Why is the lady with the small hand £30
#Magic the Gathering
lusty trench
golden plover
Oh my God I forgot about her weird ass hands
What's she do again
Tiny hands lady for anyone who hasn't seen it
copper pecan
oh i pulled one of those yesterday
trail anvil
I'm also just randomly sussy of anime art now cause of AI
trail anvil
Why is the lady with the small hand £30
stealing effect, jumpstart only
lusty trench
oh i pulled one of those yesterday
If you live in the us she’s like 70 bucks or something
copper pecan
the artist who made these has been working with wotc for 10 years now, i really doubt they'd just pivot to ai already
trail anvil
oh no I'm not accusing them of that
copper pecan
If you live in the us she’s like 70 bucks or something
holy shit for real?
golden plover
Anime is one of the styles ai can do that looks pretty close to its real counterparts
trail anvil
I just got that ptsd
lusty trench
lusty trench
Me when I pick between a force of will and this lady
golden plover
She also needs a non-anime art
Most playable gorgon we've gotten in years
Maybe ever
Yeah ever, all the gorgons suck
Although again, we need the JMP22 tokens first
trail anvil
was otj vraska not playable
golden plover
[[Kibo]], [[Lita, Mechanical Engineer]], and [[Daring Piracy]] all make a token that doesn't exist
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Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control that's an Ape or a Monkey.
Whenever Kibo attacks, defending player sacrifices an artifact of their choice.
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Artificer
Vigilance
At the beginning of your end step, untap each other artifact creature you control.
, : Create a 5/5 colorless Vehicle artifact token named Zeppelin with flying and crew 3. (It has "Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 3 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.")
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trail anvil
otj vraska was in a few golgari decks yeah?
golden plover
was otj vraska not playable
Doesn't really have a home anywhere and I'm not sure where she'd wanna go
She was like splashable, but there's better graveyard hate
lusty trench
If I do bother to make a new commander deck it’s probably gonna be one of these
trail anvil
lowkey I just wouldn't play neerdiv just cause people would judge me for that art lmao
lusty trench
It’s got the word diver in it
trail anvil
people not familiar with this being the only print
lusty trench
lowkey I just wouldn't play neerdiv just cause people would judge me for that ar...
i really don’t care about things like that, i survived being a traptrix player ill survive this
Slinza just seems kinda fun as gruul unga bunga
trail anvil
power to you
golden plover
I also want a non-anime art of her so we can figure out what plane she's from
I can't tell where half the anime cards are supposed to be from
golden plover
I only know Ozox is Innistrad because of his token
golden plover
She’s from Lorwyn
She's too "sexy" to be a Lorwyn Merfolk
They're all freaky fish people
golden plover
True, but I'm guessing she's Ixalan then until we have a better art
Ixalan merfolk have the frills
trail anvil
ixalan merfolk have the frill manes, lorwyn merfolk have the tri-frill
lusty trench
Also rev is most definitely an orzhov member
trail anvil
so she'd fit in more to the lorwyn one as far as I can see
golden plover
Yeah Rev is definitely Orzhov
lusty trench
Aphelia is golgari
lusty trench
Ozox I’m not sure on either
lusty trench
Plagon I don’t know either
golden plover
Cleon's armor is weird
What plane is he from?
Imma assign Plagon to Cynette's plane
They get to do stuff on the Bad and Stupid Plane
sleek ferry
Oh wow she's $60
She’s cedh viable
golden plover
Taeko is Kamigawa
sleek ferry
She’s a better grim hireling
golden plover
She’s a better grim hireling
I don't see it. She only makes half the treasures
Kreat is probably Boros?
trail anvil
where do you use her, najeela?
golden plover
Gornog is Theros or Dominara
sleek ferry
Najeela yeah
golden plover
Same with psemilla
Psmellia and some of the other ones have Theros places in their name
Dionus is probably Dominara
Can't confirm tho because he could also be a Lorwyn elf
lusty trench
I’m gonna default most of the elves to dominaria until otherwise stated
twilit canyon
dionus sounds too theros to not be theros
golden plover
He's either llanowar or Lorwyn
He's 100% not theros tho
He's either llanowar or Lorwyn
Outfit is very Llanowar
lusty trench
Dionus has clothing similar to the dominarian elves yeah
golden plover
But the only elves with horns I can think of are Lorwyn
We'd need an in-theme art to tell
Hurska is Eldraine
Shroofus is probably Dominara
lusty trench
Where’s evereth from?
golden plover
Slinza is probably Ikoria
Everth's outfit and vampire design don't really match anywhere
copper pecan
dionus is from shandalar
sleek ferry
TLDR: card advantage >>>>>>>> extra treasures
golden plover
Like her name and parts of her outfit imply Ixalan
copper pecan
he appeared in the flavor text of [[manaweft sliver]] which is from shandalar
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Sliver creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
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golden plover
But she doesn't seem consistent to be an Ixalan vampire
copper pecan
golden plover
Oh do Shandalar elves have horns then
lusty trench
But she doesn't seem consistent to be an Ixalan vampire
She’s the wrong identity for ixalan
copper pecan
Oh do Shandalar elves have horns then
apparently
golden plover
That too
Everth is confusing
Only other place I can see her is Fiora
Actually are there any fioran vampires?
