I'm sitting here like "do I really need a dockside" and the answer is obviously yes but damn does concept art emrakul look sexy
#Magic the Gathering
lusty trench
rigid scarab
I sold my MH3 fetches 
stark skiff
I sold my MH3 fetches <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Rich 
rigid scarab
YOU bought mh3?
I've been hiding this information from you all for a thousand years
stark skiff
I've been hiding this information from you all for a thousand years
Wao kid I always knew I was the poor one here
atomic harness
Word
urban crane
Wao kid I always knew I was the poor one here
How many collector booster boxes you buy?
urban crane
That’s still quite a few money’s though
urban crane
Yeah sold most or traded most of my pulls aswell
Got some really nice things in return
atomic harness
Proud of you kids
urban crane
Yeah managed to trade for a esper sentinel and mana drain and sold few other things but kept the rest
atomic harness
esper sentinel 
urban crane
Yeah got people paying the one now
golden plover
Card is already down to $55
I'd expect it to drop to like $25 in a week when people realize it's not good
lusty trench
golden plover
Had a dude on Boros aggro try and play it and the two medallions he drafted this weekend and was surprised he lost every game
golden plover
That was to be expected
lusty trench
Thank fuck it's ugly
golden plover
They're definitely trying to get people to dip 3-4 times to get a Miku commander deck
Better offerings in this one than the last at least
lusty trench
Issue with that is the cards chosen are so incoherent
golden plover
That and there's 0 value
Chord is $4
The rest of the lair is sub $1
The sol ring will have value because they always do
But this is like $8 in cards
Although notably, it's the first non Noah Bradley art for [[Song of Creation]]
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golden plover
Also thematically, [[Child of Alara]] is a weird pick for her, right?
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urban crane
What’s everyone’s favorite commander deck?
glad peak
Najeela food chain, just have 5 warriors while attacking 
golden plover
I love [[Elsha of the Infinite]]
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golden plover
Card does DUMB things
twilit canyon
[[ukkima]]
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[[Shiri shizo]]
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[[Shizo's caretaker]]
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Value engines galore
sudden lava
golden plover
Again, why can't they all have anime artists work on them
The two that do look good
But that tutor and sol ring look awful
This is terrifying
OH MY GOD
@lusty trench
WHAT THE FUCK
She looks like a fallout ghoul
Holy shit
Once again, this is a very talented artist too
This is just not their style
Wait they did this piece
How did the art director have them do... That
lusty trench
It’s not even that the piece is bad as a whole it’s entirely the face
Maybe the people who allowed the miku collab rejected art with smaller eyes or mouths?
golden plover
It's weird they didn't just get anime artists to do it
glad peak
Song of creation looks pretty good, the others are… interesting
Child of alara can be good, the pics I’ve seen are grainy so can’t tell
golden plover
Child of alara can be good, the pics I’ve seen are grainy so can’t tell
Child looks fine-good
glad peak
Ok that’s pretty
golden plover
The ones in the actual anime style look good
glad peak
I like that one
golden plover
It's the weird 3 where they're getting fantasy artists to do anime art that look awful
granite badge
word
fallow citrus
mtg is always on the short end with anime cards lmao
everyone complains about them when they get made and then when they make them they don't do them right
golden plover
True, but if they're gonna commit they shouldn't have half assed it lmao
stark skiff
https://youtu.be/vo2PYLXagKQ
lol Kibler and Hill surprised me. The boos and yays sections were hilarious.
gritty nest
What basics should I do for 5* color eldrazi? I run 1 of each basic, waste included
trail anvil
tbh that sounds fine as-is unless you want to run a bunch of basic land searchers
but the fact that it's a 5c deck probably means you aren't
finally won a game by storming off, thousand-year storm my beloved
gritty nest
I mean what art
trail anvil
oh, mh3 full art lands for an eldrazi deck then
or if you don't wanna theme it, the shadowbox full art lands from wilds of eldraine fuck hard
gritty nest
oh, mh3 full art lands for an eldrazi deck then <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
I would if the only full art wastes were not snow wastes. Seems kinda odd imo
gritty nest
Exactly
stark skiff
I mean what art
Fallout Wastes best Wastes
trail anvil
also damn didn't realize mh3 is out on arena tomorrow, thought it'd be later 👀
gritty nest
Fallout Wastes best Wastes
What about the other lands?
gritty nest
I’m not using that
trail anvil
man doming someone with aetherflux reservoir in commander as a lifegain deck is satisfying
golden plover
Crazy good art SLD but the value is DOGSHIT
Outside of [[Coat of Arms]], they're all sub $1 cards
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golden plover
Still like a $0.07 card
trail anvil
I never really understood this with secret lairs cause are you really just buying them to resell them and not buying them cause you want the art
golden plover
Nah, it's not that you're buying them to resell, but a lot of the older lairs had the expectation you'd get roughly the value you paid in cards
Most of the lairs from like 2 years ago - last year were roughly $30ish in cards
trail anvil
aren't a lot of secret lair prices still a lot larger than the original printing anyways
golden plover
But most of the ones this year have been sub $15
Depends on how iconic the card is and if it sees play anywhere
The Elves of Deep Shadow will probably settle at like $5ish
And the Shivan Dragon will settle at like more than the regular (it's a $0.05 rare in DMR)
But I don't see the unicorn being anything more than a dollar
lusty trench
Them making that dragon a shivian dragon hurts
trail anvil
tbh shivan dragon seems like a really weird choice to me in general, I don't think it goes anywhere?
lusty trench
Make it atsushi or something
It's just a nostalgia pick
Like Serra angel in the John Avon lair
golden plover
Shivan Dragon has also been in like 5 SLs recently
trail anvil
unless you wanna run it with garth one-eye but only having one card like that sounds rough lol
golden plover
Like Serra angel in the John Avon lair
According to the artists, they have a list of cards they have to draw and ones they can pick from
So WOTC probably threw in the Shivan Dragon so it couldn't be too many good cards in the lair
But yeah, this will be Shivan Dragon's FIFTH secret lair print
The serialized one is convention exclusive and the Japanese one is Japan exclusive
lusty trench
WHY IS THE LAST ONE SHIVAN
golden plover
But the card has been printed in 4 "Secret Lairs" prior
golden plover
It's a solid addition to a lair so they can't be too much value but people see it and go "oh I know that card"
Very much a collector targeted card
Good Fortune Unicorn is criminal tho
No one wants that card
Like I get [[Emiel the Blessed]] would have been too much value
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golden plover
Oh wait this is $3
lusty trench
Yeah but it’s a mythic they like to add for filler
trail anvil
wait this is possible? nice
sleek ferry
What is, double rare packs?
