Magic the Gathering

[lusty trench]

[[Mishra claimed by gix]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/216/mishra-claimed-by-gix?utm_source=discord

Mishra, Claimed by Gix <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Human Artificer
Whenever you attack, each opponent loses X life and you gain X life, where X is the number of attacking creatures. If Mishra, Claimed by Gix and a creature named Phyrexian Dragon Engine are attacking, and you both own and control them, exile them, then meld them into Mishra, Lost to Phyrexia. It enters the battlefield tapped and attacking.
3/5

[fallow citrus]

[[mishra, lost to phyrexia]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/163b/mishra-lost-to-phyrexia?utm_source=discord

Mishra, Lost to Phyrexia

Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Artificer
Whenever Mishra, Lost to Phyrexia enters the battlefield or attacks, choose three —
• Target opponent discards two cards.
• Mishra deals 3 damage to any target.
• Destroy target artifact or planeswalker.
• Creatures you control gain menace and trample until end of turn.
• Creatures you don't control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
• Create two tapped Powerstone tokens.
9/9

[fallow citrus]

hm

there's not much I can really think of to do this with

[lusty trench]

All I've really done is shove in staples

[fallow citrus]

I mean you have easy token gen with [[kiki-jiki]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “kiki-jiki”, can you be more specific?

[fallow citrus]

damn you scryfall

[lusty trench]

I might have to swap him over with the other mishra

[fallow citrus]

you can go hard on the rakdos stuff but it seems like a much more straight forward thing to do than urza

where at least with urza you have uw control stuff to play with and your artifact synergies

[golden plover]

Rakdos as a color combo in commander as a whole is sorta lacking

[fallow citrus]

you could just do normal rakdos scam stuff with mishra

[golden plover]

You've got a lot of staples, but your wincons aren't really there

[lusty trench]

Normal rakdos scam stuff?

[golden plover]

I mean you've always got access to shit like Dockside and Breach

[fallow citrus]

you can play stuff like

grief and kroxa

[lusty trench]

I got dockside and bolas citadel in there, same with the sheoldreds and gix, I don't own a bridge even though I probably should

[lusty trench]

Don't have these either

[fallow citrus]

you have stuff like persist, goryo's vengeance

[golden plover]

Can always run Ragavan

[lusty trench]

I'm working on getting all the revive cards so these are a wip

[lusty trench]

I am too broke for the funky monkey

[golden plover]

That's fair

The monkey is too much money

[lusty trench]

I'm probably gonna buy the stuff I need from the most recent theros set

I joined just after it so I'm missing some stuff in it

[golden plover]

Oh Kroxa is "each"

Yeah, he's real good

[last glen]

is there a good place to learn about staples for formats

[golden plover]

Depends on the format and color, really

[lusty trench]

God I want to play more green decks but their staples are wack price wise

[last glen]

I'm just fiddling around and crossreferencing lists
and not sure where to find ideas for staples that might not currently be in the meta but are worth knowing about

[fallow citrus]

again it depends on the format

cause some staples aren't legal in some formats

[lusty trench]

Anyone know why green staples seem disproportionately expensive?

[fallow citrus]

like which ones

[lusty trench]

Idk it just seems that whenever I look up a green staple they're 2x the price I expect them to be

[fallow citrus]

idk I'm looking at a lot of commander lists and most of the common green cards tend to be cheap

[lusty trench]

Like great henge or dryad of the elisium grove or the token gen improvers

[fallow citrus]

the good ones always occupy the rare and mythic slot though so that might be why

great henge is an insane card that's only really playable in commander right

dryad is key to making primeval titan work in modern

it just happens that a lot of them are higher rarity, maybe from sets that weren't bought as much, and are just really good cards

[lusty trench]

Shame

I'm probably going to pick up a commander collection green soon

Just for the worldly tutor and sylvan library

I think what also doesn't help is token gen strategies are insanely popular

[fallow citrus]

ya

supply and demand etc

[lusty trench]

I think what's fun is white has some of the least expensive staples while being my second favourite colour

I tried playing friendly atraxa but people saw atraxa and got scared

[golden plover]

Lmao wotc quietly removed the date from the 30th anniversary lair (the $150 one that was super limited because it was "supposed to ship quickly") and they apparently haven't gone out yet

Shipping date was supposed to be today, so I guess they missed that mark

[lusty trench]

Anyone know why phyrexian fleshgorger is so much?

[copper pecan]

it's a decent threat for standard and is also a tron payoff in other formats

and is a mythic from a set that just came out so there isn't much supply

[lusty trench]

I guess the ward is spoopy

[zinc shard]

... that better be a visual bug

OK they're actually Brothers War packs, just showing the wrong image

[lusty trench]

Good luck the doublea12 on ur pulls

[trail anvil]

god if they actually gave you capenna

[golden plover]

Welp we've passed the newest "shipped by" date for Heads I Win

[golden plover]

Ayy not bad

Sylex is a really good card

[lusty trench]

no dragon engine

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[zinc shard]

i got 2

[lusty trench]

Oh I must be blind

Ah they have a different frame

[trail anvil]

btw the code this time around is playbro

which is the same thing you say when your friend is roping

man these aren't the craziest cards in the game but getting 6 rares/mythics at the same time still feels amazing lol

time to get altar of dementia in my historic brawl decks

[lusty trench]

Brotherhood's end is also great

I need to double sleeve my urza deck, flipping the meld card is gonna get risky

[fallow citrus]

man the worst feeling ever is losing to people playing some random ass garbage that just saves them in one situation

[lusty trench]

My specialty

[fallow citrus]

also this further reinforces why I hate bo1 instead of bo3

but I can't put together a sideboard in arena so L for me ig

[trail anvil]

I hope so, I've pulled 3 so far

[zinc shard]

https://mtgazone.com/50-new-decks-with-the-brothers-war-for-day-1/

well guess im playing Soldiers

wow thats alot of Rare Wildcards, maybe i wont

[trail anvil]

yeah soldiers have a ton of rares from what I could see lmao

[twilit canyon]

soldiers should be insanely good

also this limited format is very aggressive

[zinc shard]

btw restarted my game, the new capenna thing wont go away lol

[clever sun]

I LOVE CASTING LOADSTONE GOLEM

This card is so bullshit lmaooo

Just

5/3 for 4 that taxes everything under the sun

So broken

[sleek ferry]

[[loadstone golem]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/219/lodestone-golem?utm_source=discord

Lodestone Golem <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
Nonartifact spells cost more to cast.
"Somehow it warps the Æther. It brings a strange weight, a blockade in the flow of spellcraft." —Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
5/3

[zinc shard]

anyone else having an iussue where the game just doesnt start and it shows each player at 0 life?

[trail anvil]

nope, that sounds like a pretty bad bug

also did they just change the fucking interface for shock lands again?

[twilit canyon]

gold packs might be the best thing arena has done

for the economy

in a long time

[copper pecan]

yeah

[lusty trench]

Man my Mishra edh deck sucks

I hate having no draw

[twilit canyon]

skill issue ig?

[lusty trench]

Ye

[twilit canyon]

whats your list?

