Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

Can't write Vivien good because that'd require characters doing anything

Hell, Vivien was working for Urabask for all of SNC and it literally never came up

[lusty trench]

I have a feeling this is going to come up

[golden plover]

Like no one asked her about it or anything, and she told Elspeth who just went "huh that's weird"

[lusty trench]

With Vivien making a plan to sabotage the world tree or something with urabrask

[golden plover]

I feel like there's no way it doesn't, but also, half the story in SNC literally didn't happen on the cards or was actually at odds with the other half of the story

Remember the whole "all the angels are sealed away" thing?

[lusty trench]

Cause urabrask doesn't give 2 shits about the world tree and it actively stops the other praetors

Urabrask would literally go "nice world tree, does it make me better? No? It's worthless"

Man I miss Gideon

he was generic good guy MC good guyness but it work well cause everyone else was so brooding and grumpy

[golden plover]

Gids and Ajani were like the only two nice main characters

Everyone else has the personality of a Riverdale character

[twilit canyon]

ajani is infinitely more interesting as a phyrexian

same with tamiyo tbh

[golden plover]

Is he really tho? The sleeper stuff was okay, but all he did in ONE was stand around and go "I'm a big bad guy now"

The little bit of flavor text where he was talking Elspeth was okay, but he's really kinda lost his entire personality

[granite badge]

Ajani was one of the few characters I genuinly liked the characterization of but as a Phyrexian its just

"me evil now because am Phyrexian Phyrexia me now"

[golden plover]

Yeah that's all theyve done with him since

He went from "Violence doesn't always solve issues, but it should be used when necessary" and being this cool mentor to just "I'm so evil now. Time to be evil"

[lusty trench]

I think that's an issue with making ajani the aggressor

Ajani should be defending the world tree

Not seeking out conflict

Because his old morals don't go with the act of starting a conflict, and even as a phyrexian he should still have those morals but phyrexian aligned

[golden plover]

Yeah that's definitely true. It's supposed to be that his ideals are corrupted to phyrexian but still the same ideals

He wouldn't randomly go "oh I'm gonna go hunt Elspeth down now"

[copper pecan]

tbf him attacking heliod makes sense

[lusty trench]

Well yeah but Heliod has been a massive prick for so long

[copper pecan]

like, out of all the people in the story heliod would be the one he probably has the biggest grudge against

[golden plover]

Him attacking Heliod makes sense, but we don't even know he's doing that

[lusty trench]

He's not seeking conflict there, he's resolving an issue that's hurting people

[golden plover]

Heliod's colors implied it's Jin

It's just that Ajani told him to do it or something

[lusty trench]

Because Heliod is just an asshole

[golden plover]

Also we literally haven't even seen Tamiyo since compleation

What was the point there?

She's on some card art, but she literally hasn't done anything

[lusty trench]

I think she's in ichor R&D

[golden plover]

Supposedly, yeah

But she's literally never been mentioned to do anything other than show up on some blue Phyrexian cards

[lusty trench]

Which makes sense, issue is the time frame is so condensed anything she does now probably won't have ramifications until much later

[golden plover]

Feels like a waste to completely ignore them having the multiverse's greatest scholar

[lusty trench]

Because phyrexians need that ichor OS update

[golden plover]

Tamiyo literally knows every gatewatch member and Kaito and The Wanderer

She should be pulling a batman and giving the phyrexians plans to defeat each one if they're just gonna steal comic plots

[lusty trench]

Ajani also knows every gatewatch member and more, and Jin has already clashed with kaito and the wanderer

So they already know about those lot

[golden plover]

Yeah but like Tamiyo is a scholar and strategist

It would have made the ONE plot way better if they lost because she prepped the phyrexians and they had answers to everyone, not just because the gatewatch decided they were gonna be dumb as hell

[lusty trench]

So is Jin and Jin as a preator having someone else come up with a strategy would make him intellectually imperfect

[golden plover]

Yeah but compleated her

He'd just chalk it up to his perfection

[lusty trench]

The praetors understand the difference between perfection as an individual and perfection as a group

[golden plover]

Mirroring the Eldritch Moon plot by having Tamiyo set traps for each GW member would have been way better than "oops Nissa forgot what Vorinclex does and got compleated off screen"

[lusty trench]

Tbf it's nissa

[golden plover]

Why's is say order now? Can WPNs actually order a number this time?

For previous WPN lairs, they got an arbitrary number wizards decided

[fallow citrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden plover]

Would be nice if they could actually pick how many they wanted hopefully

[twilit canyon]

hes not being evil tho he is extremely into the whole phyrexia thing

others get phyrexianized and they often just become dicks or kinda lose their personality

ajani remains ajani yes but his sense of unity and protection are for phyrexia cus as he himself said that it finally gave him a true sense of belonging

[copper pecan]

so are they gonna preview the rest of the alchemy cards or are they just not doing previews this time

the cards come out in like a week and we've still only seen 3

[twilit canyon]

someone asked earlier in the official wotc discord

also

from there

lotr set will be alchemy legal

it will mirror paper 100%

they wanted it to be playable in standard too but felt that with march of the machines being as big as it is

it would be very overwhelming yet wanted it on arena for a wider range of players

[golden plover]

That and probably because they've outright said they're not gonna make UB standard legal

Unless they're going back on that one

[twilit canyon]

lotr might be an exception since its very fantasy

[lusty trench]

Honestly I'd be hard pressed to find someone who has an issue with lotr crossing over with magic considering how core Tolkien is to magic, so I wouldn't mind it in standard at all

[glad peak]

I’ve found a lot

One person compared lotr crossing over with magic like having Disney characters in magic

[golden plover]

I think it would have been worse if they used the movie actors as the base

But I think them pulling more from the books helped keep the complaints down

[lusty trench]

I'd like to congratulate MTG on a flavour win I didn't notice

Not a single mono red card from all will be one has toxic

And the only multicoloured red card to have it, lukka, makes a green token with toxic

[twilit canyon]

its not surprising

it owes to the fact that while urabrask wishes to compleat ppl still, he wishes them to chose it for themselves

never forcing it onto others

[golden plover]

Technically, but his people do it by force by "giving you the choice"

In the side story slobad took one of the characters aside and went "either you get compleated or we kill your loved ones"

[twilit canyon]

red isnt known for being consistent

[hidden ermine]

I wonder if thats in line with Urabrasks philosophy

Or its just red as a faction being like herding cats

[sudden lava]

so beautiful

[twilit canyon]

i imagine its red as a faction like herding cats

https://tenor.com/view/cats-herding-pets-cute-kittens-gif-16995629

urabrask: "hey make sure to compleat people. but only those who wish to be compleated"

slobad: "so if i tell them ill kill their family unless they are compleated, then its a choice right?"