There are not
copper pecan
i keep thinking that marchessa is a vampire
golden plover
Where the fuck is she from then
copper pecan
i'm probably confusing her with olivia
copper pecan
she could be from innistrad
golden plover
Although her color identity is consistent with Innistrad vampires
Her outfit and stuff don't feel very Innistrad tho
lusty trench
She might be from innistrad as a noble under Olivia
golden plover
Iirc there's no other female house heads
trail anvil
yo she seems kinda fun though
other than a free sac outlet she's kokusho on crack potentially
golden plover
Falkenrath is lead by that one guy from the precon
lusty trench
She’s infinitely worse than she reads unfortunately
golden plover
Markov is Sorin and white alligned
trail anvil
is she?
golden plover
Olivia leads Voldaren
And Stormkirk is Runo and Blue Alligned
Oh yeah she can't be Innistrad
Anje is the last Falkenrath
There is Maurer as a "rogue house" but it's lead by [[Strefan]]
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copper pecan
yeah tajuru is on zendikar
a lot of these characters previously showed up in flavor text of other cards
golden plover
Welp that sucks
Would've gone 7-2 if they didn't have her
You just have to literally topdeck removal to answer her in draft, huh
lusty trench
I mean she is like what 7-8 mana?
She’s not as bad as the dragon and that’s at lower rarity
golden plover
Drakuseth is def better
lusty trench
“Remove me or I will fold you like laundry”
golden plover
I just drafted insane and that was the one thing preventing me
Drafted Loot, Arahbo, Celestial Mantle, the angel enchant, and 6 cats
[[Arahbo, the First Fang]] is ridiculously good in this draft
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lusty trench
I played in prerelease and faced it and I was like… damn I really don’t want to be playing this right now and left the entire thing, like I had fun deck building but I’m not gonna stick around for it when my deck sucks and I had my dad to look after
The dragon I mean
golden plover
Oh yeah if you can't out Drakuseth you just scoop
But I was popping the fuck off with Arahbo and the cat that gives out +1/+1 counters
lusty trench
It was game 3 and the dude top decked it when we were both out of gas
I drew lands 3 times in a row in a 15 land deck
golden plover
Worst case scenario Arahbo is 3 mana for 4/4 in 2 bodies
lusty trench
Me looking at my card pool realising I had 7 playables in each colour and no good splash options
golden plover
Oof
lusty trench
My first match up had bloom tender, quilled greatwurm and drakuseth
You could not have gotten me out of that room quick enough
rigid scarab
Sovereign + Test of Endurance is strange
I didn’t expect a deck like this to go for redundancy
sleek ferry
stark skiff
Matt Mercer and Ben Brode, hell yeah
Ben Brode the GOAT
glad peak
maybe they ran out of budget for the deck 
golden plover
Oh foundations broke [[Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker]]
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golden plover
She's REALLY strong now
fallow citrus
how
golden plover
It's your choice what they sacc now
fallow citrus
oh sure
golden plover
Probably a typo, should be their choice
But playing the card as written, she's BUSTED now
This was listed as a non-functional change lol
4 mana stone rain any time you attack me
Wait she gets around one ring. Modern all star
twilit canyon
i aint playing that vs ring
golden plover
Joking, but she's really strong now
golden plover
@lusty trench @copper pecan she's from Licia's plane
Vampires there are Mardu aligned
It fits the outfit
And doesn't cause continuity issues like her being from Innistrad
Fumulus is Zendikar
Pol Jamaar is a mistform mage, making him Dominara
Other than the two I don't care about (Cynette and Plagon, who I'm placing in "Stupid beach plane") that leaves Ivora
ornate cedar
Manifest Dread is still kicking ass
Are there different “metas” at different times of the day?
The games I played during the day were significantly harder/had more meta decks than the ones I faced just now tonight
Ah, i read that different decks have point values based on the cards used inside, and that the matches are created based off of similar point values
twilit canyon
thats not real
not in constructed
in brawl yes
but not in standard
or any other competitive format
ornate cedar
Ah my bad
So any victories in Standard are against whatever person was just next in queue?
ornate cedar
Was it just banned? I saw CGB use it in a video earlier
glad peak
i dont think i've seen anything about monstrous rage being banned
steady onyx
anything else to finish of my budget red aggro deck?
copper pecan
is 4 shock + 4 burst lightning + 4 lightning strike really necessary
that seems kind of excessive
last glen
I feel like you could be more aggressive with dropping lands
Get some additional card draw
stark skiff
Anyone know why the Marvel Abundant Growth is so expensive? Was it not a guaranteed bonus card?
last glen
I think my deck has 19 lands?
glad peak
it's anything from the marvel pack and abundant growth is actually playable
stark skiff
I know but I thought the Groot cards were all guaranteed bonus cards
steady onyx
I feel like you could be more aggressive with dropping lands
i have no idea mabye
i'm just trying to put together new deck
copper pecan
you probably shouldn't have 24 lands in a mono red aggro deck
steady onyx
i have 0 clue about this deck ngl
copper pecan
with your mana curve you should have 20
glad peak
apparently it's banned in BO1 standard?
never mind im wrong
it's banned in alchemy though, idk why it's impacting standard
twilit canyon
-4 mountain, -4 shock
zinc shard
trying to find info on a fanmade EDH format a friend was telling me about called Pilot
basically its 80 card decks, you have a creature and a vehicle/steed as your commanders. The catch is your commanders power has to exactly equal the crew/saddle cost of your second commander. EDH banlist, plus Sol Ring and Arcane Signet banned.
