Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

That feels like a strong topend for tribal in standard

[sleek ferry]

The dinosaur deck seems fine for 5k gems. It looks like they omitted any of the more confusing mechanics

[golden plover]

Also crazy they didn't put [[Cavern of Souls]] in the tribal deck

[last glen]

7 is steep tho
Dunno if I'd run it without more intensive ramp

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/269/cavern-of-souls

Cavern of Souls

Land
As Cavern of Souls enters, choose a creature type.
: Add .
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell of the chosen type, and that spell can't be countered.

[sleek ferry]

It is a foundation deck so it kinda makes sense

3 copper line gorge + 2 ridgeless is nice too

[golden plover]

But that's a mythic and they can't just let you buy mythics

[last glen]

It's definitely a deck with gaps

[golden plover]

It's probably fine for a starting point yeah

[last glen]

Are they small enough gaps to justify 5k gem price tag?

[golden plover]

I really question the toxic deck for $80 tho

No [[Innkeeper's Talent]] is kinda weird

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[sleek ferry]

I only question the pushing of the toxic deck smh. I’m so sick of seeing toxic in the ladder

[last glen]

I should see if there's anything in the recent sets worth adding to my Pioneer dino deck

The bloomburrow classes seem interesting
But I'm not sure they're worth more than the various bodies dinos have at those mana values

[golden plover]

Toxic deck could have also used Cavern of Souls

[sleek ferry]

Tbh all the classes are solid

I run the blacksmith one in boros equipment

And it helps you get down nahiri on 3

[golden plover]

https://youtu.be/kuS-0UAJHjI?si=3gJx-xysy9wr66MD

Ify???

[stark skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z686ubC0JE

[golden plover]

Oh huh Ify has been doing a bit of magic recently then

Wonder if we're gonna get a magic episode of Um Actually

[twilit canyon]

?

[golden plover]

Or get the Prof for a legally distinct not MTG episode of Game Changer

[gritty nest]

Doge

[sudden lava]

Misty ? ZBexx's doge, so doge is going to the animals chat

[golden plover]

How could you not remember every random MTG content creator's pets and immediately assume that's what the post is

[sudden lava]

Zbexx Username

[twilit canyon]

how silly of me

i should have known who the hell zbexx is

[golden plover]

Where's that dril tweet with all the fake celebrities

You don't know Johnny Pungo? Or Zibbywibby? What about Parcheesi Tom?

[glad peak]

i love Parcheesi Tom

[golden plover]

Ehh when he was mean to Scooboop Rob I thought he and Ringodingo were in the wrong

[glad peak]

true but it was a weird case since Scoobidiboopoop really stirred things up, who knows who was in the wrong

[golden plover]

Yeah true. It's like Apollo Joe says: "Don't be mean to Scooboop Rob or Timmy Oregon"

Timmy Oregon is close to Jerma actually

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/Is_ghoPFjrw?t=3046 The Bloomburrow vs Duskmourn thing with Z was hilarious

[golden plover]

Considering he's Jeremy Massachusetts

[glad peak]

it certainly was Ohio

[golden plover]

Wait I've got one more dumb name celebrity

[copper pecan]

you don't even know about spaghetti bob

[golden plover]

Michael Menagerie

This is the best one

[sudden lava]

Who's VeggieWagon?

[sudden lava]

By the way anyone going to Commander Party Bloomburrow?

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/WGlr_g_1ohg Speaking of

[stark skiff]

yo that sword chain was dope af didnt even notice it til they pointed it out lol

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1eqokqx/from_wotcstaff_secret_bugs_of_the_arena_rules/

[copper pecan]

my favorite bug in arena was when the pets wouldn't start in the proper part of the board

and instead of fixing it they added animations for the pets moving to the right place

[twilit canyon]

-2 lands is crazy

gitrog tax

[trail anvil]

yeah lmao, my favorite was the horse

[copper pecan]

i like how the bears just roll into place

[gritty nest]

On one hand it’s both lazy and creative. Makes the pets seem more lively by “moving around”

[trail anvil]

I don't think it's lazy as a fix. I'm sure they could fix it if they wanted to, but they instead added it in as a feature

[gritty nest]

I lean more towards creative

Used it as a reason to add in the movement

[lusty trench]

Damn I’m trying to make a more slower pace deck with my squirrels but it’s hard to figure out the ration of gas to filler so it doesn’t feel bad to play but isn’t too much of a menace

[trail anvil]

what's your commander?

[lusty trench]

Hazel

[sleek ferry]

What a fun game of league of legends

[stark skiff]

anyone got any advice for this Maha deck i finally made?

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8789200/maha

Off the top i am missing a Sholdred and Meathook Massacre but overall I think it's done. Mighta missed stuff though.

[lusty trench]

Less removal more -1 -1 anthems

[stark skiff]

got any recs on more -1 anthems? cant find any

only ones that would fit would be Corrosive Mentor and Pestilence Demon so far. Maybe Plague Spitter.

Nefashu is funny af in this deck too bad i cant find one

[stark skiff]

theyre in there lol

under removal funny enough. i dont like the tags of archidekt

[lusty trench]

Ah that’d be why I missed them, seems good then

[stark skiff]

yeah np i just usually look at it under type cause the tags suck

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/hareruya_osu/status/1822962151226519910?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

晴れる屋 大須店＠アルバイト募集中！ (@hareruya_osu) on X

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TOP8のデッキリストはコチラ🔽
https://t.co/QUzl6bHaKQ

Twitter · Aug 12, 2024, 11:43 AM

[last glen]

Any super pressing updates I should make to this deck
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/57PIalKX60CjenKaxusXtg

[gritty nest]

Hello

[golden plover]

It's the best feeling in the game for the opponent to t1 Flooting their Atraxa and I go "Oh Surgical Extraction"

[subtle sierra]

how do you report players on mtga?

[lusty trench]

https://mtgarena-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025191111-Report-a-Player

What happened

[golden plover]

Crazy there's not a button to bring this up in game btw

[subtle sierra]

spamming yawning emote and roping

salty idiot

that's all

[lusty trench]

It do be like that

[golden plover]

Classic

I just spam "your go" if they start roping

[subtle sierra]

the thing is

[lusty trench]

Playing bloomburrow draft and realising my opponent made the most fatal mistake of their career (they did not force green)

[subtle sierra]

they haven't lost yet

they might win

which is ???????????

[golden plover]

Sucks unfortunately

I lost yesterday to a show and tell player who roped once he hit show and tell g3

I just scooped at that point tho

[lusty trench]

As a random aside: lorcana recently got its own version of goblin guide, and it is performing crazy well

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/FoxNoctom/status/1823326031316443265

FoxNoctom, Magic card Alterist! (@FoxNoctom) on X

Very important bunny discovery

Twitter · Aug 13, 2024, 11:49 AM

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbxNYbj4bfI

peek intro

[glad peak]

Bnnuy

[golden plover]

It's... Something ig

[zinc shard]

Lmao Sanguine and Exquisite in the same product

[golden plover]

Doesn't really feel like an "Astarion" lair ngl

[lusty trench]

Wow that might be the most erotic art mtg has released

[golden plover]

Yeah that Sanguine Bond is HORNY

[lusty trench]

All of the arts are good but anguished unmaking

It’s a shame astarion is unplayable

[golden plover]

Also, it's not really like an anguished unmaking

Astarion wasn't super torn about killing Gandrel

Would've been better to be Cazador

[lusty trench]

Utter end maybe?

A sudden and overwhelming victory fits the card and the rogue class

Someone ping me when the karlach lair cards are announced

[subtle sierra]

sanguine bond is

lets just say i'm gay

[trail anvil]

wtf no, spam "oops" if anything. don't give them the satisfaction

[golden plover]

That's fair. I'll switch it to "oops" lmao

I usually reserve oops for misplays

Well, their misplays (blocking the cat token when Ajani is out)

[trail anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/idubbbz-im-gay-filthy-frank-gif-6128368

but same

[golden plover]

That's my favorite bad play tbh

Like you let the token connect until Ajani dies

[trail anvil]

they don't know

[golden plover]

It's even more fun with Ocelot Pride and/or Lurrus out

[twilit canyon]

depends on if i have removal or not

i'll kill the token + ajani in one go

[golden plover]

Can't kill Lurrus first, because Ajani flips

Can't kill Ajani first because Lurrus gets it back

[twilit canyon]

curving removal -> phlage gg

lurrus? no wonder ppl think the deck is bad now

they arent playing phlage and fable

[golden plover]

The only real removal issue I have is Fury because fuck Fury

[modern minnow]

im the toxic arena gamer i like to oops when i legend rule out my ajani

[golden plover]

Honestly I don't think Phlage is the move in this deck

[twilit canyon]

fury in historic?

