Magic the Gathering

[clever sun]

My bad

[gritty nest]

i have both in the deck

[clever sun]

Ah you have all three

[gritty nest]

but i could cut all 3 for snow basics?

[clever sun]

Sorry I'm actually a bit blind now

[gritty nest]

youre good

[clever sun]

The slow-lands? Yeah

I'd play basics over them

[gritty nest]

fair

[clever sun]

One of each snow and regular basic

[gritty nest]

my only other guess was the lands like [[!Sunken Ruins]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/326/sunken-ruins

Sunken Ruins

[gritty nest]

as in removing those for snow basics

[clever sun]

Nah these are somewhat decent but

You do want a fetchable amount of basics

If you are at 101 cards, cut the Ral planeswalker(s)

Oh Rowan is worse

Cut her

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/eN5Z-jJT9UeRwrLmB9lLog

exotic orchard for the third snow basic?

[clever sun]

I don't love Chromatic Lantern. I'd probably play the Guild Signets over it

Nah Orchard is good

[gritty nest]

[[Izzet Signet]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/259/izzet-signet

Izzet Signet <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, : Add .
The Izzet signet is redesigned often, each time becoming closer to a vanity portrait of Niv-Mizzet.

[clever sun]

Izzet is your best bet

[gritty nest]

i see

[clever sun]

Without Chain, you don't need Professor Onyx

At your preferred power level, I'd unironically play Jace the Mind Sculptor

[gritty nest]

alright

[clever sun]

Oh swap Merchant Scroll of [[Muddle the Mixture]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/50/muddle-the-mixture

Muddle the Mixture <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell.
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)

[gritty nest]

alright

i am currently trying to figure out what I want to cut for the snow-covered swamp

[clever sun]

[[Wishclaw Talisman]] is also a very good card when you need to end the game

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/110/wishclaw-talisman

Wishclaw Talisman <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Artifact
Wishclaw Talisman enters the battlefield with three wish counters on it.
, , Remove a wish counter from Wishclaw Talisman: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. An opponent gains control of Wishclaw Talisman. Activate only during your turn.

[clever sun]

I see you at 98/100

[gritty nest]

refresh page

moxfield doesnt update in real time

[clever sun]

Ah there we go

Uhhh

Storm-Kiln Artist is basically a worse version of Malcolm and Buccaneer

That said, if you are on this much artifact mana, you will be overkilling it

[gritty nest]

so I dont really need either one

[clever sun]

You can be at 30 lands cutting the Pathways

And Graven Cairn

And yeah

Since Dark Rit and Cabal Rit make so much black, you don't need a second swamp

[gritty nest]

fair

i cut storm kiln and the three lands

[clever sun]

And then play all 3 Signets

Izzet, Dimir, and Rakdos

It also makes Dramatic Reversal and Isochron better

[gritty nest]

true

[clever sun]

Yeah yeah okay

[gritty nest]

feel like I missed a card you said, i am at 99 cards lol

[clever sun]

So cut Baral, Electromancer, Stormcatch Mentor, and Guttersnipe

Play Simian Spirit Guide, Bucaneer, Malcolm, and Notion Thief

Then add Narset and Windfall

Your artifact mana production is way higher to get you into an actual storm count than any of those other cards could

Then, abuse Dramatic Scepter to create storm counts for both Ral's and TYS

[gritty nest]

what do you think of Crackling Wit btw?

[clever sun]

Hm

[gritty nest]

i feel like you cast him and neg 10 in the same turn lol

[clever sun]

Given that I'm blanking on the card

[gritty nest]

he's new

[clever sun]

Probably not well

Oh lol

[gritty nest]

-10 draw 3 and emblem gives all instants and sorceries storm

[clever sun]

You can easily cause his -10

[gritty nest]

when you cast a noncreature spell throw a counter on him

[clever sun]

On a Storm turn

[gritty nest]

[[Ral, Crackling Wit]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/230/ral-crackling-wit

Ral, Crackling Wit <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Ral
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put a loyalty counter on Ral, Crackling Wit.
+1: Create a 1/1 blue and red Otter creature token with prowess.
−3: Draw three cards, then discard two cards.
−10: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "Instant and sorcery spells you cast have storm." (Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
Loyalty: 4

[clever sun]

You can also do Necropotence or One Ring here btw

I wouldn't do both

But you can

[gritty nest]

i'll cut brain freeze to add necropotence

[clever sun]

Cut Twincast

Or Thrill of Possibilities

[gritty nest]

twincast

[clever sun]

Add Windfall and Necro

[gritty nest]

at least thrill is card draw

nevermind ill cut both

lol

[clever sun]

Necro makes Thrill look embarassing

And if you add Necro

You will have a need to not discard if at all possible

Because Necro exiles all cards you discard

[gritty nest]

fair point

[clever sun]

Honestly I like One Ring better nowdays

[gritty nest]

ill swap

although necropotence art looks cool

[clever sun]

It does

But One Ring also works with Minamo

[gritty nest]

[[!Necropotence|WOT|0031]]

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No card found with with collector number “0031” in Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

[clever sun]

Which you can play over Cascade Bluffs

So untap the Ring and then play Sheoldred over Guttersnipe

[gritty nest]

[[Minamo, school at waters edge]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/chk/279/minamo-school-at-waters-edge

Minamo, School at Water's Edge

Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Untap target legendary permanent.
Its students graduate the school and enter history.

[clever sun]

And now you're feeding Ad Nauseam

Yep

Ring + Shelly + Minamo

Swapping out Twincast, Thrill, and Gutter

So as a Storm player as evident by my name, I'll tell you that you only ever want a single pay off for your Storm

Ral can be that. TYS can be that. Freeze can be that. And new Ral can be that.

That's all four copies you would want in Commander

[gritty nest]

so pretty much

Sheoldred Burn
Thoracle
Freeze Mill
Ral (both)

as both storm count rewards and goals to win

[clever sun]

Sheoldred is really mean with Windfall btw

With TYS, you can potentially burn the table out with her

[gritty nest]

now dumb question

[clever sun]

Just be wary of decking yourself

[gritty nest]

sheoldred the apocalypse right?

[clever sun]

Oh of course

[gritty nest]

how exactly does ring and sheoldred cause you to win? or did I misunderstand

[clever sun]

Sheoldred and Ring don't auto win rather it helps you gain what we call a fuckload of life and cards

[gritty nest]

ahhh

alright

[clever sun]

Which you can spend that life on Ad Nauseam

Say Shelly gains you like 16 life

That's on average an extra 10 cards off Ad Naus

Maybe more

[gritty nest]

because lands are obviously 0

[clever sun]

Yep

Moxfield tells you your average mana value without lands

With lands and with Ad Naus and without

You are currently at one

[clever sun]

Congrats

It is actually 16 cards for 16 life

On average

[gritty nest]

hows the curve? lol

[clever sun]

At this power level btw, you may actually encounter enough artifacts to make Dockside Extortionist worth it

I'd hold off

But keep it in mind. It can replace Urabrask

[gritty nest]

i will

[clever sun]

Or PiF

[clever sun]

for my taste it's too heavy on anything over 2

But it's fine

[gritty nest]

alright

[clever sun]

If Jace underperforms, try Blasphemous Act

You don't want to remove artifacts but if you do need to, I'd try Kolaghan's Command too at your power level

Don't ask about Enchantments. Those are countered

[gritty nest]

what about enchant-

[clever sun]

Oh do you not have Mana Drain?