[sudden lava]

also UR dragon reprint finally

[copper pecan]

it seems like urabrask is really hands off with his leadership so i wouldn't be surprised if he just didn't know they were doing that

[zinc shard]

brewing a deck with [[Lizard Blades]] and [[Hidetsugo Consumes All]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/153/lizard-blades

Lizard Blades <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact Creature — Equipment Lizard
Double strike
Equipped creature has double strike.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1

No card found for “Hidetsugo Consumes All”

[zinc shard]

[[Hidetsugo Consumes All//Vessel of the All-Consuming]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/221/hidetsugu-consumes-all-vessel-of-the-all-consuming

Hidetsugu Consumes All <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value 1 or less.
II — Exile all graveyards.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Vessel of the All-Consuming
Enchantment Creature — Ogre Shaman
Trample
Whenever Vessel of the All-Consuming deals damage, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Whenever Vessel of the All-Consuming deals damage to a player, if it has dealt 10 or more damage to that player this turn, they lose the game.
3/3

[zinc shard]

also [[Twinferno]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/149/twinferno

Twinferno <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose one —
• When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
• Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn.
"More fire?" Jaya asked. "More fire," Jodah agreed.

[twilit canyon]

for standard?

[zinc shard]

yeah

was looking at Rakdos cards and forgot i had it

[atomic harness]

@clever sun @fallow citrus

[clever sun]

Cool

[atomic harness]

Getting stoic and spell pierce tomorrow

[clever sun]

I don't love that Dispel art but

[atomic harness]

I couldnt find miscast

[clever sun]

Dispel is good anyhow

[atomic harness]

Oh if I have [[soulless jailer]] how does that work with delay suspending the card?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/241/soulless-jailer

Soulless Jailer <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Golem
Permanent cards in graveyards can't enter the battlefield.
Players can't cast noncreature spells from graveyards or exile.
"Lock the door and eat the key." —Vraan, Executioner Thane
0/4

[atomic harness]

So like it just never comes back if its a non creature?

[hidden ermine]

Correct

[atomic harness]

Cool

[hidden ermine]

Suspend plays the card

Also blocks cascade

[atomic harness]

I could probably skip the spell pierce and settle on 8 counters for now right?

Stoic and rebuke for artifact related things
mana leak, negate, dispel,
disdainful stroke, delay, dovin's veto

finding it hard to cut stuff

[clever sun]

Spell Pierce is not perfect do yeah

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon do u know how good is 8cast in modern or like legacy by any chance? I saw a few vids on it and I really liked how the deck plays

emry baubles got me acting unwise

[twilit canyon]

in modern its decent

largely i think playing 8cast is worse in modern than playing emry breach

both the combo breach and breach value decks are just infinitely better

in legacy my sister plays that deck as her main deck

ask her

from what i know tho the deck is gas

[atomic harness]

Ill ask her about it, ty

[twilit canyon]

yea np np

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

idk why my opponent roped out, I survived that attack but I was still probably losing

[atomic harness]

they wanted to donate their pips

[trail anvil]

I'd be more touched if this was ranked

[atomic harness]

@clever sun I have come to inquire about cute fish and 8cast in legacy

also about uhh retrofitter's foundry

also urza's saga is crazy
I saw a match where the dude just had like emry baubles and shadowspear and then two fat ass karnstructs just kept bashing his opponent in

they were on DNT but couldnt get going fast enough to stop the karnstructs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ScSRPzCqU

mox opal

[twilit canyon]

dnt outdated in modern

its been kinda replaced by mono-white aggro

lol

the modern hatebears are just not strong enough compared to actual quality creatures released in the last 2 years or so

deck is genuinely much better when you drop the janky land disruption and slow-ish hatebears and play good cards

deck is also a really decent budget modern deck

cus u can cut caverns and it doesnt matter unless you play vs exactly murktide

[atomic harness]

the land hate stuff looked really bad yeah

[twilit canyon]

and cavern isnt be all end all to murktide match up

yea leonin arbiter is fucking dogass

esper sentinel is a motherfucker

play 12 good 1 drops

4 esper sentinel, 4 champion of the parish, 4 hopeful initiate

4 luminarch aspirant (mono-white goyf), 4 thalia's lieutenant, 2-4 raffine's informat (important for later), 2-3 thalia for 2 drops

3-4 adeline bc shes actually insane

3-4 solitude

4 chancellor of the annex to actually slow ppl down

and 4 shining shoal

[atomic harness]

[[chancellor of the annex]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/6/chancellor-of-the-annex

Chancellor of the Annex <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Phyrexian Angel
You may reveal this card from your opening hand. If you do, when each opponent casts their first spell of the game, counter that spell unless that player pays .
Flying
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, counter it unless that player pays .
5/6

[twilit canyon]

so you can cockblock fury

raffine's informant and solitude cantrip dead chancellors

oh and 4 emeria's call

as part of your mana

they also pitch to solitude

and buff informant

and can be used for [[shining shoal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bok/21/shining-shoal

Shining Shoal <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant — Arcane
You may exile a white card with mana value X from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
The next X damage that a source of your choice would deal to you and/or creatures you control this turn is dealt to any target instead.

[atomic harness]

I'm surprised how most of those were familiar faces in standard a while back

[twilit canyon]

this deck is actually nuts

yeah

cus standard cards are now powerful as fuck

initiate, thalia, informant, adeline are all standard legal cards

cathar commando in the sideboard is also a bomb

as is loran of the third path

[atomic harness]

[[loran of the third path]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/12/loran-of-the-third-path

Loran of the Third Path <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Vigilance
When Loran of the Third Path enters the battlefield, destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment.
: You and target opponent each draw a card.
As a scholar, she saw the sylex not as a weapon, but as a key to the past.
2/1

[twilit canyon]

the only like significantly older cards you need are like

champion of the parish

shoal

and chancellor

oh and mutavault and cavern in the mana base to be optimal

[atomic harness]

do you ever cast the chancellor or is she just for the crazy opening hand effect

[twilit canyon]

your on 21 lands

you are never casting it in a normal game

[atomic harness]

nyaruhodo

[twilit canyon]

and you never want to cast it

its there to pitch to shoal to shoot the opponent for 7 damage or kill their creatures

or walkers

[atomic harness]

nice

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6Y2NTE0L3kqMdja_Cl2ftw

my current list

i updated my ratios recently

but this list is good

its picking up traction at a rapid pace in modern

to make this pretty budget friendly tho

take out 4 caverns

and now you are at 560$

for a meta modern deck

i own caverns from my time playing 5c humans

so i already had em

i picked up this entire deck (with my prior collection in mind) for 40$

just needed additional copies of adeline, shoal, annex, and another emeria's call

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

I don’t remember mono white in modern being a thing but for the question about 8cast, if you want to randomly kill murktide, play it

Emry breach is generally the better bauble loop/saga deck but some variants also cut saga

[atomic harness]

but the constructs

[fallow citrus]

mono white humans just won a modern challenge iirc

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/115o8dh/friday_modern_challenge_32_results_feb_17_2023/

[glad peak]

Emry breach is alright

Emry is holding it back and holding it together

[fallow citrus]

yeah p much

[glad peak]

Fair breach is more of a drug if you like emry bauble btw

[atomic harness]

I like 8cast more

it has my other best friend, thought monitor

[glad peak]

You can play 8 cast with red btw

A couple lists splash red for blast and iteration so adding breach isn’t too bad except for the fact you can’t fuel the grave as well as fair breach

[fallow citrus]

Idk if I'd want to splash that many non artifacts in 8cast tbh

blast and iteration is the most I'd probably go with

[glad peak]