last glen
I saw a video about across my recommendeds on YT
ornate cedar
Last night I did my first quick draft with Jumpstart
Super fun! But I wish I chose the vampire pack in retrospect so I could fill out my Orzhov vamp deck more
golden plover
Foundations Draft is good, but I feel like the bombs are too bomby. Went 5-3 and my losses were because my opponents got Dreadhorde General, Sire of Seven Deaths, and Embercleave respectively
The Liliana player also had Skynight, Celestial Mantle, and Bloodthirsty Conquerer so I guess they walked into the freest 7-0 of their life
Congrats you drafted the 2 best cards in the set
ornate cedar
I want to do a full draft soon. Is it the only way to earn gems?
rigid scarab
For free yes
steady onyx
-4 mountain, -4 shock
and add what?
twilit canyon
[[slickshot show-off]]
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Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying, haste
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Slickshot Show-Off gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
Plot 
(You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
1/2
twilit canyon
another emberheart
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steady onyx
[[felenous rage]]
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last glen
I use [[Electrostatic Infantry]] in my monored burn deck
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last glen
Not as good as other options, but it's an uncommon instead of a rare
steady onyx
ok
ill prob cut like 1 pump spell for one
cvause i think im on too many pump spells
prob the might
last glen
[[Cacophony Scamp]] is also uncommon, and combos well with pump spells
Especially Turn Inside Out
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ornate cedar
For free yes
Sadge but expected, thank you
Is the mana curve suggested by WOTC (a few one drops, a lot of 2 drops, then less 3 drops, etc) the one I should typically stick with, or is it better to break that guideline for Arena BO1?
last glen
Your curve will depend on the tempo and speed your deck is targeting
Monored burn wants to play very fast
Every turn is vital
ornate cedar
I see, so Aggro would have more one drops than a control deck
last glen
Yes
ornate cedar
That makes sense, thanks!
last glen
Slower decks will instead have tools to control the game
Dragging it out until more lands get played
Then they win on a mix of card advantage and mana advantage (having high value, high cost cards to play in the late game)
twilit canyon
you only need turn inside out
last glen
I'd cut Might of the Meek
You have enough non-Mice that it won't confer additional damage a significant amount of the time
Monstrous Rage also gives Trample while also pumping
twilit canyon
i'd cut the entire deck its not good tbh
might of the meek at least cantrips but for that effect you actually just run [[crash through]]
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twilit canyon
aka its likely not worth it
last glen
Sometimes you just wanna steal one last win for your dailies
It's fine as a low investment option
golden plover
Ahh thats how they'd do it. Reset everyone's collections to 0
But also, this doesn't seem feasible at all
Hell, 4p in Arena is still far from feasible iirc
twilit canyon
im so fucking goood at this game
my internet kept disconnecting me
i was playing 1-2 turns behind every other match
i still got the 7 wins
last glen
chat I wanna step outside my comfort zone
what's a cheap UB deck for Standard or Pioneer
golden plover
Nah, meta means Dimir
There's demons and flash in standard
Rn Dimir isn't doing much in pioneer
ornate cedar
Areo are you getting into Magic now too?
steady onyx
i'd cut the entire deck its not good tbh
why
its cheap fr irl play
🤷♂️
i couldnt seem to find anyhting else cheap enouhg
thats competetive
last glen
Ran into an interesting deck on Pioneer ladder last night
Focused on Enchantment creature synergies
and cheating out Abhorrent Occulus
I think it was mostly UB
but they also had Innocence and Glissa in there so
it was WUB, I think
golden plover
How'd they play Glissa
last glen
Cheated out by a manifest dread proc
But they still had to flip it up
[[Glissa Sunslayer]]
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golden plover
Ohh
last glen
yeah I don't remember how
golden plover
Weird
twilit canyon
its cheap fr irl play
if its casual sure whatever
even then this list is far from good
last glen
I'll try replicating the deck after work
I've been interested in Abhorent Occulus since I saw it in Scryfall looking for Discover targets
steady onyx
like i love nemsis so much
but its ike 20$
and the other one
is also like 20$
the outlaw
last glen
But Discover is "casting," so you have to pay Occulus' bonus exile cost off Discover
steady onyx
show off is worth the 20
so play mono red or gruul or boros without nemssis but slick shot
gruul seems cool
but manabase
last glen
I play Gruul on Arena
steady onyx
seems so fricking expensive
last glen
Granted, I play a less competitive version because I think Dinosaurs are cool
last glen
but manabase
Unfortunately manabases will be what drives deck prices up
last glen
Basically true of every format for every non-monocolor deck
twilit canyon
if you are going to be playing magic, the spending should be going to your lands
good mono color decks still run expensive lands to be viable
steady onyx
the only land i see mon red run
is the one
that uhhhh
i gives haste to mouse or smt
twilit canyon
shows how poor mono red is right now
last glen
To be fair
Monored is almost entirely pigeonholed into being the hyper-aggro burn deck
where having your lands come in untapped is more important than anything else
It's less true for other monocolor decks
steady onyx
that one wasnt too much
i thouhgt
yeah its only like 5$
compared to like nemesit at 20%
last glen
How much do you feel comfortable spending on Magic rn
steady onyx
idk
my thing is like
i wanna get a cheap deck that wont like implode
so i can try a local seehow I like it
and if I enjoy
spend more for a mroe competent deck
last glen
I'm asking because there are important game pieces that will enhance the variety and strength of your decks
that may be significantly expensive for you
monored aggro is a deck that is built to sneak wins on a (relative) shoestring budget
you can build better versions of it
it's never completely incompetent
but you probably won't be favored to win in any matchup
and your decision making will be very streamlined
zinc shard
golden plover
They need to just reveal this whole deck and stop drip feeding this lol
steady onyx
monored aggro is a deck that is built to sneak wins on a (relative) shoestring b...