[gritty nest]

seriously though

no

[clever sun]

Raw upgrade over CS

And Wash Away can instead be Force of Negation Imo

[gritty nest]

alright

thank you for your help btw

[clever sun]

Yeah no problem. I basically play all Grixis decks and mostly at a cEDH level

But I have plenty of top of the line power ten pods

[gritty nest]

i don't normally play at cEDH level but i wanted to build Kess again

[clever sun]

So if you have any questions, you can feel free to ask

You can ping my sister @twilit canyon if I'm not online and she'll get ahold of me as well since I rarely check other pings

[gritty nest]

alright, thank you

do you want to see what I normally play?

just for fun tbh

[clever sun]

I can take a look but I'm only really an expert at Grixis lol

[gritty nest]

oh im not after advice for it

[clever sun]

And if it's green I'll make fun of you for it

[gritty nest]

its abzan tokens essentially

well at least one of the decks

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zMA2Va5Wck6ZfbdH6RffYw

[clever sun]

Oh it's green ew

🤢

[gritty nest]

LMAO

[clever sun]

I hate Green

[gritty nest]

Ignore Goreclaw, it doesnt exist anymore

and whatever the oh no one is

i forget

[clever sun]

Too much Green

[gritty nest]

oh its [[Saheeli, the Gifted]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c18/44/saheeli-the-gifted

Saheeli, the Gifted <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
+1: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
+1: The next spell you cast this turn costs less to cast for each artifact you control as you cast it.
−7: For each artifact you control, create a token that's a copy of it. Those tokens gain haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step.
Saheeli, the Gifted can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4

[clever sun]

[gritty nest]

in my defense

im working on [[Edward Kenway]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/53/edward-kenway

Edward Kenway <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Pirate
At the beginning of your end step, create a Treasure token for each tapped Assassin, Pirate, and/or Vehicle you control.
Whenever a Vehicle you control deals combat damage to a player, look at the top card of that player's library, then exile it face down. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled.
5/5

[clever sun]

Remember that Malcolm Glint-Horn combo I showed you

[gritty nest]

i also have Jeskai Human Tribal, and a few other non green decks i dont have thrown in

[gritty nest]

yea ill keep that in mind, im trying to not get too much advice on edward for building it

[clever sun]

Fair enough

[gritty nest]

im building a deck for my partner, and im working on (yes laugh at me) Naya Saga Voltron with Sigurd

Blue and White is arguably my favorite colors tbh

[clever sun]

Green 🤢

[gritty nest]

lmfao

[clever sun]

Wait Azorius but you have very few of those

[gritty nest]

true

[clever sun]

If you're lacking inspiration though I get it

In Commander it can be awkward

[gritty nest]

its why ive been messing with stuff that has green, different than what I normally use

[clever sun]

Since a ton of the Azorius cards lean on being misery piles and in casual settings, it falls apart

[gritty nest]

Sigurd is literally Saga Manipulation and Voltron

Food deck is just shenanigans that no one keeps in check

[gritty nest]

azorious outright isnt fun imo, i prefer having a third color with them

because at least it opens up to more options/ideas

[clever sun]

Fair

Have you built Tivit?

[gritty nest]

[[Tivit]]

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Multiple cards match “Tivit”, can you be more specific?

[clever sun]

Easily one of the most fun Esper commanders

[gritty nest]

[[Seller of Secrets]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/10/tivit-seller-of-secrets

Tivit, Seller of Secrets <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx Rogue
Flying, ward
Council's dilemma — Whenever Tivit enters the battlefield or deals combat damage to a player, starting with you, each player votes for evidence or bribery. For each evidence vote, investigate. For each bribery vote, create a Treasure token.
While voting, you may vote an additional time. (The votes can be for different choices or for the same choice.)
6/6

[gritty nest]

thats neat

i raise

[[Kykar, Wind's Fury]] Vehicles

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/343/kykar-winds-fury

Kykar, Wind's Fury <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying.
Sacrifice a Spirit: Add .
"The raging gale fans the flames of righteous wrath."
3/3

[clever sun]

I'm not a huge fan of vehicles but I have done Kykar storm

[gritty nest]

fair

halo fountain unironically wins games

oh idk if it was there

i have a weird [[Breya, Etherium Shaper]] deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/289/breya-etherium-shaper

Breya, Etherium Shaper <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Human
When Breya, Etherium Shaper enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying.
, Sacrifice two artifacts: Choose one —
• Breya deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker.
• Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn.
• You gain 5 life.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

what the

[gritty nest]

every card is modern retro frame (aka Time Spiral Remastered) and forward

[twilit canyon]

fair enough actually

[clever sun]

Oh that's pretty neat

I don't really do themed decks besides my Nicol Bolas themed deck

It's hard stax

[gritty nest]

people were weirded out by [[!Karn, the Great Creator|SLD|253]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sld/253/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator

[clever sun]

Through the power of land destruction, hand destruction, and permanent destruction.

[gritty nest]

and the fact Mycosynth Lattice has a retro frame print

[clever sun]

[gritty nest]

understandable

i added the two because theres not many retro frame options

hell shocks just recently are now in retro frame, so is [[Kappa Cannoneer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/270/kappa-cannoneer

Kappa Cannoneer <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Turtle Warrior
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ward
Whenever Kappa Cannoneer or another artifact enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Kappa Cannoneer and it can't be blocked this turn.
4/4

[golden plover]

If you're looking for Jeskai, I highly recommend [[Elsha of the Infinite]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/208/elsha-of-the-infinite

Elsha of the Infinite <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Djinn Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast noncreature spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, you may cast it as though it had flash.
3/3

[golden plover]

She's super fun

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/4/1/41e58eb8-e5b9-4ef6-be1f-00e28cebb998.jpg?1720541783

This goober is growing on me

[copper pecan]

dat boi...

[sudden lava]

An infinite hand for a price, fair and reasonable

Even if it's a recipe for temur cheerios with a side of madness.

[trail anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yoKgVV4DkU good timing

[sudden lava]

"No room for devious plots"

etc, plotting isnt casting

[gritty nest]

you mean the act of exiling the card for the plot cost?

[sudden lava]

yes, plot refers to paying the plot cost.

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1261895107909648496/IMG_1048.png?ex=66949ee6&is=66934d66&hm=5d6289a6f346e0f490b4517f224cc7d18469facdf5209821b9ec5af55b6481a9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=394&height=544

[twilit canyon]

i see wotc is going back to their good strategy of making cards start by reading well and then immediately falling off and sucking ass

[sudden lava]

yeah this aint it

[trail anvil]

I think it's not the best but I think I'd play it in a 4 power matters deck for fun

shame topiary stomper is rotating

I usually don't advocate for ward on creatures but this looks like it's sorely in need of some ward lmao

[sleek ferry]

It’s red anyways so if it did have ward it could only be like ward 1 or ward pay x life

[trail anvil]

ward pay x life at least adds up a bit when this is ideally doing damage the turn it comes down

[lusty trench]

Tried real hard for the name for this one huh wotc

[stark skiff]

neat theres finally a card that does something with the cards that remain exiled.

