Magic the Gathering

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=discord

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[copper pecan]

i feel like [[overwhelming splendor]] is kinda like one sided mystic mine

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https://scryfall.com/card/hou/19/overwhelming-splendor?utm_source=discord

Overwhelming Splendor <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
Creatures enchanted player controls lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 1/1.
Enchanted player can't activate abilities that aren't mana abilities or loyalty abilities.

[copper pecan]

in that it's an absurd floodgate that makes you pretty much lose on the spot unless you have removal for it

[glad peak]

It is but it’s also a very meh card

[copper pecan]

true

[glad peak]

Magic can more easily balance things because of costs

[fallow citrus]

[[dress down]] too kinda

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/39/dress-down?utm_source=discord

Dress Down <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Flash
When Dress Down enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Creatures lose all abilities.
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Dress Down.

[glad peak]

Lurrus + dress down was fun

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dq5j5OLb4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKJYVN_yBIo

New mechanic: Prototype

cards that create Powerstone Tokens

Unearth returns

new Meld Pair

[hidden ermine]

... this is a custommagic type mechanic

[lusty trench]

Power and toughness has been merged into the word size now?

[lusty trench]

Oh wow I hate this

[lusty trench]

Card is cool

Titania seems good

[trail anvil]

I like all these cards, fleshgorger especially has a fantastic rate on its black side and scales well

[lusty trench]

Phyrexian fleshgorger is just boring imo, never a big fan of these creatures that are just stats and keywords

[trail anvil]

the ward makes it a pretty nice option for aggroing

[waxen timber]

Fleshgorger seems pretty cool with blink effects

[lusty trench]

I was about to say gorger plus saw in half or flicker

[trail anvil]

it's the qliphort mechanic lol

[hidden ermine]

Oh yeah it is

[waxen timber]

Titania, windgrace and the caperna sac lacs makes it so that aggro never has a chance

[hidden ermine]

But the way its presented is just

Ugh

Also Qlis have way better art

[lusty trench]

Wait I thought MTG doesn't like putting stat sticks at mythic

[glad peak]

Titania is meh

They haven’t done it in a while but they’re absolutely fine with it

[lusty trench]

I thought the reason they didnt like it is because they want unique concepts in the mythic slot and not just strong cards

Here comes the boiiiiii

six mana active ability

They really want us to use power stones huh

[trail anvil]

they might have done it cause of limited

this thing looks like a bomb no?

[glad peak]

Ward being that and also having both menace and lifelink

It’s absolutely a bomb

[trail anvil]

one that comes online early worst case scenario too

[glad peak]

Depending on the speed of the draft environment, the 3 mana variant is better

[lusty trench]

But what about second urza

[trail anvil]

time for grixis mishra/urza power couple

[lusty trench]

HES HERE EVERYONE STAY CALM

[trail anvil]

get some tainted indulgence in there for more power stones

holy shit

[glad peak]

[[tainted indulgence]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/227/tainted-indulgence?utm_source=discord

Tainted Indulgence <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Draw two cards. Then discard a card unless there are five or more mana values among cards in your graveyard.
Their toast to good health went immediately, horribly awry.

[glad peak]

Gix is meh

He’s probably one of the better end step ad naus decks which is going to be funny

[trail anvil]

it isn't once per attack

[glad peak]

I know

[trail anvil]

even though they have to connect I feel like that gets out of hand real quick

[glad peak]

It also triggers for other people on other people hitting your opponents

[trail anvil]

ye

[glad peak]

It’s also in mono black

[lusty trench]

Bruh what is this??

Top five???

[trail anvil]

jesus

[glad peak]

Drawing 1-3 is good enough and you’d rather have the extra colors

[trail anvil]

oh but it has to be the same type

[lusty trench]

Yeah but if you're just using cantrips to dig for stuff anyway

Chances are you're filled on instants and sorceries

[trail anvil]

either way yeah, a repeatable look at top 5 pick 0-3 is pretty fucking nuts potentially

it says your end step

[lusty trench]

Thank God it does tbh

I don't want my opponents getting card advantage while countering me

[trail anvil]

yeah but man we need some more control tools to keep up with all the midrange stuff in standard lmao

[twilit canyon]

they can with a lot of mana available

[trail anvil]

ig young mishra and urza are meant to go together

[twilit canyon]

yea they were brothers

lol

[trail anvil]

o lol

think this is worth running at all with graveyard trespasser in the meta?

[twilit canyon]

its a good flavor win as their cards continually deviate from gameplan

no

its a vulnerable 2 drop

probably fine in mono-black aggro to an extent

but there are more impactful 2 drops

[lusty trench]

Funny that the only commander out of the two that can run both of the younger ones is mishra

Wonder what mainset ashnod will do

Maybe sac creatures make powerstones?

[golden plover]

Popping in for a little bit because some of these reveals are cool. People are freaking out about new Teferi but he kinda seems bad tbh

Like sure, you can potentially get a lot of loyalty on him fast, but it's 4 mana to start and any format where you can draw like 12 cards in a turn, you can do way better things with 12 cards

I guess he's probably okay in Edh, but I can't see him doing much

Gix and Titania are cool, and prototype is a fun limited mechanic

Oh wait Teferi is 5 mana. Yeah he's not good

[trail anvil]

you'd need to draw a shit ton of cards to realistically get him to 12 loyalty

[golden plover]

I mean, realistically it's just a timetwister/windfall and you've got it

But any format where you can do it in 1 card also has better things to do

[trail anvil]

yeah that's not a great top end at 8 mana

[twilit canyon]

also the issue they print a ton of cards now that dont draw but provide card advantage like expressive iteration or memory deluge

drawing cards is surprisingly tame overall

[golden plover]

That too. He doesn't gain anything from impulse draw

[trail anvil]

I'd actually go so far as to say that I think this teferi is gonna be bad

[golden plover]

He's maybe okay in standard with raffine I guess, but isn't standard too fast for him?

[golden plover]

I think he's really bad, yeah

Maybe in super casual edh tables where a windfall kills a player, but he doesn't even hit their lands

[trail anvil]

you can get raw drawing power with kaito but you even see him less and less

at 3 mana

[twilit canyon]

no yea hes actually not good

5 mana draw 1 at the worst case

[golden plover]

I saw someone go "He's gonna get banned in modern because Goblin Lore" and wanted to know what planet they were on

[twilit canyon]

but unlike hero of dominaria he isnt a 3 mana walker in disguise

[golden plover]

Even the worst jaces draw you like 2 cards for 5 mana

[trail anvil]

okay you know that anyone who says something like that is just not worth listening to

[twilit canyon]

goblin lore lmaoooo

[trail anvil]

you shouldn't waste your time even retyping that because they just didn't say anything that actually means anything

[golden plover]

I just thought it was really funny

[hidden ermine]

Yeah as much as I dont tend to like Teferis

This one is harmless

[golden plover]

They live in 2008 modern where this card is legal

Yo maybe that's the secret

[trail anvil]

honestly apart from the WAR and DOM teferis, he's been pretty okay recently

[hidden ermine]

His + is mediocre as hell, his - is alright but not worth 5 mana and his ult, even if you build around it, is just a boardwipe

[golden plover]

If you play him in 2008 he's crazy

[glad peak]

Even in 2008 modern this card isn’t playable with goblin lore

[trail anvil]

the core set teferi was pretty balanced and the untap one was pretty balanced

[twilit canyon]

the big issue with goblin lore is it isnt playable

[golden plover]

Isn't 2008 full power boomer jund?

[glad peak]

Probably even less playable, 5 mana is a ton for 2008 modern

[golden plover]

Also yeah, Goblin Lore is an awful card

[hidden ermine]

Only part I dont like about this Teferi is that blue shouldn't get boardwipes at all but

🤷

[golden plover]

Blue got a BETTER board wipe for 4 last set

[glad peak]

Upheaval has been a blue staple

[hidden ermine]

Also Komi, if by untap you mean T5feri

That one was not balanced

[trail anvil]

no lmao I mentioned dom teferi earlier

[hidden ermine]

Ahhh

Wait what other one untapped

[trail anvil]

I mean the 4 mana untap/tap 1 artifact, land and creature

[twilit canyon]

4 mana

[golden plover]

Yeah all the good tefs cost 3 mana

[twilit canyon]

from midnight hunt

[trail anvil]

the fact that you can barely remember it says a lot

[hidden ermine]

Oh the innistrad one

[twilit canyon]

midnight hunt teferi sees fringe standard alchemy and historic play

[hidden ermine]

Lmao

[trail anvil]

it was okay with uh

the celestus

[hidden ermine]

I mean tbh

I'm not shocked they're overbalancing Teferis now

[twilit canyon]

bc it can untap janky artifacts like the 5 mana lotus or keh to the archive

[hidden ermine]

And I didnt like that too

[golden plover]

Hunt Teferi is weird to me. He's got so much text but I can't remember what he does at all

[trail anvil]

that card was really meh lmao

[hidden ermine]

Tbh they can start giving Teferi some power again

[twilit canyon]

+1 target creature land artifact

[golden plover]

The +1 draws and taps/untaps stuff I think

[trail anvil]

I can remember what he does, it's just he's pretty middle of the line

[glad peak]

Blue bounce wipes are a staple in magic

[trail anvil]

no draw

[twilit canyon]

tap if you dont own it or untap if you own it

[trail anvil]

you're thinking of dom teferi

[twilit canyon]

-2 look at top 4 add 1 rest on bottom

ult untaps all your shit every upkeep

[golden plover]

Ah, he's fine then

[trail anvil]

yeah I even ulted him once and I can barely remember that last bit lmao

[twilit canyon]

he gains 2 life off the +

iirc

[fallow citrus]

I love that the flavour text is literally "while you partied I studied the blade"

[glad peak]

Joke’s on you, I did both

[golden plover]

That flavor text and the rare Urza one are good

Since it talks about him as a prince, but he literally married her just to get some books

[fallow citrus]

Hurkyl is actually insane

[golden plover]

Is she? It's gotta be the same type as stuff you've played

[trail anvil]

ig you need to be running some kind of spellslinger deck to profit off hurkyl

so some phoenix-esque deck

[twilit canyon]

hurkyll is fine

[golden plover]

She's probably pretty solid but you'd wanna be doing "oops all instants" or something

[glad peak]

Wait hurkyl is a she?

[trail anvil]

nah I think you split even between sorceries and instants to get max profit

[twilit canyon]

nah cus u need her to get u more than a draw 1

yea

[trail anvil]

you think you run this in phoenix in historic/explorer?

[golden plover]

If she milled the rest, she'd be good in pioneer phoenix I think, but they go to the bottom

[twilit canyon]

cast instants sorceries and artifacts and enchantments

absolutely not

too slow

[trail anvil]

oof

if it said either turn you could play draw go with her

[golden plover]

Damn that'd be so much better

[fallow citrus]

ok I misread her

[golden plover]

Rare Mishra seems cool and maybe playable tho

He costs too much and I dunno what you use him in

But his unearth stuff is neat

[trail anvil]

honestly I'm just using him as a commander

[fallow citrus]

titania seems almost unusable in standard unless I'm completely missing something

[trail anvil]

get lots of mill going and have fun

[golden plover]

Titania is probably pretty okay in formats with fetches

[hidden ermine]

Thank god it does not

[glad peak]

Titania is pretty bad

[golden plover]

She's sorta shit on her own, but her flip side is wild

[glad peak]

The land though, it’s a decent mana dump

[trail anvil]

you're just turning fetches into 1 life gain, I don't think it's runnable

[glad peak]

The flip side i already forgot what it did

[fallow citrus]

with fetches she's a card

without fetches she literally doesn't exist

[trail anvil]

I think in standard with tri-fetches and mill she might be able to do something

[fallow citrus]

unless your gameplan in standard is like

cycle the triomes

[trail anvil]

gaining 3 life a turn and more on mills sounds really hard for aggro to deal with

[golden plover]

Wait prototype cards reanimate and flicker to their big side, yeah?

That's pretty neat actually

[trail anvil]

oh actually shit that might be a nice reanimator target yeah

[hidden ermine]

They do

[golden plover]

Yeah, they might be good reanimator targets then

[hidden ermine]

Still think the mechanic is too custommagic for my taste but

[glad peak]

Just flicker then

[golden plover]

It's weird, but I don't hate it

[glad peak]

It’s a tool for dnt, even though dnt bad

[golden plover]

Yeah, if you can flicker a 1 drop or something to get a 8/8 with good abilities, they might be solid

Hell, even unearthing the wurm is probably not bad

[trail anvil]

I just wanna use this early to help me reach where I want to then reanimate it later for a fuckin 7 life ward creature lol

unearthing it would be better if mishra wasn't 5 mana

[glad peak]

Honestly I like the 3 mana side a lot better

[trail anvil]

that ward is really strong though

[glad peak]

Efficiency over flare

[golden plover]

Having both options on the same card is nice

And it'll be cool in draft where you can take an off color one if the payoff of the big side is good enough

[trail anvil]

painlands for this set

idk if these were posted

[glad peak]

Pain peko

[twilit canyon]

the phyrexian wurm thing is def a better 3 drop than a 7 drop

[trail anvil]

hopefully getting these for sultai helps out the color combo, I still think it has a solid base

[glad peak]

It is but I keep hearing people say the 7 mana is too good

[golden plover]

I mean, the 7 drop is good if you can play it for cheap

If you can flicker it to the 7 side, it's not bad

[twilit canyon]

nah its like

for 7 mana i would rather do something else

but a 3 mana 3/3 menace lifelink ward pay 3 is gonna win u more games than u expect

[golden plover]

Yeah but if you can play it as a 3 drop to get the 7 version, It's pretty okay

[trail anvil]

7 mana is not something you would normally want to invest 7 mana into, but it's nice to have the option

[golden plover]

And having the option to do either on the same card is solid

[twilit canyon]

no need to get the 7 drop into play

[trail anvil]

also bringing it back for cheaper would be nice as well

[glad peak]

The 3 drop variant is much much better in draft

I keep hearing people say they want it for the 7 mana side

[golden plover]

Play it early game as a 3 drop threat, then when it dies reanimate it as the 7 drop

[twilit canyon]

lol think of it like having kicker

kicker 4

[golden plover]

You never wanna wait for the 7 side

[twilit canyon]

make it a 7 drop

[golden plover]

But if you can cheat out the 7 side, he's cool

And I'm sure there's probably gonna be a better card with the mechanic for reanimation/flicker stuff

[trail anvil]

I also keep hearing people think new teferi is broken but they forget which draw cards exist or matter in anything that could realistically break it

[golden plover]

But goblin lore

[trail anvil]

I think we're all gonna have wrong opinions of this set

[golden plover]

I also see people say [[Brainstorm]] with the tef

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https://scryfall.com/card/afc/79/brainstorm?utm_source=discord

Brainstorm <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw three cards, then put two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order.
The mizzium-sphere array drove her mind deep into the thought field, where only the rarest motes of genius may be plucked.

