yeah that too
#Magic the Gathering
copper pecan
twilit canyon
pte as ramp is just not amazing at least. but there also wasnt something truly worth cheating in until geisy
*geist
rich bronze
MH3 leaked card:
1, artifact creature, common, 0/0
ETB with 2 +1/+1 counters.
Remove one +1/+1 counter - at the beginning of your next upkeep add 2 +1/+1 counters
copper pecan
source?
glad peak
Now imagine if that were Modular 2 instead 
copper pecan
i find it really hard to believe they'd make a colorless one mana 2/2 with an upside
lusty trench
One that also scales up every turn
copper pecan
especially when you can just activate the effect on your opponent's end step
glad peak
If it was snow or specifically colorless then maybe
glad peak
Yeah seems absurd even then
You’d be gaining multiplicatively more +1/+1 counters per turn
Well not multiplicative but the equation is something I’m too lazy to come up with rn
twilit canyon
yes modern is in a sort of combo meta rn
but printing a 1 drop like that?
imagine how absurd itd be when we get a fair deck meta
glad peak
Especially with it being able to get fetched with saga
stark skiff
trail anvil
btw new riddle over on arena with the release of their alchemy set, first code is gonna be ||alquistproft||
trail anvil
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/s/lQWit4E1iM smh this is a great shitpost but they ate the onion 
twilit canyon
lmao
golden plover
It sucks how cool the art for [[Fiendslayer Paladin]] is for a card that's like... Nothing
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twilit canyon
crept out by sanctifier en-vec for the most part
golden plover
Yeah, but sanctifier doesn't look nearly as cool
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Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
Flying
: Mistwalker gets +1/-1 until end of turn.
"To escape Littjara, follow a bird." —Tuskeri folklore
1/4
golden plover
Okay yeah that art fucks too
trail anvil
so does the flavor goddamn
trail anvil
pulled a spectator seating and foil reliquary tower out of my commander master precon, let's get it
pulsar talon
What is the mtg equivalent of the arc v dragon orbs, if any?
fallow citrus
dragon orbs?
pulsar talon
Yugioh sometimes tends to add a bunch of orbs on monsters' designs, most of the time to the card's detriment by being overdesigned or directionless
The biggest culprit being the odd eyes cards
sudden lava
Oh god that's so complicated
its like any other dungeon, it's just long
if it ends up being legal, keep Sefris away from it
trail anvil
What is the mtg equivalent of the arc v dragon orbs, if any?
can't really think of one off the top of my head
golden plover
its like any other dungeon, it's just long
There's way too many options tho
Like dungeons are bad enough
But I'm NOT gonna read all that
trail anvil
it's okay, just read as you go then say "it does that??" whenever something new comes up
the questing beast classic
copper pecan
What is the mtg equivalent of the arc v dragon orbs, if any?
energy swirls
like just glowing energy all over the place
lusty trench
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIA9tnfXAAAqxnN?format=jpg&name=large
As wordy as it is, it's the journey you go through in baulders gate 3, that at least is really cool
atomic harness
wao kidda does leyline of singularity work against treasure tokens? @rigid scarab
I saw someone a tweet on x
copper pecan
[[leyline of singularity]]
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copper pecan
yeah this works against tokens
rigid scarab
Yes
atomic harness
thank you both
lusty trench
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6129766/silas_roghark_war_crimes anyone got any non reserve list/mana rock improvements I can make?
zinc shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kuauoZWyyo&ab_channel=TheCommandZone
Came for the Fallout Decks, stayed for the lessons in radiation
fallow citrus
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIA9tnfXAAAqxnN?format=jpg&name=large
for anyone scared of this being a real card it seems like everything points to this being just for the baldur's gate 50th anni draft
golden plover
Makes sense. Figured it wasn't legal but the concern of way too much text and "cards that make a theme better locked behind a specific event" were mildly there
Glad wotc isn't taking the bandai approach yet
(Bandai TCGs consistently have cards that are prize cards or locked behind certain events that end up meta staples at ridiculous prices)
lusty trench
Blue jimbe, yellow pulsemon moment
golden plover
This one is only legal if you rule 0 it so luckily it's not that
lusty trench
I like how flavourful it is but it is certainly a lot
If they want to make it real for the next DND set they should just condense it into baldurs gate 3s main plot areas
golden plover
Yeah it's kinda most of acts 1 and 2 of BG3
And a little of 3, but mostly acts 1 and 2
All three could end up being 2-3 dungeon cards on their own
lusty trench
That'd be cool
fallow citrus
Yeah it's kinda most of acts 1 and 2 of BG3
well those are the best parts
golden plover
You could definitely make the Girhyanki Creche, Gauntlet of Shar, and the Goblin Camp their own cards
Moonrise Towers too probably
golden plover
~~well those are the best parts~~
I mean yeah the game sorta falls off story wise at act 3
lusty trench
~~well those are the best parts~~
Yeah act 3 needed a little longer in the oven
golden plover
I mean the game was objectively released unfinished
Even the devs owned up to that
lusty trench
I remember when just act 1 dropped in early access, I was just blown away by it
golden plover
But at least they're working on fixing it with massive free updates
lusty trench
You heard it here first ladies and gentlemen, maro has officially stated you are encouraged to commit crimes 
golden plover
His second endorsement of proxies
lusty trench
Me looking at my printer knowing I can get a wheel, timetwister, yawgmoths will and lions eye for .20p
golden plover
Now the question. Which is funnier for the back of my next proxy deck: "Don't call cards fake cards" or "You're encouraged to commit crimes"
lusty trench
I didn't even know this was a thing before it shut down
trail anvil
knockoff hearthstone lookin ass
golden plover
It's kinda bad
You have to buy planeswalkers to use as deckmasters for various colors
And it literally does the HS "everything happens in your turn" thing
sudden lava
Game Knights fallout episode was really good
glad peak
Spellslingers was kinda fun ngl
It was a fun casual game with a pretty cool crafting mechanic where you can donate materials within guilds and get bonuses from it
zinc shard
Am I doing this right?