so shjould i try something else
idk
zinc shard
Triskadekaphile, #11
You had ONE JOB Wizards
golden plover
Yeah triskaidekaphile should've been #13
last glen
so shjould i try something else
If you want a deck that always has a shot at winning even with a massive budget difference, build monored
If you want something with a little more meat on the gameplay bones, you could maybe try a monowhite deck, or a two color deck that uses the worse cheaper two color lands
steady onyx
what do i cut?
trail anvil
[[hired claw]]
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Creature — Lizard Mercenary
Whenever you attack with one or more Lizards, Hired Claw deals 1 damage to target opponent.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Hired Claw. Activate only if an opponent lost life this turn and only once each turn.
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last glen
Pretty popular in standard burn rn
Mana sink if you're bricked
Hits the 3 damage target relatively easily
trail anvil
yeah I see that now, I guess scamp was too vulnerable
steady onyx
Looks fine to me
How much does Moxfield say the deck and sideboard cost?
130
which feels high
last glen
Only suggestion I'd make is swapping one of your creature playsets (not sure which one) for Boltwave
But that's $3 each on TCGplayer
steady onyx
but idk
twilit canyon
130 is low for an mtg deck
last glen
Yeah
You won't be able to go much lower without a significant drop in card quality
steady onyx
well no
its more just like
the math to me dosent add to 130
but mabye it does
🤷♂️
no it does
ignore me
steady onyx
and than lets say i like this could i move to either like gruul prowess, mono red with screaming, boros something easily from this list?
last glen
relatively, yes
you've got the mouse package
last glen
The most expensive part would be getting the good dual lands
But I think the dual lands in standard aren't too bad
steady onyx
ok
also
is there a good video to elarn about sideboarding
because it seems a bit diff from ygo sideboarding
copper pecan
because it seems a bit diff from ygo sideboarding
it's not that different
steady onyx
yeah im realizing that now it just seemed weirder to me cause i dont fully understand magic
also going first and second dosent matter too much it seems in mtg
like to the point you side diff things for both
fallow citrus
uhh definitely does
twilit canyon
it does
fallow citrus
going first is always extra mana
steady onyx
oh
twilit canyon
and you play quite differently
last glen
the tempo advantage of going first is near-universal
steady onyx
its hard to explain
its not like your siding in something like evenly
if you know your going seocnd
last glen
There aren't hard second cards in MTG, yes
steady onyx
yeah
steady onyx
im curious
is there a certian target for [lithomantic barrage]
cause it seems like its in side for a reason
i just dont know all the decks so i dont know what the exact targets are
last glen
[[Lithomantic Barrage]]
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steady onyx
i understand forge same with witchstalkers frenzy
last glen
Less so a specific target card
and moreso a card that is very efficient when you face white or blue decks
fallow citrus
deals with planeswalkers
steady onyx
i see
steady onyx
cause all my main deck burn is 3 or lower outside manadumping burst lightning
so if there are decks where i need to hit bigger threats i side in the biiger damage
fallow citrus
yeah so your deck loses hard to anything big
steady onyx
forge is for decks that spam the shit out of boardwipes *creature
cause it will keep being a threat
fallow citrus
if someone puts sheoldred down you have to dump resources not killing your opponent into killing their big guy
so like if we look at the meta shares of decks rn
barrage hits a fairly wide spread
steady onyx
it dosent hit archfiend of the dross :(
also what do i do against atraxa
die?
kill before they board
basiclaly
glad peak
Pay them to not kill you 
fallow citrus
true
last glen
yeah
you win fast or eat ass
fallow citrus
but yeah you're playing aggro you should be able to kill before they ramp to atraxa
steady onyx
is there no good cheap red enchantment removal?
steady onyx
cause looking at some decks cards like
temp lockdown
leyline binding
but i guess we have forge for that?
last glen
Actually
I don't know if red gets any in-color enchantment removal off the top of my head
they have some artifact destruction
steady onyx
and thats just domain ig
last glen
cheap removal/control is the counter to your deck anyway
even if you spend mana undoing the removal (if you even can)
you're spending precious turns not killing the other guy
steady onyx
fair enough
last glen
you gotta do a little hoping they don't have it
and that your deck's speed means they won't have time to draw into it
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golden plover
https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/digital-commander-new-game-collecta...
Better version of this article
Which also has the concerning line of:
twilit canyon
thats... fine? i dont see a big deal about this
more concerning is trying to put commander on a whole different client
thats just gonna be stupid
golden plover
Oh that'd kill both clients
twilit canyon
not really but it'd be incredibly annoying
golden plover
But this reads as exec talk for "the magic IP doesn't matter and the crossovers will be the focus moving forward"
twilit canyon
good
after this recent controversey i never wanna see anything regarding the original magic world
golden plover
I mean, you can see that slowly killing the identity of it until it's another pile of corporate crossover slop is a bad thing right?