[glad peak]

But peer into the abyss

[golden plover]

Any format with brainstorm can do way cooler things

[glad peak]

Honestly I don’t care about how cool it is

[lusty trench]

I just don't like the teferi cause it's boring

[trail anvil]

I'm sure on day 1 we're gonna get tons of people posting screenshots of them doing some dumb ult combo with teferi

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

Like maybe if we had brainstorm in pioneer, but that's still 6 mana to make a mediocre board wipe

[glad peak]

Tef’s ability payoffs are just bad

[lusty trench]

His coolest ability for me is his -2 but... That's just a worse chasm skulker

[trail anvil]

well as misty said before we're missing solid card draw in order to actually abuse this dude tbh

[golden plover]

I think people are gonna hate tef in casual edh and he'll see no play in anything else

[trail anvil]

the best control draw card rotated out

[golden plover]

The formats that have the card draw do better things, and the ones that don't don't wanna try and keep him around to get a boardwipe

[lusty trench]

My next question is what the hell does this design space have to do with him going back in time?

[glad peak]

Everyone hates everything in casual edh

[trail anvil]

tbh will they even hate him in that? even there he sounds terrible

[golden plover]

He also lets them keep their best card

[golden plover]

You're forgetting that casual edh hates any interaction

[trail anvil]

the ult seems pretty "back in time" to me tbh

[golden plover]

Someone is gonna play him into a windfall and people are gonna complain on the subreddit

[lusty trench]

Yeah but its not him going back in time

It's everyone else

[golden plover]

Hes a 2 card 7 mana combo. That's scary when your deck doesn't have cards that interact

[lusty trench]

I would've made his ult like "set your life total to your starting life total, draw seven cards" and then something else

[golden plover]

Honestly he should have been timetwister or something

But that's not a really impressive ult either

[twilit canyon]

8 mana combo?

[golden plover]

Oh right, I keep thinking he costs 4

[twilit canyon]

wheels are at cheapest 3

[glad peak]

I remember playing one piece of interaction in casual edh and some in the table yelled at me for “playing stax”

[golden plover]

Well there's [[Wheel of Fortune]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/192/wheel-of-fortune?utm_source=discord

Wheel of Fortune <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws seven cards.

[golden plover]

Wait that's 3

What's the 2 mana red wheel that sucks

[trail anvil]

oh hey new teferi synergizes with his puzzle box

[golden plover]

There's also the 2 mana blue wheel that only wheels you

[twilit canyon]

uhh

unplayable

[golden plover]

It's really bad, yeah

[glad peak]

I don’t remember that one

[golden plover]

But yeah, that was me thinking he costs 4 mana again

If he was 4, he'd still be unplayable, but he's 5

[glad peak]

2 mana to discard your own hand and draw 7 is very good

If it exists

[lusty trench]

It's probably draw up to the amount you discarded or something

[golden plover]

Yeah it is

It's [[Tolarian Winds]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/105/tolarian-winds?utm_source=discord

Tolarian Winds <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards.
Why not ask the winds? —Tolarian expression meaning "Who knows?"

[glad peak]

Oh that thing

Nah that sucks

[trail anvil]

oof all the cards

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's not good

But hey, it's technically a wheel

Besides, we already have a walker for wheel combos

It's called WAR narset

[lusty trench]

Teferi got backlash and they over compensated for it, unfortunate

[trail anvil]

I mean he's only the premier control walker in how many formats lmao

[golden plover]

I definitely see people doing day 1 meme things like Ad Naus Tef tho

They're gonna be funny for the 3 days people think this card is fine

[trail anvil]

WAR tef was insanely toxic design too

[twilit canyon]

all of them except legacy and vintage yea

[golden plover]

Yeah WAR Tef is one of the best walkers in the game as a whole

[glad peak]

Ad naus doesn’t draw, just puts it into hand

[golden plover]

Oh fuck right, he doesn't count that either

[twilit canyon]

tbh theres more than a few arguments that t3feri is better in modern control

[glad peak]

Peer into abyss is what you’re looking for

[golden plover]

Yeah that works

And it's on arena so they can make clickbait videos and people will waste wildcards building the deck

[twilit canyon]

anyways yea a ton of broken cards cant synergize with new teferi and new teferi is not that impressive as a result of his abilities not doing great either

[trail anvil]

regardless of strength, his static is insanely cancerous. I have no idea what they were smoking when they put the anti-control static in control colors

[golden plover]

Yeah, his static is the entire issue with war tef

[trail anvil]

on top of a bounce ability that plusses you and an uptick that lets you board wipe at instant speed

[golden plover]

The rest of his effects are good, but the static is ridiculous

[twilit canyon]

t3f counters more than control

he counters combos a lot too

[golden plover]

It also stops flashing in creatures too, yeah?

[twilit canyon]

which is his biggest appeal in modern

[trail anvil]

yeah he just randomly hosed finale of promise too

[twilit canyon]

[[crashing footfalls]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/160/crashing-footfalls?utm_source=discord

Crashing Footfalls

Sorcery
Suspend 4— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Create two 4/4 green Rhino creature tokens with trample.

[twilit canyon]

[[violent outburst])

[golden plover]

Which isn't super relevant, but it does hit things

[twilit canyon]

[[violent outburst]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/arb/63/violent-outburst?utm_source=discord

Violent Outburst <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.)
Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.

[twilit canyon]

nah this one is extremely relevant

rhinos are a tier 1 modern deck

[lusty trench]

Looking at this set it's like they made a lot of things one mana too much

[golden plover]

Nah, I meant it stopping creature flash

Killing rhinos is big, yeah

[twilit canyon]

oh sure

[glad peak]

Eh I’m fine with it randomly beating cascade

[twilit canyon]

[[ice fang coatl]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/203/ice-fang-coatl?utm_source=discord

Ice-Fang Coatl <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Snow Creature — Snake
Flash
Flying
When Ice-Fang Coatl enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Ice-Fang Coatl has deathtouch as long as you control at least three other snow permanents.
1/1

[trail anvil]

I think the cards in this set are costed fine, we just have a lot of mythics that are costed at mythic levels

[golden plover]

Turns out grand abolisher on a walker is really strong

[trail anvil]

and rares I guess

[golden plover]

It also looks like a lot of stuff is costed based on the powerstone tokens

[twilit canyon]

its better than grand abolisher

[golden plover]

So there's probably a lot of ways to make them

[twilit canyon]

in historic they nerfed his static to be grand abolisher

[trail anvil]

not being able to counter stuff during your own turn was insanely relevant, cause then you couldn't force through stuff like tef 5

[twilit canyon]

cus t3feri as written is even stronger than abolisher

[golden plover]

Right, grand abolisher is your turns only

[trail anvil]

it also stopped nexus from comboing off

and other reclamation decks

[twilit canyon]

speaking of

that can get unbanned now in historic

[golden plover]

It's also better than grand abolisher in multiplayer formats too, since it's everyone's turns and not just yours

[twilit canyon]

ya

[golden plover]

Man what a fucked card

[trail anvil]

I still stand by reclamation being able to come off long ago when they banned uro

the format was fast enough to punish rec cause you actually have to live long enough to stick it, and you're building around rec

[golden plover]

Oh right I forgot to post this when they came in

Got my new decks yesterday

Rogarkh/Yoshimaru and Thrasios/Jeska Food Chain

[lusty trench]

Those card backs man

yoshimaru
I have decided you are based

[golden plover]

There's a t2 kill in the deck, so that's fun

Also just infinitely large dog with swords is funny

[glad peak]

Oh hey poggy roggy

[sudden lava]

interesting stuff here

Titania creates bears

[glad peak]

Bad card confirmed

[sudden lava]

well, her land does

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TwqNryI38

[languid quest]

not just tone deaf but also greedy

worst of all by saying "this product is not for you" while advertising it as 30th anniversary celebration they are telling 99% of community that they are not welcome to this supposed celebration

[golden plover]

Headed to commander night, time to see if I can pull off the meme tonight

It's not very likely, but when it happens it'll be fun

[languid quest]

I made some changes to my Chulane deck

counter spells had to go and but in 2 more creatures (Teeg and Thalia) as well two sorceries that fit deck's over all creature and ETB heavy strategy

[twilit canyon]

i have been brewing up and playing something truly sinister

at the cost of my ranked ladder points

[fallow citrus]

I love it

is there no bolt in historic though?

