it/vt2kjqsoz0u91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=821ebc24cfe0885c6fc3aedbec9239c877385958

[golden plover]

Was hoping for the other bonus card

But Harmless Offering is funny too

[trail anvil]

eshki feels so solid as a brawl commander 👌

took me a few brews but I think prowess-type stuff goes best with her?

[zinc shard]

bruh Jump In for this set sucks

I've played 3 Mardu decks in a row

and just cant keep up with the token spam

[zinc shard]

Well this reward made the experience worth it, this art is SICK

[trail anvil]

apparently the mill jump-in pack is actually unplayable because they forgot to give it synergy or a wincon

[zinc shard]

... that explains why i was having such a hard time

I started with Sultai and figured "hey, self mill will probably help"

[gritty nest]

So are any of you planning to get the dragonstorm commander decks?

[zinc shard]

I already picked up Sultai Arisen, debating getting the Abzan and Jeskai ones

[sudden lava]

Nah, but I am picking up a single from the Jeskai one

[golden plover]

@sleek ferry I think I solved Mardu

We were looking at it the wrong way

[sleek ferry]

I already settled on a similar list like this but in boros

I think if you go mardu you can’t afford to run bad cards like packbeasts, storm singer and elspeth

[golden plover]

Elspeth is crazy, but we might cut elspeth 4

I wanna run more of the siege

[sleek ferry]

Also not running cori is crazy, that card is absolutely bonkers

[twilit canyon]

this list looks wrong

its missing a ton of solid adds

you are going way too deep on value while having aggro curved creatures

that clash will suck

[golden plover]

Yeah I dunno the ratios or list yet but the idea is there

[twilit canyon]

there is no reason for this to be mardu

[sleek ferry]

do boros, run delney, cut elspeths except maybe 1 of the 5cmc, maybe impact tremors, run arabella

[twilit canyon]

remove helix from all decks

[sleek ferry]

helix to face wins games

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1359561521881153596/image.png?ex=67f7edd6&is=67f69c56&hm=0382b042a4501ee9c726cd51cd8ad136ee0212491996a2ffd6243be2cd00648c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[twilit canyon]

yeah not when im at 18 and you're about to get wrecked

[sudden lava]

They sent individual streamers 1 card each of an SL deck

[sleek ferry]

My helix does 18 damage, gg

[sudden lava]

LMAO

taurean mauler, morophon, etc

[sleek ferry]

oh wait, wasnt the reveal for the new SL commander deck today?

[sudden lava]

Yes thats this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1359560473837834551/image.png?ex=67f7ecdc&is=67f69b5c&hm=4bcd127d4fe1306bd84fc3afdc47a397de00b5e4b54ba50f835a879397eaa408&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

This is Amy's card

[zinc shard]

Guessing it's Shape shifter Tribal

[sudden lava]

Voxy btw

OH Zbexx got sol ring?!

WHA

[lusty trench]

Flavour text goes harder than the art imo

[lusty trench]

Lair isn't for me but the art goes hard for a lot of these (not huge on the sol ring but that's not a dig on the quality of the art just not my preference)

[stark skiff]

wtf the cards being picked are nice

[trail anvil]

https://youtu.be/-biWuhZQBs0?si=6q08Pby8ZYnXR47y

[lusty trench]

The rares usually are

[zinc shard]

oh boy Prof!

[sleek ferry]

tarkir boxes went up from prerelease lol

[golden plover]

Is it finally the time to main board norn?

She wins you the game against 2/3 of the decks to beat

[zinc shard]

trying to find a fun Spellslinger commander

im torn between [[Anhelo, The Painter]] and [[Balmor, Battlemage Captain]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/1/anhelo-the-painter

Anhelo, the Painter <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Deathtouch
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn has casualty 2. (As you cast that spell, you may sacrifice a creature with power 2 or greater. When you do, copy the spell and you may choose new targets for the copy.)
Every work of art is a hit.
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/237/balmor-battlemage-captain

Balmor, Battlemage Captain <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain trample until end of turn.
"Even the most hardened armies are ill-equipped to defend against an onslaught from the sky."
1/3

[broken fjord]

New Narset seems like a fun spellslinger, perhaps.

[past socket]

Seen some cool stuff with Anhelo and Treasures

[twilit canyon]

i was testing a deck for someone i didnt expect to get such a beautiful concession out of it

also honestly good lord getting an actual match in brawl is impossible. people do not play it out ever.

[steady onyx]

ngl yeah

[sleek ferry]

Am I bugging or is Temur far and away the best sealed color combination

[trail anvil]

yeah

[glad peak]

Not sure about sealed but sultai is probably slightly better than temur

Sultai is also much much harder than temur to play so for most people temur or Mardu are probably the strongest

[sleek ferry]

@golden plover

Pretty much what I’ve settled on

I still want the 4th cori

[golden plover]

Similar to what I'm trying but I'm not sold on Arabella or Delney

Also, love losing a match because I'm mana flooded g1 and mana screwed g2

Very fun to just not get to play cards either game

[sleek ferry]

I like Arabella because she’s a removal magnet, and you’re not going to be able to out card advantage me

[golden plover]

I guess the biggest question I have is how do we win against monored

Because I feel like we don't

[sleek ferry]

you just side for them ig

[golden plover]

God I'm so sick of mono-red tho

Great cool

Fun game

GG you drew better

[twilit canyon]

you kept a hand with no interaction turns 1 and 2

[golden plover]

Yeah I should have mulled but I didn't wanna run risk of mulliganing into a worse hand

[twilit canyon]

this hand is a bad 5 though

you can do better than this hand easily

[sleek ferry]

the state of mono green is so bad, it's funny

[twilit canyon]

its gotten a lot better

but it is still feeling far behind all other decks

[sleek ferry]

Fun deck

Can’t wait to optimize it with some more wild cards

[twilit canyon]

innocence and caretakers is greedy

pick one

i think the siege is just strictly worse than warleader's call

[sleek ferry]

probably just innocence then, the body is nice as a blocker early

[twilit canyon]

imo you could cut both. or side innocence

[sleek ferry]

I think the siege's versatility is super nice tbh, the fact that the tokens it creates have life link has came in clutch too many times

[twilit canyon]

yeah but you lose out on raw power

[sleek ferry]

I'm bugging out, why the fuck am I not on torch the tower

[twilit canyon]

bc you dont maindeck that card in convoke

[sleek ferry]

I consider this more of Boros tempo than convoke tbh

[twilit canyon]

you shouldnt be

not yet anyways

considering that boros convoke got a lot of buffs rn

you should start at convoke and work your way out

[zinc shard]

Draft token in store today

[sleek ferry]

[[sunspine lynx]]

[twilit canyon]

discord api issues

[sleek ferry]

Who the fuck is Api and why does he have issues

[sleek ferry]

@golden plover did you see this? https://x.com/saffronolive/status/1910092329978900776?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive) on X

Mardu seems legit.

