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twilit canyon
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or wingcrafter

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this build has a bit more lenience with aven mindcensor

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and brazen borrower

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but its still a thing that happens

atomic harness
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aven can cause failed to finds right if the tutor doesnt line up

twilit canyon
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yes

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it cant fail to find demonic tutor or whatnot

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but if they are finding specific cards

atomic harness
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uhh but stopping the non demonic ones sound cool yeah

twilit canyon
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like mystical tutor and the like

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they only get to look at top 4

atomic harness
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oh but for demon their choice is only top 4 yh

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so it might not be there

twilit canyon
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yep

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but in any case

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when boards get gummed up

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thrasios comes in

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and starts using his activated ability

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and drawing a bunch of cards for free

atomic harness
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real

twilit canyon
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you ideally wanna play out your dorks

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protect your board state

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stop wincons

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unless u just have the combo cards

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in which case, you develop your board innocently

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then just pop off

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devoted druid + swift reconfig

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oh of note

atomic harness
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even if combo gets stopped I can still play for value right?

twilit canyon
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swift reconfigt is actually very good as just generic removal

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yes

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big scary commander on board threatening to beat u down?

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make it a vehicle with crew 5

atomic harness
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wtf swift is insane

twilit canyon
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u always have assassins trophy or brazen borrower to put the reconfig into the grave to eventually get back with journey and/or revival

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and yeah

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reconfig also doesnt... kill the commander

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so

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no going back to command zone

atomic harness
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also kenrith ahri4

twilit canyon
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they just lose them for example

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yeah kenriths transformation is an option that does the same

atomic harness
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but I guess they could kill the elk

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so this is one is better

twilit canyon
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i didnt include it in the list as-is cus i dont think its super necessary?

atomic harness
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Ill probbaly replace an expensive card for it

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like the carpet

twilit canyon
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sure

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in the mean time

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actually

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if ur cutting carpet for budget until u can afford it

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id probably run a land over it

atomic harness
twilit canyon
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carpet is kind of a land

atomic harness
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30 lands sound nice

twilit canyon
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so replace it in kind

clever sun
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Only thing I'd consider changing is the lack of Boseiju

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And Otawara

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Oh nvm

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They exist in the Consider

twilit canyon
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yes

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lol

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@atomic harness all the lands in the considering part of the deck are basically must-runs

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the true duals are unrealistic to get ahold of as is gaea's cradle however

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so the replacement for those are, imo

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painlands

atomic harness
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yo dark confidant actually real??

twilit canyon
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meh

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only if u really like bob

atomic harness
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wow imperial seal is like

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90 dollip

clever sun
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I'd run Serra Ascendant, Grand Abolisher, Notion Thief, and Seedboemrn Muse over Bob

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Imp Seal is just not a widely distributed card

twilit canyon
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yea

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unfort

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cus its actually kinda shit

atomic harness
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Yeah i like abolisher more than bob

twilit canyon
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dem tutor and vamp tutor are much better and cheaper

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hell id run enlightened tutor way and in this deck, worldly tutor before seal

lusty trench
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Only printings in portal 3 kingdoms and double masters 2022 makes imperial seal stupid money

clever sun
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Yep

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Not sure about Wordly Tutor before Imp Seal but yes to all the others

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Oh right

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Ren

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Force of Will is cracked

atomic harness
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it is for sure but I might just settle for FoN

clever sun
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Nope

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It just does not replace FoW

twilit canyon
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its especially notable in commmander

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fow is just too good

atomic harness
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I guess not hitting creatures is kinda annoying yh

lusty trench
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0 mana counterspells do be the big good

atomic harness
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what about pact?

twilit canyon
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its not just the not hitting creatures

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its also the fact that fow can be used for free on your turn

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fon cannot

atomic harness
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OH yea

lusty trench
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Pact kills you if someone popped off too soon

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
lusty trench
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But yes it's still busted

twilit canyon
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its bad manners and not optimal

clever sun
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Yup

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If someone miraculously gets a turn one or zero win going and your only stopgap is Pact, you don't die for it

lusty trench
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I was trying to say pact also isn't a fow replacement, not that pact is bad cause pact has saved my ass too many rimes

clever sun
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Just shuffle up and get going

twilit canyon
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i will also say

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[[fierce guardianship]] is much much better than it looks

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twilit canyon
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especially in tnt

atomic harness
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Yeah that looks hot

twilit canyon
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this spell is downright broken in this deck

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and in any deck where ur commander can come down insanely early

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its also the reason u can run mox amber

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normally bad in other commander decks

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bc thrasios can just say hi t1 sometimes (lotus petal)

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it can then provide ug

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the 1st things id upgrade for this deck when u can

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is getting [[mana crypt]]

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twilit canyon
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and [[chrome mox]]

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twilit canyon
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replacing fellwar stone and your least favorite interaction or value spell

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like if ur not a fan of march of swirling mist

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or rest in peace maindeck

atomic harness
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hmm I like those

twilit canyon
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maindeck rip is actually a bit tough on some of your own wincons

atomic harness
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maybe something else

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oh then rip can go

twilit canyon
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i only included maindeck rip cus its very powerful and decently budget

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i doubt u would be willing to drop mox diamond money

atomic harness
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nop

twilit canyon
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but that would be the only thing id replace signet with

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chrome mox and crypt are "reasonable" expensive cards

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cus they go in every deck

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mox diamond is also a "goes in everything" card

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but its reserved list

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shits never getting a meaningful reprint ever again

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and its in high demand for edh and legacy

atomic harness
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is null rod also reserved list

twilit canyon
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yes

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null rod is rl

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[[stony silence]]

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twilit canyon
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and collector ouphe

clever sun
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I gotta go to bed

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I assume you got the rest of this Misty?