Even then it’s meh

[fallow citrus]

but if I were splashing a colour I'd personally go for UW affinity without urza

cause you get sentinel and portable hole

[glad peak]

Some lists splash both

[fallow citrus]

and dispatch

[glad peak]

Also urza hasn’t been a name I’ve seen played in 8cast in a long time

[fallow citrus]

UW urza affinity is still one that floats around challenges and leagues

[glad peak]

I thought the shell was very different from 8cast’s more streamlined build

Where you just shove in pauper cards with 8cast

[trail anvil]

god wizards need to put actual matchmaking in historic brawl

atraxa is a plague on the queue right now lmao

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVXZHfgQLE&ab_channel=ElderDragonHijinks

[golden plover]

Taught the new guy at the shop Elsha today. Time to create a second menace

Also, I should optimize shoraki

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQD3hWDnGM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1078737305981948025/FpvvNx9XwAMbLWs.png

this is gonna see play in historic for sure

[hidden ermine]

We did it, we broke Colossus Hammer

[copper pecan]

man a lot of these cards are really cool

https://external-preview.redd.it/0T2wESC83oSJ9eQqC1qUq5fAaZdzSnxi0AoZGVxDa_U.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=5e1002cfe69574eb3ef782cf58e6e72fab820bfa

not really sure why reckoning is in alchemy but i like the rest

[golden plover]

Yeah Reckoning could be printed in paper super easily

Same with Phyrexian Harvester (The seek actually doesn't change anything, should have been impulse exile to not break the cycle)

[granite badge]

Reckoning could easily be exile top 3 face down and I don't think it would functional change outside of some niche stuff with scrying and revealing top?

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

As usual, my opinion on these is that they sorta feel like they still slap random "conjure", "seek", and "perpetual" effects on most of them to justify minor changes for the sake of them existing in alchemy

There's a few cool ones in here tho

Skullpiercer Gnat is neat enough

I just wish they'd do more things for alchemy cards that really feel unique and stuff you can't do in the real game

I've been playing Lurkers in Runeterra a lot lately, and it's an archetype that only works in a digital space (any time you attack and a lurker is on top of your deck, all your lurkers everywhere get +1/+0 permanently)

[golden plover]

@lusty trench so apparently LGSes aren't getting any discount on commander Masters? They're being charged Amazon prices

[lusty trench]

Iirc it was 6% profit margins for lgs'

[golden plover]

My LGS owner was telling me he'd have to upcharge everything by 10% to even make any profit

That's fucking crazy they're not getting any discount at all. And I heard other people saying they'll just buy it through Amazon because of it

[copper pecan]

the seek changes a lot actually

from my experience seeking a nonland card is usually better than drawing a card

[golden plover]

I know it changes a lot on paper, but not a ton in practice to justify killing the cycle

[copper pecan]

there isn't a cycle

[golden plover]

There is tho

Obliterator and Vindicator

[copper pecan]

three cards isn't a cycle

[golden plover]

It was pretty logical to believe they'd make one for every color

At least at some point

Although now they can't finish the cycle in paper for an effect that could have easily been in paper

[twilit canyon]

the cycle isnt dead tho

it exists

[golden plover]

Yeah but now it's impossible to have the full cycle in paper

[twilit canyon]

too... bad?

harvester would be an awful mythic in paper

now its probably the best one

[twilit canyon]

i really like norn's fetchling. tons of cards here have solid designs

only one that i feels is a dud is arek

just cus it takes forever to utilize him

[twilit canyon]

gyox here does almost exactly this

its pretty cool

[[soul of new phyrexia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/223/soul-of-new-phyrexia

Soul of New Phyrexia <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Avatar
Trample
: Permanents you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
, Exile Soul of New Phyrexia from your graveyard: Permanents you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
6/6

[twilit canyon]

funny u say this every new equipper breaks hammer

[[kemba kah enduring]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/19/kemba-kha-enduring

Kemba, Kha Enduring <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Cleric
Whenever Kemba, Kha Enduring or another Cat enters the battlefield under your control, attach up to one target Equipment you control to that creature.
Equipped creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Create a 2/2 white Cat creature token.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

she broke hammer

ngl tho outfitter is gonna be sick for the historic deck with hammer

we also now have a sword that protects from red

historic hammer might be a deck

[granite badge]

oooh I wanna build this

mono white equipment edh

[twilit canyon]

she is way more underwhelming than she looks

but can be fun if u build it right

[lusty trench]

We did it bois

We broke hammer

[copper pecan]

can't wait to play scrapyard in tatyova

[twilit canyon]

scarpyard would be kinda nutty with field of the dead

oh shit gitrog scrapyard

[lusty trench]

My brain read this quickly as "oh shit gitrog escaped" and I don't know why

[fallow citrus]

I got to see some modern at my lgs today while I played ygo

saw goblin guide in murktide

and a deck that only seemed to play u/w lands and [[gilded pinions]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/238/gilded-pinions

Gilded Pinions <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
When Gilded Pinions enters the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Equipped creature has flying.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[dense berry]

https://www.mythicspoiler.com/mom/cards/faeriemastermind.html

this is such an absurd new card for blue farm

[fallow citrus]

interesting to see this from a well known player tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXq83j-j9jg

[atomic harness]

Joshua

[twilit canyon]

??????????/

[fallow citrus]

[dense berry]

its getting nice and aggressive

[atomic harness]

[[goblin guide]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/127/goblin-guide

Goblin Guide <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Scout
Haste
Whenever Goblin Guide attacks, defending player reveals the top card of their library. If it's a land card, that player puts it into their hand.
"I've been all over this world. I even remember some of those places."
2/2

[twilit canyon]

guide is not a murktide card

by any means

[strong quartz]

Its been half a year since I last played

is Greasefang still a deck in historic

[clever sun]

Yes

Greasefang has picked up new cards and variants

Esper, Abzan, Mardu are all versions of Greasefang

Esper is creature heavy with a focus on quality cards, Abzan is usually a Yorion build with Esika's Chariot and Liliana of the Veil, and Mardu is more artifact focused from what I see

[glad peak]

Welp my “anti-commander philosophy” commander deck did its job perfectly, no one wants to play commander here anymore

Tbf the group was already anti commander philosophy with their high power decks, I was just honest about it

[glad peak]

Having a 1/1 on an empty board other than blood moon, damping sphere, and mana flare is good fun

[strong quartz]

Nice

I love Greasefang

[sudden lava]

what is the deck like ?

[glad peak]

mass land destruction, bunch of board removal, and a bunch of 2 card combos that either lock out mana or win the game immediately

in mono red

it's not a good deck but it works in the circumstances in which surviving 6 turns unkilled is possible

[sudden lava]

what was the commander?

[glad peak]

toralf

not a great commander but get any damage amp and literally any burn spell is a cheap boardwipe

[sudden lava]

[atomic harness]

Misty aside from magical fish
are there any nice cheapo draws for blue? Rhystic is like four times as expensive and people can actually pay the tax

[twilit canyon]

rhystic is very powerful

remora is also nuts

theres no other good blue draw besides cantrips

but even cantrips can be kind of mid

the best draw in commander is in black

[[necropotence]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/98/necropotence

Necropotence <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard.
Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step.