[lusty trench]

I don't have one to share, I just made it up in person

[twilit canyon]

o

[rigid scarab]

More access to Wildcards when

[clever sun]

Historic Mill got a big buff with Mesmeric Orb

This format continues to look more and more like Modern

[clever sun]

Gold packs do exactly this

They count towards wildcards gained and only pay out in rares and mythics

I bought out the entire set of Brother's War with only about 100$ compared to past sets where I would spend $200-250

I'm only missing a few Retro Artifact mythics

[zinc shard]

I have no idea how i managed this

which deck should i make

[trail anvil]

I'm half worried they're gonna get rid of them, but yeah gold packs are crazy good value

[trail anvil]

how are you building sultai in such a way that teferi's a part of it

[zinc shard]

Got this list online

[trail anvil]

this feels like one of the lists that wants to try out all the new cards but will be a big regret for anyone crafting it using a limited wildcard supply

[twilit canyon]

ngl this looks really really bad

ghjf

swiftspear is season reward

😭

[polar lake]

still cant believe i went 4-0 at my locals modern tournament

[glad peak]

Depend on how competitive the store is

But this certainly is a deck then can randomly win

[fallow citrus]

man having no wildcards in arena sucks

hopping in to play some games and the first game I get to play is against just fully blinged out UW soldiers

fuck me I guess

[fallow citrus]

hueg

[burnt relic]

chomky

[fallow citrus]

after BRO are there any playable izzet prowess lists

I assume there are I just haven't seen any I massively like

[twilit canyon]

idt u need to go izzet

mono red is probably more than enough

[fallow citrus]

ah sick

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1042510515349495919/2r3bvqpy2c0a1.png

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvXZ5CvzdTY&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[golden plover]

Stone Brain is incredibly punishing to Greasefang

Deck cannot play under it

[last glen]

brain check
the first time you cast an equipment
do you have to pay both the cast and equip cost to equip it to a creature
or just the cast cost

[sudden lava]

both but you dont have to pay immediately

[last glen]

can you pay the equip cost the same turn you cast it

[sudden lava]

yes

[last glen]

gotcha

[sudden lava]

so basically you can cast it ahead of time or equip the turn it comes out

[fallow citrus]

stone brain is an incredibly grim card to play against but also it existing balances some decks

like stone brain vs creativity lmao

name archon

[trail anvil]

well this kind of card has been around for a while, but having it generic is nice

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6afead32-3542-44c4-82d6-b6a81beb9f90.jpg?1600713424

good boy, vanilla but cute

Danitha cooler tho

[fallow citrus]

yeah as well as it being searchable with karn is insane

also this card is mental

[[haywire mite]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/199/haywire-mite?utm_source=discord

Haywire Mite <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact Creature — Insect
When Haywire Mite dies, you gain 2 life.
, Sacrifice Haywire Mite: Exile target noncreature artifact or noncreature enchantment.
"They're easy enough to squish, but they're a pain to wash out of a workbench." —Tergel, goblin explosioneer
1/1

[last glen]

that is some cheap removal

delayed by a turn, but still

[copper pecan]

[[stone brain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/221/stone-rain?utm_source=discord

Stone Rain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target land.

[twilit canyon]

lol

[copper pecan]

[[the stone brain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/247/the-stone-brain?utm_source=discord

The Stone Brain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile The Stone Brain: Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way. Activate only as a sorcery.

[copper pecan]

there we go

[golden plover]

You don't even have to wait a turn if you have the mana

[last glen]

oh summoning sickness doesn't apply and stop it from activating?

[copper pecan]

it doesn't need to tap to do the thing

[last glen]

Ahhh

[twilit canyon]

artifacts are unaffected by summoning sickness

unless they are artifact creatures

also if they become creatures by any means during the turn they are cast, they also get summoning sickness

unless given haste

but, if an activated ability doesnt has the {t} symbol

it is free to activate if you have the mana for it

[golden plover]

Man I wanted to try edicts in Greasefang, but Greasefang might unironically be dead

Especially in pioneer proper

There's no backup plan when you're hit with stone brain

Although on the bright side... Maybe this will finally get Karn banned

[last glen]

do you jam Prohibition Stone Brain into basically any non-aggro sideboard now

[golden plover]

Depends on the format

It's really good in pioneer because basically every deck had a key card

[last glen]

Stone Brain at 2 mana
hmm

too slow to call one of the Elves or Opt with it, right?

[fallow citrus]

yeah you don't want to call one mana spells unless they're the whole strategy of a deck

so like

[last glen]

shit Stone Brain call Regisaur Alpha absolutely ruins me
well not absolutely
but it does slow me down

[fallow citrus]

in modern you put it in against creation to get rid of their target
against 4c elementals probably omnath
against ur murktide probably name murktide
rhinos name footfalls

[golden plover]

Rn I'm thinking you use it on:
-Greasefang (Parhelion if they've got one out, but they shouldn't)
-Phoenix
-Nyktos, Cavalier, Karn, anything in the mirror

Also, if the opponent is on a splash of less than 5 lands for a secondary color, you can use it to turn their splash off

[fallow citrus]

you definitely use it on nykthos

[golden plover]

Nykthos is the main target

[last glen]

quick backtrack
Haywire Mite is the cheap artifact removal I've been looking for lol

[fallow citrus]

[[the stone brain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/247/the-stone-brain?utm_source=discord

The Stone Brain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile The Stone Brain: Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way. Activate only as a sorcery.

[golden plover]

But if they've got Nykthos, just work your way down the line

[last glen]

hmmm

[fallow citrus]

lotus field is a good call too

[granite badge]

I wonder if anyone has tried to build a edh deck with this

[last glen]

giving the other dude a draw four

[golden plover]

Also, Karn can recycle it too

[last glen]

sounds pretty scary

[golden plover]

Yeah, lotus field is a good one too

Lotus Combo wasn't seeing any play prior

But it's definitely dead now

[last glen]

anything particularly good against human aggro

[golden plover]

Used to be the classic stax commander

I think you don't side in your brains against humans

[granite badge]

...how?

[golden plover]

Humans and Rakdos you don't touch it

[sudden lava]

Plenty have

[golden plover]

It's 1 mana, you run all the good staxs artifacts and just use it to slowly murder

[granite badge]

I thought Kambal was the defacto stax commander?

[sudden lava]

its in the top 24 for mono white commanders

for equipment, aka voltron

[golden plover]

It's [[Oswald Fiddlebender]] now

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/28/oswald-fiddlebender?utm_source=discord

Oswald Fiddlebender <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2

[last glen]

brain check
"stax?"

[golden plover]

Stax is a term for decks that seek to win by denying the opponent resources and the ability to play the game

Named after [[Smokestack]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/282/smokestack?utm_source=discord

Smokestack <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may put a soot counter on Smokestack.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player sacrifices a permanent for each soot counter on Smokestack.

[golden plover]

Stax typically includes stuff like [[Winter Orb]] and [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=discord

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/38/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=discord

Thalia, Guardian of Thraben <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
First strike
Noncreature spells cost more to cast.
"Thraben belongs to the living. I will not rest until it is cleansed."
2/1

[golden plover]

I prefer Ghen if you're splashing for black

[fallow citrus]

do you want sideboard options in general or just stone brain targets

[last glen]

just stone brain targets in theory

mostly spitballing and such

[fallow citrus]

I would never side it in against humans

but if I did

uh what format are you playing

[granite badge]

[[Stone brain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/221/stone-rain?utm_source=discord

Stone Rain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target land.

[fallow citrus]

if it's standard you hit things like uh valiant veteran and myrel

[granite badge]

Scryfall...

[fallow citrus]

[[the stone brain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/247/the-stone-brain?utm_source=discord

The Stone Brain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile The Stone Brain: Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way. Activate only as a sorcery.

[fallow citrus]

but low to the ground aggro decks don't really care about having stuff hit

combo decks do

or decks that have a big finisher

[zinc shard]

Cast The Stone Brain
Name The Stone Brain

[golden plover]

You don't side it on aggro, yeah

But in formats like pioneer where there's a lot of key cards that can't come down t2-3, you can just win

[fallow citrus]

I'd say it's probably good in every format except standard lmao

[golden plover]

Oh definitely

I'm sure there's modern targets

I just only know the pioneer ones

[fallow citrus]

there are so many in modern rn

[golden plover]

Murktide is a big one, yeah?