atomic harness
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Gn caster PeepoLove

twilit canyon
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yea i can help ren with tnt cards and such

clever sun
atomic harness
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Yuh I'll just dick around w burza in the lower power pods in the meantime

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while I go learn this

twilit canyon
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yea for sure

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the most important acquisitions to make early on

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is your core cards

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realistically, lands are the most core cards

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so get the mana base first

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then dick around with the spells

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but

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bc u have an edh deck already

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u can focus on getting upgrades for it that can fit into this

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like u got an esper sentinel right?

atomic harness
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that sounds nice actually

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Yuh I have esper and fish

twilit canyon
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and a fish?

atomic harness
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Just no bhystic

twilit canyon
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both of them are here

atomic harness
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Most of the counterspells I have also go in here

twilit canyon
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do u have any shock lands in esper colors?

atomic harness
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Ahh no

twilit canyon
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there u go

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watery grave and hallowed fountain

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they can both go into ur current deck

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and would also go in this

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adarkar wastes, cave of koilos, city of brass, clearwater pathway, deserted beach, exotic orchard, hallowed fountain, hengegate pathway, mana confluence, morphic pool, shattered sanctum, shipwreck marsh, snow island, underground river, watery grave

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all of them are decent to good lands u can be running in ur deck right now

atomic harness
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Yeah I have uhh adarkar underground river and caves of scoliosis

twilit canyon
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drannith magistrate, aven mindcensor, ledger shredder, phantasmal image, brazen borrower, opposition agent

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u can run all of those too

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ranger-captain as well

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demonic tutor, diabolic intent, praetor's grasp, dark ritual, swords to plowshares, vampiric tutor, dovin's veto, lim-dul's vault, ad nauseam

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u can be running these in your current deck too

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as well as swift reconfig

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so u can be upgrading ur current deck with cards u will be running in other decks too

atomic harness
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I have veto and swords ye ahri4
gonna look for configuration

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can I carry most of these over? Aside from maybe spell pierce unless im memeing

twilit canyon
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stroke is fine but usually a sideboard card

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drown too

trail anvil
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Invasion of Alara WUBRG

Battle - Siege (Rare)

When ~ enters the battlefield, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile two nonland cards with mana value 4 or less. You may cast one of them without paying its mana cost. Put one of them in your hand. Then, put the rest exiled cards under your library in a random order.

Counters: 7

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Awaken the Maelstrom

Sorcery

~ is all colors.

Target player draws two cards. You may put an artifact card from your hand onto the battlefield. Create a token copy of target permanent you control. Distribute three +1/+1 counters among one, two or three target creatures you control. Destroy target permanent an opponent controls.

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sorry to interrupt but it's time for 5c battle

atomic harness
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Yeah drown came up because I needed to kill something instead of countering it

twilit canyon
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rebuke isnt perfect

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cus this deck is on 6 whole artifacts

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in fact

atomic harness
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Yh can drop that

twilit canyon
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u wanna be hating on them

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this deck is really good at abusing [[an offer you cant refuse]]

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atomic harness
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I do want that one and swan song and theyd be nice to have here

twilit canyon
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what are those treasure gonna do with stony silence and/or collector ouphe in play?

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swan is part of a combo here so yeah

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its a priority grab when u can

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uhh just look at all the instants and sorceries and match what u have

atomic harness
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ya sounds good

twilit canyon
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if flusterstorm isnt good in your meta or if you dont wanna fork over the 30$ for it

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spell pierce is fine in its place

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though spell pierce does get worse in midrange ad naus lists like this

atomic harness
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Miscast has been the rly good one recently

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love that card

twilit canyon
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granted

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you, yourself

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would be running a cedh deck

atomic harness
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I can get one oo

twilit canyon
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even powered down

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its still cedh into high power which should be fine

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but it sounds like the main table is into powerful stuff anyhow

atomic harness
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Yeah the main table is rly strong

twilit canyon
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ledger shredder is a total house btw

atomic harness
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the one guy has mana vault demon thoracle breach sdt bolas citadel like 5 tutors gamble etc

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ledger sounds nice

twilit canyon
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it is a bit pricey

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but its for a good reason

atomic harness
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yh

twilit canyon
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card is absurd

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it dissuades opponents from playing out a bunch of spells

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and rewards u for doing just that

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and he attacks for tymna

atomic harness
trail anvil
sudden lava
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mystic remora?

trail anvil
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that flip is game winning

atomic harness
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I have magical fish yh

sudden lava
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was scrolled up, oops

atomic harness
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np

twilit canyon
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so yea it better be game-winning

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ok to be precise

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all the alara ultimatums

trail anvil
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ah didn't realize, idt I played with those ultimatums before

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I think the grixis one was the standout of all of them

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but either way, I'm guessing that'll fit right into 5c atraxa? nyaruhodo

twilit canyon
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im not sure

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etb draw 2 for 5 mana play 1 of 2 instantly sounds pretty solid sure

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but the back side is p impossible for 5c atraxa to flip into

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i think id rather do the 2 mana gruul battle

twilit canyon
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i saw a dogshit siege rhino deck on mtgazone a bit ago

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i decided to say

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no

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that cannot stand

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and brewed this

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and its been performing decent

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got a fat fucking goyf

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fattest goyf ive seen in a hot minute

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Invasion of Xerex 2WU

Battle - siege

4 defences

When Invasion of Xerex enters the battlefield, return up to one target creature to its owner's hand.

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creature - angel knight

Flying

~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of creatures you control.

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my spicy abzan brew can wait for reveals

twilit canyon
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its solid yea

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any creature based deck will appreciate it

trail anvil
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pile on looks like it'll be solid meta

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vorinclex backside is like a timmy's dream

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omen hawker is some really fun design

trail anvil
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Ozolith, Shattered Spire - 1G

Legendary Artifact (Rare)

If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on an artifact or creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.