[twilit canyon]

[[ad nauseam]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/76/ad-nauseam

Ad Nauseam <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its mana value. You may repeat this process any number of times.
When the task spilled over into undeath, he stopped calling it his life's work.

[twilit canyon]

and green has potent draw too

[[sylvan library]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cc1/5/sylvan-library

Sylvan Library <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your draw step, you may draw two additional cards. If you do, choose two cards in your hand drawn this turn. For each of those cards, pay 4 life or put the card on top of your library.

[atomic harness]

Becro

I'll prolly just stick to remora for now then, thanks
it's hard for me to get three black

[[rhystic study]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study

Rhystic Study <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .
Friends teach what you want to know. Enemies teach what you need to know.

[atomic harness]

oh what about

[[esper sentinel]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/12/esper-sentinel

Esper Sentinel <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever an opponent casts their first noncreature spell each turn, draw a card unless that player pays , where X is Esper Sentinel's power.
The more Esper changes, the more he refuses to.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

sentinel is good

and yes it stacks with rhystic

so they work very well together

they are good not entirely for draw

but instead, for pressuring mana

[atomic harness]

Looks like I'm gonna save up for the trio then

For fish since it has cumulative upkeep, how many turns do you let it stick, like 1 or 2 at most?

[twilit canyon]

as long as it is reasonable to allow your board to develop

example: if i can cast remora t1 and then pay the upkeep t2 while also playing out more cards rapidly for more mana t2 then i will be inclined to pay the upkeep on the next turn, and the next

and the next

it all depends on board state and how much mana i need

[atomic harness]

which art should I go for kid

[twilit canyon]

whichever is ur favorite

[atomic harness]

based

[rigid scarab]

Choose your least favourite

[polar lake]

why the fuck

who the fuck

why did someone make this into a custom card

[rigid scarab]

More importantly

Why the fuck is this in Yugioh PSCT

[polar lake]

i think thats just how mtg is worded

[rigid scarab]

Its not

Not at all

[hidden ermine]

There is no end phase in MTG

Its definitely ygo text

[rigid scarab]

If you want it in MTG text

[polar lake]

i didnt make it so

[hidden ermine]

MTG wording would be

"At the beginning of your end step"

[polar lake]

yeah

[rigid scarab]

If an opponent controls more creatures than you, that opponent cannot activate abilities of creatures or attack with their creatures. If you control more creatures than all of your opponents, you cannot activate abilities of your creatures or attack with your creatures. At the beginning of each end step, if every player controls the same number of creatures: Destroy Mystic Mine.

[polar lake]

either way tho, mystic mine would suck in mtg

[rigid scarab]

This is a pretty faithful recreation I'd say

[polar lake]

i feel mystic mine in multiplayer commander would suck ass

[rigid scarab]

Absolutely

A staple in every single combo deck

Probably fits in every Enchantress deck

Obviously a strong stax piece

[polar lake]

good thing it aint an enchantment or that enchantress player would just be drawing cards

[twilit canyon]

[[ensnaring bridge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/253/ensnaring-bridge

Ensnaring Bridge <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Creatures with power greater than the number of cards in your hand can't attack.
"When I said I needed a hand, I didn't mean this." —Gerrard Capashen

[twilit canyon]

also worded for mtg

it would say sacrifice this card

[glad peak]

Eh it could also say destroy so it works with things that give it indestructible

Some older cards have that wording

[twilit canyon]

i think theres no shot they allow something like mine without an easy way to get rid of it for consideration of aggro vs control

[golden plover]

LOTR leak

Looks like "The Ring tempting you" is a mechanic

[sudden lava]

ooh

[copper pecan]

why do these leaks always look like they were taken during an earthquake or something

also i'm glad that "hobbit" isn't a creature type

[lusty trench]

the ring tempting you
Me when the mechanic has to be tracked separately

Oh well nothing dice can't fix

[copper pecan]

i mean, it could just be something like [[yidaro]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/141/yidaro-wandering-monster

Yidaro, Wandering Monster <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Turtle
Trample, haste
Cycling
When you cycle Yidaro, Wandering Monster, shuffle it into your library from your graveyard. If you've cycled a card named Yidaro, Wandering Monster four or more times this game, put it onto the battlefield from your graveyard instead. (Do this before you draw.)
8/8

[copper pecan]

where this is the only card that tracks the number of times it happened

we don't really have enough info to say what the mechanic actually does

[golden plover]

I'm just hoping it's not dungeons/intiative

I don't hate monarch, don't love day/night, but the less options on a separate thing the better

[sudden lava]

looked for halfling, and yeah this be a glitch

Prosper tomebound, honorary halfling

[glad peak]

The innkeeper really took a dark turn

[sudden lava]

facts

[lusty trench]

God damnit even the magic cards themselves are playing prosper

[sudden lava]

but yeah there isnt a lot of halflings in mtg

the other 2 leaked commanders

||Gollum the Conspirator
????
Legendary Creature ~ Halfling Horror
Whenever Gollum the Conspirator attacks, look at the top two cards of your library, put them back in any order, then choose land or nonland. Either opponent guesses whether the top card of your library is of the chosen type. Reveal the card. If it guesses right, Gollum is removed from combat. If not, you draw a card and Gollum can't be blocked this turn.
2/1||

||Aragorn and Arwen, Married
4GW
Legendary Creature ~ Human High Elf
Vigilance
Whenever Aragorn and Arwen, Married, enters the battlefield or attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. You gain 1 life for each other creature you control.
3/6||

[hidden ermine]

Thats ... Aragorn?

[sudden lava]

||Gollum's precious is Vorpal sword||

[copper pecan]

aragorn might be decent in alchemy, maybe

i don't think there's any universe in which that gollum is playable anywhere though

even if he ends up being like 1 mana or something

that effect just has way too much of a chance to screw you over

[atomic harness]

Is that glow moss?!!!!

[sudden lava]

yeah

unblockable glow moss

[copper pecan]

oh my god it's glow moss

joke: universes beyond lotr
woke: universes beyond yugioh

[sudden lava]

a glowmoss that can equip vorpal sword

https://product-images.tcgplayer.com/fit-in/874x874/239197.jpg

[trail anvil]

is that really playable at 6 mana though?

I can't help but feel like there are much better things to do at that point

[copper pecan]

oh wait it's 6 mana? i thought it was 4 for some reason

never mind this is real bad

[lusty trench]

When the set they said they were gonna make weak has weak cards

I'm actually impressed wotc

[copper pecan]

frodo may or may not be good depending on what tempt does

if tempt is a positive effect he could be okay

[lusty trench]

I mean people would just block him no? 2/3 isn't a very impressive stat line

[sudden lava]

Just put in something to make him unblockable

[lusty trench]

In black white?

[sudden lava]

yes

note if you can find a way to give him trample, still works

[lusty trench]

He's a 3/2 that costs 6 mana

[sudden lava]

2/3

[lusty trench]

If no one can deal with it they deserve it

[sudden lava]

facts

it should be noted, its 4 tempts total. So needs to hit 5 times as a rogue to kill

and the tempts go towards the count of all players so assuming 8 player game that's 7 to kill everyone

https://tenor.com/view/wow-this-is-garbage-you-actually-like-this-gru-margo-gif-16561237

[trail anvil]

I'm gonna hope that there are more ways to tempt than connecting lol

[copper pecan]

yeah i'd assume it's on more than just this

like if tempt is something you're gonna do a bunch of times anyways it might be worth it

[polar lake]

i found something worse

[[ward of bones]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eve/174/ward-of-bones

Ward of Bones <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
Each opponent who controls more creatures than you can't cast creature spells. The same is true for artifacts and enchantments.
Each opponent who controls more lands than you can't play lands.
Mages dare not attempt magic in its grotesque presence.