trail anvil
yeah, I thought that only happened when you had a bonus sheet
sleek ferry
The set is huge so I’m not surprised
trail anvil
wait is this common? I just got another one o_o
sleek ferry
And they technically do have the mh2 special guests
golden plover
It's because of reprint slot if they're trying to replicate paper
Paper packs come with a reprint slot guaranteed, that can be anything from common to mythic
trail anvil
apparently it goes up to triple with special guest stuff lol
twilit canyon
yeah this set is big for packs
they fixed the issue that mkm and otj had with the special sheet
which is good
fallow citrus
god this looks so nice
twilit canyon
man
i ws starting to put together a ton of eldrazi cards like the ug list we tested in modern
but we are really missing quite a bit
sleek ferry
Can we do energy though?
twilit canyon
no
fallow citrus
lusty trench
I'm gonna draft mh3 on Friday but I'm worried everyone is gonna draft white
rigid scarab
Some profoundly stupid comments on this one
Majority people who probably didn't watch the full thing
lusty trench
Average pleasent Kenobi video discussion
rigid scarab
So we got
"So you want no proxies tournaments??? Everyone has to go buy Mox Diamonds now???"
"Just ban reserved list. Boom."
"Fuck WOTC. Make proxies legal in 60 card."
fallow citrus
yeah PK videos are just a minefield
golden plover
Hey, interactions gets clicks tho
lusty trench
If anyone has any thoughts on this (that isn't "add the new titans", I'm broke) lmk
twilit canyon
stop being broke
lusty trench
sudden lava
you wont fight all mono pods every time
lusty trench
Ye but the best cards are usually mono coloured
golden plover
Misses stuff like dockside, thoracle, consult, grand abolisher
sleek ferry
sleek ferry
Ngl this is super cute https://youtu.be/i4i4Yk4haNw?si=xskzTktiDKZm8jwc
trail anvil
well apart from sage of the unknowable and nadier's nightblade, don't think those are gonna fit
trail anvil
Ngl this is super cute https://youtu.be/i4i4Yk4haNw?si=xskzTktiDKZm8jwc
still not convinced on tithing blade as a card, want it to be good but it feels rough a lot of the time
sleek ferry
Tithing blade doesn’t feel good to you? Crazy statement tbh
trail anvil
each time I use it it feels like they're sacrificing a resolute reinforcements token or something lmao, and the backside is underwhelming as anything
although here you're probably using it more for anvil/extruder
trail anvil
man mh3 draft is actually just not clicking for me at all lmao
done 3 runs with 1 win, 2 wins then 0 wins 
trail anvil
on the other hand, necrobloom is so fun, this is everything I wanted in a graveyard land deck
atomic harness
Proud of you kid
zinc shard
trail anvil
rigid scarab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzoIICAo6VU
||Sweet interaction at the end that pretty funnily shows off one thing Flare can do that T Pro can't||
||But also "Hey we should get a comedian on this episode! He's sure to bring a lot of witty commentary and bring a lot of laughs to our table! ||
trail anvil
||honestly some comedians are just like that in their day-to-day life. I know jimmy fallon is pretty chill too off his show. I moreso wished they included a longer game tbh, even though that flare was perfect||
fallow citrus
what's timeless/historic looking like with mh3 now
twilit canyon
timeless is great
it just got a ton of variety added
ppl are experimenting with scam a lot
and affinity
historic same deal more or less
being experimented on
lusty trench
Happy mh3 seems to be more tame than mh2 so far
Still early days but hopefully things won't shake up like they did for mh2
fallow citrus
oh yeah it's got scam now lmao
might be time to build it
but I just had a draft token so I played some mh3 draft and it made me actually want to play the game again
I assume scam is similar to legacy with reanimate, troll, grief etc
hidden ermine
I will forever be jealous of MTG getting actually cool decknames
fallow citrus
oh no voidwalker?
that sucks
is it basically just rescaminator with archon/atraxa too or is it deeper in the scam plan?
twilit canyon
atm its kinda confused
theres red lists like modern
theres blue lists like legacy
and theres more reanimator focused lists
fallow citrus
Without knowing the rest of the format I want to say legacy rescaminator should be the way forward for it
although without dauthi you have nothing to do unless you have all the pieces of the puzzle
twilit canyon
without voidwalker u are super weak to reanimator funnily enough
twilit canyon
affinity/eldrazi
fallow citrus
affinity 👀
trail anvil
wait eldrazi? dang
twilit canyon
its not great tbh
lacking temple slows the deck down a lot
but it has great match ups
tks etb can ruin omni
fallow citrus
might have to peep affinity
twilit canyon
even if they resolve omni
u put in tks
and exile their card
and it can win the game there and then
stark skiff
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Did he? 
modern minnow
just played someone on arena who had 4 titans vanguard i dont even know what to say
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twilit canyon
i dont believe there are people underselling nadu
i believe its well known that hes the second coming of simic
twilit canyon
ulalek is inoffensive
at least compared to nadu
but i can see why ppl would hate ulalek
gritty nest
Me with 12 cascade triggers because of Ulalek
lusty trench
If you're popping off with ulalek you probably deserve to win
gritty nest
The deck so far with testing
stark skiff
yeah nadu is just silly
gritty nest
I run all 10 talismans
It literally just runs fine despite being 5 color
You need so little colored mana
lusty trench
Yeah im not saying it isn't good at edh
I'm just saying if you're popping off you've probably invested in your board enough
gritty nest
Fair
Omo is the one that if you’re rolling you deserve the win
That deck flounders out the box
lusty trench
Omo just was not designed around the deck they gave her
Swap her for tatyova who is in the deck and you've got something
hidden ermine
[[Nadu]]
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stark skiff
trying? what is there to try. slap a bunch of buffs, mana rampers, and the variety of lands
hidden ermine
Im guessing Nadu involves a lot of reusing him to bypass the twice per turn clause?
lusty trench
Omo is mainly just everything tribal but she's hard to build well as her boards are weak and she does nothing on her own
lusty trench
Im guessing Nadu involves a lot of reusing him to bypass the twice per turn clau...