Also notably for pioneer, I wouldn't side it in on rakdos

You can hit their Kroxa, but they really don't care

[twilit canyon]

murktide isnt the wincon for murktide

confusing i know

but its not

[fallow citrus]

so if we look here
Murktide obvs murktide, hammer time you hit hammer and they're just playing uw stoneblade, creativity you hit archon they have no creatures in deck, rakdos you don't have any real good targets, titan you hit titan, yawg you hit yawg etc, nearly every deck in this image has a good target

[twilit canyon]

the stone brain is just a colorless [[surgical extraction]] but massively overcosted

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/94/surgical-extraction?utm_source=discord

Surgical Extraction <:manabp:292901508922474496>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Choose target card in a graveyard other than a basic land card. Search its owner's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that card and exile them. Then that player shuffles.

[fallow citrus]

yeah I wouldn't side it against murktide but if I had it that's what I'd name

[twilit canyon]

dont

name ledger shredder or ragavan

[golden plover]

The upside of it being colorless tho is huge

[twilit canyon]

vs hammer you name sigarda's aid

or puresteel paladin

vs creativity name archon but be aware that they can and will win anyways bc fable of the mirror breaker and planeswalkers can pull through

vs rakdos scam theres nothing its a dead card

[fallow citrus]

ig I have a lot to learn then

[twilit canyon]

hitting hammer is useless against hammer

they can and will win without it very often through puresteel and sigarda's aid

moving sofai around

and shadowspears and kaldra compleat

naming hammer is not only likely too slow

it might also do nothing vs their hand

and even if you do, you can end up losing to their cards anyways

not to mention inkmoth nexus infect damage for lethal is well within their abilities

murktide is the last thing you should ever name against murktide

i know its confusing but murktide is not the wincon

not in modern

the only thing to name is either ledger shredder or ragavan

and yea this card is entirely dead vs 4c omnath, rakdos, murktide, burn, rhinos and domain zoo

and shadow

i would not run the stone brain as a card rn in modern

oh and its awful awful against merfolk

[fallow citrus]

good to know

[golden plover]

I think it's insane in pioneer tho

It's a free win against a majority of the format

[twilit canyon]

it isnt

[golden plover]

Greasefang and Phoenix just pick up their deck and go home

[twilit canyon]

they shouldnt

stone brain is worthless against both decks

[golden plover]

It blows out Greasefang and Phoenix, it wins you the devotion mirror

How? If you hit Greasefang with it they lose

[twilit canyon]

devotion mirror sure ig?

how do you lose there?

[golden plover]

There's no backup plan

[twilit canyon]

you cast esika's chariot

and liliana of the veil

[golden plover]

Esika's Chariot beat down isn't cutting it

[twilit canyon]

stall until you can cast parhelion

this wins games if they are taking about 2 turns off to stone brain you

[golden plover]

That's not happening against Devotion or anything else that'd be playing brain tho

[twilit canyon]

and as for phoeni

phoenix

you are still losing to ledger shredder and thing in the ice

phoenix is the worst card in phoenix by far

[golden plover]

Phoenix maybe you can come back

But you're out of the game in Greasefang

[twilit canyon]

i disagree

[golden plover]

I guess we'll have to see how it goes, but I don't see a reason decks that could run the card wouldn't

But hey, maybe they'll finally ban Karn over it

[twilit canyon]

its bc the stone brain is only gonna be ran in devotion

and the ban isnt karn

its nykthos

[golden plover]

Nykthos is the ban, but I think they wanna keep Nykthos in the format

Karn is a problem card in general

[twilit canyon]

so they wanna do what they did with phoenix

[golden plover]

He's gonna have to go sooner or later and rn devotion is the only thing running him

[twilit canyon]

that shit is killing pioneer

[golden plover]

They'll keep Nykthos around for as long as the card is "fair" imo

Rn it's definitely not because the deck is overperforming by far

But I think losing Karn makes the deck move closer to the fair gameplan of ramping into a big guy and trying to kill you with it

[twilit canyon]

it wouldnt swap to that

the deck would just disappear

[golden plover]

Karn leaving also means they can't wish the chain veil in and use Teferi to go infinite

Karn is a problem card in general, and I think they'd wanna keep Nykthos around for if other things pop up

I just kinda hope this is the final push to get Karn banned. Because if not this it'll be [[Urza's Sylex]] or whatever

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/40/urzas-sylex?utm_source=discord

Urza's Sylex <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile Urza's Sylex: Each player chooses six lands they control. Destroy all other permanents. Activate only as a sorcery.
When Urza's Sylex is put into exile from the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, search your library for a planeswalker card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.

[golden plover]

Anything that Karn can keep grabbing back from exile to abuse

[twilit canyon]

nykthos is generally not a healthy card

whatsoever

karn is not nearly a problem

[golden plover]

It's not, but they're concerned with "format staples"

[twilit canyon]

especially when you cant uber ramp with him

yea which is very stupid

[golden plover]

Karn is proving to be an issue in other formats too

[twilit canyon]

as i said that is more likely to kill pioneer than anything else

[golden plover]

He's restricted in Vintage after all

[twilit canyon]

he hasnt?

hes restricted in vintage bc vintage can turn 1 karn and then continue to cast spells off your wishboard

[golden plover]

He's got better artifacts there, but he's a problematic design

[twilit canyon]

and also

the power 9 are legal and he shuts them off

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm aware he's way better there

[twilit canyon]

hes not really that problematic

[golden plover]

But Karn is proving to be an issue

[twilit canyon]

the gap in power for vintage karn

and other formats

is so wide

its not even worth discussing

[golden plover]

Being able to wishboard in whatever in devotion and also shut off artifacts is wild

[twilit canyon]

hes an entirely different card there

[golden plover]

He's also got the whole "cards aren't supposed to be able to be grabbed back from exile" problem

Where he's the easiest way to get a card out of exile in the game

[twilit canyon]

yea just artifacts

[golden plover]

Sure there's that 1 mana white spell, but it just puts it in your graveyard

[twilit canyon]

which is fine

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the point of exile is that it's gone gone

[fallow citrus]

is [[wish]] legal in pioneer?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/166/wish?utm_source=discord

Wish <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
You may play a card you own from outside the game this turn.
"If you had just one wish, what would it be? Gold, or angel song? Finding a lost love, or finding your way back home? Let me sing a song about one wish that came true . . ." —Ellywick Tumblestrum

[twilit canyon]

yes it is

[golden plover]

Yeah

You'd be better off with [[Fae of Wishes]] tho

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/44/fae-of-wishes-granted?utm_source=discord

Fae of Wishes <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
, Discard two cards: Return Fae of Wishes to its owner's hand.
1/4

Granted
Sorcery — Adventure
You may reveal a noncreature card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand.

[golden plover]

Which some older Jeskai Fires decks were using for Agent before his ban

[lusty trench]

I was about to say if it didn't get a AFR printing that's a massive flavour fail

[golden plover]

Oh wait, he's not banned in pioneer

Fires lost something, but I can't remember what it was

Whatever it was, it killed the deck

Oh duh, Iteration

[twilit canyon]

iteration was the stupidest ban of all time tbh

[golden plover]

Iteration is insane

[twilit canyon]

yes it is

but its not nearly as powerful as treasure cruise and dig through time

leaving those 2 legal but not iteration is the reason pioneer cant be taken seriously as a format

[golden plover]

Yeah, but they wanted to slap Phoenix on the wrist while also outright murdering decks that used iteration for "fair" things

Phoenix isn't even playing Dig Through Time anymore. I don't think anything in the format is

[twilit canyon]

they dont need it

just cruise

and expropriate

[golden plover]

Yeah, they definitely still play cruise

Expropriate isn't pioneer legal

[twilit canyon]

the delve turn spell

[golden plover]

Temporal Trespass?