[twilit canyon]

unplayable

[polar lake]

exactly its worse

[twilit canyon]

ok

[polar lake]

im running both in my stax commander deck

[trail anvil]

they tapped out when they knew I had lethal with hive?

maybe they didn't have an option to survive but I would've bluffed something

they had to rebuke a board of wolf tokens but are those other 4 cards really blanks, dang lol

[atomic harness]

Maybe they didnt know hive tyrant had menace

good job kidge

[fallow citrus]

wow those lotr cards are very mid if those leaks are real

at least for now, there might be more powerful ones dropping later

[atomic harness]

I think the glow moss one is super funny

I'm sure we'll get some bangers soon yeah

[fallow citrus]

mayhaps

idm it being lower powered but it doesn't mean there's much to be hyped over

[glad peak]

Gollum seems pretty decent

Not good enough but still a 2/1 for 1 (if it’s 1) that might draw a card

[fallow citrus]

nah there aint no way that card is decent

unless I'm horrifically wrong

[atomic harness]

I support you kidmma

[glad peak]

It’s not good enough but it would be decent in a slighter lower powered format

Just like evolved sleeper

[sudden lava]

Voltron Gollum deck

[glad peak]

No

[sudden lava]

Do it to send a message

[glad peak]

Oh wait it’s actually not bad

It’s a safe way to get card selection/draw in black or get it bolted

Since it either can’t be blocked or gets removed from combat

1 mana Bob

[twilit canyon]

set is gonna go through alchemy so fat chance

[fallow citrus]

oof

that is very unfortunate

on one hand while lotr is very mtg I really don't want to say "you have been tempted by the ring" in a real game

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkkVMIeEO0&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[zinc shard]

ah yes Morophon, my favorite Transformer

[languid quest]

lmao

at least he played Transformers in his deck

[sudden lava]

they finally got to these

Unfinity next?

[strong quartz]

looking at the other two leaks, it seems these were stolen from the print factory for damaged sheets

maybe they stole the first two but got unlucky taking that one so they just went off with a quick pic

[sudden lava]

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Token-06.jpg

this token looks cool

[lusty trench]

Welp I've absolutely made krark sakashima too good for my pods now

[dense berry]

i only have two decks

cedh breya

and absolutely inting extreme casual gallia

i want newbies with precons to curve out and beat my casual deck

[golden plover]

I mean, I get told off for shit like unmodified heads I win in some pods (that I usually try and avoid)

It's wild how much people don't wanna actually play the game

[dense berry]

they usually want to just win

which is why i built my casual deck to lose

[golden plover]

It's not even winning with some people. They wanna win in one specific way

Like I was playing cedh elsha against one of the groups I don't usually play against because they said "high power"

Dude spent the whole game telling me how his transformer deck got too good and he had to cut a bunch of cards because it was winning too fast

And then he complained that I won on t4

Same guy complained when I switched to stax after

Okay can't win on t4 and can't force a long game?

[dense berry]

sometimes you cant win with people usually what i try to do is if they dont like what im packing after game 1 ill ask to use somebody else's deck

but even that isnt foolproof ive had somebody get salty because i snowballed super hard with his own Dragon tribal deck

[golden plover]

I have a bunch of decks of varying power levels so if the group dislikes something, I try and find a middle ground

Although I had that happen one time too. Found a couple combos in someone else's Jodah deck and they got annoyed

Like bro, it's your cards

[dense berry]

im happy to just lose in casual as long as everybody gets to have fun, the singular scariest card in my gallia deck is wolfir silverheart

[golden plover]

I never get mad about losing, it's literally just a game

[dense berry]

i can understand some frustration in losing a competitive pod but a casual game is made for socialization more than winning for me

[golden plover]

I mean, even in competitive, it's fine

Someone has to win

I will also say that Magic players are the worst at knowing when to concede in any card game I've played. Sometimes runeterra players suck about it too, but Arena players are AWFUL at wasting time playing out wins

[dense berry]

my competitive group is generally pretty good about it but one guy in particular gets a bit upset if he's on a losing streak

[golden plover]

I don't get it. Like if you were dead 4 turns ago, why make me play the 4 turns out

[last glen]

Look I gotta finish my summoning creatures quest

[golden plover]

I mean that's whatever

But when you're literally just countrerspelling and making a chump every turn for 5 turns to not take 3 damage, you're being an ass

[dense berry]

i actually have the opposite problem said guy in my cedh pods concedes early too much

which really sucks for me as a blue farm player

[golden plover]

I never have the issue in person

It's usually arena where I see it

[dense berry]

we have to actually convince him not to concede sometimes

we have had games where he concedes and then the game goes on for another 30+ minutes

and hes one of the blue players so once hes gone people start looking at me to counter problem shit and im like uhhh my countermagic is just for forcing wins

[golden plover]

So y'all remember that pallet the guy posted at his local landfill?

Well it wasn't just mh2. Looks like it was also a bunch of destroyed secret lairs too

https://i.imgur.com/khOhl0z.jpg

[copper pecan]

apparently someone went to the landfill and took as much of it as they could

[golden plover]

Yeah no shit, that was like $20k of product

But why is wotc/whoever destroying extra SLs?

Oh wait not just SLs

https://i.imgur.com/dtz0Em3.jpg

[copper pecan]

probably someone at a warehouse made a mistake and threw out the wrong things

mh2 was literally the best selling set ever, i seriously doubt that they made such a surplus that they felt the need to deliberately destroy it

[golden plover]

It's also really weird to deliberately destroy the anniversary cards and sls

This does however confirm the LOTR leak as real

Since it's from the same printing location

[golden plover]

The only other reason I could see was deliberately doing it to keep prices high

Since it's MH2, Anni set, and SL cards. But that'd be really weird

[twilit canyon]

p sure mh2 prices have tanked

cus a ton of mh2 has been opened

[golden plover]

The expensive cards are still a lot

[twilit canyon]

yes but not insane like before

[[$solitude]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/32/solitude

Prices for Solitude

Magic Online Promos

42.89 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$37.25 • €40.62 • 45.97 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$43.54 • €45.00

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$62.11 • €70.00

[twilit canyon]

[[$fury]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/126/fury

Prices for Fury

Magic Online Promos

46.84 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$30.07 • €35.61 • 46.89 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$41.31 • €41.00

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$40.02 • €44.95

[twilit canyon]

[[$ragavan nimble pilferer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/138/ragavan-nimble-pilferer

Prices for Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer

Multiverse Legends

$99.99

Magic Online Promos

33.72 TIX

Magic Online Promos

37.44 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$66.77 • €60.41 • 35.62 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$84.15 • €72.20