This reads like the plan is to fully go into fortnite mode soon
twilit canyon
as long as the rules of magic remain good, i dont care about the coat of paint
sleek ferry
Take notes
steady onyx
Take notes
that dosent look like monored 
fallow citrus
it's better
last glen
Azorius control
fallow citrus
best way to learn magic
last glen
It will teach you how to prioritize effects
learn how to manage holding mana up versus cashing out on your turn
and it'll teach you how to close out in late game scenarios
but also
no one will like you
sleek ferry
It’s actually esper control tyvm
But yes, control decks in mtg are usually the most skillful decks
Think Runick on crack
copper pecan
is there no good cheap red enchantment removal?
red doesn't get enchantment removal at all
last glen
[[Silent Hallcreeper]]
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last glen
Annoying little bugger
copper pecan
i played that in limited once and it won the game every single time i drew it
sleek ferry
The card goes hard if unanswered
Issue is, who isn’t running enchantment hate in constructed rn
last glen
It was part of the deck I faced last night
enchantment creature too
procs Innocence
There's this 1/4 that gives all your enchantment creatures deathtouch and hexproof
last glen
Issue is, who isn’t running enchantment hate in constructed rn
They can't remove all your enchantments
sleek ferry
[[cease desist]]
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Instant
Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.
Desist 
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.
sleek ferry
Says who
last glen
normal people: enchantment creature deck with a manifest dread subtheme with a potentially huge upside in Abhorrent Occulus
me: but what if we coco for it instead
steady onyx
Issue is, who isn’t running enchantment hate in constructed rn
me
sudden lava
https://www.wargamer.com/magic-the-gathering/digital-commander-new-game-collecta...
I wonder if they'll release future commander precons with codes for this
last glen
That's how they get you
twilit canyon
hah
golden plover
Nah, can't have it be a good deal
twilit canyon
very funny
golden plover
Pokemon has done that for 10+ years and WOTC has had all the time in the world to have arena or MTGO codes in products
They'll expect you to double dip
last glen
they'll do it once
first hit from the dealer is free
golden plover
I think one year the standard starter deck did it
But then it's never been done since
last glen
like I said
first hit from the dealer is free
sudden lava
I'm pretty excited for the set lineup next year
Aetherdrift despite ||low precon amount|| is neat and has me curious on if we're getting "vehicle partner" along with how artifact planeswalker equipment works, Tarkir leaves a good chance at even more Alesha and we know it has ||5 commander precons which is slightly more then average||, Final Fantasy as an UB makes me hopeful for a new token precon but otherwise is cool, Edge of Eternities at the very least can help make alien typal a possibility, Spiderman feels the most meh out of the ones we know.
past socket
Surprisingly been learning via Sultai. Its such a fun combo. Would love some mpre Commanders in the Sultai combination if y’all have any recommendations
fallow citrus
a set having a low precon count thank fucking god
sudden lava
Surprisingly been learning via Sultai. Its such a fun combo. Would love some mpr...
Mothman
or Toad Rider
Oh: ||Star Wars is UUB 2025 apparently.||
last glen
Is that announced or dirtsheet scuttlebutt?
stark skiff
who knows but everyone is guessing it will be since they announced that space set
sudden lava
Is that announced or dirtsheet scuttlebutt?
Not announced, leakerinos
Dutch leak about Aetherdrift: ||Each Play Booster and Collector Booster contains a special vehicle card with a chance of an interplanar variant, and there is also a chance of an exclusive Showcase Racing card.||
last glen
Wonder if more people will try Pilot, the Commander variant, when Aetherdirft drops
sudden lava
Wonder if more people will try Pilot, the Commander variant, when Aetherdirft dr...
what's pilot?
last glen
You pick a vehicle and a creature (your pilot) who can exactly crew your vehicle
the color identities of those two together make up the color identity of your deck
commander damage is dealt by your vehicle only when it is crewed by your pilot
if your vehicle or pilot is dual faced, only the vehicle/pilot side can be cast
memory serve me right
sudden lava
Oh SurisMTG did a video on it, I'll give it a watch later
steady onyx
I wonder if they'll release future commander precons with codes for this
what if they like retroactively give codes to already bought precon a
that isn't possible right
last glen
not practically, I'd imagine
steady onyx
ok
god thugs is making me wanna buy some control deck over cute mouses
nvm control decks are expensive
sudden lava
Make the mice deck
steady onyx
ok
i will
i just wish i could get the nemesis card
it's so cool
but it's so expensive
past socket
Mothman
Mothman was what got me into Sultai but I’ll look into Tatsunari
Making a big frogge
twilit canyon
t1 burst target mouse
steady onyx
oh i already fucked up
i ened to think about stopping my oponent
imstill in this mindset of like
i need to play my gameplan
this is def gonna be a weird hting
twilit canyon
this game isnt so linear in either direction but they kept a full grip otp
steady onyx
with magic over yugioh
ah i lose
they jus hav better cards
than my shitty budgetversion
and my unoptimal t1 play
sleek ferry
@steady onyx my issue with nemesis is
it's not worth the wildcards imo
unless you're building like uh
steady onyx
idk i was like
those are too expenive to build as deck
wait
this is bllshit
i never get a chance to act???
