now I at least have the source
#Fighting Game Chat
worthy crystal
Skug is like
Both more and less obscene
The damage is lower but everyone’s frame data is super fucked up because characters are designed to be able to work solo
And there’s basically no assist cooldown
faint ice
I have heard horror stories of the zoner
worthy crystal
So it’s an extremely hectic game but it lasts a long time
Peacock has been neutered relatively
Still extremely strong but not top 2 anymore
Fortune is the actual horror game character
And remains to be
gaunt cloud
Is that that one game where there's a guy with glasses with a broken kick super?
balmy parrot
oh actually this fighting game is based off of the VN
vivid furnace
The damage is lower but everyone’s frame data is super fucked up because charact...
solo big band 
one day ill learn skullgirls because i really do like the idea of playing big band and/or beowulf
ALSO the buttons for the hitbox came in :))))
technically i could build it rn but i only have cardboard boxes for enclosures
vivid furnace
you cant look me dead in the eyes and tell me crossplay with switch 2 players is a good idea
shrewd furnace
If you complain about different key layouts you a scrub 
shrewd furnace
The new 2xko update seems interesting, I wonder how people will play
paper notch
X
worthy crystal
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https://x.com/FATALFURY_PR/status/1907833707941212...
Who
This cannot be serious lol
late frost
I think he's the musician who did some/all of CotW's music
worthy crystal
Was this his compensation
Pretty terrible inclusion regardless
Ronaldo was a bad inclusion but funny this is just a 
gaunt cloud
CotW is just dongdong never die now, funny
austere garnet
Ronaldo was a good inclusion this isn’t 👎
gaunt cloud
So digging into it
gaunt cloud
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https://x.com/FATALFURY_PR/status/1907833707941212...
Apparently he got in because of his ties with saudi arabia?
worthy crystal
Surprising nobody
marble gate
lunar depot
worthy crystal
Wow people are actually doing some crazy discourse about the new cotw character 
vivid furnace
got the enclosure in today :)
i dont think im gonna have the time or energy to build it this weekend tho, helping parents move
sooooooo i'll just build it on thursday cos im taking the day off to be One Year Older
shrewd furnace
Totally intended, just a bad wavedash
worthy crystal
Man they weren’t lying when they said this patch made the game faster 
vivid furnace
i have to order ink for my printer so i can print the button template 
im just getting the dirt cheap stuff, the expensive stuff is a scam
mellow palm
Genuine question
But how do I play against characters with extremely ignorant damage in strive
Like if I’m playing Bridget how do I play against pot or slayer
shrewd furnace
Zone them out then die lol
faint ice
this patch pot I can't even think of an answer
slayer is doable but you have to play a lot better
worthy crystal
With slayer you just kinda have to hit him with 2d and then don’t let go
Character does in fact have like the worst defensive options in the game
shrewd furnace
Just play another ignorant character
worn rivet
But how do I play against characters with extremely ignorant damage in strive
How's your defense game
The right answer is prob zone em out until you get a nice counter hit or hkd
worn rivet
this patch pot I can't even think of an answer
Pot is just impossible (source: anji player)
I just wanna have a talk with the one brilliant arcsys dev that decided it'd be a good idea to give pot buster hit armor
It was anji's whole mechanic in +r but noooo lets just give him this wack spin and make the grappler uninteractable
austere garnet
Nooooo it says final
I know this was expected but I like other people was coping with the three trailer thing
marble gate
https://x.com/Evo/status/1909731707256726007
austere garnet
I really hope it’s geese🙏 🙏 🙏
worn rivet
i don't think geese has a chance
especially when they haven't even put the whole original cast into the game
i hope it's hokutomaru
but
it's gonna be verstappen
austere garnet
it's gonna be verstappen
Why
worn rivet
saudi prince
austere garnet
Oh
That would receive a ton of backlash and that’s very tragic
Well the backlash is deserved but I wanna see fatal fury do well
vivid furnace
a little bit beansed, but nothing duct tape can't fix
especially for a first attempt with a shitty lowes hole saw bit with my 'workbench' being my bed just covered in towels to minimize sawdust
gonna sand her and then thursday i'll actually build the damn thing
worthy crystal
https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-f1-formule-1-gif-15087359750872636720
Do the oil princes like him
worn rivet
think so yeah
worn rivet
It’s just the actual oil princes
i'm between that, verstappen or the rizzler
pearl burrow
X
faint ice
a little bit beansed, but nothing duct tape can't fix
Oh wood over plastic? V cool. I assume it's fairly light?
cosmic forge
Apparently T8 is a kusoge now
cosmic forge
Geese will win 🙏
Hasn’t Geese been dead for literally like two decades in-universe
wicked quarry
Nightmare Geese
vivid furnace
Oh wood over plastic? V cool. I assume it's fairly light?
yea, but i plan on weighing it down a tad
vapid lake
https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-f1-formule-1-gif-15087359750872636720
If Max Verstappen joins, I think I'm obligated to main him
vivid furnace
kimi could be a goated pick tbh
?
vivid furnace
worn rivet
2 hours until disaster
late frost
balmy parrot
DUDE.
worn rivet
DUDE.
i'm sorry i was just not optimistic at all for this
fuckin salvatore ganacci got in i had no hope
worn rivet
HE HAS A TERRIBLE HAIRCUT BUT IT'S HIM
duct tape man invincible style
worthy crystal
https://youtu.be/K-J9aay2cSQ
Hating on 421 sigh
Truly the most misunderstood of all
worn rivet
No freeman
prob gonna be dlc
austere garnet
So peak
shrewd furnace
I still remember pentagram input
vivid furnace
that was soulcalibur, right?
like one of ivy's command grabs or some shit, i remember watching a video on some guy hitting weird inputs
shrewd furnace
that was soulcalibur, right?
Nope it was a magical girl kusoge, I think the same one with like a 10 button string to do an input
Or was it the one where one of the supers made you play a 2D fps
One of the two
gaunt cloud
Aint the latter just brazblue?
shrewd furnace
if you think blazblue is kusoge you ain't see nothing yet
cosmic forge
Nope it was a magical girl kusoge, I think the same one with like a 10 button st...