X · Apr 9, 2025, 10:07 PM

[golden plover]

Oh??

[sleek ferry]

Skrelv might be what I was missing. I felt like the deck needed 1 more 1 drops

But nothing felt right

Skrelv makes sense since t1 skrelv, t2 voice feels better that way

[golden plover]

I don't think I've got any skrelv unfortunately

I'm missing most of this list yeah

[sleek ferry]

Zoraline I think is a better choice over Mishra tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah I like Zoraline a lot for something like this

[sleek ferry]

This could work, but I’m also short on wildcards

[golden plover]

Same. And I don't wanna spend them on something I'm not 100% on

[copper pecan]

reading the mtg manga and i really like how they drew negator in this panel

[twilit canyon]

was this the cope list he was brewing not too long ago

oh yeah its literally worse boros

take this exact list, make the mana better, remove the cope, and you instantly shoot up to a tier 2 deck

[trail anvil]

of all the cards to be missing I'm surprised it's this one

[golden plover]

I've never played a deck that runs him

And I didn't draft that set much

ONE has a shitty draft

[trail anvil]

really? maybe I'm just so used to him cause esper legends was big for so long

[golden plover]

I didn't play as much standard then

[twilit canyon]

save the wildcards

[sleek ferry]

I’ve actually been coping on Boros equipment again, fun times

[sudden lava]

got to try out tempest technique in action today, the techniques alone were giving +60/+60 (12 enchantments out) to my commander

[gritty nest]

is DMU and BRO still in Standard?

[zinc shard]

Ye

https://whatsinstandard.com/

[gritty nest]

I’ve read that like

14k times

I keep getting told it rotated out

[steady onyx]

hmm

what do i pick up for standard deck post tarkir

anything fancy

or do we not know yet

[gritty nest]

Was there any standard legal set with decent mana ramp options?

I don’t imagine cards like farseek/rampant growth/cultivate/kodamas reach are in standard

[twilit canyon]

cultivate and kodama's are not great cards but we have the new bloom dragon

which cultivates forest

we also have a farseek/rampant growth for only forests

and overlord of the hauntwoods is in standard rn

also all those cards went through standard at one point or another

[gritty nest]

yeah, i figured they all had at some point, just werent in at the moment

im looking into standard legal sets for a thing im participating in. it involves cracking standard legal packs

[sleek ferry]

Bad take imo https://x.com/ashlizzlle_/status/1910514684484018402?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

The Ash Lizard (@Ashlizzlle_) on X

After 3 days of 8 hours of Tarkir standard im convinced the format got one massive problem:

All the threats are unreal powerful and all the answers to them are so mid

Cori cutter feels impossible to cleanly answer and thats gonna be taking over standard very soon

We are cooked

X · Apr 11, 2025, 2:06 AM

[glad peak]

I have an interesting problem: friend is having a birthday and they already confirmed commander. I want to introduce commander sealed to them (they’re down to do so as well) but space is limited

[sleek ferry]

What’s the issue

[glad peak]

Well, initially it was a draft but definitely no space there

I’m now trying to figure out if I should just scrap the idea and just get precons

[trail anvil]

you're saying you don't have faith in the 2/2 haste prowess trample generator?

[sleek ferry]

I just don’t think it’s a problem. Cori existing is a good thing because now you don’t lose absolutely everything to boardwipes

[glad peak]

It’s definitely overtuned

But we knew that

[sleek ferry]

If the token creation wasn’t opt I would agree, but I think it’s fine for now

[glad peak]

I wish the token didn’t have prowess

As is it’s a problem that becomes very hard to deal with

[twilit canyon]

the cutter would get gutted by k command

though a lot of takes have been whining about standard so early

theres like a new thing to complain about every day on "i cant believe they would print this its so broken!" only for it to just slot into the meta just fine

give it a few for ppl to call tersa lightshatter a mistake for how it fuels oculus

[golden plover]

Honestly my issue with Tarkir is the opposite

There's a ton of cool and interesting cards that should be strong

But Standard still has the same old guard that's not letting anything new really pop up yet

[twilit canyon]

and both takes would be wrong lol

[glad peak]

I think it raises the power of standard just because the cards are good but I don’t think they’re so good it becomes dragonstorm constructed with some support from other sets

[twilit canyon]

everything has been getting new toys. some decks a bit more than others. keeping everything at a relative balanced state

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, the presence of tarkir is noticeable

[subtle sierra]

what's cori cutter?