fallow citrus
what are you trying to do
zinc shard
Draft
fallow citrus
oh didn't know mkm had helix and shock
zinc shard
Feelin good about this
zinc shard
went 1-3
trail anvil
oh didn't know mkm had helix and shock
you didn't? helix was a big reprint
ig the best boros deck doesn't run it
fallow citrus
I don't really pay attention to standard much anymore ngl
trail anvil
understandable
glad peak
All 7.5 players got appeased
urban crane
Just arrived
trail anvil
post the bonus pack pulls
atomic harness
^
stark skiff
Just arrived
Someone in my pod played it and damn it is annoying to deal with. Could imagine with updates.
sudden lava
Fallout release day is here
barren cairn
Already saw it at target
trail anvil
oh hey breeches is already a nice upgrade for this deck lol
||yeah pinging duals is a cool but simple flip||
urban crane
I thought it was in the deck?
golden plover
||Kinda don't love how they're just throwing all these random legendaries here. Like I get that there's the omenpaths and all, but it feels like there's just a ton of random legends here||
Wanna see the fakest leak possible today btw?
- No shot they put Wandering Emperor and Fable in precons.
- The "Arena code included in each deck" line 100% confirms it's fake
They don't do that for good precons
Sorry but the technology simply isn't there to put Teferi and Farewell on an arena code. Every time they tried, the computer exploded
fallow citrus
||Kinda don't love how they're just throwing all these random legendaries here. ...
thanks commander
fallow citrus
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGRumors/comments/1b9sfhu/outlaws_of_thunder_junction_...
||like the burn lands here, people tried scry lands in burn so ones that burn would be neat||
||malcolm seems cool as like ledger shredder 5||
twilit canyon
||no real room in murktide unfort||
golden plover
thanks commander
True, this is a commander solution
fallow citrus
yeah it sucks unfort because it makes legendaries not special
but commander has become far too big for them not to milk it
twilit canyon
anyway on more magic related stuff I might just start playing legacy
what deck?
trail anvil
I thought it was in the deck?
there's another breeches in this deck, but not this one afaik
urban crane
Nope it’s the other one yeah makes it even better
trail anvil
yeet
fallow citrus
what deck?
not sure yet, was thinking about either miracles, lands or painter
miracles not being a real choice tbh I just think it's neat
twilit canyon
lands clear tbh
fallow citrus
yeah I can see it
twilit canyon
idt lands are in the best spot in the meta rn but
fallow citrus
I was a big fan of 8cast painter when it was a fad
twilit canyon
it is just a good deck type
fallow citrus
I'm open to most decks in legacy really, I think they're all neat
twilit canyon
i do suggest waiting till monday
fallow citrus
not ever going to play doomsday though I don't catch that vibe
oh yeah I will for sure
fallow citrus
most of the playing I'll be doing is going to be mtgo based anyway
cannot afford to genuinely play legacy for a long time lmao
twilit canyon
fair fair
fallow citrus
esp if I were going to play something like lands
time to do the technology of just playing rhinos in modern and legacy
fallow citrus
how come
fallow citrus
would you say maybe too fair compared to other legacy decks?
twilit canyon
it more or less feels like you are about ready to brush your teeth and you have the toothpaste but no brush
the deck is missing something and i cant tell what
fallow citrus
is it not just the issue that cascade has where you don't get to play good 1 or 2 mana options?
twilit canyon
maybe? u dont feel that in modern much at all
fallow citrus
hmm
fallow citrus
yeah true
fallow citrus
I wonder then
twilit canyon
deck feels super sauceless
fallow citrus
maybe it is just because it's modern ported to legacy with slightly better cards
you get duals, esg, ssg and fow
twilit canyon
maybe im also just setting too high a bar in expectations but in any case it just feels really mid
||
zinc shard
||At Knifepoint looks like a fun buildaround||
lusty trench
||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/121573417638979584...
||IS THAT THE LORD AND SAVIOUR PLAGUE RATS IN GREEN?||
trail anvil
||magebane lizard actually looks so fun||
glad peak
||magebane lizard is sick and I love him||
||reckless lackey was so close to being good, removing one of those keywords and swapping p/t would’ve been great||
glad peak
Nah I don’t play modo much
rich bronze
Paper only?
glad peak
Mostly paper magic, local scene is great
rich bronze
Fair
glad peak
LA has so many modern players and a lot of good magic players
glad peak
I’m always on murktide
glad peak
In testing I play whatever’s given to me, last couple I played was yawg, Titan, and trash pile creature combo
rich bronze
Mhm
I like playing zoo a lot because they’re something very pleasing about dropping a 3/3 turn 1 and 5/5 turn 2
glad peak
I don’t really like the zoo matchup depending on the build, high rolling scion to make me have it and then lose a 2 for 1 feels bad unless I also high roll an early heat
glad peak
Depends on the build, I’ve seen all types
I’ve seen scam being shoved into the leyline zoo deck too
rich bronze
Depends on the build, I’ve seen all types
What I’m on ( and it’s stock )
rich bronze
I’ve seen scam being shoved into the leyline zoo deck too
Bad idea
Scion doesn’t show
For some reason
glad peak
Yep this definitely is zoo lol
rich bronze
But yeah there’s 4
glad peak
Pick your poison is a pretty pretty good card in the matchup in my testing
For zoo at least
rich bronze
Very much so
glad peak
But idk if zoo needs more slots vs murktide since I think the strategy itself is decent/solid vs murktide
Oh wait no you’d definitely still want it
If you have a bad start and they can go into blood moon you’re gonna want that option to play through it
glad peak
Yeah very good card in general not just vs murktide
Trash pile combo is funny but I wouldn’t suggest playing it
It’s just worse yawg: has to play more colors just for the combo and needs more cards to combo than yawg
rich bronze
Also wait @glad peak don’t both zoo and murktide both technically fall under the same archetype
Of “counter cat” tempo
wild
glad peak
Yep
I like zoo too but haven’t tested much of it with leyline
Curving out feels great but I liked the one with 6-8 counterspells main back when the counterspells vs cascade debate was happening
rich bronze
I like zoo too but haven’t tested much of it with leyline
The deck plays 2 broken cards with Leyline in the name now
Actually heh
glad peak
I actually haven’t played with repulsive mutation, how is it?