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$114.44 • €159.00

[twilit canyon]

rags were going for 100 per

solitudes for 75 or so

fury for 50

[[$endurance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/157/endurance

Prices for Endurance

Magic Online Promos

25.15 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$36.53 • €39.00 • 28.48 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$45.95 • €50.34

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$58.37 • €69.95

[twilit canyon]

this guy hasnt actually changed much tho

consistent 30~

[[$urzas saga]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga

Prices for Urza's Saga

The List

$29.91

Modern Horizons 2

$31.28 • €36.07 • 45.45 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$32.12 • €36.70

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$60.40 • €51.07

[twilit canyon]

same deal here

[[$murktide regent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/52/murktide-regent

Prices for Murktide Regent

Modern Horizons 2

$11.35 • €16.59 • 15.29 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$10.49 • €21.67

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$33.31 • €29.99

[twilit canyon]

has dropped a ton

[[$esper sentinel]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/12/esper-sentinel

Prices for Esper Sentinel

Modern Horizons 2

$30.58 • €18.69 • 11.79 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$29.26 • €20.96

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$41.25 • €37.99

[twilit canyon]

has been the real winner of mh2 since it went up to 30 and stayed there

im willing to believe that it was an error on what was supposed to be dumped or thrown out

[copper pecan]

honestly it's really surprising to me that march of the machine has a mercadia reference in it

mercadia's story is really blatantly antisemitic

like the villains are literally a conspiracy of rich goblins with big noses who secretly rule the plane

[twilit canyon]

they are sexy goblins

[twilit canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoGk2KOXZWA

its ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

[dense berry]

doesnt SLs ending up in a landfill kinda suggest they aren't actually printed to order

[lusty trench]

I'd imagine it means they made a set amount to begin with in line with their expected sales

Since these SLs ended up in landfills, it's likely these lairs didn't sell as much as wotc was expecting

[trail anvil]

completely forgot to grind to plat for this season cause the styles are actually really good

hopefully I can get there with monowhite cause that's all I have built for ranked

[atomic harness]

you got this kid, monowhite is strong

[trail anvil]

honestly even if it's not mtga ranked system will eventually force me to plat xd

[clever sun]

I think Standard Mono-White is powerful

run it through best of one

[lusty trench]

"we couldnt sell our worthless cards, so here, we're offloading our bulk to you"

Well if this results in lgs' hosting cheap drafts it's fine

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfD_dI9SQc&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[trail anvil]

there's no fucking shot the only lands I can't favorite are the nyx energy ones

wizards please

[copper pecan]

pretty sure it's a glitch

[golden plover]

Couldn't burn them all

Also it's one 60 card 4 pack per LGS

[trail anvil]

yeah apparently you have to switch to the style selector to make it work

[copper pecan]

didn't they announce this when they first announced the 30th anniversary thing

[trail anvil]

on the other hand, ranked rewards are out pog

my skrelv is shiny now

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

My LGS still has the shocks because they were too expensive at $200

There's no way anyone buys the "box" of proxies

[twilit canyon]

[[darksteel hydra]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/20/darksteel-hydra

Darksteel Hydra <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Hydra
Indestructible
Darksteel Hydra enters the battlefield with X oil counters on it.
Darksteel Hydra's power and toughness are each equal to twice the number of oil counters on it.
When Darksteel Hydra enters the battlefield, conjure a card named Darksteel Ingot and a card named Darksteel Plate to your hand.
*/*

[twilit canyon]

im not sure if this card is insane

or mediocre

[fallow citrus]

[[darksteel ingot]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/184/darksteel-ingot

Darksteel Ingot <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Indestructible
: Add one mana of any color.
"It reflects the purity of Mirrodin-that-was." —Koth of the Hammer

[fallow citrus]

[[darksteel plate]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/304/darksteel-plate

Darksteel Plate <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Indestructible
Equipped creature has indestructible.
Equip
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever." —Koth of the Hammer

[twilit canyon]

plate and ingot are whatever

its a growing indestructible fatty that likes proliferation

[fallow citrus]

hm yeah true

[trail anvil]

are you just dropping it at 1/1 then spamming proliferate?

I'm sure you could find a decent home with abzan/nonred 4c with other counter stuff

[copper pecan]

it's p/t is twice the number of counters so it would be a 2/2 at x = 1

[trail anvil]

oh yeah

[twilit canyon]

ingot can help you ramp sure and plate is.... a card

but yeah in general its a rapidly growing threat in anything proliferating

anyhow i have convinced myself its shit so its irrelevant now

[trail anvil]

kinda wish it had vigilance considering wanderer

[twilit canyon]

yeah this needs a buff

its a hydra so it should have multiple keywords

deathtouch, indestructible, vigilance then we are talking?

force ppl to exile it

or sack it

that or make it put ingot and plate into play directly

[trail anvil]

I think they counted on the card spawning and double scaling to be enough

if it put it into play that'd be nuts lol

[golden plover]

Yeah true

Or that keyword combo

I guess the idea is he's a hard to remove threat that makes you some other nice things

[twilit canyon]

yeah it ramps you and then it makes some other creature you control indestructible

i see what they were going for but its too slow for sure

[golden plover]

What I don't get is why it's phyrexian

Darksteel is the mirran anti-phyrexian stuff

And Blightsteel is the phyrexian one

[twilit canyon]

wasnt it a plot point that jin gitaxias had found a way to corrupt darksteel to make it blightsteel?

p sure that was the whole reason tezzeret was captured after his service was done cus they were gonna turn his body into blightsteel after the darksteel implant

[twilit canyon]

deck flipped over successfully

[fallow citrus]

I see emry and breach

peak magic

[trail anvil]

real historic gaming?

[twilit canyon]

real

[trail anvil]

on the other side of the coin I can't tell if phyrexian harvester is dogshit or this deck in the mwm just is

probably just harvester though

scorchwing probably needs to go to 4 damage at least too

[twilit canyon]

scorchwing feels too balanced

harvester is nuts though

[copper pecan]

scorchwing seems kinda terrible ngl

[twilit canyon]

only basics but deals 3?

should be a 3 or 4 drop

or deal 5

think they estimate that building scorchwing is too easy

[zinc shard]

yo these sleeves are sick

[twilit canyon]

this build so far is sick

i fucking hate emry

[trail anvil]

these were in the post malone event

maybe we'll get them in the shop at some point

[trail anvil]

F

[atomic harness]

F

[[phyrexian harvester]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/13/phyrexian-harvester

Phyrexian Harvester <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Menace
Whenever Phyrexian Harvester is dealt damage, seek that many nonland cards. At the beginning of your next end step, discard those cards.
5/5

[copper pecan]

really good card tbh

also the people who were saying that seeking nonland cards isn't meaningfully different from drawing a card are totally wrong

the guarantee that the card you draw will actually do something is huge

[atomic harness]

Nyaruhodo

[zinc shard]

I'm bummed that the "Obliterator" cycle isnt gonna all be in paper, but yeah this card's cool

[trail anvil]

tbh I just wish I could play the big red deck in the mwm but with actually good cards

[zinc shard]

ayyy

[trail anvil]

nice

[fallow citrus]

is mono black fine for b01 right now

Suppose I should save wildcards for other formats though

[trail anvil]

should be, yeah

it's probably worse grixis tho cause invoke despair and sheoldred are still some of the best cards in the format

[trail anvil]

yeah that happens sometimes, rip

[twilit canyon]

you need an absurd number of creatures in commander/brawl to ensure company actually has hits

even then the odds are bad

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon @clever sun is Pie Arena actually good or is it cope?