[zinc shard]

[[Cori Cutter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/103/cori-steel-cutter

Cori-Steel Cutter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and haste.
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess. You may attach this Equipment to it. (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, the token gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Equip

[subtle sierra]

ah, aggro

suddenly not interested again

[golden plover]

That's... Not the right word for that TCGPlayer

[trail anvil]

oof

[twilit canyon]

zurgo's secret revealed

#cancelled

[barren cairn]

[glad peak]

yeah i remember making that mistake in my notes too tbh

[sleek ferry]

Picked up some of the theory o had for Abzan today

And man, Abzan just feels so good

The card quality in the clan cards alone between Abzan and Mardu just feels night and day

[twilit canyon]

what cards

[sleek ferry]

Severance priest and kin tree severance are bangers

The 4 drop that revives is solid too

[twilit canyon]

remove those from the tcgplayer cart

/hj

[glad peak]

[[severance priest]] [[kin tree severance]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/222/severance-priest

Severance Priest <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Djinn Cleric
Deathtouch
When this creature enters, target opponent reveals their hand. You may choose a nonland card from it. If you do, exile that card.
When this creature leaves the battlefield, the exiled card's owner creates an X/X white Spirit creature token, where X is the mana value of the exiled card.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/200/kin-tree-severance

Kin-Tree Severance <:mana2w:292901508771741696><:mana2b:292901508469489667><:mana2g:292901508695982080>

Instant
Exile target permanent with mana value 3 or greater.
"For his crimes—burn his blood and cut him from his ancestors. Perennation is only for family." —Dictate of House Mevak in the banishment of Oret

[glad peak]

What’s wrong with the card quality of Mardu?

[past socket]

Abzan, more like Abzamn!

[sleek ferry]

It’s not as good is all I’m saying

Zurco isn’t as good as severance priest

[golden plover]

Severance Priest feels like ass

You give them a 4/4 in exchange for Thoughtseize

[sleek ferry]

A 4/4 vanilla is better than giving them a combo piece

[twilit canyon]

we have a single combo deck in the format tho

[sleek ferry]

Did we ever discuss this btw https://youtu.be/BUtuAUZOOxo?si=6b9-g-CN0uy1Cfci

[glad peak]

Pioneer had my favorite memories ngl

I remember playing gideon of the trials and continuously drawing into an empty deck and then draw going a mill player

[gritty nest]

i dont get it

[glad peak]

clans vs klans

very unfortunate mistake

[gritty nest]

oh

[gritty nest]

i picked up one of my favorite commanders to rebuild. i dont care if people dislike it normally, i love the dude

[zinc shard]

who

[gritty nest]

[[!Ulalek]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/4/ulalek-fused-atrocity

Ulalek, Fused Atrocity

[past socket]

Ah yes Eldrazi

Forgot some came in colours technically

[rigid scarab]

||Carl really saw the 1 game he didn't have turn 1 grazer and decided to make create a new one so he could open it again||

[gritty nest]

i dont like titan turbo eldrazi

[glad peak]

Eldrazi are pretty mid, idk why people hate them so much

[trail anvil]

casual players are bad at threat assessing eldrazi decks since their power comes in sudden surges

same reason why they hate mill

[glad peak]

Well mill makes sense since most people don’t have a good understanding of statistics and think that what they milled is what they were owed in a draw

Eldrazi are just big guys who sometimes does things

[trail anvil]

annihilator ptsd

[glad peak]

[[petals of insight]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mma/60/petals-of-insight

Petals of Insight <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery — Arcane
Look at the top three cards of your library. You may put those cards on the bottom of your library in any order. If you do, return Petals of Insight to its owner's hand. Otherwise, draw three cards.

[glad peak]

Currently seeing play in pauper high tide, it’s a tippy taps deck

[sleek ferry]

@golden plover

District mascot is a super fun card

As is Warden of the Grove

I actually think Warden of the Grove is super underrated rn

Since all the attention is on Cori and voice

I’m actually so much more exited about this deck than mardu

Just based off early testing with a far from optimal list

[lusty trench]

Well it's a repeat issue now

Tarkir officially has god boxes intentionally or not

(most packs in the box have their uncommons replaced with special guests)

[stark skiff]

Rich

[fallow citrus]

is dimir dragons a thing?

[twilit canyon]

not entirely

but jeskai has been so far doing me very well

[fallow citrus]

just decided to hop back into playing with my admittedly outdated list

[glad peak]

I remember that standard season

[fallow citrus]

and I'm just getting rinsed

this game at least

[glad peak]

Silumgar vs silumgar

[twilit canyon]

you could easily build something for them in standard rn

marang river regent is a house

[fallow citrus]

yeah that card sounds brazy

I just dont have any rare wildcards rn

[twilit canyon]

the one thing u do have to contend with in dimir is why you arent playing a bounce plan. but i think the dragons and spells around them avaailable should be a god enough reason to do so

[fallow citrus]

I need to look at what's in the standard meta rn anyway

[twilit canyon]

the big 3 are mono red aggro, domain zur, and esper pixie

in tier 2, theres a fuck ton of decks

jeskai oculus, boros/jeskai convoke, temur ramp, esper omniscience, orzhov midrange, mono-white tokens, goblins

various flavors of bounce

various flavors of ramp

azorius control

[fallow citrus]

might have to return to caveman and play some monored to farm packs

What's esper pixie?

[twilit canyon]

[[nurturing pixie]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/20/nurturing-pixie

Nurturing Pixie <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
When this creature enters, return up to one target non-Faerie, nonland permanent you control to its owner's hand. If a permanent was returned this way, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
"Count yourself lucky I came upon you. This is not a world of second chances."
1/1

[twilit canyon]

its the bounce deck but splashing white for this and the new 2 mana flash bouncer

and some other small synergy pieces in white

[fallow citrus]

oh neat

I need 10 more rare wildcards for rdw

zur seems kinda fun

[twilit canyon]

it can be

tho a good chunk of that deck does rotate this next rotation

even if they have extended the period

[fallow citrus]

maybe I will not build it then

[twilit canyon]

its a great deck, and it will be around longer than people think due to how rotation has been adjusted

but it is the first deck leaving us basically

[fallow citrus]

what does rotate out and when

[twilit canyon]

zur

and this winter

zur, leyline binding are both leaving

the 2 most notable pieces of that deck more or less

[fallow citrus]

just played against rdw

these sure are some cards lmfao

[fallow citrus]

just won a game in the golgari mirror by having glissa remove 3 oil counters from their archfiend

[trail anvil]

yeah that's why you should always block glissa when you have archfiend lul

[fallow citrus]

yeppers

[lusty trench]

Can someone tell me why the Reaver titan is so expensive?

There a new vehicle brew that uses it?