It's not seeing play anywhere rn either

Was seeing play a bit in Esper Control

But that deck was a big cope as is

[twilit canyon]

temporal trespass is minimum 2 of in phoenix

[golden plover]

Oh right, Phoenix is still playing it

It's mostly 1-2 of tho

I miss Lotus Combo being good in the format

But Devotion has completely shut down that deck

Well that and the fast aggro that doesn't let you get to combo

[last glen]

[[Dig Through Time]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/219/dig-through-time?utm_source=discord

Dig Through Time <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[golden plover]

Ideally, I think the next pioneer banlist should hit Karn, Phoenix, and maybe something for the sake of Rakdos (idunno, Sheoldred? Fable? Probably Fable)

I think with those hits, the format would be in a good place

Not Phoenix itself obviously, but actually hit the deck and not just iteration

Maybe preemptively ban Fires or 4c Omnath too, since that deck would lose its hardest matchups

[glad peak]

Dhalsim is a better stax commander than kambal, winota (no not really), and oswald

[golden plover]

Is he? Most modern cedh stax stuff I've seen uses oswald

[twilit canyon]

why would they hit phoenix?

[glad peak]

Dhalsim having green and white while having tymna’s text is pretty good

[twilit canyon]

phoenix has proven its the worst card in the deck

[golden plover]

Didn't mean Phoenix itself. Meant actually hitting the deck

[twilit canyon]

there are more recent success with the 8 young pyro + ledger shredder decks than phoneix

oh

[fallow citrus]

[[dhalsim]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/433/dhalsim-pliable-pacifist?utm_source=discord

Dhalsim, Pliable Pacifist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Reach
Teleport — Dhalsim, Pliable Pacifist has hexproof unless he's attacking.
Whenever a creature you control with reach attacks, untap it and it can't be blocked by creatures with greater power this combat.
Fierce Punch — Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, draw a card.
1/3

[fallow citrus]

huh

neat

[twilit canyon]

the only card to hit there is treasure cruise

but they wont ever hit cruise

bc "format identity"

[golden plover]

Yeah, Cruise would be the best move

[twilit canyon]

and as for rakdos

the only card that makes sense to hit is fable

nykthos for the green deck

[golden plover]

I think they'd be willing to hit cruise after 1-2 more slaps on the wrist

[twilit canyon]

but the issue there is no matter how you slice it

you kill the deck really

[golden plover]

That's why I'd prefer the hit to be karn

[twilit canyon]

that auto kills the deck

[golden plover]

If Nykthos dies, there's a deck down the line that uses Karn for something else

[twilit canyon]

you hit nykthos? deck dies still but maybe karn decks can live

there is already another one

[golden plover]

If Karn dies, "format identity" sticks around and maybe some janky Nykthos deck pops up in a few months

[twilit canyon]

the mono-red fires

with karn and using cleansing wildfire to ramp

[golden plover]

Watch them hit Oath of Nissa again and call it a day

[twilit canyon]

lmfao

that hit would be hilariously out of touch and terrible

but also extremely on-brand for wotc and pioneer

"we dont wanna actually manage this format"

[golden plover]

It would, but we gotta give the best deck a slap on the wrist first banlist after

Phoenix can get like 3-4 more slaps on the wrist btw

They'll ban Phoenix and go "wow the deck is playing Sprite Dragon? The creativity of players"

[fallow citrus]

oh speaking of oath

[twilit canyon]

what more can you hit out of phoenix

nah sprite dragon wont make it in

[fallow citrus]

I saw a cool 4c elemental list mengucci played on stream with oath in

[twilit canyon]

the build would just be 8 seasoned pyros and 4 ledger shredders

[fallow citrus]

seeing that deck in action kinda made me want to play it ngl

[twilit canyon]

that deck is solid

[golden plover]

Oh right isn't there that new Izzet pyromancer?

[twilit canyon]

[[third path iconoclast]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/223/third-path-iconoclast?utm_source=discord

Third Path Iconoclast <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Monk
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 colorless Soldier artifact creature token.
"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I merely propose expanding our toolbox."
2/1

[twilit canyon]

better seasoned pyro

err

young pyro

worse seasoned pyro

cus its not the same

[golden plover]

True but you're trading 1 for U

[twilit canyon]

but its non-creature spells

[fallow citrus]

yeah it is solid

[twilit canyon]

and it makes artifact creatures

so you can in theory run affinity shit

[fallow citrus]

and the interaction between oath and blood moon is really strong

"interaction" I say

[golden plover]

Yeah trading the 1 for U to get a better card is totally fair

[twilit canyon]

and you are already playing izzet

with p much best mana

so

no need to do anything special

[golden plover]

I'm honestly not sure if pioneer affinity will shift to Jeskai for it?

But it wouldn't surprise me if they did, the deck is mostly a meme rn as is

It's a fun meme tho. Probably my favorite deck in the format rn

Just a bunch of cheap artifacts and [[Metalworks Colossus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/222/metalwork-colossus?utm_source=discord

Metalwork Colossus <:mana11:292901508838850570>

Artifact Creature — Construct
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the total mana value of noncreature artifacts you control.
Sacrifice two artifacts: Return Metalwork Colossus from your graveyard to your hand.
10/10

[last glen]

hmm
as it turns out
trying to assemble twenty mana for one turn is difficult

my attempt to build an 8 opt 8 elf deck has not succeeded yet

we try again

[zinc shard]

wincon?

[last glen]

well this is what I tried last time

it did not work

maybe instead of a bad combo deck that needs twenty mana for its combo
we go for more midrange

all I can play is midrange anyway

[fallow citrus]

mono red is really eating good in standard rn

I haven't had to mulligan for like 10 games

[last glen]

are you playing mono red aggro or midrange

[fallow citrus]

aggro

[sleek ferry]

I kinda want to build Gruul or green stompy in standard

[golden plover]

Swiftspear means we're like a card short of burn in pioneer for explorer

[fallow citrus]

what card's missing?

eidolon?

[golden plover]

Yup

Everything else is there

It's as close as Greasefang is now

[last glen]

any suggestions for Simic win conditions

seeing suggestions online mostly for infinite mana combos that probably don't work in Pioneer

or maybe a Rite of Replication push (which is also not Pioneer legal)

[fallow citrus]

well just as I spoke my deck proved me wrong

proceeded to flood lands 2 games in a row

[last glen]

brain check
any particular three-mana artifacts that generate one mana that are better than the others

[fallow citrus]

[[coalition relic]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/180/coalition-relic?utm_source=discord

Coalition Relic <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
: Put a charge counter on Coalition Relic.
At the beginning of your precombat main phase, remove all charge counters from Coalition Relic. Add one mana of any color for each charge counter removed this way.

[fallow citrus]

uuuh

do you want it to be coloured mana or not

[last glen]

colored mana is nice but not super needed

coalition relic storing up charge is very nice tho

[fallow citrus]

there's [[grim monolith]] and [[basalt monolith]] but I have no idea if they're legal in the format you're playing

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/126/grim-monolith?utm_source=discord

Grim Monolith <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Grim Monolith doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Add .
: Untap Grim Monolith.
Part prison, part home.

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/232/basalt-monolith?utm_source=discord

Basalt Monolith <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Basalt Monolith doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Add .
: Untap Basalt Monolith.

[last glen]

Pioneer

they may not be

[fallow citrus]

what colours are you in

[last glen]

blue green

[fallow citrus]

[[simic locket]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/240/simic-locket?utm_source=discord

Simic Locket <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add or .
, , Sacrifice Simic Locket: Draw two cards.
"Like our guild itself, this locket can stand for many things. You must discern what it means for you." —Vannifar

[last glen]

[[simic cluestone]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/145/simic-cluestone?utm_source=discord

Simic Cluestone <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add or .
, , Sacrifice Simic Cluestone: Draw a card.
Simic symbols are among the most intricate and fragile, yet few vandalize them for fear of the strange lifeforms that might be released.