[zinc shard]

I use the sleeping hedron emote

[golden plover]

Fury in timeless

[twilit canyon]

phlage is better than 90% of cards you can play

its better than ragavan

[golden plover]

Phlage is annoying as shit to play against but I don't think it fits here

I'm not on the Ragavan list

I'm on the nightmare list

[twilit canyon]

good

dont play rags

rags is actively bad now

[golden plover]

Nightmare + Lurrus just feels disgusting

[twilit canyon]

ah mardu

even then

[golden plover]

Makes it really hard for them to actually properly answer anything

[twilit canyon]

you are missing out on ob

lurrus doesnt add enough

[golden plover]

Which Ob?

[modern minnow]

i dont have wcs for mardu version of the deck how much better is it

[twilit canyon]

the good ob

[golden plover]

Lurrus is a cat that does funky things with Ajani and our graveyard cards

[twilit canyon]

but its 6 mana

[trail anvil]

sleeping hedron also comes off salty instead of taunting

[twilit canyon]

thats not playable in timeless

[trail anvil]

way better, the other version is unplayable

[golden plover]

This is the current list I'm on

[twilit canyon]

you dont need pte

[golden plover]

Rest of the side is another flute, thoughtseizes, and surgical extractions

I'm testing it as a 50/50 and because I've got 2 and only 1 swords

PTE comes up against reanimator and stuff

[twilit canyon]

you also dont need swords

[golden plover]

And I've had situations where they'll stack with inlet or brainstorm and they get to choose between keeping their stacked card and ramp

We can't answer anything bigger than a 4/4 realistically without path/swords

[twilit canyon]

galvanic?

you literally have red stp

[trail anvil]

[[static prison]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/44/static-prison

Static Prison <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When Static Prison enters, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Static Prison leaves the battlefield. You get (two energy counters).
At the beginning of your first main phase, sacrifice Static Prison unless you pay .

[golden plover]

Especially in stuff like G1 against reanimator

[twilit canyon]

if you are doing that vs reanim

u lost already

unless they are on a bad build and didnt reanimate atraxa

[golden plover]

Prison and Galvanic help, but if they get t2 troll or Atraxa without swords were screwed

[twilit canyon]

or grief scammed you 1st

you were screwed if it was atraxa anyways

reanim is a punt match up

[golden plover]

I've played through and won against Atraxa with swords

I could go to 4 prison, but I think having it at instant speed matters

[twilit canyon]

it doesnt

prison also etbs off show and tell

the best combo deck in the meta

means they need to have borne upon or they lose their omni

[golden plover]

Yeah that's the true, but show and tell usually can take g1 no matter what

[twilit canyon]

so force their hand

with prison

[golden plover]

It's part of why we side in baubles, extraction, Thoughtseize, and deafening silence

[twilit canyon]

ts is bad

[golden plover]

We literally need basically the full sideboard to answer show and tell

[twilit canyon]

another downside of lurrus is you dont get boromir

[golden plover]

I feel like I'd rather deafening silence over boromir most of the time tbh

[twilit canyon]

no

boromir outright stops them from playing the game

silence wont stop them from dropping atraxa + value

[golden plover]

That's what vexing Bauble is for

Well that and elementals

[twilit canyon]

bauble is worse than boromjr

*boromir

bauble can get sniped by pyp and boseiju

boromir fights vs a removal angle they dont usually play vs

try without lurrus fr

add phlages, fables

sb boromir

bonecrusher giants

[golden plover]

I don't have any phlages or wildcards

[twilit canyon]

if you had the fetches for it

i'd say mockingbird

[golden plover]

It's ridiculous how many wildcards you need to switch decks tbh

[twilit canyon]

yes

but thats how it is with non-rotating formats

[golden plover]

I mean even standard you need like 40 to build a deck

[trail anvil]

what's bonecrusher for, is there a fog in historic?

[twilit canyon]

one ring

[trail anvil]

good point lmao

you just target your own creature?

[twilit canyon]

control player: "i finally resolved one ring, i have the rest of the game in front of me!"
no you dont, the bonecrusher giant is coming

[twilit canyon]

yourself

[trail anvil]

lore accurate bonecrusher interaction

[twilit canyon]

need to make a life or death for the control player edit

[subtle sierra]

pack day

[trail anvil]

I don't think I've bought one of these since the implementation of gold packs come to think of it

also rip apparently the decks were in the store for a short time and actually gave you the discount if you already owned cards while still giving you an extra copy if you didn't have 4. so if you had 3 copies of birgi, it would see that you already have a copy and give you the price off, but you'd still get another for free basically

[modern minnow]

I've legit never bought a pack on arena ngl

It feels like you don't really ever open anything

[trail anvil]

probably is better to just to try to go infinite in draft than packs tbh

[twilit canyon]

for most ppl its better to draft

yep

unfort im already bored of blb draft

red kinda fucking blows

but every deck is super linear

[subtle sierra]

i think i did some overkill

drawing cards is fun

[twilit canyon]

hes a believer

this deck is so gas

[subtle sierra]

when it works

[twilit canyon]

im gonna test a full control variant soon but im really liking the midrange variant

[subtle sierra]

when you don't draw caretakers it's kinda ass

[twilit canyon]

yea

thats why i wanna test a full control version

uhh let me pull up the list i had in my drafts

[lusty trench]

God damn is that standard?

[subtle sierra]

yeah [[caretaker's talent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/6/caretakers-talent

Caretaker's Talent <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.
: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.

[subtle sierra]

draw each turn cause you token makers like mirrex or fountain

[lusty trench]

I just noticed the sun fall in the bin holy shit

[subtle sierra]

they threw like 3 or 4

idr

btw misty, how's this build, i did what i could with what i had

[twilit canyon]

well i didnt save it

[twilit canyon]

looks solid

more sunfalls eventually

[subtle sierra]

requisition raid is nuts btw

i added a 4th to side

[twilit canyon]

raid is super good but in an ideal world its sideboarded

and you play [[get lost]] instead

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/14/get-lost

Get Lost <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target creature, enchantment, or planeswalker. Its controller creates two Map tokens. (They're artifacts with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")

[twilit canyon]

actually

[subtle sierra]

true but rare wildcards...

[twilit canyon]

well okay nvm thats my other build

i was gonna say u give the novice the boot 1st

but thats for a full control list version

[subtle sierra]

full control yeah

[trail anvil]

red is? I figured mice were strong

[twilit canyon]

no

red has a mid winrate in the format

[subtle sierra]

for midrange he's a decent guy

btw beza still feels meh, but it's only feels

i expect she's actually nuts, she just isn't flashy

so it never feels like she wins games

the heal comes in clutch tho

[twilit canyon]

the average winrate of 17lands players is 55.4%

so both mice and otters are performing worse

gruul is right on average

and rakdos pulls ahead but black is nuts

[twilit canyon]

beza does a ton of incidental things

[subtle sierra]

mono white 59.7 holy

[twilit canyon]

which can make her not feel like shes insane but she is

[twilit canyon]

yup

white rares and mythics are game-enders

but the best card in the whole set

is black

[trail anvil]

honestly I'm surprised dimir is that high

[twilit canyon]

[[season of loss]] is the highest winrate card in the entire format

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/112/season-of-loss

Season of Loss <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose up to five worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Each player sacrifices a creature.
— Draw a card for each creature you controlled that died this turn.
— Each opponent loses X life, where X is the number of creature cards in your graveyard.

