dreadmaw 😮
#Magic the Gathering
sudden lava
ripe aurora
are there such things as chain links
sleek ferry
are there such things as chain links
MTG uses the stack
ripe aurora
does it function similarly
sleek ferry
This is a simple enough explanation of it
The big differences to keep in mind is unlike Yugioh, when you go to cast a spell, it enters the stack and it is not yet on the field
Stack priority also works differently, it’s more common sense than Yugioh chain links as you’ll see in the video
If you want a more in-depth video on the stack and priority this does the job also https://youtu.be/co25vcPvDsE?si=VD_0EdE3dP1MjR-b
ripe aurora
okay this makes sense
golden plover
Of course the bonus card is dreadmaw
sleek ferry
I wonder if [[charismatic conqueror]] was originally designed for the actual set and then pushed to commander
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golden plover
Maybe, but this is very much a commander card
trail anvil
yeah it reads like a commander card
also I just noticed lci has no dual lands outside of the new man lands
beating fully constructed dinos with orzhov uncommons in the lci event 😩 👌
lusty trench
Tishanas tidebender spiking, people finally read it ig
fallow citrus
most people assumed 3 mana stifle in modern wouldn't be great which is a reasonable assumption
twilit canyon
3 mana stifle on a 3/2 sounds a lot better but still not great great
but eveyone who read it realized it lined up well into the meta cards
deals with on-board shit and pitch elementals
using it in murktide to stone rain people later in the game is also good
lusty trench
I've just realised I've turned into a timmy
I went from running izzet decks mainly, combo focused
And now I have dinosaurs, eldrazi and dragons
zinc shard
I've made a mistake
twilit canyon
found the best version of dredge
i think an argument can be made to play pure dimir but i feel so unprotected without green
similarly cooked up merfolk
imma keep trying out tishana's in the format in various blue decks. card is gas
fallow citrus
souls saccing stitcher is insane tbh
twilit canyon
sac stitcher, discard ghasts and amalgams
its actually quite good
on top of getting massive
only card im somewhat eh on is cruel somnophage
but its proved decent
ppl like running merfolk secretkeeper in that spot but that card is extremely passive
1 more mana on both modes but its actually fat
sleek ferry
Somnophage is nuts just for how big it gets so quickly
I always feel bad having to waste removal on it in standard, I can only imagine what it feels like with a better card pool
sudden lava
clever sun
Crazy how Roaming Throne is about ten times better than a commander card
sleek ferry
Yeah roaming throne is way better (both are unusable in cedh outside of roaming throne in Magda and maybe something else I’m missing)
rich bronze
Should I buy a playset of Japanese foil opalescences
I need them for my premodern replenish deck anyway
And for a card in the “reserved list, foil and playable” intersection it’s pretty cheap
sudden lava
Might pick up paradox powers for these 2
and to have a copy of Clara to throw into timeywimey
zinc shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GpuWULGVc
The madman actually explains banding
sudden lava
so its like link attacking from buddyfight?
barren cairn
Wow I can only win with precons today
Also someone's trading for the Lord of Atlantis I wanted so
I'm just letting him trade for it idrc
glad peak
You could always take back control, remove some outside influences, and play 1v1 formats 
barren cairn
But my locals is sweaty for ygo so it'll prob all be scam type decks
glad peak
Tbh I would expect more murktide if it’s established players
And that deck is just asking to lose to random decks for no reason
(Sure, good pilots and all but just be better)
barren cairn
just ask about what the meta's like at your shop
Fair
I did get heart of the cards fucked out of a win today lol
But it was against myrrim so I already went in with a "I'm fucked" mentality
rich bronze
Luv affinity
Game boiled down to a war of attrition, them making bird tokens and recurring skred/pumping entity with the prowess triggers vs me swinging for lethal every turn
rich bronze
is that pauper?
Yes
rich bronze
affinity moment
Rate my turn 2
fallow citrus
that's bretty good
dense berry
its a good thing they banned atog
rich bronze
Outgrinded golgari control
Spent 80% of the match as the monarch
hence the 25 cards in my GY lmao
Honestly I think that games like these are what differentiate the two games the most
In the average ygo game you’re probably taking more game actions in two turns than you do in a 10 turn game of magic
But in the 10 turn game of magic it’s not uncommon to see someone lose because they made the wrong play on turn 2
( turn 4 and a loss on turn 14 here but still )
trail anvil
cats n dogs
trail anvil
if they wanted to go furry they have a ton to choose from
rich bronze
And they chose furry
rich bronze
What would the Yugioh equivalent of this game be
trail anvil
I'm saying they have like a shit ton of furries to choose from in mtg art, and they have a bunch of regular animals
and they're all cats and dogs
golden plover
[[Patriarch's Binding]] is wolves tho
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fallow citrus
wolves are just big dogs tbf
golden plover
That's true but there's way more notable cats and dogs
All the cards are Ilse Gort art
copper pecan
maybe the theme is ilse gort then
trail anvil
oh it is
golden plover
True. Havent seen them do artist themes before
Oh apparently that's because this is the second time they've done an artist spotlight ever
trail anvil
is there a finisher in bant that works with summoning sick creatures? I want to be able to finish a game with lagrella but I usually end up with a wide board that needs one more turn to end the game
waxen timber
Doesn't lagrella usually kill by combo?
Like get lagrella and 2 more things that banish stuff either like fiend hunter or a champion and then kill with like Altar of the brood or Suture Priest
trail anvil
TIL, the build I yoinked had none of that
broken fjord
The 1 green haste enchantment is the closest I can think of in bant.
fallow citrus
[[concordant crossroads]]?