[glad peak]

[[reaver titan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/40k/163/reaver-titan

Reaver Titan <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact — Vehicle
Void Shields — Protection from mana value 3 or less
Gatling Blaster — Whenever this Vehicle attacks, it deals 5 damage to each opponent.
Crew 4 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 4 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
10/10

[glad peak]

I remember there was a YouTube video about this but idk

Commander gonna commander I guess

[zinc shard]

Yeah there was a video hyping it up because most single target removal in commander is 3 or less mana

[trail anvil]

wizards why do you do this to me

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52aJ5uUPSmg&ab_channel=VeggieWagon cuz of VeggieWagon hyping it up

[trail anvil]

rg artifact
wild note all around, but damn this dude got specifically folded by meria huh

[zinc shard]

Post work pack luck strikes again

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/CdXPJzkj1_s?si=mUkIs3pzve4k7YW4

[trail anvil]

ayy lumra

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/3d-5ATWO7UKIKyYex_o5UA

I’m rebuilding this, besides optimizing lands, what else could I add you guys think?

[lusty trench]

Resisting the urge to say just play zhuldok

[sleek ferry]

I can’t make this up, first 8 mills were all lands

I would have gotten mana flooded crazy if I didn’t mill them

We still won though

[subtle sierra]

i love turn 3 otks

[sleek ferry]

oh yeah, the mossborn hydra stuff is funny

not good though

[copper pecan]

mossborn hydra is one of my all time favorite designs tbh

[sleek ferry]

it's simple and straight forward

I'm going to keep saying that [[warden of the grove]] is my favorite green card in ages

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[gritty nest]

zhuloshit

[sudden lava]

God do I hope edges of eternity gives us mono-red alien typal support

[zinc shard]

\

[sudden lava]

OH yeah, today we get the full list

I think

[stark skiff]

had a quick question for an effect like the third one on Innkeeper's Talent? Is moving a counter from one permanent to another the same as placing?

[gritty nest]

I think so

[[innkeepers talent]]

[sudden lava]

To move a counter from one creature to another, the counter is removed from the first permanent and put on the second. Any abilities that care about a counter being removed from or put onto a permanent will apply.

122.5

[gritty nest]

Hey so like

For pride this year

I’m gonna build 4c blackless mutate using [[Rex Nebula]] and [[ivy spellthief]] as my commanders

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https://scryfall.com/card/unf/164/captain-rex-nebula

Captain Rex Nebula <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Pilot Employee
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose target nonland permanent you control. Until end of turn, it becomes a Vehicle artifact with base power and toughness each equal to its mana value, and it gains crew 2 and "Crash Land — Whenever this Vehicle deals damage, roll a six-sided die. If the result is equal to this Vehicle's mana value, sacrifice this Vehicle, then it deals that much damage to any target."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief

Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
Whenever a player casts a spell that targets only a single creature other than Ivy, you may copy that spell. The copy targets Ivy. (A copy of an Aura spell becomes a token.)
2/1

[gritty nest]

Can I ask you guys for rulings when it comes time to play it?

[glad peak]

Sure?

[zinc shard]

oh right i should figure out what im playing for that event

[sudden lava]

It will be after FF releases so Im probably gonna play Tifa with someone else in the Limit Break precon

The funny option would be Order/Chaos Deans (Note I am adding these into the list)

[zinc shard]

I could play Bruna and Gisella

[sudden lava]

That way I can have 3 commanders 🙂

[gritty nest]

What happens if I animate an enchantment room then mutate it? What rooms are locked and unlocked and can I unlock more rooms?

[glad peak]

probably? there isn't a stipulation on whether a room can't be a creature to open iirc, just that the name gets changed/added

[gritty nest]

This is meant to be a rulings nightmare deck

I wasn’t actually planning on building it though

[glad peak]

if i can play in the pride event i'm playing rog/5c

[gritty nest]

?

[glad peak]

0 mana commander + 5 colors

busted, not even allowed in cedh

[gritty nest]

Rograhk with esika

[glad peak]

Nah, can probably do a better 5c commander

[gritty nest]

Kenrith

[golden plover]

Ngl Izzet prowess is very real

[twilit canyon]

aside from sucking into rdw, it is good

[golden plover]

Oof the mirror feels awful tho

Kinda feels decided t1

[twilit canyon]

only if ur bad

or its game 1

and you both kept an aggro hand

[golden plover]

I dunno, I guess it's more decided t2

But I dunno how you win OTD

Especially if one player drops a cori and the other doesn't

Because you can't deny them down enough to prevent them from running you over while also developing a board

[twilit canyon]

removal

lol

the same way u beat any other red aggro list

prowess is even softer to removal overall too

it gets to play spell pierce ig

but overall, and especially cutter, are really not great into removal

[golden plover]

I dunno, you're not making a board if you're spending all your turns removing things

And then they'll just have an explosive turn and you lose

[twilit canyon]

thats why your cards are cheaper than others

otd, land, torch their swift

t2, hold removal

[golden plover]

It might not be as one-sided as it feels with some practice

[twilit canyon]

t3, cutter -> removal

[golden plover]

But the mirror feels rough

[twilit canyon]

its not

its only rough if u dont know how to play aggro mirrors

[golden plover]

I think the issue is moreso playing around cori. If it hits the board in the mirror it feels like gg

[twilit canyon]

far from it

cutter is the most okay card in the mirror. for some decks, they cant beat it. but your deck, its the least threatening card in the mirror

maybe the 2 drop haste mice

[golden plover]

The list doesn't run Emberheart Challenger

[twilit canyon]

??

stop playing cope lists online

while i think challenger is like

the one card that i'd drop asap, its still at the very least, way more playable than a lot of shit ppl toss into these lists

[golden plover]

I haven't seen a list yet on Emberheart

[twilit canyon]

no wonder prowess lists are getting their ass beat

[golden plover]

It's competing in a slot you're already tight on (2 drops)

[twilit canyon]

they are probably on just cori, showoff, swift, and talent

[golden plover]

And you don't enable it's valiant naturally

[twilit canyon]

i hate other izzet players they overthink their own deck

[golden plover]