[twilit canyon]

near 70% winrate for being in a deck

the next closest is 66% and its [[fecund greenshell]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/171/fecund-greenshell

Fecund Greenshell <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Turtle
Reach
As long as you control ten or more lands, creatures you control get +2/+2.
Whenever Fecund Greenshell or another creature you control with toughness greater than its power enters, look at the top card of your library. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped. Otherwise, put it into your hand.
4/6

[trail anvil]

makes sense

[twilit canyon]

entrancer, warren warleader, maha, sofai, ygra, beza, and season of gathering are next up

all around 65-64%

[trail anvil]

season of loss sounds like the bomb to end all bombs in the set

[lusty trench]

Shit just does everything you'd want it to

[trail anvil]

sofai?

[twilit canyon]

fire and ice

oh

[trail anvil]

ah

[twilit canyon]

yeah i felt that wasnt clear

but u understood

the highest winrate red card is dragonhawk at 59%

red's fucking cooked

[modern minnow]

Think I'll prob stop drafting until they put up a non blb format i cannot perform in this one

[twilit canyon]

yea

i think i'll keep going just to be good on this set

in terms of rares/mythics i want

but no more

[modern minnow]

yeah its a pain to draft bc the good decks are so crowded and the bad decks are so bad

[twilit canyon]

yeah

look at the otter data

u literally never want to end in blue/red

[zinc shard]

Looks like the precon decks were bugged on release and pulled from the shop

[lusty trench]

I usually just force green and it always works out

[modern minnow]

I think the only otter draft that went well for me was one i just had 2 ral

[gritty nest]

I’m building wizard tribal and nobody is stopping me

[trail anvil]

I am

[gritty nest]

Shit yourself

[trail anvil]

aaaaaaaa

[gritty nest]

Swole wizards

[golden plover]

This card was fun in standard Phoenix

[gritty nest]

Idk what that is but I read it and went

“Buff wizards?”

[trail anvil]

I swear to god

[sleek ferry]

You know what card I’m starting to be really fond of?

[[getaway glamor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/14/getaway-glamer

Getaway Glamer <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)

• — Exile target nontoken creature. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
• — Destroy target creature if no other creature has greater power.
  As the vault collapsed around them, Kellan made sure Akul couldn't follow them out.

[trail anvil]

thank god for blacksmith's talent for getting me through this bullshit

[sudden lava]

Love how the new Acererak alt-art is just the DMG cover

[golden plover]

They're all their respective edition cover

[sudden lava]

yup

[twilit canyon]

literally says so on the card

[golden plover]

But that requires reading

So much easier to post it in a random discord

[glad peak]

If only acer also had green

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-laugh-laughing-i-cant-read-book-gif-17894333

[glad peak]

combos galore woooo

[golden plover]

God could you imagine

[twilit canyon]

they didnt give us dimir or golgari acererak bc they feared the way ppl would play him

[golden plover]

Acrerak with [[Aluren]] would be really fun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/165/aluren

Aluren <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Any player may cast creature spells with mana value 3 or less without paying their mana costs and as though they had flash.
Squee bounced up and down. "I sees a horsey, an' a piggy, an' a—" "If you don't shut up," hissed Mirri, "you'll see a kidney and a spleeny."

[twilit canyon]

acererak food chain

dont play aluren

[sudden lava]

Yes I'm aware

[golden plover]

I mean isn't Aluren an infinite ping

Iirc one of the dungeons does like 2 damage on a specific room

[twilit canyon]

so is food chain

the problem with aluren is that the card itself is worse than fc

since everyone can free cast

so u start your combo and they flash in rec sage

or a boromir

or hatebears

or thoracle combo

[glad peak]

Aluren and food chain both do the job but yeah the fact the opponent can do something with it is risky

Unless… add white

[twilit canyon]

silence my goat

i praetors grasp for silence all the time

[glad peak]

I’ll silence your goat

[golden plover]

Add in white, [[Grand Abolisher]] protects your Aluren

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/27/grand-abolisher

Grand Abolisher <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
During your turn, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments.
"Your superstitions and mumblings are useless chaff before my righteousness."
2/2

[golden plover]

Wait actually I don't think this works

[twilit canyon]

dont forget red and blue now for squee and misthollow

[golden plover]

The issue is I can't tell which dungeon works

[twilit canyon]

lost mines

[golden plover]

Does Lost Mines have a ping?

[twilit canyon]

the only one u cannot go through is tomb of annihilation

[golden plover]

Tomb has a ping, but you can't loop it

[[Lost Mines of]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Lost Mines of”

[twilit canyon]

[[lost mines of phandelver]]

[golden plover]

Okay yeah that works

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tafr/21/lost-mine-of-phandelver

Lost Mine of Phandelver

Dungeon
Cave Entrance — Scry 1. (Leads to: Goblin Lair, Mine Tunnels)
Goblin Lair — Create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. (Leads to: Storeroom, Dark Pool)
Mine Tunnels — Create a Treasure token. (Leads to: Dark Pool, Fungi Cavern)
Storeroom — Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. (Leads to: Temple of Dumathoin)
Dark Pool — Each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life. (Leads to: Temple of Dumathoin)
Fungi Cavern — Target creature gets -4/-0 until your next turn. (Leads to: Temple of Dumathoin)
Temple of Dumathoin — Draw a card.

[twilit canyon]

you go through dark pool

[golden plover]

You just go through dark pool until they're dead

[twilit canyon]

yep

you cannot go through tomb

bc tomb ends the loop

[golden plover]

Yeah, I forgot it had a ping. Only remembered the ping on tomb of annihilation

Dungeon of the Mad Mage won't kill them

It would let you dump your whole deck on the field but that's not as good

[twilit canyon]

lets u thoracle combo

lol

[glad peak]

Speaking of interesting, Gev’s proposed cedh build has so many combo layers

Almost any card goes into another combo

[twilit canyon]

which card?

[golden plover]

[[Gev]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Gev”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

[[gev, scorched]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “gev, scorched”

[golden plover]

[[Gev, Scaled Scorch]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/214/gev-scaled-scorch

Gev, Scaled Scorch <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Mercenary
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Other creatures you control enter with an additional +1/+1 counter on them for each opponent who lost life this turn.
Whenever you cast a Lizard spell, Gev, Scaled Scorch deals 1 damage to target opponent.
3/2

[twilit canyon]

ah

right

[sleek ferry]

Is Gev not just better off in the good ob nix

[golden plover]

Gev is cheaper

And the playlines are different I assume

You're trying to do stuff like Gev + [[Agate Instigator]] to kill them by storming off with lizards

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/21/agate-instigator

Agate Instigator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard Rogue
Offspring (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
Whenever another creature you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
1/3

[golden plover]

Or just storm off with ballista

Lots of different storm lines

[glad peak]

Probably the best use of curio too

Use have curio and dockside, cursed mirror target gev, ping everyone off off

Too many cards but they’re all cards you’re going to run anyways

[golden plover]

I like Curio in Roghark Yoshimaru

Sometimes we get an infinitely large dog off it

Or we impact tremors the table because everything costs 0

[glad peak]

In this combo you just repeatedly play and sac gev with a gev copy on board to ping with his last ability

[golden plover]

Oh nice

[glad peak]

Plan Z is to beat down of course

[golden plover]

Do it does sound a lot like Roghark Yoshimaru then

Plan A is to ping them to death off stuff like cloudstone and plan D is to just go "Yeah my 10000/1000 dog is swinging at you"

[glad peak]

Sort of but yeah there’s so many things you can do with him

[golden plover]

Yeah it sounds like it's a better version of the same idea

[glad peak]

And of course just redcap + sac

[golden plover]

Although the trade-off between black and white is always worth debating

White just gets you so many good cedh tools

[glad peak]

Black is probably better here for turbo

[golden plover]

But so does black ngl

Yeah, for turbo black is better

White is better for grinding

[glad peak]

There’s already so many extra backup plans that it’s probably fine without

[golden plover]

Yeah true

[glad peak]

But there’s the problem of why have so many backup plans when you can just win faster with more protection

[twilit canyon]

correct

[glad peak]

Ahem —Rog si—

[twilit canyon]

rog tymna too

[twilit canyon]

huge

[copper pecan]

i got the phyrexian vraska sleeve from that event

[trail anvil]

pog

[gritty nest]

Question, what’s the mana value of [[Optimus Prime, Hero]] backside?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bot/13/optimus-prime-hero-optimus-prime-autobot-leader

Optimus Prime, Hero <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
At the beginning of each end step, bolster 1. (Choose a creature with the least toughness among creatures you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
When Optimus Prime dies, return it to the battlefield converted under its owner's control.
4/8

Optimus Prime, Autobot Leader
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Trample
Whenever you attack, bolster 2. The chosen creature gains trample until end of turn. When that creature deals combat damage to a player this turn, convert Optimus Prime.
6/8

[lusty trench]

6

Transformed or converted cards have the cmc of the front face of the card, unless you make a copy of the back of the card, in which case it’ll have a cmc of 0 as it has no front face to check the mana value

[gritty nest]

I figured

I’m tired of judge friend being completely wrong

[golden plover]

Does 2 instances of affinity not stack?

I could have sworn they did?

[copper pecan]

they should

[[thought monitor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/121/thought-monitor

Thought Monitor <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Affinity for artifacts
Flying
When Thought Monitor enters, draw two cards.
It roams the skies over the Quicksilver Sea, alert for any hint of aberrant thought.
2/2

[golden plover]

I thought so too

Unless Tezzeret replaces?

[copper pecan]

how many artifacts do you control?

[golden plover]

3 at the time

[copper pecan]

weird

[golden plover]

3 should have made it cost U

[sleek ferry]

Am I overkilling it with 4 get lost, 4 soul partition, 4 getaway glamer, 2 no more lies and 3 three steps ahead?

[golden plover]

Unless for some reason Tezerret doesn't apply because it already had affinity

[[Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1701/tezzeret-master-of-the-bridge

Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tezzeret
Creature and planeswalker spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost less to cast for each artifact you control.)
+2: Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge deals X damage to each opponent, where X is the number of artifacts you control. You gain X life.
−3: Return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
−8: Exile the top ten cards of your library. Put all artifact cards from among them onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 5

[golden plover]

Wait yeah that's bugged then

[gritty nest]

Question, what would you guys do if your judge friend is constantly wrong with rulings, gets upset when you correct them, even if you stop asking rulings. And you can’t really stop playing with them unless you stop playing magic as a whole

[copper pecan]

talk to them about it?

[sleek ferry]

I would just tell them like “hey man, I’m not trying to make you look bad, but this was the correct ruling for x”

If they can’t understand that, then that’s not your problem

[gritty nest]

I have

They get pissed

[trail anvil]

tell them skill issue

[gritty nest]

Also for context, we’re roommates and when we usually get to our LGS I’m stuck playing with them every week

So basically skipping out on magic is the only way to not play with them

[sleek ferry]

Other solution is, become a judge, keep telling them they’re wrong and now they won’t feel some type of way because you also have the power

[gritty nest]

Don’t have an L2 to make that happen

And not worth it because I worry I’ll become burnt out of magic like I did when I became a yugioh judge

If that makes sense

[glad peak]

depends on how long ago he became a judge but a lot of weird rules did come out fairly recently (latest being how offspring works)

i'm assuming when he became a judge he didn't have to worry about front/back sides

[gritty nest]

Idk

But he also said [[Benthic Anomaly]] only uses the printed P/T, not modified (other judges said he was wrong)

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/46/benthic-anomaly

Benthic Anomaly <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eldrazi Serpent
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, for each opponent, choose a creature that player controls. Create a token that's a copy of one of those creatures, except its power is equal to the total power of those creatures, its toughness is equal to the total toughness of those creatures, and it's a colorless Eldrazi creature.
7/8

[gritty nest]

They’ve been wrong on other interactions as well, not necessarily new cards

[glad peak]

that's... a pretty simple ruling idk how he got that one wrong

was he inside that game? since that might change his ruling because he wanted to win

[gritty nest]

Because gatherer used the generic copy ruling

Yes he was

I even outright asked him “if it’s using base P/T then why doesn’t it say it?”

“Because magic is confusing sometimes”

Was literally the answer I received

[lusty trench]

If that were the case the entire card could be like a single short sentence

[glad peak]

if he was in the game, i'd call that a conflic of interest

[lusty trench]

“When you cast this spell, choose a creature an opponent controls, create a token that’s a copy of that creature.”

[gritty nest]

It was casual any way

[glad peak]

call in another judge and have that stand, never trust judges when they're actively in a game with you

[lusty trench]

Angle shooting in casual is cringe

[gritty nest]

But he got pissed and outright said “if you don’t know how the card works, don’t run it”

[glad peak]

even in casual you'll see a lot of shhhhhiiiii

[lusty trench]

I guess that’s not even angle shooting it’s just lying lmao

[gritty nest]

I told them that when the March of otherworldly light issue happened to be a smart ass

[lusty trench]

He’s getting defensive cause you’re calling him out on his bullshit

[gritty nest]

Correct

[lusty trench]

He knows what he’s doing, and I don’t think a conversation is gonna make it stop if he reacts like this

[gritty nest]

There was uh

Optimus prime issue
The issue with benthic
Another issue with Echoes of Eternity

[glad peak]

tbh just rule of thumb don't ask people at the table how something works if you don't know for a fact how things work

[gritty nest]

He tried saying “when you cast this spell” isn’t a triggered ability Ulalek/echoes can copy

[lusty trench]

Bruh

[gritty nest]

I don’t, I usually ask before hand, if it comes up in game I go to gatherer or a judge discord

[lusty trench]

Has he ever said people from those sources are playing the game wrong

[gritty nest]

No but he gives half assed answers like magic is confusing or

“Optimus prime can be hit by otherworldly because he’s not an MDFC, and MDFCs are the only ones where mana value transfers to the back”

As in since Optimus isn’t an MDFC his backside MV = 0 is what he said

[lusty trench]

Bruh modal double face cards have two mana costs, one on front and one on back, it’s transform and covert cards that need to check the front for a cost because it doesn’t have one on the back

[gritty nest]

Yes

Confirmed that with another L2 and L1 a bit ago

[copper pecan]

that's the opposite of how things work

[gritty nest]

I know

I’m at the end of my rope because I’m not sure what to do anymore

[golden plover]

Oh cool, got the alt art for Chandra, Hope's Beacon from the weekly thing

If only it was for a playable card

[gritty nest]

Nice

[golden plover]

It's not the worst Chandra, but it's not even close to the best

Best Chandra being Dressed to Kill

[trail anvil]

time to play standard brawl

then suffer vs etali lul

[golden plover]

I was gonna say I'll just play Dressed to Kill if I wanted to play a Chandra in standard but she just rotated

[sleek ferry]

Alright I found the funniest interaction

Poor guy couldn’t do a damn thing

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JDXDiXMcSU2xbh1JMkXbuA Got this started on. Need to cut 28 cards, any recommendations would be awesome

[sleek ferry]

Alright, this one was even funnier

[stark skiff]

Just stop playing with him lol

Also had a fun game of commander go down to the wire. Down to 6 life/opponent at 10 and I wipe my opponent board. Either he wins by doing 1 damage (One Ring for 4 and Black Market) to me or I win on the clap back. He farewells my creatures and plays Authority of Consul. Drew into a Crypt Ghast for Torment of Hellfire for like 14 lol

[gritty nest]

missed the part where i said theyre my roommate and not playing with them means not playing magic

[steady onyx]

question...
I have this urza precon I upgraded a bit and im really really liking playing it, i was considering upgradning it a bit so I looked and found a bunch of possible upgrades, here is my question are any of the upgrades worth buying to upgrade my deck / would be good in other decks if i did buy them or idk.
here is my current deck https://www.moxfield.com/decks/w0DfbJWPDE2I4UP28i8GGw
here is the list of upgrades I was mabye considering https://www.moxfield.com/decks/U2p5D6VN1ECgbLuSziZlNQ

[rigid scarab]

Any UW andrews that can help areo out

[granite badge]

i mean if that what it takes, idk man

if they have any sense of guilt their roommate quitting the game because of their antics would at least be enough to start a more serious dialogue

[trail anvil]

mystic forge seems like the most obvious upgrade I can see

[golden plover]

Whoops

That's a couple cat tokens

[trail anvil]

johann, decanter from the first glance. I personally feel like harbinger of the seas and magus of the moon make you a lightning rod for hate. wizard's retort unless you really feel like you need that many counter spells. talisman and vessel also seem a bit weird on a deck that wants to play on curve ig?

your curve seems low besides some bigger payoffs but I'm sure those could wait

[trail anvil]

"oh I'll just pass on 5 million mana vs the sultai player who only has 4, what's the worst that could happen?"