So easy to loop
[[nomads en-kor]]
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Creature — Kor Nomad Soldier
: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to Nomads en-Kor this turn is dealt to target creature you control instead.
The kor forsake roots for the winding of the path, forsake voices for the silence of the mind, forsake all else for the poverty of isolation.
1/1
gritty nest
Trying as in finding the best bang for your buck lords
hidden ermine
So easy to loop
Funny you say that because I actually am blanking on how you loop him in Simic
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Soulbond (You may pair this creature with another unpaired creature when either enters the battlefield. They remain paired for as long as you control both of them.)
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5/5
hidden ermine
Oh
twilit canyon
theres more
twilit canyon
u can do some [[ghostly flicker]] loops
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twilit canyon
if you can clone it
lusty trench
There's also ways to get tokens made to when you nadu
twilit canyon
theres other ways
but yea
target your whole board with an effect and flicker nadu
sleek ferry
I will note, it does look as if cam was able to accelerate off probably starting with lightning greaves? Or an early lightning greaves
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twilit canyon
idr what its called
sleek ferry
Umbral armor is the mechanic no?
lusty trench
Umbral mantel?
sleek ferry
[[umbral mantel]]
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It harnesses the power of night in a land where daylight fears to show itself.
sleek ferry
Ah yes, the untap mechanic
glad peak
Tbh ulalek is one of those cards where if you’re winning then it’s so over the top that people will feel like it was a mistake to print but getting there is near impossible
Like many of the big mana commanders
Nadu is just efficient, just so so efficient
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lusty trench
Tbh ulalek is one of those cards where if you’re winning then it’s so over the t...
They're very much win more yeah
last glen
okay but how does mh3 impact pioneer
trail anvil
https://x.com/camtowin/status/1800550139209355494?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
I feel like the 40 minute turn bit is the more problematic part compared to the turn 3 part
well, assuming there are places to interact with this deck in cedh but I would imagine there are
trail anvil
Omo is mainly just everything tribal but she's hard to build well as her boards ...
what she really does on her own is enable a ton of mana real quick
the synergies are really nice if you can enable them though
lusty trench
Ye she does turn on a fair amount of lands easier
trail anvil
ngl I'm tempted to build her with an inverse bell mana curve just cause of how fast you can ramp with that deck
sudden lava
need me a memester who plays six with 6 mana available, followed by a seven mana spell, and an 8 mana spell and then 9 mana spell
gritty nest
Bought Zhulodok right before the price hike
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lusty trench
AYO garruk has seen some things
golden plover
Wow forgot how bad it feels to be on the receiving end of scam. I just wanted to play affinity in timeless
Grief into reanimate is very fun and interactive t1
urban crane
https://x.com/sickofwolves/status/1801262247261725169?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhi...
I know it’s on theme but day and night ugh
golden plover
I think we drafted silly
Even if it's a dud
Actually we can force Kappa?
This feels gross
atomic harness
kappa woo
copper pecan
finally got around to building a grenzo brawl deck and i'm really enjoying it
i love how it makes every game play out super differently
trail anvil
it does? every grenzo deck I see is a removal discard ramp pile until they turbo him
copper pecan
i played it as just stealing as many cards from the opponent as possible
golden plover
I've heard heist is probably one of the worst limited mechanics of all time apparently
Because it just leads to a ton of non-games
copper pecan
i'd say it's the opposite
it's really strong
probably too strong for limited since the decks that are the weakest to it are midrange piles, which is what the majority of limited decks are
all of the heist cards are really powerful in limited
golden plover
probably too strong for limited since the decks that are the weakest to it are m...
Nah this is what I meant
Apparently it's proving way too problematic in limited as in it's too strong
You just heist their best cards and gg ig
sudden lava
Today I head to locals and see if people got their Modern Horizon 3 commander decks early
lusty trench
I got mine early today from HMV
golden plover
Everyone around here got them last week
They've been available since pre-release here
trail anvil
I preordered mine but it's not shipping until later
golden plover
Although the Eldrazi one was sold out that night here
Last I saw they only had the Jund and the Energy ones
trail anvil
I'm not surprised, eldrazi being that popular
lusty trench
Although the Eldrazi one was sold out that night here
My lgs had one eldrazi one left when they opened and it was gone in the hour I was there
I just pre-ordered mine from hmv, saw the list, didn't vibe with it and sold it for the same price I got it for to a friend
broken fjord
Man, I really like Selective Obliteration in monocolor decks. A decent selective wipe.
glad peak
[[selective obliteration]]
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glad peak
Huh interesting
trail anvil
first game playing cedh and it's against nadu 
this is like pulling teeth
lusty trench
Card really just says "if anyone breathes, simic"
trail anvil
there's just so much wrong with it
golden plover
Yeah it's FUCKED up
I just thought it was your targeting and that was already fucked up
trail anvil
I eagerly await to see how many banlists this ends up on
gritty nest
“Nadu isn’t that strong” - my friend
gritty nest
Card really just says "if anyone breathes, simic"
If you exist: simic
sleek ferry
I still don’t think it’s better than Kinnan tbh
copper pecan
yeah i played against a nadu player in brawl earlier today and it's a crazy card
sleek ferry
Results could prove me wrong, but considering the cedh meta currently, Kinnan should still be better
twilit canyon
corect
gritty nest
It’s still also not full release yet until tomorrow, give it like a month or so to be sure
twilit canyon
*correct
golden plover
See my issue is what does he do that Kinnan doesn't
sleek ferry
It’s simic krark/sakashima
golden plover
But he might end up being a different type of CEDH storm deck
Considering... He dumb
sleek ferry
As much as I enjoy storm decks, I probably wouldn’t play Nadu, for the same reason I dropped Krark/sakashima
golden plover
Also, [[Shuko]] is $40 now
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Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"One scratch on a wall meant safe passage, two that the target had already been raided, and three warned of a trap." —Weaponry of Kamigawa
golden plover
This is now the second random kamigawa uncommon to shoot up to $40
sleek ferry
Turns are too drawn out, and I personally play cedh to get fast, high quality games in
golden plover
Isn't it Rakdos?
sleek ferry
Green + anything
granite badge
I'm using a draft token to enter the premier draft on arena
sleek ferry
But green is usually highly contested
golden plover
Forgot Green was cracked in this draft
Honestly, Green has been cracked in the past couple drafts
granite badge
totally not gonna regret spending $20 on the pass
sleek ferry
Just try not to end up in boros and you should be fine
golden plover
[[Nyxborn Hydra]] at COMMON??
