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atomic harness
Best theyre gonna get is just a food token right then you goob him
atomic harness
oo
atomic harness
trail anvil
hey it does make them larger bodies lol
twilit canyon
when in doubt...
protean war engine is trying its best to look like smugglers copter
big lands
but i unfort dont think this is viable (yet)
trail anvil
[[bump in the night]]
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Sorcery
Target opponent loses 3 life.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
It's not just the wind. It's not all in your head. And it's definitely something to worry about.
trail anvil
why ronin here out of curiosity?
twilit canyon
best 1 mana 2 power we have p much
last deck. this one i brewed for my sister tho since shes busy all day today
yall this format is gonna slap holy ship
*shit
trail anvil
fuck I remember playing song of creation in that standard that was fun
golden plover
twilit canyon
fuck I remember playing song of creation in that standard that was fun
play this deck
it will feel like an actual card
trail anvil
okay but consider:
I don't have the wildcards
I'm not even gonna have it for fetches probably
day 1 I'm probably playing some shit like temur
or just trolling with nexus
twilit canyon
no fetches will be insanely tough fr
trail anvil
oh that's the first thing I'm crafting lol
wait are we getting the zendikar fetches or just khans
twilit canyon
just khans fetches
also quick psa for fetches: if u have to run off-color fetches, play the ones that match your most important basic(s) for blood moon
meager isle
I assume person searching chooses
golden plover
day 1 I'm probably playing some shit like temur
Is temur not just busted?
You've got Oko, Uro, Ragavan
Then whatever else you can fit in there. Field, Rec, Bolt ig
Sounds like Temur is the easy best deck
golden plover
Do you need it? You've got pure value
golden plover
idt oko will be busted here
0 fucking chance he's not
Like actually 0 chance
Unless there's some insane alchemy hoser for him
twilit canyon
[[unholy heat]]
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twilit canyon
hed be bad in legacy rn
golden plover
Consistently
golden plover
No fetches yet tho, right?
And I'm not sure that's enough to have to guarantee you see all those pieces every time
golden plover
Oko was in the same standard as [[Fry]] which was designed to hose him
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golden plover
And it still didn't
golden plover
Yeah he does uptick one out of fry
But I still think there's no way he's not insane
twilit canyon
he wont be bc the format doesnt lend well well to him
creatures in this format are highly efficient and go way below
golden plover
He's been legal in several other formats exactly like that before he died
twilit canyon
oko is great at trading with mv 3+
golden plover
Oko is also great at blanking threats
twilit canyon
oko has never existed vs ragavan obm drc
golden plover
Anything that was more than an etb is irrelevant to oko
twilit canyon
oko sees no play in vintage rn
golden plover
I don't think this format is gonna be vintage level strong tho
No power 9, none of the crazy resevered list cards
twilit canyon
its supposed to be
golden plover
Yeah but it's missing a ton of things that make vintage as powerful as it is
sleek ferry
Oko isn’t even the best card from his set
twilit canyon
once upon or veil might be better
sleek ferry
OUAT def, for some reason I was thinking uro/kroxa were eldraine but that was theros
golden plover
I think Once is close and it's more problematic of a design, but I think Oko is more broken
sleek ferry
That whole time period is a blur to me since standard was pretty ass during those days
golden plover
Once was a problem and got banned a lot of places quickly, but Oko made all the formats the same elk slog for a while until they banned him everywhere
sleek ferry
But, if we include set before and set after, I would say both uro and kroxa, t3feri, Karn all clear
golden plover
Oh nah, Kroxa is nowhere near as busted
Or T3f/Karn
Uro is up there and Karn and T3f are problems
But Oko is the best Planeswalker ever printed
twilit canyon
its worth noting oko had a terrible winrate in the almost no bans event
sleek ferry
I would again disagree with that
golden plover
Also, looking at Vintage lists, it looks like anything that's in his colors that's not immediate combo runs 4 Oko
twilit canyon
also current best walker is minsc and boo
golden plover
They're up there, but I'd say it's still Oko for versatility
Oko is an insane card with a ton of value from all his modes, especially the elk one
twilit canyon
i dont disagree that oko is good
sleek ferry
Yeah, I’m not saying oko sucks
But I think oko is looked at through rose tinted glasses for how broken he was for its time
I would say he’s overrated
twilit canyon
more importantly, i think its worth noting this format hes going into
he doesnt has force of will to defend him on cast
he has no mana rocks to attack your mana base and the threats he targets are smaller than him so his removal is worse
minsc and boo are legal but so are absurd combo cards like breack dark rit and storm cards
*breach
golden plover
Huh I could have sworn force was on arena
golden plover
I guess that's fair. I think he'd still be worth trying tho. I'd try it if it didn't cost like $100 to build a deck in arena
Although I'd probably just wanna build kethis or ballista first
I just wanna play banned pioneer decks lmao
sleek ferry
you could just grind dailies, it takes like an hour or less to bang them out
I still have not put money into this game in 3+ years of playing this game
golden plover
Yeah but that's like a week's worth of dailies for a draft
I like deck building and the issue is that to have enough extra cards to try new decks, you can't just do that
twilit canyon
I just wanna play banned pioneer decks lmao
not viable to timeless tbh
golden plover
Wait ballista isn't on arena???