[last glen]

hmm

[fallow citrus]

and [[simic keyrune]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/265/simic-keyrune?utm_source=discord

Simic Keyrune <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add or .
: Simic Keyrune becomes a 2/3 green and blue Crab artifact creature with hexproof until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)

[last glen]

mildly surprised the colorless runes don't have bigger upsides to compensate for generating colorless mana

I guess a significant number of them have effects that don't require them to be sacked

[lusty trench]

What's people's thoughts when they play against a korvold edh deck?

[zinc shard]

"Im killing this dragon the second he enters the battlefield"

[glad peak]

“Stop him once then kill him”

[lusty trench]

Ah, shame

Gonna make it anyway cause I love sac outlets

[fallow citrus]

I mean

most good or well known commanders are gonna be kill on sight anyway

may as well build them if you'll like them

[lusty trench]

Fair enough

Any good token gens in korvolds colours

[glad peak]

Dockside extortionist

Things that loop dockside

Things that loop korvold

[lusty trench]

How does one loop korvold

[glad peak]

Oh wait wrong commander

I was thinking of prosh food chain

But still dockside and things that loop dockside

[lusty trench]

Any less... Idk dockside dependant options

[zinc shard]

Ye Korvold's a fun commander for sure

[glad peak]

Cloudstone curio+dockside, Temur sabertooth+dockside, or any food chain + “play from exile” = infinite mana and sacs

Have fun

With infinite mana and with cloudstone or sabertooth, loop eternal witness to repeatedly get assassin’s trophy to blow up everything

That’s also a line

[last glen]

brain check
are there any cards like upstart goblin
where you draw cards and the opponent gains life

[zinc shard]

Closest thing Magic has is [[Phyrexian Probe]] and its banned in most formats

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nem/65/phyrexian-prowler?utm_source=discord

Phyrexian Prowler <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Zombie Mercenary
Fading 3 (This creature enters the battlefield with three fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from Phyrexian Prowler: Phyrexian Prowler gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
3/3

[zinc shard]

er [[gitaxian probe]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/35/gitaxian-probe?utm_source=discord

Gitaxian Probe <:manaup:292901508780130305>

Sorcery
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Look at target player's hand.
Draw a card.
"My flesh holds no secrets, monster. The spirit of Mirrodin will fight on." —Vy Covalt, Mirran resistance

[polar lake]

Round 1 was Boros Burn
Round 2 was Hammer Time
Round 3 was 5c Humans
Round 4 was Murktide

[glad peak]

Round 1 should’ve been easy, 2 depends on hands and hammer build, 3 depends on if you can kill fast, and 4 depends on how bad the opponent is

[polar lake]

both me and the Murktide were 3-0 so idk

[golden plover]

Not that I can think of, but magic has plenty of just regular draws

[twilit canyon]

yea magic does like giving out draws pretty readily

tho

they often arent good

divination is not a playable magic card for example

[polar lake]

but in commander tho...

[twilit canyon]

divination is awful in commander

card draw in commander needs to be extremely broken

[copper pecan]

there are also strictly better versions of divination

like [[jace's triumph]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/55/jaces-triumph?utm_source=discord

Jace's Triumph <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw two cards. If you control a Jace planeswalker, draw three cards instead.
His triumph was not in outsmarting Bolas's plan, but in understanding why ultimate power is self-defeating.

[glad peak]

neither are playable

archmage's charm is the most playable divination

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/hovermyr/status/1593040159884607489?t=oWZraJr6XOlOL2e0I2oHZQ&s=19

wife liker (@hovermyr)

Watching pioneer as a judge feels like watching a bunch of very good standard decks playing against one mediocre modern deck

Likes

308

Twitter · Nov 17, 2022, 12:35 AM

[fallow citrus]

lmfao

[last glen]

brain check
what is a "mana ability"
is that an ability that gains mana
or an ability that spends mana

double brain check
what is "commander damage"

[hidden ermine]

Ability that adds mana

Commander damage is damage done by a commander

[golden plover]

Yeah that's pretty much it

It's why I like the format when there's not an insane deck

It's just a bunch of good standard decks

[last glen]

what's the practical difference for dealing damage with your commander

[hidden ermine]

If you do 20 commander damage to a player, that player is out of the game

Er, 21

Oh and it has to be combat damage, so damage from being attacked

[golden plover]

Yeah unfortunately my boy [[Yurlok]] doesn't get to be as funny

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/293/yurlok-of-scorch-thrash?utm_source=discord

Yurlok of Scorch Thrash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Viashino Shaman
Vigilance
A player losing unspent mana causes that player to lose that much life.
, : Each player adds .
The gifts of Jund never come without a price.
4/4

[last glen]

when a mana cost is, for example
X X
does this mean you pay at least 2 for X
or you have to pay in multiples of 2, and X would be, say, half of what you paid

[lusty trench]

Latter

If a cost is XX you have to pay in even intervals, and X is half of the total mana you've paid into the thing

[last glen]

So X X X would be multiples of 3

[golden plover]

Yup

But I don't think there's a card with that yet

[hidden ermine]

There is

[[Astral Cornucopia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/172/astral-cornucopia?utm_source=discord

Astral Cornucopia <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202>

Artifact
Astral Cornucopia enters the battlefield with X charge counters on it.
: Choose a color. Add one mana of that color for each charge counter on Astral Cornucopia.

[hidden ermine]

Also more recently [[Crackle with Power]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/95/crackle-with-power?utm_source=discord

Crackle with Power <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Crackle with Power deals five times X damage to each of up to X targets.
Will gasped as Rowan drew from the raw power of the Strixhaven Snarl. For a moment, she was luminous, transcendent, terrible.

[golden plover]

Oh man Cackle is weird

[lusty trench]

I got 98 sleeves in the same colour spare

98!!!!

IM LIVID

[glad peak]

Just play partner commanders

Easy

[lusty trench]

I'm playing elves

[golden plover]

Yeah that's fine

[[Miara]] and [[Numa]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/51/miara-thorn-of-the-glade?utm_source=discord

Miara, Thorn of the Glade <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Whenever Miara, Thorn of the Glade or another Elf you control dies, you may pay and 1 life. If you do, draw a card.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Approach from downwind. Tread with care. Aim for the heart."
1/2

Multiple cards match “Numa”, can you be more specific?

[lusty trench]

Numa is dog water though

[golden plover]

Yeah but she's green

[lusty trench]

My partner has the remedy, they're getting sleeves anyway tomorrow so they're gonna get the same type and hand me the spare

[golden plover]

Ah nice

[lusty trench]

Need to get some draw power for the elves now

[glad peak]

Glimpse of nature

Easy

[clever sun]

Sword of the Meek is real good with Oni-Cult Anvil

[glad peak]

I always forget the wording on [[oni-cult anvil]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/230/oni-cult-anvil?utm_source=discord

Oni-Cult Anvil <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
Whenever one or more artifacts you control leave the battlefield during your turn, create a 1/1 colorless Construct artifact creature token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
, Sacrifice an artifact: Oni-Cult Anvil deals 1 damage to each opponent. You gain 1 life.

[clever sun]

I'm not sure how to fully finish up the 75

I want four deadly disputes for sure

Yawgmoth is appealing

[glad peak]

Wait what format has sword of the meek and anvil where you’d want to play them

[clever sun]

[[Sanguine Bloodstroke]] is also potential

[lost widget]

No card found for “Sanguine Bloodstroke”

[clever sun]

[[Sanguine Brushstroke]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/32/sanguine-brushstroke?utm_source=discord

Sanguine Brushstroke <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
When Sanguine Brushstroke enters the battlefield, create a Blood token and conjure a card named Blood Artist onto the battlefield.
Whenever you sacrifice a Blood token, each opponent loses 1 life.

[clever sun]

Historic

[glad peak]

Oh right I can never figure out what’s legal there

[clever sun]

Brushtroke engine with Voldaren Epicure is very solid too

[lusty trench]

What's the win con with elves?

Drop hoof?