[golden plover]

Wow he sure is... Dragonhawk

[pulsar talon]

If only it was a thunder monster

[golden plover]

Thunder Dragonhawk is pretty close to a thunder dragon card name actually

Oh wait it's literally one

[granite badge]

Holu

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262251909990060052/8ehjdtyuqlcd1.webp?ex=6695eb32&is=669499b2&hm=340c1c8d65eea7fb0deaa51c54458472a1cb6d9e1dce8757075e634c695599db&=&format=webp&width=390&height=543

card from Australia

[trail anvil]

feels weird to me. good butt, but only one token in a go-wide archetype doesn't feel amazing

ig in theory you force trades vs go tall decks eventually?

[trail anvil]

man I need to play goad more often. people durdle so hard with big boards

[trail anvil]

Stormbreaker 3R

Creature Otter Wizard

Haste

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a token copy of Stormbreaker. Exile those copies at the beginning of the next end step

1/4

Mythic

holy fuck this card looks insanely fun

scute storm

this looks insane too?? you can probably play it early with two-for-ones then it just gets way fucking scarier with each attack, especially if you somehow give it haste?

6/6 is also just a fuckin massive body

[stark skiff]

woah that viper is nicec

[golden plover]

This goes infinite VERY quickly with stuff like [[Sprout Swarm]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fut/138/sprout-swarm

Sprout Swarm <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Buyback (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)
Create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.

[golden plover]

I think it's literally like 2 iterations

With 4 otters you get infinite tokens

5 iterations gives you 32 otters

6 iterations is 64

7 is 128

10 is over 1,000

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Patchwork-Banner-400x559.jpg

Lord of the Mana Rocks

[copper pecan]

seems very good

[sudden lava]

Hoping we see The Flood Gar today

[golden plover]

This guys is really weird

[lusty trench]

[fallow citrus]

I asume the idea is like

you offspring it and then when they try to remove one you get a buffed other one

[lusty trench]

What do you mean this triggers Nadu twice every time an opponent tries to interact

[golden plover]

Why is he opponent's effect in a set with valiant

[lusty trench]

Because nadu

He would be a one mana double your Nadu triggers

Makes Nadu even more consistent which is what the deck absolutely does not need

[golden plover]

But surely it'd make more sense to give you a +1/+1 coutjer whenever you trigger valiant

He's like a bad psudeo-ward

Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262433759882645597/image.png?ex=6696948f&is=6695430f&hm=ba355d8faf71720a492bd04569a5559fcc77843aba55805308f6d7cbfa905ace&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=306

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262433815448649749/image.png?ex=6696949c&is=6695431c&hm=26a4d5337c71ad5ef51764bdb873688b777d7502f14375675a1222820b8b51f4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=307

[lusty trench]

This is actually really nice

[sudden lava]

I need to find the bushy bodyguard token

[lusty trench]

Bushy bodyguard is gonna be crazy in limited

War squeak ain't bad

[fallow citrus]

that bell is going to be crazy in limited too

[golden plover]

Wait do we not remember the jackdaw copypasta

Also, yeah the bird is good

Wow this.. sucks

That "and" really killed the card

[lusty trench]

Feel like it tested too strong in limited and they over corrected

[golden plover]

Probably. Should've just made it 1-2 MV higher tho

[lusty trench]

Not awful

The only issue this has is the very niche scenario where they've lost life and only have lands in hand

Cute card

[golden plover]

It's [[Thermo-Alchemist]] but cuter

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https://scryfall.com/card/mid/164/thermo-alchemist

Thermo-Alchemist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
Defender
: Thermo-Alchemist deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, untap Thermo-Alchemist.
"Madness can't touch a mind ignited by genius."
0/3

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/d3q3mxs68pcd1.png?auto=webp&s=3fc19a4ea13d0880c1e66474d72d88edf9ab3d56

Obligatory "act of treason" sidegrade for draft

[sudden lava]

Anyone have the bushy bodyguard token?

[golden plover]

Seems pretty easy to actually get this one live on curve

I'd wager if you're in lizards, this is a very solid card to grab

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsCgI0Om-E8

[lusty trench]

I have seen him play with wubby, he's not good but he's got fun energy

[sudden lava]

😮 Shuffle up and play episode on my birthday?! I gotta watch this

[sleek ferry]

Happy birthday summer

[sudden lava]

Thank you

[trail anvil]

I like how it functions similar to stella lee, but you can also just boost its power another way

[zinc shard]

Ah damn

Beat me to it

[trail anvil]

gotcha

[lusty trench]

They learnt from Stella lee and gave it a cost

This having vigilance goes hard though

Attack with it, pump it, and then tap it to either loot or copy a pump

[zinc shard]

[[Monstrous Rage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/142/monstrous-rage

Monstrous Rage <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. Create a Monster Role token attached to it. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.)
"My, what big paws y—" —Thomas the woodsman, last words

[zinc shard]

Nvm this doesn't work like I thought it would

[lusty trench]

[[archons glory]] maybe?

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/2/archons-glory

Archon's Glory <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. If this spell was bargained, that creature also gains flying and lifelink until end of turn.
A winged dawn dispels the terrors of night.

[lusty trench]

Thing about this though is it just feels like building worse infect in standard

[copper pecan]

yo they put blitzball in mtg

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/k3vcrs80bqcd1.png?auto=webp&s=242313428ecd9cb923d0dc49930b46faa80eb046

Huge for standard

[sudden lava]

Note Kitsa doesn't go infinite as easy as Stella Lee

[trail anvil]

oh shit it's back nice

I'm glad this is getting a reprint too

[zinc shard]

[[$Fabled Passage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/252/fabled-passage

Prices for Fabled Passage

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[gritty nest]

I built Ezio on a budget, but broke the budget by $50

[lusty trench]

How did you overshoot?

[gritty nest]

Lands

And a few non lands

You want to see what I threw together?

[lusty trench]

Just remembered the main ezio commander is 5c, yeah that’d do it

Sure post list

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_xmen2EycEOcRwXSIH-XEA

I couldn’t think of a funny name

It’s not the end of the world that it’s over budget, it’s not much over anyway

Besides land base, what do you think?

[lusty trench]

A bit confused on the French vanilla’s when theres changlings but ig you wanted to be pure assassin, if you wanna save $8 you can cut kindred dominance and put in a cheap wrath effect, I get it’s not one sided but assassins is a very evasive deck to run that it’s not usually opponent blockers stopping the win

[gritty nest]

True, you’re not wrong

[trail anvil]

this goes really nice in the frog draft archetype

[copper pecan]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MqvRxOrdmpBqFvG34_gw3ZHwOlu8_RvWm7yAksD0OBY/%3Fwidth%3D549%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df1107abbaf78a5a834508966f44537e7f289192a/https/preview.redd.it/2a8zpz1h1scd1.jpeg?format=webp&width=475&height=662

ability convoke is finally real

[zinc shard]

Whoa that's busted-
"Activate only as a sorcery"
Nevermind

[trail anvil]

I think it's still a very solid uncommon pick tbh

[gritty nest]

I don’t remember if this was shared here

[trail anvil]

it was, but this is a really good card

[gritty nest]

I like it

[sudden lava]

it was, but yeah pathwork is the lord of all rocks ❤️

[glad peak]

I don’t like it in any format other than low powered standard and limited

And I’m not sure how prevalent tribal will be in standard

[trail anvil]

I think I'd squeeze it into some tribals in edh?