The fuck
I figure kethis combo would be playable but ballista combo was a modern deck and should totally be fine
hidden ermine
Whats timeless?
golden plover
Wait what's good enough in timeless to prevent historic decks?
Other than like dark ritual and bolt?
hidden ermine
Huh
golden plover
I do still wish they'd finally give us the rest of pioneer tbh
It's still only like 20 cards
sleek ferry
explorer with karn gone should be super interesting
golden plover
I am interested to try greasefang with it and looter scooter
I had to cash out of pioneer irl because I moved
sleek ferry
people were already playing greasefang so I'm sure it hasn't lost anything
golden plover
But it'd be so easy to finish adding pioneer come on wotc
Greasefang was good for sure, yeah
This just lets it have one less bad matchup and one new card to test
Although I don't think we play looter scooter
sleek ferry
I'm trying out gruul aggro rn, but there's a few things I need to adjust
golden plover
Doesn't win us the game tho
sleek ferry
I wonder if there's a viable mill deck I can make in explorer
golden plover
Probably not. There's not enough mill stuff in Pioneer
You could play rogues I guess?
sleek ferry
eh was looking for golgari mill
twilit canyon
mill doesnt exist in pioneer
sleek ferry
damn, and here i wanted to play around with [[the everflowing well]]
[[the everflowing well]]
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When The Everflowing Well enters the battlefield, mill two cards, then draw two cards.
Descend 8 — At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are eight or more permanent cards in your graveyard, transform The Everflowing Well.
The Myriad Pools
Legendary Artifact Land
(Transforms from The Everflowing Well.)
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Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by The Myriad Pools, up to one other target permanent you control becomes a copy of that spell until end of turn.
golden plover
Has anything came out since BRO greasefang plays?
rich bronze
Has anything came out since BRO greasefang plays?
something did come out yesterday
|| out of the banlist, that is ||
golden plover
Honestly not sure we play looter scooter
Might try 1-2 but I dunno
It doesn't win you the game
rich bronze
For a blinged out purrely deck
Also
Do I?
Price wise, it’s a fair trade, even in my favour a bit
golden plover
I think 1-2 is probably ideal, since it helps with early game issues
rich bronze
Yeah not a 4 of
golden plover
But reanimating looter scooter doesn't kill them
rich bronze
I wonder if the % of ygo players that participate in the market by actively trading
Is lower than it is for magic players
Possibly due to the relatively higher price of playing the latter
At least on a per-deck basis
Meaning you’re exposed to the market more
trail anvil
u dont have dem tutor or dark rit
isn't tutor banned
trail anvil
I was thinking more obm, thoughtseize for sultai
ig
also idk I think ragavan, unnerfed drc and unholy heat are pretty sweet cards in midrange
drc with uro sounds pretty nice
fallow citrus
For a blinged out purrely deck
how blinged out are we talking
last glen
Is this meaningfully better than strike
trail anvil
this card looks fuckin nuts too, classic sac and draw or you can just loot if you don't have the fodder
twilit canyon
yes
last glen
Are these part of the next standard set?
trail anvil
it feels weird to have an optional effect this late in the game
yeah these are murders at karlov manor reveals
sphinx's revelation on a weird body
sleek ferry
There’s probably better uses than anvil
I love anvil, but I think its seen its day in standard
Any Eldrazi decks for timeless @twilit canyon ? Or is the meta way too fast for that
barren cairn
I think it's supposed to be a case file?
sleek ferry
Yeah, I get what they were going for
barren cairn
Or something like that
sleek ferry
But its awkward
Yeah
Case files
Looks like the type you find in resident evil games
fallow citrus
ohh geardrake is cool
sudden lava
I didnt realize we got actual reveals today
fallow citrus
could definitely do some grixis anvil stuff with it
sudden lava
besides the box reveals
trail anvil
fallow citrus
destroy evil cranked up there
trail anvil
I think this was meant to be a stand-in for when wanderer rotated
might still run this at least in bo1 for small bodies that you don't want hitting the grave
twilit canyon
Any Eldrazi decks for timeless <@480437470870110209> ? Or is the meta way too fa...
too fast and not enough support
barren cairn
Wait where is this in lol
trail anvil
the Clue UB set
sudden lava
Murders at Karlov Manor
barren cairn
the Clue UB set
The board game?
trail anvil
yeah
barren cairn
fallow citrus
lmfao amazing
last glen
something something
wojak investigator
rich bronze
how blinged out are we talking
Quite, cardmarket low is north of 300
fallow citrus
suppose it depends on how willing you are to part with the savannah
the deck is in low tier 1 right now, don't think it's going to get hit but yugioh has its banlist moments so who knows
rich bronze
suppose it depends on how willing you are to part with the savannah
I have an English one
Which I play
This one sits in a binder
golden plover
https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Senator-Peacock-400x559....
The font on these looks so bad
golden plover
https://i.redd.it/mkm-dossier-showcase-weeklymtg-v0-tw97z2p2qi4c1.png?s=71f98717...