Arcana Hearts
gaunt cloud
if you think blazblue is kusoge you ain't see nothing yet
I meant the rps move
gaunt cloud
No it was like
A little girl's jab
Whose only purpose of the rps is so that if it clashes with itself who won the rps gets invul
worthy crystal
Whose only purpose of the rps is so that if it clashes with itself who won the r...
Oh that’s plat
It’s not invuln it’s just hitbox priority that only applies to the other 2
And I believe it was implemented not in the game she came out in
vivid furnace
i think thats enough stickers, yeah?
im not doing the rest of the case bc i like the contrast between the stickers and the wood
marble gate
The spidey's cool too
marble gate
Ohhhh
vivid furnace
the flareon and spidey are both ultra sprite
vivid furnace
i didnt really like those ones 
gaunt cloud
Shoutouts to the best one tho
vivid furnace
gotta redact his government name
cosmic forge
I feel like you should laminate it somehow
Otherwise the minute one of those stickers starts to peel it’ll be awful
vivid furnace
im planning on clearcoating it tomorrow, yeah
vivid furnace
and its all wired!
works perfectly, just need to adjust to the new layout
forgor to buy a daisy chain ground wire buuut whatever
faint ice
cable management
vivid furnace
and i color coordinated the power cables, too (with the exception of start/select)
late frost
late frost
You ready for the drive rushing elephant
austere garnet
Sf6 dlc release dates are the worst 😭
austere garnet
X
worthy crystal
https://youtu.be/z6Zcqx3WDNE
They made her put pants on…
worn rivet
forget the pants look at her bangs
faint ice
You know what, hibiki to seth, it does make sense
balmy parrot
I've noticed I have a type
Hibiki, Seth, Yosuke (P4U2)
I like rushdown characters dual-wielding blades that also happen to be twinks
small furnace
tracks
worthy crystal
Two types of gay people
balmy parrot
me (correct) and you (filthy degenerate)
worthy crystal
🪞
balmy parrot
third strike parry sfx
worthy crystal
I actually like a diverse, cool roster of characters across every game
It’s only 33% white women (they shouldn’t give the white women such cool mechanics)
vivid furnace
what the fuck is even going on in tekken bro
cant tell if this is intended with the new patch or if its a bug
late frost
late frost
late frost
vivid furnace
mahvel is never dyin
balmy parrot
chat should I focus on practicing hibiki or jin
the answer is probably jin since a lot of his fundamentals can be applied to hibiki and there's more moving parts to learn
faint ice
Hibiki if you acc want to play right, idk him well but ninja/speed archetypes are generally playing their own game
worthy crystal
Jin has some priv stuff that hibiki doesn’t so if you go from one to the other you’re gonna have to adjust a lot more
You don’t have a free way to open people up you don’t have nearly as good defensive tools and your buttons are worse
shrewd furnace
Nine
but among the 2, Hibiki if you want to learn better fundamentals (yeah yeah, ninja characters go unga bunga)
gaunt cloud
Hibiki because yosuke is cool
balmy parrot
thank you all for participating in the survey
unfortunately
a slave to blondes until the end it appears
worthy crystal
but among the 2, Hibiki if you want to learn better fundamentals (yeah yeah, nin...
Hibiki isn’t even a real ninja character sigh
His mix is ass his oki is mid his runspeed is mid
balmy parrot
nah his run speed is great
worn rivet
chat should I focus on practicing hibiki or jin
hakumen
balmy parrot
his oki isn't too bad either, he's got lots of safejumps that catch multiple options
his mix is definitely the worst bit about him
you can barrier his entire blockstring and you put him out of range of most of his moves
he can do a single overhead and he needs 50 meter to make it worth using
worthy crystal
nah his run speed is great
It’s good but it’s not even top 5
And his oki is pretty average outside of the corner
Safe jumps aren’t exactly privileged in this game
balmy parrot
he's got a top 10 move in the game at least
worthy crystal
Being
balmy parrot
what else would it be
worthy crystal
Unless you’re limiting to 1 move per character
Even still
If it’s 1 button per character then sure
balmy parrot
it does a lot of heavy lifting for his entire character
worn rivet
I feel like jin is a surefire bet here but because i hate ky-likes i'll say you should learn hibiki
worthy crystal
It carries the character but top 10 buttons in the game is just a bit of up play
balmy parrot
I'd argue you're downplaying it just a little bit
worthy crystal
Top 10 buttons are like
Izanami 2a/2b, litchi 5b/j.bm/j.ce, nine jump normals/4x, mu j.c, izayoi 5c/j.c/2a, bang 5a, naoto 5a
Things that cover multiple options extremely efficiently while also remaining best in class for what they’re intended to do, with little to no effective counterplay that define entire aspects of the characters neutral/offense/defense
As much of a meme as it is ragna 5b
Hibiki j.c while very good doesn’t really hold a candle to most of those
Izanamis crouching buttons alone can form a better singular character than half the roster
Took all the strength in my heart to not say Mai 5c
But know I was thinking it
Rachel 6a is also probably on the list for merits of being the best anti air in the game
balmy parrot
top 10 buttons (in no order) would be Ragna 5B, Hibiki j.C, Mu-12 5C, Jin j.B or j.C, Naoto 2A, any Arakune normal, Hakumen 5C, any Mai normal, and I can't think of 2 more
worthy crystal
So false worstie
balmy parrot
I put Naoto 2A over 5A because it gives him oki in the corner, low profiles, is faster, and has a billion gatlings
worthy crystal
Both of his A buttons are godlike
balmy parrot
I hate Naoto downplayers
worthy crystal
5a is one of the best stagger points in the game bc of the follow up
balmy parrot
the character has some of the most privilege in the game
worthy crystal
Tbf naoto up players also say some crazy shit sometimes
In the beginning of rollback days you’d think naoto DP was + the way people complained about it
balmy parrot
it probably is like top 3 DP's (not DP inputs) in the game thinking more about it
worthy crystal
It is the best DP in the game
But meterless DPs in this game are not particularly outstanding
Only other DPs in contention are obviously ragna and then imo tsubaki which is a bit more complicated
If we go back 1 or 2 games DPs have some very fucked up things going on but cf is not a game where you can get Mario party’d by izayoi DP
balmy parrot
I don't like thinking about Izayoi even if the game is fairer this go-around
worthy crystal
Izayoi is less fair in this game than the last one dw
Just she could combo off of her DP meterless for some reason
And make it unpunishable on block
Bbcp was hype I miss that game
Metered reversals in this game are pretty fucked up sometimes though
Litchi and Izayoi have the infamous ones
balmy parrot
don't abbreviate it like that
balmy parrot
yeah Jin is straight up just a Persona character I'm playing this dude
balmy parrot
we say this but I like BlazBlue way more than Guilty Gear nowadays
worthy crystal
I enjoy the gameplay more but in every other sense I think gg is less weird honestly
Bb has some abhorrent character designs
balmy parrot
I won't defend the women but I like all of the male character designs
worthy crystal
Well yeah because Mori is a heterosexual man
balmy parrot
the flame is wild
worthy crystal
I’m just saying he’s not gonna oversexualize male characters when it doesn’t suit his interest
balmy parrot
it's a good thing I think Jin is hot
my opinion on GG began to really sour after Strive and the more I look back the more I think it really lost the charm it had in ML and the beginning of the X series
I think them making it so you can't roman cancel after certain moves was the last straw for me
worthy crystal
Sorry but if you only found ML charming you just like kuso
worthy crystal
Ok I also found that game butt ugly
balmy parrot
incorrect sadly
balmy parrot
this will always be the best Baiken design unfortunately
worthy crystal
I think she’s one of the few characters who actually looked good in xrd
wicked quarry
She still was a downgrade to her original design
Also since we're getting seemingly one more season I'm hoping for Answer
balmy parrot
is it like
hinted at that it'll be the final season
because I hope support for this game stops as soon as possible so they can get back to making Cross Tag Battle 2
gaunt cloud
Wasnt blue team the ones responsible for bbtag?
balmy parrot
probably but they said that they want to keep blazblue and guilty gear separate and not be supporting two IP's at the same time because of splitting the playerbase or whatever
so they'll probably only give blazblue more attention after strive is wrapped up
worthy crystal
because I hope support for this game stops as soon as possible so they can get b...
I hope they literally never attempt bbtag again
But a new actual bb would be cool
balmy parrot
unfortunately without mori it's probably gonna be donkey ass
last I heard Mori and ASW were on good terms so hopefully if they do make a new one they get him to at least consult on the story
which is why I said Cross Tag Battle 2 because that shit does not matter lore-wise so they can have Adi Shankar writing and it wouldn't affect anything Mori's written
balmy parrot
that is
absolutely not the character I thought you'd play
I figured you to be an Adachi player in P4AU/XTAG and like an Amane or Naoto player for mainline
gaunt cloud
I did play adachi a bit yea
Should also probably add that i only played bb stuff when i was over at my friend's house
So i have probably what
50 hours max in the franchise?
balmy parrot
more hours than the average bridget fan has put into guilty gear
balmy parrot
all the top tiers in blazblue are really fun
gaunt cloud
I figured you to be an Adachi player in P4AU/XTAG and like an Amane or Naoto pla...
Why is that, btw?
Kinda curious now
balmy parrot
well Adachi because you're a Persona fan and I feel like we both have similar levels of brainrot so Adachi seems perfect since he has stupid fucking damage with meter and can steal games from hitting one button
and Naoto because he's pretty much a tokusatsu protagonist and he's really fucking cool
Amane because idk it's funny to force your opponent to block and take all of their HP from chip
balmy parrot
try naoto too
gaunt cloud
Noted
worthy crystal
Kinda miss playing nu II
Being a zoner player not what I expected
Did you play her in cf or the older games
Because they changed her quite a lot
worthy crystal
In the 3.5 games she’s in she’s completely different character in all of them
worthy crystal
I played her on the game before the lambda stuff
As in the very first game?
gaunt cloud
Yea
worthy crystal
You’d probably hate her in cf then
gaunt cloud
She's just rushdown there right?
From what i recall
Then they turned her into a stance character
Which honestly sounds pretty fun
wicked quarry
My condolences for your fingers
worthy crystal
She's just rushdown there right?
Setplay character in cf
She went from zoner who loops 50/50s in CT to rush down who loops 50/50s in CS to stance character who does both of the above in CP to zoner who’s god and kills you for breathing in CPEX to zoner who setplays you and does 1 50/50 every 30 minutes in CF
Cf is probably her weakest version unfortunately but she’s still fine
Low mid tier ish
gaunt cloud
I see, thanks
worthy crystal
She’s like a matchup beast character
Some characters can’t play the game against her but she can’t play against like 1/4 of the roster
vivid furnace
why does ghost rider deal so little damage 
faint ice
so they'll probably only give blazblue more attention after strive is wrapped up
The guess is lowkey another IP similar to how Granblue happened
vivid furnace
so im fuckin around in iron saga because i like big mechs and i cannot lie
for being a 'giant mecha fistfighting each other' game it plays a lot like street fighter
late frost
how you liking it
vivid furnace
i like the gameplay so far, it doesn't feel that clunky
the art style is probably my least favorite part about it
feels very... newgrounds-esque?
like don't get me wrong, it'd be a very good newgrounds game art style, but for a $30 game its meh
wu shuang is absolutely sick though
bro has a massive halberd and either some really neat zoning OR he can summon lightning and yeet that halberd like a spear
also if you hate mash inputs stay away
literally every character has them
the tns iron saga tourney is almost at $1000
late frost
they got a weekly going
or is it a one-off thing?
vivid furnace
i dont think it'll be a one-off thing but i also dont think it'll be weekly
nero has such a cool super, its full gurren lagann
middle three updates are all free dlcs
balmy parrot
alright, fighting games have been ruined
pack it up, go home
league players will ruin the fgc
also it's funny how they added GROUND TECH but motion inputs are too high of a skill floor to include
small furnace
2xko baffles me. idk who its for really.
balmy parrot
they want to help non-FGC players "get through the door"
the problem is this is such a watered down, baby-fied version of what a fighting game is that they'll never be actually immersed in the culture or get into real fighting games
it's a free-to-play game that'll probably be a microtransaction haven
all they're doing is selling the aesthetic and vibe of a fighting game to League players and making as much money as possible
small furnace
yeah it just feels like an attempt to pull league/riot fans into a new game rather than get them into fighters
which is fine ig but
for all its hype it feels kind of like a dud
balmy parrot
it feels bizarrely slow for an "anime" fighter too
like street fighter but it has airdashes
small furnace
which is also not super new player friendly. air dashing is something only the anime fighters really does a lot
wicked quarry
also it's funny how they added GROUND TECH but motion inputs are too high of a s...
I don't think ground tech raises the skill floor much though?
That's more of a skill ceiling thing
balmy parrot
well I wasn't saying that ground tech was necessarily a skill floor thing but it's incredibly weird that they'd add depth in the macro and remove it in the micro
SF6 and GBVSR and even P4A had solutions to this in their own way that didn't sacrifice the identity of fighting games just because
at some point you gotta stop babying people and ask them to do a quarter circle
or at least have an option for simpler inputs but keep it as an option so everyone is happy
wicked quarry
Well they want it to be low floor high ceiling
And idk, I like motion inputs, but I don't really think they're the be all end all?
paper notch
^
No reason to have em when your game works fine without them
faint ice
Game was built from the ground up for no motions
Honestly the reason why sf modern is pretty good is because they almost wanted to do that for SF6
But SF has a legacy so that'd be impossible
faint ice
it feels bizarrely slow for an "anime" fighter too
Game gives off marvel before I think of anime personally
late frost
I'll comment on 2XKO later
My gacha announcements are on
And it's 6 AM here
shrewd furnace
I’m fine with no inputs since that’s what they wanted to do regardless but what I do have a problem with is claiming it’s a fighting game for new players to get into the genre and yet it’s a team fighter with a ton of stupid stuff brought in from infamously beginner unfriendly games
It’s like if with riftbound they were going for a lorcana-type experience and then made modern yugioh as the baseline game
faint ice
I think tag/team being an empty hole in the genre since say dbfz (which itself got a lot of new people) is what inspired the choice over granblue 3
multiplayer playing with friends option and opportunity of seeing more champs at once
(but 10 at release lmao)
balmy parrot
I've never seen another fighting game more engineered exclusively to sell an inferior product to people who won't ask for more so they can nickel and dime them and get some faux fgc going
the weird thing is I've seen a lot of FGC players talk positively about this game and I can't tell if they're paid or if they're too optimistic
balmy parrot
And idk, I like motion inputs, but I don't really think they're the be all end a...
I guess in this case I can see your point but normally I could never agree
the experience of getting used to motion inputs was a really important part of my fighting game journey getting into it and it's such a cool part of the genre that I actively enjoy
not really something worth arguing over though
I think the combination of a small roster and really mismatched mechanics is gonna be a big turn-off for a lot of people
it feels a lot like multiversus where it's gonna fail to capture an audience
X
late frost
Well known aspect of anime fighters
Short combos
balmy parrot
how would a footsies-based tag fighter work with short combos?
also I feel it may just be me but getting combo'd for a bit gives me a time to stop bracing and gives me a little bit of breathing room to think over my mistake and how my opponent is playing
and what I'll do when I have to get back up and take my turn back
shrewd furnace
Ground tech would work with that but it depends on how they implement it
Rolls/in place is fine but doesn’t address the issue of long combos, just oki
But what would help is if you can tech before otg can hit you
faint ice
idk how much you guys know about the game but combos are shorter than alpha 1 already, ahris probably the most clear example of it
jiyuna's quoting a full gauge dump with the resource fuse to show otherwise
I think this is a better scenario than say battle for the grid power level
worthy crystal
alright, fighting games have been ruined
U were literally glazing bbtag but as soon as they add tech rolls its over
Like idk
The game is weird because they wanna make a tag fighter that’s easy to get into but adding tech rolls I feel is one of the far less egregious things
They also said hkds are still in the game
Like alpha 1 came out everyone went “wow combos are so long damage is so high oki is so insane they need to fix this” and now that they’re… fixing it… people are also complaining about that
Fighting game players are literally never happy
Even worse than ygo players
balmy parrot
U were literally glazing bbtag but as soon as they add tech rolls its over
dawg shut up
I literally hate xtag, how can you interpret me wanting arcsys to do shitty blazblue spinoffs instead of trying to write a mainline game because they're not Mori as "I want a shitty 2x2 tag fighter"
worthy crystal
Ok then if you already don’t like xtag why do you even engage with 2xko considering how similar they are
Like if you already know you’re not gonna like the game which it really just sounds like already happened why do you keep seeking out more info to shit on the game for no reason
balmy parrot
haughty zodiac
oh wait this isn't video games
worthy crystal
wicked quarry
I think the combination of a small roster and really mismatched mechanics is gon...
The roster could be an issue, I do agree there
balmy parrot
first it was "you like xtag, why are you upset that it's like xtag" now it's "you hate xtag, why are you engaging with it if it's like xtag"
wicked quarry
But I think the mechanics have largely been pretty cool
worthy crystal
first it was "you like xtag, why are you upset that it's like xtag" now it's "yo...
I mean what do you want me to say then lol
Yeah this game is so fuckign dogshit keep on hating bro it’s so ass you go girl
Like it’s a waste of energy to shit on a game that seems pretty clearly like a game you aren’t going to like and it discourages people who actually have played and enjoyed the game from talking about it
balmy parrot
me stating my opinion does not stop other people from stating their opinion, just like it hasn't stopped ovven from stating his opinion or you from stating your opinion or anyone else in this chat from stating their opinion
doesn't this work both ways, speaking so highly of it and literally telling me I can't complain either way discourages me from talking about the problems I see with the game
worthy crystal
Yeah because I have spoken so highly about 2xko
This game that I played for a grand total of 5 hours
In a completely different version
balmy parrot
well if that's the case then I should mention I was never someone who was complaining about long combos and high damage and insane oki
worthy crystal
That comment wasn’t aimed at you it was aimed at jiyuna
Jiyuna tweet actually sent me over the edge
Simultaneously complaining that they make the game too low power but also the damage is still too high and they didn’t fix any problems is like actually insane
balmy parrot
I'm not really well-read on what everyone's complaining about, I just posted it irrespective of the "drama" or whatever
worthy crystal
I mean his tweet is bait tbh
Yes that’s my problem
Posting engagement bait about an unreleased fighting game when ur viewed as a pillar of the community should be punishable with death
Jiyunas whole thing of being “the boomer fgc guy” has just been very annoying recently
He said recently kids these days complain about the game itself back in my day we used to just complain about characters
As if people weren’t shitting their pants about YRC in xrd or rolls in bb
And like people who play current games don’t complain about characters to insane degrees
balmy parrot
there is a video I'd like to post which is relevant but it contains several slurs because it's from the chronophantasma days
or sorry, continuum shift
worthy crystal
balmy parrot
it's an unlimited ragna mirror and the first thing the commentary says at the start of the round is "GO FORTH, MY EPIC F—" followed by the ragnas clashing with DP's for 10 seconds straight and him eating his mic
BlazBlue pre-Chronophantasma has not aged very well
you literally only had 2 bursts in a set
worthy crystal
Bbcp also hasn’t aged very well
balmy parrot
maybe the game itself but the engine update and the system mechanics changes were goated
worthy crystal
Every bb game is exponentially better than the last
Because u always have the hindsight of what insane gimmicks shouldn’t be allowed
late frost
today I will practice
antiairing after someone jumps my throw oki
austere garnet
Fatal fury going so hard on marketing
paper notch
worthy crystal
Variable heart manga isn’t entirely canon as far as I recall
But kokonoe is actually god
I do think the az thing might also be canon
He’s insane but he’s also not literally unstoppable
He’s never lost to single people but he goes to stand stills sometimes
Not full power az though lol
It was like 50%
There’s some dubiously canon thing where like az going full power would in itself basically be like dropping a nuke in terms of sheer damage to his environment
faint ice
@worthy crystal Chipp or Slayer?
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> Chipp or Slayer?
What context
faint ice
another char for me
balmy parrot
Chipp
worthy crystal
another char for me
If u want my honest to god answer slayer is easier wins more and safer in the long run
But don’t be a villain
balmy parrot
you wouldn't be endorsing another ninja character would you
maybe
balmy parrot
shrewd furnace
Wait the alpha is ongoing? Bruhhh of all the days it has to be when I don’t have access to my computer 💀
shrewd furnace
Oh I got in but I just forgot lmao
faint ice
Oh I got in but I just forgot lmao
Griefing for the love of the game
wicked quarry
I mean, modern fighting games surprisingly often have random dumbass infinites that need to get patched
balmy parrot
Naoto is fun and he'll remain my GOAT
but for now I gotta train Hibiki
it just sucks that he's so underpowered
you can just barrier block all his shmix and he can't do anything bro
lmao
Naoto has some insane privilege
wicked quarry
it just sucks that he's so underpowered
Hibiki is not really someone I'd call underpowered tbh
He's like lower mid tier
balmy parrot
underpowered =/= weak
he's a fundies character but he's hindered by system mechanics and can only play blazblue with meter
wicked quarry
Isn't weak what underpowered means?
I'm not familiar with the definition you're using
balmy parrot
I think a big signature of ArcSys games are very off-the-wall move philosophy or "gimmicks" that define a character's gameplay
wicked quarry
Oh yeah
balmy parrot
Hibiki doesn't really have the former, his frame data is very honest, and his "gimmick" kinda sucks
balmy parrot
I'd call him underpowered, but he's not weak because his buttons are good for fundamentals
and fundamentals are like really good in every game
wicked quarry
I can sorta see what you mean
Though tbh I've seen good Hibikis do miracles with shadow clones
balmy parrot
it might unironically be matchup knowledge because it's like how some people know Phoenix Wright has an overhead in UMVC3 but don't know what the specific move or string is so they only have a vague idea of how the strings should go
his shadow clones are fun though
wicked quarry
That's part of it, but part of it is also that aerial shadow clones let you create scenarios that are hard to predict or deal with
I do agree that Hibiki doesn't have the most interesting gimmick though
I still main him, but I have dabbled in Izayoi and Hakumen
Granted 99% of the reason I play Hakumen sometimes is just
I love this move
wicked quarry
I mean my hot take is that Fioras counter in League should work like Yukikaze
But the League playerbase isn't ready for that conversation
balmy parrot
the league fighting game needs to be half as fun as your average arcsys game
the game feels like a composite of arcsys games and maybe marvel with little fb or snk influence
which isn't a complaint but I feel like the devs should try out some more games for inspiration
wicked quarry
Tbh I'm not sure the game needs more games as inspiration?
I think they're going for a game more focused on the characters gimmicks a la early ArcSys
They just need the base systems to be good
faint ice
Bro said he can't guarantee evo 2026 @nova pagoda
nova pagoda
lol
bro just delete it at this point
they';ve been working on it since 20 fucking 19
scrapped everything midway through
and still have nothing to show for it
balmy parrot
which game is this?
faint ice
Nah its lowkey gonna cook but this evo25 presentation has to be the redemption arc
2xko
worthy crystal
it just sucks that he's so underpowered
He’s pretty average in all regards
He is randomly very good against zoners
Struggling against barrier is basically universal lol
worthy crystal
hakumen is too saucy for him
Haku is like incredibly boring idk
People like watching the yt combos and then hate actually playing him
Or they like playing him and never do actual combos
wicked quarry
Who needs combos when you have 236236D
worthy crystal
Who needs combos when you have 236236D
Izanami command grab gg
wicked quarry
Oh let me guess
worthy crystal
... wait does Izanami command grab beat Yukikaze?
Yukikaze loses to throws in cf
wicked quarry
Not a command grab but an unblockable
balmy parrot
this is why we should never let ovven cook
worthy crystal
It makes sense in bbtag because the reward is lower so it’s just a traditional reversal
But in mainline games he can literally convert to 5k+ damage off of it
wicked quarry
It’s fucked up that they ever let a parry beat throws
I swear he is neither the first nor the only one
balmy parrot
if yukikaze beat grabs in mainline BB I'm not sure there'd be any RPS option that would beat it
balmy parrot
does not pressing any buttons and standing there waiting for Hakumen to use it count as an option
worthy crystal
Yes
wicked quarry
Yes
worthy crystal
Because that’s the way half the cast actually baits out and beats Yukikaze
Hit a + enough button pretend to tick throw
wicked quarry
He loses 4 Magatama and the recovery is slow enough to punish
Oh right
Jirens counter
Thats what I was thinking of
balmy parrot
well I guess yukikaze in particular, sure
wicked quarry
That one was actually fucked
wicked quarry
If I remember correctly, Jirens counter beat everything but supers right?
worthy crystal
2d is the most fucked up one he has
worthy crystal
If I remember correctly, Jirens counter beat everything but supers right?
Low recovery projectiles let you 2h it
wicked quarry
That was post-nerf wasnt it?
worthy crystal
If haku 5d/6d beat throws it would still be insane obv but 2d is like already the most broken one
Pretty sure it was always
wicked quarry
They increased the time a little bit to let you 2H
worthy crystal
The nerf let you do it from much more situations
balmy parrot
every day we should be grateful hakumen's reversals are either metered or lose to highs
worthy crystal
every day we should be grateful hakumen's reversals are either metered or lose t...
6d
wicked quarry
Err
So it was an air attack
So 2H was invuln against it
Otherwise it just beat 2H
wicked quarry
Either way Jirens counter was truly fucked
worthy crystal
It just wasn’t consistent
wicked quarry
Its like BBTAG Yukikaze that didnt cost meter
balmy parrot
If I remember correctly, Jirens counter beat everything but supers right?
you could burst it
worthy crystal
Spark a counter
wicked quarry
Unironically sometimes correct
balmy parrot
I forgot how much I hate DBFZ
vivid furnace
dbfz is a bad game to play seriously but its such a fun game to lab
balmy parrot
I've been hating since before the patch that completely changed the game ngl
it's kinda like dbz proper
cool and fun to watch but I can't find any substance in it
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot let’s run the set
wicked quarry
Help I'm coming around on the DJ dude in City of Wolves
vapid lake
Help I'm coming around on the DJ dude in City of Wolves
you mean the one who's moveset is stolen from an actual character?
wicked quarry
See thats it
Its not
He has some Duck King moves but they gave him so many moves that apparently are based on that guy making wacky music videos?
teal pebble
ITs sounds like the Smash Ultimate effect where you hate the character cause its doesnt "fit" or its not the character you want but then you try and its fun
late frost
There's definitely an uncanniness in the animation and artstyle of the real people characters
especially Ronaldo
People also don't like the characters because they're likely the product of Saudi influence on the game
wicked quarry
Kinda
But with Salvatore I'm not sure that's the case anymore
And tbh there is so much care put into his animations and design that I'm just kinda on board now
worthy crystal
Not hating on playing the character but there’s like a near 0% chance it’s not just Saudi influence lol
And if of the 2 real life people one of the 2 was actually not Saudi oil prince request I would certainly assume Ronaldo before DJ that 87% of the world hasn’t heard of
wicked quarry
Eh, I'd argue being kinda obscure but by all accounts a KoF fan who is actively promoting the game is more likely to not be a Saudi request
Kinda like the random edgerunner guest in Strive
faint ice
But with Salvatore I'm not sure that's the case anymore
nah like I'm p sure he is
He's done shows or some crossover there etc
I think the positive reception he's got now the game is out is funny
character is just doing his own thing
balmy parrot
<@291063973971755008> let’s run the set
asking me for sets at 8 in the morning you are evil
marble gate
worthy crystal
asking me for sets at 8 in the morning you are evil
You had all day to respond
balmy parrot
You had all day to respond
asking me for sets at 10 at night you are evil
balmy parrot
not asking me for sets at 10 at night you are evil
I'm not confident in my gameplay anyways
maybe next week
wicked quarry
pearl burrow
Max took the chance for the joke and ran with it
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot is it acceptable to ask for sets at 12 PM
worthy crystal
If I get cotw would you play w me @wicked quarry
This game looks so hype but idk ppl who play snk
worthy crystal
https://youtu.be/2X_QyoQ2YBQ
She looks sick and also like a rekka character
worthy crystal
Cotw purchased
Probably either gonna play gato or ronaldo
In garou I played blue hotaru but idk
wicked quarry
If I get cotw would you play w me <@117715672737251330>
Sure, but I'm not sure I'll buy it at this moment
Kinda busy with stuff for a while
worthy crystal
Hotaru and Kain the esports characters
Is this confirmed
I was hoping they’d make Brian top tier again
faint ice
I was hoping they’d make Brian top tier again
im ngl who tf is brian
faint ice
oh the cop?
worthy crystal
Yes
faint ice
Apparently he 2 touches
worthy crystal
He was god in mow
balmy parrot
I've come around to liking Mu-12's design
I like her design when she's not wearing Murakumo better though
one of the cutest bios ever btw
small furnace
yeah i like her poncho a lot
teal pebble
lol her Bio is basically "It was just a phase"
worthy crystal
I like her design when she's not wearing Murakumo better though
This design is actually good
I think combat mode is not
Murakumo standby mode was Ramlethal concept art and it would’ve been cooler than the execution they actually got imo
I think actual sprites for the kumos is just pretty flagrantly a weird fetish thing
vivid furnace
watchin tns' coverage of lvl up expo
the us army has a fuckin esports team
javi won vs dxp
won 40k points betting on javi 
worthy crystal
the us army has a fuckin esports team
This is how they recruit a lot of guys now
late frost
balmy parrot
dawg how in the actual fuck do you play Hazama
worn rivet
dawg how in the actual fuck do you play Hazama
you throw snakes
im a hazama main and thats p much all i know
Also 632146DD
balmy parrot
like
okay at the very least I'm guessing snakes are easy to combo with
I can get used to the movement and the neutral but I gotta have consistency at least
worn rivet
Are they? Im a beginner so i cant say i think so lmfao
I think the biggest thing about hazama are microdashes
Dude lives and dies for em
balmy parrot
I'm fine with those
yeah idk I'm relatively new too but I want some weird character to learn alongside Jin who's baby easy
worn rivet
yeah idk I'm relatively new too but I want some weird character to learn alongsi...
oh yeah btw just so you know hazama only has a reversal in overdrive
If he aint in OD you just gotta block
balmy parrot
that's fine, I can never do DP's when they matter anyways
worn rivet
But yeah hes a real fun character to play
worn rivet
Also 632146DD
do try this out tho because it's super funny
balmy parrot
I'll try it out
worthy crystal
dawg how in the actual fuck do you play Hazama
Learn how to micro dash 5b
balmy parrot
isn't it literally just 665b
worthy crystal
Easier said than done
balmy parrot
this is where I can apply my naoto training
worthy crystal
214b b 665b is like the most important link for the character
Also 665b 665b 665b is like a real pressure string
balmy parrot
I understand it now!
last night I was having a pretty bad night but before I was gonna head to bed I had a random encounter with some blazblue players and we played a bunch of sets
the universe itself is trying to cheer me up
worthy crystal
Also something to note about the chains that not sure if you realized yet is that they have semi dead zones where they have basically no hitstun if you hit them too close to you
balmy parrot
ye I make a habit of reading the dustloop pages before I get around to training
the OD gets rid of that so that's basically my kill mode
worthy crystal
@faint ice should I play preecha
Or gato or hotaru
All these characters are hype as fuck can’t lie
faint ice
preecha seems up your alley
but if you're ever looking for a paycheck - keep hotaru in the pocket
worthy crystal
Rekka character
Mid dispenser…
Also bit of a fireball bot
Wtw with hotaru
Is it just godlike everything
faint ice
Yeah she's just the whole package
worthy crystal
Makes sense
Her fireball seemed really fast compared to the last one
And her divekick is really silly
- the whole system mechanic of the game is rlly good for her
Full combos off command grab and divekick are huge when those are half her gameplan
Same reason why ppl glazed tizoc in the beta
Rev system is inherently really good for grapplers actually
Vox is also cool but he’s just like a combo fiend everything else seems so dry
faint ice
tizoc getting the kimberly treatment might have been for the greater good
gaunt cloud
vivid furnace
salvatore ganacci is goated
hate on ronaldos inclusion tho that just sucks outright
balmy parrot
I think for the final season of Strive DLC for the last character they should throw Hazama in there
balmy parrot
it would be cool lore-wise though
if they can throw away their integrity for a Cyberpunk character it'd be cool to see Hazama get isekai'd
balmy parrot
X
worthy crystal
I think for the final season of Strive DLC for the last character they should th...
I hope it’s either 4 returnees who get complete kit overhauls or 4 batshit insane crossovers
Doom guy in strive
mellow palm
I hope it’s either 4 returnees who get complete kit overhauls or 4 batshit insan...
I got the leaks bro, it’s ||Jam, Answer, Susanoo, and Vergil||
worthy crystal
I got the leaks bro, it’s ||Jam, Answer, Susanoo, and Vergil||
Might be the single worst set of dlc characters possible you did it
vivid furnace
vergil would go HARD in strive
shrewd furnace
The first one is good tho
mellow palm
Nah, a storm is approaching, he is the storm
vivid furnace
can you imagine
booting up strive, picking like slayer or brexit or w/e
loading into a match and just hearing 'CARVE, YOU'RE MINE, YOU'RE GOING DOWN'
mellow palm
If I have to deal with summoned swords install in Struve I stg
worthy crystal
The first one is good tho <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Jam is a character literally designed for strive years in advance which is why she’s a horrible pick for strive
worthy crystal
She was slightly less annoying in xrd than she was in +r idk
Parry was a slightly less stupid move in xrd than it was in +r so
Her frame data is belligerent in that game
Actually scratch that both gg games she’s in her frame data is heinous
+3 ob standing low what the fuck
shrewd furnace
Yep, main reason why my friend mains her
worthy crystal
I pocket her for specifically the elphelt MU but she’s a heinous character idk
I think she’s easily in the top 10
The weird nebulous space beneath like venom/faust but above like everyone else in the game by a shit ton
shrewd furnace
I can’t remember how fast she can overhead but there was a couple options
Faust was top 3
worthy crystal
Faust was top 3
This one’s up to opinion
And how much u glaze nage vs how much u glaze daru
Because a lot of ppl (me included) think ino is Jesus
shrewd furnace
Top 1-2 was Johnny and elphelt for sure
worthy crystal
Imo it’s Johnny/Elphelt>Ino>Faust/Venom>>>a couple other chars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else
shrewd furnace
Venom might’ve gotten better as people started playing more but I thought faust was just better than everything else other than the 2