[clever sun]

Yes

It is slightly format dependent

Like in Modern the deck is going to put in one to two lethal Shaman of the Pack into play

In Legacy they will drop a Progenitus or kill you with Allosaurus Shepherd or with Hoof

In Historic it's just Hoof

In Commander it depends on your Commander

Usually Hoof but also Finale of Devastation is just as lethal

[thorny vine]

so like
how exactly does storm in MTG work?
i don’t play the game, i’m just asking out of curiousity because everyone keeps comparing YGO to the deck
is it some hyper solitaire combo deck?

[twilit canyon]

storm isnt a deck by itself

its a mechanic

[[grapeshot]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/166/grapeshot?utm_source=discord

Grapeshot <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Grapeshot deals 1 damage to any target.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Mages often seek to emulate the powerful relics lost to time and apocalypse.

[twilit canyon]

every a spell is cast during the turn you cast a spell with storm, it is copied per spell cast

this includes opponents spells

yugioh isnt nearly as comparable to mtg storm decks

bc mtg storm decks ftk/otk

[glad peak]

The storm deck is basically you play a bunch of things in one turn and try to play an uncounterable win condition

[twilit canyon]

yugioh combo decks set up boards that usually will lead you to a win but its not guaranteed

[glad peak]

It’s not like ygo but it can somewhat seem like it

The closest ygo comparison to storm are the banned cannon soldier decks

But the reason why it’s balanced in magic is because of the mana system and the fact you can’t search for everything you need for free

[golden plover]

Holy shit

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

They're actually shipping it?

[lusty trench]

They finally flipped heads

Lmk what the bonus card is

[golden plover]

I'll believe it when it's here, but maybe it'll show up less than 2 years late

P sure it's a mountain they showed a year ago

But it better be a fucking mana crypt or something at this point

[glad peak]

They finally finished the krarkishima game

[golden plover]

It's funny, I bought a [[Frenetic Efreet]] a year ago when I bought the deck

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mir/264/frenetic-efreet?utm_source=discord

Frenetic Efreet <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Efreet
Flying
: Flip a coin. If you win the flip, Frenetic Efreet phases out. If you lose the flip, sacrifice Frenetic Efreet. (While it's phased out, it's treated as though it doesn't exist. It phases in before you untap during your next untap step.)
2/1

[golden plover]

He's been sitting in my binder all year, maybe he'll finally go home

[glad peak]

Wasn’t that when it spiked to something like 40?

Too lazy to check

Woo strixhaven throwback draft

Actually I don’t think I’ve actually drafted that set

[golden plover]

I bought it at $8

It spiked a bit after

[lusty trench]

Is it cause you can just infinitely flip with it

[glad peak]

Yep, we know

It was one of the cards that was removed from the original decklist iirc

[lusty trench]

Sorry I meant to phrase that as a question

There we go

I'm not sure on the coin flip synergies as I'm unfamiliar

[glad peak]

Oh yep you can flip infinitely with that

There was a modern horizons card where if you flip heads you put a counter on it and if you had something like 20 counters on it you won the game

[copper pecan]

if anything yugioh is closer to dredge than storm

[glad peak]

[[chance encounter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/phed/44/chance-encounter?utm_source=discord

Chance Encounter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever you win a coin flip, put a luck counter on Chance Encounter.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if Chance Encounter has ten or more luck counters on it, you win the game.
The more unlikely the victory, the more memorable the success.

[glad peak]

Oh huh it’s 10 counters and it was a reprint

[lusty trench]

Oh wowee

[glad peak]

Ygo control decks are more like delver and dnt so it fits that people don’t like me playing ygo

[lusty trench]

I play magic for the moments when I play the big dragon turn 2 and the players stop it, thinking there couldn't possibly be a bigger dragon

[glad peak]

Eh a 3/3 flyer is all you need

3/3 flyer and protection

[lusty trench]

Yes but

Old gnawbone ancient brass dragon

[glad peak]

Why play a bigger dragon when you can just stop them from removing your thing

[lusty trench]

Because then I reanimate them all later

[glad peak]

You’ll die before reanimating them

[lusty trench]

Patriarchs bidding is only 5 mana

[glad peak]

Also if you treasured them and protected them, then you wouldn’t have to reanimate them

“Only” 5 mana

[lusty trench]

I play mono black

I reanimate the things I love

[glad peak]

May I introduce you to

[[recurring nightmare]]
[[yosei]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/113/recurring-nightmare?utm_source=discord

Recurring Nightmare <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Sacrifice a creature, Return Recurring Nightmare to its owner's hand: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
"I am confined by sleep and defined by nightmare." —Crovax

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/39/yosei-the-morning-star?utm_source=discord

Yosei, the Morning Star <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit
Flying
When Yosei, the Morning Star dies, target player skips their next untap step. Tap up to five target permanents that player controls.
The caress of the morning star frees all from the clutch of darkness.
5/5

[glad peak]

I love this combo, it’s funny

[lusty trench]

Evil

I just reanimate razaketh usually

[glad peak]

Nah just lock out your opponent from untapping

Then beat in with a manland

Iirc it was playable in standard at one time

Imagine having something like this in standard nowadays, instant ban (and it wasn’t the best deck in any standard)

[lusty trench]

Tfw I have struggled so hard to make a Mishra edh deck that isn't just token spam I just made it aristoreanimator

[lusty trench]

Wtf lmao

[glad peak]

Yeah back when standard was taken seriously

Well I guess it was also back when extended was a format

[lusty trench]

I think the only time I played standard was... I want to say ixalan?

[glad peak]

I hope you didn’t play that draft format

I absolutely hate board slogs

That being said I know strixhaven was sort of a board slog/bomb heavy format too so I’m not sure how to feel about tomorrow

[lusty trench]

It was my first draft experience

Someone got two ghaltas and rolled me

[glad peak]

I guess it’s the best drafting set to start with though

Since iirc that set you picked a tribe then just rolled with it for fear that if you didn’t you’d be outstatted

[lusty trench]

Iirc my best draft experience is... I want to say double feature surprisingly

People were too busy trying to force vampires to work

They did not notice me running werewolves

[glad peak]

I remember double feature being an awkward mess

[lusty trench]

Most of my draft experiences have been awkward messes tbh

[glad peak]

Since midnight hunt and crimson vow had very different archetypes

My last couple drafts have been mono colored for some reason

[lusty trench]

Even neon kamigawa, people just googled what was good and forced it

[glad peak]

Mono black in neo and mono white in dmu

[lusty trench]

I went red green kamigawa and in dmu I had to go black

[glad peak]

I think your store needs better players

[lusty trench]

We got one really good player there but he's often helping running the events

[glad peak]

Yeah, draft is designed around that if people are forcing one thing they’re going to lose

[lusty trench]

Brothers war I went black red

I got Mishra I had to

I don't make the rules

[glad peak]

So a bad archetype can win just because everyone else’s pool is unplayable

My group has 5 good players and 3 bad players so it’s a lottery of who can sit next to the bad players lol

[lusty trench]

It also didn't help I picked any decent cards in those colours that I saw so no one else could use them

[glad peak]

Reoccurring nightmare + yosei is one of the combos I’d put into cube regardless of power because it’s just funny

I wouldn’t add combo packages like twin but I’d add that

[lusty trench]

I love a good funny combo or cards that a really risky

[glad peak]

Too bad reoccurring nightmare is banned in commander

[lusty trench]

I can imagine why

[glad peak]

I can’t remember why but I remember people saying it’s because of yosei but I doubt it

[lusty trench]

I still need to get an entomb and a buried alive

[glad peak]

Reanimation loops are already a thing, why not have one where you have to pay 3 every time

[lusty trench]

Reanimation is cooler flickering

[glad peak]

Eh loses to something everyone should be playing: Grave hate

I’m still mad bro didn’t do a flicker archetype and green control archetype

[lusty trench]

I'm still mad spirits, the flicker tribe, only has mediocre in tribe payoffs

[glad peak]

They have a lord that makes their board hexproof and you can hit 2 of them off coco

What else do you need

Oh and also a creature that can counter uncounterable spells

[lusty trench]

Idk some endgame flicker based strats

[glad peak]

Wait, were spirits as a tribe focused on flickering?