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dense berry
broken
trail anvil
I wanted to try this in some deck but I don't even remember which at this point
trail anvil
twilit canyon
oh shit we got alchemy ixalan + khans this month
twilit canyon
nah thats [[rahilda]]
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twilit canyon
whatever her name was
trail anvil
[[rahilda, wanted cutthroat]]
twilit canyon
kamachal is nice tho
trail anvil
but it doesn't make a treasure 😎
trail anvil
surely we get them in the new permanent historic no banlist bo3 queue 
twilit canyon
that queue isnt happening
i believe they mentioned on the official server that they will be extremely careful about adding new queues and that a lot of novel queues like nbl are often abandoned after a couple of weeks since introduced
not by wotc but by playerbase
oh khans drops the 12th
legality will be confirmed the 11th
trail anvil
yeah I'm mostly memeing
fetch lands are gonna be so nice for my slogurk deck though fr
modern minnow
You've been deceived
copper pecan
it's fake
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add 
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"Llanowar remembers the Ice Age, the Phyrexian Invasion, and the Rift Era. So long as we draw breath, we will ensure such disasters never threaten our world again."
3/3
lusty trench
Oh right survey for caverns is up
I basically just said tokens and basics counting towards the 1/12 chance of Jurassic worlds sucked, and the commander precons are actually worth getting this time
trail anvil
oh hey I can actually say that I've bought/am going to buy more product this time 
rigid scarab
https://scryfall.com/card/khc/66/llanowar-tribe
"Oh my fucking god"
- A trespasser, probably
fallow citrus
time to get in the time chamber and learn Yawg
glad peak
See you in 5 minutes
glad peak
I remember I was given that deck blind in locals lol
I won but had to reread so many cards
fallow citrus
maybe it's just me not being a native mtg player
but creature toolbox feels like I have a lot to do but also sometimes nothing
last glen
draft token on sale on MTGA today
9,000 gold is still kinda monstrous but I guess it's basically a discount on packs
copper pecan
idk why they considered pair banning felidar and saheeli, they should have already known that pair bans don't work from when they tried it with duel masters
fallow citrus
well it's been good knowing fury
copper pecan
rest in piss fury, you will not be missed
golden plover
Pair bans haven't worked ever in any card game
trail anvil
what about duel links
sudden lava
pulsar talon
what about duel links <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
(Pope's point still stands)
golden plover
I refuse to accept that a couple murders could throw off the balance of Ravnica ngl
They've had 2 multiversal invasions
copper pecan
it really depends on who got murdered
like if it was some of the guildmasters i could see things getting really bad
also why was massacre girl invited to this party that they're all at
twilit canyon
I refuse to accept that a couple murders could throw off the balance of Ravnica ...
ravnica is 100% a city that would view intergalactic invasions and go "yeah whatever" but a celebrity dies and they actually lose their minds
golden plover
also why was massacre girl invited to this party that they're all at
The world's most obvious red herring
Also, can't an orzhov mage just resurrect the ghost and go "hey who killed you?"
golden plover
Unfortunately we know that he doesn't because thunder junction
lusty trench
As an aside why doesn't Judith's attire fit their guild?
Main person the the center is presumably azorius (white and blue clothing), then there's massacre girl rakdos (red black) auriela (white red), and the lizard dude izzet (blue red)
And krenko is krenko
golden plover
Krenko really looks worse every art ngl
lusty trench
Meanwhile Judith is gold and red
golden plover
And yeah, Judith just dresses like that
lusty trench
hidden ermine
Her horns are black
lusty trench
It's a dull bronze at best
hidden ermine
Also wait where do you see white on Aurelia?
lusty trench
Wings
hidden ermine
... oh I am blind
Eh given that its just the shirt that pokes out a bit being white for the azorius dude
Judith only having her horns be black seems fine
lusty trench
Yeah I guess that's fair, I do like a lot of their attire matches their colours though
lusty trench
Also, can't an orzhov mage just resurrect the ghost and go "hey who killed you?"
Theyre probably gonna say the murdered was taken by surprise or something
Or poisoned or whatever
golden plover
They've gotta, considering otherwise there's no mystery
lusty trench
Funniest shit is the person who died is still gonna get brought back as a ghost but just to repay any and all debts
golden plover
Depends on their guild
trail anvil
I refuse to accept that a couple murders could throw off the balance of Ravnica ...
azorius?
kaya murdering the orzhov heads too
sorry, double-murdering them
fuck I didn't realize how many leaders on ravnica have been murdered, this plane is fuckin italy
zinc shard
"You say dead men tell no tales? Not quite. For my first witness, the defense calls.. the victim!"
trail anvil
did prague also have a long series of leadership assassinations
copper pecan
the actual italian plane also had a long series of leadership assassinations too
trail anvil
wait werefox bodyguard sacking itself to effectively serve as a blink is such a fun toolbox option I never saw
I just always used it as a flash exile but wow
sleek ferry
Smh my head
hidden ermine
did prague also have a long series of leadership assassinations
Prague had 3 separate defenestratrions happen in short succession
Wait no
Not in short successioj
But they all either triggered or prolonged wars
trail anvil
I like that they're all defenestrations
hidden ermine
When in Prague ...
trail anvil
god I know this is a well known interaction but it still feels so satisfying to pull off
christ this deck has so many 1-card instakills wtf
sleek ferry
my god, The End is such a bullshit card
waxen timber
It's worse than Vraska's contempt tbh
sleek ferry
oh yeah, that's not even close
but The End being able to just rip decks win cons got me feeling so salty
last glen
wait
When does the next banlist go into effect?
