Magic the Gathering

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/18/hushbringer

Hushbringer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Faerie
Flying, lifelink
Creatures entering the battlefield or dying don't cause abilities to trigger.
"Let's begin this conversation again, and this time you will only listen."
1/2

[hidden ermine]

I mean thankfully I was around enough during Theros to remember that Heliod is only used for dumb combos

I just wasnt sure what the pieces were

[twilit canyon]

ye

[clever sun]

I think the deck legit gets better if it drops CoCo and goes in on Kayla's

[hidden ermine]

Kept up full mana for the channel land in blue

[twilit canyon]

eh

idk

its just in such an awkward spot

alchemy introducing [[fragment reality]] def killed the deck to an extent

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https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/4/fragment-reality

Fragment Reality <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile target nontoken artifact, creature, or enchantment. Its controller puts a random creature card with lesser mana value from their library onto the battlefield tapped.

[twilit canyon]

on top of other random combo hosers

[clever sun]

Maybe

[hidden ermine]

[[Moon-circuit hacker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/67/moon-circuit-hacker

Moon-Circuit Hacker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Moon-Circuit Hacker deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card unless Moon-Circuit Hacker entered the battlefield this turn.
2/1

[clever sun]

Heliod is vulnerable and so is the Oak

Yeah that definitely doesn't help

[hidden ermine]

Wait ... whats the difference

Oh its the scry

[twilit canyon]

scry 2 isnt on the base card

buffed like [[a-symmetry sage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/A-56/a-symmetry-sage

A-Symmetry Sage <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flying
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, target creature you control has base power 3 until end of turn.
0/3

[twilit canyon]

[[symmetry sage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/56/symmetry-sage

Symmetry Sage <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flying
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, target creature you control has base power 2 until end of turn.
"By my calculations, I should be able to achieve true enlightenment before graduation."
0/2

[hidden ermine]

I thought it would be the Ninjitsu cost

[twilit canyon]

nope

just a small incidental upside to an already decent card

moon-circuit hacker is top tier in pauper blue faeries

and in legacy ninjas fwiw

[hidden ermine]

Huh, nice

[clever sun]

Yeah but RIP Legacy Ninjas

Deck is insanely ass

Delver just shoved it into a locker with superior card quality

[hidden ermine]

Oh Teferis Protection is in Historic

[clever sun]

And while Delver gets more toys every time a blue and red card is printed

[hidden ermine]

Thats wild

[clever sun]

Ninjas do not get the same treatment in Legacy

Oh yeah Tef's Protection was added

Moreso for HBrawl

But not for H proper

[twilit canyon]

its probably the best of that kind of effect?

its still mid af

no board state impact kills it

[clever sun]

Yeah

[hidden ermine]

... why did my opponent just veto with his last 2 mana against a casualtied make disappear?

[clever sun]

Because they are bad

[hidden ermine]

Oh my opponent used it for Lotus Field

[twilit canyon]

lol

[hidden ermine]

... which is cute

[twilit canyon]

oh

?

???

wait

what

veto on

what?

[hidden ermine]

Oh no Tef Protection for Lotus Field

[twilit canyon]

oh

ohh yea

right

[hidden ermine]

Veto for my Casualtied Make Disappear

[twilit canyon]

lotus control

[lusty trench]

...god damn it lotus field exists I needed that for my nissa edh deck

[clever sun]

I tried to make Lotus Jeskai and Lotus Azorius feel good

But they get dogged really hard

You always want to play [[Strict Proctor]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/33/strict-proctor

Strict Proctor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit Cleric
Flying
Whenever a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability to trigger, counter that ability unless its controller pays .
"You might believe being dead for centuries has made me more lenient. I think you'll find the opposite to be true."
1/3

[clever sun]

Which is free food for the opponent to cast Kroxa into it

and you literally lose from there

They go Kroxa -> Thoughtseize

You concede

The game is over from there

[twilit canyon]

imma fix scurry heliod

[hidden ermine]

Alright, one win away from Diamond

Lets hope I dont brick

[polar lake]

what format and what deck?

[hidden ermine]

Historic, and Ninjas

[twilit canyon]

[[dina soul-steeper]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper

Dina, Soul Steeper <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dryad Druid
Whenever you gain life, each opponent loses 1 life.
, Sacrifice another creature: Dina, Soul Steeper gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
1/3

[twilit canyon]

found the wincon

actually kill the opponent

pressures

[hidden ermine]

Nvm my opponent is an aggro deck that kept a one-lander

Didnt draw a second land yet

And there we go, got to diamond

Idk if Ill bother climbing to mythic tho

[twilit canyon]

once u hit diamond

mythic is literally around the corner

[hidden ermine]

Ninjas are super sick ngl, Im loving this deck

[twilit canyon]

its easy

the mythic ladder

now that

is its own experience

my decks and sb are so finely tuned to play vs that

[hidden ermine]

I mean Ill keep doing dailies

But I dont think Ill push for it

So its a question of, are dailies enough

... actually they might be

[twilit canyon]

uhh it depends

[hidden ermine]

Is there any way to check your win/loss ratio?

[twilit canyon]

untapped.gg

its an add-on for arena

unfort arena doesnt has an in-client way to check

[hidden ermine]

Shame

[twilit canyon]

jesus this deck is ass

im giving it 2 matches total

yea ok i won this game now im hosed in this match

yea id rather lose mythic rank with other garbage

[clever sun]

LOL

Yeah Scurry Heliod is real rough

[twilit canyon]

speaking of losing rank with jank

at least its fun to lose with this

[clever sun]

What the

White Devotion?

Okay this looks decent though

[twilit canyon]

its been ok

strictly a 50% winrate deck tho

[polar lake]

jank

theres no wincon to this deck

[hidden ermine]

Isnt it just "keep your opponents hand clear then hit them with small dudes"?

[polar lake]

i guess it is?

maybe i should put that calamity card in

where if its power is 1 or something like that

it deals 1 damage to your opponent

actually nah

[clever sun]

Seems like Kroxa is a wincon

[polar lake]

i guess so?

just need more wildcards so i can get inquisition and thoughtsieze

[sleek ferry]

Wild cards are so hard to come by

[twilit canyon]

i can refine that list for ya if u want

for explorer or historic

also nah wildcards are pretty plentiful nowdays with gold packs

all besides rare tbh

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been really liking [[rivaz]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/215/rivaz-of-the-claw

Rivaz of the Claw <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Viashino Warlock
Menace
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon creature spells.
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard.
Whenever you cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard, it gains "When this creature dies, exile it."
3/3

[twilit canyon]

since u need so many more rare wcs

[sleek ferry]

Well yeah

Rare is the one I need the most

Mythics are w.e

[polar lake]

historic

[twilit canyon]

do u wanna do discard tribal?

or do u just wanna play rakdos

[polar lake]

discard tribal

fuck why didnt i put raven man in here

oh yeah cause i dont got one

[twilit canyon]

raven man is p mid in historic anyhow

wouldnt waste wcs on him

[polar lake]

but i get 1/1 flyers if my opponent discards tho?

or if anyone discards

[twilit canyon]

yea but the worst part about a deck like that

is that u run out of cards

[polar lake]

ah

[twilit canyon]

like

at some point

ur opponent has discarded everything

[polar lake]

yeah

i see what you mean

[twilit canyon]

cards like raven man and [[waste not]] then lose all value

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https://scryfall.com/card/c16/117/waste-not

Waste Not <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add .
Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.