I know they have some flicker cards but nothing good for tribal

[lusty trench]

They're the tribe that does it most iirc

[glad peak]

Huh wolves are the flash archetype too now that I think about it

Weird

[lusty trench]

It's just sad for me cause it's like "oh wow spirits, I bet you guys have a bunch of cool effects where you disappear and reappear and cool stuff happens an- oh youre just flyers who sometimes have additional effects... Ok"

Unless you're spell queller

Spell queller was built different

[fallow citrus]

[[skyclave apparition]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/39/skyclave-apparition?utm_source=discord

Skyclave Apparition <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Kor Spirit
When Skyclave Apparition enters the battlefield, exile up to one target nonland, nontoken permanent you don't control with mana value 4 or less.
When Skyclave Apparition leaves the battlefield, the exiled card's owner creates an X/X blue Illusion creature token, where X is the mana value of the exiled card.
2/2

[golden plover]

Last game of tonight was wild. I was 1 card short of going infinite with Hullbreaker like 5 times and they just had the answers

[zinc shard]

can finally watch the new Game Knights while I wait for Pokemon Scarlet to download

[last glen]

random question
why is Blue shorted to "U"

obviously Blue and Black means one had to give

but why "U"

[copper pecan]

what else would it be

[last glen]

I dunno

E

L

A for azul

[copper pecan]

i know that at one point people used b for blue and k for black

[last glen]

see that makes a lot of sense

did they stop because you can arrange WBRGK into a slur or something

[copper pecan]

iirc it was because wubrg was easier to say out loud

[subtle sierra]

https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/12126/why-do-people-refer-to-blue-color-as-u-in-magic-the-gathering#:~:text=According to Magic Head Designer,represent with the letter U.

basically if you take blue and black
L is for lands
A is for artifacts
so the first letter available was U for blue

[zinc shard]

also WUBRG just rolls off the tounge better

[granite badge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/yyq8d4/card_conjurer_has_been_cease_and_desisted/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Bruh what

https://cardconjurer.com/

Nooooo

[glad peak]

Meh that’s always to be expected

[last glen]

It was always a possibility
But still an unfortunate one

[copper pecan]

i wonder if this is because of that fake leak someone made of that one brothers' war card using card conjurer

[golden plover]

So the bonus for Heads I Win is...

One whole island

That OR a mountain

Honestly dunno why they didn't just make that the art for every basic in the deck. Feels like a wasted art this way

Bonus card could have been the steam vents they cut for a temple

[lusty trench]

They didn't

Premium product

Cuts steam vents

Bruh

[golden plover]

We've seen Gavin's list. Obviously they cut stuff like Volcanic Island

But they cut the steam vents too

[trail anvil]

man people really need to learn how skyclave apparition works

I've seen people lose their commander permanently like 5 times now

[golden plover]

But I wanna make a big token

And I can't do that if I put my commander back

[trail anvil]

tfw ayula turns into a vanilla bear

[golden plover]

Man what I don't get is why isn't the island reversible at least

They made the double sided foils for the commanders. Just slap the mountain on the back

[trail anvil]

isn't that just a pathway

[lusty trench]

Yeah issue is players would cheat with those

They'd say "just need to check the back of my flip card" and then flip over their lands

[golden plover]

Yeah I guess that's true

Could have always included two bonus cards so you wouldn't have to have gotten at least 2 lairs for the arts

But it really should have been these arts for all the basics in the deck over foil battlebond basics

Like this mountain kinda sucks

The battlebond island is nice enough

[lusty trench]

I wish they'd reprint battlebond

It was such a cool set

[golden plover]

I want battlebond 2

But apparently that's never happening

[lusty trench]

I just want battle bond 1 again

[golden plover]

I'd take that too

Also

The coin is plastic apparently

Looks pretty okay tho

[lusty trench]

was it advertised as metal?

[golden plover]

I don't recall

I think I knew it'd be a Pokemon style plastic coin, but I dunno if that's because they said that or I read that elsewhere

Lmao

There's a how to play guide with previews for "upcoming" lairs

[golden plover]

The only thing the listing says for the coin is "special coin"

[last glen]

I tried to make Naya dinosaurs work
But there aren't enough White-based good dinosaurs to warrant the splash
And it's awkward to squeeze in the good white spells in such a creature-heavy strategy
Maybe I'll try a more gimmicky strategy with the power-toughness switchers

[fallow citrus]

what does mono red aggro actually do when someone drops like

urza

and you can't trade into him because he's a 3 mana 2/4

[twilit canyon]

[[obliterating bolt]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/145/obliterating-bolt?utm_source=discord

Obliterating Bolt <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Obliterating Bolt deals 4 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If that creature or planeswalker would die this turn, exile it instead.
In desperation, Pero called on his memory of a lightning storm that nearly killed his family. When he opened his eyes, only smoke and dust remained.

[glad peak]

Or attack with multiple things at once and go face with lightning strikes

[last glen]

huh
DreamhackMagic is live on Twitch

time to watch my first Magic tournament

[glad peak]

Honestly I hate watching most tournaments online

Apart from some games, magic is pretty dull to actually watch

[last glen]

to be fair that's true of a lot of "slow" board and tabletop games

card games just aren't that exciting to watch unless you're thinking super-hard about the game as you watch
or if there's holograms

there are currently no holograms

[trail anvil]

how to beat an azorius control deck posing as a yorion deck apparently: pass the first few turns, land garruk and watch them cry

[twilit canyon]

lol oops

love it when control decks have no way to remove a problem permanent

[trail anvil]

yeah lmao, I honestly just gave up on building this deck with synergies and instead resorted to stuffing every value card I can think of in golgari and it's done me so much better

if for some reason they actually had a full board wipe, I had multiple other threats ready to go

[trail anvil]

it took me way too many games to realize memory lapse is a dogshit card in brawl

unless you have like 100 other counterspells ig to justify them keeping a power card in favor of the tempo loss

[twilit canyon]

counter magic as a whole is not very strong in brawl/commander

[trail anvil]

I like including a few in my deck mostly cause I draw out games and would not normally have a response to stuff like ultimatums, omniscience, other power spells and such

[twilit canyon]

yea include a few. the best ones. any after might as well be removal if possible

[trail anvil]

yeah when people run dogshit ones I'm amazed

[golden plover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mesa_47_/status/1594414173898903558

Micheal McClure (@Mesa_47_)

thread 1/x
Sadly am not going to the pro tour, I was disqualified today from dreamhack, I had some foils in my deck specifically secret lair collected companys among other foils in my de k and the judge staff cut to them and showed how I could have gained an advantage

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 7:35 PM

Holy shit

Imagine getting banned from an official event for using official cards

Apparently you can't proxy them like you could nexus because the card has non-foil prints

[fallow citrus]

I mean unfortunately this is just an issue with foils in any game

[golden plover]

I haven't seen it come up in yugioh ever

And Yugioh has way more foil styles

[fallow citrus]

like how you shouldn't use hobby league cards at a ygo event because they're more easily curled making them easier to stack

[golden plover]

Oh right the hobby league ones

[fallow citrus]

also older foils curl more than newer ones

my set of abyssteus look like pringles

it's something that you should be careful about in an event but not something anyone actively thinks about

[golden plover]

I guess they really should have known not to bring 4 sl foils to the event tbh

But it's really weird to have to consider not being able to play official cards because the quality