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Enchantment Creature — Hydra
Bestow 
(If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached.)
Reach, trample
Nyxborn Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on Nyxborn Hydra and has reach and trample.
0/1
sleek ferry
Should note, red is probably the 2nd weakest color, but it’s also the one with some of the best commons
glad peak
Idk I think nadu triggering off anything and requiring interaction to beat while drawing cards off of interaction might edge out kinnan
sleek ferry
So it’s not bad to settle for some red commons/uncommons early
golden plover
Why is this the most expensive card in MH3 now?
glad peak
But it might just be a flash in the pan performance
sleek ferry
Just make sure your other color isn’t white
golden plover
Idk I think nadu triggering off anything and requiring interaction to beat while...
I'm kinda banking on that too
sleek ferry
[[nadu]]
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golden plover
I think the fact that you plus off removal is maybe crazy enough for him to pop up somewhere
glad peak
And if you find a way to target stuff on your turn that’s also good in general then you can start triggering it on your opponent’s turns
sleek ferry
The biggest thing it will get value off will be clones since everybody and their mother is on multiple clones basically
rigid scarab
Why is this the most expensive card in MH3 now?
Looks like it's just a crazyhead listing on direct
There was a sale for $5
golden plover
I mean, you can probably do [[Orvar]] combos with him
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sleek ferry
But even clones, most people are usually looking to clone TOR
glad peak
The biggest thing it’ll get value off of is that once nadu is out people can’t bowmasters your mana dorks
sleek ferry
Ngl, if I see a Nadu player start with mana crypt, land, delighted halfling, I might scoop on the spot
golden plover
I think Nadu is gonna get hated out of basically every table the card pops up tbh
glad peak
I think if you don’t counter the first nadu (pray they don’t have a free counterspell) then I think you lose a lot of times
sleek ferry
That will be its biggest obstacle
rigid scarab
Simic slop is generally accepted at casual tables honestly
golden plover
Nadu is definitely too much for casual tables
sleek ferry
0 chance you will see people allow Nadu at casual tables tbh
golden plover
Even poorly constructed Nadu
glad peak
It’s a very fast deck that can also out grind you just by drawing a ton of cards
golden plover
So many knobs on Nadu were turned way too much
rigid scarab
Hasn't stopped people accepting it for play, even if it ends up being too strong
Casual tables I think are more likely to deny Koma than Nadu
golden plover
3/4 flier for 3 with upside? In a relevant type? The lands don't come in tapped? It's for each creature? It's off every player's cards? It's twice per turn per creature? Insane
sleek ferry
Nadu is in the same spot as golos and tergrid when it comes to casual
In that they’re just too strong
For the casual environment
rigid scarab
I wasn't playing when Golos was legal
But Tergrid's gameplan is actively anti-player
golden plover
If you pulled out Golos at a non-CEDH table everyone groaned
TBH the golos ban was totally justified
rigid scarab
Doesn't everyone just play kenrith now
zinc shard
P1 P1?
golden plover
Marionette
sleek ferry
Kenrith is infinitely better than golos from a cedh standpoint
But casually, golos is better
golden plover
Golos is a weaker card, but thing is he does everything
zinc shard
What are the odds
gritty nest
Do you guys think Nadu can be built for $50? Excluding its own price
zinc shard
Competitively no, but for a casual build sure
trail anvil
I mean nadu himself makes up like half the budget already lol
sleek ferry
Usually when people ask for x budget for a commander I don’t count the commander tbh
Since you would think the commander is already had
trail anvil
eh I don't make that assumption by default, some people are looking to pick up a new deck entirely
rigid scarab
I'm starting to dislike the phrase 'play more removal' more and more
It seems like it's slowly becoming just ammo that pubstompers use to justify pubstomping
gritty nest
Usually when people ask for x budget for a commander I don’t count the commander...
It’s also why I exclude price, and also because it’s prerelease price still technically until tomorrow
modern minnow
i think i hate this format
broken fjord
Playing more removal is valid advise sometimes, but I can imagine that people just bring must kill commanders and belt out that phrase when they stomp the table.
gritty nest
would [[Void Winnower]] be a good card for Ulalek? or would the deck run fine without it
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zinc shard
Arena Please
modern minnow
its one of the better eldrazi but ig it isnt super good to copy
lusty trench
It's too good not to run
trail anvil
Arena Please
it should switch to swamps the moment you add another black card
lusty trench
game stores all advertising on my local FB marketplace page about the new commander decks
They all have their price tags for the eldrazi deck blurred
sleek ferry
Got to love getting a win vs somebody who spends the whole game BMing you
urban crane
Came in
golden plover
What are timeless affinity lists looking like rn?
urban crane
Pretty cardboard
sleek ferry
Who needs lands to win
urban crane
I do actually
sleek ferry
you won kid?
rigid scarab
A game yeah
sleek ferry
proud of you son
golden plover
Yeah fuck that guy
golden plover
Hmm, does Death's Shadow have a place in Timeless?