The only card in the list that can is monstrous rage, unless you wanna ping your own shit

[twilit canyon]

the most popular rdw lists are also, on just rage as the consistent trigger for this effect

[golden plover]

Slickshot kills them faster if you're running something just for prowess

[twilit canyon]

the lowest i'd go on creature density, even with the cutter, would be 18

[golden plover]

Rdw has 3 ways to trigger it naturally

Rage, their land, and manifold mouse

It's much easier to enable Emberheart there

[twilit canyon]

thats really not a lot and manifold is removal magnet

the land is the only one other than rage and its really not enough

[golden plover]

Manifold being a removal magnet is important too. Means he'll connect more often

There's 0 reason to run Emberheart imo

Especially because the cori tokens are the exact same card in this deck, but you've got an unlimited amount. And they've got trample

[twilit canyon]

thats a sunk cost. the density of creatures is vital to a prowess deck and cutter is not a creature

its also not a 2 drop

its a 3 drop

[golden plover]

Cutter not being a creature matters too

It turns on prowess

[twilit canyon]

18 creatures and 22 non-lands is plenty

[golden plover]

The decks are on 12-14 creatures (not counting Cori, but counting Stormchasers)

And Cori and stormchasers both triggering prowess is again, very relevant

[twilit canyon]

yeah no wonder they arent having success

[golden plover]

Deck is doing real well rn. Won challenger leagues last night, it's 75% of what I'm seeing in mythic

Deck is good

Only deck it's not beating in the meta rn is likely burn, but that's 50/50

[twilit canyon]

winning a challenge is not an indicator of deck strength

[golden plover]

You're favored into Mono-Red and Boros, 50/50 on Leyline, and unfavored into gruul

I mean, there's not been any Tarkir events yet

And between arena and mtgo, the stats seem to align with Izzet Prowess being good

[twilit canyon]

i said it was

but the builds ppl are playing?

ass

garbage

i've done better on a 4 am bender

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think I hard disagree on this one. I think the list will tighten up with time, but there's no shot they start playing challenger. I think the list is tight, but I expect a few small changes in the future

I think the people brewing it know what they're doing and it seems good

[twilit canyon]

idt challenger but i also dont see a lot of these lists going far without refinement. and it'll include some more creatures

18 is a good stopping point

[golden plover]

https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/780854555535622144/hi-mark-i-personally-love-the-extra-mechanics?source=share

Good, the less shit that's not on the cards to track the better

[glad peak]

Yeahhh, keep that shit in commander

[golden plover]

Honestly even in commander they're annoying

Well the ones that aren't that player only

Dungeons is whatever because they're the only one that has to track it

Initiative is awful because everyone has to track it

And Day/Night is a terrible design all around

Everyone has to track it, even if there's not a card that cares about it around. Because there's like 3 instants that care about it, and it affects what side a werewolf enters on

Imo, Day/Night is one of the worst designed mechanics of all time. Up there with companion

[copper pecan]

day/night is nowhere near as bad as companion

companion was like "we need to change this or it will ruin every format forever" levels of bad

i don't think any other mechanic even comes close to as bad as that

day/night was annoying but not like format ruiningly annoying

[twilit canyon]

you dont begin tracking day/night until it actually comes up with a card too

[golden plover]

Yeah but day/night is really poorly designed

And it sticking around after they leave is a hassle

Lots of pioneer games had to track it in the past because of the one black werewolf

Mechanic was a mistake

Companion is a great draft mechanic, it's just REALLY broken

There's not a world where Day/Night is fun at all

[copper pecan]

day/night was fine in limited too though

like, in a format where it matters day/night is totally fine

[golden plover]

Even then, it's tedious to track physically

Especially if one player had like 2 werewolves

Players will forget what the most recent turn was if someone didn't have a day/night guy out

And you've gotta backtrack the whole turn to figure out if it's day or night

[copper pecan]

if people can't even remember what happened during the current turn then they're gonna have problems with a lot more than just day/night

[twilit canyon]

god forbid they are asked to track damage at the end of turn

[copper pecan]

if people can remember storm just fine i don't see why they can't remember if they casted two spells during their own turn

[twilit canyon]

or 0

and again, only if a card asks you to start tracking it

[copper pecan]

even then this is nowhere near as bad as lurrus showing up in every single deck forever

[twilit canyon]

even companions i didnt even truly mind too much on the cards themselves but rather the prescendent they could have set

[golden plover]

Nah companion is way more broken tbh

[twilit canyon]

outside of lurrus really

[copper pecan]

pre-errata lurrus is the single strongest creature ever printed

[golden plover]

There's no saving that mechanic

But there's no reason to even try day/night again either tbh

[twilit canyon]

i love it when my future werewolf cards wont work with the past ones

(again, kind of)

[golden plover]

I mean that's already the case

Day/Night tracks different from the other werewolves

They outright stated they didn't put any in Innistrad Remastered for that exact reason

Because they're really annoying to track two different types of werewolf triggers

[twilit canyon]

hutmaster of the fells was in there

[golden plover]

Nah they put the regular werewolves is what I'm saying

They didn't put a single day/night werewolf

And it's likely that any future werewolves will just use the old mechanic and the day/night ones are never gonna see the light of day again

[twilit canyon]

why would they have added a lot of the new cards when they had just gotten prints?

the only ones they added were for draft purposes

[golden plover]

They're 4 years old

And 2 of them are over $5

They put Meathook and other newer cards in Innistrad Remastered too

Stuff like [[Voice of the Blessed]] was $5 prior to INR so he's in there

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/50/voice-of-the-blessed

Voice of the Blessed <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit Cleric
Whenever you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
As long as this creature has four or more +1/+1 counters on it, it has flying and vigilance.
As long as this creature has ten or more +1/+1 counters on it, it has indestructible.
2/2

[copper pecan]

the way the other werewolves work sucks ass too tbh

i love giving up tempo to my opponent just so they can undo my play by doing the thing they were already going to do anyways

[golden plover]

I mean, it really does. But that's on them for limiting werewolves to MDFCs on a single plane

[copper pecan]

they could have just had them work the way the eldritch moon werewolves did where you just pay a cost to transform them and they stay transformed

[golden plover]

And also the mechanic has aged really poorly with cards generally being cheaper mana and less incentive to tap out and pass

Honestly I'm fully on board for just making new werewolves that use a new mechanic

But apparently werewolves are Innistrad only, only Gruul, and only get this shit ass mechanic

Honestly, werewolves can also just be one sided?