• me, who subsequently got omnitelled in brawl, with a veil of summer to protect vs the counterspell

they did just resolve a tutor but I just thought surely they didn't have all 3 exact pieces lmao

[steady onyx]

i wanna play brawl

but it seems very expensive

which is sad

:(

cause you need 100 cards

and that’s a lot of those points

[trail anvil]

do you just want the wins or like to actually play the format

long term it's actually cheaper due to being singleton and a lot of staples are interchangeable between decks

[steady onyx]

to actually play the format

cause it seems like

that’s only good way to play “commander” online

[lusty trench]

What is brawl? Is it just commander using cards from mtga?

[trail anvil]

it's 1v1 commander with 25 life

[trail anvil]

I personally use cockatrice for that

but brawl is interesting in its own way

[golden plover]

Huh just lost to a mythic player playing bant Nadu Energy. Deck was something like this

There were springhearts and deathrites in there too, but it wouldn't let me put cards I don't own a copy of in the deck

It's obviously not as good as the Shuko build, and I didn't see any surgical extractions to see what the rest of the deck looked like. But it was interesting

I'd assume ocelot prides too

Probably Primal Prayers too?

[trail anvil]

did you click not collected

[golden plover]

Yeah, but it just asks me to craft them

[trail anvil]

is luminarch aspirant really the choice there too

[golden plover]

Ngl, I'm not sure Bant is the choice

You probably wanna do Temur honestly

Gets you galvanic, fury, and a couple other interesting cards

With Fury you can ping your Nadu for 1 while also killing threats

Or non-black with Yorion and beans?

[rigid scarab]

You could always test your luck with randos in vc

[sleek ferry]

What a satisfying win this was

Glamer saved my ass in the early game

[golden plover]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/H6rFXt6iGkmc8NJ6Xolafg

This is all I've got tbh

Access to Fury and Uro is big, probably oko too

WAIT YEAH OKO

Elking your own guy will proc nadu

There's no loop with Nadu here, but using him as a "fair" card to amass like 5 extra cards is probably still pretty good

[gritty nest]

im thinking of cutting thousand year storm tbh because my goal isnt storming off

[copper pecan]

thousand year storm isn't as good as it sounds unless it's the wincon

it's the kind of thing you really need to go all in on

[gritty nest]

yea, removed it

also removed mindsplice apparatus because i didnt have enough cards it would work with

16 cards actually

16 of my 37 instants and sorcery cards

im now at 117 cards. But I probably shouldnt have 32 creatures lol

[steady onyx]

that seems scary

i wanna pal commander

[rigid scarab]

With pals?

[steady onyx]

i wanna play commander

i’m going to casual commander this saturday before yugioh

at my ots

but idk how that will go

[golden plover]

https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2024/08/14/the-silver-bordered-project/

Oh the silver border thing is... Nothing

It's just the RC sitting down and deciding which silver border cards would be fine in commander and which aren't, but not changing legality

It's 3 more "rule 0 conversations" since they're breaking them up into "largely fine", "ask first", and "not fine"

[rigid scarab]

Physical casual tends to go well for me

[lusty trench]

They say that like most people actually have rule 0 talks, at most you’ll get a “hey I’m running -insert illegal card/proxy- is that okay” and like… most of the time you’ll say yes because you don’t want to be the guy who says no

[steady onyx]

i’m worried my deck is too weak though

and I will just get stomped

I was playing against myself 5 games last night

and urza won all 5 games against shadowheart

i do understand shadowheart kinda sucks in 1v1 since it’s bad for it to be targeted

[rigid scarab]

1v1 commander is a much different environment than 4 player commander

[steady onyx]

and it needs a bit more time

and it pops the fuck off if i just get 1-2 more turns

[rigid scarab]

Also casual commander isn't always about winning

[steady onyx]

because last stage of dungeon of the mad mage triggering 6 times is really funny

[rigid scarab]

It's about having a good experience

[steady onyx]

mabye I should play competitive than 😅

i just wish there were more cards that took initiate

undercity is super strong

but it’s hard to get into

[rigid scarab]

I mean yeah some people stray away from casual commander because they're players that want to build competitive decks that go for the win

[golden plover]

Yeah "just rule 0 it" is the lamest thing and it's literally all the RC has been doing for years

[rigid scarab]

If you're looking for budget ways to play competitive magic then Pioneer and Pauper are right there

[steady onyx]

i do wanna build a stax urza lord high with winter orb tho

that seems really fun

[golden plover]

Every commander banlist is "we're looking at problem cards, rule 0 them out"

[rigid scarab]

I mean even then when I play cEDH the primary goal is still to have fun for me

I don't think cEDH has a chance of having official sanctioned events without having lots of controversies

[lusty trench]

My soul for a thoracle ban

[rigid scarab]

It's very easy to cheat and collude in cEDH

[steady onyx]

wait why

[gritty nest]

waiting for thoracle ban years in the making

[rigid scarab]

Well for one thing 2 players can agree beforehand to team up

And split the prize money or something

Another thing for me is

[steady onyx]

oh fair

[rigid scarab]

I don't want to lose a game because one of my opponents made a mistake

Yknow

[golden plover]

But guys they've been "watching" Thoracle for years

"it self regulates"

[rigid scarab]

Losing a game based on things not under your control is one of the worst feelings in all of gaming

And cEDH has that happen a lot if even one guy isn't playing perfeclty

[lusty trench]

I’d argue this is more common in casual

[rigid scarab]

Well in casual you don't lose out on prize money for losing

[lusty trench]

The average player absolutely sucks at threat assessment and knowing what needs to be interacted

[golden plover]

"It self regulates" is the worst excuse btw

[lusty trench]

Fair

[rigid scarab]

It's still a feels bad

[gritty nest]

could I ask you guys for help with cutting 4 cards from Wizard Tribal?

[golden plover]

"we're not banning dockside because he's expensive and self regulates"

[rigid scarab]

But you don't have a tournament run end over it

[lusty trench]

Link me the list

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JDXDiXMcSU2xbh1JMkXbuA

i run 2 non wizards in total, but both are too good to pass on

[lusty trench]

Lightning stormkin, patron wizard, teleportal, lock and load

[gritty nest]

why stormkin, for being a 2/2 with haste flying?

[lusty trench]

Does nothing on its own

[gritty nest]

patron wizard because its UUU im guessing?

[lusty trench]

You also have plenty of evasion givers so your fine to go without it

[lusty trench]

That and mediocre effect for the cost

It’s fine, but it falls off the longer the game and requires you to have a board

[gritty nest]

lock and load because too mixed bag for 3 mana, teleportal because?

[lusty trench]

Lock and load is a trap, it feels abysmal to play in practice and you’re never going to get the draws when you don’t have cards in hand. Teleport because you have enough evasion and it’s the worst of the ones you have imo

[gritty nest]

bria, fill a board with stormsplitters, Blustersquall to mass tap the board

raise the palisade

crash through for trample, yea I get what you mean

i forgot who it was but someone suggested dualcaster mage and cards that make copies of creatures with haste, just to make infinite copies of dualcaster lol

[lusty trench]

Twin flame/heat shimmer and dual caster infinite yeah

[gritty nest]

yea

didnt want to do infinites

[lusty trench]

A lot of the izzet decks I make just dig deep for that infinite

[gritty nest]

fair

i wanted to play izzet but not

storm or artifacts

[lusty trench]

That’s fair enough, the issue with prowess in commander is it’s a lot of hoops to jump through for a very fair play style, but your list seems fine

[golden plover]

https://x.com/jimtsf/status/1823712429425283148

Jim Lapage (@JimTSF) on X

A few folks have asked for clarification on the most recent Commander Quarterly Announcement. This article focuses on one aspect of it.