Dreamhack Atlanta is in two weeks or so
sleek ferry
good question, we will know next week ig
clever sun
but The End being able to just rip decks win cons got me feeling so salty
Why do you have one wincon
trail anvil
twilit canyon
10 hours of sea shanty trap remix 1r
instant - chorus
this is unironically a pretty strong card tho
copper pecan
i think it really depends on what the other chorus cards do
like if there's a one mana chorus then this is fantastic
assuming that all choruses intensify all of your other ones
twilit canyon
yeah for sure
strong quartz
whats starting intensity
oh nvm
its just related to chorus if you don't have any I guess
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strong quartz
Wondering if its refer to chorus in general or the specific card if its been played before
I mean being digital would make it obvious how much damage it would do, but on paper its a bit to parse
last glen
we did not plus
unfortunate
dense berry
terrible artwork
all the artwork with people on it in this set looks so bad
look at that photoshop layer head
sudden lava
AI cards writing fanfiction
trail anvil
generating that many shield counters sounds fun with the ozolith
sudden lava
Sandaleks, well at least they can't climb stairs. Still menacing if you can get this rolling, though it's six mana so fair I suppose
twilit canyon
sudden lava
tell me if we get digital exclusive capybara
trail anvil
huh, esper sentinel boon
does this not feel kinda underpowered for an alchemy card tho?
twilit canyon
its every combat damage hit
trail anvil
yeah but only batrider
golden plover
Yeah this seems kinda weak
I mean, it's perfectly balanced but that's weak for alchemy
twilit canyon
it builds up per combat damage which helps a lot
i think its solid especially as a human knight
rich bronze
Pioneer Heroic is so fun to play
The 1/1 doming the opponent for 18 next turn never gets old
trail anvil
wait you can set this up to draw crucias lol
fallow citrus
what emotion is this
that emotion is early 2000s strategy game box art
copper pecan
there are a few good pirates you can get off of this
copper pecan
[[kitesail larcenist]]?
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Creature — Human Pirate
Flying, ward 
When Kitesail Larcenist enters the battlefield, for each player, choose up to one other target artifact or creature that player controls. For as long as Kitesail Larcenist remains on the battlefield, the chosen permanents become Treasure artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color" and lose all other abilities.
2/3
twilit canyon
yes in alchemy/standard
alchemy meta is very wide open rn
dinos, black midrange, pirates, theres a token deck doing solid, some ramp, some combo with rusko, overall a good meta variety rn
trail anvil
I tried out gruul burn on bo1 alchemy, you're right this actually is pretty fun (and cheap) 
only problem is this format has such a small playerbase I just ran into the same person playing abzan legends 3 times in a row lmao
twilit canyon
alchemy has a bigger bo3 pool
rich bronze
that emotion is early 2000s strategy game box art
Holy
fallow citrus
hm?
clever sun
only problem is this format has such a small playerbase I just ran into the same...
As Misty said, most people who play Alchemy at higher ranks actually play it Bo3
I find the format quite fun right now though. I think Merfolk are pretty lowkey good in the format
Though I really enjoy the Azorius convoke deck
copper pecan
lusty trench
fallow citrus
there's a fungus amongus
golden plover
That's INSANE for 2 mana, what
copper pecan
the effect is kinda slow but that's ok given the statline
copper pecan
the conjured copies also put more copies in your graveyard
golden plover
Yeah 3/3 for 2 mana with all upside is kinda wacky
twilit canyon
we have gotten functional 2 mana 3/3s in green with all upside for a while now
[[werewolf pack leader]]
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Creature — Human Werewolf
Pack tactics — Whenever Werewolf Pack Leader attacks, if you attacked with creatures with total power 6 or greater this combat, draw a card.
: Until end of turn, Werewolf Pack Leader has base power and toughness 5/3, gains trample, and isn't a Human.
3/3
twilit canyon
[[kalonian tusker]]
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twilit canyon
[[outland liberator]] honorary 3/3
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Creature — Human Werewolf
, Sacrifice Outland Liberator: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Daybound (If a player casts no spells during their own turn, it becomes night next turn.)
"Just hold still. I'll help you."
2/2
Frenzied Trapbreaker
Creature — Werewolf
, Sacrifice Frenzied Trapbreaker: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Whenever Frenzied Trapbreaker attacks, destroy target artifact or enchantment defending player controls.
Nightbound (If a player casts at least two spells during their own turn, it becomes day next turn.)
3/3
twilit canyon
and [[duskwatch recruiter]]
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Creature — Human Warrior Werewolf
: Look at the top three cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if no spells were cast last turn, transform Duskwatch Recruiter.
2/2
Krallenhorde Howler
Creature — Werewolf
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if a player cast two or more spells last turn, transform Krallenhorde Howler.
3/3
twilit canyon
and the last one is [[azusa's many journeys]]
twilit canyon
liberator and duskwatch arent natural 3/3s but make up for it with baller effects
likeness of the seeker is on a delayed timer but has gas the whole way
tusker is a vanilla and the pack leader is the best of the bunch
golden plover
These are all GG or not naturally 3/3 tho, this one is 1G
That's a bit notable of a difference
twilit canyon
only tusker is notably worse
twilit canyon
believe so between natural gg
but of the 3, its worse than pack leader
pack leader is 100% better while this one is a marginal upgrade to tusker
there is also that one 2 mana gg troll thats a 2/2 with a +1/+1 that can give itself hexproof
golden plover
Pack leader does technically take more setup, since this one technically enables itself
fallow citrus
[[cankerbloom]]
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Creature — Phyrexian Fungus
, Sacrifice Cankerbloom: Choose one —
• Destroy target artifact.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
3/2
fallow citrus
oh 3/2 rip
golden plover
If left unanswered, this one takes the game after a while
twilit canyon
by raw its worse. pack leader is always the fungus but it can always threaten damage
4 mana +2/+0 and trample
golden plover
True, I'm just saying this one has less pieces technically to set up
It's not likely to pop off like that, but it's wild for 2 mana it can
golden plover
That too
copper pecan
the conjured cards are permanents
twilit canyon
should double check but p sure alchemy has better cards to get more cards into the grave
idt this card is bad really tho i do think its farfetched to call it insane
copper pecan
i don't think it's crazy or anything but i do think it's a good card
twilit canyon
that i do agree
i think its solid
i think the most interesting part of it is that it reanimates any fungus
copper pecan
maybe it can combo with mycotyrant idk
sleek ferry
Wait, do the conjured cards in the gy count as being put into the gy from anywhere?