rich bronze
Very good
When you always have a fattie on board
And all colours
It’s a counterspells with upside
glad peak
I guess you can call this deck leyline tribal lol
Just like you can call murktide dragon tribal
Drc and shredders are close enough and drc even has dragon in the name
rich bronze
oh right darcie lol
Whatcha think happens on Monday btw
I’m 60% sure outburst goes
rich bronze
“Murktide wasn’t performing so we’re buffing it” <:KEKW:622347587516628993>
Cruise unban
And DTT
glad peak
Seriously though I’d like outburst to go and maybe a hit to titan
rich bronze
Seriously though I’d like outburst to go and maybe a hit to titan
What would you hit in titan tho
glad peak
There’s the problem, do I hit a win con or something that facilitates things
rich bronze
Hit titan
glad peak
Summoner’s pact might be the way
rich bronze
glad peak
Hit all of the titans
Speaking of which I played against a sick brew where the deck was essentially explore control with grave titan and primeval titan
Was it good? No, but did I like it? Kinda
rich bronze
Ooo
Hey at least it’s fun
Also
Would a DTT unban
Single-handedly make murktide top 1
glad peak
DTT might take murktide out of murktide
rich bronze
Ye lol
glad peak
I’m greedy but not that greedy lol
If they get heavy handed and unban both twin and dtt then we have an actual problem
Speaking of, dtt unban might turn murktide into blue moon
zinc shard
||Wow I love Spree||
fallow citrus
||really like these deserts||
glad peak
||prairie dog is probably another hardened scales effect||
And is it just me or does it seem like ||theyre being too cute with spree||
||the + on the card suggests that they can add a - to remove abilities from a card||
trail anvil
||that would be an interesting notation for cleave||
||ghired looks super fun as a commander||
golden plover
||They really did just throw a bunch of random legends here. Ghired???||
||And Selvala and Kambhal||
barren cairn
wow
the mothman precon makes all boros voltron decks obsolete
because damn it gets to a two hit commander kill very quickly
of course i dared to play elves so my punishment was watching the rest of the game
what's a more subtle and bad elf commander that i can skate by with tbh
sudden lava
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948945646524710942/1215778455459860620/...
Ok Im loving the plot
OMG
||Big Ounce in magic?! 
||
And now I want this
molten iron
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948945646524710942/1215778455459860620/...
||Ghired|| would LOVE Bramble Sovereign
golden plover
They should have bring ante back for outlaws commander
rigid scarab
Bring ante back you cowards
I could honestly see a flavor of it
Maybe as a new type of battle
When you play it everyone exiles the top of their library
And everyone can fight it
Whoever kills it gets all the exiled cards
trail anvil
honestly that sounds really fun
I feel like that might change how you assign the defender too
sudden lava
||I like how now we got tri-brigade mtg style in that MTG is classifying outlaws as one thing among multiple creature types. ||
||Now can we get this but for rodents?||
zinc shard
Man did not realize there were so many Warlocks in Standard
sudden lava
twilit canyon
?
copper pecan
sloth typal when
twilit canyon
maybe some day
copper pecan
bloomburrow
twilit canyon
true!
sudden lava
sloth typal for bloomburrow (and capybara)
barren cairn
fallow citrus
beautiful
trail anvil
you really want that French vanilla synergy huh
lusty trench
He's not making it out of the east blue damn
My boy is struggling against the mf captain kuro
golden plover
If I capture Oko with [[Leyline Binding]] do I ramp 9 million
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Enchantment
Flash
Domain — This spell costs less to cast for each basic land type among lands you control.
When Leyline Binding enters the battlefield, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Leyline Binding leaves the battlefield.
trail anvil
tfw you can't even immediately cast atraxa with that mana smh
glad peak
If you capture oko with binding and then blink it over and over again can I ramp 9 million over and over again?
golden plover
Yeah I don't see why not
rich bronze
So uh
I bought 4 copies of the orzhov auras precon for pioneer
For a specific card
golden plover
What card
zinc shard
Thoughtseize?
trail anvil
did you wanna play orzhov auras in pioneer too
rich bronze
No
zinc shard
nice
rich bronze
copper pecan
woah
stark skiff
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/593643583664422913/1216728726855876669/...
the tolarian video on 3 Dog made me really wanna make that deck lol
trail anvil
I'm surprised I didn't see a blonde lady when I googled "violent outburst mtg"
fallow citrus
lmfao
trail anvil
what deck was that a part of, discover combo?
golden plover
Rhinos
rigid scarab
I was hearing they were scared of laelia or smth
golden plover
It's funny, they keep having to ban cascade stuff and then keep going "what if we print new cascade stuff"
trail anvil
ah
golden plover
I did like discover for the most part tho, it's "fixed cascade" outside of some uses
trail anvil
isn't it just cascade but you can run counterspells
golden plover
It's got more deckbuilding restrictions than cascade
It's also an ability you can respond to
It also starts at 3, which sorta fixes the cascade problem
fallow citrus
I was hearing they were scared of laelia or smth
absolutely not
outburst getting banned means you can't open a can of rhinos in your opps end step and just swing for free in your turn
also means you can't use fon to protect your rhinos now
and you have to do everything sorcery speed
with ardent plea and shardless
considering it was one of the highest performing decks since the last hits I can't say I'm shocked
also kills living end
which is a deck literally nobody likes
trail anvil
isn't it starting at 3 the whole fix?
fallow citrus
wdym
trail anvil
I did like discover for the most part tho, it's "fixed cascade" outside of some ...
.
should've replied
golden plover
isn't it starting at 3 the whole fix?