Also planning an article on Nadu along with some assorted thoughts on the current state of the format.

https://t.co/ZGj8qMy3yc

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 1:25 PM

Oh guys don't worry

They're "planning an article on the state of the format"

RC actually does nothing lmao

[lusty trench]

“On nadu” I’m going to cry

I do not care about that bird fuck any more than I do about Krark sakashima, please do something about the actual broken cards

[golden plover]

If Nadu gets a ban before Thoracle or Dockside imma be pissed

But we all know it won't be a banlist

It'll be "Have a rule 0 talk with the Nadu player"

Because rule 0 magically solves all problems clearly

[gritty nest]

insert email that automatically redirects to rule 0

[copper pecan]

rule 0 is just a lazy excuse to offload balancing the format onto the players

[golden plover]

Yeah rule 0 has become a super crutch

[lusty trench]

It’s crazy to me because I haven’t seen another format in any other card game ask it if it’s players

[golden plover]

The RC does nothing because they just go "Hey rule 0 ban it if you don't like it"

[lusty trench]

At best you have dueling book rooms that ban things the host doesn’t like

[golden plover]

But also, if you're playing with a group of random strangers going "hey can we all agree to ban this card" comes off like an asshole

Rule 0 really only works with established friend groups, but a lot of people play commander at an LGS and end up playing with randoms/acquaintances

[twilit canyon]

right and if this was the case for it, i dont see the point to a banlist

[golden plover]

They should tighten the banlist so the rule 0 default is "can we play with this card unbanned" as opposed to "can we play with this card banned"

[twilit canyon]

if they were gonna offload the work to the community what is the point even

[twilit canyon]

right

bc as it is now, its just a total feelsbad

[lusty trench]

The last change to the list was in 2021 with golos it’s crazy

[golden plover]

It's a lot easier to go "hey can I play my Golos gates deck" than it is to go "hey can we all ban dockside"

The RC actually straight up does nothing

Hell, even in the flash ban they went "this is the only time we're doing this cedh players, don't get used to it"

[twilit canyon]

its about high time the rc stepped down and let new players hop in to format management

or just gut the banlist if this is how they are acting

[golden plover]

If they've got time to break every silver border card into 3 categories for extra rule 0 discussion, they've got time to ban like 5 more cards

Or.... Make a tiered banlist for black border cards

Where stuff like Dockside and Thoracle aren't "banned" but they're "discuss with your group first" if that's gonna be the solution

That would at least make it so you can have events/whatever where they go "hey all tier 2 cards are banned"

[twilit canyon]

that could be a solution

[golden plover]

Ideally they just actually ban the cards that need it

But if they're doing this tiered list for silver border, they could do a tiered list for black border too

[twilit canyon]

tier 1 cards: current commander banlist + thoracle but - golos
tier 2: dockside, breach, existing fast mana, golos, nadu

[golden plover]

Honestly, could even lead to interesting events at LGSes where a lot of the expected "problem" cards are on their tier 2 list and you can play around with having to deckbuild more interesting things

[twilit canyon]

tier 3: none of the above

[golden plover]

Honestly, I'm sure you can get a group together and get like 4 tiers made in a weekend

[twilit canyon]

this mostly solves the cedh conundrum too

you play tier 1 or 2 at competitive events and 3 or 4 elsewhere

[golden plover]

Yeah true. Tier 1 is Cedh, tier 2 is more casual, and tier 3 is like "beginner magic"

Would also let all the stand-up night magic players play together in tier 4 where all removal and counterspells are banned lmao

[sleek ferry]

It also solves the power level discussion to a certain degree

[golden plover]

So that I don't have to sit across from a guy who's upset I murdered his commander

[twilit canyon]

yep

[golden plover]

And it even still lets you have "rule 0"

Because you can go "hey what tier do we wanna play on?" Instead of "Oh my deck is like a 7"

[sleek ferry]

Crazy how that took a whole like 2 minutes to think up

[twilit canyon]

it'd take a lot longer to iterate upon

[sleek ferry]

And the RC can’t make a single positive solution

[golden plover]

Yeah we could literally figure this out in a weekend. What the fuck is the RC doing

[twilit canyon]

but thats like a genuine solution

[golden plover]

The issue is that they're doing this, but for silver border

[sleek ferry]

Sure, implementation should take longer, but proactive ideas shouldn’t take that long

[golden plover]

There's like 2 guys at every LGS who wanna play silver border but the other 99% of players don't care

[twilit canyon]

unrelated news

alchemy continues to be the better standard rn

[sleek ferry]

That’s kinda awkward but ig they don’t want to change their philosophy on alchemy

[twilit canyon]

its good. i kinda grew to hate the idea of foundations

they keep making standard less like standard

and having a set not rotate for the sake of balance is imo, a mistake to fix a problem they made

[lusty trench]

I’m still annoyed they pushed up duskmorns release for it

[sleek ferry]

I mean I think foundations itself is pointless for anything other than whatever land cycle they decide to throw in there

[twilit canyon]

its also meant to dictate the power level of certain cards

ie: rate of board wipes etc etc

[golden plover]

I think the idea of foundations is good but the previews are scary

[sleek ferry]

Funny thing is, 98% of the stuff in foundations is unplayable

[golden plover]

Llanowar elves defines standards it's in

[twilit canyon]

and day of judgment was in it too

[sleek ferry]

I’m cool with llanowar elves, green pre bloomburrow needed all the help it could get

[golden plover]

Oh true

[twilit canyon]

neither llanowar nor day are bad

[sleek ferry]

Post blb it’s in a better spot

[golden plover]

I think the idea is good, but they should have dialed back the power for it

[golden plover]

Only because if it's gonna be in standard for 5 years, they shouldn't be cards that people are asking to rotate previously

[lusty trench]

I wonder if they’ll print counter spell or lightning bolt

[twilit canyon]

tasteful is super nice

[lusty trench]

Probably not bolt

[twilit canyon]

not bolt

not counterspell

shock and mana leak maybe

[golden plover]

Probably not

[lusty trench]

Oh right I forget they do 2 mana counter spells conditionally only now

[golden plover]

Definitely shock

I'd personally like to see [[Adanto Vanguard]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/1/adanto-vanguard

Adanto Vanguard <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
As long as Adanto Vanguard is attacking, it gets +2/+0.
Pay 4 life: Adanto Vanguard gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
1/1

[golden plover]

He was a low-key star for white aggro in standard at the time

[lusty trench]

Man I’d kill for euru in paper, but the flavour for it is funny

[sleek ferry]

Also llanowar elves isn’t going to magically fix the issues green currently has of being too slow and having to wait a whole turn cycle for most of their payoffs

[golden plover]

And I think he's a very fair card that's very underrated

I mean, llanowar elves alone isn't gonna magically make green tier 0 in standard

But they've mentioned in the past having to be careful with the card being in standard because it's historically always been good in standard

Consider that elves sees at least some play in pretty much every format it's in

[twilit canyon]

1 mana dork into 3 mana play accelerates a ton of decks in ways that usually they dont like

[golden plover]

Even some in modern in stuff like Yawgmoth

Not as much now, but the card has historically always been playable

[twilit canyon]

i think i'd have liked arbor elf over llanowar

[golden plover]

Putting it in a non-rotating standard set is a questionable choice

Yeah, I think Arbor was a lot better of a call

Or even [[Avacyn's Pilgrim]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mic/132/avacyns-pilgrim

Avacyn's Pilgrim <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Monk
: Add .
"Avacyn's protection is everywhere. From the holy church to the sacred glade, all that we see is under her blessed watch."
1/1

[golden plover]

But Pilgrim is pretty close to llanowar in power level

I'm also a little hesitant on omniscience

It can very quickly potentially become a problem if there's a way to cheat it out in standard

[lusty trench]

I’d like to see a builders talent omniscience deck

That’d be funny

[golden plover]

Oh guess there's already one then lmao

[lusty trench]

“You see my birds have gotten so good at building that their minds ascended to achieve all knowable knowledge in the multiverse”

[golden plover]

Yeah, my concern is if there's an easy way to cheat out omniscience in standard, it leads to basically at least three years of show and tell lite in the format

Out of the other cards revealed [[Anthem of Champions]] is fine and what I'd expect from this

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/116/anthem-of-champions

Anthem of Champions <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Setessa is protected by four warrior factions, each named for an animal. United, they can repel any threat to their polis.