I've got this I can make without crafting any cards
Obviously I need more fetches but
sudden lava
has to be bait
golden plover
I feel like [[Toxic Deluge]] is huge for the deck
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golden plover
The issue is I dunno if the rest of the deck is there
golden plover
has to be bait
If it's bait, don't interact with it. That's what they want.
modern minnow
every post about the quality of a magic card is bait
golden plover
Guys I swear [[Kessig Cagebreakers]] is about to break legacy
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golden plover
This was supposed to be bait but I've got no fucking clue how to break this card
modern minnow
mightve said this here already
but i remember seeing a video saying saw in half was bad
bc its bad at being removal
golden plover
Ah yes, that's what it's supposed to do
modern minnow
This was supposed to be bait but I've got no fucking clue how to break this card
terrible dredge finisher
also saying broodlord w it is bad which is a debatable statement
golden plover
terrible dredge finisher
If I play it with [[First Day of Class]] after milling my entire deck, it's over?
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sudden lava
Twitter
modern minnow
If I play it with [[First Day of Class]] after milling my entire deck, it's over...
not this post format
golden plover
How tf is that a second harvest
sudden lava
The wolves eating good
granite badge
has to be bait
I mean ngl
I can see why you'd think that
the main enabler is a niche 1 drop equipment that equips for 0
the next best enabler is the 2 drop boots
subtle sierra
granite badge
equipment as a card type wasn't rlly that common up until like, neon kamigawa? probs? maybe a bit earlier
and intuitively you wouldn't assume it targets, since the visualation there is a bit odd
fallow citrus
ok but also when you see the card you always see it with shuko
and if people are going apeshit over it would you not assume that people have found a way to abuse it if you don't think the card looks good
it really is just bait
golden plover
See the thing is even without Shuko, there's plenty of dumb things to do with Nadu
Shuko just do happens to be the easiest
No one would read Shuko on its own and go "woah that card is broken"
fallow citrus
cephalid (now octopi) breakfast has also been a deck for ages so it's not like there's no precedent
granite badge
I mean fair
modern minnow
amulet titan is bad because you need a 1 mana artifact in play to do stuff
golden plover
If Shuko is banned to pay for Nadu's crimes, a new variant will pop up running the boots or lavaspur or whatever else
Nadu very obviously reads crazy
I mentioned this last night, lemme find it
modern minnow
bad faith takes and twitter just go together very well
golden plover
3/4 flier for 3 with upside? In a relevant type? The lands don't come in tapped? It's for each creature? It's off every player's cards? It's twice per turn per creature? Insane
sudden lava
finally went up agains the goat man, they had a fun christmas alter of it
golden plover
Like in no way is this a card you read and go "Oh that's fair"
sudden lava
twilit canyon
you are missing a lot of fetches
also shadow doesnt want to go red
sticking to dimir is better
lets you more comfortably play mana drain/counterspell
lusty trench
Pulled the bird today so ig I got my omo replacement
golden plover
you are missing a lot of fetches
Yeah fetches are the main priority. I just don't have the rare WCs
Is Dimir better now? I thought we wanted DRC and Unholy Heat
twilit canyon
shadow doesnt care for red in legacy bc it doesnt get enough
u dont actually need the shocks to lose life thanks to reanimate and dismember
going fetch -> shock -> troll -> reanimate loses 9 life in one go
the same but pitch grief loses 7
so you are under way less pressure to go red
removal is also much stronger with flare
golden plover
Gotcha. I'll stick with this until I can build a better version
twilit canyon
and of course being consistent vs b moon and harbinger
golden plover
But also, losing iteration feels sad
twilit canyon
deluge is fine but there is kind of a lack of creatures
golden plover
I guess I'll stick to upgrading affinity then
twilit canyon
if u do want a slight splash, add a single overgrown and play drs
golden plover
This is what I've got for affinity RN but I know it's lacking
I need another binding, 3 more synthesizer, and 1-2 more labyrinth
twilit canyon
u dont need the tapped affinity lands tbh
golden plover
What should I run instead?
twilit canyon
islands
twilit canyon
4 ugins lab, 4 darksteel citadel
golden plover
Yeah, I've gotta get 2 more labs
twilit canyon
1 cephalid
golden plover
Mythic wildcards are gating me hard rn
golden plover
Star and Lavaspur are placeholders for 2 more synthesizers
golden plover
I guess I'll probably cut tormod's for the 4th
twilit canyon
4 of those too
golden plover
Not having Sojourner's Companion hurts here too
twilit canyon
also ur probs going to need to run nulldrifter and/or devourer
u do need a density of colorless 7+ mv cards
golden plover
I feel like this deck loses hard to scam tho
twilit canyon
run it 4 of and 4 of myr and 4 of frogmyr and 4 devourer
golden plover
But tbh, I'm not sure what I'm the format can answer scam
twilit canyon
I feel like this deck loses hard to scam tho
ngl u also lose hard to show and tell lol
the big gatekeepers will be show and tell
golden plover
You can at least kill show and tell before they see it with the right hand
twilit canyon
idt scam can actually beat that deck either
golden plover
T3 kappa for 8 should do it, right?
twilit canyon
depends
they have a better turn 2 nowdays
t1 drs, t2 dark rit, t2 ugin's lab can all accelerate u to win
golden plover
Hmm
So what is gonna be good in the format?
I can theoretically also make something with the old bant rec shell
But realistically, I did wanna try affinity and deaths shadow
glad peak
has to be bait
Tbh I’ve seen a lot of casual players (not just edh, modern too) dismiss it because it’s “only a 3/4 that sometimes draws a card”
Tbf it was literally after it got spoiled but most players saw it was at least good at first glance
golden plover
Yeah lemme see what the general feel from the reddit thread was
Those are funny
Lmao top comment is a joke going "man it'd be funny to run [[Shuko]] with him"
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"One scratch on a wall meant safe passage, two that the target had already been raided, and three warned of a trap." —Weaponry of Kamigawa
golden plover
Yep, funny
Yup general vibe was immediately "this card is bonkers"
Although they were trying to play scute swarm with it
golden plover
It's cute, but what does scute do for you that's not done better by stuff like field of the dead
glad peak
Well scute isn’t banned in modern
golden plover
That's true
I guess you could try scute for the list
I'm seeing a lot of "This is this sets Hogaak" and "This is banable"
So general vibe is "yeah this is fucked"
gritty nest
>game stores all advertising on my local FB marketplace page about the new comma...