[twilit canyon]

in something discard heavy in rakdos

u will want thoughtseize and iok

lili of the veil

and then something to filter out dead hand hate

like [[seasoned pyromancer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/123/seasoned-pyromancer

Seasoned Pyromancer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
When Seasoned Pyromancer enters the battlefield, discard two cards, then draw two cards. For each nonland card discarded this way, create a 1/1 red Elemental creature token.
, Exile Seasoned Pyromancer from your graveyard: Create two 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

[[fable of the mirror breaker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/141/fable-of-the-mirror-breaker-reflection-of-kiki-jiki

Fable of the Mirror-Breaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Create a 2/2 red Goblin Shaman creature token with "Whenever this creature attacks, create a Treasure token."
II — You may discard up to two cards. If you do, draw that many cards.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Reflection of Kiki-Jiki
Enchantment Creature — Goblin Shaman
, : Create a token that's a copy of another target nonlegendary creature you control, except it has haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
Blessed by Keiga, the Tide Star, Kiki-Jiki would one day master the art of duplication.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

and [[crucias, titan of the waves]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/18/crucias-titan-of-the-waves

Crucias, Titan of the Waves <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Pirate
At the beginning of your end step, you may discard a card. If you do, create a Treasure token and choose ambitious or expedient. If you chose ambitious, seek a card with greater mana value than the discarded card. If you chose expedient, seek a card with lesser mana value than the discarded card.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

this way, dead discard spells become real spells or cards

the rest of the deck can kind of be whatever u want after that

removal spells are good

some strong creatures like bloodtithe harvester too

maybe planeswalkers like chandra torch of defiance

or even [[angrath, flame-chained]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rix/152/angrath-the-flame-chained

Angrath, the Flame-Chained <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Angrath
+1: Each opponent discards a card and loses 2 life.
−3: Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap it. It gains haste until end of turn. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step if it has mana value 3 or less.
−8: Each opponent loses life equal to the number of cards in their graveyard.
Loyalty: 4

[twilit canyon]

and of course the omni-present sheoldred, the apocalypse

[twilit canyon]

@polar lake sorry got busy in a few games but this is my current rakdos list

the core cards are iok, thoughtseize, fable, pyromancer, and crucias

everything else is your choice

u can run another kroxa for example

more chandras

more shelly

invoke despair

graveyard trespasser

lili of the veil

different removal spells

only alchemy cards in the list are crucias and [[molten impact]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/22/molten-impact

Molten Impact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Molten Impact deals 4 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If excess damage was dealt this way, when you cast your next instant or sorcery spell, Molten Impact deals damage equal to the excess to target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls.

[twilit canyon]

in any case

this deck is a legit tier 1 deck in historic and with minor changes, in explorer/pioneer

so u basically get 2 decks for 2 formats

and with some additional tweaking, a tier 1 standard deck

[polar lake]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5619376#paper

i just built this for pioneer

[twilit canyon]

can i recommend [[go blank]] over aggressive sabotage

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/72/go-blank

Go Blank <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target player discards two cards. Then exile that player's graveyard.
The only feeling worse than not knowing the answer is the certainty that you once did.

[twilit canyon]

i like cobru

its good in historic too but i prefer molten impact and the other 2 mana removal spells i run rn

also just imo but 4 duress is a bit overkill

if ur into it tho go for it

[polar lake]

oh god

exiles too

damn

[twilit canyon]

go blank is probs the best 3 mana hymn

its so brutal

[polar lake]

give us hymn in pioneer wotc you cowards

[twilit canyon]

nah hymn is too much lol

not cus its op or anything

[polar lake]

isnt it in historic cause of the archive?

[twilit canyon]

but bc random 2 cards for 2 mana is just too much

nah its not in historic

[polar lake]

damn it

[twilit canyon]

historic instead has [[undercity plunder]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/15/undercity-plunder

Undercity Plunder <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target opponent discards a card. Then they may discard an additional card. If they don't, conjure a duplicate of a random card from their library into your hand. It perpetually gains "You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast this spell."

[twilit canyon]

arguably

a lot better than hymn

but since it gives the opponent a choice on what they discard

[polar lake]

yeah cause you can conjure a random card from their deck

[twilit canyon]

its just a bit word

*worse

yea plunder at leat has use when ur opponent is hellbent

but it wont do like hymn where hymn will just randomly nuke your opponents 2 best cards

vs giving them a choice

[polar lake]

when did [[reckless impulse]] become a dollar?

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/174/reckless-impulse

Reckless Impulse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
A stitcher looks at their creation and sees the result of years of study and hours of toil. A devil sees a new plaything.

[twilit canyon]

pauper players going crazy

cus they have 8-impulse effects in red now

[polar lake]

i mean its a better light up the stage

[twilit canyon]

its not better strictly

its different for a different deck

[polar lake]

yeah

[twilit canyon]

[[wren's resolve]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/173/wrenns-resolve

Wrenn's Resolve <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
Even as she burned, Wrenn bent Realmbreaker to her will.

[polar lake]

jesus christ how many of these effects are there

[twilit canyon]

2 now

[polar lake]

but they wont give us hymn in pio

[twilit canyon]

thats the reason reckless impulse went up in price a bit cus its now used in a meta deck in pauper lol

hymn is just too random

it wont be reprinted even into modern

[polar lake]

ima say its in pauper burn or literally any pauper deck that plays red

[twilit canyon]

thats why they printed actual tourach into modern

but not his hymn

and nah surprisingly

resolve and impulse are used in a deck called kuldrotha aggro

[polar lake]

is that why kuldrotha rebirth also spiked?

[twilit canyon]

[[gleeful demolition]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/134/gleeful-demolition

Gleeful Demolition <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target artifact. If you controlled that artifact, create three 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature tokens.
Urabrask encourages creativity in all its forms, even the destructive ones. Especially the destructive ones.

[twilit canyon]

yep

since u now have a second kuldrotha rebirth effect

[polar lake]

isnt gleeful uncommon

[twilit canyon]

so u pair these with 0-1 mana artifacts that replace themselves

oh yea gleeful is an uncommon

its a modern deck too

i forget that pauper doesnt get gleeful

[polar lake]

i would know i managed to get 3 copies of gleeful demolition in my pre release deck lol

[twilit canyon]

modern gets all 8 copies

[polar lake]

i was spamming robotic gobbies left and right

[twilit canyon]

but pauper still runs kuldrotha with stuff like experimental frenzy

and reckless impulse and wrens resolve

[polar lake]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5410117#paper

is this the modern deck you were talkin about?

[twilit canyon]

yea this is a build of it

there are others that are more storm-like

and running [[ancient imperiosaur]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/174/ancient-imperiosaur

Ancient Imperiosaur <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Trample, ward
Ancient Imperiosaur enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it for each creature that convoked it.
6/6

[twilit canyon]

with the 8-whack

so u can haste in a massive dude for damage on t2-3

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5568960#paper

[polar lake]

i honestly want to build a [[sorin, imperious]] and [[ghalta and mav]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/115/sorin-imperious-bloodlord

Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
+1: Target creature you control gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn. If it's a Vampire, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
+1: You may sacrifice a Vampire. When you do, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord deals 3 damage to any target and you gain 3 life.
−3: You may put a Vampire creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 4

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/225/ghalta-and-mavren

Ghalta and Mavren <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Vampire
Trample
Whenever you attack, choose one —
• Create a tapped and attacking X/X green Dinosaur creature token with trample, where X is the greatest power among other attacking creatures.
• Create X 1/1 white Vampire creature tokens with lifelink, where X is the number of other attacking creatures.
12/12

[polar lake]

turn 2 or 3 12/12

[sleek ferry]

Reckless impulse and wrenn are pretty good card draw in a meta where 4cmc sheoldred exists too

[twilit canyon]

the sorin deck is funny

[sleek ferry]

Man, I really miss [[expressive iteration]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/186/expressive-iteration

Expressive Iteration <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand, put one of them on the bottom of your library, and exile one of them. You may play the exiled card this turn.
Prismari students dance in the tension between passion and perfection.

[polar lake]

same

i bought a foil copy to 😭

[sleek ferry]

I have a play set of foils by chance

This was when I was buying a lot of sealed product

https://youtube.com/shorts/S9aJ3kSZTlA?feature=share

Idt I agree with this list at all

Once and future is underrated

[twilit canyon]

average magic players playing commanders are not playing efficient spells to use once and future with

[clever sun]

"I flashback my Into the North/Three Visits/Explore"

Yeah Once and Future does fuckall at a casual level

That said, no sword is cEDH level so whatever

[broken fjord]

I think I've seen Feast and Famine a couple times at CEDH tables, and maybe Hearth and Home once. Both cases were fringe where they synergized with the gameplan.

[twilit canyon]

oswald sometimes runs fire and ice

koll has niche use with the swords but they serve as tech cards for u to run

[dapper jacinth]

Pokémon is goated

Also thank you for saving some time from my life

I don't need to watch that video now

[waxen timber]

Magic would be a lot higher if you did modern instead of standard.

[twilit canyon]

right but standard is way more played than modern

[dapper jacinth]

Also its a comparison of standard formats

[waxen timber]

Is standard in paper more played than modern? Standard if you include online stuff like Arena is way more popular but, I have no idea about just paper

[twilit canyon]

standard isnt played more in paper until gps and the pro tour come on

but it is still the most played format besides commander/kitchen table

[dapper jacinth]

Kitchen table?

Is that just random decks?

[glad peak]

Random cards you have lying around that may have a theme

Or cards you liked in a deck you built over years of collecting from sets you’ve played

[dense berry]

i need to get a eureka

[dense berry]

welp the seller refunded my rite of flame and they didnt request the mutagenic growth

score

[twilit canyon]

its common yea cus it feels unreasonable to ask for the card back cus u cant guarantee it will be shipped in the exact same way and thus can result in the card being damaged thus they end up losing potentially a card too

[dense berry]

i have a mild phobia of shipping cards

the post is so sketchy

[twilit canyon]

yea i dont trust like that

overworked, underpaid, no sense of real protection to items shipped

[hidden ermine]

Oh, hammer time is in historic

Shame I had the edict

[hidden ermine]

And now I lost to a mizzix mastery deck because I couldnt find any card advantage in the top 15 cards of my deck o.0

I dont even know what the odds of that are

[clever sun]

Hammer is real yeah

[hidden ermine]

... so how do you stop the unearthed Priest of Fell Rites into Serra combo

I dont think you can cast a kill spell inbetween, can you?

I mean between unearth and Priests effect activating

[clever sun]

Between Unearth -> Priest no

Because it is an activated ability

You stop them by exiling their stuff

You have options

[[Cling to Dust]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/87/cling-to-dust

Cling to Dust <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a creature card, you gain 3 life. Otherwise, you draw a card.
Escape—, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
In bleak Tizerus, all hope crumbles in your grasp.

[clever sun]

This one is somewhat maindeckable

[[Soul-Guide Lantern]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/237/soul-guide-lantern

Soul-Guide Lantern <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
When Soul-Guide Lantern enters the battlefield, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice Soul-Guide Lantern: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
, , Sacrifice Soul-Guide Lantern: Draw a card.

[clever sun]

Less so but stronger

[hidden ermine]

I see

Tbh Im not sure I run into reanimator often enough to main these

I guess Ill just hope to draw more gas for those matchups

[clever sun]

Removal counter is a great way to stop them yeah

[hidden ermine]

I was hoping to use [[Sheoldreds Edict]] but

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/108/sheoldreds-edict

Sheoldred's Edict <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices a nontoken creature.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature token.
• Each opponent sacrifices a planeswalker.
"Congratulations. I am entertained."

[hidden ermine]

Well for one they had a random stichers supplier

But also Im not sure you can edict under Serra calling instants?

Oh wait its each opponent

[clever sun]

Edict beats a lone Angel

[copper pecan]

so is old atraxa bad in hbrawl or what

i haven't seen very many people use her

[clever sun]

Old Atraxa is bad in general

[trail anvil]

she saw a lot of hype around her release (obviously) but I think she's pretty balanced as a commander

I imagine she's pretty popular in commander cause people really love proliferate as a mechanic?

the commander I play against the most though is definitely tatyova

[dense berry]

when she released she was more expensive than her precon

four color symbol commanders didnt age well

jeweled lotus makes basically any commander that cant cast off of it well unplayable imo

[sleek ferry]

[[tatyova]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “tatyova”, can you be more specific?

[trail anvil]

[[tatyova, benthic druid]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/206/tatyova-benthic-druid

Tatyova, Benthic Druid <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life and draw a card.
"Yavimaya is one being—one vastness of rippling leaves, one deepness of roots, and one chatter of animals—of which I am one part."
3/3

[sleek ferry]

Oh this bitch

She’s fine

[trail anvil]

people like her cause it's super easy for her effect to get out of hand if left unchecked

[hidden ermine]

More to the point people like planeswalkers

Though that mightve changed in recent years

But yeah no, shes still insanely popular as a commander

I believe she has the most decks on EDHRec by a respectable 4k margin?

[sudden lava]

little less then 4k

[rigid scarab]

I have not seen a single Atraxa deck

[hidden ermine]

Thats ... a little more than 4k

[rigid scarab]

Where's everyone playing her

[sudden lava]

unless I cant math

22808 - 19795

[rigid scarab]

I've seen Yuriko

Ur Dragon

Edgar

No Atraxa

[sudden lava]

3013

thats the gap

[hidden ermine]

ITs 18795

Not 19795

[sudden lava]

oh mb

so 4013

[trail anvil]

at another locals by the sound of it

https://aetherhub.com/Metagame/Historic-Brawl/ btw supposedly she's still the most popular hbrawl commander, although I haven't seen her

at least within the last 7 days it's been etali which makes more sense

[rigid scarab]

There's gotta be like

Someone with Atraxa posters all over their walls

Who send bot accounts to make Atraxa decks

And send them in

[hidden ermine]

Wait, Atraxa is in historic?

Oh

New Atraxa

Is Historic Brawl a permanent queue now?

[trail anvil]

bruh it's been permanent for a year or two now

[hidden ermine]

I have not played Arena in longer than that

Maybe I should make a historic brawl deck then

[trail anvil]

yeah it's really easy cause you only need one of everything

[sudden lava]

the UR dragon reprint is so needed

[trail anvil]

also it's both atraxas

[hidden ermine]

Huh

[sudden lava]

75 dollars

[hidden ermine]

Wack

[trail anvil]

old atraxa was brought to historic with MUL

[hidden ermine]

Uhhh

I have no idea what that means

[rigid scarab]

Multiverse Legends

[hidden ermine]

Ah, ic

Tbh the main problem is I have no idea what I would build in historic brawl

I assume Yuriko is not in

[twilit canyon]

nop

[hidden ermine]

Shame

Any rogue commanders?

[dense berry]

i cant believe golos is banned tbh

i honestly wanna write an open letter to sheldon and ask him why 5 color lands kinda matter is too good

[rigid scarab]

He was banned because "We don't want a homogenous 5 color goodstuff"

Kenrith

[trail anvil]

zareth san

[hidden ermine]

[[Zareth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/242/zareth-san-the-trickster

Zareth San, the Trickster <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Rogue
Flash
, Return an unblocked attacking Rogue you control to its owner's hand: Put Zareth San, the Trickster from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking.
Whenever Zareth San deals combat damage to a player, you may put target permanent card from that player's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
4/4

[hidden ermine]

Hm

[trail anvil]

[[kaito dancing shadow]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/204/kaito-dancing-shadow

Kaito, Dancing Shadow <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, you may return one of them to its owner's hand. If you do, you may activate loyalty abilities of Kaito twice this turn rather than only once.
+1: Up to one target creature can't attack or block until your next turn.
0: Draw a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 colorless Drone artifact creature token with deathtouch and "When this creature leaves the battlefield, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life."
Loyalty: 3

[hidden ermine]

... you dont get to use his pseudo-ninjitsu at all do you

[trail anvil]

that's another option

[trail anvil]

nah you do if you run creatures

I personally just run him as a flash commander for a "play the opponent's deck" type of thing

well ig you need ninjas

[hidden ermine]

Wait how

Oh you bounce him first

[dense berry]

the worst part is kenrith is better in a lot of ways

[trail anvil]

you can bounce with ninjitsu ye

not that you'd want to lul

[hidden ermine]

I mean I wanted to avoid just doing ninja stuff because ...

Well I already play Ninjas in historic

Oh Krydle could be interesting

[trail anvil]

oh yeah krydle should be decent, and he's even buffed

[hidden ermine]

The only problem is I suck at deckbuilding

And I suspect resources for that deck are ... limited

[sudden lava]

Im excited for the 19 new sagas we getting

[trail anvil]

nah one sec

https://mtgdecks.net/Historic-Brawl/krydle-of-baldur-s-gate @hidden ermine here's a bunch of example deck lists

some are older but it should give you a lot of ideas as to how to put together this deck for hbrawl

[hidden ermine]

Ic

[twilit canyon]

krydle is strong as many early drop commanders are

[hidden ermine]

I can believe that, I just suck at deckbuilding

[sleek ferry]

If I do hbrawl, you already know what I’m doing

Party time baby

[twilit canyon]

it also can be a case not about sucking at deckbuilding but rather

brawl is a surprisingly expensive format on arena

there are a ton of wildcards u need

[hidden ermine]

Oh im sure, but its not like I'm spending em on much else

[twilit canyon]

can always be building up more historic decks to have variety

i personally use 2-3 different historic decks to make my mythic climbs

[trail anvil]

for me I have a shit ton of hbrawl decks built (some better quality than the others)

my current main suite is toski, garruk 6, glissa, go-shintai, zareth san, chandra 6 (m20?) and lagrella

[twilit canyon]

hello mill player

[atomic harness]

tarmogoyf

[twilit canyon]

the list

side is a wip for now

not sure if i want something other than audacity

but its a p solid enchantment for this deck and helps enable goyf

invasion of ikoria being a pseudo-reanimate spell is surprisingly relevant

and can serve as a pseudo-reanimate with lurrus too

wait no it cant nvm

cant lurrus cast it from yard that way

[rigid scarab]

Man

TCC's EDH stipulations actually sound fun

• $100/$50 budget

• Play a Power level 7

• Pass your deck to the player to your right/left

• No cards printed past New Phyrexia

• Make a deck for one of your opponents

• You choose your opening hand

• Bring a 'fast' deck

• Your commander is face-down until you play it

[lusty trench]

power level 7

[rigid scarab]

Thats the joke

[trail thorn]

https://youtu.be/-yoUQiRp3Zg Hey guys my friend is a magic player and in spare time he open a boxes and bundles on you tube

[polar lake]

do i have a problem with my deck names?

[fallow citrus]

perhaps

[sudden lava]

I just had a thought

what if Blast from the Past has a saga theme?

if we're getting a saga for 19 different episodes with at least 1 from every doctor's respective run, then Blast from the Past (which has the first 8 doctors) should therefor possibly have 8 sagas

[subtle sierra]

Chandra be like "imma banish despair"

[dapper jacinth]

honestly no its funny

[hidden ermine]

How many lifepoints does Historic Brawl have?

I assume its not the full 40

[clever sun]

25

[clever sun]

Chandra exiling Invoke is the reason she is played because it feels just so insane

[twilit canyon]

i love destroying ppl

shoutouts to my opponent for playing thru the mana screw but crucias is unbeatable when he curves out

[clever sun]

Gross

[copper pecan]

man, if they don't have a card that conjures colossal dreadmaws in alchemy ixalan i will be so disappointed

this is our only chance for dreadmaw to see competitive play

[clever sun]

TRUE

[hidden ermine]

Is Brudiclad any good in historic brawl?

[twilit canyon]

hes ok

i think my sister would know more tho

[copper pecan]

i haven't seen anyone use him and i play a lot of historic brawl

[polar lake]

take a guess on what my "Britney Bitch" deck is

[clever sun]

Brudiclad is too hard to abuse Imo

[trail anvil]

I've played against him once and lost, but I had a slow start

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/LgKchM7K4hs

[dapper jacinth]

Idk I don't play arena really

[sleek ferry]

I’m actually so surprised abzan midrange lost

But hazored kinda cracked for a mono red deck

[dense berry]

the seller dm'd me today asking if i could return the mutagenic growth

i think i wont though because realistically nobody wins either way

the seller full refunded both orders, likely and will end up paying shipping like 6 times in total

i think its better that at least the buyer gets to win instead of a full wash for everyone

like mutas are around 10 dollars, shipping that many times will be like 10-12 dollars anyway

[atomic harness]

do you think you could pay him like half for the muta or something

[dense berry]

i mean i could but i never set out to get a foil muta anyway, i dont really have any use for it

i just dont wanna assume responsibility for this item and also have to go out of my way to ship it for literally no upside to me

really no upside to anybody since the buyers lose time and the seller loses money

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

man I can't wait to get 8 rare wildcards in 9 days

[sleek ferry]

Expecting fable ban and what else?

[copper pecan]

sheoldred is getting banned for sure

absolutely zero chance she's not getting banned

[sleek ferry]

That would be 4 rare 4 mythics

But also like idt you can says anything besides fable is def getting banned

Fable is curving these decks way too easily

[hidden ermine]

Bankbuster no?

[sleek ferry]

Nah, idt bankbuster is on the chopping block

It’s legitly
Fable
4 cmc Sheoldred
Invoke Despair ?

I would personally want to see Atraxa gone, but that’s a personal preference

[clever sun]

Fable and Sheoldred should be it

But maybe they should also ban the Triomes

[copper pecan]

i feel like that's pretty unlikely

i don't think they've ever banned dual lands in standard

or tri lands i guess

[clever sun]

While true, this would actually do a lot

[copper pecan]

fair

spicy take but they've printed too many untapped duals

it's becoming way too easy to go 4+ colors in non-rotating formats

[hidden ermine]

Isnt it just the same duals in non-rotating formats as weve had for years?

[fallow citrus]

not really a spicy take I hear that a fair amount nowadays

all fetches and duals being in modern means you can play 4/5c fairly painlessly

obvs not all duals but i'm lazy

[hidden ermine]

Like the biggest change in modern mana-base for 4c decks is that triomes are being run to use off of fetchlands no?

[fallow citrus]

also a lot of generation of treasure tokens

fable allows you to fix your mana insanely well

yeah the new triomes help a lot of naturally "slower" decks anyway

like creativity and 4c elementals can afford to play the 1 of triomes to fetch because they're not needing all their mana immediately

[hidden ermine]

Realistically Fetches are the issue

[fallow citrus]

well yeah but this is an age old discussion to my knowledge

[copper pecan]

yeah but you can't ban fetches without people getting mad

[fallow citrus]

fetches are never realistically getting touched

[hidden ermine]

That much is true

[fallow citrus]

but again I think part of the problem is making treasures

ragavan connects, 1 mana of anything

fable drops and you swing, 1 mana of anything

you could have only drawn mountains but still cast good blue spells because you had a ragavan swing twice

or fable token swung once or twice

there are a lot of things that make the mana issues in non rotating format even bigger when they all come together

[sleek ferry]

Don’t forget that trading into fable token is such a neg

[fallow citrus]

yeah interacting with the token sucks

[sleek ferry]

Your best case scenario most times is letting them get 1 treasure, chump block the token and save interaction for their 4/5 drop, but even then, that’s not something good players are going to easily play into

[twilit canyon]

blood moon is so strong bc of this

in modern

murktide likes it

rhinos likes it

creativity likes it

mono-red midrange likes it

i also dont think banning fetches is the answer as strong as they are

[sleek ferry]

Eh, I think an argument can be made for banning fetches with the dual land pool becoming as diverse as it is

In another 5-10 years modern might have access to perfect mana bases the way the trajectory of the game is going

[twilit canyon]

we already do

any deck can make a perfect mana base

they have been able to since they printed the allied fetches and enemy fetches and then printed the shocklands

the thing with modern is that it has a capstone in how greedy your mana base can be

bc of blood moon

blood moon, ghost quarter, field of ruin, now boseiju too

choke, boil, pillage

modern has so many tools to punish greedy mana bases

spreading seas too

and they are greedy even at 5c

theres a reason even legacy and vintage dont want or care to go more than 3c or 4c with exceptions

[trail anvil]

[[sheoldred's assimilator]] jesus why is this a 2-drop

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/10/sheoldreds-assimilator

Sheoldred's Assimilator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Menace
Whenever Sheoldred's Assimilator enters the battlefield or attacks, exile up to one target card from a graveyard. If a card is exiled this way, you may conjure a duplicate of that card into the top five cards of your library at random.
3/1

[trail anvil]

even without the conjure this feels way above rate with menace and the exile on etb + attack

[twilit canyon]

cus its 1 toughness so its like

lowkey unplayable

[atomic harness]

Tell em misty

[twilit canyon]

also it is a fake 2 drop

the etb rarely triggers on its initial etb

unless its later in the game

[trail anvil]

wym

also does the 1 toughness matter, even if it was 2 it would still die to bloodtithe

[twilit canyon]

2 or less sucks yea

getting eaten by a single bloodtithe

but not just that

[[melt through]] and other shocks from mono-red

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/10/melt-through

Melt Through <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Melt Through deals 2 damage to any target. If it's a creature, it perpetually gains "As long as this creature is on the battlefield, damage isn't removed from it during cleanup steps."

[twilit canyon]

[[end the festivities]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/155/end-the-festivities

End the Festivities <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
End the Festivities deals 1 damage to each opponent and each creature and planeswalker they control.
When the defenses around Lurenbraum Fortress faltered, the Crimson Ballroom received some unexpected guests.

[fallow citrus]

infect??

god I wish I could huff that much copium

[twilit canyon]

this is top 8 of the mocs

infect is good in modern

[fallow citrus]

fr? not heard about infect being good in modern in a hot minute

[twilit canyon]

its not a tier 1 threat but it is a potent deck in the format

its very strong at beating creativity and hammer in a lot of cases

great mu vs elementals at times

[fallow citrus]

hmm okay

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/13nrsh6/ltr_possible_lotr_commander_deck_leak/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[hidden ermine]

No green for ||Aragorn|| feels weird

[dense berry]

the pinkertons are on their way now

[twilit canyon]

i just destroyed this person on a subatomic level

ppl need to stop playing elves in ranked

lmfao

[sleek ferry]

Elves and merfolk are what people like

Btw I’m so sick that the dragon battle is a mythic

[lusty trench]

Card is so good

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I got styled on by a dragon deck last week

Maybe post banlist and if they get a couple of more things next set they’ll be able to do something

[trail anvil]

elves feel like you're just praying the opp doesn't have removal

[sleek ferry]

Anytime I see elves in explorer I assume they’re playing gruul

When it turns out it’s just elves it’s like lol

They usually quit if you remove anything

[twilit canyon]

i just gix commanded an elf player for their entire board

i love elves

[lusty trench]

It's funny like bro

Please

Splash another colour so you can get some decent protection

[twilit canyon]

wont help them

[lusty trench]

Or better yet play something that isn't cope

[hidden ermine]

Are elves bad?

They seemed alright to me whenever I ran into them

[lusty trench]

They're solitaire

[twilit canyon]

solitaire that folds to board wipes hard

[lusty trench]

Actually no house of cards is a better comparison

[copper pecan]

they die pretty hard to board wipes

[twilit canyon]

and every deck is packing some sort of board wipe

itd be one thing if they like

survived 3 dmg wipes like brotherhoods end

[hidden ermine]

Ah

[twilit canyon]

but even gix's command eats them

[hidden ermine]

That might be it

Ninjas dont run boardwipes

[twilit canyon]

merfolk often survive 3 damage wipes

humans do too

merfolk also can counter p much every board wipe except for supreme verdict

(for now)

[sleek ferry]

Anybody want to guess how I won this game

[waxen timber]

Crew the vehicle, stormseeker give it haste, flip ikora, don't die for a turn then attack with monsters that they can't stop from dealing damage to them?

[sleek ferry]

Yeah basically

[zinc shard]

Stonks day

[trail anvil]

having the leftover gold cause they're not charging 50 kinda bothers me but owell

also remember not to buy fable or bankbuster unless you wanna use them in some non standard format

[sleek ferry]

Wym, you should buy them now

So you get the wildcards for them

And have them available for non standard formats

[twilit canyon]

i think komi means the card styles

[sleek ferry]

Oh right

But even then, if it gets banned, how often would the art styles pop back in the shop?

[dense berry]

wotc pulling the classic "buy this thing now right before we ban it" huh

[zinc shard]

Looks like Fable and Bankbuster got taken off the store

[golden plover]

Lmao they know

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/coL_Amazonian/status/1660725031771447326?t=7qpZR55YNjP8qpA8qn-JJg&s=19

Amy the Amazonian ☕ (@coL_Amazonian)

apparently Reckoner Bankbuster and Fable of the Mirror Breaker were REMOVED from today's MTGA daily deals

POTENTIAL BANS INCOMING

Likes

284

Twitter · May 22, 2023, 7:11 PM

its over

[golden plover]

Good now if only they'll ban Fable in Pioneer too

[twilit canyon]

fable is going nowhere in pioneer

[golden plover]

Probably not, but Fable is a stupid fucking card

[lusty trench]

Tfw I'm in a generating value competition and there's a goblin looking at me through a mirror

[trail anvil]

I can't believe they actually removed it lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/13p9kq9/ban_announcement_got_leaked/ supposed leaked banlist, obvious spoilers

the only source for this is the dude saying this was from the same 4chan dude who always gets it right by scraping the site, so take it with a very big grain of salt

[subtle sierra]

Grain of salt or not, those are 3 cards i play playsets of

[trail anvil]

that's 12 wildcards

which deck are you playing?

[twilit canyon]

itd be an interesting set of bans

[trail anvil]

yeah it feels very wizards at the same time though

[twilit canyon]

i actually agree with all of them tho

[subtle sierra]

Rakdos control

So ||bankbuster despair fable||

[trail anvil]

you didn't run ||atraxa|| too?

[subtle sierra]

I'm on chandra

[trail anvil]

ah right, valid

||rip I wonder how potent she'll be sans invoke despair||

[subtle sierra]

I like her in general, even without it, but it's a great deal of her power

We'll have to see how this'll go down

I like reanimator stuff too, but we lose ||atraxa||

Etali is still there but

[trail anvil]

etali is still a very prime reanimation target

[subtle sierra]

If ||fable|| is gone i might just go for mono black, idk

[trail anvil]

||I wonder if you unironically use corrupt to finish the game in monoblack now that invoke despair is dead||

[twilit canyon]

nope

[subtle sierra]

I always liked dimir more, but idt we have something good in standard rn

[twilit canyon]

black goes to aggro especially if we remove ||wedding and esper legends||

[subtle sierra]

I miss the 5 mana ashiok

[trail anvil]

||you have underdog, trespasser and what else for aggro||

[trail anvil]

same, they were a very fun card

[twilit canyon]

||fleshgorger||

[subtle sierra]

||the sleeper? But it's more of a midrange||

[twilit canyon]

||shelly too bc she is insanely good as a top end aggro card||

[sleek ferry]

Kinda crazy that every card I said I hated including ||plaza of heroes|| is in that “leak”

||Wedding announcement|| is kinda random but understandable

Without ||invoke despair|| around, ||wedding announcement|| just goes unchecked vs black

[trail anvil]

||I mean it's just a ridiculously strong card in general, despair or not. white has a ridiculous amount of value, even without wandering emperor||

||at this point if this list is real I actually really vibe with the 3 year rotation cause we essentially got a rotation anyways and we get to keep cool less OP cards from before||

[sleek ferry]

Tbh, I kinda wish I hadn’t seen this, because now anything but a kill list of this magnitude will be disappointing

[subtle sierra]

Sigh, anything in standard dimir wise is either leaning heavily on black and stuff like despair, or is the toxic poliferate stuff

[sleek ferry]

I kinda worry that I’m going to be seeing more toxic now

And toxic in general is unfun to play vs

[trail anvil]

in bo1 for sure

||toxic, soldiers and monowhite maybe?||

[sleek ferry]

Mono red should still be a thing

[subtle sierra]

I hate toxic personally, i just don't like playing vs it, even if it isn't strong

[trail anvil]

||with wedding announcement and fable gone, hopefully board wipes are much stronger||

[subtle sierra]

Why do i see myself spamming voidwing hybrids in the future

[sleek ferry]

Rakdos prob just goes back to like ob nix, or maybe an artifact build with the oil counter artifacts that would make it a bit more aggro

I actually think jeskai has a chance now

[hidden ermine]

... huh

Im surprised thats banworthy

Is it just enough good legendaries for a good stuff pile, or something like Kethis combo?

[trail anvil]

just doing a bot call with all those spoilers

[twilit canyon]

not banned in historic its being banned in standard

[hidden ermine]

Oh whoops

||Yeah I know, same story in standard||

||it doesnt seem banworthy at first glance, so Im wondering if there is a Kethis combo-like deck in standard||

||Or if its just goodstuff||

[twilit canyon]

there is currently ||an esper legends deck that would become the 2nd best deck in the format instantly should rakdos die||

[trail anvil]

||yeah and raffine ban alone would not kill it, especially with thalia and rona still intact||

[hidden ermine]

||Ah, just goodstuff then||

[trail anvil]

OOOOOOF

[twilit canyon]

tamiyo

[trail anvil]

this is why she's the best ❤️

or was the best, RIP

||welp I got 2 mythic wildcards, time to craft 2 more atraxa. either I get a super strong card or 4 more wildcards ||

[atomic harness]

||HUHH why did TWE die?||

I thought there were other more problematic cards

[trail anvil]

||nah that's one of the big ones||

||with rakdos out of the picture, white steps back in as best color||

[twilit canyon]

||emperor is fucking absurd ren. easy contention for 2nd-4th best walker ever printed.||

[atomic harness]

|| I know ||

[hidden ermine]

||That ... seems like a pretty strong claim given that T3feri, Oko and Jtms exist||

[atomic harness]

|| I thought sheoldred choked the meta, is it rly fine to leave her untouched? same w bloodtithe? Or is losing fabled invoked and bankbuster that bad for black and rakdos?||

[hidden ermine]

||Oh and W6||

||JTMS is mostly relative to its time though, card fell off after that||

[twilit canyon]

||jace unplayable. oko is undisputed 1st. w6, minsc and boo and karn tgc can all give arguments for 2nd-4th but emperor is there with them||

[atomic harness]

|| what about t3f ||

[hidden ermine]

||Yeah it was relative to its time, when it came out JTMS was absurdly broken||

||But isnt T3feri still seeing wide play in basically all formats its legal in?||

[twilit canyon]

nope

t3f is good but he doesnt win the game

every walker above him does

plenty of decks can outright ignore t3f

[atomic harness]

guess so
But yeah misty can I ask regarding this

[twilit canyon]

||thats the wotc plan||

[hidden ermine]

I guess? Not sure Id use that metric though, myself

[twilit canyon]

||hope the bans are enough to keep harvester and shelly lower||

[twilit canyon]

in abject power level it matters

[hidden ermine]

||Id rather look at how many formats the card is seeing wide play in, and Im pretty sure T3feri even sees some play in Vintage in Initiative||

[atomic harness]

Gotcha thats fair

[twilit canyon]

its a huge reason minsc and boo and emperor are so strong

wincons + insane utility in their formats

their ca swings are brutal too

[atomic harness]

why did ||my baby have to die though, they even said she was on the decline. would esper legends be the best deck had only rakdos taken the hit and then raffine wouldve been overwhelming?||

[twilit canyon]

ye

[hidden ermine]

||Wheres Minsc and Boo seeing play?||

[twilit canyon]

legacy vintage cedh

and historic

tho he is only legal there and alchemy

[hidden ermine]

Oh I meant the deck rather than the format

[atomic harness]

|| misty im getting like a billion wildcards back from this list||

[hidden ermine]

I only know two R/G Legacy decks off the top of my head and I dont think its in those, but Im not up to date on R/G/X piles in Legacy

[atomic harness]

||Not sure I wanna play standard though without raff or twe ||

[twilit canyon]

legacy: jeskai control
vintage: various control piles
historic: jund mid
alchemy: jund mid

[hidden ermine]

... wait arent they R/G, how is Jeskai playing it

[twilit canyon]

exactly

its better to splash for them

toss in 1 trop or 1 taiga or 1 volc

u have 2 non-cope legacy control wincons

emperor or mnb

[atomic harness]

@subtle sierra ||are we going back to mono black?||

[subtle sierra]

No idea

[hidden ermine]

Wouldnt you just call that 4cc?

[subtle sierra]

I'll wait for the actual list

[hidden ermine]

Rather than Jeskai

[twilit canyon]

itd be ur only non-jeskai card so no

[atomic harness]

|| sleeper mike tyson sheoldred tresspasser are still around||

[subtle sierra]

||despair dying is what I'm sad about, but i understand||

[atomic harness]

and theyre still good kinda

[subtle sierra]

True

Sigh i miss lolth and blood on the snow

[atomic harness]

Oh and ||lotv ofc||

[twilit canyon]

||mono black aggro real||

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

hopped off my laptop but i can make a list rq

[atomic harness]

Sounds hype

||is rdw still ultra garbo||

[subtle sierra]

I kinda want to make dimir work, but mono black just sounds better

[hidden ermine]

Huh, interesting

[atomic harness]

||Yeah idt theres enough good splash for blue||

[hidden ermine]

I would've figured if youre splashing for them anyway, might as well play other good green cards

[atomic harness]

||whats the benefit? like make disappear negate and march?||

[subtle sierra]

Ren it isn't really a splash, it's just toxic into proliferate

Different deck altogether

[atomic harness]

Ah okay

[subtle sierra]

And it has shit like [[voidwing hybrid]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/221/voidwing-hybrid

Voidwing Hybrid <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Bat
Flying
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
When you proliferate, return Voidwing Hybrid from your graveyard to your hand.
2/1

[atomic harness]

the blue prolif stuff

[subtle sierra]

Yeah we have a ton

[atomic harness]

hmm did rotpriest ever do anything in standard?

I heard about it initially but not anymore after a while

it's really cute in modern infect

[subtle sierra]

But by the time you have enough toxic, they're dropping etalis at you

[atomic harness]

etali the new one?

[subtle sierra]

Yeah the big red bunger

Idt you can come close to closing out the game by t7

And bouncing etali sounds uber bad

At least etali won't hit ||atraxa||

And what they grab off me should be low value

[hidden ermine]

Im guessing Etali is played in ramp decks to be able to sometimes cheat cards into play, rather than for the flipside right?

[subtle sierra]

Yes, reanimator

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

But it isn't uncommon to just drop it

If the matchup allows it

You can gix it t5 and it's really good, but you can just drop it t7 too

Earlier if you have fable and the goblin didn't die

[hidden ermine]

Wait reanimator? I assumed it was just your standard green ramp deck

[subtle sierra]

Standard etali is red

[hidden ermine]

Well G/x

[subtle sierra]

[[Etali primal conqueror]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness

Etali, Primal Conqueror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Trample
When Etali, Primal Conqueror enters the battlefield, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
: Transform Etali. Activate only as a sorcery.
7/7

Etali, Primal Sickness
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elder Dinosaur
Trample, indestructible
Whenever Etali, Primal Sickness deals combat damage to a player, they get that many poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
The contagion spreads and the Multiverse quakes.
11/11

[hidden ermine]

Using whatever the newest [[Explosive Vegetation]] with upside is

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/132/explosive-vegetation

Explosive Vegetation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Torching Krosa would be pointless. It grows faster than it burns.

[hidden ermine]

Iirc one of the battles is one

[twilit canyon]

@subtle sierra @atomic harness
||https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tLDCrXA58k6W-lUX0-MifA||

[subtle sierra]

I mean you can play that, but why not just gix it or multiverse it

And play black - a way better color atm

Especially when rakdos is everywhere

[atomic harness]

||fleshgorger ||

[subtle sierra]

Idt i ever transformed etali, besides to style on my opponent

[hidden ermine]

Im not in tune with standard rn, Im just guessing based on how standard usually goes

Since reanimation is historically iffy in standard

What with Wizards being afraid to print efficient reanimation

[subtle sierra]

Reanimator is popular in standard

[twilit canyon]

its strong rn

[atomic harness]

YO Is that dauthi voidwalker at home?!!!

[subtle sierra]

Gix is a good reanimator

[twilit canyon]

tho it has tools for it

[subtle sierra]

Like really strong

[atomic harness]

[[misery's shadow]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/107/miserys-shadow

Misery's Shadow <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Shade
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
: Misery's Shadow gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
In the ruins of Kroog, only anguish thrived.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

cruelty of gix, invasion of amonkhet

2 big reanimator cards

[subtle sierra]

multiverse too

[hidden ermine]

[[Invasion of Amonkhet]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/231/invasion-of-amonkhet-lazotep-convert

Invasion of Amonkhet <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Amonkhet enters the battlefield, each player mills three cards, then each opponent discards a card and you draw a card. (To mill three cards, a player puts the top three cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Defense: 4

Lazotep Convert
Creature — Zombie
You may have Lazotep Convert enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature card in a graveyard, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
As the lazotep covered his body, he heard Norn's voice fade from a deafening clarion to a distant whisper.
4/4

[hidden ermine]

Huh, I see

[subtle sierra]

wait dimir has a reanimator?

why didn't i know this

wtf

[twilit canyon]

its 1 of the most popular battles

[subtle sierra]

i don't know how but i literally see this for the first time

i never saw this on arena

and i like it

[hidden ermine]

Tbh battles have had an ... odd reception

[twilit canyon]

its great

yea some ppl just dont know quite yet how to feel about em

[hidden ermine]

Like for an entirely new card type it feels like the hype just ... didnt end up being there?

[twilit canyon]

which is understandable

yea the battles are balanced so u dont really get sensationalized content

like

no "omg new battle broke standard!"

[subtle sierra]

hmm amonkhet is cheaper but like, you have to kill it

[twilit canyon]

or "x battle is soooo op!"

[subtle sierra]

idt dimir has a good thing to kill it with

[hidden ermine]

I guess theyre also just not as flashy as walkers were way back when

[twilit canyon]

turning sideways

the way god intended

[subtle sierra]

and if it does, it prob doesn't fit with reanimator

[twilit canyon]

hidetsugu and kairi

and shelly

[subtle sierra]

[[hidesugu and kairi]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/228/hidetsugu-and-kairi

Hidetsugu and Kairi <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Demon Dragon
Flying
When Hidetsugu and Kairi enters the battlefield, draw three cards, then put two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order.
When Hidetsugu and Kairi dies, exile the top card of your library. Target opponent loses life equal to its mana value. If it's an instant or sorcery card, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
5/4

[subtle sierra]

hmm maybe

if it dies due to me putting down a second copy, does the on death trigger?

and uh, what would be the order of abilities that activate in that case

i'm a bit confused with this stuff in mtg

[twilit canyon]

sequence

dies to state based actions (legend rule)

[subtle sierra]

can you pick it somehow in arena

[twilit canyon]

2 triggers go on the stack

[hidden ermine]

Legend rule does cause death triggers

... Full Control should let you sequence that I believe

[subtle sierra]

cause i wanna stack my deck then cast smth

[hidden ermine]

But it should also just stack it correctly naturally

[twilit canyon]

kairi etb and death trigger

it wont always

source: i play arena

[hidden ermine]

Wait, actually

If you play it and legend rule it

[twilit canyon]

there is a setting u can click

[hidden ermine]

Does the death and etb trigger happen at the same time?

[twilit canyon]

that says "auto-order triggered abilities"

turn it off

[subtle sierra]

uh i'll look at that

[twilit canyon]

yes

[subtle sierra]

btw how do you trigger full control on mobile?

i know it's ctrl on pc

[twilit canyon]

hold the screen

[subtle sierra]

ah

edopro

[twilit canyon]

should work on most mobile devices

[hidden ermine]

Oh yeah it does

State-based actions

[subtle sierra]

i've been putting breaks on phases until now

[hidden ermine]

Right

Magic rules are weird

Consistent

But weird

[subtle sierra]

i'll take consistent tbh

especially if it's written down

[twilit canyon]

aye

it is different from kairi dying to removal cus obvs etb happens

then dies trigger

[subtle sierra]

yeah mtg just works

i'm glad i got a new phone, mtg has been a cute distraction while i'm on an exercise bike

[clever sun]

Y'all don't get too excited about the leak list yet

[atomic harness]

oo whats up caster

[atomic harness]

||what's it going to take for raffine and TWE to live||

[clever sun]

Nothing about that particular but rather consider that WotC updated their website to no longer host the banlist articles before the set date

Just that the banlist date is happening that is all we can know

[dense berry]

i just saw the leak list

[clever sun]

This leak would have to be found through more than the WotC site and I find that unlikely

[dense berry]

||i think thats more cards banned in standard in one update than the total number of bans in standard from 1993 until the release of mtga||

[clever sun]

Not saying this won't be the list

[golden plover]

You're forgetting ||Kaladesh's slaughter list||

[dense berry]

wasnt that just ||copter and marvel though?||

i think the leak is fake nonetheless

||its just way too many cards at once||

[sleek ferry]

The "leak" list was sound and made too much sense

hence why I don't think it's real

[golden plover]

I agree

Leak list is too reasonable

So it's clearly fake

[twilit canyon]

its not too reasonable after digesting it

shelly still legal. triomes still around. how does this stop 5c monstrosities anyways?

soldiers and aggro dont magically improve with this list and instead lose out on beating cards they are favorable against

-3 cards that are bad against aggro and the loss of atraxa would be incredibly irrelevant when titan of industry remains

[golden plover]

They NEVER ban lands though unless it's an absolute necessity

Pioneer's fetchland ban is probably the only exception outside of stuff like Library of Alexandria being banned

There's a couple other times like Cloudpost and Field getting banned in various formats, but land bans usually only come from the land doing something else and being everywhere

[copper pecan]

idk i feel like banning plaza but not banning sheoldred would be a really weird choice so i'm pretty sus of that leaked list

[twilit canyon]

yea they never ban lands so we can believe the plaza ban?

[golden plover]

I mean, plaza is what I'm talking about

[twilit canyon]

and recognizing that they never ban lands and then realizing that the triomes will then always be legal then how does a list like that fix anything?

[golden plover]

Utility land that isn't an outright land

Well is, but it's used for things other than just "taps for mana"

[twilit canyon]

right like this list just keeps getting more and more cope under scrutiny

itd be an insane list to drop

[golden plover]

Also, it uses "colour" several times

I highly doubt they'd use "colour" in a US article

I bet the real list will be way more disappointing

Oh yeah, the Atraxa part uses "although" wrong and has fucky grammar all around

No way this is real

[atomic harness]

keep raffine safe

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, like i said, the only thing we can safely assume will get hit is fable

Everything after that depends on how wotc wants to shape standard

Though if we got a kill list, that would be pretty sick

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon is it true that initiative broke vintage and legacy kidge

and so did coveted jewel?

and was smth done about those

[sleek ferry]

[[coveted jewel]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/353/coveted-jewel

Coveted Jewel <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
When Coveted Jewel enters the battlefield, draw three cards.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls attack you and aren't blocked, that player draws three cards and gains control of Coveted Jewel. Untap it.

[twilit canyon]

jewel in vintage was hyped up a bit

initiative is top tier in legacy and vintage and while the best initiative dude was legal broke legacy

it was either initiative or delver

[[white plume adventurer]] was the big legacy culprit

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/49/white-plume-adventurer

White Plume Adventurer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Orc Cleric
When White Plume Adventurer enters the battlefield, you take the initiative.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, untap a creature you control. If you've completed a dungeon, untap all creatures you control instead.
3/3

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

3 mana is a critical mana point since thats the point where u can t1 things in legacy easily

[twilit canyon]

https://fxtwitter.com/karsten_frank/status/1661058875800403991?t=npy4oh8i7EpVNn_t8g3eBg&s=19

[golden plover]

Damn, hopefully the real one is at least good then

[twilit canyon]

the fake list is pretty awful all things considered

[golden plover]

It was definitely too exaggerated, yeah

[copper pecan]

yeah i find it really hard to believe that they're gonna ban like a dozen cards at once

[golden plover]

Hopefully Fable does actually go

[copper pecan]

there's no way they aren't banning fable

[golden plover]

Well banlists are supposed to be once a year tho

So you'd theoretically need to ban all the problems at once

[sleek ferry]

Fable is like the only sure fire ban

But also when even is our next standard set

Lotr is a modern set

[fallow citrus]

next one is ixalan right? or the eldraine set

wilds is septemberish

[sleek ferry]

Like I said

A kill list would be nice

Otherwise we just revert to esper dominance

Which weve already seen

[zinc shard]

In b4 they ban even more cards then the ones mentioned

[lusty trench]

Sold my spare fable of the mirror breaker

[sleek ferry]

I have a holo fable I should sell

Thank you for reminding me