[fallow citrus]

it just be like that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper pecan]

yeah it's pretty wild that mtg has this problem this bad

i haven't seen any other card game run into this nearly as often

[fallow citrus]

idk what magic events are like but if there were vendors at the event I think they should have at least been allowed to buy new copies

instead of straight up being dq'd

[golden plover]

Yeah that's what they do sometimes at yugioh

One time a friend brought a German dark law, got told to pick up an English copy between games

He'd be down like $50 because 4 CoCos but it's better than a DQ over something he can't control

[last glen]

from what I understand Magic has a bigger curling problem than other TCGs
foils in other TCGs curl and sometimes badly
but not to the extent and frequency of Magic cards

[copper pecan]

that's correct

[golden plover]

Yup

[glad peak]

I mean, people have gotten banned over different print runs of sleeves of the same color

[golden plover]

Yeah, but this is an official printing of a regular card

[glad peak]

Also he definitely could’ve controlled not putting in the art he knew was going to curl

Iirc in the nexus of fate days you would go to the judge to tell them what cards were curling then get the go ahead to proxy

That’s what I did with my foil bolt too

[golden plover]

You can only do that for cards that don't have a non-foil printing

[hidden ermine]

Yeah, that art is basically non-available

[golden plover]

Well technically the judge can only issue the proxies in that event

[hidden ermine]

I mean he did technically break the rules, so I can't fault the judges

[golden plover]

He did, yeah

[hidden ermine]

But the cards shouldn't be unplayable out of the box

[golden plover]

That's correct

Both points are right

[hidden ermine]

Imagine if you couldnt play a ghost rare ... uh

Whats a good main deck ghost rare

I genuinely cant remember one lmao

[golden plover]

He should have used a different printing or something, but he also shouldn't have to not use an officially printed card

[hidden ermine]

Fuck it, imagine if you couldnt play a starlight blue

That'd be pretty shit

[glad peak]

But yeah it’s sort of like not being able to play extra deck cards in different color sleeves due to potential target random card from grave effects

[hidden ermine]

... wait thats a japanese one

Eh fuck it

[golden plover]

I guess I can see that for the extra deck cards at least, weird tho

Either way tho, this is being given a DQ for using an official product that's sold as legal out the gate

[glad peak]

If you can tell different cards from face down, then they shouldn’t be legal at all

[golden plover]

It's not a good look when they're struggling competitively as is

(There's less viewers than ever for competitive magic)

[glad peak]

Isn’t Dreamhack run by a third party?

[golden plover]

Aren't they officially sponsored tho?

[glad peak]

I don’t think wotc ran by their own staff in years

The third party still has final say

[golden plover]

True. I think most official MTG events are ran by a third party regardless

[glad peak]

They could’ve resolved this in a better way to be sure

But we can’t prove the player wasn’t trying to cheat

[copper pecan]

i mean we can't prove that he was either

[golden plover]

Yeah they can't, but there also shouldn't be any official magic cards that by putting them in your deck result in a judge saying you're cheating

[copper pecan]

yeah

like, if the cards are illegal out of the box they really shouldn't be printing them like that

[glad peak]

To some judges, just having a card that’s curled is indication you’re trying to cheat regardless of official or not

[golden plover]

He posted a picture of the foils too. It's not like they're really warped on the corners or anything

[glad peak]

A lot comes from individual judges too

[golden plover]

https://twitter.com/Mesa_47_/status/1594451414683897858

Micheal McClure (@Mesa_47_)

@Minh_Wins @fireshoes

Twitter · Nov 20, 2022, 10:03 PM

They don't strike me as anything other than warped, which is on WoTC

[glad peak]

It might be on wotc to print playable cards, but with playable alternatives, it’s on players to not bring cards that might be construed as cheating

but yeah i do agree the judge shouldve made a different call

[golden plover]

Yeah he shouldn't have brought them and the official call should be slide in proxies or pick up other copies, but it's wild to get a DQ for bringing official cards to an official event

[glad peak]

eh i guess you can technically call them damaged

even if they're printed that way

[golden plover]

True, but cards shouldn't be damaged out of the pack/lair

[glad peak]

my stance is mostly that quality shit happens, it's up to the players to use the most fair versions of whatever they have for a competition

[golden plover]

Yeah but it's a majority of modern foils tho

Like it's one thing if it's shit quality on a few products, but it's basically every foil

It's why there was the Nexus issue in the first place

[glad peak]

yep, it's shit quality control on foils, but why not just play nonfoils if you want to compete and leave the foiling to casual games/formats

competitive mtg is a subsection of a subsection of a subgroup as is

[golden plover]

I mean, that's kinda the only thing you can do now

[trail anvil]

this shit is actually my nightmare at any yugioh event, getting dq'd for pringles

[golden plover]

Yugioh policy is that you swap them for another copy

And usually yugioh foils aren't as bad

[trail anvil]

unless they're gold foil in my experience

PGL3 fuckin curled up on me like nothing I've ever seen

[glad peak]

more info about the event came out

the guy was definitely trying to mark his deck with the curled foils

[lusty trench]

Oh wow what came to light

[glad peak]

suspicious plays and the cards that were foiled and not foiled matching cards he wants to hit with coco vs cards he doesnt

[lusty trench]

Ah so he could tell if the Coco was good before he cast it

[glad peak]

no one in their right mind goes untap-upkeep>coco unless they know their top card is a good hit off coco

[lusty trench]

I mean I would but that's cause I'm an idiot not a pro player

[glad peak]

the latest pro tour champ also agrees he was cheating but aside from that the clip where he goes coco on upkeep is super sus

[lusty trench]

Can you explain to me why Coco upkeep is bad? Genuinely don't know

[glad peak]

coco on your upkeep?

you use up 4 mana on your turn before you draw your next card and go shields down for the next turn

coco on opponent's end step is the time where it makes the most sense

[lusty trench]

Ah I C

[glad peak]

unless he didn't want to draw the next card in his deck

[lusty trench]

So it was Sus cause he wanted the draw before using it

I get ya

[glad peak]

it was sus because the only time you would coco on upkeep is if you know what the top card(s) are

[lusty trench]

I C

[glad peak]

also coco on your upkeep means you can't attack with them

and notice how the angels he gets off coco are both foil

[lusty trench]

Ah

[glad peak]

And he had a brilliant backup plan of trying to stir up drama by saying they dq’d him for running a secret lair coco

[copper pecan]

oh well that makes the judge disqualifying him make way more sense

apparently the guy made a play that would only make sense if he knew what the top card of his library was, which was what prompted him getting disqualified

[golden plover]

Yeah, that definitely sounds more reasonable to get DQed for cheating

I guess he threw the random land foils and stuff in then to make the argument that he wasn't marking the cards?

[glad peak]

More importantly though I should’ve known something was off since having damaged cards only leads to a game loss, not a dq

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t trust that tweet, he could’ve very easily taken out a lot of the foil hits and put in the land and other cards to throw you off

[golden plover]

yeah that's true too

[glad peak]

The pathways also don’t curl so he could’ve added 4 of those to make that argument

[golden plover]

Could have thrown in a few foil lands so the tweet comes out more believable

Well they curl, but on both sides so it balances out lmao

Makes sense tho that he cheated

[glad peak]

So they don’t

[golden plover]

They curl, but it loops back around to being fine because they cancel out

[glad peak]

I solved curling foils, foil both sides

[golden plover]

Maybe that's the solution to the curling issue

yeah

I was gonna say the same thing

Just foil the back too, no more curling

[polar lake]

i think i found mystic mine in mtg

[glad peak]

But yeah it’s shitty of him to try and stir up drama for trying to cheat

[golden plover]

Yup that is shitty

Curling is definitely a valid issue and it's affected tournaments before

[glad peak]

You don’t need more than 3 lands ever to win

[golden plover]

But it's shitty to make it out to be THE issue when you really just cheated

[polar lake]

what if its commander

[glad peak]

Especially in commander

[golden plover]

Alternatively: