#Fighting Game Chat

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gaunt cloud
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You dont need to charge the levels for it now

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SSB also seems to connect from 2SS

late frost
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hmmmm

gaunt cloud
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Also any random 2M baseku throws at you is now a TOD

late frost
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Apparently the official English patch notes dropped
Does someone have a link?

late frost
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@cosmic forge also you can combo into body change through Level 1 into Level 3

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corner only tho

paper notch
worthy crystal
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Pot also gets a reversal

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That might be +

wicked quarry
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According to patchnotes only the red one should be plus?

gaunt cloud
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apparently charged dust now gives positive bonus?

worthy crystal
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The finishing attack does

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The red one guard crushes but we don’t know the frame data on any of it anyways

late frost
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Summary of some of the comedy changes

cosmic forge
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Wait. @late frost

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“Last Resort - Attack can now be comboed into.”

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I HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS.

late frost
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(It only does 25% if you combo into it.)

cosmic forge
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…fuck

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I mean a free 25% is still good copium

late frost
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Very free three bars spent
plus assist because there's no way to combo into it by itself
Plus I'm pretty sure it does less than the minimum damage on his other Level 3. (Could be wrong about that tho)

cosmic forge
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The big meme here for me is Tien absolutely mashing Tri-Beam in limit

wicked quarry
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I mean thats how I played Tien

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Good old raw Level 7

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Oh my god this is comedy

late frost
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It's extremely good at stopping SD

wicked quarry
austere garnet
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I did ages back

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His fist just fucking falls on him lmao

wicked quarry
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Why is it so active lmao

gaunt cloud
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Man

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Some part of me was waiting for arcsys to say "sike" and release the "actual" balance changes

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Doesnt look like its possible anymore

paper notch
cosmic forge
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Is Yamcha WFF into DR any good

late frost
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It's a real threat
Unfortunately you won't get big damage off it, but it's another thing for your opponent to worry about

gaunt cloud
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Man

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Cant believe they added trunks and ssj vegeta into the game

worthy crystal
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LK said white wild assaults aren’t frame 1 invuln iknowwhatyouare

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We’ll see but if that’s the case it might be potemkover bros…

gaunt cloud
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cowards pensivecowboybread

faint ice
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UK*

balmy parrot
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also I can doomer now

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the sin buffs SUCK

faint ice
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I remember them addressing both fs and beak on the notes, no food* but I guess they don't want that move to be real in this game

balmy parrot
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don't get me wrong

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buffs are nice

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but Sin's not gonna get better like this

haughty zodiac
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wait i thought that wild assault used meter?

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just saw kizzie kay labbing a combo and it didn't

wicked quarry
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It uses burst meter

haughty zodiac
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ok that's kinda neat

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do the wild assaults properties vary a lot?

balmy parrot
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supposedly, yes

haughty zodiac
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kizzie kay doing 100% tension and 50% burst combo on johnny that doesn't do 50% on wallbreak

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combo was sick though

wicked quarry
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There are 3 variations

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Orange is fast and good for combos

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Blue does a guard crush but isnt invuln, Im not sure what its good for

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White is invuln midway and guard crushes and is the by far best one

haughty zodiac
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wait sorry wtf there's variations of using it?

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i was more meaning by for each character

wicked quarry
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Characters have one of those 3 versions

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Every orange one works the same

haughty zodiac
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ahh ok

wicked quarry
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White is the rarest, only 4 heavies have it

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... Nago has it

haughty zodiac
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why has nago got it whilst 6H now guard crushes?

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also they actually just gave nago a non super reversal lmao

wicked quarry
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🤷

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Like its weird because Nago was also generally arguably buffed

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And he got the best version of WA

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The other 3 that have it are Bedman who was ass, Potemkin who was mediocre, and Goldlewis who got nerfed for it

haughty zodiac
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so he received nerfs for previous moves but new content buffed him up in general?

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btw which characters got the new special moves mentioned?

wicked quarry
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Even without that he would be buffed

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Sec

haughty zodiac
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oh that was more about them saying there was new specials like may jumping off dolphin

wicked quarry
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No idea why Millia is blue

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Oh that

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Faust, Ram, May, I-No, Gio and Anji

haughty zodiac
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why ram

wicked quarry
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Eventually everyone is planned to get it

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But Ram also got nerfed

worthy crystal
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Staggers on hit cancels into everything

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Imo it’s better than orange

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In most senses

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It also guard crushes

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Millia having a blue one is good bc it lets her guarantee HKD off hits from anything

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If you’re somehow too far for 2k to hit you can cancel into mirazh throw or c.S and it combos

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Also i saw zedediah lab setups that beat deflect shield and still give you 50/50s

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So we’re still back

worthy crystal
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You can do CH 2p into 6h into wild assault into a HKD, or get 2 50/50s on block

wicked quarry
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Like idk how to combo into it

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Maybe Ill just wait til people figure out how it works

balmy parrot
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I have converted to the dark powers

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I wil be playing Bridget

worthy crystal
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C.s too I think

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6h

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It combos off any level 2 normals I’m pretty sure

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Maybe that’s just the orange one

wicked quarry
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I think thats orange ye

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Ill see though, maybe people figure smthg out

wicked quarry
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Ngl Im liking Bonnet

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I might switch to her fulltime from Millia as well

worthy crystal
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Well it definitely combos off 5h 6h

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I think air hit c.s too

wicked quarry
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Im still waiting for us to get Johnnys framedata

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To see if Ill consider him

worthy crystal
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I don’t think you can combo into charged WA but it doesn’t really matter

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Ino gets a lot of stray buffs from system changes too

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She can convert off her best pokes much easier

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/ at all

gaunt cloud
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Ok so i gave johnny a try

worthy crystal
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Ino suffered a lot from having good pokes but not being able to convert off them

gaunt cloud
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Ngl i not sure if i like playing him

worthy crystal
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Miller too

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Johnny feels really good

gaunt cloud
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Idk might just be a personal thing

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He feels kinda

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Boring?