[clever sun]

Nope

Card has been unplayable for years

[atomic harness]

Ah ok gotchu
funnily enough karn LL has been really good
nobody like interacts w him and I get nice card selection

sometimes he's an extra draw if I'm low on mana, or a way to dig for a counterspell

[clever sun]

Yeah people often sleep on cards that are deemed "bad"

Karn just requires synergy

[atomic harness]

I think it's because the other karns are more immediately threatening no

[clever sun]

But if it is provided, he does a LOT

Yeah basically

The other Karn's are scarier

[atomic harness]

just his ramp alone helps a lot since they make my wincon chunkier
and I'm a bit light on lands

I usually ramp once or twice then start digging

[clever sun]

Yeah for sure

[atomic harness]

I think if I had say like scion, grand creator, or liberated theyd defo start beating karn down asap

The planeswalker that dies the fastest is usually teferi the one that turns stuff sorcery speed

[clever sun]

Ahh good ole T3feri

[atomic harness]

that card is insane

[clever sun]

It's powerful yes

A very strong stax piece

It was standard legal too

[twilit canyon]

bad

but my sis already said so

[twilit canyon]

still think its a card to be banned everywhere ngl

just for the play patters

*patterns

[atomic harness]

I saw a vid where they were discussing if tef should be banned in modern

[clever sun]

Maybe

[atomic harness]

Also caster you were right dispel is a house

[clever sun]

The thing with T3f is that it is a strong hate piece for cascade

Dispel is amazing

[twilit canyon]

i think the time to ban t3f is gone in modern

[clever sun]

Yeah in the case of Modern

I think T3f can live

[twilit canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRl0Z-HYe2g

[atomic harness]

good vid

phyrexia

mirrodin

[twilit canyon]

red is the best deck in standard

and honestly its better in bo3??

unfortunately though solphim doesnt make the cut

thought about solphim in the side but it just isnt enough

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

huh thinking about it

this standard has 3 viable mono-color decks

and 1 fringe mono-color

im gonna fix mono-black

maybe?

mono-green is probably a completely lost cause

but ill figure it out

[twilit canyon]

not sure if its bc i might be goated

or if mono-green has a bit of legs

[twilit canyon]

aight

i have come to the conclusion

that im carrying the deck

not the deck being secretly good

its not that good

unfort

but i am that bitch

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CijmMyfzZ0SKZoDGEyLY2Q

not me running new tyvar 🙈

[trail anvil]

I wouldn't go the artifact build with momogreen rn, so many of those cards don't have value in the right places

we have a lot of good stompy cards rn, still with nissa as a top end

[twilit canyon]

i think that deck is really really bad though

granted

i believe i totally carried the build i posted

a bigger issue i see with both versions is that they really cant deal with gummed up board states

red can go face with burn spells and in the air with chicks and raiju can help push the last bit of damage

the green lists would need some trample enabler that isnt dogwater like the kodama

or enough merit to warrant running the artifact heavy builds

[trail anvil]

nissa

[twilit canyon]

nissa sucks unfort

[trail anvil]

also green defiler is literally the best one tbh

[twilit canyon]

her tokens tragically have no evasion

[trail anvil]

you don't need that

you drop her on 7 if it's stalled that long to ult or use her to outvalue any deck at the top end

[twilit canyon]

idk

i think the game rarely gets to the point where she is going to continually outvalue what other decks do t7

even soldiers

she cant beat skystrike officer

they will be able to dig to harbin

[trail anvil]

she beats everything that isn't a board clear/counter tbh

idk much that can survive that ult

[twilit canyon]

heavy disagree there

oh her ult is a thing i guess

but you need to be keeping up in board state for that ult to matter overall

[trail anvil]

her ult is the thing if we're talking about turn 7

[twilit canyon]

i thought you meant just dropping tokens infinitely

i forget she has an ult since any time she comes up, she isnt able to use it so effectively

[trail anvil]

nah that's like if you got everything removed and have to fall back on the "I burned all my opponent's responses time to pray" plan

[twilit canyon]

when i was running nissa in the 5c atraxa deck main, i used it once to get enough life with atraxa to put a game away

that was it

[trail anvil]

well there's your problem

[twilit canyon]

its why i sided her and eventually cut her

[trail anvil]

you aren't giving your board +6/+6 to +7/+7

[twilit canyon]

oh no

it was a lot of life

i think it was like +9/+9

counting forests is nice cus it means triomes count

[trail anvil]

even with triomes I can't see you reliably reaching that number but either way that doesn't sound like a point of synergy

[twilit canyon]

it got me from 1 life to 17 life in 1 swing it was worth it

[trail anvil]

in something like 5c atraxa you usually want to be a fat value pile

doesn't atraxa do that on her own with her phat stats

[twilit canyon]

she would have put me to 8

would have been dead to my mono-red opponents burn the next turn as i found out since i did still almost die

if it was just bringing me to 8

even with atraxa blocking for 7 more life

[trail anvil]

I'm not convinced you couldn't do something else for 7+ mana to stabilize vs monored

[twilit canyon]

i was drawing lands

[trail anvil]

much less some more versatile solution, especially after atraxa add

[twilit canyon]

atraxa add found throat, nissa, fable, land, bankbuster

no instant or sorcery

err

only 1 instant

throat

no board wipe like burn down the house

or brotherhood's end

so my play was nissa ult and swing and hope

and i still almost lost but fortunately the life gain was just enough

[trail anvil]

would a board wipe not achieve the same thing or did they just have multiple kumano + mishra's

I can't really think of a situation that's not super fringe where burn down the house wouldn't accomplish the same thing

[twilit canyon]

yeah but i didnt have burn down the house

atraxa bonking them to 3 life helped

and then they untapped and cast strike + strike + end the festivities to kill atraxa, swung out and put me to 3 after go for the throat

[trail anvil]

did they have 2 mechanized warfare too? jesus

this sounds like the king of fringe

[twilit canyon]

no they had like 2 raijus and some feldons iirc

swiftspears and a kumano

i drew 0 board wipes until burn down which became 3 1/1s with haste to win the game

as i said up above

i think mono-red is the best deck

[[bloody betrayal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/147/bloody-betrayal

Bloody Betrayal <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. Create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")

[twilit canyon]

card is secretly nuts

why yes i would like your 7/7

[trail anvil]

I've seen it steal a ton of games yeah

[twilit canyon]

kinda sad that solphim just wont make the cut

cus the card is sweet

it just is too slow for the current red set up

maybe if the meta slows down a bit

[trail anvil]

it's a fun card yeah

I think life of toshiro umezawa is underrated rn for how hard it solos matchups like soldiers

or esper creatures sometimes

[twilit canyon]

peep the mono black list i posted above

i agree

its nuts

[trail anvil]

yeah

also contributing to invoke despair later is nice

[twilit canyon]

it also gives me an excuse to run roadside reliquary

lmao

[trail anvil]

tbh it wouldn't surprise me if we saw it in grixis as time went on

[twilit canyon]

i think im slowly losing faith in any midrange deck that isnt 5c

atraxa is a hell of a drug

[trail anvil]

tbh reliquary is actually a great reason to run monoblack compared to evolved sleeper