They can just be in their werewolf form when you cast them?

[twilit canyon]

or how some vampires transform and then can transform back

they went a little too hard on flavor

[golden plover]

Yeah flavor and arbitrary werewolf design decisions from 15 years ago have fucked werewolves over forever

Werewolves could also just have individual tracking mechanics moving forward tbh

Stuff like "if you control 3 or more creatures in your upkeep, flip" and "if you've got 3 or less in your upkeep, flip back"

But they wouldn't do that either because it hits the thematic consistency

[lusty trench]

Werewolf players when they're told they have to track a third mechanic (rule 0 it to the fixed one no one will care)

[gritty nest]

Mutate
day/night
stickers
attractions

top 4 worst black border mechanics

[sleek ferry]

What’s wrong with mutate?

Literally just stack the cards on top of each other lol

[gritty nest]

I’m going to animate an enchantment room, and then mutate it as the bottom card

Can I unlock the other room, does the above card have the abilities of both room, just the unlocked one, or none?

[glad peak]

Just the unlocked one, and you can unlock the other (probably)

[copper pecan]

how often does this scenario happen

most of the weird edge cases with mutate are stuff that would only happen if you are deliberately trying to cause weird edge cases to happen, not stuff that would come up in normal gameplay

[golden plover]

Mutate is weird, but it's fine. Agree on the rest of the list (but you're forgetting companion) for recent bad mechanics

[past socket]

Energy my beloved

I just have a love of messing with different mechanics honestly

Currently building Satoru Umezawa to mess with Ninjutsu

[copper pecan]

i feel like there are worse mechanics than those

like, remember recover?

or radiance?

those flopped so hard nobody even remembers them anymore

[golden plover]

If we're doing all around top 10 worst black border mechanics it's:

1. Ante
2. Companion
3. Day/Night
4. Stickers
5. Sweep
6. Initiative
7. Banding
8. Epic
9. Radiance
10. Recover

[copper pecan]

how did i forget about ante

epic i'd say is worse than day/night because it completely takes over the game as soon as you play anything with it

[twilit canyon]

i've still never gotten one of these

[past socket]

I am glad I never got see their heyday ig

[copper pecan]

banding is definitely worse than day/night because it's way harder to wrap your head around rather than just being annoying

[past socket]

I’ve never experienced Ante but it’s gotta be bad if it’s gotten to the point of them all being banned

[copper pecan]

recover is one of my favorite horrible mechanics because it was so bad that they realized it was horrible before the set was even out

[golden plover]

Banding makes sense when you realize what it does

It's just hard as fuck to explain

[copper pecan]

it was supposed to come back in the next set but they realized it sucks

[golden plover]

Imo sweep is my favorite awful mechanic

There's just... No reason

[gritty nest]

If I made captain Rex nebula + Ivy gleeful spellthief my pride commanders, as much as I can make it

[copper pecan]

i know that when mh1 was in design, the lead designer for the set designed a card for every single keyword in the game's history, and the mechanic that was the hardest for him to design a card for was ||ripple||, surprisingly

[past socket]

What is the most so bad it’s good mechanic

[copper pecan]

||the card needed to have an effect that was useful with just one copy in case you only draft one, but at the same time isn't broken if you draft like 4 of it||

[past socket]

Like it’s awful but extremely funny to mess with

[copper pecan]

i want to say morph

most of the morph cards are really bad

but it's an interesting mechanic

also megamorph has such a grandiose name for a mechanic that is literally just morph but you also get a +1/+1 counter

not very mega

[fallow citrus]

I mean

it's more mega than morph

[copper pecan]

thinking about megamorph reminded me of [[flavor disaster]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/575/flavor-disaster

Flavor Disaster <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Elemental Pirate
Reach
When Flavor Disaster enters the battlefield or when it's turned face up, target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is Flavor Disaster's power.
Negamorph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its negamorph cost and put a -1/-1 counter on it.)
4/3

[past socket]

Cool enough to the community and Wizards to make Morph kind of 4 times

Given more recent versions like Manifest/Manifest Dread and Disguise

[golden plover]

I actually like manifest dread a lot

[copper pecan]

manifest dread is great

[zinc shard]

Aetherdrift really didn't do it for me lol

[golden plover]

Fills up the graveyard and helps feel less bad when you don't get a good hit on manifest

[copper pecan]

also i asked a judge about the mutate onto a room scenario and they said you get both halves of the room regardless of whether or not they're locked

which is not what i thought the ruling would be but apparently the locked/unlocked mechanism is contained in the typeline, which is not caried over to the top of the mutate pile

[steady onyx]

time to draft!

[zinc shard]

Gotta love when two of your obsessions cross over

[sleek ferry]

You guys ever sunfall'd your whole board for the win?

[glad peak]

Yes, and more impressively, did one with phyrexian rebirth as well

[twilit canyon]

often enough as a control wincon yeah

[sleek ferry]

Read they had sunfall, attacked with everything, sunfall’d my own board, desist’d their board next turn, then outrageous robbery’d them the turn after

[golden plover]

Okay yeah Prowess is definitely the best deck rn

Deck just kills so fast and is harder to shut down

[zinc shard]

It's probably safe to sell my copy of Steel Cutter? Like it's not gonna climb higher

[golden plover]

Maybe?

[trail anvil]

you don't think it could climb higher? I wonder if it could find use in other formats

[sleek ferry]

I would, yeah

i mean, pioneer aka standard 2

[golden plover]

I wouldn't be surprised for it to pop up in Pioneer. Maybe modern too?