shrewd furnace
Yep rev 2
worthy crystal
That’s also the game version where chip was t1 lol
shrewd furnace
I haven’t really played against many good ino players so idk for sure
shrewd furnace
I remember some people talking about a pocket Axl to deal with Ino lmao
Very bad idea
worthy crystal
Crazy because ino smokes that character still
Pretty sure HCL beats 2h
And stroke beats 5p
shrewd furnace
I should be able to play faust and only get meteors
worthy crystal
Also venom was already huge ups but post rollback people also labbed out insane shit with that character
shrewd furnace
Ah, yep that’s why I didn’t have him on my radar
worthy crystal
Certain characters would have to drop burst or basically just lose if he hit like CH 6p
Even before rollback he was still top 5 discourse im pretty sure
shrewd furnace
I remember people talking about ky funny enough
worthy crystal
Ky was and remains really good
shrewd furnace
Yeah but I mean as for top 5
gaunt cloud
What happened to bedman was a tragedy 
worthy crystal
I think he kind of does the venom thing worse than venom
shrewd furnace
Bedman deserved to be gutted
worthy crystal
Bedman deserved what he got but it is really funny when u compare to elphelt and Johnny
Who got nerfed from top 2 to top 5 and then got buffed back to top 2 a patch later
shrewd furnace
I really expected people to lab ram ngl
shrewd furnace
Heard from certain mains she had some sauce on rev2 but I never saw it
worthy crystal
They like accidentally twisted the knife in rev 2 she caught unbelievable system mechanic strays and all she got out of it was slightly less shit neutral
shrewd furnace
True, but for context this was back when they realized you can chain 5P with 5P-4P
worthy crystal
People realized a game mechanic that had been in the game from day 1 and then they took away her ability to UB loop you
balmy parrot
Might be the single worst set of dlc characters possible you did it
what do you have against Answer
worthy crystal
But now she can force recall swords whenever she wants and it’s not actually gg
If someone hits f.s in neutral
shrewd furnace
Answer is boring af
worthy crystal
what do you have against Answer
I think his character concept is sick but they just executed him very boringly
And I know if he’s in strive he’ll be a fireball bot
balmy parrot
true
shrewd furnace
We need kum
worthy crystal
Which tbf he also was in xrd
shrewd furnace
Kum is sick
worthy crystal
We get kum but it’s actually the girl
Why do you like such cringe characyers
Faust kum jam
Holy
U like being an ape
balmy parrot
I'd hate for Susanoo to get in because they'd have to strip almost his entire identity away
shrewd furnace
I only play faust lmao
worthy crystal
Doesn’t change my evaluation
shrewd furnace
Sometimes dizzy
balmy parrot
huh
assuming the last season is 4 characters that would put Strive at the exact same roster number as CF
cosmic forge
Apparently in the Strive anime the villain is slowly becoming a better person because ||she saw Bridget naked and is attracted to her||
Like there’s literally a scene where ||Bridget is bathing, completely nude, turns to Unika, and waves like “heya”||
and that’s just in the canon now
balmy parrot
ugh
cosmic forge
||mayburi fans are in shambles||
faint ice
Season 5 would be a lot of characters ngl
The game has the momentum for it
But does arc sys want to
small furnace
next guilty gear game
vivid furnace
dbfz 2 
faint ice
something has to be worked on atm
teal pebble
Guilty Gear Cross Tag
gaunt cloud
The first good one piece game
worthy crystal
Somehow less likely than a new Blazblue
gaunt cloud
They'll fold due to bandai pressure, trust
vivid furnace
ok i like lowtiers but i gotta find someone OTHER than ghost rider holy shit
that or find someone other than dorm idk which
could go back to ol trustworthy wesker...
could also just say fuck it and learn magneto ig
late frost
wesker used to be top tier
then we got better at the game
shrewd furnace
So he’s top tier for us
worthy crystal
Wesker being mid tier is very indicative of the state of balance in marvel
There’s only like 5 characters who aren’t actually good
And 2 of them are still pretty insane just crazy inconsistent gameplan
vivid furnace
could do ghost rider/doom/arthur, but i feel like thats just. a straight downgrade
really its just ghost riders combos are finicky
like, calling hidden missiles into 623xx after 214h should not be as inconsistent as it feels
maybe my execution is just Ass idk
but even ignoring that, just a simple 214l into dark hole 236l otg is super inconsistent for no reason
sometimes you get an extra hit, sometimes it just Drops
cosmic forge
There’s only like 5 characters who aren’t actually good
Hsien-Ko
cosmic forge
Shout out to this Hyper Fighting cabinet with “Barlog”
small furnace
did they change his name?
small furnace
anywhere outside of japan where that was the case
cosmic forge
Not to my knowledge
small furnace
i see
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot run the set?
late frost
I love fighting games
balmy parrot
<@291063973971755008> run the set?
I was sleeping, sorry about that
I can probably play on the weekends
worthy crystal
Sigh
vivid furnace
ok yeah im officially dropping ghost rider, this guy fucking sucks
shame cos he is so cool
maybe ill just do like. paradigms team
cos i already have a bit of practice with dorm/doom and haggar is pretty simple to pick up
just gotta hope he dies first otherwise game is basically lost
issue with that team is that haggar loves beams and dorm loves missiles i cant fucking win
worthy crystal
You trying to fight my rusted Kagura
Lowk?
faint ice
Can do but later
worthy crystal
@faint ice would u be free in the next 2 hours 
faint ice
I'll reply the chance before the hour ends
worthy crystal
One sec
Clicked the lobby button on accident got sent to hell 
steam://joinlobby/586140/109775241891465961/76561199155971047
@faint ice
faint ice
the TP IS CHEAP
faint ice
the tp is mind control
worthy crystal
If you hold a direction while you try to tech you roll, if you backroll in corner you die
This game is hold to tech though you don’t have to mash like old games
faint ice
oh ive been mashing
worthy crystal
I guessed from blue beats
A lot of ppl do
Sorry i feel bad all my characters are like crazy knowledge check assholes
balmy parrot
what characters do you play cake-kun
faint ice
ok dp bait on top
worthy crystal
Well I actually main litchi