[golden plover]

[[Nine Lives Familiar]] feels potentially good

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/66/nine-lives-familiar

Nine-Lives Familiar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Cat
This creature enters with eight revival counters on it if you cast it.
When this creature dies, if it had a revival counter on it, return it to the battlefield with one fewer revival counter on it at the beginning of the next end step.
Her master gathered the bones to resurrect her, only to find her purring on the altar.
1/1

[lusty trench]

There are two? Other cards you can revive omniscience with iirc in standard

[golden plover]

I guess 5 is a pretty fair rate for it rn

Issue is if you can ever do it for say 3

[twilit canyon]

with llanowar and a 2 mana dork u can reliably so on t4

[golden plover]

The other issue with foundations is that there's fucking commander products with it

Still baffling to me the "get into standard" set has commander only cards

[trail anvil]

just remember you're playing with 3 other players in what's probably a casual setting

you can play it but it'll probably be a lot less fun than in 1v1

[zinc shard]

Secret Lair: "Death is in the Eye of the Beholder"

[gritty nest]

Can we popularize a new banlist then

[golden plover]

It would be a good idea, but the RC says no for some reason

[gritty nest]

They do nothing

Sucks to be them

Commander isn’t even an official format, and even then, I doubt they can do anything other than throw a fit over the community telling them to collectively fuck off

[pulsar talon]

We had that with the pepe suggestion list

That everyone every just used it anyway because who wanted to play pepe format?

[sleek ferry]

yeah, I'm convinced, [[dour port mage]] is goated

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/47/dour-port-mage

Dour Port-Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Wizard
Whenever one or more other creatures you control leave the battlefield without dying, draw a card.
, : Return another target creature you control to its owner's hand.
"Find your mooring and stop clogging the shipping lanes!"
1/3

[sudden lava]

Lmao, I was just saying I wanted a Xanathar SL alt art.

and all the SL cards are in dimir to

[copper pecan]

oh god is this gonna be a megacycle

4 mana 2 color 3/3s that conjure artifacts and put counters on the artifacts when you do the thing

[sudden lava]

What would the Rakdos one do? Conjure chainsaws?

[rigid scarab]

Well theoretically a collective could take down any organisation

The collective tending to do complete inaction is the reason why leadership exists as a concept

[sudden lava]

"Not an official format", nah it has dedicated product to it.

https://youtu.be/kMrLgZjFV5o

Also new Remy video dropped

[golden plover]

Rare bonus cards confirmed for the DnD lairs... Yay

So there's normal ones and sometimes there's these

https://preview.redd.it/wyglcgm0nnid1.png?width=1138&format=png&auto=webp&s=a7c7407d5944143282967b88f915a0405ca20009

https://preview.redd.it/afiu0gm0nnid1.png?width=1198&format=png&auto=webp&s=85f49c73260aa67a950f23d3efa9987732c6b610

Durnan is not a halfling... And he's already got a card [[Durnan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/657/durnan-of-the-yawning-portal

Durnan of the Yawning Portal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever Durnan attacks, look at the top four cards of your library. You may exile a creature card from among them. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. For as long as that card remains exiled, you may cast it. That spell has undaunted. (It costs less to cast for each opponent.)
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

[golden plover]

Can't say I'm a fan of SL bonus cards not being guaranteed

[trail anvil]

ahaha yes spread the gospel

they did mostly just talk about how hard this can kingmake because an extra turn is an extra turn lol

[gritty nest]

Are they saying it’s bad or good

[trail anvil]

they basically said "inconclusive" lol

it's good for my locals power level but I think your mileage may vary by how many decks can completely turn a game with a free extra turn. last time I used it, the player who I gave an extra turn to immediately got focused down by the other two players before they could take said turn

[gritty nest]

Bruh

[stark skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9VXr05hiGo

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GU9iwbMa4AIdF0u?format=png&name=120x120

Dog pogging

And Oko in Olivia's arm is like "nuuuu you're smooshing me"

[atomic harness]

Hi son

[atomic harness]

ill let thugs misty or komi have it son

[atomic harness]

one of the best and cheapest upgrades imo is playing the Mirrodin Mana Myrs, so Gold Myr, Leaden Myr, and Silver Myr

Not only do they give you affinity for artifacts to make urza cost cheaper, they also give you one of the needed esper manas to cast him quick

Angel of the ruins is pretty butt so thats a fast cut. Eventually you'll be wanting to cut the bounce lands since they're middling

[[dispatch]] is one of the best instants to have and is easy to power up thanks to metalcraft

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https://scryfall.com/card/nec/83/dispatch

Dispatch <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Tap target creature.
Metalcraft — If you control three or more artifacts, exile that creature.
Venser wondered if it could still be called a teleportation spell if the destination is oblivion.

[atomic harness]

eventually you'll be cutting most of the non artifact creatures too aside from Urza LHA and Losheel

Darksteel relic is buns dont play that haha

You can play Emry and if you want free 0 cost artifacts that do stuff, Mishra's Bauble

Gingerbrute and Stonecoil Serpent are also cheap versatile artifact creatures you can run. Spellskite, Vault Skirge

Soulless Jailer / Ethersworn Canonist / Esper Sentinel are cute n cheap flood-ish creatures to run

you want some early game cheapo artifact creatures so you can summon old man fast

then hold up cheap interaction spells while the constructs go to town

Metallic Rebuke, An offer you can't refuse/swan song, Stubborn Denial (super easy to get ferocious because of urza/and or a construct token) Urza's Saga ofc run that if you can

Adarkar Wastes, Caves of Kolios, Underground River replaces bounce lands or temples

most of the time you'll want 1 mana counterspells/interaction to either save your board or stop someone from winning da game

Annointed is kinda overrated. If you want to double up your constructs just get [[Karn, Scion of Urza]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/1/karn-scion-of-urza

Karn, Scion of Urza <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
+1: Reveal the top two cards of your library. An opponent chooses one of them. Put that card into your hand and exile the other with a silver counter on it.
−1: Put a card you own with a silver counter on it from exile into your hand.
−2: Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Loyalty: 5

[atomic harness]

and cast the "ultimate"

You'll also be cutting most of the big boy artifact creatures because theyre not too worth it. You can get huge damage off the constructs alone, so either more utility creatures or spells are better to run (Cyberdrive / Kappa Cannoneer are fine)

put in [[thoughtcast]] it's pot of greed

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https://scryfall.com/card/moc/242/thoughtcast

Thoughtcast <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Draw two cards.
Vedalken eyes don't see the beauty in things. They see only what those things can teach.

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/livingcardsmtg/status/1823762933123318155

Geoffrey Palmer (@livingcardsmtg) on X

I Photoshop Paddington into a Magic card until I don't: Day 298

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 4:45 PM

[trail anvil]

when you pair wilson refined grizzly with hardy outlander

[stark skiff]

Wao kid take my gifts

[stark skiff]

yawn urza is boring kid

lets talk da vinci

[trail anvil]

ty uwu

[sudden lava]

Heading to sleep, wish me luck at locals tomorrow

[atomic harness]

Glhf sumsum

[trail anvil]

is it just me or is quick draft way easier than player draft?

had some huge picks but pivoted late from frogs

[trail anvil]

glhf

[atomic harness]

frog

[trail anvil]

I was gonna go that but I had fireglass mentor and some other card cause bats and frogs started to look underwhelming, then got gev in pack 2 lmao

[zinc shard]

I hate this game

(This is in Draft)

(Still Won)

[trail anvil]

was gonna say, this doesn't look like the worst swords

[zinc shard]

From Foundations

[[Hero's Downfall]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/112/heros-downfall

Hero's Downfall <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
Odric resisted the vampire's curse with all his strength. But after a lifetime of fighting monsters, he was doomed to become one himself.