I like this style but it's gonna be annoying to read across the table. Hard to tell the color
fallow citrus
your choice then, not the worst deck you can pick up for sure
if you like the idea of midrange being able to drop a towers on someone
strong quartz
boros just went up a tier baybeeeee
Didn't we already have Helix
rich bronze
fun fact according to gavin OBM was supposed to be a common ( and otherwise identical to what it is now )
Paper ban speed?
lusty trench
Are disguise and identify suspect new mechanics?
trail anvil
common???
even if you kept it at digital strength that would be a really strong sideboard card on a common
barren cairn
Are disguise and identify suspect new mechanics?
I thought it'd be funny if it was just morph
But prolly not
sudden lava
this isn't mkm btw
oh?
zinc shard
Ah yes my favorite event, _________
trail anvil
oh man _ is so fun
fallow citrus
oh yeah ** ** is my favourite event
trail anvil
good pull from the free packs
rigid scarab
Ah yes my favorite event, _________
HELL YEAH IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
trail anvil
8inspector pauper time 
lusty trench
I assume this ravnica clue edition is just this sets jumpstart rebranded
twilit canyon
yoooooo
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lusty trench
Looks like ||teysa|| is the victim
copper pecan
reminder that list cards are being added to arena starting with this set
so we're getting crashing footfalls in historic
twilit canyon
no confirmation on footfalls actually
but i hope so
itd be a lot of fun in timeless
trail anvil
doesn't this break with discover?
twilit canyon
not particularly no
reason rhinos work in modern bc they have violent outbursts and shardless agent
3 mana cards
so your removal can be 3 mana
the discover deck in historic is technically stronger cus it has a better combo but its worse bc the interaction it has to run is a lot worse than in pioneer
in context of the format at least
twilit canyon
i give a bit of leeway for timeless since the format has a lot more chance to get some of the more powerful cards they avoid in other formats
ala shardless
twilit canyon
on the recent bug with plainscycling
clever sun
last deck. this one i brewed for my sister tho since shes busy all day today
Oh hey you put it together thanks
Uhhhh it looks good. I would say maindeck Veil but you don't have room
Also -1 Stonecoil for a second Hangarback
Card is honestly just better if your combo gets fizzled
I'd play all copies of it honestly and drop Stonecoil for the fourth Bonesaw
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lusty trench
Pre release dice are missing the number 16, the in person products have a number of mysteries to solve using the materials within
golden plover
Weird choice. Why 16
rich bronze
lol the timing with this
Provides scam as an example of a “best deck”, noting that despite Modern being in a “tier 0 meta” it still has 30+ viable archetypes.
fury banned that day
zinc shard
Ughhhh Double Eiganjo in the first 3 lands what are the odds
trail anvil
on the bright side in an emergency you can float the first one for 3 mana
looks like your opponent is playing an interesting deck lol
zinc shard
ye 4 color legends from what i can tell
fallow citrus
copper pecan
so what good cards for historic are in khans that weren't already in historic
i guess the charms and ascendencies
and cruise
twilit canyon
cruise dig stubborn denial
thats actually abou tit
*it
jeskai ascendency is the only one that has a chance
the charms are all solid but nothing all that crazy
copper pecan
i kinda want temur ascendency for hbrawl but other than that there isn't really much that stands out to me
twilit canyon
i thought tasigur and gurmag were in khans but they were both fate reforged so rip
copper pecan
gurmag would be cool
twilit canyon
bloodsoaked champ maybe okayge
copper pecan
oh that seems good
twilit canyon
oh deflecting palm
forgot thats ktk
rattleclaw mystic for hbrawl will be good ig
also they are gonna rename hbrawl
mantis rider will be a thing in some humans lists
maybe historic lets savage knuckleblade actually be relevant 
narset will most likely be a relevant commander
she also has a very slim but potential chance to be a control/combo topend wincon in timeless like how the velomachus turns deck worked
shes basically him but better bc hexproof
copper pecan
what are they renaming hbrawl to?
twilit canyon
unsure. but ian and a few other wotc employees mentioned it no longer fits the format
also forgot [[murderous cut]]
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trail anvil
timeless brawl maybe?
subtle sierra
define get into yugioh
you can easily build floo to a new person for around 30 euro
rich bronze
you can easily build floo to a new person for around 30 euro
I mean yeah the “floor” is lower I guess
The minimum you’d need for pio is
🤔
$200 ?
But if you’re considering the extra deck staples you’ll probably need
Yeah…
fallow citrus
hate
golden plover
Why does it not wrap all the way around
copper pecan
idk but norn must have hella neck muscles
twilit canyon
shes a freak like that
trail anvil
very tendon-y
sleek ferry
Would
barren cairn
sleek ferry
Buy it, prosper is based
glad peak
$31.48mander, much better format than commander
dense berry
still too expensive just proxy everything™️
trail anvil
good commander
sleek ferry
Prosper is very close to being cedh viable, maybe in 2 more years
sleek ferry
Eh we taking partners into account? I would prob still prefer Tevesh + Rograkh, also ob nix is nuts rn, and that’s just off the top of my head
trail anvil
doesn't prosper combo pretty reliably
maybe not infinite but I've seen it go crazy a ton
twilit canyon
Eh we taking partners into account? I would prob still prefer Tevesh + Rograkh, ...