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Like, the card stuff is cool but it's basically all that he can do

worthy crystal
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Well it’s kind of hard for Johnny to live up to the hype

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Ino dives still have low enough recovery to link 2k after a TK

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I think that means they just reverted it to pre patch

balmy parrot
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yeah cards were always gonna be less fun than coins

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coins and leveled up mist finer were what made him bonkers in xrd

worthy crystal
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I still think he’s really fun though

balmy parrot
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I'll have to play him once I get my hands on the dlc

worthy crystal
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Mfc feels weird kind of

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It doesn’t look like it has recovery but it feels like it

wicked quarry
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Tbh I think its early to say how fun Johnny is

balmy parrot
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oh did they nerf it?

worthy crystal
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You can still do it in combos though

wicked quarry
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Since people havent figured out stance cancel stuff yet likely

faint ice
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big fan of the anti projectile super

wicked quarry
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Mfc?

balmy parrot
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Mist Finer Cancel

gaunt cloud
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Mist finer cancel

balmy parrot
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you could turn any move into plus on block

faint ice
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eh it's pretty easy to play him for a day and decide whether you like him or not

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whether others get advanced tech or not later on

balmy parrot
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literally any move iirc

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the move's -19? no it's not, it's +7

worthy crystal
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Only level 3 and 4

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But in xrd that was every move

balmy parrot
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does it feel worse in Strive tho

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that's what I wanna know

worthy crystal
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Yes

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If it felt the same as it did in xrd it would be unbelievable

gaunt cloud
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Still wondering why was anji the one character who got hit the hardest

worthy crystal
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Ram is right there

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Anji caught a lot of strays but also he’s still fine ish

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Zatos also right there

faint ice
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also zato is right there

worthy crystal
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Zato actually died

wicked quarry
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Apparently (according to my friend) Zato players are saying hes fine?

worthy crystal
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Damned fang nerf flight nerf Eddie nerf AND FOR WHAT

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he’s definitely still fine

balmy parrot
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nah Anji is eating really damn good

faint ice
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Fish is actually a good move so we'll take those

worthy crystal
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Fish is good and the system mechanics are good for him

faint ice
balmy parrot
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hold on gimme a sec

worthy crystal
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Apparently the changes to P followup are good too

balmy parrot
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let it upload

worthy crystal
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I’m more than sure that zato is still relevant

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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He just struggles more at what he already did before

balmy parrot
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anji's new move eats jabs so he has meaty oki now

worthy crystal
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Yeah anjis move takes away a huge amount of the risk of spin in neutral

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It gives anji a real option vs projectiles and jabs which he didn’t have before

balmy parrot
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yeah

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I'd say Anji's now like

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a complete character

faint ice
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prc grab was the thing I hated most about spin

worthy crystal
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Nerfing damage doesn’t matter when everyone’s damage got nerfed too

faint ice
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I don't know why you got to lose on your own counter if your opp had meter

balmy parrot
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they also nerfed nago damage

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his main combo does 45 now instead of 65

worthy crystal
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Everyone’s damage got nerfed

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Like literally everyone I think does less damage now

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Nago kind of looking crazy again btw

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No 6h fukyo otg but he has actual high lows now

gaunt cloud
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Oh yea btw

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What do people think of HC now?

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Havent seen much strive content post s3

faint ice
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I haven't seen enough

worthy crystal
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It’s day 1

faint ice
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his damage is down for sure

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but I don't know how much he's changed

gaunt cloud
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Oh yea right

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It is day 1

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I have completely lost my sense of time

balmy parrot
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right now, and this is day 1 keep in mind

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I'd say Happy Chaos is probably worse now?

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just by looking at data

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he does a lot less damage off his wall-to-wall counterhit wallbreak combo

gaunt cloud
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I want to say that burst being fullscreen also kinda matters a bit

worthy crystal
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Everyone agrees he’s worse nobody knows how worse

gaunt cloud
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Yea

worthy crystal
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HC can still do steady aim shoot block burst

balmy parrot
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I think at worst he's high mid

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tier

worthy crystal
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At fullscreen

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I think he’s still very strong

balmy parrot
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I think the question people are asking is

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"will Leffen be able to rob a Top 8 at EVO with HC again"

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like the real question

worthy crystal
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HC still seems like a tournament winning character

balmy parrot
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well certainly but not rob a Top 8 with like

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four straight 3-0's

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certainly not "I have zero losing matchups"

worthy crystal
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If all they nerfed was his damage that doesn’t really affect his matchup spread that much

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Damage is maybe the least important thing to consider in a matchup unless it’s at an extreme like nago being able to kill chipp off one interaction and a guess

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HC still has best in class neutral, very good offense etc

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If anything the wall slump nerf matters more than the damage one

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Which is huge

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Also is it really robbing a top 8 if he cleared with all 3-0s

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I know leffen is an asshole and all of that but it’s not like being a bitch who plays a good character takes away his skill

balmy parrot
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nah it's nothing to do with leffen's personality

worthy crystal
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This is like when lost soul won every major for 8 months straight with elphelt and people said he sucked

balmy parrot
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did you see the matches?