$150
lusty trench
Honestly tempted to sell mine because I can feel a ban in at least one format
golden plover
That's reasonably close to the lists I've been seeing
gritty nest
Shuko or Nadu Jotlico?
golden plover
Only difference is that they're going for Thoracle deck-out
Wait yeah Spellskite is actually kinda fucked in this
Huh, maybe this is the list to be on
glad peak
Spellskite is an additional target huh
golden plover
[[Inquisitive Puppet]]
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glad peak
Interesting
glad peak
Yep 1 mana draw 4 lol
glad peak
I don’t think it’s solid (seems fragile) but it does seem to be the deck that focuses the best on nadu
golden plover
I mean yeah, anything that's "just Nadu" is gonna fold to interaction
But this reliably wins the turn you drop Nadu if they don't have it I assume
lusty trench
Shuko or Nadu Jotlico?
Nadu, Shuko is a non issue
glad peak
Also not running saga is kind of questionable
golden plover
And Spellskite as an addition is like probably your best bet for protection
Yeah, no saga is weird
But I think it's a starting point for more realistic Nadu decks
glad peak
Probably just slipped their mind
lusty trench
At best saga fetches you your combo pieces at worse it gives you bodies
golden plover
This was made in like 15 minutes of the card reveal
glad peak
Since saga can represent 2-6 more and it fetches you the combo
golden plover
For that amount of time, I'd say it's very good
glad peak
Who knew turning shuko into a better skullclamp was good
golden plover
The issue here is you're lacking a plan b
glad peak
With saga, you have a plan b
golden plover
But yeah, general vibe is that people knew Nadu was broken from reveal
glad peak
With sfm and some of that package you have a plan c
Though I’m not sure if a third color is too smart if you’re planning on running saga and no fetches
gritty nest
Just bought a couple copies of this card. Love the art tbh
golden plover
With sfm and some of that package you have a plan c
White does get you access to [[Nomads in Kor]]
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Creature — Kor Nomad Soldier
: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to Nomads en-Kor this turn is dealt to target creature you control instead.
The Kor forsake roots for the winding of the path; forsake voices for the silence of the mind; forsake all else for the poverty of isolation.
1/1
golden plover
Wait whats the time spiral version
golden plover
[[Outrider en-Kor]]
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Creature — Kor Rebel Knight
Flanking (Whenever a creature without flanking blocks this creature, the blocking creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.)
: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to Outrider en-Kor this turn is dealt to target creature you control instead.
2/2
golden plover
Unfortunately he's 2 mana more
glad peak
If yorion was still legal it would play that and be completely fine lol
golden plover
But he's the only modern legal one
Yeah I was thinking this would go crazy as a yorion deck
glad peak
Might actually be a better yorion deck than the 4c deck
golden plover
It'd also go into time every round lmao
Not like any proper Nadu deck won't anyways
There's also people in the thread trying to use [[Venerated Rotpriest]] with it
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golden plover
I see the vision, but I dunno if it's there
trail anvil
I mean if you're already going nigh infinite, poison couldn't hurt for 1 mana I feel like
depends on which cards you're running though
twilit canyon
So what is gonna be good in the format?
we arent sure yet but reclamation is way too weak for the formar
*format
golden plover
Huh that's surprising. I thought rec would be good since it was a strong modern deck
golden plover
I mean if you're already going nigh infinite, poison couldn't hurt for 1 mana I ...
Issue is that it's another extra Nadu plan without a backup
If you lose Nadu, Rotpriest sits around as a 1/2 do nothing
trail anvil
which format are we talking about, modern or commander
golden plover
I was thinking modern, but Rotpriest probably doesn't hurt in commander
twilit canyon
Huh that's surprising. I thought rec would be good since it was a strong modern ...
it was only strong pre mh2
golden plover
I just wouldn't bank on Rotpriest as your wincon in commander
golden plover
I'm not sure what Cedh Nadu looks like yet, but I figure it's closer to field of the dead, flickers, tutors, and searching for Shuko
twilit canyon
necropotence is a hell of a card
trail anvil
yeah I wouldn't either but like to even grab it you'd need a searcher
and you'd most likely wanna search something else
golden plover
Unfortunately for commander Nadu doesn't have access to White
Can't [[Enlightened Tutor]] for Shuko
rigid scarab
Fortunately*
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twilit canyon
or black
golden plover
Yeah, black would be good for him too
twilit canyon
if nadu was sultai
trail anvil
pride event time
rigid scarab
Fuck just make him 5c
golden plover
Don't get me wrong, I think he's probably gonna settle as one of the best cedh commanders
rigid scarab
With the exact same cost
twilit canyon
Fuck just make him 5c
bannable words
golden plover
But he's missing a third color that'd really push him over the edge
trail anvil
what's the worst possible pair with nadu you can think of in the pride edh event
trail anvil
no as in degenerate good
golden plover
[[Ardenn, Interpid Archeologist]] or Tymna
twilit canyon
tymna
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rigid scarab
2c partners were a mistake 
trail anvil
just assuming no restrictions whatsoever
golden plover
Oh yeah you can just pair him with Kenrith lmao
trail anvil
good ol kenny
golden plover
Imagine showing up to the pride event with Nadu Kenrith and just going "Oh I draw my whole deck t3, Thoracle?"
Kenrith being legal for the pride event kinda ruins the event if you wanna actually try
trail anvil
wait
twilit canyon
Imagine showing up to the pride event with Nadu Kenrith and just going "Oh I dra...
*turn 1
trail anvil
[[thassa's oracle]]
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
When Thassa's Oracle enters the battlefield, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is your devotion to blue. Put up to one of them on top of your library and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. If X is greater than or equal to the number of cards in your library, you win the game. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
1/3
golden plover
Considering there's no reason to not just put kenrith in the command zone for any other deck
trail anvil
oh she's not legendary
rigid scarab
Holy SHIT if thoracle was legendary
rigid scarab
Actually Im down
twilit canyon
Considering there's no reason to not just put kenrith in the command zone for an...
there is
golden plover
Don't need to wait 3 turns
rigid scarab
Make her legendary so we can ban her
golden plover
Make dockside legendary too while we're at it
twilit canyon
tymna makes a very strong argument for any temur commander
golden plover
My pride commanders are dockside and Thoracle
golden plover
tymna makes a very strong argument for any temur commander
There's also an argument for [[Najeela]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a Warrior attacks, you may have its controller create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token that's tapped and attacking.