[twilit canyon]

nope and things are aggressive enough where i feel like i want helix here

the big thing we are lacking is tribal flames though

im not sold on djinn as a 4 of

[fallow citrus]

yeah no tribal flames is really sad

[golden plover]

How is my hand all counterspells in Boros

[clever sun]

Oh I like this

I'd max out Shadow Prophecy

Also I don't think Verse is the removal spell here

I like a one of Bind to Secrecy there

With the reasoning that Verse is already not very good against most tribal deck big hitters right now besides Elves (but Verse is too slow versus them anyways) so Merfolk and verse only clips one drops

Also I'm not crazy right? You can totally run Jegantha here

[twilit canyon]

no jeg was leftover from running double pipped cards

actually

hmm idk about binding

but yea verse has been mid

[fallow citrus]

ik I see a few zoo decks play dromoka's command now

might be worth trying that as a one of

[trail anvil]

massacre girl + luminous broodmoth is a fuckin busted combo

[twilit canyon]

im on 2 of them

dromokas command cleanly kills fable of the mirror breaker and eats red removal spells which are popular in this format

[fallow citrus]

o am I just blind

yeah I am lmfao

I have no idea what to suggest because of what historic doesn't have

[twilit canyon]

im thinking kolaghan's command is not bad

affinity is popular and having a maindeck artifact removal spell besides trophy being all purpose that can double up and pick up threats or remove something or make an opponent discard seems solid in historic rn

[fallow citrus]

yeah that doesn't seem bad if artifacts are poppin up a lot

[twilit canyon]

i fucking hate magic players on god

its absolutely unacceptable to be 10 minutes behind me

when im playing a new deck to myself that i have brewed for this format while im tuning this mana base

sir

please you are fucking dead

[lusty trench]

Damn a lot of people overrating this teferi

People have different glasses for reading teferi cards I swear

[twilit canyon]

always happens

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm convinced they didn't read the same card

Had a casual friend tell me it's gonna go -12 every other turn

If you've got that much draw, you can be doing so much better stuff

[sudden lava]

wait so it just shuffles back their board as an ultimate?

seems kind lame

[lusty trench]

Their board minus their best thing

[golden plover]

Yeah, they keep the best card

[sudden lava]

yeah that sucks

[lusty trench]

Maybe this ulti foreshadows something

Like maybe teferi brings something back with him unintentionally?

[golden plover]

Honestly you're probably better off caring about the spirit tokens

But they're like... Fine

It's just not where you wanna be for 5 mana

[sudden lava]

reveal more Jumpstart snow matters stuff

[golden plover]

We were trying to break the Teferi in the high powered pods tonight

Best we came up with was [[Yawgmoth's Bargain]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/147/yawgmoths-bargain?utm_source=discord

Yawgmoth's Bargain <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
Pay 1 life: Draw a card.
He craves only one commodity.

[golden plover]

But like... That's 11 mana

And only vintage legal

[copper pecan]

love the implication that people are drawing 7 cards every turn somehow

[lusty trench]

And if you're using bargain you're doing much better than a bad board break

[glad peak]

The best part of this teferi is his -2 ngl

Not his wipe

[golden plover]

If you're drawing 7 period, you're doing more

[copper pecan]

if that's a thing your deck is capable of doing then you have no reason to run teferi instead of doing some other thing

[golden plover]

Yeah, I agree with that

Getting the tokens is the best thing he does

[lusty trench]

And even those tokens are just worse toothys/chasm skulkers

[golden plover]

But the tokens aren't winning you the game unless you're drawing a ton and preventing interaction

Like sure, theoretically each token can become a control wincon alone, if unanswered

And if the opponent can't answer a few tokens and a 5 mana walker, they were losing long before Teferi came down

[glad peak]

If you get more than 1 token then you’re going to have an alive tef

[golden plover]

Yeah but that's a big if

[glad peak]

And 1 token is somewhat good enough as protection

[golden plover]

Theoretically you can make him bigger at instant speed with draw spells

[glad peak]

I’m not saying teferi is good but there’s a decent amount of potential there

[golden plover]

But I dunno, I think he's unplayable

[trail anvil]

honestly the more I think about it the more I think he could be decent, but most certainly not cause of ult

[golden plover]

Ask yourself if he's better than JtMS in any formats he's in

And then remember that JtMS isn't seeing play anywhere

[trail anvil]

more in the sense that if we do actually get a decent draw card for the 4 mana slot you can keep him alive pretty decently by boosting loyalty but idk

[sleek ferry]

Wait

New teferi is just a way better dog man

[glad peak]

I mean this guy’s also legal in pioneer

[trail anvil]

dog man didn't really see much play in his set tho

[lusty trench]

Dog man?

[trail anvil]

[[mordekainen]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/64/mordenkainen?utm_source=discord

Mordenkainen <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Mordenkainen
+2: Draw two cards, then put a card from your hand on the bottom of your library.
−2: Create a blue Dog Illusion creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to twice the number of cards in your hand."
−10: Exchange your hand and library, then shuffle. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 5

[sleek ferry]

I saw him in standard a decent amount

[golden plover]

I don't think anything in pioneer wants him

[glad peak]

Not yet that is

[golden plover]

I'm not super up to date on pioneer, but I can't think of anywhere he's seeing play

[glad peak]

He’s an actual win condition for UB control, a deck that’s in the fringes of playability

[golden plover]

And Teferi Who Slows the Sunset is seeing play rn in Pioneer

[glad peak]

He’s better than ashiok

[sleek ferry]

I like this teferi

[golden plover]

(In Devotion of all things)

[sleek ferry]

Also pretty sure this is probably the best teferi for commander

[golden plover]

Mono-Green runs Teferi because he says "untap target Nykthos"

[trail anvil]

ashiok is kinda weird cause their plus is the body generator so you're encouraged to do it

[golden plover]

Isn't M21 Teferi better?