Not sold on it in modern

[glad peak]

It’s seeing play in modern

[golden plover]

Oh, makes sense

It's probably good enough

[glad peak]

Of course, there are also people coping with it on shadow

[golden plover]

Its possibly legacy playable? Since it's an artifact lol

Doubt that a lot more tbh

[twilit canyon]

yeah the reason ppl are trying it more is bc of modern

[golden plover]

But good artifact that's also free bodies is good

[twilit canyon]

the same way aftermath analyst was seen as pretty niche

but then amulet titan used it

and for a bit, the deck to beat in standard was the analyst landfall list

[glad peak]

Legacy I’m not too sure of

[twilit canyon]

idt it has a home there

[glad peak]

Yeah it’s a bit weak there but perfect for modern

[golden plover]

I just was thinking it's fringe possible because good artifact

But I do think that the deck to beat in standard is 100% gonna be prowess

Sideboards are gonna have to shift, and we might see more white in the format to run lockdown

[trail anvil]

analyst was one of those cards that seemed obvious in singleton formats but I was amazed it popped off in constructed like it did

those snc fetches went hard

[sleek ferry]

Temur analyst was a fun deck

It’s funny seeing it pop off in pioneer

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/cp77Wl7ZtvY

Legendary DM and VA Matt Mercer on Commander at Home

[glad peak]

Kirito on commander at home you mean

[sudden lava]

Isn't that Bryce Papenbrook?

[glad peak]

i can't remember, all i remember is that there was an old joke about matt mercer doing it lmao

he did jotaro and some guy in a sao movie iirc

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/74htkbabp3ve1.png?auto=webp&s=f464b0c4c5223d7af64169413b6afe029c0d61b6

[stark skiff]

He did the Minsc voice in the episode he had Minsc and Boo as his commander

[gritty nest]

Is it even possible to build winota but bad

[past socket]

Goro Majima rocking Thantis fr

[lusty trench]

Yeah, 99 lands

[gritty nest]

Lmfao

I wanted to do winota with zirda as companion but realized I can’t do that

[[winota, joiner of forces]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/216/winota-joiner-of-forces

Winota, Joiner of Forces <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a non-Human creature you control attacks, look at the top six cards of your library. You may put a Human creature card from among them onto the battlefield tapped and attacking. It gains indestructible until end of turn. Put the rest of the cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.
4/4

[steady onyx]

did drsft for tarkir today

was fun

the biggest "chase" cards that got drafted were dracogenssis and a verdant catacombs or whatecer

the fetch for swamp and forest

i build temu with the 8 cost 10/10 dragon and went 9-1 in games

it was just with my friends so nothing super serious

[sleek ferry]

Nice Areo

I still think Temur is OP in sealed, in draft though? That’s ballsy

[steady onyx]

i mean i had strong cards'

@sleek ferry this was my deck outside lands

[past socket]

Trying to find some more funny Ninjutsu tags for [[Satoru Umezawa]] , Any recommendations? Already know of stuff like Nezahal, Toxrill, Blightsteel (too mean for me imo) and the usual faves but always down to find even sillier or cooler to surprise my pod

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/234/satoru-umezawa

Satoru Umezawa <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Ninja
Whenever you activate a ninjutsu ability, look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Each creature card in your hand has ninjutsu .
2/4

[lusty trench]

The primordials are fun

[steady onyx]

ancient silver dragon
consecrated sphinx
great whale
jin gataxis
agent of treachery
peregrin drake
sheoldred

[past socket]

Also gonna be having fun for the first time with international shipping since I gotta get a bunch of the littlw guys I want from overseas. Card Kingdom most likelt

Some lovely stuff thankies

[glad peak]

Oh you opened ureni, the biggest win con in the limited environment I’ve ever seen, of course you win

[steady onyx]

yeah

that card went brazy

i also pulled the prospy

to search it

[twilit canyon]

i was feeling some type of way. im never playing this. but if anyone wants a list for like 250 or so for temur this is a good start
https://moxfield.com/decks/-ktCnPLL8UiOmufqhkQXsw

[gritty nest]

[[phage, the untouchable]] and see how long it takes the opponent to realize

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cns/120/phage-the-untouchable

Phage the Untouchable <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Avatar Minion
When Phage enters, if you didn't cast it from your hand, you lose the game.
Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a creature, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated.
Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game.
4/4

[sleek ferry]

I thought about making an eshki list, so thank you for this

[past socket]

Don’t you die since it wasn’t cast from hand?

[gritty nest]

Exactly

That’s the “see how long it takes the opponent to realize” bit

[past socket]

Go out on your own terms!

[gritty nest]

Or stifle the trigger and end them

[twilit canyon]

the mana base is still better than a precons

but i never noticed my surveils basically 3x in price

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, MKM went from a worthless set to arguably the best box you can buy

[past socket]

Defo gonna try to hunt for an Undercity Sewers

[sleek ferry]

I’m thinking of buying a box

And testing my luck

[past socket]

mHave a friend hunting a Lush Portico for his Sidar|Silas deck

I think that’s the Selenya one?

[trail anvil]

yeah

[golden plover]

Hmm Jeskai Cori Tempo might be real

We're slower than Izzet prowess and I haven't gotten to test the MU as much as I'd like

But this feels neat

Also ngl @sleek ferry have you seen this Abzan list? It kinda seems real

They're basically pixie but with Skirmish Rhino and the vehicle version

[sleek ferry]

The skirmish rhino, debris beetle deck?

Yeah I’ve seen it

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's pretty cool

[golden plover]

Dude how the fuck do you see the timer every turn in mono-red

Clean 2-0ed this match at least

I'm 4-1 on this deck this morning (only loss was an overlord deck where I mulled to 3 one match). Deck feels VERY strong

[sudden lava]

Finally got enough extra cash for one final pack of sleeves so all my commander decks can be sleeved at the same time

Esper zombie time lets hecking go!