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the main flow of the matches was HC gets any hit -> converts into a wallbreak -> positive bonus lets him either reset resources + neutral or let him continue pressure -> they either get hit again and die to a second wallbreak conversion

worthy crystal
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Yes

balmy parrot
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or they get zoned out by chaos' buttons

worthy crystal
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That’s a character being good

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If it was any other player on HC would you say he robbed his way through top 8

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People didn’t talk about umisho like that

balmy parrot
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yes, I hate the character and I've been hating him since he came out

worthy crystal
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And she played him when he was even better and in a more cuntass way

balmy parrot
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I don't like Leffen but I don't think highly of Umisho either for that

worthy crystal
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I think umisho was and remains to be one of the best strive players

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Playing a good character doesn’t make a player worse or morally bankrupt or whatever

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Play a game to win

wicked quarry
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I mean tbh Umisho also just plays whoever she finds fun

balmy parrot
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ye

wicked quarry
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She switched off HC to an arguably weaker character

worthy crystal
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How long has she played sol now

wicked quarry
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I think it was Sol most recently wasnt it

balmy parrot
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by "don't think highly" I just mean I don't stan them

worthy crystal
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Yeah she’s on sol now

balmy parrot
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I don't think they're Hitler

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Leffen's personality is another issue though, absolutely

worthy crystal
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Shrug

balmy parrot
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I would be fine with his sort of dickish tone but the controversy involving Mew2King is something that's inexcusable p much

faint ice
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speaking of sol

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He's such an absolute winner

wicked quarry
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What was the controversy again?

gaunt cloud
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The day i respect leffen is when he gets top 8 at tekken's evo

balmy parrot
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people accused Mew2King of sexual assault, and he had to come out and reveal to pretty much everyone in the world that he had a condition that categorically made it impossible for any of the allegations to be true

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and it was explicitly something he didn't want revealed because he thought it'd be something he would be made fun of for

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
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oh right they made fafnir fullscreen right

worthy crystal
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They made revolver hit lower to the ground made 2k 5f buffed far slash

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Fafnir hits from like 2/3 of the screen

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Buffed 6h but it still sucks

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Also system stuff is good for him

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He gets a casual 200 meterless off ch f.s

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Whereas before I’m pretty sure he had to RC to get in that range

worthy crystal
wicked quarry
balmy parrot
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yeah

late frost
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@cosmic forge I just realized they powercrept Yamcha (again)
one of Yamcha's unique strengths is that he can naturally combo his Level 1 into Level 3
but now everyone can do it on anchor

dreamy mason
mellow palm
late frost
cosmic forge
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Wait

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They gave Beerus a teleport?

late frost
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on his Level 3, yes

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for funsies

cosmic forge
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Why lmao

late frost
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for the comedy

gaunt cloud
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it's so that he can say "nothing personal, kid"

cosmic forge
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Tien got some nice buffs but like not too many

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Who got buffed the hardest this patch do you think

gaunt cloud
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would say ginyu if it wasnt for the body change nerf

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probably teen gohan?

late frost
mellow palm
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Hold up beerus is good now?

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Might have to play fighterz again

gaunt cloud
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Proposed Potemking buff for Season 3 4

haughty zodiac
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god johnny's theme is such a banger

pearl burrow
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just lean

haughty zodiac
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need to review themes again, have to say town inside me has grown on me slightly

late frost
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okay

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Time to look for the newest SSJ Goku combos

late frost
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Man
I definitely am not as good at the game as I used to be

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You ever play so hard your fingers start bleeding?

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Oops

cosmic forge
gaunt cloud
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so i tried playing nago with crawl on the background

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i should try that again sometime

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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There are options to beat HC steady shot GC

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You can dash block into his face to RPS with him or if you have a good backdash you can backdash shot and then you’re at an advantage I believe

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Neither are easy but it’s not like HC hits you once and you should just unplug, people have already labbed out all the counterplay to steady aim from before they nerfed it

gaunt cloud
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So strive has basically outright removed regional pricings from steam at the start of season 3

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Wtf

gaunt cloud
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Man i love Just Lean

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In a game whose tracks are all about self reflection and talk about the character's viewpoint in life

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Johnny's theme is just "This man never took an L ever"

teal pebble
worthy crystal
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@faint ice midare is so broken I don’t even care about the fuujin nerfs

faint ice
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we do love fish

worthy crystal
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It just lets him blunt force interactions at literally every point of the game

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It’s + enough on block that he can just do whatever afterwards too

brisk void
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This gave me one of those old, cheesy commercial vibes.

haughty zodiac
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ok jesus wtf even is this one

late frost
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smh no wonder Bautista is endorsing this
You get to beat up John Cena

paper notch
wicked quarry
late frost
dreamy mason
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nice costume 2

worthy crystal
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She has so many moves

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She looks cool though

paper notch
lunar depot
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Quick question, any of you guys play SF 3rd Strike on Fightcade?

mellow palm
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Holy shit Nero looks so cool

vapid lake
austere garnet
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Trunks Level 3 will never not be hysterical to me

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though hearing the japanese version was a mild jumpscare lmao

wicked quarry
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Fair

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Why did they make it an advancing command grab

pearl burrow
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people complained about the low grab range so much that ArcSys snapped

winter frigate
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Ayo we got good internet. New season. It's our time 👁️ @faint ice

worthy crystal
winter frigate
nova pagoda
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lukio vs cake, colorized

balmy parrot
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Anji changes make him a real character

worthy crystal
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Anji was a real character before

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He was fine before he’s better now

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Fish makes spin one of the most ignorant and easily blunt forced moves in the game and in exchange anjis RPS on offense isn’t as good

balmy parrot
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it's exaggeration for the sake of portrayal of my elation

wicked quarry
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@rare yacht this seems like a combo youd enjoy

gaunt cloud
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man

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my favorite part of the namek saga was when refrigerator said "さらなる進化を求めて正解だった" and then started goldening all over the place

worthy crystal
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@austere garnet which game was Sean good in

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I do not remember

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It wasn’t new generation was it

nova pagoda
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NG and 2nd strike

worthy crystal
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Thanks kid

winter frigate
austere garnet
paper notch
wicked quarry
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@austere garnet

faint ice
late frost
worthy crystal
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@austere garnet

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Stretch Armstrong finally arrives I’ve been waiting so long

austere garnet
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It’s the weird little man

balmy parrot
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it's him

wicked quarry
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@austere garnet its me

late frost
mellow palm
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I forgot this game existed

teal pebble
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i remember it existed forgot they still "supporting" it

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oh yeah spectre should have released at some point already

vapid lake
wicked quarry
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@austere garnet

brisk void
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LMAO, Megan Fox in MK1. RoseLmaoPluckMyLife