1G, Tap: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature or artifact you control. Activate only as sorcery.

Cycling 2

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interesting color hoser boardwipe

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if you run different colored creatures that's really nice as a one sided board wipe

lusty trench
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Vorinclex kinda stinky

lusty trench
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Oh I like this

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I'm not a huge fan of the this spell can't be copied when you could make it so the spell name checks itself

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But ig they're worried about loops

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Y'all posted sheoldred?

fallow citrus
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why is there a plane called Xerox

glad peak
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So they can buff vintage staple deck xerox of course

copper pecan
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xerex is the surrealism plane

twilit canyon
sudden lava
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wait, grand evolution's third ability would trigger vorinclex right?

twilit canyon
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Creature - Human soldier
Vigilance
Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of a battle, copy that ability. You can choose new targets for this copy. This ability only triggers once per turn.

sudden lava
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Anti synergy cheems hope you werent planning on using smaller tokens to defeat it

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at least the backside seems nice for a spell slinger deck

twilit canyon
sudden lava
twilit canyon
lusty trench
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Sheoldred do be good

hidden ermine
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Guess the world tree is no more after all

golden plover
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So there goes any interplanar travel theories

hidden ermine
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Also Xerex?

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Now thats a deep cut

strong quartz
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The Mercadia and Regath Battles curve into each other

sudden lava
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I want to play the sheoldred badly

strong quartz
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This is cracked

atomic harness
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Holy

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it's the new veil of summer

strong quartz
golden plover
glad peak
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I think you’re overreacting

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It’s good but not veil of summer good

hidden ermine
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I mean its better than autumns veil

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But autumns veil was unplayable and the worst in its cycle by far

golden plover
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It's better than Autumn but not sure if it's good enough to get banned

glad peak
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I’m saying it’s much closer to autumn veil than veil of summer

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Biggest reason is the card draw

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That being said, seeing this in hammer is going to be annoying

twilit canyon
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hammer already uses a similar spell so idk how many more copies they will run

glad peak
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It’s slightly better than blacksmith’s skill (technically the +2/+2 is almost negligible) so I think they’ll at least try a couple

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Oh wait surge is worse than I thought, I thought it also gave indestructible

granite badge
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can't compleat something that doesn't have any fresh flesh to replace with metal

twilit canyon
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phyrexia has zombies

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innistrad folk (and undead) are a different breed

twilit canyon
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sultai commander that cracks hulk

sudden lava
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PogYu strixhaven

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I like how the effect synergizes with pests

trail anvil
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that's a cool sultai commander

languid quest
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well that sure is unique creature type combination

sudden lava
languid quest
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ape strong together with dinosaur turtle

sudden lava
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facts

lusty trench
twilit canyon
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small clarification regarding battles

lusty trench
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Tfw my battles can't battle

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God sends me his strongest battles. They cannot attack or block.

twilit canyon
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lmao

copper pecan
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unironically they should just have this board be a regular part of the client from now on

trail anvil
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oh is this the april fools board lol

sudden lava
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"Sol rings" KEKW

lusty trench
golden plover
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Holy shit

atomic harness
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holy

twilit canyon
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simply one of the best defensive cs ever printed

trail anvil
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ex fuckin scuse me?

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surprised they put a number on that at all, guess you need to let a Titan of industry resolve

twilit canyon
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its below rate vs everything but red and gree

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n

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but thats what makes it very defensive

trail anvil
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counter spells usually aren't amazing vs red too

twilit canyon
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yep

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so its a great card in some very specific scenarios

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but in this scenarios

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its insane

strong quartz
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blue elemental blast

zinc shard
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I hate it

trail anvil
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what is this

twilit canyon
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april fools

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the game board is a crummy game board with snacks and damaged card backs and all

zinc shard
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its from a pack opening

twilit canyon
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oh lmaoo

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thats actually great

trail anvil
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o boy lol

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I see it too now

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omg you can eat the pepperoni

clever sun
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This game board is so funny

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Though it kinda makes me wish we had EDH

atomic harness
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today I am gonna go get clapped at bedh

golden plover
glad peak
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Bedh?

twilit canyon
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bad edh?

glad peak
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Baral edh KEKW

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4 Barals Hahaa

atomic harness
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edh but everyone targets me

sleek ferry
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That’s a good boardwipe yeah

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Punishes anything attempting to go wide pretty hard

atomic harness
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Edh today was actually kinda fun
played w my lower power leveled pod friends from a diff group, we had a blast

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won two lost three, not bad nyaruhodo

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lots of grind and interaction, everyone got to do their thing

atomic harness
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Played vs kameez / obscura value midrange

Ezuri claw of progress aggro

Ixhel scion of atraxa - toxic/infect

Faldorn slightly upgraded precon

hidden ermine
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That seems like a very pushed boardwipe

sleek ferry
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Idk if it’s pushed at all

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Especially in a post farewell world

trail anvil
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soldiers can kill you long before you land this, especially with thalia

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not to mention stuff like depopulate isn't seeing that much play

atomic harness
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[[depopulate]]

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atomic harness
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Yeah honestly after depopulate and meathook im kinda desensitized

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exile over destroy is strongish though for sure

subtle sierra
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1 mana for exile instead of kill is ok

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also you only get one bunger, and it costs 2 so it's fine

atomic harness
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Ya card is good nyaruhodo

trail anvil
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exile is probably relevant vs corpse appraiser et al in the long run

glad peak
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Welp I got banned from playing slicer in my playgroup

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Even though I played one without stax, equipment, or auras