[lusty trench]

Damn blood artist 2

[sleek ferry]

Day 3 of bouncing avian interrupter with dour port mage for infinite value

[steady onyx]

tanks ren

im still stuck on what to cut

i need to cut 8 more cards

would i ever remove lands for non land cards

like the myrs

or should I keep my lands the same

[atomic harness]

I think I had like 31-32 lands on mine

[steady onyx]

i think i might just cut the 3 scry lands

[atomic harness]

Oh not sure how expensive these are but you're gonna want the battlebond lands

I never got to own morphic pool, just vault and sea of clouds

[steady onyx]

i have morhpic pool for shadowheart

[atomic harness]

Yeah the lands could use some work. It's fine to keep the tapped artifact dual lands because well, they're artifact lands

so they power up your constructs

[steady onyx]

[[marionette master]] [[myr battlesphere]] [[sharding sphinx]] [[sharuum the hegemon]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/afc/102/marionette-master

Marionette Master <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Artificer
Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters, put three +1/+1 counters on it or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.)
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Marionette Master's power.
1/3

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/366/myr-battlesphere

Myr Battlesphere <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact Creature — Myr Construct
When Myr Battlesphere enters, create four 1/1 colorless Myr artifact creature tokens.
Whenever Myr Battlesphere attacks, you may tap X untapped Myr you control. If you do, Myr Battlesphere gets +X/+0 until end of turn and deals X damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.
4/7

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/235/sharding-sphinx

Sharding Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an artifact creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may create a 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
Whether mechanical or biological, life finds a way to propagate itself.
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/219/sharuum-the-hegemon

Sharuum the Hegemon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Sphinx
Flying
When Sharuum the Hegemon enters, you may return target artifact card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
To gain audience with the hegemon, one must bring a riddle she has not heard.
5/5

[steady onyx]

should i kep these 4?

[atomic harness]

Master and sharding can go

Battlesphere and sharuum are okay

[steady onyx]

im also keeping sai master thopterist as a non artificat creature

because hes so insane

imo

[atomic harness]

Yeah he's fine to keep, one of the few I did

but like tawnos and samwell are kinda memes

Losheel is very good works w your commander

[[Caves of Kolios]] [[Adarkar Wastes]] [[Underground River]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/277/caves-of-koilos

Caves of Koilos

Land
: Add .
: Add or . Caves of Koilos deals 1 damage to you.
After years of silence, the caves once again echo with the grisly sounds of Phyrexians preparing for war.

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/243/adarkar-wastes

Adarkar Wastes

Land
: Add .
: Add or . Adarkar Wastes deals 1 damage to you.
Left barren by the Brothers' War, it stands as a stark reminder of Dominaria's likely fate should the Coalition fail.

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/338/underground-river

Underground River

Land
: Add .
: Add or . Underground River deals 1 damage to you.
"The war polluted the land, turning what had once been fruitful fields into fetid morasses of mud and rusted corpses." —The Antiquities War

[atomic harness]

These pain lands also replace the temples

if you're worried about your life total you're an aggro deck w fairly beefy creatures so its not a big deal, but also something like Vault Skirge and Gold Forged Thopteryx has lifelink

[rigid scarab]

What's your average cmc?

[atomic harness]

Should be on the lower end sickle-chan once he cuts most of the filler

[steady onyx]

and than ren

what about

[[disciple of the vault]] and [[phyrexian metamorph]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/86/disciple-of-the-vault

Disciple of the Vault <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may have target opponent lose 1 life.
He stands in the shadow of his lord, Geth, drinking in the dark energies of the Vault.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/116/phyrexian-metamorph

Phyrexian Metamorph <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaup:292901508780130305>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Shapeshifter
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
You may have Phyrexian Metamorph enter as a copy of any artifact or creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.
0/0

[steady onyx]

as an infinte combo with sharryman

or not needed?

[atomic harness]

Oh thats a cute infinite. Whats the power level of your playgroups usually

those get better once you run more interaction to stop your opponents from stopping you

[steady onyx]

idk

i played once a while ago and forget

i think imma add it

[atomic harness]

It's fine to keep if you want though you probably wont do it too often

[steady onyx]

yeah

that was my thought

but cool if I do get to pull it off

[atomic harness]

The other infinite is Urza LHA + thopter + meek

and thop + meek still has value even if you dont have infinite mana

[steady onyx]

yeah

i know that one

cause u can also run time sieve

for the next turn

is [[thopter shop]] any good?

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https://scryfall.com/card/brc/19/thopter-shop

Thopter Shop <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever one or more artifact creatures you control die, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
, : Create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
Rushed repairs once sent a thopter back to combat with a mechanic's still-warm lunch in the gunner's seat.

[atomic harness]

I dont hate it if your playgroup is a lot more battlecruisery / board wipey

I run it and thopter spy network but I cut the bident

[steady onyx]

cause im at 101 rn

and idk what to cut

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/WR3_x9zKFUSS7jQkAOgNTA

heres my list

[atomic harness]

Alright lets see what else to get rid of here

the flesh is weak is kinda clunky, depends if you run into a lot of ppl who make 1/1s I guess to poop on them

[steady onyx]

hmm

ok

[atomic harness]

both it and mirrodin besieged (love the set but the card is mid) are outclassed by

[[simulacrum synthesizer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/big/6/simulacrum-synthesizer

Simulacrum Synthesizer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
When Simulacrum Synthesizer enters, scry 2.
Whenever another artifact you control with mana value 3 or greater enters, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."

[atomic harness]

the goat

You can run chief of the foundry's brother which is Foundry Inspector

[steady onyx]

i live mirrodin beseiged

especially the alt win con

if u get board wiped

[atomic harness]

Can keep it if you like it then

URB usually screws you over more than the opponents bc you dont have a lot of legendary permanents, can run a different boardwipe that doesnt affect artifacts

[steady onyx]

hm

ok

like what

[atomic harness]

[[organic exctinction]] I remember this one

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/76/organic-extinction

Organic Extinction <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Destroy all nonartifact creatures.
"Technology evolves faster than a blade can swing." —Arima, lead inventor of the Futurists

[atomic harness]

or [[phyrexian rebirth]] which hits everything but you get a big artifact guy in exchange

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https://scryfall.com/card/moc/199/phyrexian-rebirth

Phyrexian Rebirth <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures, then create an X/X colorless Phyrexian Horror artifact creature token, where X is the number of creatures destroyed this way.
As long as one drop of the oil exists, the joyous work continues.

[atomic harness]

Chrome Courier's not too great imo, can defo be replaced

Lion Sash is a nice utility artifact creature too

[[Lion Sash]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/26/lion-sash

Lion Sash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Equipment Cat
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a permanent card, put a +1/+1 counter on Lion Sash.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on Lion Sash.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1

[atomic harness]

If you want another planeswalker narset, parter of veils is a very nice one

[[Narset, Parter of Veils]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/32/narset-parter-of-veils

Narset, Parter of Veils <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Narset
Each opponent can't draw more than one card each turn.
−2: Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Loyalty: 5

[atomic harness]

very cheap, slows the game down, lets you dig for interaction and you can protect her from getting attacked with your constructs

huh urza's saga is still expensive holy

[subtle sierra]

Smh ren suggesting to play droll

[atomic harness]

Sigh son I told him it's okay as long as they dont do drollcarnation

[golden plover]

Damn I am losing to random meme shit this morning. Lost to Charbelcher and then a deck that looped cthonian nightmare and [[Greedy Freebooter]] to burn me to death

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/109/greedy-freebooter

Greedy Freebooter <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Pirate
When Greedy Freebooter dies, scry 1 and create a Treasure token. (To scry 1, look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom. A Treasure token is an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Neither Nurgam nor the mycoid who laid the trap could quite believe their luck.
1/1

[golden plover]

Second felt worse because it's a fuckin 4 card combo

[steady onyx]

i wanna build a lord hihg deck

with winter orb

and static orb

and all that fun stuff

[atomic harness]

You could but it's very mean

so depends on the playgroup

[glad peak]

Tbh once people get past the initial “I hate stax” mentality after beating it a couple times, a lot of people come around to it being a lot more interesting

[rigid scarab]

I think generally stigmatised stuff can feel a lot better depending on the demeanour of the person using it

[fallow citrus]

I don't think I'd ever call it interesting but I think commander and magic in general makes stax feel more forgiving than floodgates in ygo for example

[golden plover]

I think people hate stax way more than it's deserving ngl

Like sure it's not necessarily super fun to play against, but "Oh man fuck you for stax" is very common but the combo player doesn't get the same hate

[sleek ferry]

This is every tcg