It's also a triggered ability
There's more room to respond
But starting at 3 is big too
A lot harder to abuse it
fallow citrus
bro has a little :)
lusty trench
Bro has Nomura belts as scales
trail anvil
that black scales w/ burning elements is my favorite aesthetic
lusty trench
The only thing I'm not super keen on about this design is that they have one arm coming out of their chest and the other where a shoulder would be
sudden lava
golden plover
Akul backwards is Luka
Lukka clearly survived and bonded with an Ikorian Scorpion Dragon
Interestingly, the only dragon card confirmed to be from Ikoria is [[Sprite Dragon]]
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golden plover
The only dragons in C2020 (can't believe Ikoria is almost 4 years old) are reprints
And almost every dragon in MOM is tarkir
lusty trench
Lukka clearly survived and bonded with an Ikorian Scorpion Dragon
Could you imagine
Like damn Id be pissed
rich bronze
I'm surprised I didn't see a blonde lady when I googled "violent outburst mtg"
How did you not know
What outburst is
golden plover
Hopefully we get a cool new bonder in Ikoria 2
rich bronze
It’s been a menace in modern forever
golden plover
Komi only plays Arena iirc
copper pecan
not everyone plays modern
rich bronze
but everyone knows about modern
twilit canyon
thats not true
golden plover
Modern has fallen off relatively hard tbh
The average MTG player probably only plays Commander and maybe arena formats
fallow citrus
Modern has fallen off relatively hard tbh
thank you wotc
glad peak
Pretty sad tbh
But with standard becoming almost the extended format and better decisions, that format’s feeling a bit more fun
golden plover
I like the idea of pioneer becoming the new modern if they stop neglecting it
twilit canyon
pioneer more neglected than modern
rich bronze
Fuck standard
golden plover
Yeah that's kinda the issue
Pioneer is fun when it's not neglected as hell
Hey at least we got like 2 new decks in the past few sets
rich bronze
I’m Yugioh brained in my absolutely irrational disdain for rotation
golden plover
3 if you count Rakdos vamps
rich bronze
Despite having played magic for far longer than Yugioh
golden plover
But... I'm pretty convinced Rakdos vamps is a one trick pony
golden plover
Once people get access to better answers the deck stops working
Like just kill the sorin on sight
All they can do after is throw looter scooter at you
rich bronze
Vein ripper is $45 locally
golden plover
But people see the big blood artist and go "oh Rakdos vamps so scary"
twilit canyon
vampire lists arent even playing all 4 copies of copter
golden plover
Yeah but they're also not playing anything other than vein Ripper that matters in the creature slot
It's just 1-2 drops that exist
twilit canyon
and they play archfiend of the dross
nah in general pioneer players are not cooking
anything
their decks all suck
and they are never optimized
its not their fault
the format itself is sauceless
golden plover
[[Preacher of the Schism]] is a fine card
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golden plover
And if you count Fable, the deck has creatures
But the deck folds to interaction
The amalia deck is way more real
rich bronze
and they play archfiend of the dross
I play it for the sick art
twilit canyon
preacher is a standard card
rich bronze
Tell me that isn’t cool
twilit canyon
it aint all that
golden plover
Archfiend is unplayable tbh
rich bronze
Oh shut the fuck up
twilit canyon
also preacher would further incentivize me to play copter
rich bronze
It’s amazingly cool art
golden plover
If my 4 drop makes me lose the game for the sake of getting +2/+2 I might as well be playing fucking auras
twilit canyon
its played for the 2nd life loss effect like
golden plover
Like when I tap out in Orzhov Auras to play a 6/6, it doesn't lose me the game
twilit canyon
curve vein ripper on t3 with sorin into this
golden plover
Yeah I'm aware of why he's played
twilit canyon
a creature dies u nuke 4 life but yeah
golden plover
But again, if sorin doesn't stick, it's useless
The deck is way too dependent on sorin sticking
Once people realize there's instant speed ways to remove a planeswalker, deck is gonna drop off hard imo
Wanted to win on t3? We had a deck for that. It's called Greasefang
golden plover
Maybe I'm just too Greasefang-brained but we at least have a backup plan if our rat dies
golden plover
Like we can hard cast esika's chariot and play, albeit from a disadvantage
If Sorin doesn't live, the vamp player dies
They're never gonna hard cast vein ripper
Hell, you can win the game t1 with a thoughtseize
twilit canyon
despite anything the vampire deck is doing
its not popping off as hard as phoenix is
rich bronze
But again, if sorin doesn't stick, it's useless
I mean
If they immediately -3 for vein ripper
Then kinda whatever
They have a fattie now
clever sun
I just don't understand why Pioneer decks all look like shit
golden plover
I mean
That's literally the only thing the deck does tho
And when you've got one single play, you're kinda not doing much
It's really just worse Greasefang
lusty trench
Pope I appreciate all this but please do not go off on vein ripper too much I have a pre release one I still don't know what I'm doing with yet
golden plover
Sell him before people retire the deck is bad
trail anvil
How did you not know
trail anvil
Komi only plays Arena iirc
I play commander too
golden plover
Couldn't remember if you did or not
twilit canyon
our ardent pleas stand strong
twilit canyon
my rhinos deny
my rhinos theorize
my rhinos cope
rich bronze
Also real talk
People talk about a twin unban
But why
When creativity exists
Would you play twin
golden plover
Print twin into standard, cowards
twilit canyon
would be useless and would further throw pioneer into the trash?
why would they do that
golden plover
I just wanna brew dumb memes with it in pioneer
It's like the only format it'd be remotely playable in
twilit canyon
we have untappers in pioneer im p sure it would just further push pioneer into more combo lists
rich bronze
twin would suck ass
No one would play it
When creativity is twin but better
As a deck
rich bronze
Also creativity is like the peak modern deck
As in
It showcases the format
5 colour manabase
Running every fetch in existence
But also it’s all mountains
Sequences include playing two busted walkers t2 and t3 across 4 different colours and pressing the “I win” button next turn
Featuring: 1 mana O-ring.