both arent better than proper
*prosper
and yes prosper combos off for free
trail anvil
wow that's hilarious
barren cairn
maybe not infinite but I've seen it go crazy a ton
Ye I've faced commander prosper
Goes crazy
Deck is a decent base though I have to cut the secondary goad focused stuff
golden plover
twilit canyon
official mtg server has a deckbuilder challenge and this week its edh
so i built this
rigid scarab
This is just Thrasios Vial Smasher with bad cards 
Misty all 100 cards in the deck have to be exactly on the flavour I want in order to be considered good
twilit canyon
we need the mana
last glen
thought experiment
what is the most smokescreen-able color or color combination
especially for Pioneer
golden plover
Could play mono white humans and then smokescreen into orzhov
last glen
Would you put extra lands in the sideboard for that?
golden plover
I guess, that's what makes smokescreens hard in mtg
last glen
Asked elsewhere
They suggested a GW fog-heavy strategy as a base and then find two different fifteen card strategies
Could you smokescreen between Izzet Phoenix and a combo line?
atomic harness
does anyone miss fury 
zinc shard
No
trail anvil
no
twilit canyon
no
dense berry
fury is in my power cube so its not going anywhere for me
atomic harness
time to start bringing back solitude 😭
polar lake
what could wotc do to try and push 60 card formats again?
trail anvil
honestly I think mtg arena is their best effort so far
free to play, quick to find a game and they even run tournaments that award actual cash prizes
glad peak
Either that or edh channels follow through on their dislike for some of wotc’s commander push and make a transition to 60 card formats with similar ideas for their show
fallow citrus
what makes you say that
glad peak
I think you mean all formats are
sudden lava
Im guessing they wont reveal the last of the SL Who Regeneration cards till tomorrow?
fallow citrus
lol, lmao even
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/s/KqoFZtFflk
twilit canyon
this was expected. she played into 5 living end decks iirc
she had the most free road for scam pile into top cut
sleek ferry
Cascade decks were 19% of the decks repped… rakdos wasn’t highly represented… and people are bitching?
fallow citrus
Cascade decks were 19% of the decks repped… rakdos wasn’t highly represented… an...
cause people expected the deck to immediately become unplayable ig
and they dont wanna see it anymore
but like if rhinos became t0 because of this it'd just be the same bitching anyway
lusty trench
lusty trench
Im guessing they wont reveal the last of the SL Who Regeneration cards till tomo...
Here's the last who cards
sudden lava
we also have the bonus card to be seen, but this will do for now
copper pecan
[[crashing footfalls]]
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Sorcery
Suspend 4—
(Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Create two 4/4 green Rhino creature tokens with trample.
fallow citrus
depends on what formats it'll be legal in when it hits mtga
copper pecan
just historic and timeless probably
twilit canyon
all (historic + timeless) unless specified
fallow citrus
also is shardless not in arena
twilit canyon
yup
nor is outburst
discover stuff sure but its much weaker
and limits u way more
fallow citrus
ah yeah that sucks
twilit canyon
basically the discover stuff is way easier to play around
since u can counter magic the discover
tho tbf we may see a deck with bbe + the guy with footfalls
it will be way more tame
still any future special guest cards with cascade like shardless will be something to keep track of
and i will be trying something in timeless with the 2 mana delirium cascader
inti can probably let us do something with artifact lands and value enchantments to enable delirium
fallow citrus
delirium cascader?
fallow citrus
ohh I think ik
last glen
free gold in MTGA
dense berry
cedh is the king of passive aggressive malding
you mean casual edh right
rigid scarab
you mean casual edh right
A lot of cedh pods I've been in had lots of masked opinions as to what they think the optimal play is
I think more than casual cedh has a lot of mid game coaching
dense berry
cedh politics is a weird one for sure
because cedh is a format about winning and 99% of politics are about convincing opponents to throw in a way that benefits you
rigid scarab
Im of the opinion that like
Even with all the tournaments
cedh at the end of the day is still mainly a get-together have-fun format
Many people play cedh simply because they find it more fun
dense berry
its definitely still just a casual format
the ruleset is awful for actually hosting an event
trail anvil
I think more than casual cedh has a lot of mid game coaching
in regular edh I try to remind people of triggers tbh
I feel like the #1 priority is that people are having fun
dense berry
and the small community of cedh is a subsect of the casual edh community more so than the competitive constructed community
thats why at cedh tournaments you see people still declining to randomize their opponent's decks when presented
or asking to take back plays when introduced with new information
or even the fact that politics are allowed in the first place
trail anvil
twilit canyon
oops lol
zinc shard
funny thing is they could've lived
use the [[Moonsnare Prototype]] to tap Magda and make a treasure
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trail anvil
oh yeah lmao, but rip they didn't place a stop
I imagine they had to click "resolve" though no?
zinc shard
yea probably didnt see the line
twilit canyon
i believe tapping magda with prototype is a game-losing play anyways but that must have been something they forgot
twilit canyon
unfortunately we dont allow trading/selling of non-yugioh stuff on the server even in #marketplace_discussion so while this is all pretty cool we cannot allow it on the server @true bough
true bough
Alrighty
golden plover
Lmao at this upshift
Sure the card is like $10 now, but it sucks and it was rare last time
But now that it's $10, it's gotta be mythic
sleek ferry
Eh it’s a fine casual edh card
We’ve had way worse casual cards be worth a lot more money
lusty trench
Bro this isn't even Aurelia
What a strange way to find out Aurelia's eye colour though
golden plover
Yeah that's really weird
That looks nothing like her
Should've at least kept the flaming eyes
Oh man we're all in on the bulk mythics
Guess you better hope to hit shocks
Wait wasn't he a bulk mythic in double masters too?