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Her lack of reasoning for wanting to be in MK other than to be in MK is kinda weird, but I've seen Jennifer's body, so Nitara could be a good performance from her. shrug

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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I don’t believe in asuka like that idk

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Simply don’t have the faith

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I also believe in Bridget a lot more than that

balmy parrot
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Sol being top 1 tho

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what do we think of that

worthy crystal
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Idk he might be

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Sol was really underrated last patch

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Until the end when people realized how strong he was

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Roster wide nerfs are bad for him but equally bad for other very strong characters (most notably Ram), and the advantages he gets out of using WA are insane

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Meanwhile his gameplan isn’t exactly susceptible to deflect shield and his f.s got buffed

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Sol finally gets a good reward off of 6s again, can hard knockdown much more consistently and fundamentally didn’t really lose much besides BR2 jumpscare in neutral

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Combined with very large nerfs to some of his worst matchups

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I don’t think at this point that bed is really distinguishably worse than like

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Pot

balmy parrot
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I have no idea who to play this patch

worthy crystal
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That might be my biggest disagreement on the list actually

balmy parrot
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I wanna just laser focus on one character

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it's between Chipp, Bridget, and Giovanna

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note: I haven't played Chipp seriously at all in Strive

faint ice
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all 3 of your options are solid at least and fairly different too

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but if you're a fan of abusing movement it may not be bridget

balmy parrot
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probably Chipp then

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when I played him in accent core vs friends it was the first time I felt free in an FG

winter frigate
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oh bed still considered that low?

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were the buffs just not meaningful at all lol

faint ice
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It is just kizzie's feels after say 2 weeks of the patch

worthy crystal
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I don’t think beds actually bottom 1 and ^

faint ice
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but bedman is a lot better

wicked quarry
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Yeah idk that list doesnt seem right

worthy crystal
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But also he still has some really core issues

wicked quarry
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Test and Gold below Millia is weird

worthy crystal
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I don’t think he’s really strong I just think he’s actually fine now

wicked quarry
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Since Test got massively buffed and Gold has White WA, while Millia seems to have been nerfed relative to the cast?

faint ice
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I knew a message including millia & gold was coming

worthy crystal
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Bed before the buffs was like pseudo not a real character

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Test buffs weren’t really massive

wicked quarry
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Chipp and Brisket also seem the wrong way around

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Johnny ... not sure yet

winter frigate
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i can't tell if the jack-o change to her super (from throw to strike) is a nerf or buff yet

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seems just different

faint ice
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Millia definitely improved

wicked quarry
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Its a buff tbh

faint ice
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The super change was v good

worthy crystal
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And millia benefits massively from WA, has plenty of ways to deal with deflect shield, and also didn’t get her damage reduced that much comparatively to cast

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Her pressure got safer which is huge

wicked quarry
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Where do you use WA on Millia?

worthy crystal
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And everybody doing less damage benefits characters like her and chipp more than your average sol bad guy

winter frigate
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can you wild assault in air?

worthy crystal
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Literally anywhere you want

worthy crystal
wicked quarry
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Thats been the issue I had trying to figure her out, and when I watched top level Millia players they also basically never used WA on anything other than wallbreaks

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Deflect Shield does also stuff some of her disc oki, though not the full oki

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Which isnt a big deal

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But its also one of the few things Deflect Shield is actually good at

worthy crystal
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I’ve been using it to hitconfirm off far pokes, mixup during positive pressure, but mostly for wall breaks

winter frigate
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gaming tmrw? i should be free all day in your time @faint ice

wicked quarry
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Wait how do you hitconfirm with blue WA

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Isnt it too slow?

faint ice
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uhhh, I'll see if im lazy for locals or not

worthy crystal
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F.s 5h combos

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Into WA

winter frigate
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kk

worthy crystal
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Orange combos off level 2 normals and blue combos off level 3

faint ice
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I don't know millia inside or out

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but she definitely has routes that connect now

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that did not connect last patch

worthy crystal
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And again beyond system mechanics millia pressure is a lot safer now

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Which was one of like the super core core issues she had

wicked quarry
worthy crystal
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And she wasn’t exactly bad

wicked quarry
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... wait lemme just test it actually

worthy crystal
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Yes

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I’m 2000% positive

wicked quarry
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Whereas Gold and Test were significantly higher already

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And Test got mad buffed

faint ice
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There was a very low perception of test coming into this patch

wicked quarry
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Really?

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I thought they were generally considered upper mid tier

worthy crystal
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Most people thought test was dogshit

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And again test didn’t really get mad buffs

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5h change is nice 214s/h changes are nice but neither are exactly game changing

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It took me an unreasonable amount of time to even figure out what possession change did

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I thought i was misinputing

wicked quarry
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Ok checked youre right

faint ice
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Didn't 6h get a lot better

wicked quarry
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It does work off of those 2

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But Im not sure what you get from it

worthy crystal
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You can mirazh

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Into c.s

faint ice
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oh maybe I'm thinking of 5H

worthy crystal
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Or just mirazh throw

wicked quarry
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Like fS 5H WA doesnt get you a combo does it

worthy crystal
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The 5h buff is like fine

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It does

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I think I already told you that when the patch dropped even

faint ice
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yeah mb 6h is already the good one you use into succubus super

wicked quarry
worthy crystal
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It depends on the space

wicked quarry
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Well Mirazh cS

worthy crystal
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At the very tip I think you might only be able to mirazh 2k 2d

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If you have run momentum with f.s it definitely works though

wicked quarry
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I can only get it as a blue combo

worthy crystal
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Also I saw testament players say that they shadow nerfed w the grave digger proximity thing

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Something about tick throws

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Idk

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I can’t post the clips in this server bc file size but I have multiple clips of doing wild assault into various conversions

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It definitely works

wicked quarry
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Sideswitches too