[sudden lava]

If I get one, I'll throw it in squirrels

[trail anvil]

god I kinda wanna make this work

[glad peak]

Standard got a jeskai ascendancy, a payoff, and a untapping pinger, no way the deck doesn’t work, right?

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DPvxGAOahkxhnKuUXS6xLY_C5TejY-YqXvu8wvkdXmM/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df17c1d9bb8f0d482aa01b539b0bcb2c83af491bc/https/preview.redd.it/blb-blacksmiths-talent-via-yystv-v0-vv63wg8q8tcd1.jpeg?format=webp&width=390&height=544

[copper pecan]

sword token real

[sudden lava]

if you play this at my pod, you have to draw your own sword

and upgrade it with each level up

[trail anvil]

I like how the enchantment makes all equipments better over time, very flavorful

level 3 is pretty nutso

I'm so glad they're developing cards for blink like this

this card is gonna be instant maindeck in standard, at least 1 copy

this is literally just hero's downfall with a very easy to achieve upside

[golden plover]

Where's the wolf calamity beast and Hugs' boyfriend? We still haven't seen the cards for either

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262790682397900910/image.png?ex=6697e0f8&is=66968f78&hm=305d562337b0d9a7563179b5fff7ccf7258e97c10c50ec00db2c8036656db822&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=571&height=544

[golden plover]

I like Keen-Eyed Curator

It's like a defense DRC for sideboards

It's probably better than [[Scavenging Ooze]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/309/scavenging-ooze

Scavenging Ooze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ooze
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a creature card, put a +1/+1 counter on Scavenging Ooze and you gain 1 life.
In nature, not a single bone or scrap of flesh goes to waste.
2/2

[golden plover]

Because it gets trample and 1 is a lot cheaper than G

I think it's probably format dependent which is the better option

But the raccoon has a strong argument

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Three-Tree-Mascot-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[trail anvil]

eh I think it's weird cause scavenging ooze is missing trample but also has lifegain attached

and it can grow endlessly

[golden plover]

It depends on the meta I think

There's formats where ooze is better

But a 7/7 trampler is a better body most of the time

And he grows off anything, not just creatures

[trail anvil]

I think you really wanna meet the exile threshold tho

and that does require multiple types

[golden plover]

Oh you definitely do

Like I said, it depends on the format

But 1 is also way cheaper than G

That goes for both btw

1G is an easier casting cost than GG

And 1 is a better cost to exile the card

[trail anvil]

it's certainly something

https://archidekt.com/decks/8421192/edh_sakashima_brinelin

decided to do a dumb deck based off of one card, and then it turned into me wanting to clone legendary artifacts

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1262816037334941797/GSn3xdwXMAADqOZ.png?ex=6697f895&is=6696a715&hm=33ea9d3087459a483e74601ca677db5180e51a49e6278f51983545a83bfb530b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386

karn's fursona is a tree

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262812520591130634/image.png?ex=6697f54e&is=6696a3ce&hm=3ece8e93d6d463354a94cb609c6c22d0715ae61ac8be517cd69a32ed64f54420&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=312

[glad peak]

Huh we got 2 Magda playable cards this set

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Gev-Scaled-Scorch-400x559.webp

[glad peak]

The artifact changelings reduce the cost needed for her combo and 1 of them even replaces elixir of immortality

[sudden lava]

oh livestream happening

BOP

(more posted but this is kinda spammy?)

[sudden lava]

Kwain is native to bloomburrow btw

[lusty trench]

Dear lord they made kwains eyes look terrifying

Good tef at rare

[twilit canyon]

secretary bird? maybe the most based magic art of all time

[hidden ermine]

Surprising choice

Makes sense colour-wise but Teferi didn't really give me secretary bird vibes

I'd have picked a parrot of some kind

[twilit canyon]

secretary birds are found in africa

prominent kind of bird too

[hidden ermine]

Ye but theyre portraying Teferi as smart but cocky again, which is very parrot-like yknow?

Eh, it works either way

[sudden lava]

toski special guest btw

[golden plover]

Wow they really did try with the flood gar's name

DEluge

[lusty trench]

Aminatous augury sidegrade?

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262832089783603251/image.png?ex=66980788&is=6696b608&hm=c0193640a0a0021e683a943b850d830afe2ee7f9a0b146b3ec563391546930d1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=974&height=544

expecting this to be Jeskai

[zinc shard]

Wait if Karn turned into a metal tree.. it's very possible the Phyrexians that invaded also turned into trees

[hidden ermine]

This seems potentially quite strong

[golden plover]

Oh the imagine cards are collectors booster only... Lame

[twilit canyon]

being a sorcery sucks

but past that it is neat in theory

[golden plover]

It'd be insane as an instant

It'd have to be like XUUU or XXU

Because 5 mana free omniscience or Emrakul or whatever at instant speed would be bonkers

[waxen timber]

Seems like a bad card except in like commander

[golden plover]

[[Animatou's Augury]] is 8 and it's been historically okay in commander

[lost widget]

No card found for “Animatou's Augury”

[golden plover]

[[Animatou's Augury]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Animatou's Augury”

[lusty trench]

Worth noting it hits less than augury

[golden plover]

Whatever

Yeah, this is slightly worse at times

[lusty trench]

[[aminatous augury]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/73/aminatous-augury

Aminatou's Augury <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile the top eight cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Until end of turn, for each nonland card type, you may cast a spell of that type from among the exiled cards without paying its mana cost.

[golden plover]

I think this is the first time this effect has been in a constructed format

So it'll be interesting to see if it's worth playing anywhere

Only getting to play 1 card is a big downside, but 5 mana blight steel is cute

[lusty trench]

I think the issue is if you want to hit big off this you’re sacrificing your early hard

[golden plover]

You're probably fully building around it and that means you're probably running some cards you can't realistically play

[lusty trench]

Otherwise it’s very inconsistent

[glad peak]

Where are these special art cards found?

[golden plover]

Collectors Booster only

[glad peak]

want sylvan tutor

[golden plover]

Special Guest can be found in Play Boosters like normal

But the imagine bonus sheet is collector boosters only

The Sylvan Tutor is a special guest card at least

[twilit canyon]

all the courageous critters are coming to arena

the face commanders of this set wont

[golden plover]

Did they say that somewhere?

Wouldn't have expected it considering stuff like Partner is on the cards

[twilit canyon]

ian told us directly

[golden plover]

Although that's also gonna be a TON of rare/mythic wildcards if you need to craft them

Gotcha

[golden plover]

Makes sense

I guess the relevant ones are JtMS, BoP, and Baleful Strix, right?

[twilit canyon]

just bop and strix

jace is

a card

you can play it

it wont be good

[golden plover]

I mean, some Legacy decks are still on 1-2

[twilit canyon]

yes but said legacy players are confused as to why they keep losing to rescaminator

[trail anvil]

you ever see a potential lethal to a mana crypt roll from 24 life?

[last glen]

Do we play Patchwork Banner in Pioneer Dinosaurs?