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Horror
When Gixian Recycler dies or is put into your graveyard from your hand or library, conjure a card named Gixian Recycler into your graveyard.
Unearth 
3/1
trail anvil
oh hey it triggers descend
twilit canyon
this is actually crazy
fallow citrus
oh wow
barren cairn
bought my last precon for a while
trail anvil
wait what?? that's actually busted
just casually agadeem's awakening for 2W
wait no I misread, this is still really nice though
twilit canyon
that other 3 mana revive up to mana value 3 spell from ikoria
but it can scale over time
zinc shard
Assume we're gonna get a Reveille for Dinos and Vampires too
twilit canyon
reveille will be solid in alchemy merfolk
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copper pecan
weird reference but alright
twilit canyon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1180319024769413200/...
i like crawler a lot but im not sure if it has a proper home in historic
copper pecan
yeah after rereading it i don't think it's as good as i initially thought
strong quartz
weird reference but alright
Think they wanted to make a card like that but then realized one exists
trail anvil
this card seems like ridiculous value
zinc shard
nvm misread it
twilit canyon
this is kinda weird as hell
like
i see the combo
x=1 -> mox bounces to hand x=1 -> mox bounces to hand -> x=2 ?
trail anvil
worded what way
also this feels like it's gonna have some combo video released on it
golden plover
I dunno, it's just really confusing on first read
I guess to prevent x=0 abuse?
But you still get an etb trigger
sleek ferry
So you want this spell to hit something less than x basically
golden plover
Depends
It bounces it and you have to pay 1 more if it does
Theoretically you want it to hit exactly the cost
sleek ferry
If it hits exactly the cost than the spell just goes to the gy no?
twilit canyon
moxen
x=1 to start -> moxen
x=1 again -> moxen
if u pack ur deck full of moxen and a way to get pengine on it wins by itself p much
its weird and not sure how to go about it all the way but there is a combo
trail anvil
ohhh it's a gamble card
or at least probably intended to be, given seek can hit the exact value
trail anvil
so you do exactly 1 artifact at each mana value?
twilit canyon
no
moxen
x=1 to find mox whatever or black lotus
bounces back bc mv 0
x=1 again cus now it just costs 2
-> moxen
once again returns
trail anvil
so you're saying combine it with oracle of the alpha or are you suggesting just amber
trail anvil
sounds funny tbh
twilit canyon
and [[quicksilver lapidandrist]]
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twilit canyon
build up to either [[paradox engine]] or some other way
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twilit canyon
to loop the mana
this keeps being cast like how u combo food chain in edh
some way to loop or bounce oracles to keep making moxen/lotus
trail anvil
like [[baral's expertise]] or [[paradoxical outcome]]
trail anvil
or [[filter out]] for the meme
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twilit canyon
nah i wouldn want it to be a permanent though filter out isnt a terrible idea
golden plover
This is the most outward "we fucked up" about Aftermath yet
No design document means they just rushed out something
golden plover
Honestly wouldn't have expected a "Oh yeah we had no plans going into the set and just shat out whatever" being directly confirmed
It explains a lot tho. Between Ob being back on Capenna, the random cards not making any sense, the dead dean being alive again, and randomly desparking everyone
dense berry
imagine botching the climax of an almost 30 year plotline
and to the extent they did
golden plover
"We had no plans to end this plotline" is actually insane
twilit canyon
apparently according to wotc ian, when they designed seek, it was one they werent sure about until they got a chance to play with it and then they absolutely loved the idea and its why it shows up a lot now
conjure is the other big favorite
and for some more news: battled are much more likely for alchemy/digital
for some additional news: khans will be just khans. no supplemental set or card pool or alchemy: khans drop later
hidden ermine
Every set is gonna have its pros and khans I suppose
twilit canyon
hidden ermine
copper pecan
do we know if fetches are pre-banned?
twilit canyon
no
golden plover
I can't see them not banning tnem
copper pecan
i hope they're banned
trail anvil
we do have deathrite shaman in historic
and maybe dig through time/treasure cruise, but we'll see what gets pre-banned
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trail anvil
this is so green
trail anvil
this looks like really fun value as an hbrawl commander
also "three-time boon" damn
that card looks actually nuts
copper pecan
YES
copper pecan
i've been waiting for a card that conjures dreadmaws
twilit canyon
any chorus cards will just make it more insane
copper pecan
i'd imagine a deck that runs this would probably also run other choruses
clever sun
I've been in the kitchen a lot less but... I'm still cooking in Historic and Alchemy when I can
I've been convinced about Tishana
The one thing I wanna try is fit Fable of the Mirror Breaker in the list
Maybe over Maestro's Charm
trail anvil
are the 7 wizards consistent enough to hit flame of anor's 2 modes? or does it not matter much
sleek ferry
Bust it down Tishana
fallow citrus
1 day until the b&r pog
sudden lava
We get closer to the last of the Doctor Who SL
twilit canyon
ok
copper pecan
trail anvil
does alchemy have the same on the draw problem as standard, cause if so that seems nice as a band-aid
twilit canyon
no it does not bc of cards like this
copper pecan
yeah i think this kind of design is one of the best uses of alchemy so far
this and [[captivating crossroads]
[[captivating crossroads]]
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Land
During your first three turns of the game, Captivating Crossroads enters the battlefield tapped if you were the starting player.