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Just removal

glad peak
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Yep

twilit canyon
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lmao

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slicer produces so much salt in some groups for no reason

hidden ermine
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Wait why

twilit canyon
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hes both hard to kill and closes games quick

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he comes in swinging for 6, then goes to another player to swing for 6, then again for 6 etc etc

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you need to develop a board to block him cus u cant sack him

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when built in a stax list, he pops off

glad peak
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Yep, and since the deck itself was an old toralf deck, I had nothing but removal

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I might start adding stax and some shroud/unblockable equipment too

twilit canyon
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slicer singlehandedly makes a cedh mono-red stax list feel great

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cus he just does win

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in a sense, think of slicer as 5 mana deal 6 -> 12 -> 18 -> 24 over the course of a turn cycle

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any black or green deck on ad naus and/or sylvan library hates that and hes breaking parity on those attacks bc goad means he cant ever swing into you

glad peak
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One card I randomly found in a box of mine was [[errantry]]

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glad peak
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It’s funne with slicer

twilit canyon
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true lol

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the interaction with goad is so funny

glad peak
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basically a stax piece in creature heavy pods in a roundabout way that breaks parity on its own

twilit canyon
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no fucking way

lusty trench
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NOO

hidden ermine
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I wonder what the art is from

twilit canyon
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shadowverse

hidden ermine
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Ah, that makes sense

zinc shard
copper pecan
trail anvil
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always doubt everything you see today

dense berry
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found a cedh player at my lgs today

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he was a baral player

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nobody plays cedh so we 1v1'd for a bit

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kinda funny since both our commanders are banned in 1v1

zinc shard
last glen
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more dinosaurs let's goo

rigid scarab
last glen
zinc shard
strong quartz
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limited demon

twilit canyon
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yep

dense berry
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thats just unfair in limited what

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on cmc dude with evasion that blocks good and it can cheat its mana and if you do instead of it costing something in return it just makes all your dudes on curve have evasion

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if this didnt have convoke or the associated ability i would still easily take a 3/4 flying vigilance for 4 in draft

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this is a power cube level bomb

golden plover
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Holy shit that should be like 2 more mana what

hidden ermine
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I guess we found our bomb rare

dense berry
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imagine in power cube you go like t1 volcanic island ragavan memnite
t2 island convoke this guy

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or t1 ragavan black lotus convoke this guy

lusty trench
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Guys do I build Anhelo or Kess, this is for more of a lower power pod

twilit canyon
golden plover
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I mean, I guess if you've got 4 creatures it feels fairer

dense berry
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i think no matter how you're playing this its bare minimum worth it

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4cmc 3/4 vigilance flier is on tempo threat as is

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if you convoke one guy (most likely scenario) its evasion on your bear and a 3/4 flier vigilance on turn 3

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ridiculous

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also any 1cmc dudes you have are free on the turn you're dropping it

sudden lava
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trying to remember the name of an artifact

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I remember it was double sided, an equipment, and gave tokens to my opponent

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wait found it

trail anvil
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that's some pretty fun flavor, never used this card tho

twilit canyon
copper pecan
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seems great in limited

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idk if it would be good in constructed though

trail anvil
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yeah I imagine they want you to use this with incubator tokens but no keyword is rough

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kinda wish they'd at least give this menace

sudden lava
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dense berry
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card has activated ability

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triggered ability

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and on tempo p/t for its mana cost

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but it doesn't have keywords

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not to even get into the fact that the activated ability is a sac outlet and the triggered ability floats against removal

twilit canyon
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but not itself. it cant eat itself.

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idt its a design issue i think its a good design it just feels weaker cus we have been seeing so many insane cards in the past that by comparison this feels weaker

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speaking of

golden plover
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That's going into Ghen

lusty trench
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Wow I both love and hate this

copper pecan
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that certainly is a floodgate, wow

golden plover
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It's even on rate

atomic harness
clever sun
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This card is solid

trail anvil
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this one fucks

trail anvil
sudden lava
dense berry
clever sun
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The Processors doesn't read to me like a good card unless Phyreixan Tribal matters

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Even then, if it gets exiled your entire deck/value gets deleted

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I have a lot of reservations regarding it because we have seen much better cards with similar stats and effects

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[[Woe Strider]]

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dense berry
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processor is way more aggressive than woe strider

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theyre both great though

clever sun
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Processor can only eat Phyrexians is the big issue with it

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If there aren't enough Phyrexians worth playing then it doesn't matter how on-rate or aggro it is compared to Strider, it gets hosed hard by exile removal and it does not synergize with non-phyrexian sacrifice

dense berry
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are we really into dies to swords to plowshares

clever sun
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Yes especially when Standard has a really powerful one mana exile spell

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and is widely played in two strong archetypes

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The bigger concern is entirely that this just doesn't do anything if your deck has no other good Phyrexians that want to die

dense berry
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my mindset is mostly limited

clever sun
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In limited this will be an archetype-dependent bomb for sure

dense berry
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nah i think its great no matter how you slice it

clever sun
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But this set is huge so it'll be tough to guarantee exact archetypes in limited

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It gets much worse with no fodder for the sack

dense berry
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id imagine the incubate mechanic is gonna be prominent across the color pie

clever sun
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Woe Strider in THB limited was absurdly good for the sacrifice deck there. In this format... we will see.