Back to back
lusty trench
It's a remastered set
There's gonna be like
3-4 mythics worth more than the pack
And if cyclonic rift is the best they can offer for the mythic front... Yikes
fallow citrus
having more shocks in the market isn't going to hurt
fallow citrus
plus if they have new arts that's a draw too
lusty trench
Hopefully we get more good reprints to come
fallow citrus
I mean I didn't even know it was coming out lmao
lusty trench
I forgot about it too until a friend reminded me
twilit canyon
[[$breeding pool]]
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twilit canyon
[[$blood crypt]]
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twilit canyon
[[$steam vents]]
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twilit canyon
[[$temple garden]]
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twilit canyon
10 bucks is about the cheapest u get
and this is unaccpetable for basically 4 of lands for pioneer and modern
fallow citrus
oh very nice new art
lusty trench
That goat is straight up not having a good time
lusty trench
That anime one is very nice
dense berry
new japanese exclusive alt arts huh
i hope the overall quality is higher this time
there were a handful of good jp alts last time but you could tell they cheaped out on some of them
rigid scarab
Man seeing retro frame cards just makes me wish for a secret lair where they use funky wording again
last glen
this man wants to see "unify the graveyard and deck"
trail anvil
is khans as a set worth pulling packs of or should I just keep going with ixalan? I feel like most of the cards I'd want outside of fetches and the blue delve spells are ones I want 1-of
trail anvil
let's fuckin go it's time to build kami of the crescent moon irl now
stark skiff
getting reprinted? boy am i glad i sold mine lol
last glen
I feel like something has gone wrong
dense berry
hot take idc that seb is a dipshit antivax neo nazi i just dont like his art that much he goes off prompt fucking constantly and he's not Richard Kane Ferguson enough to make it work and thats why im hype for this announcement
twilit canyon
his art can work for some cards but i do agree i saw discourse over this in another magic server where someone expressed similar thoughts
dense berry
do you have a link to the actual twitter post i bet its an entertaining shit pit to say the least
twilit canyon
no unfort cus this screenshot was shared in the wotc server and they dont allow twitter links
dense berry
ah
shouldnt be too hard to find anyway
oh thats a funny development
they forgot to swap two of his arts
so he actually still is getting credited here
necropolis fiend and suspension field apparently
trail anvil
tried to bring nexus into timeless and my first match was vs izzet tempo with a spike avatar lol
twilit canyon
lol
golden plover
Damn, really wish Curio was a rare
Muddle is good at uncommon tho
Card was like $10 for a while
Technically it should have been common tho (it is pauper legal after all)
First hybrid old border
Thank god they didn't upshift deathrite
rigid scarab
First hybrid old border
FUCK GO BACK
golden plover
Wait what're the odds they upshift [[Dreadhorde Arcanist]]?
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golden plover
I'd wager it's like 50/50
rigid scarab
Hellkite Tyrant downshift
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golden plover
Just not in Commander Masters
Wait he wasn't in that set nevermind
What was the other Timmy Ravnica dragon
Lmao Ral at Mythic
rigid scarab
What was the other Timmy Ravnica dragon
Utvara Hellkite
golden plover
Card was bad in Dragon's Maze and has not improved since
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Utvara Hellkite
That one, yeah
golden plover
Hellkite Tyrant is a cool card
golden plover
Not a particularly good card, but you take all their rocks and kill them
God the EV on this set is so bad rn
You either pull a shock or it's not worth opening a pack
The rare slot feels so much better than the mythic slot since it doesn't have Ral in it lmao
What're the odds Mizzix ends up in the rare slot in her third time of "well the rares can't be too stacked"
golden plover
He's only ever had the one printing
golden plover
He's not like particularly crazy or anything, but he's a commander deck exclusive
Those things stay pricey until they get another print
[[Battleforged Blood Axe]] was like $20 for YEARS
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Spilled blood always begets more of the same.
lusty trench
rigid scarab
Super shocked to not see a mayhem devil upshift
golden plover
Honestly same but if they upshifted him it'd be over
Kinda wish Priest got a downshift
But I know she's a rare for draft purposes
fallow citrus
yoo a reprint of the best chord art
stark skiff
A $23 card
I wanted to play him as commander a couple months ago and he was $15 at the time. His judge was only 20. Now for some reason it’s 40 lol
twilit canyon
oh sheesh ppl are playing some truly mediocre shit in timeless lol
but otherwise this format is a ton of fun
lusty trench
I have confirmed don Andres is a fun af commander
golden plover
Oh right, I went to check out timeless and forgot this bullshit
This is a common?