As Captivating Crossroads enters the battlefield, choose a color.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
twilit canyon
hidden ermine
Why is that first one a mythic
copper pecan
arguel seems neat
twilit canyon
Why is that first one a mythic
by the time u cast it, its gonna be drawing minimum 5+ cards
its the other crown jewel card for the chorus deck
copper pecan
twilit canyon
value
trail anvil
[[arguel's blood feast]]
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[[arguel's blood fast]]
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Legendary Enchantment
, Pay 2 life: Draw a card.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have 5 or less life, you may transform Arguel's Blood Fast.
Arguel's vision led him into the jungles of Ixalan . . .
Temple of Aclazotz
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Arguel's Blood Fast.)
: Add .
, Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
. . . to the lost temple of a bat-god of night, eternal enemy to the Threefold Sun.
trail anvil
dang, ramp and a pretty solid land
twilit canyon
yea 100% great card overall
3 mana 3/1 that either gives u card draw on board or a way to keep up against aggro and dodge removal
also triggers descend really well
twilit canyon
on rate grab removal for creatures enchantments or artifacts
should be good
alchemy dinos are already solid
twilit canyon
interesting card but its kinda weird and idt it makes it
twilit canyon
depends on the spellbook for sure
copper pecan
i really hope there's a dreadmaw in there
i need to be able to unironically cast dreadmaw
twilit canyon
also i think both of these should be 2 drops
feels like they overcorrected them
reconsecrator is just awkward to properly find a time to cast and the shepherd just might be too slow
copper pecan
reconsecrator goes infinite with two copies and a sac outlet tho
trail anvil
[[admiral beckett brass]]
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copper pecan
wait how do you do 4 excess damage with this
trail anvil
I think just damage boosting? but that's very weird
copper pecan
it's probably just so the effect doesn't wiff if you use damage boosters i guess
trail anvil
does it count with an indestructible creature with points of damage on it?
copper pecan
i think so
trail anvil
it's probably just so the effect doesn't wiff if you use damage boosters i guess
oh that's probably it tbh
do pirates have any damage boosters besides angrath's marauders?
strong quartz
interesting card but its kinda weird and idt it makes it
near infinite fodder if you have another in the yard but feels almost overcosted
twilit canyon
wait how do you do 4 excess damage with this
yea damage boosters and its there to prevent feelbads bc u did more than 4 since i guess the whole spellbook will be 1-2 at most a 3 drop
twilit canyon
near infinite fodder if you have another in the yard but feels almost overcosted
yea its a shame about that but oh well
at 2 mana i can see it doing something in yawgmoth in historic
zinc shard
Phyrexian Archivist has the wrong artist credit. Its listed as Daniel Romanovsky , but it's actually Andreas Zafiratos
[[Phyrexian Archivist]]
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trail anvil
wow that's been a while
rigid scarab
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/statement-on-march-of-the-machin...
Oopsie Poopsie!
trail anvil
I'm kinda surprised the artist themselves didn't notice before
twilit canyon
reflection net is a new and exciting way to powercreep oblivion ring lol
at least this only hits creatures
also scalesoul gnome is great
like legit just great
trail anvil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1181086811309756426/3b...
that actually sounds super fun lol
imagine if they made it perpetually become the creature 
trail anvil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1181086848332869702/af...
holy fuckin value
3 is a low power for a 5 drop but those effects
twilit canyon
imagine if they made it perpetually become the creature <:KEKW:62234758751662899...
i think the intent is for this effect is for the card to be used on your own creatures vs board wipes or removal
but u dont wanna give someone copies 5-8 of ie sheoldred
twilit canyon
holy fuckin value
yep
100%
t5 swing instantly, has trample but lower power but thats okay it makes for an insane topdeck
if u cant swing, but can cast from exile, u get to clone that spell anyways
trail anvil
honestly I think if you're impulse drawing/discovering independent of the damage eff it's still great value
conjuring the same card into hand is fucking nuts, I'm actually amazed this isn't once per turn
it copies fucking lands
even if you're playing on curve that's like a +2 per turn, but then again ig we have that with bonehoard dracosaur too lol
trail anvil
i think the intent is for this effect is for the card to be used on your own cre...
I get the impression they want you to turn fodder into big bunguses
this card gets better with blink too, assuming the exiled creature doesn't have a valuable etb
twilit canyon
well yes that is the intent as well
remove their big dumbass
turn ur mirex token into it
trail anvil
I'm sure this is the case for most on-hit creatures in the game, but putting cleave on gnome sounds hilarious
last glen
when list
last glen
meager isle
Wow lotr cards untouched? What a surprise
last glen
Does Karn ban kill Mono Green Nykthos?
last glen
Wow lotr cards untouched? What a surprise
Tolkien immunity, the cousin of protag immunity
fallow citrus
I mean ring was fine now
bowmasters is the only other hit but it's not fury/bean levels of good
subtle sierra
i play it in standard
fallow citrus
yeah modern uh
subtle sierra
i often cast too many and overdraw lmao
fallow citrus
destroyed that card
subtle sierra
i milled myself out today
fallow citrus
consider that you can play 5c very easily in modern
and then cast a bunch of high MV cards for free
like solitude fury commandeer leyline binding
also being able to cascade into beans is crazy good
fallow citrus
yeah probably
people will still force devotion I think but it'll at least be interesting now
last glen
Is the deck Ugin and big green now?