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I think Incubate will play a lot weaker than it seems. I am not putting a ton of stock into it yet until I see enough commons and uncommon synergy with the mechanic

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It can create easy two for ones but is it meaningful two for ones? Magic has definitely hit a point where you can create two for ones with some cards but the advantage is not enough to overcome the card quality you are playing against

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I felt this a lot in ONE limited

dense berry
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i guess time will tell but i expect incubate to be a quanity + quality mechanic

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there will be lots of incubate Phyrexians

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probably lower statline

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because floating 3/3 token is pretty good

trail anvil
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incubate itself looks strong as a mechanic cause removal-resistant creatures have historically been really nice, but incubate cards themselves so far have seemed pretty underwhelming usually

atomic harness
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You said it kommers

trail anvil
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actually I think I'm judging the strength of phyrexian tribal a little too early nyaruhodo

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crawling chorus is 2 sac triggers for whatever that's worth

twilit canyon
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in draft itll be harder for it to come together

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at least for our current set size

trail anvil
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oh idc about draft really, but if you say so

twilit canyon
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in constructed idk

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i really cant see why u would wanna do phyrexian tribal

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as with all things

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play quality over synergy

trail anvil
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I've glossed over the typeline in the past and I've done the same with soldiers, just wanna look at it again

twilit canyon
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soldiers had a much more clear push

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and it was a case of getting quality

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example: thalia

trail anvil
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I think the bigger problem is if this set doesn't lift them up then phyrexians are donezo after

twilit canyon
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yes and thats why i think they are giving edh kiddies the pieces for a casual phyrexian tribal deck

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but itll be hard to justify running most of the phyrexian cards outside of the best ones

glad peak
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I kinda like how these tribal cards at least feel kinda different

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Too often tribes are just “anthem buff creature and random things that buff tribe’s stats”

twilit canyon
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yea at least they have some variety

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variety doesnt overcome the possible shortcomings but its cool

glad peak
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That being said I don’t like how this tribe is looking

trail anvil
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oh so that's the creature that returned from a super old set that maro hinted at

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also looking through I see some high quality cards that might need a bit more glue than something like seedcore (although that'd really support a 3c/maybe 4c or even 5c? mana base)

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the new elesh norn and the phyrexian lord that grants menace look pretty decent from the new set, glissa, gix, skrelv, fleshgorger are all decent from before

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maybe you could even use evolving adaptive as a bungus nyaruhodo

twilit canyon
#

sheoldred

trail anvil
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and that yes

twilit canyon
#

better rending volley

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better fry

atomic harness
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good card kiddo

twilit canyon
#

why is this 5 billion mana

atomic harness
atomic harness
twilit canyon
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maybe in the last millenia

subtle sierra
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this could have been like

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2 mana, incubate 2

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and prob would have been fine

trail anvil
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for that many draws probably not, but it didn't need to be 5 mana

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ig at 4 or whatever it tested op in draft lol

copper pecan
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i'll be pretty surprised if this doesn't see play

rigid scarab
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I LOVE THIS DECK

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Supreme who

twilit canyon
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Nahiri's Warfcraft - 1RR
Sorcery (Rare)
Target one creature, planeswalker or battle. Nahiri's Warcraft deals 5 damage to it. Look at X cards on top of your library. X equals the number of extra damage points dealt by this. You may exile one of those cards. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in random order. This turn, you may play the exiled card.

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Abominable Sleep (?)
Instant
Convoke
Target up to 2 creatures. Tap them. Put a stun counter on each of them. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove a stun counter from it instead.)

hidden ermine
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Since when do blue or white get -1/-1 effects

twilit canyon
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herbology instructor
treefolk druid
etb gain 3 life
6 p/b transform as sorcery only

invoker of
treefolk druid phyrexian
when transformed, targer creature opponent controls gets -0/-x until end of turn where x is the power of invoker if

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Front: Freewheeling Nezumi (?)
Creature - Samurai Rat
Menace
When Freewheeling Nezumi enters the battlefield, each player mills three cards.
5 generic mana, one white or pay 2 life: Transform Freewheeling Nezumi. Activate only as a sorcery.

Back: Wheel of Loathsome Flesh (?)
Creature - Phyrexian Rat
Menace
When this creature transforms into ~, put target permanent card with mana value 2 or less from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

sleek ferry
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It’s budget questing beast

lusty trench
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Card is amazing in limited

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God damn that's efficient

sleek ferry
#

I would run it in red over the other 4 drops we have tbh

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4 mana 4/4 with trample and haste and can boost itself

hidden ermine
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I mean in mono-red you get the one that does burn damage on attack and idk if Id replace that

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And outside of mono-red I dont think red/X decks are lacking in good 4-drops?

twilit canyon
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this doesnt replace raiju

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and yea boros has emperor, rakdos has sheoldred

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rg lacks but rg is a meme

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izzet doesnt want a 4 drop

golden plover
#

Didn't Izzet also just get a new phoenix

sudden lava
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"becomes blacked by a creature"

twilit canyon
copper pecan
sudden lava
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brightreaper thallid seems like a fun guy

burnt relic
#

mudcreep noooooo no

copper pecan
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MUDCREEP NO DON'T DRINK THE FUNNY OIL no

lusty trench
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Double prowess

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Wow

fallow citrus
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holy shit double prowess creature lmao

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I mean all I'm saying is

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in standard with have mentor, swifty, now this

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trail anvil
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so that's the "aura, god or demigod" hint

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that flipside seems real nice

zinc shard
#

Ayy Ephara

sleek ferry
#

3 mana 4/4 that draws and has life link? Sounds great

twilit canyon
#

pretty solid card

copper pecan
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this will affect theros's trout population

twilit canyon
#

sounds like it

hidden ermine
#

Or compleated

#

But if the people are uncompleated

fallow citrus
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compleated trout

twilit canyon
#

though iirc we had heard that 4 gods on theros died/compleated

hidden ermine
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Well ... we dont know wtf happens then

twilit canyon
#

we know at least heliod is killed by kaya

hidden ermine
#

Yeah heliod is dead (which she ... could do?)