[trail anvil]

jesus the crab looks really nice for an uncommon

you can't use it to trade out a creature but you basically stop an attack anyways

[golden plover]

That crab is crazy for an uncommon

Huge in draft

[granite badge]

draft allstar for sure

[golden plover]

Both uncommon calamity beasts look crazy good for draft tbh

I think we force Izzet goodstuff here if we can't find a tribal

[sleek ferry]

Legacy players are bad at the game, more news at 12

[trail anvil]

https://i.imgur.com/24ItZyU.png

this seems insane to me

even just the fish mode is already a blocker. you can generate all kinds of advantage if you stall out

[sleek ferry]

If you squint, it’s mirrex

[zinc shard]

Pay 4 mana, make 1 Mana. Stonks

[sleek ferry]

I mean unironically that’s fine in control

[zinc shard]

ye card's good

[twilit canyon]

pay 1 life kills it for control

its not a viable token generator

[golden plover]

I mean, 1 life isn't the end of the world

And it does color fixing and draw

I wouldn't be surprised to see it in lists

[twilit canyon]

it is

it doesnt color fix on etb

it isnt a wincon

as long as mirrex exists, its not a viable card

[trail anvil]

ig it does overlap as an anti-control land with mirrex

mirrex producing poison, this giving actual advantage

[golden plover]

I think the difference is that the tokens can block

[twilit canyon]

but you lose a life

[golden plover]

Paying 1 to chump a big threat is worth it

[twilit canyon]

you may as well not block or if your life low, it wont matter

[golden plover]

If my choice is 1 or 5, 1 wins out

[twilit canyon]

these tokens also have no anti-evasion

no flying

no big butt to block tramplers

[golden plover]

Yeah, they don't help against trample, but mirrex doesn't either

Against a regular guy in the ground, they save you some damage

[trail anvil]

[[monstrous rage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/142/monstrous-rage

Monstrous Rage <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. Create a Monster Role token attached to it. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.)
"My, what big paws y—" —Thomas the woodsman, last words

[trail anvil]

this isn't rotating fwiw

[twilit canyon]

decks dont really win like this anymore

boros is swinging 20 guys

esper is 90% in the air

the midrange decks are outvaluing you

decks turning sideways have way too many ways to just circumvent your ground blockers. its why mirrex took off. it can be fixing at the turn, and a wincon that doesnt care about the enemy life total

[sudden lava]

Question, have we seen the card in the set that mentions squirrels 4 times yet?

[trail anvil]

is esper a thing without ms. fat booty?

[twilit canyon]

did you think she's rotating?

raffine is here

[trail anvil]

wait is she not? I could've sworn SNC was

[twilit canyon]

in spirit

[trail anvil]

ah so she sacrifices herself when targeted /s

[twilit canyon]

lol

but tbh preacher of the schism is a better raffine rn

bc its just as unblockable and even more annoying on its own

non-legendary, deathtouch, makes bodies and draws cards

the big esper loss is dennick

[trail anvil]

what's thalia, DMU?

[twilit canyon]

thalia is gone too

but thalia isnt as needed and she got in the way of your own deck

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-orzhov-midrange-mid#paper

think a list like this that loses very little and gains a ton

max out on broncos and virtues

max out preachers

wedding lost can suck a bit but the play may be to go green

[trail anvil]

I mean I guess we do have more dual lands than usual

[twilit canyon]

i may go sultai cus we really do have some good mana

and i think green will be the play

[trail anvil]

with the bronco package?

[twilit canyon]

gb at least

ye

4 broncos, 4 mosswoods

2-3 glissas

frillback, shelly, aclazotz

gix, virtue

[trail anvil]

I mean that is a very much vetted archetype, those all sound good. what's the blue for?

[last glen]

wait hang on
is this... free?

[trail anvil]

free as in?

[last glen]

does it not have a mana cost
am I blind

oh it's a land

[trail anvil]

I think a little

[last glen]

I am bkind

damn I thought that was a crazy artifact for a moment

[twilit canyon]

i'll think about it

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLnwKlNy-tM&ab_channel=GoodMorningMagic

fofspring, typo

[twilit canyon]

i thought about it. i think oko finally has time to shine

[trail anvil]

I'm not sure I vibe with that lol

[twilit canyon]

so heres my line of thinking about it. actually let me hop on arena i should have the cards for this in theory

[trail anvil]

glissa is legendary, dreadknight is underwhelming. bronco is good, frillback does nothing, trespasser is okay

[twilit canyon]

trespasser is gone by next set

[trail anvil]

oh so it is

[twilit canyon]

frillback is one of the best cards ever btw

[trail anvil]

even if it was the etb won't trigger again

shelly is also legendary

[twilit canyon]

nah ur thinking too small with oko here

[trail anvil]

gift an extra turn is wild btw

maybe I am but I'd need to see what he could copy that isn't bronco

and bronco needs to saddle something or you're nuking yourself

[twilit canyon]

the big synergy is [[preacher of the schism]] as always

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/113/preacher-of-the-schism

Preacher of the Schism <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Cleric
Deathtouch
Whenever Preacher of the Schism attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, create a 1/1 white Vampire creature token with lifelink.
Whenever Preacher of the Schism attacks while you have the most life or are tied for most life, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
2/4

[twilit canyon]

but caustic bronco too

man i only got one oko

meh i'll see come fall if i craft a 2nd or 3rd

[sudden lava]

we also got some reprint art

but no name attached to art so that we can guess them

[trail anvil]

I get preacher, I get bronco, but I feel like you want more creatures if you're gonna be playing neo oko

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262913009425055794/image.png?ex=669852e5&is=66970165&hm=2bb5bc8cdbf7ca07cdcafba78398e7d3352e51e3aef67d446d3dc434d88c58c6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=370

[sleek ferry]

I saw oko pop up in 1 deck in diamond 1

[sudden lava]

Swords to plowshare?

[sleek ferry]

Seemed pretty bad though

[trail anvil]

probably

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262913118070378626/image.png?ex=669852ff&is=6697017f&hm=9fc734f377177d4bb03367e8a190d72387dc2157dac430ac8f00c1c876ee85b7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=951&height=544

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262913194805035008/image.png?ex=66985311&is=66970191&hm=357f17aca39beba1a97792c0cc615a28af7417db5d290ed129d5ff1327882f6a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=960&height=532

[sleek ferry]

It was like sultai super friends iirc

[trail anvil]

I've seen various people try to cook with oko and I feel underwhelmed by him most of the time I feel like idk

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262913279211212850/image.png?ex=66985325&is=669701a5&hm=562f2a76288b3b4d28f936f325e100caa1d137648032301314e08b400495680a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=372

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1262913364376551554/image.png?ex=66985339&is=669701b9&hm=30788b6c8abaa64ac430eb8dd6f8d4fbf45dc45870fc66e47234fd95045de858&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=972&height=544

[sleek ferry]

Oko himself is fine

[sudden lava]

The last one I have zero clue

[sleek ferry]

He just has no home

[sudden lava]

what reprint do you all think it is?