: Untap all attacking creatures. They gain trample, lifelink, and haste until end of turn. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase. Activate only during combat.
3/2
twilit canyon
missing black
golden plover
If you're doing combat things, no reason not to
twilit canyon
thoracle dockside doesnt do it
twilit canyon
If you're doing combat things, no reason not to
ehhh kenrith is more generic
najeela would also like tymna
golden plover
Depends on your goal, but I can see stuff running Najeela
Actually I think there's a better one for Najeela
rigid scarab
My pride partners are scurry oak and rosie cotton
trail anvil
tymna is just too reliable as value?
twilit canyon
My pride partners are scurry oak and rosie cotton
make infinite tokens and lose to rakdos charm speed run
golden plover
Cedh Najeela already runs [[Deveri]] as a secondary commander
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golden plover
[[Deveri, Tactician]]
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[[Deveri, Empyreal Tactician]]
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twilit canyon
derevi
rigid scarab
You'll get there
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Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever Derevi, Empyrial Tactician enters the battlefield or a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may tap or untap target permanent.
: Put Derevi onto the battlefield from the command zone.
2/3
twilit canyon
worse than tymna
golden plover
But yeah, Cedh Najeela already runs her
golden plover
This just lets you use her commander tax ignoring ability
rigid scarab
The best commanders are the ones that don't enable any specific strategy
Just enablers to draw into your 99
twilit canyon
more or less
golden plover
But yeah, there's plenty of easy ways to break the pride event
And one of the easiest is just putting Kenrith in the command zone
rigid scarab
Like there's no way to build a deck around tymna or kraum
It's the other way around
In other news
TCC hit 1 Mil subs
lusty trench
Good ass draft
lusty trench
Did you draft in the yellow void
? I just drafted white
Oh you mean the tables lmao
lusty trench
Nah got a commander masters as prizing
Opened 2 rare 2 mythics
From that one pack
lusty trench
What’s crazier is they gave me two commander masters and I said I’d prefer modern horizons, a guy offered to swap his single horizons for on of my masters, I agreed, got a fetch, and he got nothing
modern minnow
rip
trail anvil
RIP
lusty trench
It’s why I wanted the swap, the hits are big for masters but the duds hurt so much worse
trail anvil
yeah commander masters has some rough stuff in it
sudden lava
so yeah dumb search I did on scryfall
winter (24), fall (104), and spring (45 but note it includes offspring), and only 4 summer cards
lusty trench
Summer is harder to work into a name
Winter can mean the end or prolonged harshness, spring means beginning, fall is just a verb
sudden lava
yeah
lusty trench
Wonder how autumn fairs
sudden lava
11
trail anvil
Winter can mean the end or prolonged harshness, spring means beginning, fall is ...
spring is also a noun, as in the body of water
lusty trench
Ah true I forgot
sudden lava
but yeah the dumb idea to make a deck with sakiko insertzexalmeme
lusty trench
Ask your pod if you can set up a side way for you to win: resolving a spring, summer, autumn and winter card back to back
sudden lava
How it feels when you realize bloomburrow spoiler season is less then a month away
sudden lava
finally new squirrel commanders
stark skiff
Oh finally a listing for a serialized kozilek
sleek ferry
Oh finally a listing for a serialized kozilek
How much
stark skiff
How much
only 1 on tcg. Its 4k for #35
still early but ill go see if i can pawn it off on a vendor i guess this weekend before more start being posted
sudden lava
so what we thinking the black and white calamity beasts are gonna be?
subtle tendon
still early but ill go see if i can pawn it off on a vendor i guess this weekend...
I'll buy it for $200, best offer
stark skiff
I'll buy it for $200, best offer
i know some of the rich ballers in the server may want it like @atomic harness @rigid scarab
gritty nest
I picked up a Nadu today at locals
polar lake
trail anvil
I'm ngl I don't really see the point in playing this commander outside of cedh. you're just gonna get people annoyed at 40 minute turns (tbh you still probably will with cedh)
gritty nest
because deckout
trail anvil
couldn't you just do [[bruvac, the grandiloquent]] for that
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gritty nest
i would, but my local scene is less offended by taking 30 minutes to deck yourself vs playing 1 card that states "you make yourself mill 1 card"
gritty nest
i also stopped caring what they think, as in if i could go to a different shop i would
because some scream no infinites but somehow accidentally have an infinite in all their decks
if that makes sense
rigid scarab
The worst for me are people who make stone-faced lies in order to get a dub
gritty nest
I’ve had that happen like twice ever, but I stopped playing with them
glad peak
Tbh I’d stop catering to them and just play what you want, you can’t make everyone happy
Especially if it’s randoms
gritty nest
i also stopped caring what they think, as in if i could go to a different shop i...
Yea, already started that
It’s why I added 2 infinites in only one deck, partially because fuck it, partially because I don’t find it fun
glad peak
Play all infinite trash pile
sleek ferry
At some point you realize in commander that you can’t appease everybody and you should focus on what’s fun to you
urban crane
Pulled some things
gritty nest
At some point you realize in commander that you can’t appease everybody and you ...
I like drawing cards. I like making my self lose via deck out or similar because it’s both hilarious and doesn’t give them the satisfaction of winning. It’s why I want to do nadu lol
golden plover
Oh so there's not a rule declaring that you can't pay more energy than you have
So you can declare like 30 off [[Wheel of Potential]]
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Sorcery
You get 
(three energy counters), then you may pay X .
Each player may exile their hand and draw X cards. If X is 7 or more, you may play cards you own exiled this way until the end of your next turn.