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Which is kinda inconvenient

worthy crystal
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It’s a lot better than what you got before

wicked quarry
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Is there a way to not sideswitch?

worthy crystal
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Backthrow after mirazh

wicked quarry
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Also do you have a route that gives you proper disc oki?

worthy crystal
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Lose damage keep corner

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I hate discord it won’t let me send shit

wicked quarry
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Mmh

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Idk, I still think Gold at the very least is rated too low, and I wouldnt put Millia in the same category as Banquet or Ky

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Sin being that high is wild though

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Apparently the buffs this time were really good?

worthy crystal
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Sin buffs are yuge

wicked quarry
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Ram is also weirdly high

worthy crystal
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Kara super not costing stamina is giant, new backdash is giant, all the other buffs are good too

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Ram is still ramlethal idk

wicked quarry
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Didnt she get a shadow nerf too ontop of the nerfs she already got?

worthy crystal
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She still has massive fuckoff buttons and good pressure

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And the new special is really good

faint ice
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Ram is very good because her kit loves wild assault and her new move is great

worthy crystal
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Also yeah wild assault is like made with Ram buttons in mind

wicked quarry
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Hm

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I guess we wont have the tournament results to make any good conclusions for a while so

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I guess maybe she is fine

worthy crystal
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I think most of the stuff on that list is probably pretty true I just really don’t believe in asuka like that

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I think he’s good but inherently like really volatile

wicked quarry
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I mean the test case 3 setup is stupid

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And he is also stupid tanky

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So I can believe it

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Im more unsure on Chipp and Ram

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Chipp mostly because whiffpunishing got a lot easier for everyone

worthy crystal
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Once asuka eats like one hit he loses all his mana and has the lowest life total in the game lol

wicked quarry
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And thats like, the thing he had going for him

wicked quarry
faint ice
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mortobato not doing 90% on its own anymore is nice at least

worthy crystal
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And beyond that asuka loses to getting hit in a much more immediate sense

wicked quarry
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During which you have the highest life total in the game by a lot

worthy crystal
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Is an issue I found

faint ice
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Asuka health is deceptive

wicked quarry
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Like iirc without mana he takes 1.5 times damage, which is higher than the highest chipp has of ... 1.27?

faint ice
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the asuka player is always using HP mana regen unless they have free meter

wicked quarry
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And with mana he takes 0.75 damage, lower than the lowest of 0.96 that Pot has

worthy crystal
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Like I don’t think he sucks

wicked quarry
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0.94 actually for Pot

worthy crystal
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I just don’t think he’s like super ultra strong

wicked quarry
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Also for Millias damage, does haircar only scale when it starts the combo or when its used in the combo?

worthy crystal
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He seems like a super feast or famine character

wicked quarry
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Doesnt that reduce her damage quite a bit then?

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Since iirc the optimal routes all went through haircar

worthy crystal
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The corner to corner c.s route maybe got a notable damage decrease but most of her routes go into hair car towards the end of the combo

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And even otherwise millia going from dealing 220 damage to like 190 is much less of a big deal than like sol going from 300 to 200 if yk what I mean

wicked quarry
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I mean thats generally true except

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I dont think Sol lost any damage this patch did he?

worthy crystal
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BR proration is huge

wicked quarry
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A lot of characters didnt

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Yeah but dont his new routes still do a casual 70% hp?

worthy crystal
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The only new routes sol got use WA

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Which casually scales your combo insanely hard

wicked quarry
#

Also there is something funny of putting Millia and Johnny adjacent in the same tier given how many Millia players have now switched to Johnny

worthy crystal
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Unless they found a new crackhead route using 2k that was previously unthinkable

wicked quarry
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Oh wait looks like Zed is sticking to Millia

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Rat however switched pensivecowboybread

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Which is a real shame, I loved watching Rats millia

worthy crystal
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Rat made people stop downplaying millia and then switched to a different character

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Truly a modern LK

wicked quarry
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Idk if people really were downplaying Millia tbh

worthy crystal
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They certainly were

wicked quarry
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She just genuinely wasnt that good, he was just the best Millia tbh

worthy crystal
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Millia was never in my opinion remotely close to bottom 3 or bottom 5

wicked quarry
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Even then sometimes he just got into matchups where its like "welp, I lose I guess"

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Oh like that

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Eh she hasnt been bottom 5 in ages

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But Id say somewhere between launch and the first patch of launch she was

worthy crystal
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She hasn’t been bottom 5 ever besides maybe actual release patch

wicked quarry
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They buffed so much of her kit

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And it still wasnt enough to make her top tier

worthy crystal
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You should see Faust

wicked quarry
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But yeah Id say from second patch onwards she was usually somewhere in the lower half of midtier

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Fausts in a similar state ye

worthy crystal
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Faust is in a much sadder state

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Imo

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Well was

faint ice
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nah

wicked quarry
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Started a bit worse

faint ice
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Faust is cooking

worthy crystal
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Apparently now move is insane

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Yeah Faust now is

wicked quarry
#

Nah Faust this patch is cracked

faint ice
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Not even going crazy about this patch

worthy crystal
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Only took the most pushed move ever

wicked quarry
#

Id say Faust this patch is somewhere on Axls level tbh

faint ice
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but yeah he was awful launch but they really made him a solid character

wicked quarry
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Maybe higher

worthy crystal
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Cancel item toss into normals why not

wicked quarry
#

Then again Axl is like a weird enigma

worthy crystal
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I think Faust is like a real character now

wicked quarry
#

I still dont know what to think about him

worthy crystal
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But I just didn’t see the vision before

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Everyone said he was like finally good last patch or the one before that I just did not understand

wicked quarry
#

Like Axl is on paper a Zoner but it feels like every Axl I watch is a crackhead who just runs in to combo you

worthy crystal
#

Apologyman made him look broken but apologyman is also insane

wicked quarry
#

And somehow it works???