Let me craft it with common wildcards
The fuck
golden plover
Anything worth more than $5 got upshifted
That includes muddle the mixture
Fuck it
Since apparently counterspell is a rare
clever sun
Missing Primeval Titan, Nexus of Fate?, more fetches and Yorion
golden plover
Oh I didn't realize Prime titan was in here
And I don't have the craftinf stuff for half of that
But I can go Yorion
clever sun
Should also do Memory Lapse, Swords to Plowshares, and Dig Through Time
golden plover
Unfortunately Swords is also a rare for dumb reasons
Still think those should all be craftable for common wildcards
I can do the Golos stuff for now tho
trail anvil
I feel like nexus as a deck is not super viable in timeless
maybe with veil of summers you can deal with all the blue in the format, but it feels pretty meh to me
fallow citrus
is grixis/dimir DS a deck in timeless
stark skiff
I have confirmed don Andres is a fun af commander
He looks fun. Didn’t know which pirate commander would be best
lusty trench
He looks fun. Didn’t know which pirate commander would be best
He's really bad as a pirate commander
lusty trench
As a general steal stuff commander though he's amazing
lusty trench
Roughly 7.92% chance per pack to have a shock
That's not awful tbh
And it doesn't account for the regular rare slot
This is where they say all collector packs have a guaranteed shock or something
stark skiff
Are they doing confetti foil again for the anime cards?
rigid scarab
Roughly 7.92% chance per pack to have a shock
Having 2 potential slots for shocks in Draft boosters is very good
copper pecan
yeah this is great for people who want shocks
trail anvil
is grixis/dimir DS a deck in timeless
I played against sultai but I have no clue what the green was doing
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1184286687887626280/...
did they not get rid of the draft booster yet?
copper pecan
this is the last set to have draft boosters
trail anvil
ah okay
rigid scarab
9 years.
twilit canyon
I thought mtg was the profitable side of hasbro damn
no one is immune to company layoffs
trail anvil
I guess, just seems illogical to me but idk
rich bronze
Pioneer RB cat cauldron is cheaper on MTGO than pauper caw gates
( ~120 tix vs ~125 tix )
lol wtf
rich bronze
Pioneer RB cat cauldron is cheaper on MTGO than pauper caw gates
Reason being that caw plays 4 prismatic strands ( $6 each ) 4 dust to dust ( $5 each ) and 10 blasts ( ~$5 each )
lusty trench
They really don't want stax in limited huh
Iirc Karn got upshifted too
This is a bruh moment tho
golden plover
He did. That's funny as hell
This set might be fun to draft, but it's gonna feel so bad opening packs
They downshifted RTRTR Kaya
Which is really weird considering Ral is still mythic and WAR Tef is mythic
lusty trench
They gotta make room for the upshifts
golden plover
True
Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't throw Mizzix in the mythic slot again
She ends up in the mythic slot all the time and would have been the perfect wasted slot
Also notably missing from the set are Bolas' Citadel (sees a lot of edh play, $10+), Dreadhorde Arcanist (sees a lot of varied format play, $5), and the Finale Cycle (Devastation is the only one that matters, sees EDH play, $20)
twilit canyon
dha sees very little paper play
cus its not great in modern banned in legacy and while great in vintage, vintage is a niche format and its not the best there either
golden plover
It used to see more, but it sees enough play it's a notable card from WAR without a reprint
twilit canyon
yeah it used to see more when it wasnt banned in legacy
golden plover
The other two are more obviously missing. Bolas' Citadel has like 4 reprints and is sit still $10ish
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And Finale of Devastation has the one reprint and is still a $20 card
golden plover
I don't think it's as notable, but it's never gotten a reprint, so it would have been fine in the rare slot
twilit canyon
meh
they cant downshift dha either cus it would fuck up other formats if it was lol
golden plover
Honestly better than Aurelia or that one simic lady
twilit canyon
they should have upshifted dha if anything
golden plover
I mean it would have stayed in the rare slot probably
I wouldn't have been surprised to see citadel in mythic tho
twilit canyon
i forget the card isnt mythic to begin with
golden plover
The whole cycle was rare but only 2.5 of them are any good
It, Parhelion, and Arkbow (exclusively during its standard, card has been dead ever since)
Mizzium Tank and [[Silent Submersible]] are unplayable
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golden plover
Honestly this should have been 1 mana more and unblockable
golden plover
I mean even just unblockable now would have been very bad
But they likely didn't want a 2 mana unblockable vehicle in limited
trail anvil
shit I kinda wanna try her in timeless
trail anvil
I think she has a ton of targets ye
twilit canyon
shes just not the best 3 drop to play
theres blood moon, t3feri, oko, uro, fable of the mirror breaker
golden plover
You've got access to tef and Oko
twilit canyon
tishana's tidebinder
crucias
jarsyl
she has a lot of targets yes but u would wanna have her on t2
cus otherwise said removal is a bit too slow
her gy hate is good though
trail anvil
oh yeah ig
twilit canyon
but can end up niche
some decks dont care
other decks that do care, shes too slow against
trail anvil
for gy hate I'm guessing hearse is the best for decks that use the gy themselves?
twilit canyon
nah this is a format for tormod's crypt, stone of erech, and soul-guide lantern
leyline of the void
trail anvil
ic
twilit canyon
just absolutely nuke the fuck out of it
dont give them a chance
ppl will delve that shit
golden plover
Ya know, I'm tempted to just build RDW for timeless
twilit canyon
its not good
golden plover
It's probably really good there with Ragavan
twilit canyon
its really not good
golden plover
Is it not?