[lusty trench]

M21 teferi can't ulti with doubling season akin effects, into the trash with it /s

[golden plover]

M21 Teferi is kinda good in commander

[golden plover]

Also what the fuck am I smoking... WAR Tef is legal in Edh

WAT Tef is the best Teferi in any format he's in

[lusty trench]

I prefer war teferi cause I can tell people to stay in their lane and let me do my thing

[golden plover]

I prefer war tef because it keeps Elsha safe

[glad peak]

M21 teferi is very playable in cedh

[golden plover]

Woops I forgot to play Elsha tonight. Won't know how Vexilus Praetor is in the deck

[glad peak]

So is war tef

[sleek ferry]

Cedh tourney already proved neither war Teferi nor m21 Teferi is the best

[lusty trench]

God damn I got minimum 5 more phyrexian praetors to pick up for my atraxa deck

[golden plover]

At one event with wack rules and no one playing proxies tho

[glad peak]

High tide teferi is outdated

[sleek ferry]

Wym wack rules? The rules were very real

[golden plover]

Consistently WAR Tef is seeing play in a TON of edh stuff

[glad peak]

Now that I think about it, what happened to the rule that you can use playtest cards

[lusty trench]

So err... Do you guys think gix wi be expensive cause I do need to pick one up

[golden plover]

The rules were real, but it was limited and also had some weird rules regarding points and some other stuff

[trail anvil]

WAR tef oversteps his bounds with this, it would be a lot more okay if it was like whatever that card was that didn't allow cards to be played on the controller's turn

[sleek ferry]

As far as I know, none of the top 4 had play test cards

So it was probably bad?

[golden plover]

They didn't allow proxies at the event

And it had an expensive buy in

[glad peak]

There’s a playtest card that I expected to be insane

[golden plover]

So it doesn't accurately represent cedh

[trail anvil]

not sure if it's gonna be amazing just yet, it looks real nice on paper but you do have to connect to profit off it

[lusty trench]

Wait

Gix into sheoldred...

Ewwww

[golden plover]

I think new Gix is solid in standard

[glad peak]

[[impatient iguana]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/55/impatient-iguana?utm_source=discord

Impatient Iguana <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard Wizard
If Impatient Iguana is in your opening hand and you're not the starting player, you may reveal it. If you do, you become the starting player.
Haste
2/1

[golden plover]

No clue if it'll be good elsewhere

[twilit canyon]

settling on this

this deck is pretty legit actually

[glad peak]

Randomly start with that, get a big advantage

[lusty trench]

Given edric, he's probably good in casual commander

[twilit canyon]

the core of domain 2 drop beaters and leyline binding is pretty strong

[trail anvil]

the most recent comparison is something like toski, but toski is indestructible

[copper pecan]

isn't the best teferi for commander the one that you can use as your commander

[glad peak]

Gix has access to necro, ad naus, and peer

[copper pecan]

oh i should have scrolled down further

[twilit canyon]

i was hesitant with drc but after adding kaito and scions i have found drc is fine

[golden plover]

Weird way to spell war tef

Also there's 2 tefs that can be your commander

The creature is good, the Planeswalker is fine

[lusty trench]

Ngl I'm tempted to put minsc and boo in my Ur dragon deck cause the advantage it gives is cracked

[golden plover]

Minsc and Boo is fucking nuts in general

Isn't that card seeing like legacy play

[lusty trench]

It is indeed

As it turns out

[glad peak]

I mean

[lusty trench]

4 mana draw 4 ping 4 is really good

[golden plover]

Turns out giving a planeswalker an etb is GOOD

[glad peak]

A random 4 mana swarmlord card is being played in legacy too

[golden plover]

Well a good etb

[lusty trench]

I'm seeing a lot of people at my lgs running elminster too

I have yet to see someone use the regular art of him

It's always the alt

[twilit canyon]

minsc and boo is actually the best legacy walker

not just cus 4 mana draw 4 ping 4 thats irrelevant

[golden plover]

It's the etb, yeah?

[twilit canyon]

its 4 mana make a 4/4 if you dont kill minsc himself you auto lost in 90% of games

your opponent on jeskai control would have to have massively fumbled in cards vs you to lose from there

he does for that deck what wandering emperor did basically

[golden plover]

Even if you answer minsc, they get a 1/1 token. And if you answer boo, he comes back next turn

Obviously a 1/1 hasty guy isn't huge, but he's gotta be doubly answered

[twilit canyon]

yea answering boo means nothing

you need to answer minsc

minsc will also + immediately for a 4/4 so boo is not gonna be a 1/1

[lusty trench]

Yeah was about to say

[twilit canyon]

unless u really need to ping a delver

or whatever

[lusty trench]

If minsc is able to etb, they get priority after boo is on field

[twilit canyon]

well

not quite

cus boo trigger does happen

but idt anything in legacy kills minsc that sees real play after he resolves

[golden plover]

Also isn't Minsc notable because he dodges [[Pyroblast]]? Tef definitely doesn't

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/142/pyroblast?utm_source=discord

Pyroblast <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose one —
• Counter target spell if it's blue.
• Destroy target permanent if it's blue.
Water can be crushing, but it is predictable. Fire is always dynamic, its rage absolute and all-consuming.

[golden plover]

Yeah, Tef is just dead to Pyroblast

[twilit canyon]

forget pyroblast

can you even cast him?

this is a wasteland format

[golden plover]

Probably not then

[twilit canyon]

the only deck that could reasonably want teferi is jeskai control

which as we established has moved to the wincon of splashing green for minsc

[golden plover]

Even in formats without wasteland, 5 is a BIG ask for something that doesn't immediately make you a lot of value

Tef is probably fine in a standard control deck I guess, but I can't see him being anywhere else

[twilit canyon]

yea correct

teferi doesnt give u removal

nah even in standard

esper doesnt want him

hes too clunky for the gameplan

for what? removal in a few turns?

very winmore type of card

cus if esper is drawing that many cards by that point the game was likely over anywas

[golden plover]

The tokens are the better payoff

[twilit canyon]

*anyways

[golden plover]

But even then, they're not great

[twilit canyon]

raffine is already killing the opponent

yea thats the issue the token doesnt matter much

it doesnt has evasion

so it cant actually put its power to use

[golden plover]

I guess if you make a token then wheel you get a big enough guy

[lusty trench]

All the hype around Xander only for it to die down once they realise hes just not great

[twilit canyon]

standard actually has creatures in play

the only way i see this token being enabled much is with raffine

but then at that point

[golden plover]

Speaking of wheels, had my whole combo in hand with Thrasios/Jeska tonight and got wheeled losing my Thoracle, Twinflame, dualcaster, and the rest of my pieces

[lusty trench]

Meanwhile raffine flew under the radar and directly into the opponent's dome

[twilit canyon]

why not just win with raffine

[golden plover]

Just went "Yeah gonna do Thrasios for 10 draws and pass" after that

Was looking for Hullbreaker

Food Chain stuff is fun

[twilit canyon]

huh how does food chain come in here

[golden plover]

There's other things we're using to make the mana, food chain just gives bonus mana to cycle between creatures

[twilit canyon]

i thought u were spending food chain mana on thrasios

nvm carry on

[golden plover]

Nah, I wish

Food Chain is unfortunately creatures only

[twilit canyon]

yea im well awaer

hence the confusion

[golden plover]

Yup. The food chain mana is just to cycle between creatures to keep doing combo things. The creatures are usually making the mana for Thrasios

I could probably optimize this better, but it's new and I'm trying to get the hang of it first

[twilit canyon]

yea this can be optimized

[golden plover]

I'm not sure where to start, since rn it's just good cards + food chain pieces. Rogarkh Yoshimaru was the main goal for the time, and imma update this while I work on new Mishra

[lusty trench]

Which mishra

Rare mythic uncommon or commander?

[golden plover]

Rogarkh Yoshimaru did pretty well. Really good at winning in like 4-5 turns, but it's very one trick

Commander

Grixis Mishra seems pretty cool to me

[twilit canyon]

well to start

thrasios jeska isnt a food chain deck

[lusty trench]

I just realised we got 4 of each of em, this is urzas 5th(7th if you include unsets) card

[twilit canyon]

so while yea food chain is neat

its not a card that is truly providing u value

[golden plover]

Yeah I figure food chain is an inevitable cut

[twilit canyon]

if you wanna run food chain

run my deck

[golden plover]

I was just using it as a placeholder for "get dorks that did what they had to off the board and extend the combo"

[glad peak]

The deck with the uwu primer

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OjY9mvS_eUqlNUqdSpfPTQ

[golden plover]

But you're right, I'll probably move food chain to a commander suited for it and use Thrasios/Jeska as more pure combo

[twilit canyon]

heres the primer itself

[golden plover]

I'll take a look in a bit

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CijmMyfzZ0SKZoDGEyLY2Q

heres my personal list

pay literally no mind to my sideboard

[glad peak]

Aw you didn’t post the owo primer

[golden plover]

I'm also playing Thrasios a bit too close to Elsha rn tbh

[twilit canyon]

its all cards i swap in and out

[golden plover]

That'll have to change too. But I'm doing a lot of top combo and drawing stuff

[twilit canyon]

thrasios/jeska is a bit jank

[golden plover]

I was thinking I'd eventually just switch to vial smasher

[twilit canyon]

not bad

just jank

[golden plover]

I just wanted to do something temur for now and figured hey they're both good commanders

[twilit canyon]

yea thras vial smasher is far stronger for example

[golden plover]

I'll probably find a better dedicated temur thing in the future and switch Thrasios to vial smasher

[twilit canyon]

dargo thrasios is also strong as hell

as well as thrasios roger

[golden plover]

I just wanted to grab two decks at once and threw together a Thrasios/Jeska list relatively quickly

[twilit canyon]

dargo thras can let you neoform into tidesprout tyrant or hullbreaker behemoth depending on what u need

[golden plover]

But it'll probably split into a few different decks, yeah

[twilit canyon]

thrasios roger can do the same but with polymorph

[glad peak]

Poggy roggy + Malcolm

[golden plover]

Since while the deck is fun, it definitely feels like I'm playing Elsha with destiny spinner

Really enjoying Rogarkh Yoshimaru tho

It feels like a pretty solid Voltron deck, and I didn't get the combo off at all tonight

[twilit canyon]

and further refined

[glad peak]

I like poggy roggy Malcom but tana gives you green

[twilit canyon]

i think this is the build

i already ran an mtga league with the previous build to 4-1

[golden plover]

We had a new guy playing his friend's Edgar deck in one of the high powered games tonight

Was funny when he went "what the fuck" when I played both commanders t1

[glad peak]

Isn’t it 1 mana

[golden plover]

But t1 Yoshimaru is just a 2/2 and Rogarkh isn't doing anything until t3

Yeah, they're a grand total of 1 mana

I won against a guy on Rogarkh/Ardenn the next game. That was fun

Sunforger into [[Angel's Grace]] is solid

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/4/angels-grace?utm_source=discord

Angel's Grace <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
You can't lose the game this turn and your opponents can't win the game this turn. Until end of turn, damage that would reduce your life total to less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.

[golden plover]

(Also stops Thoracle)

[atomic harness]

fun fun

[languid quest]

I am thinking should I keep Sower of Discord in Kaalia as only rason why I included it is because it seemed to work well with Master of Cruelties but I am not that sure anymore

that said one of replacements that I have in mind would be 7th 3 same colour costing creature

[lusty trench]

Picked my secret lair: Saturday morning dnd foil

[sleek ferry]

the one thing I really hate about the arena system is

why the fuck can i still pull a rare/mythic i already have 4 of

why isn't that just automatically a wildcard/roll into a different rare i don't have

[golden plover]

Oh nevermind

(There was a cardconjurer logo obscured in the corner)

[sleek ferry]

Mono red just got a nice buff

[golden plover]

Oh shit swiftspear in standard

[[Obstolate Baloth]] is also confirmed to be in the set then

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https://scryfall.com/card/ima/179/obstinate-baloth?utm_source=discord

Obstinate Baloth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
When Obstinate Baloth enters the battlefield, you gain 4 life.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Obstinate Baloth, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
4/4

[golden plover]

But I dunno how good this is now

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

the queen is here

[twilit canyon]

self serving pin

[golden plover]

Oh and [[Blast Zone]] is back too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/244/blast-zone?utm_source=discord

Blast Zone

Land
Blast Zone enters the battlefield with a charge counter on it.
: Add .
, : Put X charge counters on Blast Zone.
, , Sacrifice Blast Zone: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on Blast Zone.

[fallow citrus]

mono red eating good

[twilit canyon]

idc about blast zone

feldon is neat tho i like him

[sleek ferry]

I like Feldon

[trail anvil]

fuck yeah it's mono red time

getting swiftspear for explorer sounds big too

[fallow citrus]

swifty t1 feldy t2 👀

[lusty trench]

Managed to buy the arcane secret lair too as a gift for my sister

I love mythical archives, I want to open cool rares and mythics I otherwise wouldn't that are generally relevant to the formats I play

[fallow citrus]

I wonder how much stuff will be printed to be able to play a prowess list in standard

[trail anvil]

I mean we already have an izzet spellslinger deck so it should slot right in

[twilit canyon]

without expressive iteration or soul-scar mage? no way

[languid quest]

I just learned about fringe tribal highlander and it seems rather fun

[sudden lava]

Ooh a new(?) bear for mono red

sadly doesnt look like a good commander

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Chromatic-Lantern1.jpg

for your multi color decks, a reprinted lantern

[languid quest]

if Chromatic Lantern was 1 mana cheaper I could see it being staple

[trail anvil]

that's just way objectively better arcane signet

[golden plover]

Lantern sees play in some decks

It's not amazing, but when you need fixing

[lusty trench]

I'd happily put chrome lantern in every 5 colour deck I make

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

[golden plover]

YOOOO

This is sick, I kinda love it

It's probably not particularly good in most things, but it's cool af

[lusty trench]

Why is this a mythic

[twilit canyon]

3 mana lord + removal

[golden plover]

I guess "mythics should be interesting, not strong"

Also, note you can use it over and over

[lusty trench]

Nah that's what I'm saying

I don't find this interesting

[golden plover]

It's not a single o-ring

[twilit canyon]

no

its only once

[golden plover]

Oh I didn't read the last line

Brain filled in "activate only as a sorcery"

[twilit canyon]

the notable part of this is that its a 3 mana lord that eats a thing on an enchantment

[golden plover]

Damn, makes it way less interesting then

[twilit canyon]

in a world without farewell this would be broken

[golden plover]

It's still probably pretty solid, especially depending on how many powerstone generators there are

[lusty trench]

I can't think of any time I'd run this over always watching except in tokens but if it does stuff in standard that's cool ig

I guess it's just at mythic for the limited environment

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

Its insane in limited

[twilit canyon]

[[always watching]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/7/always-watching?utm_source=discord

Always Watching <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Nontoken creatures you control get +1/+1 and have vigilance.
"We pray to Avacyn on high. On snow-white wings fearless you fly. Keep safe our souls. Keep safe our lives. May angels watch us from the skies." —Children's prayer

[twilit canyon]

?

this card is kinda dogass

[golden plover]

Isn't this just straight up worse than [[Glorious Anthem]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/21/glorious-anthem?utm_source=discord

Glorious Anthem <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
The songs of angels are perceived not as words in the ears but as stirrings in the soul.

[twilit canyon]

it gives vigilance

[golden plover]

Sure you get vigilance, but anthem is the same rate and hits everything

[twilit canyon]

but vigilance is kind of a useless keyword for a lot of white decks

case in point

[golden plover]

Anthems are usually used in go-wide stuff anyways

[twilit canyon]

[[annointed peacekeeper]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/2/anointed-peacekeeper?utm_source=discord

Anointed Peacekeeper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Vigilance
As Anointed Peacekeeper enters the battlefield, look at an opponent's hand, then choose any card name.
Spells your opponents cast with the chosen name cost more to cast.
Activated abilities of sources with the chosen name cost more to activate unless they're mana abilities.
3/3

[golden plover]

And usually go-wide makes tokens

[twilit canyon]

or [[adeline cathar]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mid/1/adeline-resplendent-cathar?utm_source=discord

Adeline, Resplendent Cathar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Vigilance
Adeline, Resplendent Cathar's power is equal to the number of creatures you control.
Whenever you attack, for each opponent, create a 1/1 white Human creature token that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control.
*/4

[twilit canyon]

if you want a 3 mana enchantment lord you want it to be able to lord tokens

[lusty trench]

Eh that's fair, I just don't think the new enchantment is good

[twilit canyon]

its very strong

it can remove tokens permanently

[lusty trench]

I mean just the one and only once for 6 mana but yes

[twilit canyon]

role compression is huge

its why wandering emperor is insane

[lusty trench]

Oh so because this is an anthem while also having this effect that's why it's good?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[lusty trench]

I see

[twilit canyon]

anthem + removal

[fallow citrus]

especially cause you can just slot this into aggro and late game your dudes still cost the same so having something to dump mana into is pog

[twilit canyon]

you dont need to run an anthem and a removal spell

this does both

granted i dont think this card is the best

but it is good

[lusty trench]

I've just read the new artifacts for the precons

These don't look great

[fallow citrus]

what new artifacts

[lusty trench]

Scavanged brawler is probably the best one there cause it's keyword soup

[golden plover]

I don't think the card is insane, but it's cool

And depending on how many powerstones are out there, solid

[lusty trench]

Thopter shop would've been cool... In mishra

[golden plover]

Thopter workshop should have been 1 more and not once per turn

[sudden lava]

sorry but you reminded me of this old fun card

[sleek ferry]

I want to be able to do 3 damage to any target while only spending 1 mana, any idea how I can do this?

[lusty trench]

The old boi

[twilit canyon]

[[lightning bolt]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/117/lightning-bolt?utm_source=discord

Lightning Bolt <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to any target.
The sparkmage shrieked, calling on the rage of the storms of his youth. To his surprise, the sky responded with a fierce energy he'd never thought to see again.

[sleek ferry]

Give me a 1 mana lightning bolt that kills sheoldred

[lusty trench]

I got you

[sleek ferry]

This is honestly what we needed in standard pre brothers war tbh

Gets rid of all the annoying shit; sheoldred, elspeth, jodah

I’m mainly just salty that jodah decks be gaming me before I realize it’s a jodah deck

[lusty trench]

Speaking of which that reminds me

I need to get a jodah for Ur dragon

[sleek ferry]

Do you like ur dragon’s gameplay? It’s kinda boring compared to modern 5c commanders imo

Like Codie

[lusty trench]

I like being able to drop a goldspan turn 4 and the immediately following it up next turn of gnawbone

[twilit canyon]

theres no 1 mana removal in standard that eats sheoldred

[sleek ferry]

Eaten alive technically

[golden plover]

If these weren't tapped, this would be kinda nuts

But it's sorta shit instead

[twilit canyon]

target yourself after a board wipe or eating treasures

[lusty trench]

Yeah this actually seems nutty

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's pretty solid there

I just wish it wasn't tapped

[twilit canyon]

do you want another dockside?

[lusty trench]

This is just dockside 0.5

[golden plover]

I mean, I don't tbh. It is more reactive tho, so that's cool

[sleek ferry]

Idk if I would play this in anvil tbh, but I did experiment with Karn and he does snowball into an actual good card once you have enough artifacts on board (talking standard of course)

[golden plover]

This is commander only

[sleek ferry]

Man these set symbols look too alike

[lusty trench]

the Timmy in me loves this card

This seems... Fine?

[sleek ferry]

Did you play that midweek magic Timmy combo deck like 2 weeks ago?

It made me want to be a full time Timmy

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/d6gpc0n0imw91.png?auto=webp&s=7a3d75cea80ebb71ead9d4efe8725bd2442d2ee5

Yo they powercrept the mirror

[lusty trench]

Mirror?

Also isn't this worse phyrexian metamorph?

[golden plover]

[[Cursed Mirror]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c21/50/cursed-mirror?utm_source=discord

Cursed Mirror <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
: Add .
As Cursed Mirror enters the battlefield, you may have it become a copy of any creature on the battlefield until end of turn, except it has haste.

[golden plover]

It stays a dork tho

[lusty trench]

"oh wow this seems cool- DRAKE, okay but at least it puts the artifact on the battlefie- TO HAND okay then never mind."

Feels super overcosted

[golden plover]

Nah this feels pretty solid

Compare to [[Toxic Deluge]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cc2/6/toxic-deluge?utm_source=discord

Toxic Deluge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, pay X life.
All creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
"I am greater than rain and nourishment. I am glistening oil and perfection." —Yawgmoth

[golden plover]

Well I guess it's more expensive, but it's more versatile

[lusty trench]

It feels so much worse than toxic deluge though

[golden plover]

It is, but if you're artifact heavy or whatever, you can do a pretty good impression

[lusty trench]

That all the spoilers for today?

[golden plover]

Probably

[golden plover]

Lmao they're just owning up to it

[lusty trench]

...ew

[clever sun]

Swiftspear is back

[golden plover]

Lmao "as far as we know"
https://mobile.twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1586161789422559232

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

As far as we know, this is the only card from The Brothers' War that has this difference. If there are any other updates, we'll follow up here and on Daily MTG.

Twitter · Oct 29, 2022, 1:03 AM

Bro y'all made the game

[lusty trench]

100% it's an error they're sweeping under the rug

[golden plover]

Oh 100%

It's just funny they're pretending it's not

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1035733393717080104/IMG_1323.webp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1035739416947339324/gixscommand.jpg

[golden plover]

Man that blue command is ass

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1035739417320640572/kaylascommand.jpg

[golden plover]

Obviously it's a command so it's probably better than it looks, but it looks like it sucks

Gix's command is cool

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1035739417865891850/mishrascommand.jpg

these commands are really awful ngl

[golden plover]

Mishra's command is probably good

X in a command means it's really versatile

But it's also pretty underwhelming

[twilit canyon]

extremely inefficient however and they are sorceries besides urzas

[golden plover]

Oh right they are

[twilit canyon]

which is the biggest issue

[hidden ermine]

The black one is the closest to playable

[golden plover]

Yeah they suck

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1035739416649539656/thornofamethystp.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1035739416444022784/mesmericorbp.jpg

[hidden ermine]

I'm not sure if its close enough to be playable

[golden plover]

Yeah Gix's is probably fine

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1035742728069337109/unknown.png

[golden plover]

The rest are ass

[twilit canyon]

if this set is like strixhaven where the archive cards come to historic

this set will be insanely influential

[fallow citrus]

march of progress sounds like a funny card in brudiclad

[zinc shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/yfp5cn/tableflip_for_those_times_when_your_opponent_is_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

The amount of salt in these comments is insane

[lusty trench]

welp the lists for the commander decks are out

they're doodoo

[golden plover]

They've got some okay reprints, and the novelty of old frame is nice

But yeah, they don't have much of a gameplan

[copper pecan]

i wish they didn't use the old frame

[lusty trench]

Wreck hunter is the best card in there

[golden plover]

The Mishra one is like $150 so that's cool

[lusty trench]

Where are you seeing price lists?

[golden plover]

I was just pricing the value cards

[glad peak]

Mtggoldfish will have price lists soon if not already

[golden plover]

Yeah, that too

Also, value for cards like old border [[Teshar]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Teshar”, can you be more specific?

[golden plover]

[[Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/105/teshar-ancestors-apostle?utm_source=discord

Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Bird Cleric
Flying
Whenever you cast a historic spell, return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
"The Ancestor saved us for a purpose."
2/2

[golden plover]

He's not expensive on his own, but people who like old border cedh decks might want him

[lusty trench]

RAMOS REPRINT LETS GO

Just saw the alt arts for the pain lands, they're ugly bruh, they're so dull

[fallow citrus]

have full art ones been revealed?

[lusty trench]

I do not like these at all, but I hope someone does

[fallow citrus]

they're neat

they have the vibe of the old border ones

[lusty trench]

If they had the old text frames I'd probably like them

[fallow citrus]

river forge and wastes looks nice

the brushland is probably the worst one

[glad peak]

Can’t wait to come here after going 0-2

[glad peak]

Huh interesting

I wonder if that means teferi doesn’t have a corporeal self when he’s in the past

Or if it means he’ll possess a child version of himself (which I think was when urza was old?)

[lusty trench]

Judging by his planeswalker card, I think he'll just be in spirit form

He only needs to observe, so that'd work better

[fallow citrus]

the stories make it sounds like he's just a spirit

[golden plover]

Yeah the story says he's just a spirit in the past

[glad peak]

Nice

Now keep him there to die

[golden plover]

Oh that's the instant version of the world champion card

This is really weird

[twilit canyon]

jesus

[glad peak]

I remember there was a custom card that people were ragging on that was basically this without the tax

I can very easily see this in mono blue too

[golden plover]

It's been primarily white so far

[[Elite Spellbinder]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/17/elite-spellbinder?utm_source=discord

Elite Spellbinder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Flying
When Elite Spellbinder enters the battlefield, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast this way costs more to cast.
Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa, World Champion XXVI
3/1

[golden plover]

There's also [[Release to the Wind]] that's literally that in mono blue

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https://scryfall.com/card/rix/46/release-to-the-wind?utm_source=discord

Release to the Wind <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"Here and gone like a fleeting breeze."

[glad peak]

I know, but exiling from board then making it cost more is almost identical to bouncing something and making cards with that name countered unless they pay 2 more

That was the criticism with that one custom card

And now we’re here

[sudden lava]

changelings

[golden plover]

Yes changelings do in fact interact with cards that care about types

[glad peak]

Not that most changelings do anything

And before you suggest the artifact thing

Now you’re adding a bad card to try and justify another bad card

[golden plover]

What artifact thing

[glad peak]

There are 2 I think that changes your creatures into changelings

There are 2 enchantments too I think

[golden plover]

Also the only interactions I can think of that really matter are [[Gemrazer]] or maybe [[Kark Clan Ironworks]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/155/gemrazer?utm_source=discord

Gemrazer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
Mutate (If you cast this spell for its mutate cost, put it over or under target non-Human creature you own. They mutate into the creature on top plus all abilities from under it.)
Reach, trample
Whenever this creature mutates, destroy target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/134/krark-clan-ironworks?utm_source=discord

Krark-Clan Ironworks <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Sacrifice an artifact: Add .
All the junk, refuse, and offal of the Krark Clan is diligently collected, melted down, and made into more junk, refuse, and offal.

[golden plover]

But there's better options for ironworks combos

[glad peak]

I don’t see what gemrazer brings to it

Aside from the free copy

[golden plover]

You can mutate it onto something and copy it a bunch of times to get some "free" boardwipes

People have done similar things prior, they're always wildly unimpressive

[glad peak]

You only get 1 copy, don’t you?

[golden plover]

Yeah, but I guess you'd theoretically build around making other copies

[glad peak]

You mutate and tawnos triggers to get a gemrazer copy that’s not mutated

[golden plover]

So yeah, there's really not much out there that makes this super strong

I guess you can pretend it's 2015 commander and make a copy of [[Thragtusk]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/316/thragtusk?utm_source=discord

Thragtusk <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
When Thragtusk enters the battlefield, you gain 5 life.
When Thragtusk leaves the battlefield, create a 3/3 green Beast creature token.
"Always carry two spears." —Mokgar, Kalonian hunter
5/3

[golden plover]

Oh wait you get doubled etb on craterhoof

That's... Okay I guess

[glad peak]

It cuts down the needed amount to kill by quite a bit but probably not enough to justify playing this, right?

[golden plover]

Yeah, definitely not

How are you gonna make the large amount of bodies to fully utilize him

[golden plover]

Oh the stone brain can hit basics

You can cut someone off their splash with it. Huh

That's probably playable then

[fallow citrus]

it could be a cool sideboard option for some decks if it's needed

[glad peak]

Karn Vs Karn mirror breaker

Also Karn loops

If you have enough mana

Same logic as the kitten Karn loop but wins the game without forcing you to run spellbomb

[lusty trench]

Ayyy aetherflux reprint

[trail anvil]

wait is this not busted vs a monocolor deck

ig vs a number of them, 3 lands is enough but still

[sudden lava]

these protype cards are weird

[glad peak]

You can only exile 4 basics at a time if that’s what you really want to do

[golden plover]

Yeah. But that's usually enough to cut out a splash

[glad peak]

I’m referring to the question asking if it’s broken Vs a mono color deck

[sudden lava]

could use it to let someone draw 4

[glad peak]

Ah yes let me unstuck their hand

[sudden lava]

politics mudkip, politics

[glad peak]

In a 1v1 game?

[sudden lava]

commander

[glad peak]

Oh the format that’s bad

Anyways getting away from shitposting, letting them draw 4 even with prospects of future winning is not good

[golden plover]

If you can prevent them from winning, giving them a draw 4 doesn't matter

[glad peak]

if that's the case, there's no reason to do that play in commander, where the only way to let them draw 4 is to get rid of 4 basics in their hand

it's not a political/edh card, that's all there is to it

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, there's no reason to play this in commander at all

But it's probably solid in regular formats as a sideboard option

[glad peak]

it's pretty good in pioneer with karn

[golden plover]

Stuff like mono-red prison getting the ability to cut you off of a splash, or karn in pioneer

It's also versatile enough that it can pick off devotion pieces

[glad peak]

it's also very good in devotion

[golden plover]

If you reach it before Nykthos, they lose

Oh yeah, it breaks the mirror in devotion

[glad peak]

the mirror is going to be very odd

[golden plover]

It seems like it's gonna be incredibly useful in 60 card formats

And terrible in commander, which is no biggie

[glad peak]

looping it with karn is going to be a fun dream play

[golden plover]

Definitely. Not super practical, but if you can pick off their stuff, you win

Oh shit, it gives devotion an out to phoenix

[glad peak]

it's fairly practical

[golden plover]

Yeah, this is a pioneer all star

Having the ability to make the Phoenix player concede on t3 is awesome

[glad peak]

you're always going to have 1 or more in karnboards