they just get prio on summon
sleek ferry
did you just learn about mtg prio lol
steady onyx
that aggrivated me
yeah
they had lilliana on stack
i wanted to strike her
but i couldnt
twilit canyon
lol
twilit canyon
that doesnt work
hidden ermine
To ensure you get some value from planeswalkers before they can be removed
twilit canyon
and from activated abilities
zinc shard
Am I missing any cards in standard that gift permanents/cards with downsides
modern minnow
dross?
zinc shard
hm maybe
rigid scarab
why would a game ever have tprio on summon
"On summon" and "On res" are things you have to get out of your brain when playing mtg
last glen
Anything cool in the Foundations Arena Jumpstart
Got some draft tokens burning in my digital pocket
twilit canyon
fair bit
last glen
we love trample in this household
also Phyrexian Obliterator is still annoying to play around
I was in a ten, twelve turn game with this monoblack starter deck for game 1
because he had Obliterator out and I had to play around it
okay time to make Pioneer Simic CoCo for the most mediocre payoff
fallow citrus
ok this golgari deck fucks hard
last glen
brain check
when a facedown creature is turned face up
is that considered entering
twilit canyon
no
last glen
grazie
ornate cedar
I love face down mechanics, especially manifest dread
Makes me feel like I’m playing Yugioh haha and cheating out monsters or triggering face up effects like with Bubble Smuggler
golden plover
Getting annoyed at the sheer volume of removal spells in standard
About to craft 4 [[Saint Elenda]] and play Lifegain and call it a day
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golden plover
Not this one. Whatever her standard one is (why does she have like 4 very similar cards from recent printings)?
ornate cedar
Getting annoyed at the sheer volume of removal spells in standard
What do you mean, isn’t playing against the threat of constant removal FUN?
There was one game I played where someone destroyed all my lands
I was actually pissed, which usually doesn’t happen in non-YGO games
But yeah, I’ve added a lot more counter spells to all my blue decks and hand rips to my black decks
I got a lot farther with my Simic dread deck than Orzhov vampires probably because the ramp in Simic is insane and Occulus is just a fantastic card for dread decks
trail anvil
About to craft 4 [[Saint Elenda]] and play Lifegain and call it a day
the 4 mana one?
golden plover
the 4 mana one?
Yeah, she's got hexproof from Instants
All 4 of the main removal spells can't hit her
last glen
[[Elenda Saint of Dusk]]
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last glen
Unfortunately she is not protected from Savage Stomp
golden plover
I mean, sure
But rn standard is on 12+ removal spells PER DECK
Elenda is probably pretty solid because she's able to avoid that shit
last glen
makes you wonder
how much removal is instant versus sorcery or "when enters" enchantments
golden plover
There's no good sorcery speed removal that isn't boardwipes rn
And the only enchantment that sees play is [[Nowhere to Run]]
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golden plover
Oh lame the third Aetherdrift plane is Muraganda. 3/3 on planes that needed proper visits and are gonna be wacky races instead
I wanted a post-Bolas Hazoret-lead Amonkhet set for a while and it's gonna be "haha remember the fast and furious movies"
trail anvil
it's time to isekai spiderman into amonkhet
golden plover
You'll be able to live that dream in standard in like 6 months
twilit canyon
it's time to isekai spiderman into amonkhet
not the craziest world he's ended up in
ornate cedar
And the only enchantment that sees play is [[Nowhere to Run]]
I’ve also seen Saved By Ghosts and Trapped in the Screen
Granted I’m in Silver
So that may be jank
ornate cedar
Trapped is a less powerful Nowhere imo
At least Nowhere also takes away Hexproof
Trapped just sits there
golden plover
Trapped is also just worse Sheltered by the Ghosts
stark skiff
Oh lame the third Aetherdrift plane is Muraganda. 3/3 on planes that needed prop...
Yo Wacky Races UB? Sign me up. Jace as Dick Dastardly
sudden lava
Doesn't hit nearly as well as the classic tutorial series
sucks all the vods for it have to be found through someone who has the links, ANCIENT video series
sudden lava
<@219481643012849664> new Roborosewater icon
Just draw the out 
golden plover
Unironically you can probably print a 3 mana 20/20 vanilla and it's fine
Wouldn't wanna do that to my boy Gigantosaur
But
trail anvil
is this the level of copium we've gotten to in standard
last glen
me when there's a 2 mana haste enabler
golden plover
If it's a vanilla that's still fine
last glen
it's probably too much of a "have the answer right now or you lose" card
trail anvil
they were scared enough printing a 3 mana 10/1
I feel like it's also important to note that this card can't do damage on its own
golden plover
I mean, they'd never print a 3 mana 20/20 vanilla, but I think they could
trail anvil
I think you're asking yourself "can someone survive if a 3 mana 20/20 is on the board" and not "is there anything positive about having a potential 3 mana instakill creature"
trail anvil
they could also print a 3 mana planeswalker that says "after one plus, the ultimate makes you literally win the game"
what's the point in saying this
golden plover
I'm just saying Mistmeader isn't as scary as he looks other than the 0 mana lol
He dies to doom blade, path, go for the throat, and shot the sheriff. He's balanced
trail anvil
"other than the 0 mana" isn't a sentence in mtg
golden plover
Yeah the 0 mana is what makes this roborosewater territory
Actually with all the wacky shit in roborosewater, is this draftable?