golden plover
Ragavan and Bolt means it should hit fast
golden plover
And blood moon for sideboards since this is a greedy format
twilit canyon
burn never adopted ragavan bc its just not fast
golden plover
I could have sworn some lists ran him
twilit canyon
as a 1 of
and in legacy never happened
legacy burn also has [[fireblast]] and [[price of progress]]
trail anvil
I'd fuck with price in timeless
trail anvil
it'd probably be nice for brawl burn too
twilit canyon
pop is absurd
golden plover
I just wish bolts weren't rare tbh
twilit canyon
ppl who havent played games with pop dont understand how actually insane the card is
golden plover
It really does suck being gated from crafting decks because random commons are rare on arena
twilit canyon
frequently 2 mana deal 4 on t2
trail anvil
hey let's end games even faster since everyone's shocking into fetch into seize /s
twilit canyon
but often 2 mana deal 6-10
golden plover
And how few rare wcs there are in general
twilit canyon
without force of will or daze, pop is way too far
golden plover
Oh I could have sworn force was on arena
twilit canyon
not yet
trail anvil
just add those too:^)
trail anvil
the only free counter we have I think is pact
golden plover
Wait can I play the shitty Gideon oops all counters deck in timeless
trail anvil
[[daze]]
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twilit canyon
sure
golden plover
Well I imagine I can play it, I just also imagine it's p bad
twilit canyon
ppl are doing gideon + necropotence
but golgari necro is a lot better and focused
though i think the deck isnt great outside of bo1
golden plover
Anything about Kethis combo? I'm imagining it's still bad
trail anvil
I'm seeing a lot of Phoenix in bo1 over standard izzet tempo
golden plover
I just wanna play banned pioneer decks tbh
trail anvil
I think people like explosive turns
golden plover
And ballista still isn't on arena, nah?
twilit canyon
kethis is actually good
trail anvil
I don't think so, think they skipped that and looter scooter
twilit canyon
like i was surprised but it makes sense
fallow citrus
fuck it, just add daze and gush
trail anvil
is he 5c now?
golden plover
Probably a better use of 5c than golos lists
I saw chromatic black yesterday and forget people are always trying to make that work
twilit canyon
brewing timeless rhinos in anticipation
i dont think this list will actually be good
but it should maybe be competitive
cut 2 charms and 2 riddles for 4 hieroglyphic illumination to get delirium faster
stark skiff
Sorry for this random ruling question, how would All Will Be One work with Urtet as an example (saying 5 Myrs are up for the example and you use Urtet once). Does AWBO trigger 5 times doing 3 damage each or does it trigger once each for each counter doing 1 damage a piece for 15 triggers?
lusty trench
Triggers 5 times, for 3 damage each
"One or more" means it groups the lot for each permanent (because it says "a permanent" not "one or more permanents") onto one trigger
stark skiff
Ah thats what I was missing thanks.
sudden lava
I may get the blast from the past precon
I really like the idea of using these 2 in a planechase game
and the precon has 42 options to run as commanders (including the 1 bant legend) so I can switch it up game to game
lusty trench
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6129766/the_don_takes_what_he_pleases
What do y'all think? Adding a mana crypt and a dockside to this come January, after that I'll be upgrading the land base once remastered comes around to lower the shock prices
twilit canyon
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lusty trench
Fixed it
golden plover
Huh so accoring to Greg Staples, MTG artists have to pay for their own flights/tables for cons now
dense berry
artist signed cards about to explode in price
golden plover
Honestly, because that's fucked up
lusty trench
Don't they also get paid low amounts for the art commissions in the first place
dense berry
hasbro and wotc has played a pretty consistently antagonistic role in their relationships with mtg artists
golden plover
Don't they also get paid low amounts for the art commissions in the first place
Yeah, they've mentioned being the second lowest in the industry behind yugioh
dense berry
and yugioh's art direction is still in a way better place than mtg's rn
lusty trench
I'd disagree
Mainly because some Yu-Gi-Oh cards you put next to each other and question how they're from the same game
There's usually some level of connection between cards in the same archetype but other than that
golden plover
Mainly because some Yu-Gi-Oh cards you put next to each other and question how t...
I mean the same can be said about magic cards now too
How are these from the same game
Or even just the UB photorealistic renders
dense berry
there is nothing in yugioh even close to that discrepancy
the biggest I could think of is like
[[prophecy destroyer]]
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lusty trench
I don't really count these alt art treatments mainly because they're not making them like, part of their signature art style
They're there for those that want them
dense berry
id say their signature style is pretty bad too
look at LCI
the people look plastic and shopped in on quick reference background art traced from other places
they even had one artist forget to actually edit their tracing reference
hidden ermine
There's usually some level of connection between cards in the same archetype but...