[golden plover]

Okay I'm legit convinced this deck doesn't have a bad matchup

I dunno if it's unexpected or because it's just an insane deck, but we're outvaluing the entire field (turns out getting to cast stock up for free every turn forever is kinda crazy)

[twilit canyon]

this entire meta has been folding into itself to beat midrange/value

theres no respect for aggro rn

so aggro decks are good

try mono red its also stupid

[golden plover]

Mono-red can't beat us at all

We're preying on aggro decks hard

Unironically either I'm just playing insane or Jeskai is the deck to beat

[twilit canyon]

lol

red's match up into all prowess decks is about 75:25 in favor of red

beating ladder shitters who are worse than aero at piloting a deck does not make the match up good it just makes them shit

[golden plover]

I'm not playing prowess lol

I'm also in mythic #

This is Cori Tempo

[twilit canyon]

cori is prowess

the deck is prowess

unless you built your own

[golden plover]

I built my own

[twilit canyon]

in which case, what deviated? is there a reason to go away from the prowess plan?

[golden plover]

We run a set of cori, but we're closer to pixie

The goal is tempo stall until they can't interact and then murder them with like 8 4/4 double strikers

[twilit canyon]

sounds like a plan losing to lockdown

[golden plover]

Not with 4 this town and 4 get lost in the main

Lockdown isn't an issue

Like I said, it's basically Esper pixie, but it kills you out of nowhere

[twilit canyon]

all i read is esper pixie but worse. the surprise kill is worse than rdw

[golden plover]

Nah, we grind out everything rn

[[Rediscover the Way]] is putting in a ton of work

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/215/rediscover-the-way

Rediscover the Way <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I, II — Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
III — Whenever you cast a noncreature spell this turn, target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn.

[golden plover]

Sure, I'll take Stock Up for free every turn

This is the list rn, but I wanna change the manabase and get a 4th Rediscover in there

[twilit canyon]

rediscover is not a good enough card

run stock up in that slot

trainer is also just mid

this really is worse than pixie though. i dont see it taking advantage of the cards you would bounce back at all

[golden plover]

Nah rediscover has synergy with the Kirins and this town

[twilit canyon]

bad synergy does not make a card good

[golden plover]

Trainer I'm not sold on, but he fetches cori and rediscover

Honestly, rediscover has been the card that's won the most games in this list

[twilit canyon]

the reason esper pixie became way more popular was bc they got to cut out all the bad cards and play better cards

this is regressing

[golden plover]

Drawing your best card every turn is pretty fucking strong

I'm like 15-1 rn (and the 1 was because I had to mull to 3) in Bo3

Deck is either bad and overperforming for me (possible) or actually really solid (equally as possible)

[twilit canyon]

bad and overperforming is the most likely outcome

i had to break that cycle myself

i'd brew a deck, it was bad, but i personally, would go like 40 match wins

[golden plover]

I dunno. I think it's got real potential, especially if prowess pops up

Prowess can take g1 75% of the time

But it feels like we board better and they can't win

[steady onyx]

whats a cool standard decj post takir i can pick up

i rly rly wanna try to get into standard

and play once im done with hs

cause ill have free evenings

where i can ho

go to lgs and play?

[zinc shard]

what kinda decks do you like? Aggro, Control, Midrange?

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1912942699973337594?t=qyeMARlDUJiXsX_Xz-XREA&s=19

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive) on X

New promo for attending MagicCon Vegas!

X · Apr 17, 2025, 6:54 PM

this is horrific this looks like that one fox image

[fallow citrus]

I don't like how it's on just a grey background

[golden plover]

Wow that looks BAD

Looks like a cheap proxy

[fallow citrus]

I think it would be fine if it had a background

it doesnt look finish

[lusty trench]

🇫🇮 🇫🇮

[fallow citrus]

minor spelling error....

[golden plover]

🇫🇮

[glad peak]

https://tenor.com/view/finland-boy-very-cute-finland-boy-lol-finnish-cool-amazing-gif-23593425

[trail anvil]

🇫🇮

[sleek ferry]

🇫🇮

Now why does aeri want a Finnish fox

[fallow citrus]

[sudden lava]

its legit just the MH3 treatment but with grey

[golden plover]

These have more going for them idunno

And even then, they were very divisive

[sudden lava]

There is a reason I run base art Pearl-ear, that should say how I feel about Torgal

[fallow citrus]

I think the red background is better than grey

white and red are at least good colours together

[past socket]

The Satya in that style just like

Looks like one of those soyjak chad memes

[sudden lava]

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-3b5vpig99v/images/stencil/500x659/products/628909/1375008/SatyaAetherfluxGenius015__17375.1717777658.jpg?c=2

blank background plus side view, yeah this is a terrible treatment

[past socket]

Energy my beloved though

[golden plover]

It's not great, but imo it looks better than the other one lol

[past socket]

It really has fostered in me a weakness for obscure keywords and mechanics though

[sudden lava]

I prefer temur energy personally

[past socket]

Like the rabbit hole into the weirder keywords around unblockable thanks to Satoru Umezawa

IMO I feel Saheeli has a similar issue to Dr Li from Science!

[sudden lava]

deck definitely needed upgrades, but at least you have green for ramp good times.

[past socket]

She feels far more like an Artifacts Matter Commander with Energy just slapped on as much as the really nice stuff in Energy just so happens to be Artifacts and Artifact Creatures

Honestly wanted to mess with Mono-Green Energy because of Aetherdrift Nissa

[sleek ferry]

Satya has so much aura in that alt art though…

So much swagger

[steady onyx]

ngl idk

prob not control

im
not good at control decks in ygo

prob more midrange aggro

im like down to try to learn control tho

cauee control does have my favorite colors

[sleek ferry]

There’s only a few based colors in mtg, and those are, red, white, black, blue, green and colorless

[past socket]

The blue beard is what bothers me more than finding it looking like the chad meme funny

I am biased due to Aaron Miller making the Bloomburrow Treasure Tokens

And a lot of the old Energy stuff even

Easily the best Magic artist from the former alone

[sudden lava]

colorless isnt a color

[sleek ferry]

It is to me…

[steady onyx]

what do i play mr thugs

[twilit canyon]

play red if you dont want to think much