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Rest we didnt even know were compleated

copper pecan
#

kaya is running non-destruction enchantment removal clearly

hidden ermine
#

I mean how Heliod got out in the first place is also a big question mark

#

Tbh what they did with Heliod in general was just ... not good

twilit canyon
#

i think its reasonable to assume that the phyrexian invaders landed and knowing the threat, he was let out by erebos

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they just didnt expect ajani to come trying to compleat the gods themselves

hidden ermine
#

I guess that makes sense

#

But still, the fact that heliods first actual appearance in the story (I believe? I know they were in his temple earlier, but I dont think heliod himself appears) is him getting killed by Kaya in a single line is just

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Why

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Hell the entire Theros story feels so pointless in retrospect

copper pecan
#

it's really weird that calix never showed up again after that

hidden ermine
#

... wait who?

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Oh the artificial walker

#

Whose colours are more in line with the goddess of fates domain than her own

twilit canyon
#

his

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also he just inherited xenagos' spark

hidden ermine
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The goddess of fate is female no?

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Or am I crossing my wires

twilit canyon
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thats klothys

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yes

hidden ermine
#

Yeah

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Thats what I meant

twilit canyon
#

calix is the walker she made

hidden ermine
#

His colours fit her domain more

#

Than her own

twilit canyon
#

she didnt make him a walker but the latent spark ignited

hidden ermine
#

Wait he has Xenagos' spark?

twilit canyon
#

also yea we have debated this many times b4 so whatever

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yes

hidden ermine
#

Im not even gonna question that

twilit canyon
#

klothys made calix out of the remains of xenagos

hidden ermine
#

At this point theyve retconned how the spark works so many times

twilit canyon
#

every spark works differently

#

we have known this

hidden ermine
#

There used to be general rules

twilit canyon
#

yea but that was pre-mending for sure

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cus nowdays we have too many different sparks

hidden ermine
#

Nah they didnt start messing with how sparks work til ...

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Well the first retcon came with Dominaria

#

Then we had the chinese-inspired plane walker with the dog

#

After that they just keep retconning it

#

Normally when someone dies and you make something out of their remains the spark is gone

#

Hell thats hwat happened with Venser

twilit canyon
#

karn getting urza's spark didnt make any sense to their own lore

hidden ermine
#

So that ... doesnt make sense but whatever

#

Theyre not keeping their lore consistent anymore

twilit canyon
#

sera's realm and latent spark powered the weatherlight to planeswalk

hidden ermine
#

Pretty sure no spark was involved in the Weatherlight

twilit canyon
#

it was iirc

#

i had just read tidbits that the reason the weatherlight could planeswalk was bc of serra's spark or power from her realm

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its the reason serra speaks to elspeth in the recent story cus she was still "around" after they rescued the powerstone from the weatherlight b4 it was compleated

hidden ermine
#

I think youre confusing that with its powersource being a powerstone charged with what remained of Serras realm

twilit canyon
#

yes and the realm kept serra's spark too

hidden ermine
#

Thats a new retcon

#

If true

twilit canyon
#

its the reason we have serra speak with elspeth

#

idt it can be called a retcon but rather an explanation to what even powered the powerstone

hidden ermine
#

Nah its a retcon, Ill explain why in a bit

#

The big issue is that Serras realm collapsing and Serra dying were quite a fair bit apart in both time and distance

#

Serra didnt die there, she died on Dominaria

#

The powerstone was just powered by the white mana that made up Serras realm

twilit canyon
#

yea of course

#

that being said

#

the weatherlight was present to become the legacy weapon

#

and was present in dominaria when they destroyed yawgmoth with it

#

i think it can be reasoned as well that a pre-mending walker making a realm that shits out angels across the multiverse might mean she could have left bits of her spark to weave the realm

#

if not had outright put it on there

#

its flimsy though i agree

#

but it further poses the "issue" of inconsistency with sparks since the inception

hidden ermine
#

Im pretty sure sparks were individable back then, so it definitely wasnt intended

#

But as I said, they keep changing how the spark works

#

ITs also why I have no confidence the desparked walkers will stay desparked for good

#

Except Karn

#

I can see Karn staying this way

twilit canyon
#

the only consistent rule (sometimes) is them being unable to bring organics with them

copper pecan
#

in the early early stories sparks weren't even a thing and any sufficiently powerful wizard could planeswalk if they knew the spell to do so

hidden ermine
#

Yeah but thats early installment weirdness

#

But yeah, other consistent rules were

#

"Sparks lost cant be regained"

#

"You cant give your spark away without dying, since its part of your soul"

#

And "Sparks are lost with death"

#

Though that one might have to do with passing on too

twilit canyon
#

fwiw i think the unique sparks to each walker is good

copper pecan
#

elspeth kept her spark because theros's afterlife is a physical place you can go to, if she died anywhere else she wouldn't still have it

hidden ermine
#

Since reanimation in magics lore is ... weird

#

I think having unique sparks is fine

#

And hell, that wouldnt specifically contradict established lore

twilit canyon
#

i can see it being the case that elspeth's spark itself is able to be revived/spark again

#

probs again cus theros

hidden ermine
#

But I dont like that losing your spark lost a lot of its significance

twilit canyon
#

but in general her latest "death" also had her re-spark

hidden ermine
#

Just because they wanted to retcon Teferi

#

Which is so weird especially because I feel like they ... dotn really use Teferi all that well?

#

It almost feels like he exists just to have a time mage

#

But like, you could have a new time-magic using planeswalker

twilit canyon
#

from what i read tho teferi's spark was in flux anyways. the bigger question is why jhoira was the one who had it tbh

hidden ermine
#

The way it was written way back was that he just lost it

twilit canyon
#

after going back thru dominaria's story then, it makes little sense

#

he gave it up to close a rift

hidden ermine
#

Yeah

twilit canyon
#

why did she have it

hidden ermine
#

But they wanted Teferi back so something something "Oh hey Jhoira has it"

twilit canyon
#

why was it not "teferi, you must find your spark again"

hidden ermine
#

I feel that was just a disservice to Teferi

#

As was undoing his last bit of character development and turning him into just another quipper

#

But hey at least he fared better than Jaya who just got axed for shock value tbqh

#

Which sucks because Jaya was cool but she just didnt get to do much

twilit canyon
#

i was fine with jaya dying

#

if she had done more

#

if they knew she was gonna be dying soon... why not toss her into more stories beforehand?

#

like why?

#

midnight hunt? send jaya in too

#

crimson vow?

hidden ermine
#

^Yeah

#

Idk this just feels mishandled to me

#

Like they wanted to tell a grand scope narrative without actually reserving the time for it

#

Hell unironically I wish they had like multiple sets for the invasion, one per key plane that gets invaded

#

Wait

#

Are the angels of Capenna related to Serra?

twilit canyon
#

apparently?

#

maybe?

hidden ermine
#

But

#

Their halo repels the Phyrexians

#

How the fuck did Serras realm fall to Phyrexia

twilit canyon
#

might be a unique situation to the plane of new capenna

#

rather than serra's realm

#

on the flipside: yawgmoth's phyrexians might have been way more powerful and resistant to the halo

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Battle - Siege
When ~ enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice an artifact or creature. When you do, exile target artifact or creature an opponent controls
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Sacred Crackling Cannon
Artifact - Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature and each other creature you control that shares a creature type with it
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copper pecan
#

pyrulea pogofgreed

copper pecan
#

huge buffs for ninjas

#

also urabrask

hidden ermine
#

I wanna say that that looks really good?

#

Like the only concern ig is that it doesnt do anything on turn 4 when you play it

#

But if you get to untap with it, or play it with mana open

#

You get some nasty stuff you can do

lusty trench
#

add red on instant and sorcery

#

Seems really good, but that flip side is grim

broken fjord
#

The flip is fine I think. Just that the front is better.

hidden ermine
#

Wdym, the flip side is good too?

#

Its a boardwipe (-ish) that also ramps up into a Past in Flames that you also get to ping and get 1 red mana off

twilit canyon
#

moon circuit hacker was already super good

twilit canyon
#

the backside is a suped up past in flames

#

1st good urabrask

hidden ermine
#

Still mad they did him dirty

#

But at least he got a banger card

trail anvil
#

back side fucks

#

whole card fucks

trail anvil
#

ayo that urabrask flips on its 3 so you get to storm off that turn hard

twilit canyon
#

feels like i should ping my sister

#

ik shes on a date with her wife but storm cards are like her thinh

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
sudden lava
#

Urabrask, some cantrips, and storm stuff

clever sun
#

Wifey showed it to me

sudden lava
#

burn everything to the ground

copper pecan
#

who the fuck is "gav beleren"

hidden ermine
#

Jaces dad

clever sun
#

Jace's long lost dade

hidden ermine
#

I think

clever sun
#

Yes it is dad

#

Maybe mom? Idt it's mom though

#

It was his dad

trail anvil
# twilit canyon

I wonder if this one is as worth it given it's a one-use thing, but those are some pretty decent effects

trail anvil
#

standard brawl is kinda fun too actually

twilit canyon
#

seems bolas had contingency for his lazotep soldiers getting used by others

#

also this card is insanely gas

trail anvil
#

christ this card goes hard as hell

#

disinformation campaign + grave setup + that backside

twilit canyon
#

this card is definitely a lot better than it reads

#

any deck that can flip it consistently and cares about reanimation is gonna love it

#

this might be the 2nd or 3rd best battle

trail anvil
#

what would you say is the best, gruul?

twilit canyon
#

yep

#

2 mana gruul battle is nuts

#

it enables creativity (in multiple formats)

#

and helps become an alternate wincon for the deck that it sorely lacks at times

#

especially when ppl exile ur traditional wincons

#

either way i think urabrask is the best card in the set so far

#

by a lot

trail anvil
#

see I would've gone with one of the color hate cards like surge of salvation, but in whichever format can abuse him I'm sure urabrask is actually bonkers

#

so much stuff feels hard to evaluate, especially since we don't know how easy or not it'll be to flip battles

#

knight lord

twilit canyon
#

wtf

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
#

legacy, edh, modern, historic for example

#

the color hosers are all solid but are pretty balanced

trail anvil
#

I'm mostly thinking in terms of standard since that's the only format I know well enough lol

#

but yeah I can see him going crazy with a ton of decks

twilit canyon
#

in standard he has some cards to work with

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play with fire, reckless impulse

#

blazing crescendo

#

ancient grudge

trail anvil
#

@last glen

#

wait that's probably not amazing outside of draft nyaruhodo

twilit canyon
#

its worse raiju

#

granted: this is an uncommon vs raiju a rare

#

so yea makes sense

rigid scarab
#

Chat should I enter a locals

#

They're hosting an Oathbreaker event for a Gaea's Cradle monkaGIGA

glad peak
#

Do it

#

Play ral expansion//explosion with all the mana rocks and counters nyaruhodo

#

Easiest deck I can think of rn if we talk about moving cards you own from commander staples to oathbreaker

#

Loses to rule of law effects but who’s gonna be playing that at locals people think will be casual (but has a sweet sweet payout)

rigid scarab
#

The problem is

#

Its 1v1

#

And I dont own any big commander staples

glad peak
#

Is it still 20 life?

#

Also do you have the free counterspells?

#

If not, you can probably play burn, it’s decent even in 4 player and probably consistent enough in 1v1

fallow citrus
#

new knight lord made me look at all the knights

#

I then concluded that it ia not worth it yet

glad peak
#

Soon

#

One day

fallow citrus
#

wonder how phyrexian tribal will look now

#

kind of tempted to see if it'd be fine in standard

#

you'd need orzhov colours at the very least for censor and the lord

#

then ig it's whatever third colour you choose to splash

atomic harness
#

oh good news btw aeri I found a pod that's just right my power level alongside my friend who's new to bagic

#

The two lads we found do have cedh decks but they also have a lot of casual decks so we just had a great time all around

fallow citrus
#

ooh nice

atomic harness
#

Kameez/Faldorn, Ezuri/Phylath
My friend is on Ixhel, Scion of Atraxa
and ofc im on the man the myth the legend himself

#

most of our games were p good and everyone had a good shot at winning, lots of decent back and forth. The decks were pretty synergistic too

Our fun kind of got soiled when Claw of Progress guy had to bounce and some cedh dude joined us, but ah well

#

agent into windfall into tainted pact into thoracle pensivewobble

funnily enough he wasnt supposed to win that game, Starting from turn 2 onwards I was bashing him in the face
but my friend was very new and didnt kill him when he could've. He has now learned a very important lesson.

fallow citrus
#

sounds like a good time overall then, pretty much the ideal commander experience

atomic harness
#

Yeah my friend asked if I could find more ppl around that power level

#

he's p good at ygo and plays competitively, but wanted a more casual magic experience

#

so not a fan of the whole thoracle, dockside, mana vault big boy "I win with these 2 cards" stuff

#

just like me fr fr

atomic harness
#

which side is right, mister saltdust

copper pecan
#

the second one

#

jin is the worst card in the cycle

atomic harness
#

Nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
#

Damn , I want to play commander with Ren

atomic harness
rigid scarab
#

A small LGS in my area just got the glowup of a lifetime

#

I know its getting good when it draws in foreigners

#

They're selling sidewinders now

#

Which is like

#

My favourite deck box

sleek ferry
#

Btw

#

This is like the best rulings channel I’ve ever seen in any tcg https://youtube.com/shorts/RQ9RsXP9pQA?feature=share

Relevant comprehensive rules

603.4. A triggered ability may read “When/Whenever/At [trigger event], if [condition], [effect].” When
the trigger event occurs, the ability checks whether the stated condition is true. The ability triggers
only if it is; otherwise it does nothing. If the ability triggers, it checks the stated condition again as i...

▶ Play video
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Long enough that it explains the ruling, but short enough that I don’t feel like I’m wasting my time watching a rulings video

atomic harness
#

Oh I saw it in shorts recently. pretty cool channel

granite badge
#

straight simple and too the point

golden plover
#

So that's what will of the Planeswalkers means

#

There's 0 value in the Naya deck

#

Literally only 1 $5+ reprint

lusty trench
#

Can they stop reprinting mikaeus the lunarch

golden plover
#

No because they can't reprint good mikaeus, he's $40

#

Also sad to see we STILL aren't getting reprints of the guardianship cycle

lusty trench
lusty trench
golden plover
#

Oh definitely

#

They're gonna put them in the pricey pack instead

golden plover
#

He's been $20 and $40 prior

fallow citrus
#

also does this mean planechase is officially just back

golden plover
#

Yeah, each deck comes with 5 new and 5 old planechase cards

fallow citrus
#

that's cool

golden plover
#

It is, yeah

#

Man, precons still come with [[Temple of the False Gods]]

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golden plover
#

Dunno why they refuse to put a shock in them instead or something other than shocks being $20

#

Temple is one of the worst lands

fallow citrus
#

reprint ancient tomb cowards

golden plover
#

I'd love to see ancient tomb in things

sleek ferry
#

Reprint jeska’s will (again)

golden plover
#

But it's the RL

#

Honestly, Jeska's will would be sick too

#

The reprint didn't do much to the price

lusty trench
#

THE LORE

golden plover
#

But they can't put too much value in them, gotta have the same dud reprints

#

Oh shit nice

#

The alt commander is a team up

#

And kind of a meh one

sleek ferry
#

This is uh

#

Very easy to make infinite

modern minnow
#

tbh the only reason you would put temple in a precon is to teach players the card is cheeks

golden plover
#

There's definitely a couple cards that go infinite with it, yeah

golden plover
#

Although Gavin has said before temple is his favorite land, so he probably argues for it

#

Huh you can build your own Heliod with [[The Red Terror]]

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trail anvil
#

when people complain about green power level in standard so you power creep consider nyaruhodo

#

(obviously not 1 to 1 but damn dude)

fallow citrus
#

1 more card for the urborg lhurgoyf pile

twilit canyon
twilit canyon
#

forcing the mill and only grabbing permanents from the 2 milled cards is tough

trail anvil
#

oh it's permanents pensivecowboybread

copper pecan
#

amazing card

lusty trench
#

YES

#

YES

#

HONSE

golden plover
#

Lmao

atomic harness
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TRIP WIRE FINALLY REAL

fallow citrus
sudden lava
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OMG

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😮 NEW BABY ART!

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cute little pest friend

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so for 1 more mana then a bear, you get to look at top 5 for a land or double-faced card (Battle for instance) to add to hand, bot deck the rest

trail anvil
golden plover
# fallow citrus

Man I really wish these big story moments didn't end up on commons, but it's a nice card

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think this could see play as a side vs less creature heavy decks?

golden plover
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Elenda got to keep her type line for the sake of tribal

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Also, the phyrexian team up

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[[Moira, Urborg Haunt]] and [[Teshar]] got compleated

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Multiple cards match “Teshar”, can you be more specific?

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[[Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle]]

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golden plover
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Wait. For B more, this seems crazy

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It's Teshar but any mana value. Sure you lose it at the end of the turn, but you can kill them before then