twilit canyon
Tolkien immunity, the cousin of protag immunity
ring and obm were fine in modern ultimately
the issue was obm + fury existing together
the 2 cards oppressed x/1s
sleek ferry
btw nothing changed in the last 3 months that made this Karn ban make more sense now than when I was bitching about it in the summer
twilit canyon
pioneer uptick will happen bc they mentioned they want to keep up with all of pioneet in general
fallow citrus
yeah I'm not sure why it took them this long but better late than never
meager isle
ring and obm were fine in modern ultimately
I would like to cast draw spells without looking behind my back
fallow citrus
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/explanation-of-pauper-bans-for-d...
link is down lmao
twilit canyon
if they are holding 1b open, dont recklessly cantrip
twilit canyon
draw spells were absolutely playable through obm
meager isle
I don’t want to
twilit canyon
ppl cast up the beanstalk till it got banned in spite of obm
meager isle
If only I could cast beanstalk now
sleek ferry
beanstalk was seeing success through obm though
fallow citrus
people were playing bstorm in legacy into obm so like
sleek ferry
what was the combo with geological appraiser in pioneer/explorer btw?
fallow citrus
what was the combo with geological appraiser in pioneer/explorer btw?
you would keep discovering into clone effects iirc
meager isle
Why are we naming broken cantrips
fallow citrus
and then you have a huge board from 1 card and just swing
meager isle
I want to play okay cantrips
fallow citrus
why are we complaining about having to play around cards in a card game
last glen
Yeah you use clones and eldtrich evo into trumpeting carno
sleek ferry
ah that's what it was
last glen
And then you use this guy to give everyone +1 and haste
fallow citrus
quint version just burns your opp to death instead
meager isle
why are we complaining about having to play around cards in a card game
Because why am I punished for playing opt?
last glen
So four mana one card leads to a hasted kill board
sleek ferry
while I do agree OBM is still a bit too gatekeepy, fury was a much more pressing need
fallow citrus
Because why am I punished for playing opt?
all you have to do is be able to see 2 mana open
fury is a free card that kills up to 4 creatures in one cast
meager isle
Why do I need to do that
fallow citrus
and can be blinked
twilit canyon
why are u playing opt on modern?
meager isle
I did before obm
sleek ferry
I mean why are you opting anyways, consider is a better opt
twilit canyon
the question remains
meager isle
I play control
twilit canyon
wh
meager isle
There are arguments for opt>consider
twilit canyon
this doesnt change the question
meager isle
Since you don’t want to dump win cons
twilit canyon
snapcaster fodder?
twilit canyon
theres also the fact that control really doesnt care a ton about cantrips before obm either
meager isle
They care cause they run a lot of lands
dense berry
what the fuck why would they mar a great list announcement with a dumb ass pauper ban
why caint i get schwifty in pauper it was its final home
twilit canyon
card still sees top tier modern play?
twilit canyon
They care cause they run a lot of lands
22-24 lands isnt all that many
regardless, a list should evolve to the meta and control hasnt been favorable so all the more reason to adapt
rich bronze
Guess I’m playing omnath now
twilit canyon
without fury?
rich bronze
Yes
twilit canyon
i think u get farmed by merfolk
meager isle
Control hasn’t been meta for a long time
meager isle
Obm didn’t help
rich bronze
Omnath or Creativity
meager isle
Are you saying obm will never get banned?
twilit canyon
u know what fair if u like omnath
meager isle
So midrange
meager isle
Sort of I guess
rich bronze
Actually
Should I put my rings to use
And play tron
I have everything for tron
But I haven’t ever played tron
fallow citrus
certainly no better time than now
rich bronze
🤔
meager isle
Yea rings are good
rich bronze
Yeah I have literally every card over 5 bucks for tron
Didn’t mean to get them for it
but uhh
meager isle
Inb4 tron dominate gp again
rich bronze
tron is inevitable
rich bronze
Becoming good and bad at just the right moments
fallow citrus
tron plays you
rich bronze
To avoid bans
meager isle
Good thing Modern has no wasteland
fallow citrus
yeah I found that whenever I played it
deck is insane if it goes off but you don't do anything otherwise
twilit canyon
Are you saying obm will never get banned?
maybe
i personally think obm is fine in current modern
fine without fury to be clear
fallow citrus
4 cloudpost won't save you when you get t3 doomsday'd
twilit canyon
the card is absurdly powerful but in tandem with fury they create an extremely hostile environment to x/1s
meager isle
Modern has been hostile for x/1 since w6
zinc shard
Karn is dead!
Sideboards are sideboards again!
sleek ferry
eh I would disagree. I don't think a card gatekeeping an entire playstyle is healthy. Which is what OBM currently does. the environment for x/1's has been hostile since W6
meager isle
Just print wasteland in Modern so we can ban w6 
meager isle
I sometimes counter it if I can t2 since a lot of people keep two landers with w6
rich bronze
true
I know if I have 2 lands with at least one fetch and w6
Odds are I’m keeping it
twilit canyon
w6 didnt go crazy on x/1s like obm and fury did since those 2 dodge the usual hate for cards like w6 easily
opp plays an esper sentinel -> thalia w6 feels like shit to play into that
opp plays the same into fury and they lose on the spot
meager isle
Esper was after w6 no?