[twilit canyon]

the only unfortunate bit of atraxa is that she struggles hard vs red and white aggro and soldiers of course

but i think its not unsolvable for either

except for red

i think red is almost unwinnable for midrange decks rn

it takes a very particular set up to beat mono red

[trail anvil]

do you have dennick in there

he's a great staller

[twilit canyon]

and any option you take can open itself up to lose randomly to a tech card

[trail anvil]

but yeah the current meta seems like aggro > 5c > midrange > aggro

[twilit canyon]

dennick is solid yes but red can beat dennick easily

[trail anvil]

monored is normally very great but it does feel super possible to stall out vs cause they don't have something like an experimental frenzy

[twilit canyon]

the glut of 2 drops after kumano

strike

feldon helps beat stalls

also it depends on their sb tech

[trail anvil]

maybe I'm too used to playing it with buffs like wedding announcement and raffine lol

[twilit canyon]

stuff like [[elder dragon war]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/121/the-elder-dragon-war

The Elder Dragon War <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
Read ahead (Choose a chapter and start with that many lore counters. Add one after your draw step. Skipped chapters don't trigger. Sacrifice after III.)
I — The Elder Dragon War deals 2 damage to each creature and each opponent.
II — Discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards.
III — Create a 4/4 red Dragon creature token with flying.

[twilit canyon]

or koth

or chandra

[trail anvil]

feldon beats stalls sometimes I feel like

chandra + jaya monored was the least susceptible to stalls in exchange for rush power

[twilit canyon]

chandra is solid yeah

but jaya is worse than koth for red

koth builds to ult extremely fast

and if he clicks ult the game is p much over from there

so it forces opponents to be proactive but that opens you up to raiju

current red is so hasty

i think every card in mono-red has haste outside of a few outliers like in my build cemetery gatekeeper

and koth also can build your adversary overloads up

[trail anvil]

I'd have to try koth more, but he does seem like he has a lot of potential

[twilit canyon]

koth is great for sure

im currently on dragon war

[trail anvil]

I feel like every planeswalker in ONE was heavily underrated tbh

[twilit canyon]

but thats bc mythic is full of aggro mirrors

[trail anvil]

besides vraska ironically

[twilit canyon]

vraska unfort

sucks

all the others are actually solid

im using tyvar in cedh for example

had a game yesterday with tyvar

where my opponent used [[windfall]] t1

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https://scryfall.com/card/khc/46/windfall

Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"Rich" is a relative term.

[twilit canyon]

causing me to discard hermit druid

but i drew tyvar

[trail anvil]

I've actually been struggling with cemetary gatekeeper usually cause it instantly eats some cheap removal and I'm paying for a 2 mana shock, or cause I need to trade poorly to enable it

[twilit canyon]

tyvar brought back druid and i won that same turn

[trail anvil]

solos monoblue though

but monoblue is supposed to be your strongest matchup

[twilit canyon]

yeah gatekeeper based on statistics contributes to wins

card has a stupid good winrate

its in like

52% of decks

but has a winrate of like

60%

[trail anvil]

and yeah tyvar seems nice everywhere, that revive effect is real nice

[twilit canyon]

otp, otd, and from the side

[trail anvil]

really?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[trail anvil]

every time I play it it's felt so underwhelming huh

[twilit canyon]

gatekeeper is by all means, optimal atm

at least in the side

im trying out main cus im playing bo1

but im gonna swap back to the side with bo3 in mind cus i think red is way better in bo3

like a lot better

[twilit canyon]

the +1 is also nuts

[[bloom tender]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/138/bloom-tender

Bloom Tender <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: For each color among permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
Beauty is a seed, waiting to blossom under her capable hands.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

[[priest of titania]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cma/136/priest-of-titania

Priest of Titania <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add for each Elf on the battlefield.
Titania rewards all who honor the forest by making them a living part of it.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

suddenly they can just cast ad nauseam with some mana leftover thanks to the +

[trail anvil]

probably more with something bonkers to untap yeah

in standard rn you have kiki jiki's reflection and that oil counter 2-drop

unless you really want to give something artificial vigilance

[twilit canyon]

artificial vigilance is situationally nice

[trail anvil]

but in standard getting a hasty bloodtithe is worth it alone

[twilit canyon]

jund midrange is very strong in theory

yep

[trail anvil]

or using kiki jiki on the turn it flips

[twilit canyon]

mhm

also i gotta say jace is almost there for some decks

[trail anvil]

jund mid is like so close to greatness

[twilit canyon]

jund mid unfortunately came into a meta with mono red and mono white and soldiers being all good

but then on top of that

5c midrange exists

[trail anvil]

I think jace is the build for azorius control rn, you actually need a wincon vs all this midrange and with the lack of a super solid counter spell

[twilit canyon]

and it just eats jund alive

yeah exactly

with jace

i think if you are on control

the wincon is jace

+1 +1 +1 then -x for a billion

[trail anvil]

shit even kaito is actually pretty hard to deal with as a creature focused deck

he helps a ton when you're behind in tempo and if you have bodies he runs away with the game

[twilit canyon]

kaito is much better in alchemy where the poison deck has a bit more legs thanks to the new 3 drop defender

same with nahiri

much better in alchemy with the equipment bs

[trail anvil]

I can definitely see nahiri just cause equipments seem super weak otherwise

[twilit canyon]

i have slightly considered new kaito for soldiers

[trail anvil]

the newest sword ain't it chief

[twilit canyon]

newest sword is nice

if only mono red wasnt also just insanely capable of blowing you up through it anyways

[trail anvil]

I've been so incredibly underwhelmed by it in every context, especially for a sword equip

[twilit canyon]

new sword needed to have been sofai to stand a real chance

sofai at least would have let you be aggressive and removing their stuff at the same time

[trail anvil]

did they really need to make it hit face to trigger tho

[twilit canyon]

yes all the swords do

usually its not an issue

the issue is just that it cant do anything

like yea it digs for you to do more

but thats

just not enough

meta is too fast vs the decks you want the sword with

the new alchemy equipment is much much better a sword for card advantage for example

it doesnt give protection

but it straight up cantrips

if the thing dies

[trail anvil]

oh man I've been skewed by some of the swords like feast and famine some of these are a lot more underwhelming

[twilit canyon]

yes

[trail anvil]

what was the new equipment again

[twilit canyon]

i forgot the name of it

its boros

4 mana iirc

it makes 2 bodies

when equipped creature dies

get another creature

card is lowkey cracked

but im not sure if alchemy has yet hit the equipment needed to fully pop off as a deck yet

like its missing a card

[trail anvil]

oh [[bladehold cleaver]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yone/18/bladehold-cleaver

Bladehold Cleaver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin!
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Whenever equipped creature dies, draft a card from Bladehold Cleaver's spellbook.
Equip

[trail anvil]

it's missing embercleave :^)

[twilit canyon]

idt its cleave

cus this deck only really has like 2 creatures on board at once

[trail anvil]

honestly I'm mostly shitposting

I kind of blew off equipment after seeing what they did to it in ONE