[trail anvil]

that's why I feel underwhelmed by him lol

[twilit canyon]

correct

[trail anvil]

people try to stuff him into shit but I feel like he needs a genuine synergy to be justified

[twilit canyon]

we also dont generally play enough attack support

creatures that get the value from attacks get a ton more value from oko

[trail anvil]

which is funny from the set that had felix five boots in its commander deck

[twilit canyon]

thinking sentinel of the nameless city for instance

or the mkm lazav

[trail anvil]

ironically he actually kinda pairs with his son lmao, but that'd be bant

[[subterranean schooner]] maybe this?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/80/subterranean-schooner

Subterranean Schooner <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Vehicle
Whenever Subterranean Schooner attacks, target creature that crewed it this turn explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
Crew 1
3/4

[twilit canyon]

schooner itself is awkward with bronco

we'd also wait for the full list from bloomburrow

[gritty nest]

The background looks familiar and I can’t place it

[twilit canyon]

though i think 90% of the set will be super shit

[gritty nest]

Why did it reply to that

[gritty nest]

This is what I selected to reply to

[sleek ferry]

Schooner wouldn’t go in that deck

Schooner is solid in like izzet artifacts

[trail anvil]

I mean I can't say whether I would agree or not cause I haven't seen 70% of it so lol

I think there are already some cards revealed that'll be meta tho

[sleek ferry]

Maybe we do jeskai artifacts even

[gritty nest]

Kykar Jeskai artifacts

[trail anvil]

schooner wouldn't go in oko sultai, but I think it'd go well in bat sultai

[twilit canyon]

ehhhhhhh

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

maybe rotation helps enough

but idk

[gritty nest]

Actually you guys are talking about standard right?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[gritty nest]

Yea sorry lol

[twilit canyon]

outside of fabled passae

*passage

[trail anvil]

well yeah that's a very obvious shoe-in

[twilit canyon]

which i honestly dont know how likely it will be it sees play with how good our lands are

[trail anvil]

I mean didn't it come in when we still had shocks or am I misremembering

[twilit canyon]

we are losing the overall worst lands in the meta for most decks only

[twilit canyon]

right but temples existed

and played at the time

thats how bad lands were

rn i think i'd struggle to play fabled

[trail anvil]

we had shocks and check lands

[twilit canyon]

yeah and besides shocks

[trail anvil]

or wait no

[twilit canyon]

wait no

[trail anvil]

checks rotated at that point ig

[twilit canyon]

it was just shocks

[gritty nest]

What sets are legal in standard currently?

[twilit canyon]

yep

rn we have painlands

[trail anvil]

innistrad onwards

[twilit canyon]

fast lands

surveil lands

creature lands

a boatload of utility lands

[gritty nest]

Innistrad? I thought that set was ancient

[trail anvil]

worth noting surveil and creature lands are always tapped tho fwiw

[twilit canyon]

innistrad midnight hunt

[golden plover]

Are there any better fetches in standard than Fabled?

[twilit canyon]

why do you need a fetch?

[gritty nest]

Huh, the more you know

[golden plover]

Stuff like Domain

[twilit canyon]

the surveil and creature lands offer way more power

[trail anvil]

there's no fuckin way people are coping on domain after triomes rotate

[twilit canyon]

triomes rotate yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah I can't see Domain being as good

[twilit canyon]

domain isnt gonna do shit

[trail anvil]

I know we have surveil lands but that dumps the consistency in the fuckin gutter

[twilit canyon]

surveils are also really really powerful for most decks

[sleek ferry]

Domain is donezo, cya bozo

[gritty nest]

Domain is controlling different land types right?

[golden plover]

God it's crazy to me that SNC is still in standard

[sleek ferry]

Yes

[twilit canyon]

damn

okay

i genuinely see like

[gritty nest]

If so that shit is gonna not work without triomes

[twilit canyon]

2-3 cards i think could see play in the whole set

this set is so shit so far

[sleek ferry]

Tbf also, half the meta is legit mono red rn, or at least that’s how it feels

[trail anvil]

was this posted here yet

[trail anvil]

are you playing bo1

[twilit canyon]

this card almost i feel can see play

[gritty nest]

Why do I feel this is pretty decent

[sleek ferry]

I switch depending on how I’m feeling

[twilit canyon]

but standard isnt built for this card

[gritty nest]

Does the gift mechanic kill some cards for 1v1?

[twilit canyon]

absolutely

burn appreciates blooming blast

[trail anvil]

depends on the card I think

[twilit canyon]

but even there

its a sideboard card

and, in most scenarios, will be worse than searing blood

[trail anvil]

it's kinda unfortunate when this standard has thicc creatures even in monored lmao

[sleek ferry]

What’s the 2 drop from the big score that gives your opponent a tapped treasure and deals damage to your opponent based on the amount of artifacts they control?

[golden plover]

I feel like there's a lot of sleeper cards in this set tbh

[twilit canyon]

iridescent vinelasher is a commander card

[trail anvil]

oh you mean the 2 drop with menace

[gritty nest]

~~Thankfully Nadu is not standard legal ~~

[golden plover]

Like there's definitely a few cards I think can see standard play, and a few that look like they're gonna be sleeper for a bit

[twilit canyon]

mockingbird is also a commander card

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I’ve seen some people cooking with him and the other Magda

[twilit canyon]

they will be sleeper for at least a year

until the bad woman rotates

[gritty nest]

I have to say, as much as I like commander, I hate how it feels everything is designed commander first

[golden plover]

Mockingbird is the best rate on that effect we've seen in forever, no?

[twilit canyon]

meh

its meh still

[trail anvil]

I've seen that too ig

[twilit canyon]

the value of it is just

entirely whatever atm

[golden plover]

The Tarkir one saw standard play at the time

[trail anvil]

I'm still not sold on new magda, I feel like she pops off if you go unchecked but you just don't lol

[twilit canyon]

yeah but that was like actually 7 years ago

[gritty nest]

The outlaws Magda right?

[trail anvil]

ya

[twilit canyon]

more

actually

[trail anvil]

I still think this is seeing play at the very least as a 1-of in black decks

[golden plover]

Portent of Calamity feels like a card that's gonna be in people's blind spots for like half a year

[twilit canyon]

it'll depend

we do have bitter triumph

[golden plover]

Until it enables a combo deck in some format that leads to something wacky

[gritty nest]

~~I kinda like this for my food deck ~~

[golden plover]

Since Portent is "Show and Tell at home"

[trail anvil]

bitter triumph being 3 life is a genuine concern sometimes

the discard is doable but I think I'd test between these two at the very least

[golden plover]

I'm also still convinced [[Emberheart Challenger]] is getting slept on

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/133/emberheart-challenger

Emberheart Challenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Mouse Warrior
Haste
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Valiant — Whenever Emberheart Challenger becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/2

[golden plover]

Card comes close to the best prowess creature of all time

[trail anvil]

I'm still coping hard on [[rottenmouth viper]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/107/rottenmouth-viper

Rottenmouth Viper <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Elemental Snake
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of nonland permanents. This spell costs less to cast for each permanent sacrificed this way.
Whenever Rottenmouth Viper enters or attacks, put a blight counter on it. Then for each blight counter on it, each opponent loses 4 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card.
6/6

[golden plover]

And close to Swiftspear is a good place to be

[twilit canyon]

its not even close to swiftspear

[trail anvil]

there's zero way this doesn't see play somewhere in the meta, at the very least within the first week-month

[twilit canyon]

its not even the 2nd best prowess creature

[trail anvil]

it's not swiftspear

[golden plover]