Iirc death and taxes died with mh1
Still saw play ofc but very little
golden plover
Lmao who called they'd only hit the MH2 cards and not anything else in the deck
meager isle
Everyone
golden plover
Pretty happy with the pioneer bans tbh
dense berry
i bet it killed them inside to have to ban fury
i bet they just couldn't realistically design mh3 with fury in mind without completely throwing balancing out of the window
its usually not a good idea to try to balance around overloaded 0cmc cards
golden plover
Almost like 0 mana cards are too good
Even with the pioneer bans, they gotta realize that mana cheating has been an issue almost every time
twilit canyon
Lmao who called they'd only hit the MH2 cards and not anything else in the deck
what else needed a hit?
obm?
if u say obm u fundamentally didnt understand the deck
if u say ring, ur completely out of touch with how modern is rn
grief or solitude would also be silly
ragavan is proven to not be an issue
sleek ferry
Fury ban was the pressing matter, they could have solely hit fury and done a wait and see
I’m overall really happy with all the bans
Explorer is going to be interesting now
Might make it my preferred format with standard having the issues it’s having right now
meager isle
And then tron dominates gp again
twilit canyon
mycelic ballad and phantasmal extraction are kinda nutty
stalwart speartail actually gives me a reason to think dinos may be meta in alchemy maybe historic big maybe
trail anvil
no dino seeker 
I kinda get why but rip incomplete cycle
twilit canyon
yea no a dino seeker would be kinda fucked up lol
twilit canyon
honest idk
trail anvil
maybe boros too
trail anvil
you really want those dreadmaws huh
sleek ferry
I have to update my gruul aggro list for explorer
twilit canyon
you really want those dreadmaws huh
its basically [[herd migration]] but better
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trail anvil
I'd love to see that in topping ramp decks tbh
twilit canyon
yea i hope it does well
trail anvil
wait you're serious
twilit canyon
yes
copper pecan
i need to see colossal dreadmaw in competitive magic
sleek ferry
Low elo explorer is brazy, who the hell plays shrines
trail anvil
I think it can replace the top end of migration, but the life gain and guaranteed land drops to make curve/hit domain seem too valuable
trail anvil
oh are they just like gruul
twilit canyon
gruul or bant/simic at most
domain ramp exists yea but its just not consistent without triomes
trail anvil
yeah that sounds much worse, forgot those rotated
god I guess you really go the path of dino beatdown
twilit canyon
not necessarily beatdown
but ramping with chorus cards to be able to play out a ton of dreadmaws will be game ending
trail anvil
not the playstyle oops
sudden lava
any digital MTG only capybaras?
trail anvil
if you're doing chorus shenanigans then maybe temur/jund?
I imagine you wanna use halfling though so probably temur
twilit canyon
idt u need to use halfling
copper pecan
any digital MTG only capybaras?
no
trail anvil
I just figure that would be one of the best ramp cards at low cmc right now
also pog I have 2 karn tgc and 2 rare wildcards left, perfect timing
golden plover
if u say obm u fundamentally didnt understand the deck
Maybe not in that deck in general but OBM punishes you for attempting to draw outs, the way you're supposed to deal with that kind of problems
That's shitty design and I'm sure it won't be an issue again in other decks
dense berry
wanting obm banned has nothing to do with understanding any one specific deck
lusty trench
sleek ferry
Not stopping drawing is fundamentally different than stopping control, as long as obm exists control cannot imo
in modern at least
lusty trench
The last two (fifteenth and 1 other) are not yet revealed
dense berry
its one of those card designs that eliminates the viability of cards with low toughness as a downside which means either the format will move out of the scope of those small creatures being viable or wotc will have to push even harder for creatures with lower toughness to be playable
both of which is unhealthy
fallow citrus
I like the mill on cast and etb as a copy
sudden lava
ooh I like Rose Noble's effect
zinc shard
Ah finally, Fact of Fiction tribal
sudden lava
lusty trench
I think my main issue with fourteenth is most doctors suck
So he sucks by proxy
Which is a shame because his text box reads like such a good idea
Rose is kind of a boring design but decent for who set standards
And toymaker... Certainly is a card with text on it
I swear if the bonus card isn't "the doctor-donna" I'll be upset that didn't get a reference
zinc shard
none of the doctors are black right?
lusty trench
They aren't no
trail anvil
no, to both questions
golden plover
It's so weird they just... Brought tenant back
lusty trench
zinc shard
They did say in the series that ||The doctor may revisit old faces, but only his favorites||
lusty trench
It's so weird they just... Brought tenant back
fallow citrus
considering how good the 10th run was they can revisit tenant all they want
sudden lava
I only saw the first of the Who+ Specials
and based on 14th doctor's card, 15th doctor is gonna not have black in the color identity.
sudden lava
searching Esper cards that have "Pile" in their text
dont forget it works with guess to
zinc shard
ye looking that up next
sudden lava
zinc shard
... 6
that are legal
well attractions technically legal but eh
actually i guess Blufferfish would count, so 7
sudden lava
I find it funny The Seventh Doctor is an option for it
zinc shard
wait Spire Phantoms effect only works in draft
so 6
dense berry
14th doctor looks like fun for a 5 color [[proteus staff]] pile
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dense berry
janky but there has to be something here
sleek ferry
A lot of the dr who cards are pretty fun jank
They def achieved that part of the fantasy
trail anvil
surely we get them in the new permanent historic no banlist bo3 queue <:COPIUM:8...