I mean tbh that feels like a plus more than a minus to me?
copper pecan
what's bad about it? it looks fine to me
dense berry
what's bad about it? it looks fine to me
its the face
you can see it better in the mtga client
its the cover art for explorer rn i believe
i just dont like knowing where your photoshop layers are in digital art
it makes the piece look less cohesive to me
this one bothers me for the same reason
the art itself is good it just looks rushed and the depth isnt conveyed properly
golden plover
Is there any way to grind packs/WCs on arena? Timeless feels WAYY too pay to win
The fact that all the common format staples are rares, plus fetches, before you even get into cards you'd actually need for the deck is insane
zinc shard
Be good at Limited
golden plover
Damn, but that's not even something I can try and do for another week or so without spending real money
rigid scarab
Arena is extremely F2P friendly
golden plover
I've got like 3k coins from dailies the past 2 days and it's 10k to enter
rigid scarab
Just be extremely fucking good at the game
golden plover
So what I'm hearing is my options are:
A) Wait a week, draft, and hope to go infinite forever
Or
B) Spend like $300 USD to play with actual cards
I can't even finish burn rn because bolts are rares?
golden plover
Oh so just memorize 6 articles for every set ez
zinc shard
its not ideal but you could play [[Skewer the Critics]]
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golden plover
I've got a set of skewer the critics in there
I basically just cut some stuff and slapped bolts into my pioneer burn list
But I can't even finish them because again, historically common card, bolt, is a rare
trail anvil
ngl you could probably grind ranked with a basic bitch monored strat, even without bolts
I think you'd get a decent winrate with that
golden plover
This is what I'm working with
It's just crazy how many rares you need for a deck and how hard they are to get
And again, the mystical archive cards should 100% be craftable at their regular rarity
trail anvil
do you have the cards for izzet phoenix?
golden plover
Lemme check at see
trail anvil
DRC is power central and there are a ton of low cost digging spells
golden plover
Looking at the archives:
-Swords to Plowshares
-Brainstorm
-Counterspell
-Dark Ritual
-Inquisition of Kozilek
-Tendrils of Agony (to an extent)
-Weather the Storm (to an extent)
and
-Lightning Helix
have all been historically common/uncommon
They're all rare
twilit canyon
did u want strixhaven limited to be dominated by bolts and brainstorms counterspells and rituals
golden plover
I see that Flooting at least has a common version on arena
Nah they should keep their rarity in the packs, but be craftable for their real rarity
I don't need the fancy special versions, I just wanna be able to play commons in my decks for common WCs
golden plover
Yeah but they have common printings. Everything else considers them common
twilit canyon
thats the slot they were a part of
golden plover
Some of them even have common ones in the draft thing for arena
twilit canyon
no its just faithless looting
golden plover
That spellbook card can make bolt and counterspell
twilit canyon
those arent craftable
and iirc the backend to make them craftable is a lot more work
wotc_ian had let us know that the back end was a mess for coding back in cards
timeless dragon getting added in caused a whole issue with all cards that had plainscycling
and unfortunately due to the recent layoffs that 100% affected the arena team, its not getting any easier
golden plover
Fair. It just feels weird that these common cards can't be implemented at common
clever sun
Oh shit I should check in on some of the WotC employees that got laid off
golden plover
Especially since the versions exist in [[Tome of the Infinite]]
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golden plover
Had to look up the card
clever sun
[[Tome of Gaddwick]] had some cards too
golden plover
But it can make bolt, dark ritual, swords, and ponder
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golden plover
Oh that one has brainstorm
clever sun
But these cards aren't actually in the client no
golden plover
There's a version of them that already is tho?
Surely there's an easy way to assign them to that version like the 17 versions of shock are
twilit canyon
im p sure it just doesnt work
cus the base cards were coded in at rare/mythic
so if u do that, then they would just have a "common/uncommon" skin
golden plover
I dunno. You can craft shock for both common and uncommon wildcards
twilit canyon
but the base card would be rare/mythic
golden plover
You can craft flooting for rares and commons
golden plover
Flooting started as an archive and you can craft the non-archive one as a common
It feels like an easy fix tbh
twilit canyon
yea as part of the innistrad remaster
took about 2 years of dev to get it added
and they wont add them to anthologies cus it feels bad to get cards already on the client in there
golden plover
I don't know the backend obviously, but like there's no way they just can't let you craft the version of swords that's in the client at common
twilit canyon
the solution is the new pack formula
twilit canyon
I don't know the backend obviously, but like there's no way they just can't let ...
that is correct they cant
a lot of ppl asked this about the power 9 located within oracle of the alpha's spellbook for timeless
and the answer was no they cannot atm
not without breaking things
golden plover
I mean the difference there is that all these cards already exist
twilit canyon
so do the power 9
golden plover
I don't see what's preventing the shock technology from working
twilit canyon
they just arent craftable
sleek ferry
Your easiest way to be f2p is to grind standard, once you’ve got your standard deck, branch off to explorer, once you’ve grinded explorer do alchemy, once you’ve done alchemy do historic and finally once you’ve got a solid historic deck to timeless
I’ve been f2p since I started
golden plover
How do you earn new stuff from grinding the ladder tho?
You don't get gems/coins from playing other than like 50 for your first 5 or so wins a day
twilit canyon
winning
sleek ferry
Hit mythic every season get the season rewards, open packs every 2 days, you’ll get your wild cards
golden plover
And then when it takes 10k to do a draft, that's like a week's worth of playing every day to even get 1 draft's worth of cards
twilit canyon
also play events
clever sun
To be fair Misty, I've seen you carry some godawful decks
sleek ferry
I legitly only log in to arena to do my daily quests and uh what was it 7 out of the 15 daily wins is all you need to maximize your time
trail anvil
oh fuck new swifty art is in arena I forgot
sleek ferry
And I usually grind with like a week left in the season