yep modern
fallow citrus
Twitter
lusty trench
Bout to hit 20p
fallow citrus
the cats didn't deserve it
sudden lava
my sample collector booster had a full art junk town and a foil full art blasphemous act
atomic harness
Sigh why'd they only hit one card and not bring anything back @twilit canyon 
Judging by the way they worded it fury isn't coming back anytime soon
grief turbo is still ok ig 
twilit canyon
yeah im not sure what they were cooking with this one
my guess is they plan to do one last bnr right before mh3
hitting yawg and titan
cus both yawg and titan had bad match ups into rhinos and they both put up some insanely good win rates
despite this bad match up
atomic harness
cus both yawg and titan had bad match ups into rhinos and they both put up some ...
ya this might be the case?
fallow citrus
yeah im not sure what they were cooking with this one
they weren't cooking it was more like a microwave meal
rich bronze
I need a definitive list
Of cards that would be hard for ygo players to evaluate
rigid scarab
Just get cards only good because of another specific card
I think the bigger challenge would be finding cards that a skilled yugioh player is able to correctly evaluate
fallow citrus
golden plover
Tbf no magic player got aurelia's fury right either
golden plover
The Naya desert commander is transmasc
And from New Capenna
Yuma is now the second named trans character (not counting the DnD ones because they don't really count)
trail anvil
third
second was the azorius kaldheim planeswalker
technically more if you count aetherborn
pulsar talon
Of cards that would be hard for ygo players to evaluate
Ok lemme try evaluating these since my total mtg experience is completing the tutorial on arena
Not considering stuff like "this is bad because there's a card that's like this but better"
Wolf: seems like a decent 1 drop, seems really good if you get to remove the counter for something else so it keeps coming back
Aurelia: Seems very good, it's an instant, a floodgate that can affect multiple players and be spot removal and/or a cheesy way to close off games
Skaab: 3 drop, 5/6, flying, can come back forever, maybe gaining value from exiling, sounds pretty good
Time reversal: bad card on its own, not sure if you can loop it however, there's probably some degen shit you can do with it, but it doesnt seem amazing in a vacuum
Tibalt: seems to be in a similar spot as dark bribe, but its probably backfiring on you more often than not, a 2 mana counterspell is a 2 mana counterspell tho
Temporal mastery: doesnt this just read "untap your board"? Sounds pretty good, 7 mana doesnt even sound bad if you draw it in your opener
pulsar talon
Just get cards only good because of another specific card
And tbf that's true for literally any card game ever
zinc shard
So for Tibalts trickery, most of the time people were countering their own spells in order to spin into something bigger. That's what got the card banned in some formats
twilit canyon
all cards posted are bad outside of young wolf which is good in exactly 1 deck where it is used as part of a loop
ik temporal mastery was used before
same w time reversal
but they are mid
twilit canyon
needs to exile 3 creatures before you can cast it
glad peak
Not enough ways to get things into the grave early enough in most decks and the ones that can have more broken things they could be doing
pulsar talon
I guess mtg is less monster heavy
twilit canyon
not really
pulsar talon
Makes sense
twilit canyon
creatures are the best cards on average right now
twilit canyon
temporal mastery has been powercrept and was a worse version of an old card
[[timetwister]]
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twilit canyon
and the better versions of it is [[nexus of fate]]
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pulsar talon
I see
twilit canyon
its an unfair list
because none of those cards are good enough to be evaluated by today's game
glad peak
Yeah most of that list are cards magic players got wrong too lol
twilit canyon
aurelia's fury was "broken" right and then it did jack shit
mastery saw less play than [[terminus]]
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Sorcery
Put all creatures on the bottom of their owners' libraries.
Miracle 
(You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)
twilit canyon
the skab was worse than delver of secrets
5 mana to timetwister was never gonna be good
and then it got powercrept by [[echo of eons]]
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Sorcery
Each player shuffles their hand and graveyard into their library, then draws seven cards.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
The present is a matter of perspective.
pulsar talon
Is the entire list just stuff you get wrong from lack of context of the cardpool?
glad peak
Not necessarily but some of them yep
pulsar talon
Lovely
twilit canyon
its a bad list overall from a cursory glance bc a good chunk of them just arent/were never relevant
glad peak
I would put oko in it too because I remember a good chunk of people got it wrong too
glad peak
Oh yeah shelly was a huge one
twilit canyon
oh a good new one
glad peak
The one ring also
twilit canyon
horned loch-whale
fable
and reckoner bankbuster
hmmm what else
squirming emergence
that card got hype
glad peak
Is horned loch-whale good? The adventure side looks good and the creature side is classic control finisher but is it modern playable?
twilit canyon
whale is currently eating up standard
glad peak
Ah standard
twilit canyon
its one of those that id pick as a choice to go "hey this card seems busted"
glad peak
Yeah I should really play that one more
twilit canyon
standard got cavern of souls and azorius control is still good
glad peak
I haven’t really paid attention to the recent sets other than what could be modern playable so it went past me
Oh stupidest card to evaluate [[one with nothing]]
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glad peak
[[magic mirror]] was a card to evaluate too
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs less to cast for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a knowledge counter on The Magic Mirror, then draw a card for each knowledge counter on The Magic Mirror.
pulsar talon
Mtg has a max hand size?
glad peak
7
pulsar talon
Huh
barren cairn
i guess i'm collecting kaya planeswalkers now
since i have 4
without even intending to get them
i pulled two out of packs, one i got from a draft, one i traded for
atomic harness
Kaya is nice
barren cairn
Kaya is nice
Ye
I have uhhh
spirit's justice, intangible slayer, bane of the dead, and orzhov ursurper
golden plover
second was the azorius kaldheim planeswalker
Oh right, counting NB characters there's actually 9 named (Hallar, Ashiok, Allaru, Yaheeni ((Gonti too technically but they used he/him in their one story appearance)) Nikko, and Xantcha)
Although Xantcha is technically another transfemme character too (since her original body was genderless and she decided to present female)
But it's interesting there's a lot of named NB characters, very few named transfemme characters, and only 1 (now) named transmasc character
trail anvil
was ashiok not born nb? I'm not familiar with their story beyond loving to torment people
copper pecan
we don't know ashiok's backstory
lusty trench
Ashiok has been in the "oooooh they've doing a thing in the background that's evillll" camp since their first release
We know so little about them because they've been built up for over a decade
twilit canyon
*they
ashiok is only referred to with they/them pronouns
originally not even referred with any pronouns
golden plover
Ashiok might be from an NB race, but they also might have chosen to be
We don't know
Gonti is sorta the only weird one rn
In that they've used he/him and they/them for Gonti
And their species is NB, but some aetherborn do choose a gender
They're coming back, so it's possible they might clear up their stance on Gonti soon
lusty trench
I'm surprised to see gonti in green tbh
golden plover
Aetherborn have only ever appeared in Dimir colors
Tbh, I could see aetherborn being in Dimir, Sultai, Mardu, or Esper colors
As long as they're primary black
lusty trench
I think seeing gonti in green represents the fact they're able to flourish more than most aetherborn due to their extended life span
twilit canyon
In that they've used he/him and they/them for Gonti
gonti could very well use he/they
golden plover
Yeah, I figure he/they is fairly accurate for Gonti
I guess we'll see when they get a side story
golden plover
I think seeing gonti in green represents the fact they're able to flourish more ...