I think I'd rather take Squag Clones
glad peak
Damn I didn’t know my creatures were like that 
sudden lava
this feels like a prozd skit
golden plover
Yeah the + is genuinely pretty solid
Okay...
No that's stupid
Why was this not #20 and also why was it 2 wincons
rigid scarab
Curse this secret lair precon for finding a loophole
sudden lava
Really, a ribbit sequel?
Oh ya know what's worst
why is 13 not triskaidekaphile
golden plover
Nah 13 should've been her and toad should've been 20
sudden lava
Nah 13 should've been her and toad should've been 20
yes I fully agree, thats why I said it's worst. 13 being 20toad means triskaidekaphile isn't
sleek ferry
golden plover
How do I play storm in commander
[[Elsha of the Infinite]]
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rigid scarab
How do I play storm in commander
Fill your deck with cost reducers and cantrips
golden plover
Elsha is probably your best bet for storm stuff
rigid scarab
Your storm colours are primarily red and blue
sleek ferry
The best storm deck is actually [[kraark]] and [[sakashima]]
rigid scarab
[[Kraark]]
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golden plover
They're better for generic storm stuff, yeah
rigid scarab
He’s dead
golden plover
But I think Elsha is cooler and way more fun tbh
sleek ferry
[[kraark the thumbless]]
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sleek ferry
[[sakashima, faces]]
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rigid scarab
Yuni said he wants to replicate a miracle deck
Like a miracle rogue deck
And miracle rogue primarily wins through non-deterministic storm combos
glad peak
Prep coin
inland folio
I play big guy and I punch face
Except it’s 4 big guys and it’s turn 1
And you are dead
sleek ferry
Here, let me show you one of the best cards in commander Yuni
rigid scarab
Can’t really name any stompy decks that plop big guys turn 1
sleek ferry
[[jeska’s will]]
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Sorcery
Choose one. If you control a commander as you cast this spell, you may choose both instead.
• Add for each card in target opponent's hand.
• Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn.
"Gather your strength. Prepare yourself." —Jeska, to Radha
inland folio
Can’t really name any stompy decks that plop big guys turn 1
I’m still talking about miracle rogue
I just mean with giants
glad peak
If you want to play a deck actually like miracle rogue you gotta make a non deterministic storm deck mostly with cantrips + cards like [[kiln fiend]] which we have a lot of now
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inland folio
It’s really fun to draw through a deck and just plop like 4 8/8 vanillas on 2
rigid scarab
Or [[young pyromancer]]
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inland folio
Sickle are you familiar with the demon seed
rigid scarab
Yes
inland folio
Is there an mtg equivalent
glad peak
You also got prep sprint with treasure cruise
rigid scarab
Well there isn’t an mtg card that always starts in your opening hand
Unless you count a commander
glad peak
How does demon seed work?
inland folio
Well I meant wincon esc
inland folio
How does demon seed work?
Any damage you take (from your cards) is redirected at your opponent
So say a card says pay 3 life to draw a card
golden plover
There's [[Stuffy Doll]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Indestructible
As Stuffy Doll enters, choose a player.
Whenever Stuffy Doll is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to the chosen player.
: Stuffy Doll deals 1 damage to itself.
0/1
rigid scarab
[[Auntie Blyte]]
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Legendary Creature — Devil Advisor
Flying
Whenever a source you control deals damage to you, put that many +1/+1 counters on Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence.
, , Remove X +1/+1 counters from Auntie Blyte: It deals X damage to any target.
2/2
golden plover
And [[Phyrexian Vindicator]]
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rigid scarab
Does this tickle any fancies
golden plover
But all of these require the creature to take the damage
inland folio
Yeah no what I like about seed is that shooting myself in the head kills the opponent
rigid scarab
https://scryfall.com/card/j22/30/auntie-blyte-bad-influence
This is close
glad peak
Not that I know of
golden plover
Ig [[Deflecting Swat]]?
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golden plover
But it's once
inland folio
https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/205/deflecting-palm
Yeah this is cool
rigid scarab
We have the ever so famous [[Death’s Shadow]]
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inland folio
But you can’t self trigger this idt?
golden plover
You can, it just says a source of damage
sudden lava
How do I play storm in commander
With extra turn spells, and stuff to up your spells for turn count
golden plover
But it's a single source
inland folio
Yeah but it deflect to the controller right
rigid scarab
The plan is
inland folio
Which would be you
rigid scarab
You play monored
golden plover
Oh right it does
inland folio
Unless you take control of the opponent t
rigid scarab
You punch yourself in the face a lot
golden plover
Yeah, you would deflect damage from yourself to yourself
sudden lava
see what I did there?
inland folio
I don’t want to have a big guy kill the opponent, I want to kill myself and the opponent dies
golden plover
There's [[Divine Deflection]]
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inland folio
Are you familiar with big priest
golden plover
But this card is kinda dog shit
rigid scarab
Wait
clever sun
Wait why are you guys recommending pure jank
rigid scarab
This is not a real card
clever sun
[[Ad Nauseam]]
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rigid scarab
Im gonna jump
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golden plover
That's not the combo they're looking for tho
clever sun
Stuffy Doll?
rigid scarab
And the opponent dies from it
golden plover
They're trying to translate a hearthstone combo where they deflect self damage to the opponent
Divine Deflection is the closest
clever sun
The best you got is genuinely Stuff Doll effects
golden plover
But you'd have to pay X=50 or whatever
clever sun
Or Infect
golden plover
Vindicator and Stuffy Doll are fine for it too
clever sun
Infecting yourself to build up a kill that way
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Haste
, : Target creature you control fights another target creature. This ability costs less to activate if it targets two creatures you control.