The wheel only has one sure output: chaos.
urban crane
Wait what how
lusty trench
Oh god it’s not a cost is it
golden plover
It's not
There's nothing saying that X has to be paid
Time for wheel of chaos to go from the worst card in the set to the best
lusty trench
This really needs an “if you do” after the paying of energy
golden plover
Time to play Izzet wheel and just use it and Thoracle to draw the whole deck
golden plover
This really needs an “if you do” after the paying of energy
It'll likely get errated to have it
But currently, you can rule shark an event and use it to draw 100
lusty trench
It’s not even rules sharking it’s just how the card works which is nuts
golden plover
True. I think you'd probably have a judge rule against you for the spirit of the card or whatever
But within the current wording and rules of the game, you're allowed to decline to pay the X and still draw the cards
sudden lava
Ok but then your opponents will also potentially use the draw
sudden lava
if you draw 100 you are dead
lusty trench
If you're drawing 100 you're probably winning
Borne upon a wind thassas oracle
golden plover
That or you declare an obscenely large number with the intent of Thoracle/labman
If you declare 100 and have Thoracle in the deck, you win
sudden lava
yes large number, but not 100.
golden plover
An opponent won't take the 100 because they would lose
sudden lava
Unless you have a way to prevent deckout
golden plover
You know what [[Thassa's Oracle]] does, right?
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
When Thassa's Oracle enters the battlefield, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is your devotion to blue. Put up to one of them on top of your library and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. If X is greater than or equal to the number of cards in your library, you win the game. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
1/3
glad peak
You’d have to give one of them flash but jot is right, you can all 100+ cards then flash in thoracle
lusty trench
I'm saying your opponents can as well
glad peak
Unless you call the exact number you have in deck then thoracle at sorcery speed which is another option
lusty trench
In response to your oracle
glad peak
Yep, for all we know all players can too
golden plover
Imagine this gets Thoracle banned in Modern before she gets an EDH ban
sudden lava
which makes this very chaotic politically
golden plover
I mean, in 1v1 you're not politicing
sudden lava
"call 20, anyone wanna take it?"
golden plover
But also, you just declare the largest number and flash in your Thoracle
Or declare deck size and hard cast her
glad peak
Not really, not everyone’s going to play blue and not everyone’s going to have born or thoracle
sudden lava
^
golden plover
It only comes up if EVERYONE in the edh game is in blue, aware of how wheel is currently broken, and has the mana and ability to flash in Thoracle (which they all have to be running)
glad peak
Idk seems like a bit too many moving parts to be cedh playable
Nah it actually turns this wheel into a guaranteed draw all ad naus
golden plover
Yeah, the wheel is currently ad naus for red
urban crane
https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/144/wheel-of-potential
I just realized niv mizzet parun lmao
golden plover
Red can currently just say X=1 less than your current deck size, draw the whole thing, and win that way
Especially if you're in Izzet and you've got Thoracle
glad peak
You don’t even need niv, just 3 mana, 2 blue rocks, and toracle in deck
golden plover
Yeah pretty much
sudden lava
It’s not that tricky politically
I said chaotic politically. You're offering the entire table mass draw and all they have to give up is their current hand. Im taking the draw
urban crane
I mean draw 40 deal 40 to any player
glad peak
I said chaotic politically. You're offering the entire table mass draw and all t...
Not really, since you’re going to win the game on the spot
glad peak
Which means before anyone can get counterspells up
golden plover
Unless they have open mana and the ability to counterspell you
But you wouldn't do this then
Also, if this remains unchanged, they would simply counterspell you casting it
Because they'd be aware you're gonna do X=100 and win on the spot
gritty nest
Or deck yourself and lose for fun
golden plover
By the time you try this at a table they either know what you're doing and you get stopped, or they don't and will not see it coming
No one is gonna go "oh sure I'll draw 75 cards. That's not suspicious at all"
sudden lava
That's why you do it on a high but not until single digits in deck amount
golden plover
What?
If it's t2 in cedh and I've got the open mana to play this and Thoracle I'm playing it
It basically gives red a way to do the consultation combo
Why do I care that my opponents are gonna draw 90 cards if I win on the spot
glad peak
You’d always use this to draw the entire deck
golden plover
There's never a time I'm not playing this card if it's in hand
glad peak
Most times you’re gonna have the most free counters and you’ll have rocks to pay for not-free counters to have more counter than all your opponents
golden plover
Summer, you're not getting that THEY WONT GET TO USE THE CARDS
Oh especially in Jeskai
Oh wait nevermind
But nah, point is that they don't get to use the cards
glad peak
Most times you’re gonna have the most free counters and you’ll have rocks to pay...
And this only refers to in the case of you only being able to use it as an ad naus
golden plover
Until it's fixed, this is a 3 mana "you win the game"
gritty nest
Dumb question, but how would they not be able to use the however many cards they draw, ignoring the fact they’d potentially deck out and lose on the spot? I understand you and the opponents will now have a full hand for counters and similar. But wheel is sorcery speed, meaning you’d have to wheel first then play thoracle after right? Or am I missing something
gritty nest
For?
golden plover
Dumb question, but how would they not be able to use the however many cards they...
You can use stuff like [[Quicken]] or [[Born Upon a Wind]] to flash in the Thoracle
golden plover
But also you'd presumably do this when your opponent(s) don't have the mana to interact
golden plover
Yeah, but you can also just do it in your turn when they're tapped out
Sure they might draw force of will or whatever, but you'd definitely draw force of will or whatever
gritty nest
Youd both definitely have counters
Just who has more and plays more efficient
And also if you just don’t win on the spot, because the only chance they’ll get is when wheel resolves and the thoracle trigger is still on the stack, if both are played at instant speed
And if they can’t force spike? The thoracle then and there they don’t win
I don’t remember which counters do what tbh, just know there’s ones that can counter abilities
gritty nest
Probably because that’s what the intended method was
golden plover
Yes, the card works as intended on arena
However, the card doesn't work as written on arena
gritty nest
Correct
waxen timber
Can't they just BKSS it and say it works how they intended to work?
last glen
Well they can and likely will
if they don't errata it
golden plover
They'll probably errata it
last glen
but until then the language is ambiguous
are there any other cards where you can declare an X cost
fail to pay
and still resolve an effect based on X
golden plover
There's not much precedent for saying "the card works how it's intended to work"
Because that's ambiguous
last glen
See I'm not so sure it's ambiguous
you may pay X
and then draw X cards
if you fail to pay X
didn't you pay 0, and then draw 0 cards?
lusty trench
are there any other cards where you can declare an X cost
fail to pay
and still ...
The issue with it is you're not declaring a cost
You're declaring an X