Rottenmout reads pretty solid to me

[twilit canyon]

viper should see some play

[trail anvil]

the biggest problem with rottenmouth is losing that 1-drop vampire

[golden plover]

The better comparison for emberheart is definitely abbot of kell keep

[twilit canyon]

that said i think its also somewhat shit

[golden plover]

And Abbot was also a card that saw a lot of play at times

[twilit canyon]

there will be too many times it cant turn sideways

[trail anvil]

my idea was playing it in a similar function to shelly where it closes out games

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah we’re losing topiary stomper sigh

[trail anvil]

its ass is enormous, even big enough to block monstrous rage creatures

[twilit canyon]

why are u sighing

thats good

[golden plover]

Lowkey, I think Hug's bf is a card that's constructed playable

[[Gev, Scaled Scorch]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/214/gev-scaled-scorch

Gev, Scaled Scorch <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Mercenary
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Other creatures you control enter with an additional +1/+1 counter on them for each opponent who lost life this turn.
Whenever you cast a Lizard spell, Gev, Scaled Scorch deals 1 damage to target opponent.
3/2

[twilit canyon]

meh

depends

[trail anvil]

only if lizards are imo

[golden plover]

For 2 mana, that's a very solid baseline for an aggresive rakdos guy

[twilit canyon]

yeah

thats just

a lizard lord

in a roundabout way

[trail anvil]

if lizards are playable this dude is core

[twilit canyon]

i wish it had menace

[golden plover]

I mean, isn't [[Laughing Jasper Flint]] already seeing play?

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/215/laughing-jasper-flint

Laughing Jasper Flint <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Rogue
Creatures you control but don't own are Mercenaries in addition to their other types.
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top X cards of target opponent's library, where X is the number of outlaws you control. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those cards, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells.
4/3

[trail anvil]

I think menace is crazy lol

[golden plover]

Dude curves into Jasper

[trail anvil]

I mean maybe if you're coping

[golden plover]

He's also an outlaw for Jasper

And he commits a crime

[trail anvil]

I've never seen outlaws actually in constructed play

[sleek ferry]

I saw them once

[golden plover]

I don't think Outlaws is the move

[gritty nest]

This dude is nasty

[golden plover]

But I think Gev is a potentially strong card in the right deck

[gritty nest]

But I love that effect

[sleek ferry]

People rather play skeletons as a tribal deck than outlaws

[twilit canyon]

even alchemy which has a meta deck around outlaws and playing cards your opponent owns

does not play laughing jasper

[sleek ferry]

But that enchantment skeletons have is infuriating so I don’t blame them

[twilit canyon]

alchemy got a whole ass 1 mana card that does what he wants

[sleek ferry]

That + gisa

[twilit canyon]

he does what the deck wants

[trail anvil]

you aren't really focusing on stealing synergies tho as much as you are heist right lmao

[twilit canyon]

he doesnt see play

[lusty trench]

"nah, I'd laugh" -jasper probably

[trail anvil]

jasper flint is just a 4fun commander really

[golden plover]

If mice end up playable, [[Mabel, Heir to]] is a good card for that deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/224/mabel-heir-to-cragflame

Mabel, Heir to Cragflame <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Mouse Soldier
Other Mice you control get +1/+1.
When Mabel, Heir to Cragflame enters, create Cragflame, a legendary colorless Equipment artifact token with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has vigilance, trample, and haste" and equip .
3/3

[trail anvil]

[[into the flood maw]] thoughts on this to replace the cheap bounce spell rotating out I can't remember the name of?

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/52/into-the-flood-maw

Into the Flood Maw <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Gift a tapped Fish (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they create a tapped 1/1 blue Fish creature token before its other effects.)
Return target creature an opponent controls to its owner's hand. If the gift was promised, instead return target nonland permanent an opponent controls to its owner's hand.

[trail anvil]

I even remember the flavor text

[twilit canyon]

i think [[vren the relentless]] has a chance to see play

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/239/vren-the-relentless

Vren, the Relentless <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Rat Rogue
Ward
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
At the beginning of each end step, create X 1/1 black Rat creature tokens with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each other Rat you control," where X is the number of creatures your opponents controlled that were exiled this turn.
3/4

[sleek ferry]

Bloomburrow is begging to be the return of embercleave high key

[twilit canyon]

unfortunately for vren sheoldred exists

honestly

even talion

[golden plover]

I was thinking Vren is more than playable in sideboards

[twilit canyon]

exists

[trail anvil]

that's kind of a nuts curve topper tho

gets out of hand going wide

[twilit canyon]

i think its playable in table 500

[golden plover]

I think [[Keen-Eyed Curator]] is probably gonna be a card that pops up in sideboards in a lot of formats in the future

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/181/keen-eyed-curator

Keen-Eyed Curator <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Raccoon Scout
As long as there are four or more card types among cards exiled with Keen-Eyed Curator, it gets +4/+4 and has trample.
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
"Now this one's a real collector's item. They say Lily Emberseed herself drank from this mug when she was still Lily of Valley."
3/3

[golden plover]

Depends on the meta, but I think it's a very strong sidegrade to Scooze

[twilit canyon]

depends

cus double green sucks

[golden plover]

Yeah GG is tough

[sleek ferry]

You wouldn’t play this outside of mono green

[twilit canyon]

there is also no immediate power gain

[sleek ferry]

Maybe a 2 color deck might want it

[golden plover]

But 1 is much nicer than G for the exile

[sleek ferry]

But double green is a lot

[golden plover]

And the topend feels better than Scooze

[trail anvil]

I think meeting the threshold is just hard too

[golden plover]

Since a 7/7 Trampler is gonna be more game-ending

Depends on the format

[trail anvil]

and if you're only using it as gy hate then [[agatha's soul cauldron]] is probably better?

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/242/agathas-soul-cauldron

Agatha's Soul Cauldron <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.

[lusty trench]

What an odd group of reprints

[golden plover]

In timeless, that threshold can be live as early as like t4

[sleek ferry]

Focusing on the 7/7 part is a mistake, as you’re not getting there most games

[twilit canyon]

cauldron is broken yes

[golden plover]

Eat a fetch, bauble, creature, and a sorcery

[twilit canyon]

you arent playing it in timeless

[sleek ferry]

But a 2 mana 3/3 that is gy hate is good

[trail anvil]

wait that's not the commander set?