If a creature you control being dealt damage causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
1/5
rigid scarab
But that’s for your creatures
Aunty Blyte is probably his best bet for a self-damage payoff in the command zone
clever sun
Outright damaging yourself to kill your opponent's is not really all that viable in Commander let alone possible
golden plover
Yeah the closest is the two deflecting cards
rigid scarab
I dont think we’re looking for viability
golden plover
And they're... Kinda dogshit
clever sun
Taking a ton of self-damage to win is very popular
inland folio
So yeah sickle, are you familiar with big priest
clever sun
But not quite the same
inland folio
I want to play 10 mana guys on 2
golden plover
Also worth noting: Hearthstone only has the 1 opponent and no instant speed interaction
inland folio
5 times
rigid scarab
I think Yuni is coming here bc of the announcement of a commander client
inland folio
The more expansive the better
inland folio
I think Yuni is coming here bc of the announcement of a commander client
I am
clever sun
I want to play 10 mana guys on 2
[[Ghalta]]
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golden plover
Strategies that would work in HS probably don't work in commander
rigid scarab
Ok so
clever sun
Oh piss off
golden plover
Ramp is playable in commander, especially in more casual tables
inland folio
Strategies that would work in HS probably don't work in commander
Well yes im aware of that, but I can look for things that are similar in concept/playstyle
clever sun
You can easily get there on turns 2-3 with making a ton of huge creatures
[[Selvala, Veteran Explorer]]
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golden plover
I'm not sure who your best bet for casual ramp is
rigid scarab
I'm not sure who your best bet for casual ramp is
Any landfall deck?
clever sun
Wrong Selvala deck
rigid scarab
Non-combo Zaxara maybe?
golden plover
Something like that, yeah
clever sun
[[Selvala Heart of the Wilds]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Whenever another creature enters, its controller may draw a card if its power is greater than each other creature's power.
, : Add X mana in any combination of colors, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
2/3
clever sun
She is reasonably castable on turn 1 or 2
golden plover
Unironically new Loot seems pretty decent for big ramp
clever sun
And then you can make too much mana to know what to do with
clever sun
Exuberant Explorer
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Legendary Creature — Beast Noble
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, : Look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from among them and put it onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
1/4
twilit canyon
ew lol that card is not a huge creature producer
selvala is way closer to what yuni would want there
golden plover
He ramps, is relatively easy to cheat, and drops big guys (RNG dependent)
twilit canyon
big guys as you pay 6, look at top 6, and wiff bc u have 4 lands in play and everything revealed was 5+ mana
golden plover
Yeah I'm just trying to think of dedicated "ramp" commanders
sudden lava
oh yeah no-merit just reminded me
was gonna make a speculation list on new mechanics in aetherdrift
inland folio
Are there any big guys who get more big guys
clever sun
Yeah of course
inland folio
Who get more big guys
Who get more big guys
And it’s just infinite guys
That are big
golden plover
Selesnya Selvala is funnier because you can create an impossible gamestate and piss off judges
inland folio
Preferably with an actual wincon somewhere
rigid scarab
[[Zaxara]]
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Legendary Creature — Nightmare Hydra
Deathtouch
: Add two mana of any one color.
Whenever you cast a spell with 
in its mana cost, create a 0/0 green Hydra creature token, then put X +1/+1 counters on it.
2/3
clever sun
I wouldn't recommend Zaxara
rigid scarab
Ik you can slap on freed from the real
golden plover
[[Selvala, Explorer Returned]] and [[Panglacial Wurm]] creates an irreconcilable board state
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Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Parley — : Each player reveals the top card of their library. For each nonland card revealed this way, add and you gain 1 life. Then each player draws a card.
"The Lowlands refuse to suffer at the whims of the High City."
2/4
modern minnow
was gonna make a speculation list on new mechanics in aetherdrift
i mean we know exactly saddle and thats about it
fallow citrus
you cast it from deck
golden plover
So Selvala can be activated at instant speed
fallow citrus
it has a lot of rules issues
clever sun
Resolving it is a nightmare
fallow citrus
best not to think about it because it will never ever be relevant
clever sun
Just in general
golden plover
While you're casting Panglacial Wurm using the mana from Selvala, you can change the top card
clever sun
Ignore Panglacial
golden plover
Which will result in the mana no longer being correct
clever sun
It's pointless and not a good card
golden plover
Yeah Panglacial is an awful card
clever sun
On Selvala
golden plover
It's just a funny mistake card they're never printing again and the Selvala ruling is funny
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inland folio
Oh this is based
clever sun
Excellent card to ramp to with Selvala as she produces "More Guys"
Selvala then taps for 12 mana
And you can keep casting huge guys and drawing more cards
inland folio
Yeah that sounds fun
clever sun
[[The Great Henge]]
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
: Add . You gain 2 life.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on it and draw a card.
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inland folio
https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/294/the-great-henge
This feels like a winmore card
But maybe it’s good here
clever sun
It isn't