faint ice
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apologyman did so much work

worthy crystal
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In older games axl was a midrange character as opposed to a zoner

wicked quarry
#

Oh I dont know Sorani

worthy crystal
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In xrd he was basically Leo

wicked quarry
#

Nice to see Eddiction doing well tho

worthy crystal
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  • on block crossup special combined with an 8f DP
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Axl historically has been inclined to play as less of a zoner bc the risk reward of his zoning is generally not super favorable

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Which has only gotten worse as time goes on

wicked quarry
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And yeah now that I checked out some early tournament results

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Millia is actually kinda cooking

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Guess I just cant wrap my head around her new stuff

worthy crystal
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Well I think the most important changes are like

wicked quarry
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Sorani won another one too

worthy crystal
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The insidious ones

wicked quarry
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Gold is also doing really well in early results, as is HC (duh), Sin, Jack'O (?) and Chipp

worthy crystal
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Like H DP nerfs, proration nerfs, weight changes

wicked quarry
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Have yet to see a single Ram top though

faint ice
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Thing is zando's generally been the top ram and he's on Asuka atm

worthy crystal
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Wasn’t zando a zato player at one point

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Am I tripping

wicked quarry
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I mean ye but its not just top of top level players topping since its mostly smaller tournaments

faint ice
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nah ram since launch I believe

worthy crystal
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Solstice switched to gio, zando switched to asuka

wicked quarry
#

But no Ram player is doing well

worthy crystal
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All of the top Ram players switched a few patches ago

wicked quarry
#

GideonTG is like an ok player iirc but he topped twice under the new patch I think?

faint ice
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Yeah I don't know many eu ram

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There's also hiari but idk if they play salty

wicked quarry
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I mean imo

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Ram is just consistently overrated by the western players

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I think Japan has a better assessment of Ram

worthy crystal
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There are like 0 Ram players in jp

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They all dropped her after the j.h nerf which was like day 5

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Lmfaoooo

wicked quarry
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Theres a couple

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But much like here she just doesnt do too well in tournaments

worthy crystal
#

Loaded statement

faint ice
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There's SQ in NA I guess

wicked quarry
#

Another 2 Golds nyaruhodo

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Gold is definitely rated too low, character is kinda cracked rn

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fS nerf hurts but white WA is crazy

faint ice
#

It is just kizzie's pov

worthy crystal
#

Yeah remember

wicked quarry
#

Being able to WA into starting pressure is kinda insane on Gold ngl

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Oh Marvelo is still on Chipp?

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I thought he switched to Asuka

worthy crystal
#

Kizzy plays an extremely midrange dominant character who has pretty high damage

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Which definitely informs his opinions

wicked quarry
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Anyway for now I think Imma stick with Johnny

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I just need to learn how to actually play Johnny

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I might be playing Johnny too aggressive? Im guessing he is supposed to be more midrange

worthy crystal
#

((sol/ram/chipp))

faint ice
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johnny 6k is made for the fearless

worthy crystal
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Anyways I still want to see someone play gio

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People use 6K like it’s still +3

wicked quarry
#

I just keep trying to do TK Mist Finers after doing regular pressure

worthy crystal
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Only do TK finer if you have a card down

#

Otherwise you’re begging for death

#

The thing about Johnnys pressure is that you can choose to safely disengage at basically any time

wicked quarry
#

What do you do for that, Mist Finer backdash?

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(The one that doesnt let it rip)

worthy crystal
#

Yeah you can just do 2144 and then actually releasing MF while you’re dashing can catch mashing

wicked quarry
#

Mmh

worthy crystal
#

I think fastest possible MFC is 22f

wicked quarry
#

Tbh it might just be that Im not used to playing midrange characters

worthy crystal
#

Idr what attack levels his normals are

wicked quarry
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Except Hakumen

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But Hakumen is weird

#

(And fun)

#

I guess Ill just have to learn Johnny

#

Also is Deal unsafe on hit?

#

(Air deal)

worthy crystal
#

Depends on how deep you are

#

It knocks down if you hit with his hand

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Don’t try to use it like pin though

wicked quarry
#

I did not play Millia in Xrd

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Pls bring back Pin

worthy crystal
#

Pin would destroy strive

#

Also didn’t they say they aren’t bringing back legacy moves

#

Besides BTL

wicked quarry
#

Millia top 1 arc lets go

wicked quarry
#

I didnt know that

worthy crystal
#

I thought they said as much

#

Maybe someone lied to me on the internet

#

Inconceivable

wicked quarry
#

Idk

#

I didnt pay that much attention

faint ice
#

idk about that, but all the new moves

#

have been new moves for the character

worthy crystal
#

Zato had the teleport before

#

But the rest yeah

faint ice
#

did zato count as their 6

worthy crystal
#

Yeah

#

Didn’t he

wicked quarry
#

Nope

worthy crystal
#

Who tf am I missing then

wicked quarry
#

Ram, Gio, I-No, May, Faust and Anji

worthy crystal
#

Oh may lol

wicked quarry
#

I hope thats wrong though

#

Because I want Chipps "new" move to be his teleports

worthy crystal
#

Technically may getting the P stop on dolphin is a legacy thing but K is a new move

#

I would literally rather chipp be able to TOD me off 5p than get teleports back

wicked quarry
#

I just want teleports

#

I hate how the game lacks in teleports and fun movement

worthy crystal
#

Well while I wish characters had more movement I do not miss the days of teleport>RC>obliterate

#

Faust does that shit and it’s already annoying now imagine the fastest character in the game doing it

wicked quarry
#

Just make the teleports disable RC nyaruhodo

#

I just want teleports, theyre super fun

worthy crystal
#

Then play xrd nyaruhodo

wicked quarry
#

Johnnys weird air teleport tech is sick for that reason too

wicked quarry
worthy crystal
#

Answer is fine people just downplayed him

wicked quarry
#

I mean I dont think he is unplayable

#

But the fact that he is a bit too hard for me to be anywhere near good

worthy crystal
#

He’s not broken or w/e but like good neutral average damage good conversions

wicked quarry
#

And that he isnt even that good

#

Kind of a dealbreaker

#

Like I like that Strive is simplified in some regards

#

I just wish that didnt come at the cost of kneecapping movement

#

(Thats why Im hype for Project L)

#

(Simplified but with sick schmovement)

faint ice
#

when your schmovement meets my ram size viego normal into a 50% bnb

wicked quarry
#

Project L didnt look that high damage tbh

#

Anyway, guess Ill see how Ill do with Johnny

#

Also I hope they change Deflect Shield to stuff Guard Crush

#

I still dont get why Deflect Shield just loses to guard crush

#

The move is already mid as hell but now its also bad vs one of the few things youd think it would be good against?

#

Id learn Axl but I have no idea how Axl actually works

faint ice
#

he's fairly simple to get started with

#

and you use normals to poke a lot more than the average character

#

rensen good ofc but you can't throw it at someone jumping at you

#

oh they simplified the input for tk bomber last patch I think too

wicked quarry
#

Oh its not a DP input anymore

#

Wack

#

But yeah idk, its like he is a weird zoner who isnt one

#

So Im not sure what his gameplan is

#

Since you cant just spam Cherry Bomb

#

Like you use your good normals to keep the enemy out for a bit, but at some point you go in right?

haughty zodiac
faint ice
#

Yes

#

and also there was a lot of reaction to zato's changes

#

which were harsher than what most character downsides

wicked quarry
#

Tbh Im not convinced that Zato isnt as bad as people are saying

#

I havent seen any Zato tops yet and I also dont know of any Zato mains that havent switched characters

#

Jonathan Tene and Gobou are both all-in on Asuka now

#

Is Latif on Zato still?

#

PepperySplash is on ... Johnny now?

#

No idea on Setchi but Ive heard he is on Asuka as well

faint ice
#

Latif is still on zato yeah

wicked quarry
#

Guess theres one then

#

(I havent paid attention to Latif, I dont like him very much)

worthy crystal
#

And if every zato player drops zato that doesn’t mean zato is as bad as people say either lol

wicked quarry
#

Not neccessarily, but it does suggest the character isnt great

late frost
worthy crystal
#

After sol got nerfed a thousand years ago many sol players dropped him

#

And he was still very good

small furnace
#

guilty gear players are known for being moody with their characters besides the true ride or die players

wicked quarry
#

Besides Latif Im not sure any of the big-name Zato players are still playing him

worthy crystal
#

LK dropped millia in season 2 and he was like the millia player ever

wicked quarry
#

Wonder if he will switch back now

faint ice
#

idt there was that many sols about

#

especially before mocchi gave everyone the wake up call

#

(obv he'll always be huge playrate online etc)

paper notch
wicked quarry
#

@austere garnet You know you can just ping her for Shermie, she wont mind

dreamy mason
teal pebble
#

man clearly posted that with the clear intent to confuse the whole world

lunar depot
#

Why so many C-tiers?

late frost
#

Is this a Modern controls tier list

gaunt cloud
#

Nah

#

Honda is too low to be that

faint ice
#

This is bait or something random like music

pearl burrow
#

If it's music then I'm throwing hands

balmy parrot
#

yeah they should all be in D tier

pearl burrow
dreamy mason
pearl burrow
#

I'm disappointed in both of you

late frost
#

inb4 it's just based on recent tournament results

worthy crystal
dreamy mason
worthy crystal
#

Well I haven’t been paying so much attention to sf6 in the past month

#

But I do know gief just won a cpt

#

Ken is like the most everything character in the game

#

Idk anything else though

faint ice
#

no matter what, idom wouldn't put JP in B

worthy crystal
#

Yeah I’m sure it’s a troll list

#

But like from what perspective

late frost
austere garnet
#

An official video on this is kinda neat ngl

wicked quarry
#

Made a Strive honesty tier list for fun

#

Couple characters should probably be moved up or down a tier

#

Gold is probably just in "A true Rapscallion" and Nago in "Pathologic liar"

#

Johnny could be in "honest" but TK Mist Finer exists

wicked quarry
#

@austere garnet

velvet wren
#

Oh cool Lidia!

austere garnet
#

Hornetttttt

austere garnet
#

Only two more days HYPEROMEGUFACE

faint ice
#

Has the final roster been announced

austere garnet
#

Yeah

#

Some people are coping there’s a hidden 24th character but at this point it’s extremely unlikely

#

This is the roster

#

In my opinion the best base roster of an nrs game because I really really hate spec ops

late frost
#

No Sonya is kinda wild

austere garnet
#

She’s right there in the kameo section clueless

gaunt cloud
#

pre order bonus

#

Cringe

austere garnet
#

Also from him gameplay he does look very op

#

But ig the good thing is too master shang you really gotta learn every character in the game

sharp imp
austere garnet
#

They’re great at putting the coolest characters goro in X shao kahn in 11 and now Shang in 1

worthy crystal
#

Was she really that good in 11 that they took her out of the playable roster lmfao

austere garnet
#

I’m a big Sonya hater this is perfect 🙏

austere garnet
#

Yes as dlc

worthy crystal
#

I kind of miss shinnok though ngl

austere garnet
#

Why?

worthy crystal
#

He was cool

austere garnet
#

Him losing to Cassie cage in story mode kinda ruined him

sharp imp
worthy crystal
#

Shinnok wasn’t kool

#

That’s reserved for very sick characters

#

Just cool

austere garnet
#

The finale one before release

#

Less than 24 hours too mk1 HYPEROMEGUFACE

worthy crystal
#

idk if there are any other hard knockdowns that do that

paper notch
wicked quarry
#

But I thought air deal is always a soft knockdown

worthy crystal
#

The physical hit HKDs

#

The card is a soft down

worthy crystal
wicked quarry
#

I see

#

Dont think so?