[twilit canyon]

no its a starter deck

[trail anvil]

oh that makes more sense

[golden plover]

It also survives a non-delirious Unholy Heat

[twilit canyon]

read

[trail anvil]

it's okay? I m ean like

[twilit canyon]

the threshol dmore carefully

cus thats not how that works

[golden plover]

What? It needs 4 card types

[trail anvil]

even in a creature deck I think I want cauldron

[golden plover]

Creature, Artifact, Land, Sorcery

[twilit canyon]

exiled under it

[golden plover]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[twilit canyon]

im not paying 6 mana for a 7/7 trampler

[golden plover]

It's not gonna be live super often

[sleek ferry]

I’ve seen people doing some cute stuff with cauldron and siege engine

[twilit canyon]

and in a deck where you care about the grave hate

[sleek ferry]

But then they played training grounds and then I realized it was some cope shit

[twilit canyon]

you dont want to spend it on non-essentials

[golden plover]

You're paying the mana for a 3/3 that hates the graveyard

[twilit canyon]

or pay mana for the effect

[trail anvil]

that was a fun combo deck

[twilit canyon]

you're casting surgical extraction

rest in peace

[golden plover]

And then you're sinking mana into it and it just so happens to get bigger off it

[lusty trench]

Is the whole set revealed now or do we have one more day of reveals

[golden plover]

It also turns off their delirium sometimes

[twilit canyon]

you know whats a better comparison and another big reason it wont see timeless play is [[emperor of bones]]

[golden plover]

I think it's a sideboard card

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/90/emperor-of-bones

Emperor of Bones <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Skeleton Noble
At the beginning of combat on your turn, exile up to one target card from a graveyard.
: Adapt 2.
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Emperor of Bones, put a creature card exiled with Emperor of Bones onto the battlefield under your control with a finality counter on it. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
2/2

[golden plover]

But it's basically scavenging ooze

[trail anvil]

wait do we only have 1 more day? I could've sworn we had a ton of the set to get through

[sudden lava]

It's not, we dont have the reprints for the precons yet

[twilit canyon]

scooze is unfortunately unplayable

[golden plover]

And that card has historically been decent in sides

[twilit canyon]

its no longer playable

i should say

[sleek ferry]

I really dk what I’m going to play in standard post rotation, both my decks are losing a decent amount

[lusty trench]

Main set finishes tomorrow and commander the next day iirc

[sudden lava]

tomorrow is the last day for main set
day after is commander

[trail anvil]

oof

[twilit canyon]

god im so ready to be done with bloomburrow nothing here seems good or exciting so far

[trail anvil]

okay I don't think lizards are gonna be standard playable lol

[twilit canyon]

yeah

literally a massive let down

[twilit canyon]

frogs sucked

lizards sucked

bats sucked

otters

suck somewhat

[lusty trench]

Raccoons suck

[twilit canyon]

birds are whatever

raccoons suck

[trail anvil]

I actually agree with misty for once, I think this is a straight-to-commander set. I'm usually the one defending sets saying how much they contributed to standard too lol

[twilit canyon]

i saw someone had mentioned on another server how this set will be a total let down

bc they will not properly support the tribes to be played in standard

and they were right

[lusty trench]

This feels very much like the net was cast too wide

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/i-regret-nothing-funny-animals-squirrel-gif-14688451

[lusty trench]

There's too many creature types to support

[twilit canyon]

squirrels are the hot garbage coming in too

[golden plover]

Ohh wait I forgot about [[Ygra]]

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Multiple cards match “Ygra”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

walk in, contribute nothing, leaves

[golden plover]

[[Ygra, Eater of All]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/241/ygra-eater-of-all

Ygra, Eater of All <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Cat
Ward—Sacrifice a Food.
Other creatures are Food artifacts in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this permanent: You gain 3 life."
Whenever a Food is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on Ygra, Eater of All.
6/6

[sleek ferry]

It’s an exciting set if you like green in standard probably

[golden plover]

I think there's a home for this in some form of Jund sacc

[twilit canyon]

mehhh

idk

[sleek ferry]

But I’m cool with a lower powered set after otj and mh3

[twilit canyon]

i think there is an interesting synergy in making all creatures artifacts

but its 5 mana

[golden plover]

Or maybe to do a lattice impression in formats where Lattice is gone

[sudden lava]

This set is gonna have me keep coming back for new commanders to build

[golden plover]

You can do Karn Ygra in Modern and do a bad lattice impression there

[twilit canyon]

its too much mana and too fair

[golden plover]

Karn is deservingly gone from Pioneer so you can't do it there

[lusty trench]

I want to build the raccoon guy in the main set, but the raccoons to go with them are so shit that I can't

[trail anvil]

the only good thing about this thing to me is that it goes infinite with 2 cauldron familiars, otherwise I really don't see the point

[golden plover]

But actually this wins you the game in Pioneer

Rakdos sacc already runs the cat

[trail anvil]

maybe there's some other loop with the halfling in lotr that sacs food to draw but like

[golden plover]

You can just splash green for CoCo and Ygra

[lusty trench]

[[muerra]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/227/muerra-trash-tactician

Muerra, Trash Tactician <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Raccoon Warrior
At the beginning of your first main phase, add or for each Raccoon you control.
Whenever you expend 4, you gain 3 life. (You expend 4 as you spend your fourth total mana to cast spells during a turn.)
Whenever you expend 8, exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
2/4

[trail anvil]

like misty said this is way too much mana

[lusty trench]

This is really neat I like this

But raccoons are just so awful this set

[golden plover]

I feel like Expend needed better payoffs

[lusty trench]

They're always such minor bonuses

Meanwhile otters can get bonuses much bigger for casting a cantrip and they still aren't great either

[twilit canyon]

magic players discover prowess isnt really a big deal

[sleek ferry]

This is actually not terrible, issue is always that gruul had very little ways to protect their stuff, and this standard is so packed with removal

[trail anvil]

yeah otters seem like the most playable and that's not saying much at all

[golden plover]

I feel like the blue mythic otter is also gonna be nice in the right home

She does a TON for 2 mana

Copies spells and loots

[trail anvil]

her home is inside stella lee as a backup commander

[golden plover]

I just dunno if there's some form of spellslinger anywhere that really wants her

But she's a neat card in theory

[sleek ferry]

Anyways I need to replace 8 slots + 4 land slots here post rotation, which leads me to believe this deck is unplayable post rotation

[trail anvil]

well yeah prolly

that said you do still have a bunch of powerful cards

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but losing wedding announcement is too huge

[twilit canyon]

tbh most of the cards in this deck werent really that good in control to begin with

[sleek ferry]

I don’t consider this control in the traditional sense Tbf, I consider this tempo that can lean into a control playstyle

If you have to

[trail anvil]

I feel like boros seems pretty undersupported as far as targeting cards btw?

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been asking for non aggro boros support for like 2-3 sets

We’re not getting it

[trail anvil]

I mean more specific to the set, I see like 1 aura and no equipment in the colors

maybe we'll get it tomorrow but I'm used to getting draft chaff on the last day

[sleek ferry]

I need more for mirrodin equipments in boros colors

So I can go back to using my baby

[trail anvil]

oh my bad there is an equipment but it makes you lose flying

[twilit canyon]

phlage?

[sleek ferry]

I legitly might just play some green or gruul variant post bloomburrow

Samut isn’t rotating right?

[twilit canyon]

nope

[sleek ferry]

Meant for standard, not good format modern

[twilit canyon]

oh fair

[sleek ferry]

I see green and golgari as probably the only winners in bloomburrow tbh, but golgari was already good, and idk if they even play any of the new cards

Maybe, the bad version of golgari that plays the plant enchantment

[golden plover]

Even if bloomburrow is a dud tbh, it can't be worse than MKM

[twilit canyon]

hah

you say that

but at least mkm had the surveil lands

[golden plover]

Yeah true. They were kinda the only good thing from that entire set

[trail anvil]

at least mkm had a new deck for standard too in analyst

actually I take that back, big score gave us karnstruct machine

[sleek ferry]

What is the land cycle in bloomburrow btw

Have we gotten that?

Yeah I might just shift to uw artifacts, but that deck is so fragile

[sudden lava]

we got that a while back

[twilit canyon]

its some uber shit land cycle