Yeah but it's weird because the reason there is their artificial heart
I wouldn't really associate an artificial heart with green
Gonti feels more Esper than anything to me
lusty trench
Artifacts have been introduced more into green as of late
golden plover
Yeah for sure, but an artificial heart still doesn't really feel green
I dunno. I like Gonti so I'm cool with whatever they do with them
But I also don't really think they fit as Sultai
lusty trench
I'm not sure how well a thief deck is going to go over amongst casual edh players
It'd be like if they made a stax precon
golden plover
I'd kill for a stax precon
I'd love an Azorious or Esper precon that's just "suck it up nerds"
Or Mardu, I do play Ghen stax as my "off" cedh deck after all
Super fun to turn off blood moon during my turn and then bring it back when it's theirs
lusty trench
The closest they'll do for stax in precons is goad
golden plover
Yeah true
But I want official stax endorsement
And reprints of stuff like [[Winter Orb]] and [[Stasis]] in a modern frame
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Enchantment
Players skip their untap steps.
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Stasis unless you pay .
lusty trench
Idk just make a $40 erriette deck with approach as the wincon
golden plover
Oh Stasis has one but it's not it's good art
My Ghen's wincon is approach tbh
Well moreso the idea of Approach
lusty trench
My eriette either wins via approach or surprise voltron
golden plover
If I lock the game out, I go "btw I've got approach in here and I'll win off that + the lock"
lusty trench
(light paws is a dumb card)
golden plover
I've never actually won off approach
But I've won off the bringing up that I've got approach
No one wants to play it out
trail anvil
I'm not sure how well a thief deck is going to go over amongst casual edh player...
is a theft deck really that controversial?
I always find it pretty funny when they rip something off the top idk
then again I also defend mill so
lusty trench
Theft is controversial cause it's the two fold of "someone else is touching my cards for an extended period" + "they are using my cool good cards against me and that makes me mad"
twilit canyon
u can simply stop playing good cards + have gross sleeves so that ppl dont want to take ur stuff
lusty trench
Ah the yujo friendship approach
sudden lava
trail anvil
again everyone forgets about niko aris
twilit canyon
and ashiok
and gonti
and jace
fuck it im on the transmasc jace train
it makes a certain subset of ppl very upset
trail anvil
weren't we just speculating about whether ashiok was cis nb or not smh
twilit canyon
ashiok doesnt fall under our defined gender roles and without any other context of their species we have no reason to think they wouldnt also be genderqueer
twilit canyon
very true
rich bronze
I am going to murder mengucci, in real life
Creativity just became good after VO got banned
Instantly shoving orvars everywhere
lemme play creativity in peace
fallow citrus
can hardly say I'm surprised he's siding for it
urban crane
Any of these be good in Mirko?
golden plover
Weird...
Thunder Junction was uninhabited and then 2 years later it's randomly cowboy plane
hidden ermine
Why did everyone decide to be a cowboy there?
subtle sierra
It sounded cool
golden plover
Why did everyone decide to be a cowboy there?
Yeah that's my issue. Like if there were native cowboys it'd have been fine
Feels like they overcorrected the whole displacement of natives issue too hard with this one
Because the MOM to WOE timeskip was like 2 years
twilit canyon
Why did everyone decide to be a cowboy there?
if u had a choice why wouldnt u become a cowboy
golden plover
Feels really weird to try and do a cowboy plane without noticing the issues that inherently come from the time period and culture this way
hidden ermine
if u had a choice why wouldnt u become a cowboy
It wouldnt be my first thought at least
golden plover
Apparently the first travelers there were from Ravnica and New Capenna
There's no reason for cowboy outfits then
Everyone should just be dressed in city clothes
trail anvil
it happens when a town isn't large enough to contain 2 people
or at least 2 very specific people
golden plover
No natives also explains the really forced amount of returning characters
The new story added Gisa, Geralf, Kaerveck, Breeches, Malcolm, and Eriette
And Vraska came back without any explanation
Really weird
lusty trench
Gisa and Geralf? They must hate it there
No designated graveyards, it's hot as shit, no laboratories set up
golden plover
I'm not sure the whole "no natives" thing is working for me when it feels like a really forced way to put a ton of prior legends in the same set
lusty trench
Surely they would stay on innistrad where there's fresh fucked up corpses to experiment on?
Especially since the phyrexian invasion
golden plover
Outside of Annie, Akul, and Yuma, every person we've seen on the plane was already an established character
Feels really weird they all randomly went to the same place and went "it's cowboy time"
twilit canyon
golden plover
Definitely should have had some natives, who were just cowboys and never acknowledge the whole colonialism thing
Or not be cowards and acknowledge it
Because it kinda comes with the setting
copper pecan
you'd be complaining about them doing that instead if they did
no offense but i don't think i've ever seen you say anything positive about this game ever
hidden ermine
Eh I do kinda agree with pope here
golden plover
I mean, I'd be fine with them acknowledging natives. Wouldn't have been a big issue
hidden ermine
Having a cowboy plane is cool but its really made weird lore-wise by the fact that theyre all newcomers to the plane
golden plover
It's honestly way more fucky to completely disregard them
Like even if the natives were all cowboys it's whatever
hidden ermine
Like I would've expected a plane made only from outsiders to look like a mix of very different visual styles
golden plover
Yeah same
hidden ermine
Instead of everyone deciding to align themselves to an aesthetic that ... Im not sure where it comes from?
golden plover
Like I think the death race thing being all outsiders makes sense
They're all just gonna look like how they usually look
hidden ermine
Like the Doylian explanation here is easy, they wanted a cowboy plane
I struggle to make a Watsonian explanation
golden plover
Everyone showing up to an empty plane and 2 years later just dressing like cowboys is... Weird?
It's definitely an attempt to overcorrect the colonialism issue way too hard
Which if you don't wanna acknowledge that... Don't do a cowboy plane
hidden ermine
Eh I dont think you need the colonialism angle for a cowboy plane
golden plover
It's kinda hard to completely disregard it for a cowboy story
Not impossible, but not easy
twilit canyon
its not their place to bring it up
golden plover
Then the plane choice was wrong then
hidden ermine
Not really? Its just the aesthetic
twilit canyon
they also clearly want a light-hearted set theme
hidden ermine
You dont need natives for conflict, you can do it between cobwoys
golden plover
I like the idea of cowboy plane, but this is a weird cop out
twilit canyon
cobwoys
golden plover
I'd have been fine with it just never being mentioned and there just already being cowboys here tho
hidden ermine
I think the biggest issue I have
Is if the plane was uninhabited before
... what does anyone even want there?
golden plover
The issue is that all these Ravnicans, Dominarians, and Capennans randomly showed up and went "cowboys"
hidden ermine
Its a shitty desert
golden plover
There's some form of MacGuffin Akul is after
But yeah, there's no reason for everyone to just wanna hang out in an empty desert
I'm sure we'll get a Fomori reveal or something
trail anvil
Is if the plane was uninhabited before
outlaws?
golden plover
Chapter 6 will end with a "oh btw there's Fomori stuff here"
And then that'll be all we see of Thunder Junction
trail anvil
literally the perfect cowboy setup smh it's a criminal den plane
twilit canyon
everyone we have seen so far has been some sort of criminal
hidden ermine
literally the perfect cowboy setup smh it's a criminal den plane
Normally criminal dens are found where there is crime worth committing and/or is hard to get to
golden plover
Wait Kaerveck is from a desert plane too. Why'd he switch to cowboy outfits?
hidden ermine
Judging by the amount of people on this plane the latter doesnt seem to be the case and the former isnt either?
twilit canyon
on the run id guess
trail anvil
^
trail anvil
well you see, wide-brimmed hats are practical for blocking out the harsh sun
golden plover
You also need regular people for a town. They can't all be criminals
hidden ermine
I mean it doesnt super bother me
trail anvil
and then they just found a lesbian on the plane, so everyone started wearing collared shirts and vests
hidden ermine
But yeah idk I feel this plane being entirely uninhabited and everyone deciding to adopt the same aesthetic and the magic guns
It just feels weird
golden plover
Should've been that it was part of the Capenna wasteland tbh
twilit canyon
yeah this was 100% they wanted a cowboys set and decided u know what lets be silly about it
golden plover
Like 95% of New Capenna is ruins
Would've made way more sense to set the cowboy area in the outskirts of the city as "people are exploring the ruins"
Honestly.... That would have solved every issue
twilit canyon
at least we know the 1st instinct of the denizens of the magic planes is to get wide brimmed hats, vests, and guns when in an american desert expanse type location
golden plover
Tbh there's so many planes we should be seeing the rest of the world of
Like the 75% of Innistrad across the sea we've never seen
lusty trench
Imagine if the soul of the plane just telepathically went "ooooo you want to be a cowboy oooooo rootin tootin oooooo"
golden plover
Oh right... Forgot about plane souls
Whatever happened to that lore piece?
There were like 5 and then they forgot about it
Nissa used to be able to talk to them
twilit canyon
soul of the plane better come around with a big old iron and the widest brim
golden plover
She could specifically tell the one on Amonkhet was being abused by Bolas
I think that's the last time they brought up the plane souls
twilit canyon
that was also the last time nissa was relevant more or less
trail anvil
clearly the one on bloomburrow is a teenager on tumblr
lusty trench
soul of the plane better come around with a big old iron and the widest brim
It's doug dimmadome, owner of the dimsdale dimmadome
hidden ermine
Nah
trail anvil
had fursonas rawrin and ready to go for jace and ral
hidden ermine
Everyones hats are way too short
twilit canyon
^
golden plover
@lusty trench btw we had a moment of "Ashiok mentioned, they've got bigger plans" again
hidden ermine
I do love Bloombarrow though
hidden ermine
I am hoping they give us a good variety of animals
lusty trench
<@657540110950334465> btw we had a moment of "Ashiok mentioned, they've got bigg...
That's the lore I know and love
twilit canyon
hidden ermine
By that I mean, give me bees
golden plover
They put together the heist and that's it
And yeah, I'm excited for Bloomburrow and Duskmorne
twilit canyon
By that I mean, give me bees
i want a bloomburrow hollow knight crossover now
hidden ermine
I think hollow knights aesthetics clashes with Bloomburrow
golden plover
That's the lore I know and love
You gotta make another wandering emperor meme for Ashiok of just "has plans" and then nothing
hidden ermine
But I do want bugs
golden plover
I think we'll see at least a few
Would be cool if it's Grist's native plane
She's got a native plane mentioned in the comics, but those aren't canon since Jace is a ghost and Niv is a cyborg
sudden lava
I hope bloomburrow has capybara
copper pecan
grist is confirmed to not be in bloomburrow
golden plover
Damn
lusty trench
What do the people of bloomburrow eat
Cause I'd imagine life is difficult for the carnivorous
Morally I mean
golden plover
Bojack rules: Don't think about it
fallow citrus
What do the people of bloomburrow eat
idk beastars covered that topic already
lusty trench
idk beastars covered that topic already
dark
copper pecan
prediction: they will put glup shitto in thunction
golden plover
Near little Annie development side story
Weirdly, her real name is a Navajo name
sudden lava
Twitter
strong quartz
There is a different breed of cat that would have been more appropriate
But this is probably the artists cat
sudden lava
Such an ugly little goober, love em ❤️
lusty trench
Order it from europe or something it's like $350 here
stark skiff
Order it from europe or something it's like $350 here
Pump and dump time
I still have mine but I thought it was at like $240 still or whatever.
lusty trench
I honestly don't get the hype behind confetti foils mainly cause I think the only one that looks good in it is rhystic, but ig it is a special foiling
stark skiff
Rhystic went up to $500 after being at $400 for a bit too
atomic harness
Rhystic went up to $500 after being at $400 for a bit too
sell now my son
stark skiff
sell now my son
I don’t have Rhystic yet 
atomic harness
urban crane
What’s everyone’s favorite universes beyond that’s currently released
modern minnow
just farewell the voja i dont see the problem
golden plover
Imagine if other format players talked like EDH ones do
"Your infect deck killed me on t3? That's against the spirit of the game"
stark skiff
~~Average Edh player~~
You’re just one of the gross power gamers
golden plover
Lmao I hope that becomes a copypasta
rigid scarab
~~Average Edh player~~
Honestly if you look beyond online tabletop the average edh player I come across isn't this opposed to strong decks
But then again in IRL rule 0 takes a lot more precedence
golden plover
just farewell the voja i dont see the problem
Wait holy shit it was actually voja?
I read the thread and you're right lmao
I thought you were joking
[[Voja]]
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golden plover
[[Voja, Jaws of the Conclave]]
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Legendary Creature — Wolf
Vigilance, trample, ward 
Whenever Voja, Jaws of the Conclave attacks, put X +1/+1 counters on each creature you control, where X is the number of Elves you control. Draw a card for each Wolf you control.
5/5
golden plover
This guy fucking sucks
modern minnow
tbf i think that there is some truth in silly edh discourse but theres no real point in getting super mad at it
rigid scarab
Like when playing online edh I do see a lot of people who outright will masquerade their deck and just lie
Which
If you prioritise getting a dub over getting good relations in a casual format
You do you
I'm not gonna lie and say the people comically overreacting to strong cards and decks don't exist
But the stereotype of 'casual edh players are whiners' is not at all progressive, or true for that matter
granite badge
the fundemental problem with edh is it was designed as a casual format, but theres been so much of a push to make it a competitively viable format that its been split in half
just in general the needs of commander conflicts with the needs of 1v1 formats a lot
so we consistenly see a lot more extremely flashy and bomb effects in sets that come off more explosive and impactful compared to a while back where cards were designed more simpler because you didn't need to go overboard to make a card people would consider running
rigid scarab
People throw around the idea of 'make a cedh banlist and a casual banlist'
That doesn't solve the issue at all
I think casual edh is probably best when your in a friend group
modern minnow
i do not see a world where a seperate banlist does not result in cedh 2
sudden lava
What’s everyone’s favorite universes beyond that’s currently released
doctor who
golden plover
Unrelated, is there anything preventing us for getting a "Partner" commander and a "Partner With" commander that go together?
Like say Rin gets "Partner" but Seri gets "Partner with Rin"
trail anvil
how dare you imply rin would partner with anyone but seri 
golden plover
Note this is theoretically for the sake of A Wanderer printed later that partners with Yoshimaru
Also consider tribal partners
Like a Voja with Partner With Elf
And a Tolsimir with Partner With Wolf
sudden lava
Unrelated, is there anything preventing us for getting a "Partner" commander and...
there isnt
golden plover
But Rory also has that specific partner variant
sudden lava
Amy Pond has a partner mechanic (doctor's companion) and partner with Rory
golden plover
I'm talking Yoshimaru and something like The Wanderer partnering specifically with them
sudden lava
oh you mean like partner with a creature that normally doesnt have it?
I guess you could
trail anvil
sounds a tiny bit awkward considering partner usually lets you search the other half on etb, so only one half would be able to fetch (heh, ironic)
trail anvil
meant to say partner with*. partner can't fetch, partner with can
trail anvil
when do y'all typically drop wincons like felidar sovereign in edh? I was thinking about waiting out resources but I was also running gluntch group hug so that wasn't really a thing
twilit canyon
t2-3 and then win that turn
stark skiff
Just infinite turn 2 or scoop
trail anvil
just slam that shit?
copper pecan
l + ratio + skill issue
barren cairn
going to take apart shalai and halar
and probably stop my soldier build
and i imagine i'll probably also stop building tor wakui
sudden lava
Secret Lair MLP bonus card is now known (people have been receiving their order)
Oh I love this, card is weak but like that's a 10/10 on flavor
hidden ermine
This card is basically unusable without Scryfall isnt it
pulsar talon
How do you even call a random name?
sudden lava
How do you even call a random name?
scryfall random button
pulsar talon
Is scyfall official?
sudden lava
Nah, but this is an un-card so just for fun games anyways
pulsar talon
This is so fucking funny
sudden lava
waxen timber
Imagine your playgroup letting you play this then, you hit into some like sharizad or an ante card
pulsar talon
wait do you not need to have the card in your hand/library/whatever?
it just pops up?
pulsar talon
huh
sudden lava
which is peak flavor
copper pecan
i feel like they could probably make this effect in alchemy without changing it at all
golden plover
That's the most hearthstone effect possible
trail anvil
hey back alley barkeep was an lor card
twilit canyon
alchemy cards are designed better than that
trail anvil
careful everyone at avoiding spoilers if you wanna solve the riddle yourselves, 2 new clues w/ codes just went up
if you don't wanna bother the answers are ||izoni|| and ||murdered||
fallow citrus
this is that good content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP2IHJJu9NI
golden plover
Neat story
But there's a really weird retcon: Kamigawa tech works off-plane now
It was canon that Kamigawa tech was powered by the energy from kamis and they didn't work off-plane
twilit canyon
omenpaths are a gateway to many abilities