#

Potemkins Garuda is a hkd Im pretty sure

worthy crystal
#

Gamma is soft

#

Garuda is HKD actually

#

Frog is a soft knockdown (imagine if it wasn’t)

brisk void
#

Really excited for the MK1 Story mode. Prayge

austere garnet
#

Me too

brisk void
#

Omfg, wtf was that MK1 ||ending LOL? It completely devolved into utter insanity with all those variants, and yet I was glued to the screen to see what crazy combinations they came up with.||

wicked quarry
#

... ah fuck Granblue Fantasy Versus announced a new character that is making me consider playing the next game >.>

faint ice
#

adopt some neutral in your life

wicked quarry
#

He has Answers gimmick >.>

paper notch
worthy crystal
#

This was so funny

worthy crystal
#

Johnny feels kind of comically broken in MK1

#

Though it is day -2 or something lmfao

#

But his frame data is just unbelievable

#

Reminds me of injustice 1 Superman

cosmic forge
#

Trying to get back into Smash

#

I have never felt absolute fear like playing against a Mii Brawler of Akuma with the tag “MvC2Player”

#

Like

#

That’s terrifying

haughty zodiac
#

how about a sonic main playing at 300+ ping

cosmic forge
#

Nah

hexed forum
teal pebble
#

Raz is a Belmont main true and tried

cosmic forge
#

I’m not a Belmont main

#

I’m a Simon main

balmy parrot
#

Alucard should've gotten in as DLC

#

I would've made Ultimate my entire personality

lunar depot
#

I used to main Mega Man in SSBU, back during my Megafan phase.

#

But I was complete and utter trash, so I’ll try an easier character next time I get to play.

vapid lake
wicked quarry
#

@austere garnet

austere garnet
#

Lmao

late frost
wicked quarry
#

@austere garnet

austere garnet
#

That fucking LoD Ryu murdered me

mellow palm
#

Watched some MK1 videos

#

and uhhhhh

#

wow

#

Megan Fox cannot voice act to save her life

#

i feel bad for all the nitara players out there

worthy crystal
#

MK players hate airdash characters

#

She’s hype as fuck though

nova pagoda
faint ice
#

actually sat down for a listen, it is bad

#

did she even want to do it

austere garnet
#

Damn, stunt casting went bad? Wild.

faint ice
#

I'm actually surprised at how bad

mellow palm
#

Yeah it’s like

#

Borderline ear grating

nova pagoda
#

Tbf this is how I learned that ronda did voice work in mk11 but thankfully she did it on the most boring character in the game so it worked out

paper notch
balmy parrot
#

UDNER THE SACRED BRIARS

#

NEVER STOP JUST GO

mellow palm
#

Relatively speaking

balmy parrot
#

ragna and hakumen for me

#

but I haven't been playing long

cosmic forge
#

I guess the funny cat lady but I hate Blazblue

wicked quarry
#

So is no one going to mention the meme here

nova pagoda
#

lol

wicked quarry
#

Fair enough

#

Anyway, to play Hibiki, as a character ... Arakune, Hakumen or Amane probably

#

With Terumi and Hazama also up there

nova pagoda
#

izayoi, hazuma

wicked quarry
#

I have no idea what that means

cosmic forge
#

Dan Hibiki

wicked quarry
#

Oh, duh

#

I only ever think of him as Dan tbf

wicked quarry
#

Some new info on the next UNI game

#

Has rollback

#

3 new characters, including Kuon

#

Finishes the current story arc

worthy crystal
worthy crystal
wicked quarry
#

I see we've all been traumatised by the ribcage

#

(Also I assume Taokaka)

#

(Idk if Id call Kokonoe "funny")

#

The trailer btw

worthy crystal
#

Her wrench has the :3 face

#

And she’s a whatever that Japanese word is

#

Trashy woman

balmy parrot
#

kokonoe is EXTREMELY funny

wicked quarry
#

I mean I do like her bit in the glasses of eros thing but

#

When I think funny I think more Taokaka

worthy crystal
#

She’d be a pretty cool character if she wasn’t such a hatecrime

wicked quarry
#

Its BlazBlue

#

What character isnt a hatecrime?

balmy parrot
#

ragna

worthy crystal
#

(The one that I play) is extremely fair and balanced

#

And (the one that I lose to) is toxic and degenerate

#

But also koko is like one of the most obnoxious annoying stupid hateful asinine characters in CF

balmy parrot
#

ragna and I wanna say jin are really honest in comparison

worthy crystal
#

due to some late in lifespan developments

#

Maybe you can say randy is honest but jimothy has some actual stupid shit

cosmic forge
#

I also just don’t care for Blazblue so Taokaka is at least like

#

mildly entertaining

worthy crystal
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Insane robbery factor with OD 2757391 different reversals and he can combo off of some of them 19f overhead

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... ok am I stupid, or did some character in uni have a big delayed red circle attack that wasnt Carmine?

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I love BlazBlue >:[

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Wagner?

cosmic forge
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A lot of people in Blazblue bore the fuck out of me

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Not in terms of playstyle

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Hers isn’t really delayed

balmy parrot
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dude I haven't played under night

worthy crystal
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Are you tjinking of melty blood

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Akiha

balmy parrot
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but wagner makes me wanna play

wicked quarry
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I think its UNI

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Its uh

worthy crystal
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Wagner makes me want to quit

wicked quarry
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Its what Kuon does in the trailer

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At ... let me see

cosmic forge
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Oh speaking of fighting games

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Trying to get back into SamSho

worthy crystal
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Is it just the CS animation

cosmic forge
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I forgot how much I suck at this game

wicked quarry
cosmic forge
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I have zero patience

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Here

balmy parrot
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I think that's a new one

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Hyde fireball?

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Like I swear Ive seen a move like that before

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Like exactly like that

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But I cant think of what it is

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Except Carmines being sorta similar

cosmic forge
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Is UNI any fun

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That is

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The akiha ring

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Literally

balmy parrot