I always believed
twilit canyon
@trail anvil @clever sun
trail anvil
fucking hype
twilit canyon
ian lied to us but im sure he was making sure we dont get too hype about it until the announcement
twilit canyon
rebalanced digital and original tabletops
so i can run og drc and alchemy symmetry sage
last glen
So this is the almost no banlist ladder?
sudden lava
Oh something cute about 14th, the way they did the mana cost you can put him into timeywimey or blast from the past (sadly paradox powers doesnt work due to white mana) as a commander with no mana base changes
twilit canyon
what i interpret this as, is u can choose to run the digital rebalanced cards or else they wouldnt need to specify this
trail anvil
the interpretation I got from this was that all cards that were printed on paper have the same text as their paper counterparts, and all digital-only cards are just their current versions
sudden lava
and he covers all their colors so any companion can work
trail anvil
I imagine that if this is the case that people will ask for stuff like buffed symmetry sage though in the future
twilit canyon
trail anvil
But what about Historic? The Historic format began as "the place to play with all of your cards on MTG Arena" but over time has shifted into a more curated format. We are happy with the state of Historic. It is balanced, made up of a diverse metagame of different decks, and offers a unique digital play experience. Historic maintains these qualities because we actively curate the format. We want the power level of Historic to continue to grow but don't want it to happen too quickly, as we believe it's in an enjoyable place right now. For these reasons, we have decided to pre-ban the Khans of Tarkir fetch lands from Historic but are excited to play with them in Timeless.
I get it but oof
I hope we get some fun cards to go with all this high power as time goes on
twilit canyon
we already have some fun ones
trail anvil
oh fuck minsc & boo and unholy heat are gonna be unnerfed
trail anvil
getting bo3 for this format is genuinely so hype though
twilit canyon
this powers up ragavan decks a lot
gonna stick to izzet
counterspell bolt ragavan drc heat
oh fetches does a lot
fatal push
broke
trail anvil
I forgot how many of these cards I don't own xd
time to stick on sultai/simic for a bit until I build up my collection
very smart on wizards' part
zinc shard
on the one hand format will be fun, but having to craft the cards sucks
clever sun
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/introducing-timeless-a-new-mtg-arena...
NO WAY
copper pecan
go into reddit thread about announcement
90% of it is complaining about alchemy cards being legal even though none of them are strong enough to compete in this format
why did i go on that godforsaken website
sleek ferry
The f2p grind never ends on mtga smh
fallow citrus
where's my mtga all access pass like mtgo does 😔
twilit canyon
>go into reddit thread about announcement
>90% of it is complaining about alchem...
cesspit of a website
dense berry
as a non arena player and a non reddit user ill just say that alchemy cards are typically outside of the design scope im used to after decades and i personally dont enjoy them at all whenever my friend lets me use his account to grind to top 100 or whatever
rich bronze
Aight I caved in and bought a playset of orcs
dense berry
to me it makes sense that they would be included in the format though given that if youre an arena player youre probably pretty used to arena exclusive design
did they skyrocket after this morning
rich bronze
Aight I caved in and bought a playset of orcs
Insane prices locally so even at €50 a pop it’s a good deal considering a SINGLE orc is on auction with 2 days left and it’s over that already
rich bronze
did they skyrocket after this morning
Not yet
lusty trench
Couldn’t you card market them? They’re like €30 there iirc
rich bronze
They’re €33+ so like 40 with shipping and I’m from Russia
if I wanted 4, even if I was in the EU, I’d be paying 160 euros after shipping minimum
lusty trench
Shame, sorry to hear that
rich bronze
yeah orcs are expensive
But hey
At least it’s not as bad as it is in Japan
Check this out @lusty trench https://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/products/detail/132951
And they sold 33 this week, Christ
That’s over 60 dollars
lusty trench
Bloody hell
dense berry
soon 60 will be cheap
rich bronze
Ya think orcs will climb?
dense berry
after dodging a banlist id imagine the feeding frenzy will inevitably ensue
especially as the fury ban to an extent will encourage starry eyed creature players
rich bronze
Yep, I snapped mine up from a vendor no one bothers to check for prices below the local market
I paid 4960 rubles per orc
~50 euro
For reference there’s a standing buy order at 5000
sudden lava
so in about 5 days we should know the last 2 doctor who mtg cards?
rich bronze
So below buy orders
rich bronze
so in about 5 days we should know the last 2 doctor who mtg cards?
Yep
trail anvil
I think they think it's fine without fetches but idk, pioneer didn't have them
but there's probably more reason to that
copper pecan
yeah i think without fetchs the delve cards are a lot less of a problem
twilit canyon
historic has way more of a way to turbo cards into the yard with drc
and faithless looting
i cant get t cruise or dig on the platform rn but i have some early timeless deck builds
missing lands are fetches
im still cooking up in this format though
only thing i skipped out on is the one ring in the sultai list but i think one ring may be kinda shit in this format
i do think ring would be good in this list though
both the ponza and rakdos list feel like they could potentially use drs
more timeless decks
might want the one ring but im unsure
atomic harness
Holy they killed fury what happens now @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
nothing much
atomic harness
also what was up the beanstalk 
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twilit canyon
an extremely hard to stop enchantment
atomic harness
real
atomic harness
yeah for sure, what were the big things being used to draw w it?
twilit canyon
card out there in the meta that outright says "fuck you stop drawing"
and beans just kept drawing
twilit canyon
yeah for sure, what were the big things being used to draw w it?
fury
solitude
leyline binding
it was so free
there was nothing u could do to stop the beans since spending removal on it is too wasted
but if it ran free it ran u over
twilit canyon
dies immediately
goes to try and splash white for solitude
or play orzhov
but its just not gonna be a stable deck
fury let it take over games against creature decks and win them really fast
without fury the deck's power significantly slows
copper pecan
scam really needs fury in order to work
twilit canyon
and thus falls off entirely
atomic harness
rip bozo 
twilit canyon
fury was their clock + their insurance against blockers
solitude isnt the same at all
atomic harness
oh did rhinos also play beanstalk 
twilit canyon
no
kinda
it became a case where a lot of ppl figured it was better to cascade into beanstalk than rhinos
or living end
atomic harness
insane
trail anvil
you think unholy heat cleanly answers oko?